
When a woman attempts to connect with old neighborhood friends on Facebook, she has no idea it will dredge up a shocking, long buried truth. Keith Morrison reports.
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I tell people it's the miracle of Facebook. All I did was put one sentence. Just one sentence. It's not often that you get to be a hero. I got halfway through this and just went, oh my God.
Lester Holt
The murder happened in seconds. One was coming straight for me and Jim with a gun leveled at us. I've never ran so fast in my life. The truth took decades. I said, you know what? Give me a lie detector test.
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Believed it for one minute.
Lester Holt
Never. Did someone have it all wrong? Were innocent men in prison for a murder they didn't commit? A 22 year mystery until Facebook helped old friends find each other and justice.
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Could you ever imagine you would actually cause such a thing?
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Not in a million years.
Lester Holt
Together, they uncovered an almost unbelievable truth.
Interviewee/Witness
It all made sense. None of us knew what happened that night. This all made sense.
Lester Holt
Somebody seen it. Somebody knew. All right, now they just had to get someone to believe them.
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Oh, my God, we're losing. Oh, my God, we're winning. Oh, my God, we're losing.
Lester Holt
We'll face whatever has to come.
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This was it.
Lester Holt
This was it for sure. I'm Lester Holt and this is Dateline. Here's Keith Morrison with graduation night.
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In the suburbs outside Detroit, Michigan. In the summer of 2009. A divorced mother of three named Mary Evans was poking around in one of her favorite places. Facebook.
Interviewee/Witness
You can look up what everyone's up to. Where are they at today? Are they successful? Did they take the wrong path?
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Dear Mary, no idea that a little innocent poking into her own past would dredge up a shocking truth long buried.
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Oh, I was stunned. It was unbelievable.
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And a nightmare's worth of terrors.
Lester Holt
I could have been killed that day.
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And would bring Together, an unlikely band of friends, old and new, in a fight to right a terrible wrong.
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And then a miracle happened.
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But no. In 2009, it was just an ordinary summer day. No sign of Providence anywhere. Just Mary reminiscing about the old days and friends long since gone away. And, well, you know how it is, a person wonders. Not such an uncommon thing among people who grew up, as Mary did in Northeast Detroit.
Interviewee/Witness
When I moved in, it was actually a nice neighborhood. You could walk around the streets singing at one o' clock in the morning in the summer and never had to worry about anything. Yeah, and then it changed. Oh, it definitely changed. Yeah, it started going really downhill.
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But that particular summer day, Mary was in a mood to remember the good times, good friends. And on Facebook, there was something called the Northeast Detroit alumni group. So what did you do in this group on Facebook?
Interviewee/Witness
What that was all about is being in touch with long lost friends, people from the neighborhood, including a couple of.
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Brothers, old friends from the neighborhood, who she remembered with a twinge, did not turn out so well. Tommy and Ray Hiers went to prison, in fact, for murder. Mary followed the case way back then in 1987, remembers just how she felt when they were found guilty.
Interviewee/Witness
I was shocked, you know, I was shocked to hear that. I thought, no way.
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Didn't sound like them, do you?
Interviewee/Witness
No.
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Anyway, there she was, thinking about them again, fondly. So she wrote a line about missing them whenever she hears a certain song on the radio. And then she sighed and pushed the send button and look out. People have trouble believing that such a simple thing as posting on Facebook could make whole worlds change.
Interviewee/Witness
A lot of people ask, well, what was it? What did you do? What happened? I says, all I did was put one sentence. Yeah, just one sentence.
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So she did. And 500 miles away in the suburbs of Washington, D.C. what were you doing on Facebook?
Lester Holt
Just wasting time, like a lot of people do.
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Kevin Zeleniewski grew up in Detroit too, but was now an international trade attorney in D.C. he and Mary didn't know each other, weren't even Facebook friends, for that matter, but both belonged to that Northeast Detroit group, which is why that very same summer day in 2009, he just happened to see Mary's post about those boys in prison for murder.
Lester Holt
That said something to the fact that.
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Tommy and Raymond Hiers are in prison for life. Every time I hear Miss you by.
Lester Holt
The Stones, I think of those guys.
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Did you know those two guys? No, I didn't know them. Which by all rights, should have been the end of it. But something in that post tripped a wire deep in the crater of Kevin's memory. That name, Hires. He'd heard it before, he was sure of it. In connection with the murder case way back in the late 80s. And that memory lit up another one, clear as day. The indelible memory of a bizarre story a college roommate told him one night in 93 or so. He could hardly believe it then, but now, when he saw Mary's post. No, couldn't be. Were those old stories somehow connected? Maybe Mary could tell him.
Lester Holt
I sent back to her they wouldn't.
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Happen to be in prison for killing old man Bob.
Lester Holt
And she got back and said, yes, they are in prison for killing old man Bob.
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Old man Bob was Robert Carey. Well known fence, loan shark, drug dealer, murdered at the back door of his east Detroit home in the summer of 1987. Kevin was already on the computer that day in 2009. So he pulled up the Michigan Department of Corrections website, saw pictures of Tommy and Ray Hires, confirmed they were in prison doing life without parole for the murder of old man Bob. It was then it hit him like a brick in the face. Something about those pictures was very, very wrong. Only one thing to do. Kevin picked up the phone and called that old college roommate, a man he hadn't seen for at least a decade. This man, John Helcher, he said it.
Lester Holt
Was about old man Bob. And I just started freaking out like, I'm not doing it. I'm not doing any of this.
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How come?
Lester Holt
I'm scared. Felt scared.
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But if he was scared now. Oh, just wait. Mary's little post and the connections it pulled up in Kevin's brain had just made Jon Helser part of a team he wasn't sure he wanted to belong to. And the next move was his.
Lester Holt
As a band of friends sets out on a journey to find justice, they first need to find out what really happened the night old man Bob was murdered.
Interviewee/Witness
Everybody assumes that the people running down the driveway shot him.
Lester Holt
I said, you know what? Give me a lie detector test.
Interviewee/Witness
I got halfway through this and just went, oh, my God.
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Something serendipitous was in the wind in Detroit. As summer turned to fall in 2009, the woman's simple Facebook post about old friends now in prison for life was read by a Detroit native turned D.C. lawyer who got curious, looked up their pictures and couldn't sleep, really at the beginning, just thinking about it and wondering what you should do.
Lester Holt
Yeah, Wondering what to do about it.
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What he did was call his old college roommate, John Helcher. The man who, way back in 1993, told him a story about the murder of old man Bob. Tell me why you called John Helsher. To see if he remembered telling me the story.
Lester Holt
He told me back all those years about the night that old man Bob was killed.
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And he did remember.
Lester Holt
He did. He remembered it exactly on the phone as he did when he first told me the story.
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The story that John Helcher had been there when old man Bob was killed, had seen things and never talked to police. And now, once Kevin looked at the pictures of the Hiers brothers, he understood, clear as day that John's story could expose a terrible injustice. If it was ever revealed, that is. So Kevin stewed about it for a bit, talked to his wife, and took her advice. We had no hesitation that, you know, we should do something with this. You know, you're a lawyer. You know what to do with it.
Lester Holt
And just go ahead and do it. You know, it's the right thing to do.
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So he boarded a plane for Detroit on his own dimension, and John faced down his fears. And both met with the lawyer who represented those imprisoned brothers.
Lester Holt
We met at a restaurant in Grosse Pointe, and we talked to the lawyer, and he didn't seem like he believed me too much. And I said, you know what? Give me a lie detector test. I'll take the test, and then we'll go from there. If you don't believe me, let's do this right now.
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Okay?
Lester Holt
So a couple weeks later, we ended up taking a lie detector test. It was one of the toughest things I've had to do when you're strapped up.
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That's weird, isn't it?
Lester Holt
Oh, I was just sweating buckets.
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The polygrapher detected John Helcher was being truthful. He passed with flying colors. And then nothing. Neither Kevin nor John heard anything more from that lawyer.
Lester Holt
I just thought it got dropped, you know, kind of, you know, wishing, oh, good, it's not going to come back. That's it.
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And that would have been the end of it, most likely, had it not been for her. Over on the other side of Detroit, Though John and Kevin couldn't possibly have known it was a private investigator who, truth be told, had just about given up on the case of the Hires brothers.
Interviewee/Witness
We weren't getting anywhere.
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Private eye Julianne Cuneo had agreed to work the case for a fraction of her usual fee. When the Hiers family begged her to find evidence of the boy's innocence, she tended to agree with them. But in her long search, she had been unable to find anyone or any fact that could challenge the story about Old Man Bob's murder that was told at the trial, which was this.
Interviewee/Witness
Bob was home, and it was a Friday night. He's getting a lot of phone calls. There's a guy sitting in the kitchen weighing out bags of weed. People are calling and saying, hey, I'm going to be over. Here's what I'm going to want. Mostly people come to the back door.
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An eyewitness to it all was sitting in his car out on the street. We built this animation to illustrate what he later told the police.
Interviewee/Witness
About 9:30, an omni, or Horizon light in color, pulled up out front of his house. And two guys got out and walked up the driveway to the back door. And he hears shots fired. And shortly thereafter, he sees some guys hoofing down the driveway. They get back in the Omni Horizon and drive off.
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So this guy, the witness says, must have been them, right?
Interviewee/Witness
Everybody assumes that the people running down the driveway shot him. Yes.
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The dealer known as Old Man Bob was dead of a single gunshot wound to the chest. Detectives looked high and low for that getaway car. No luck. So the cops canvassed the usual suspects. And bingo. A jailhouse informant named a possible shooter. Neighborhood kid named Tommy Hires. And what do you know? Tommy knew Old Man Bob. Owed him money, used drugs, Even told friends he was going to visit Bob that night. They prepared a lineup. But when they showed the pictures to that eyewitness, he didn't pick out Tommy. He pointed to Tommy's brother. Ray told police he was positive, 100% sure Ray was one of the young men running down the driveway and hopping in the car after the murder. So both brothers were arrested and tried and convicted. And sitting in the courtroom, the aunt who had loved them all their lives was devastated.
Interviewee/Witness
I can't even imagine why they got life without parole, Even without parole.
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This is at Jan Hurth.
Interviewee/Witness
It was very hopeless. It was very hopeless.
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Did you believe that they would have done?
Interviewee/Witness
Never. I never believed it for one minute.
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The family stuck by Tommy and Ray as the men watched their 20s and then their 30s come and go in state prison. And now here they were in their mid-40s, still telling anybody and everybody, including us, that they did not kill Old Man Bob.
Lester Holt
I just walked with the faith. And I was just like, this is not the end.
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The brothers had turned down any and all plea deals, determined instead to clear their names. They joined every prison program, took every class they could to improve themselves.
Lester Holt
We schooled ourselves. We always took any kind of Programs they had to offer both of you? Yeah, absolutely. Worked every day and just held our heads up.
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But to prove their innocence, they needed some solid new evidence. And by 2009, after 22 years, even their family had about given up on that. Had you actually gotten to the stage where you thought, well, they're just. They'll be there for the rest of their lives. Nothing we can do about it?
Interviewee/Witness
I did. To be honest, I did.
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And so too did the private eye. Julianne Cuneo stopped working the case, or tried to, but Tommy kept on calling.
Interviewee/Witness
I'd be like, you can't keep calling me. Then one day I picked up the phone and it was Tommy again. And I just didn't have anything to do. I said, fine, fine. This was purely to get Tommy off my back. I thought I was gonna do a couple things and I'd be done again. Yeah, yeah, I can get Tommy out of my life.
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So she picked up the phone, called Tommy's lawyer, who sent her a copy of the affidavit. The sworn story told by guess who? That old college roommate of Kevin's, John Helcher, the one who claimed he was there at old man Bob's when the murder took place. And when the private eye read that.
Interviewee/Witness
I got halfway through this thing and just went, holy. Like, oh, my God.
Lester Holt
Coming up, a close encounter with killers. I'm dead. That's the first thing that came to my head. He's going to shoot me. But are they the same men serving.
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Life in prison for murder?
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I tell people it's the miracle of.
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I tell people it's the miracle of Facebook. You know, Without Facebook, it wouldn't have happened.
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Detroit private eye Julianne Cuneo had been baffled for years about the mystery surrounding the murder of Old man Bob. The murder that put Tommy and Ray Hiers in prison for life. And then out of the blue, late 2010, just because some woman had a moment of nostalgia and posted a casual note on Facebook, an affidavit landed on Julianne's desk from a man she'd never heard of, John Helcher.
Interviewee/Witness
It had to be real. It had to be true.
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It's like a piece of heaven falling down and landing in your lap. Yeah. John told Julianne what happened that awful night in the Detroit summer of 1987. It was party night, he said. John and his classmates had just graduated from Grosse Pointe North High School back to the suburb where the captains of industry lived several miles in tax brackets across the city line from Detroit. And after a few beers, the partiers decided to drive over and buy some marijuana from old Man Bob.
Lester Holt
You just call up, say you're coming by, go to the back door there. And that's what we were gonna so.
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John and four friends hopped in a car, which was, by the way, a white Plymouth Horizon, and drove over to make the buy. When they got there, they walked up the driveway to Bob's back door, just as that eyewitness later told the police. Except for one detail, and it was a big one. The eyewitness identified the Hires brothers as the young men he saw on the driveway. But, said John Helser, it was. It wasn't them. It was him. He and one of his Grosse Pointe buddies went up that driveway.
Lester Holt
We made it to the back door, and as soon as we knocked on the door and he opened It. I heard commotion behind me. And we saw people jump over the fence coming towards us. And one with a gun leveled at us. And we saw all the other people running towards Bob, especially a guy with a shotgun. I just remembered, I'm dead. That's the first thing that came to my, you know, my head. He's going to shoot me. I froze. We froze, and all he said was, get the bleep out of here. And we turned so fast and ran back to the car. I've never ran so fast in my life. As we were running back, they had heard the gunshot. I said, get the hell out of here. And he screeched the cars and got out of there as quick as we could.
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And after the five returned to the.
Lester Holt
Graduation party, I was still freaking out. We all were. And people were wondering, what's the matter with you? What happened? And then someone told them what happened. And part of the people, oh, I don't believe you.
Narrator/Reporter
They didn't believe us, but you were freaking out. Oh, yeah.
Lester Holt
I could have been killed that day.
Narrator/Reporter
Came close, came close.
Lester Holt
I had a gun pointed right to my face.
Narrator/Reporter
Then when he went home, said John, he watched the news, read the paper, looked for news of the shooting, but didn't see anything. Never did find out what happened to old man Bob, you know, I didn't.
Lester Holt
Hear nothing of it. I didn't know if. I never saw him actually die.
Narrator/Reporter
Yeah.
Lester Holt
So I didn't really know.
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So he said he just tried to forget it. He joined the army, served in the Persian Gulf, moved on with his life, and never told a soul apart from his girlfriend. And then one night in 1993, six years after the incident, he told Kevin Zelandowski. And it was one night, telling detail in John's story that Kevin never forgot. Those people who jumped over the fence, they weren't white kids. They were black. You had no idea that two men went to prison for this?
Lester Holt
No, not till Kevin called me in 2009.
Narrator/Reporter
Did you even know?
Lester Holt
The hire's brother had no clue who they were. Never seen them in my life.
Narrator/Reporter
Total strangers.
Lester Holt
Total strangers. And I said, this isn't right, because it was. It involved, you know, a different race. It was not two white people.
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That piece of information, more than 20 years after the murder, was what Tommy and Ray and their family had about lost hope they would ever find.
Lester Holt
When I finally got the whole story, it was like, damn, somebody seen it. Somebody knew.
Narrator/Reporter
This all made sense. It was just a matter of mistaken identity. Absolutely.
Interviewee/Witness
It just proves everything we've said and believed in for the last 25 years.
Narrator/Reporter
John's story, which would have disappeared forever had it not been for Mary's Facebook post and Kevin's steel trap Memory now gave Aunt Jan and all those who loved and believed in Tommy and Ray new determination. The family brought in a whole new legal team with one goal. Nail down the evidence, get the brothers out of prison. Attorneys Jan Knapp and Valerie Newman.
Interviewee/Witness
I thought this case should have never been charged. A mistake happened. A mistake happened, and it ended up with two men spending potentially the rest of their lives in prison.
Narrator/Reporter
Now, if only the team could find the other people who were in the car with John that night, and if they all told the same story, well, maybe then they'd have something.
Lester Holt
Coming up. After more than two decades, the moment of truth.
Interviewee/Witness
Were you scared?
Lester Holt
I'm still scared. But will it make a difference? It was pins and needles. I mean, it was our life.
Narrator/Reporter
This was it.
Lester Holt
This was it for sure.
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Private eye Julianne Cuneo and the others who joined her efforts for the Hiers brothers believed the newly discovered witness, John Helcher, was telling the truth. Now, if they could only find those four high school friends Helscher claimed were with him. We were with them the night when he and they took a trip to buy marijuana from a neighborhood drug dealer known as Old Man BOB Back in 1987, a trip that ended in gunfire. First bad news. Julianne described discovered the driver of the car died. But his family confirmed he drove a white Plymouth Horizon, the same type of car an eyewitness had seen fleeing the scene. And that was important to be able to make that connection.
Interviewee/Witness
Right, because the linchpin of all this is that these guys were in a white Omni. Omni or Horizon. They're the same car, basically.
Narrator/Reporter
And then one by one, they did find them. The kid, now 40 somethings who've been in the car and heard the very same things John Helser told them. This man, John Korber, was riding in the front passenger seat, and he confirmed the story.
Interviewee/Witness
You can just see it dawn on his face that two guys have been sitting in jail for nearly 25 years.
Narrator/Reporter
The woman, who was a high school senior, was dating one of the men in the car, confirmed she saw it, too. Though getting her to talk was no easy. But none was more reluctant than that young man who'd walked up the drive to the back door with John Helscher and then fled down again in terror when a shot was fired. Why wouldn't he talk about it?
Interviewee/Witness
Pretty much all of our witnesses grew up in Fairly wealthy, well to do families. And it seemed to be an embarrassment that they had gone into East Detroit to buy marijuana.
Narrator/Reporter
For months, he'd only communicate through his sister, an attorney. He refused to tell the investigators what he knew, seemed to go to great lengths to avoid their calls.
Interviewee/Witness
He wanted no part of it, which I still really can't understand because it's, you know, it's not often that you get to be a hero.
Narrator/Reporter
Finally, what could the lawyers do? They subpoenaed him.
Interviewee/Witness
It had to be done. We had two innocent men in prison. There was no choice.
Narrator/Reporter
And finally, they all wound up right here. Detroit's Frank Murphy hall of Justice Spring 2012. The lawyers appointed to represent the long imprisoned brothers Tommy and Ray Hiers had hoped to avoid this. They'd allowed themselves to think The Wayne County DA's office might see the new evidence about the night old man Bob was killed, see that a mistake was made and rectify it.
Interviewee/Witness
But we had a prosecutor's office that was very uncooperative in the face of overwhelming evidence of innocence.
Narrator/Reporter
Did that surprise you?
Interviewee/Witness
No. It's an amazing ability to blind yourself to everything except what you want to look at. All rise.
Narrator/Reporter
Of course, that was a defense attorney's point of view. And so here they were in court to fight it out. Just getting this hearing took a year of their efforts. And persuading all those witnesses to testify about a moment in time so long ago was no less difficult knowing that Tommy and Ray's family became a sort of cheering section at court.
Interviewee/Witness
We filled up the room and we wanted to show everybody that we were there to back them up. And we just wanted to be there.
Narrator/Reporter
For them all crowded the courtroom of Judge Lawrence Tallon, who would decide if the new evidence merited a new trial.
Lester Holt
All right, want to proven out.
Narrator/Reporter
Finally, Tommy and Ray Hires filed into court. The brothers, who from day one insisted they were innocent, whose family never stopped believing in them, looking like just what they were. Survivors of a quarter century in prison.
Lester Holt
It was pins and needles. I mean, it was our life. Because if he didn't believe what he was hearing, we were going right back to the state and there was never no more religion.
Narrator/Reporter
Yeah, this was it.
Lester Holt
This was it for sure.
Interviewee/Witness
Good morning, you, Honor. Valerie Newman, State of Public Defender Office. When I got to the hearing, it was all out warfare.
Lester Holt
All right, you may call your first witness.
Narrator/Reporter
The defense began laying out the strange tale from the start with Mary Evans and her 2009 Facebook post.
Interviewee/Witness
Ms. Evans, why have you come forward in this case? You know, on the streets. I always heard that Hires didn't do it.
Narrator/Reporter
Next, the D.C. lawyer who just happened to answer that post of Mary's.
Interviewee/Witness
Would you please state your name for the record?
Narrator/Reporter
Kevin Zeleniewski on the stand. Kevin retold the story that John, the old roommate told him way back in 1993. He made a comment to the effect that while you wouldn't believe what happened that night, and so said Kevin, he felt a duty to step in.
Interviewee/Witness
And why are you here? Today?
Narrator/Reporter
Two innocent people are imprisoned for life. I learned information that could help set them free. Free.
Lester Holt
And I felt compelled to bring that information forward.
Narrator/Reporter
And then one by one, the witnesses, the now 40 somethings who told the court about that night outside old man Bob's house where they'd gone to buy marijuana for their graduation party and that it was their friends, not the Hiers brothers, who came running down the driveway.
Interviewee/Witness
And how did they look when they got in the the car?
Lester Holt
Terrified.
Interviewee/Witness
Why are you coming forward?
Lester Holt
Two minutes is too long in prison, let alone 20 some years.
Narrator/Reporter
Even the reluctant witness, the one they had to subpoena to get to court, confirmed all of it. As did the man who threw the graduation party that night.
Interviewee/Witness
He was very forthcoming and said, sure, I remember that day. They pulled up, they were a wreck and they told me what happened. And you just don't forget something like that.
Narrator/Reporter
And finally, the man whose comments to his roommate nearly two decades earlier kept the old story alive.
Interviewee/Witness
Defense Paul's John Hilscher, what was it.
Narrator/Reporter
Like, the process of testifying at this hearing?
Lester Holt
You know, I've been to combat, I've jumped out of planes and that was the toughest thing I had to do.
Narrator/Reporter
John Hilscher, who was horrified he never found out that old man Bob was murdered, told the story he'd never before publicly discussed, complete with what he heard and saw. After walking up to old man Bob's.
Lester Holt
Back door, I heard commotion coming from the alley behind Bob's house. I saw four African American males hopping over the chain link fence from the alley and they were running towards the house.
Interviewee/Witness
Okay, then what happened next?
Lester Holt
I saw a larger African American male with what appeared to be a shotgun. And then I saw another African American male with a handgun and told us to get the out of there.
Interviewee/Witness
And what did you do then?
Lester Holt
Proceeded to turn around and run as fast as I could.
Interviewee/Witness
Did you hear anything?
Lester Holt
As I was turning to run, I did hear a gunshot.
Interviewee/Witness
Were you scared?
Lester Holt
I'm still scared.
Interviewee/Witness
Have you ever been afraid like that?
Lester Holt
After that, when I was in combat.
Interviewee/Witness
Are you telling the truth?
Lester Holt
Yes, ma'. Am.
Interviewee/Witness
And why are you here?
Lester Holt
Because there's two innocent people that did not commit this crime.
Narrator/Reporter
But then it was Ana Quiro's turn. The Wayne county assistant prosecutor made it perfectly clear she didn't believe all those new witnesses coming forward to tell the story or what they said in their sworn statements, which she picked apart word by word.
Lester Holt
No, ma', am, that's not correct.
Interviewee/Witness
Oh, it's not correct. So your affidavit is wrong.
Narrator/Reporter
The assistant prosecutor went methodically through the testimony of each witness and suggested, sometimes gently, sometimes not, that they were all lying. Had concocted the whole story to help free Tommy and Ray Hires.
Interviewee/Witness
Aren't they friends with you on Facebook?
Lester Holt
My understanding is that.
Interviewee/Witness
No, no. Listen to my question. Aren't they friends with you on Facebook? Yes or no?
Lester Holt
Well, I would say no.
Narrator/Reporter
But, said Tommy and Ray's attorneys, it was the assistant prosecutor who concocted a story.
Interviewee/Witness
The prosecution had nothing to contradict our theory, just absolutely nothing. And so when you have nothing, you concoct something. And so what they concocted was a grand conspiracy theory.
Narrator/Reporter
Did that surprise you?
Interviewee/Witness
It did. To have people who are unconnected to the defendants to come together in this huge conspiracy to cook something up. Doesn't make sense.
Narrator/Reporter
But in the end, it was up to the judge to decide if the new evidence was cooked up as the prosecutor claimed, or compelling enough to give the Hiers brothers their first shot at freedom in 25 years.
Interviewee/Witness
Coming up, I'm thinking, oh, my God, we're losing. Oh, my God, we're winning. Oh my God, we're losing.
Lester Holt
The judge rules. Will the Hires brothers get a second chance? We'll fight. And we'll face whatever has to come. When Dateline continues.
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My name is Andrew Goldman. No story I've encountered in my 30 years as a journalist has gripped me by the throat quite like the murder of Martha Moxley and conviction of Michael Skakel. I thought I understood the case. It was a decades long story about the powerful and the privileged seemingly getting away with murder. But I discovered a much darker, more shocking tale than I ever could have guessed. They put a sign around my neck.
Lester Holt
That said, hi, my name is Michael Skakel, and I'm a murderer.
Narrator/Reporter
He's been talked about a lot, but he's never spoken.
Lester Holt
Up until now. It was like the worst nightmare ever.
Narrator/Reporter
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Get your podcasts and start listening. By the summer of 2012. Tommy and Ray Hiers have been fighting to clear their names for 25 years. And now Judge Lawrence Talon had heard all the new evidence. This was the moment. This is the court's decision on the.
Lester Holt
Defendant'S motion for relief from judgment.
Narrator/Reporter
But with all the history, the legalese, the new evidence, the witnesses, the prosecution.
Lester Holt
Was meticulous in pointing out inconsistencies and.
Narrator/Reporter
Differences between testimony and, yeah, it took the judge two full hours to explain the basis for his decision, the reasons he said he had no choice but to rule a particular way. Oh, my nerves were, like, shaken. As Tommy and Ray, their courtroom full of family and friends and attorneys agonized. Some felt almost ill. Just sitting through.
Interviewee/Witness
The ruling almost killed me. I'm thinking, oh, my God, we're losing. Oh, my God, we're losing. Oh, my God, we're winning. Oh, my God, we're losing.
Narrator/Reporter
Until the judge finally said the words.
Lester Holt
This evidence meets all the requirements for this court to grant the requested relief by the defendant. All right.
Interviewee/Witness
A weight just fell off my shoulders.
Narrator/Reporter
It was just.
Interviewee/Witness
Finally.
Narrator/Reporter
Thank you.
Interviewee/Witness
Thank you.
Lester Holt
And everybody was hugging, and it was just a joyous scene.
Narrator/Reporter
You would think, looking at this, that Tommy and Ray Hiers had just been declared innocent of the murder of old man Barr. But that is not what happened. Not even two weeks later, when the judge decided to release the brothers on bond to await trial. And Tommy and Raymond Hires walked out of jail for the first time in more than 25 years. Welcome home, guys. Well, it certainly felt like victory. Looked like victory.
Interviewee/Witness
It was like someone had hit a grand slam at the ballpark.
Lester Holt
Sweetie.
Interviewee/Witness
Oh, my God.
Lester Holt
Oh, man. Hell, yeah. Here's my wonderful attorney. I'm telling you now. I'm telling you. Hey, hey.
Narrator/Reporter
She is the mom. But Tommy and Ray Hiers were Merely men on bail awaiting trial for murder. A trial the prosecution gave every indication it was especially determined to win and thus send these two men right back where they came from. State prison. What's it like to be sitting here talking about what's happened to you?
Lester Holt
You can't even put it into words. The feeling that go through you.
Narrator/Reporter
Which gave us a chance to talk to them as they prepared for their biggest fight yet. For exoneration and they hoped, permanent freedom.
Lester Holt
We'll fight and we'll face whatever has to come.
Narrator/Reporter
And here they told us their version of what happened the night old man Bob was killed.
Lester Holt
We got involved in things we shouldn't have been involved in. Drugs. That was the main thing.
Narrator/Reporter
At that night, June 26, 1987, the brothers did indeed go over to Bob's house, they said, saw the police were there and assumed.
Lester Holt
You know, we figured he was being raided. That's exactly what we thought, that he was being raided. Never even stopped. There was so much police out there that we just kept going. And never occurred to us that he was murdered. Right.
Narrator/Reporter
A week later, they were under arrest.
Lester Holt
Walked in there and never walked out.
Narrator/Reporter
They were 21 and 22 when they went in. But now they said they are not the same men as they were then and that that is a good thing.
Lester Holt
I'm not ashamed of being in prison because prison made them. That's who I am today. Prison made this man my morals, my integrity.
Narrator/Reporter
I mean, in a way, a positive experience. And yet one you wouldn't wish on your worst enemy.
Lester Holt
Right, Right. Exactly. You still hold on to the light and, you know, you just push forward every day.
Interviewee/Witness
What's on the agenda today, guys?
Narrator/Reporter
After their release, they moved in with their Aunt Jan and wore electronic tethers to monitor their whereabouts. Mandated by the court, they were like Rip Van Winkles awakened to the real world. Learning to use cell phones, getting their driver's licenses.
Lester Holt
Been waiting to get that all my life. First one I've ever had.
Narrator/Reporter
And getting up in the morning and going to work. Ray at an industrial heating and cooling company. Tommy, head of maintenance at an apartment complex. And at the very same time, the Wayne county prosecutor's office was preparing its case against them to put them back into prison for life. Preparing it. As we sat here talking, though, as the brothers told us here, the DA has put an offer on the table. They can keep their friends freedom if they agree to one condition. What plea are they offering?
Lester Holt
Right. For us just to plead guilty and we'd get time served.
Narrator/Reporter
Would you?
Lester Holt
No, no, we stood on our innocence, and we screamed it to the top of our lungs for 25 years. And then for the people that got behind us and believed in us, for us to do that would just be like a slap in their face. And then it would just tear my integrity right out of my body. So we're innocent, and nothing's gonna change that.
Narrator/Reporter
There will be people in the audience who will still believe you did it.
Lester Holt
Sure, people. I mean, you know, you can't convince everybody.
Narrator/Reporter
You're kind of used to that now.
Lester Holt
Sure. But all we want to do is convince 12.
Narrator/Reporter
Those 12 would be the jurors sitting in judgment at their upcoming retrial for murder. Tommy and Ray Hiers were going back to court to see if free men they would remain.
Lester Holt
Coming up, a courtroom game of chicken.
Narrator/Reporter
Who blinked first?
Interviewee/Witness
It was really disingenuous.
Narrator/Reporter
Disingenuous is such a polite word. What does it really mean?
Interviewee/Witness
It means they were saving face.
Narrator/Reporter
The hall of justice was waiting again for Tommy and Ray Hires, the very place they were sent away in the first place.
Lester Holt
I hate going into the courtroom. I hate going to the courthouse. I hate parking in the parking lot to get to the courthouse. You know what I mean? It's like I just. But it's something that we gotta deal with, and it's gonna be head on.
Narrator/Reporter
As we talked two weeks before the scheduled start of their trial, the Wayne County Prosecutor's office was forging ahead, once again charging the brothers with the murder of Robert Carey. Old man Bob, how nervous are you about this?
Lester Holt
You know, of course you're going to be nervous. I mean, your lives are in other people's hands still.
Narrator/Reporter
For the past several months, Tommy and Ray's defense attorneys had been attending pretrial hearings, sending motions back and forth as lawyers do, all the while hoping the DA would come to see it their way and simply drop the charges.
Interviewee/Witness
I was confident that it was a game of chicken because they had no evidence.
Narrator/Reporter
But with each legal step in the march toward trial, they were disappointed. The da, it seemed perfectly clear, was very serious. All rise. Then, just a few days after our interview with the brothers, September 2013, everyone assembled in the courtroom. Assistant prosecutor Reynolds had something to say. Your Honor, at this time, based on consultation with prosecutor Worthy, based on communications with the decedent's family, based on a recognition of what 26 years can do to the triability of a case, we would move to dismiss the case against the defendants at this point in time. And that was it. Case dismissed. No new trial.
Interviewee/Witness
It's not Often you get to give somebody their lives of action, and that's what we did. We gave them their lives back. It was incredible. It was incredible.
Narrator/Reporter
But before they all left the courtroom, the prosecutor pointedly reserved the right to refile murder charges if new evidence ever surfaces. Are you gonna allow this to hang.
Interviewee/Witness
Over your head for the rest of your life?
Lester Holt
Absolutely not. I mean, you know, in the last year, we haven't allowed it to hang over our heads. You know, we moved on. You know, we've moved on in life, and we're going to continue to do that.
Narrator/Reporter
But Wayne county prosecutor Kim Worthy, who declined dateline's request for an interview, took a parting shot at the brothers, issued a statement saying, just as we did 26 years ago, we firmly believe in the evidence in this case. We have worked diligently to bring this case to trial. With the passage of time, it is an unfortunate reality that this case cannot be put back together, and we must dismiss it. Sadly, in this case, justice was not done. End quote. Really? How are you doing? Said the people who freed Tommy and Ray.
Interviewee/Witness
It was really disingenuous. It was not right.
Narrator/Reporter
Disingenuous is such a polite word. What does it really mean?
Interviewee/Witness
It means they were saving face. It puts a stain on them that they don't deserve. They already have the stain of 25 years in prison for a crime they didn't commit. And then you have the prosecutor's office saying, yeah, right. Kind of like, we still think they're guilty.
Narrator/Reporter
In 2016, Michigan lawmakers passed the Wrongful Imprisonment Compensation act, calling for the state to Pay exonerated prisoners $50,000 for every year spent behind bars. The Heyer brothers sued the state for just over $1.2 million each. And in October 2019, the Michigan Attorney General's office settled the suit, agreeing to pay the full amount. Of course, in the days immediately following their release, nothing could compare to the chance to celebrate with the people who helped make it happen. Like Mary, whose Facebook post started everything. Could you ever imagine you would actually cause such a thing?
Interviewee/Witness
No. No, not in a million years. It's hard to get my head around it, you know, it's just an awesome feeling.
Lester Holt
Sure.
Narrator/Reporter
Kevin, who still shies away from taking credit. I happen to be a lawyer.
Lester Holt
It doesn't really seem that extraordinary to me.
Narrator/Reporter
And John Helcher, who can finally put the past where it belongs behind him.
Lester Holt
Like I told him, I said, I just wish I could have done something earlier. You wouldn't have had to sit there for so many years. And Tommy looked at me, gave me a hug, and he says it's the way it was supposed to happen. It had to happen like this.
Narrator/Reporter
Yeah. They don't seem bitter at all.
Lester Holt
Not when I met them. Just glad they're home and they're out and they're free.
Narrator/Reporter
Free men who know none of it would have happened without family and friends, that dream team of lawyers and investigators and, of course, Facebook. What would you like to say to those people who helped you along the way?
Lester Holt
Thank you from the bottom of my heart for believing, understanding, and taking the time that most people don't do. It's like, you know, a dream come true for us because it's what we always been hoping for, somebody to help us. That's why we just want to live and move forward. We know it's gone. It's the past, move on. Better days.
Narrator/Reporter
So they've profoundly wished. But even life regained from injustice is not always fair. In November 2021, Tommy Hires died of a heart attack. His brother Ray tried to go on, but could not face life without Tommy. And in April 2024, he took his own.
Lester Holt
That's all for now. I'm Lester Holt.
Narrator/Reporter
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“Graduation Night” follows the astonishing true story of Tommy and Ray Hiers, two Detroit brothers convicted in 1987 for the murder of a local drug dealer, “Old Man Bob.” For over twenty years, they steadfastly maintained their innocence as they lived life sentences in prison. Their case took a dramatic turn in 2009 when a simple Facebook post reconnected former acquaintances, sparking a chain of revelations that would uncover new evidence, challenge the accepted narrative, and ultimately lead to the brothers’ exoneration. The episode explores issues of wrongful conviction, the power of persistence, and the unexpected role of social media in the pursuit of justice.
Victim: Robert “Old Man Bob” Carey — notorious fence, loan shark, drug dealer.
Incident: Shot and killed outside his Detroit home.
Investigation: Heavily reliant on a single eyewitness and a jailhouse informant. The eyewitness wrongly identified Ray Hiers as one of the men fleeing the scene.
Conviction: Both Tommy and Ray Hiers (local kids with minor records) were convicted and sentenced to life without parole.
Family’s Response: The family never doubted their innocence.
“I can’t even imagine why they got life without parole... Even without parole. It was very hopeless.” — Jan Hurth, Aunt [13:29]
Brothers’ Years Inside: The Hiers brothers rejected all plea deals, instead focusing on rehabilitation programs in prison and maintaining their innocence.
Private Investigator: Julianne Cuneo was brought in by the family but struggled for years to find any new evidence.
“To prove their innocence, they needed some solid new evidence. And by 2009, even their family had about given up.” — Narrator [14:27]
Mary’s Nostalgic Post: Mary Evans, reminiscing about her Detroit childhood, posts fondly in a Facebook alumni group about the Hiers brothers—unaware it will be seen by someone key to the story.
“All I did was put one sentence. Just one sentence.” — Mary Evans [05:06]
Kevin’s Memory Triggered: Kevin Zeleniewski, Detroit native in DC, sees the post, recalls his college roommate John Helcher’s wild old story about the murder night, and senses a forgotten connection.
“Something in that post tripped a wire deep in the crater of Kevin’s memory... that name, Hiers.” — Narrator [05:58]
Chain Reaction: Kevin contacts Mary, then John, who is reluctant but ultimately pivotal.
John’s Confession: Back in 1987, John Helcher and friends—recent graduates from a nearby suburb—visited Old Man Bob to buy marijuana, arriving in a white Plymouth Horizon (matching the getaway car description).
Eyewitness Mistake: The eyewitness had seen John and his friend, not the Hiers brothers, on the driveway the night of the murder.
The Real Attack: As John knocked, several men (not white, as the Hiers were) jumped the fence with guns, ordered them to flee, and murdered Old Man Bob as John and friends ran away.
“I had a gun pointed right to my face... I could have been killed that day.” — John Helcher [19:44, 20:45]
Aftermath: John left town, joined the Army, told only his girlfriend, and briefly mentioned the story to Kevin in 1993, not knowing two men were convicted.
Verification: Kevin and John take a lie detector test at lawyer’s request (both pass), but their information is initially ignored.
New Legal and Investigative Team: The family hires new attorneys Jan Knapp and Valerie Newman, and investigator Julianne Cuneo gets John’s affidavit.
“I got halfway through this thing and just went, holy—like, oh my God.” — PI Julianne Cuneo [15:31]
Tracking Down Witnesses: Despite embarrassment and reluctance, three of the four friends from that night eventually corroborate John’s story.
Evidentiary Hearing (2012):
“We filled up the room and we wanted to show everybody that we were there...” — Tommy & Ray’s family [26:57]
“It was pins and needles. I mean, it was our life.” — Ray Hiers [27:30]
Judge’s Ruling: After two tense hours, the judge grants relief, overturning the convictions.
“A weight just fell off my shoulders.” — Tommy’s Aunt [35:51]
Release: Brothers are granted bail; for the first time in 25 years, they are free.
“It was like someone hit a grand slam at the ballpark.” — Family member [36:39]
“We’ve just been waiting for this all our lives.” — Ray Hiers [38:59]
DA’s Reluctance: Despite the evidence, prosecutors move forward, planning a retrial but ultimately drop charges, citing “the passage of time” and inability to retry the case.
“The Wayne County Prosecutor’s office was forging ahead, once again charging the brothers... your lives are in other people’s hands still.” — Narrator, Ray Hiers [41:27]
“At this time... we would move to dismiss the case against the defendants at this point in time... Case dismissed. No new trial.” — Assistant Prosecutor Reynolds [41:46, 42:35]
Prosecutor’s Statement: Still claims to believe in the original evidence, insists “justice was not done.”
Adjustment to Freedom: Brothers rebuild their lives, support each other, and refuse to plead guilty “just to be free.”
“No, no, we stood on our innocence and we screamed it to the top of our lungs for 25 years.” — Ray Hiers [39:38]
“All we want to do is convince 12.” — Ray Hiers (referring to jurors) [40:12]
Wrongful Imprisonment Compensation: Michigan passes a law, the brothers are awarded $1.2 million each as compensation for their wrongful imprisonment.
Tragedy: Tommy dies of a heart attack in 2021, Ray takes his own life in 2024.
“Even life regained from injustice is not always fair.” — Narrator [46:12]
On the miracle of social media:
“I tell people it’s the miracle of Facebook. All I did was put one sentence.” — Mary Evans [05:06, 17:59]
Eyewitness testimony and mistaken identity:
“It involved, you know, a different race. It was not two white people.” — John Helcher [21:47]
On the judge's decision:
“This evidence meets all the requirements for this court to grant the requested relief by the defendant.” — Judge Lawrence Talon [35:39]
Defense attorneys’ view of prosecution:
“An amazing ability to blind yourself to everything except what you want to look at.” — Attorney [26:27]
Ray describing exoneration:
“You can’t even put it into words, the feeling that goes through you.” — Ray Hiers [37:18]
On freedom and moving forward:
“Thank you from the bottom of my heart for believing, understanding, and taking the time... That’s why we just want to live and move forward. Better days.” — Ray Hiers [45:52]
The episode combines Dateline’s signature blend of empathetic narration, tension-building interviews, and evocative personal stories. Keith Morrison’s and Lester Holt’s voices lend an understated gravitas, with moments of heartbreak, suspense, and even subtle hope, all delivered in a style that’s both journalistic and deeply human.
“Graduation Night” is a testament to the power of perseverance and the unexpected ways truth can emerge. What started as a chance Facebook post reopened a 22-year-old murder conviction, pieced together scattered memories, and brought together a coalition of regular citizens dedicated to justice. Despite tragedy in its aftermath, the story of the Hiers brothers stands as a sobering example of injustice — and the miracles, both small and large, that can change everything.