Lester Holt (3:10)

So I was also struck by what Lauren has gone through in terms of the lasting impact, obviously of losing her mother, ultimately losing her, her, her dad. But she has some real, I think, justified fears now as a result of all this.

Blaine Alexander (3:25)

Yeah, I mean, I think a couple of things we talked about in the episode about showers. Right. Like how that was a difficult thing for her. Her mother was found dead upstairs in the shower. And so her best friend Lisa said that she would feel fearful. Every time she needed to get in the shower, she would call Lisa, Lisa would come over, basically sit with her in the bathroom. I mean, imagine that type of fear for a good majority of your life. The other piece of it is again, that this was an unknown. So there's always the question of who did this and why, and if they were angry enough or whatever it was enough to kill my mother, might they come after me?

Lester Holt (4:04)

Yeah, but people, members of the family, certainly the police, all suspected in this case, the husband did it. Yeah, not the case here, but the whole family seemed to pay a price because that suspicion went on for a very long time.

Blaine Alexander (4:18)

It went on past Sandy Prey's death. I mean, he went to his grave with people in the family still suspecting that he could have been the person who killed his wife. He went to his grave not knowing who the real killer was and still feeling like, you know, there were all these people and all these eyes on him. So that's something that Lauren really spoke to when we, when we sat down and talked about. Um, and it's clear that that's a pain that she still carries. You know, one of the things that I've been struck with Lester when I do these stories is when there are stories that, where kids are caught in the middle, whether it's, you know, a spouse did kill the other spouse and they are faced with the loss of two parents in a way, or if there's suspicion over one of the parents and they kind of have to deal with that. And that's what Lauren dealt with. But also members of the family. I mean, Leslie's parents wondered, hey, is our son in law a killer? There was just a lot of turmoil that this caused in the family.

Lester Holt (5:10)

Yeah. When Lauren finally confronted her dad and asked him point blank, did you kill my mom? And he said no. That was a very powerful segment.

Blaine Alexander (5:20)

Can you imagine that? I mean, it's one of those things where Warren admitted she was like, because the detectives in her telling, because the detectives were kind of so sure that it was her dad, she started to have that thought in her mind too. Now, she was pretty clear with me. She never really believed that it was him. She really, you know, in her heart. But she did allow doubt to creep into the point that she sat down and asked her dad and he said, I'm only going to answer this once. No, it was not me. And she said, from that moment on, I dropped it, believed him. That was it.

Lester Holt (5:56)

Yeah. And I was struck by, man, what if you're the parent and your child asks you a question like that? It's just so, there's. This is whole thing is sad in so many ways. How worried was she when the police kind of hit, you know, that, that point where, look, this is what we got. And boy, it sure looks like, looks like the dad in this case.

Blaine Alexander (6:15)

It's hard because she, you know, she was so sure that it wasn't ultimately, you know, once she believed her dad, she was frustrated because she said, listen, I know it's not him. Perhaps you all are not working the case as well as you should because you are focused on him. And so that did lead to some frustration for her too, over the years.

Lester Holt (6:34)

I'm wondering if he did himself favors, the way he handled the police pressure. Obviously they got him in the interrogation room and, you know, and laid out their case and said, facts don't lie in this case. Looks like they got the wrong facts.

Blaine Alexander (6:47)

Well, watching this, and I'm sure that some of our viewers could agree there were some seemingly unforced errors there by Sandy. Right. And you never know how someone is going to react when they're in a traumatic situation like that, when they're told that their loved one has been killed, when they have to answer questions on police. But it seemed like almost every single thing that he could have done wrong, he was almost checking all of those boxes. Right. The reaction that he gave when he was told that Leslie had been killed just the Acting strange at the scene, according to a couple of people's tellings, going to a dump the night before her body was found. Right. Like just all of these kind of things that would lead investigators to say, well, that's, that's kind of suspicious.

Lester Holt (7:32)

We, of course, reported polygraphs are not admissible. Not always reliable. But once again, the polygraph kind of started pointing toward the husband.

Blaine Alexander (7:43)

When you volunteer to take a lie detector test and then you fail it, that just doesn't look good.

Lester Holt (7:49)

Well, right when he's, when he said, I'm going to do it, I'm like, well, that's a, that's a stand up thing. That's, that's what innocent people do. Yeah, yeah, test me.

Blaine Alexander (7:57)

Exactly. That's what you think too. And then you fail the test. It's like, oh, no, that, that's what not innocent people do. Right. So, yeah, but we know that there are so many different factors that go into a polygraph. Let's say that you take it, but obviously you're, you're nervous, you're upset, your wife was just brutally killed. Who knows what's going to happen to impact the results. And to your point, that's why, again, these are not foolproof, they're not admissible. But again, it just never looks good when you, when you fail one of them.

Lester Holt (8:23)

And I know police don't want to jump to conclusions, but as you point out, this, this one had a lot of arrows that seemed to be pointing in one direction. The, the use of science, of course, rule. The day they had a lot of evidence in terms of the blood patterns and what they found in the shower and the upstairs, it seemed at one point that that was going to really solve the question of who killed her.

Blaine Alexander (8:48)

That, and once the DNA came, once they said, okay, we've got DNA. And I'm sure a lot of our, you know, our consistent viewers will know when you hear DNA, it's like, okay, great. What does that mean? Yes, exactly. Case closed, let's find this person. But when it's not, when it doesn't match anyone, then you're left with this question of, okay, we've got something in our hand that would theoretically solve this case, but we just don't know who to connect it to. For investigators, that's always a very frustrating thing in the first place. But I will say in this case, and I asked Detective Tara Augustin this, I said, did the fact that there was DNA that didn't match Sandy Prey, did that keep him out of jail? And she said, absolutely, like he would have very likely been arrested had it not been for the fact that his DNA didn't match. So, yes, the DNA was there and in many ways, that saved Sandy.

Lester Holt (9:35)

All right, we'll take a break. When we come back, we have an extra clip of Leslie's brother Bill speaking at Glegor sentencing. We'll be right back.

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Lester Holt (11:17)

Do you think that this case would have been solved if not for Lauren's persistence? I mean, she was on the police on a regular basis.

Blaine Alexander (11:26)

I think that it was certainly her persistence, but I also think that it was the, you know, we always kind of say in DATELINE it takes fresh eyes to crack a case. Fresh eyes on this case. This case passed through the hands of eight detectives ultimately before it was solved. And I think that it was these two new detectives who not only went through the cold case files, saw this, but also spoke to Lauren and kind of heard her voice and heard the things that she'd been going through over the years that really kind of, you know, lit this fire in them to solve it as well. I want to talk about the detectives themselves, Detectives Augustine and Dupuy they were. We could have done a whole lot more on them because, yes, they were a dynamic duo. These are two ladies. They're both mothers, working moms, as we said in the piece. They both happen to love Taylor Swift, literally have this. Who doesn't? But they have a little banner in their kind of cold case area. Cold case office. It's down in the basement of the Montgomery County Police Department. I went down there, and it's nothing but just rows and rows of boxes and files and a few desks. And then they have this little Taylor Swift kind of banner hanging up there in the midst of all of these files. So they are very, very big swifties. But they really had this fire in their belly of, we are going to solve this case.

Lester Holt (12:38)

And we talked a little bit about the science of this thing, but the DNA is obviously very important.

Blaine Alexander (12:42)

It led them down this. This path to ultimately this new technology that allowed the investigators to kind of process this DNA evidence in a way that they weren't able to do back in 2001 or back, you know, in the years immediately following the case. And that's what ultimately led them to be able to find Eugene.

Lester Holt (12:58)

It was a really fascinating. I wanted actually more on this issue of genealogy. We've heard about it, you know, on occasionally in stories, but it's fascinating. Not only DNA would link to a specific person, this would link to a family group and march police down a certain direction.

Blaine Alexander (13:16)

When we talk about that genealogy, it's fascinating. Yes. But it's really tedious work, and it's not a given that they get to use it. We could have given so much more in this episode on it, but we didn't want to sound all like science wonks here, but it's this thing of going through and bit by bit, looking at names that match, family groups that match from all of this information that's available. I mean, it really is this kind of painstaking work that they embarked upon.

Lester Holt (13:40)

Yeah. And then when they. When they find they think the match. The description of that moment was really. I think it was very cool.

Blaine Alexander (13:49)

It was. It was. So I. I was in the. The, you know, I was in their cold case office, so I was able to see, you know, her desk is kind of in the back of this room. And I can't emphasize enough, this is a basement. So imagine being back there pouring over this information for days, days, days on end. And then finally she shouts out, I got it. I got it. You know, you kind of feel that electricity of like, ooh, is there something.

Lester Holt (14:15)

It'S the movie moment.

Blaine Alexander (14:16)

It's the movie moment. That's exactly it. That's exactly it. And sure enough, she had it.

Lester Holt (14:20)

So what do we know about Eugene Glegor? What's his story?

Blaine Alexander (14:25)

So one thing that we've learned from him in speaking with Lauren, speaking with Lisa, speaking with other friends of theirs, is that I think the biggest chilling thing is that he was able to proceed and kind of live this life for more than two decades as though nothing had happened. Married, divorced, traveled a lot. I mean, he was. You know, it was an airport return that. That ultimately got him. Lauren had come face to face with him several times, and at one point, he even, you know, comforted her. And that always seems to just be so chilling to me that not only can you commit this crime, but then proceed to live your life as though nothing had happened and even come face to face with the people that you hurt so badly.

Lester Holt (15:09)

Yeah. And it really justified Lauren's sense of, you know, looking over her shoulder, literally and figuratively, with that same knowledge that this person is. Is likely somewhere in my. In my circle. That's frightening.

Blaine Alexander (15:22)

And can you imagine ultimately finding out who that is and realizing, this was a person that was in my house. This is a person that I saw. It kind of. It messes with your, you know, internal barometer of. Of how do I trust people?

Lester Holt (15:36)

The knowledge that the killer was someone she knew, that's a. That's a pretty heavy burden to carry around.

Blaine Alexander (15:42)

Not only knew, but had spent time in the house, would go on vacations with them. I mean, their house. When you think back to kind of like your high school years, most friend groups have a house where all the friends would go, whether you had a pool there or the parents were really cool and we'll let you hang out and didn't mind the noise, whatever. Their house was kind of like that cool house that was the hangout house. And so Eugene was, of course, part of their friend group, was part of that group. So he was always at the house. He would be there hanging out. So he was familiar in the sense that Leslie was always very welcoming with, you know, talked to the kids when they were there. So when you think about all of that, all of the kind of motherly love that. That Leslie poured into any kid who was in her house back in the day, including Eugene, then that just kind of heightens the sense of betrayal here that. That Lauren certainly feels.

Lester Holt (16:35)

The question that hovers over the whole thing is, why? Why did she die?

Blaine Alexander (16:39)

So prosecutors theory of this was that Eugene had A drug habit back then and was trying to rob the house to get money to feed his drug habit was surprised by the fact that Leslie was there in the house when he went there and turned on her. They kept the back door unlocked. That's something that he would have known. They believe that's what he used to come in, go out, use the path to get away. And so they believe that he was possibly thinking, hey, I can go in, grab some things. Leslie was there. And then it just unfortunately went downhill from there.

Lester Holt (17:11)

Okay, so the suspect in this case, of course, confesses. So there's no trial, but there is a sentenc in court and that always provides, I think, some really telling moments. In any case, we've got some sound here that did not make this episode. It's the family. It's the brother in this case of. Of Leslie addressing the court on the issue of sentencing.

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Here it is, as we found sentencing. Moles killed. Do you hear the word culture? The word told you leave a Mexico attempts to give some relief to Leslie's family plans. But for those of us who love lesson a person who never had an enemy, never met a stranger, closure is impossible. Our pain linger for the rest of our lives. There was no closure proceeding for less than a year out of the lentons rated 2017. Nor was the closure for my parents who went to their graves never knowing that the son of murderer or possible accused. May 2, 2001. Sandy Brewer was sentenced to life without his loving wife and his best friend. May 2, 2001. Wilhelm Gritter was sentenced to life without her mother and girl's friend. A sentence of pain and sorrow she will carry as long as she lives. May 2, 2001. Less than seven brothers and sisters descended to life without discreet, unloving and caring sister. The horror of this murder should be reflected in the sentence.

Lester Holt (18:56)

He makes a good point, Blaine. How is the family supposed to find closure in a case like this, especially one that's dragged out over years and has implicated, you know, many people at points along the way?

Blaine Alexander (19:06)

I always think that closure is one of those words, Lester, that it's often difficult to apply because what does closure really mean? And I think that. Yes. Do they know who killed Leslie? Yes. Has he been sentenced? Has he admitted to his crime and fessed up to it? Yes. But that almost opens up a whole new set of questions and feelings. I can speak only from having sat down with Lauren for an extended period of time. Twice that closure, maybe in the sense of what we think about it, that that's not gonna exist here. I think that a piece of the nightmare for her is over in that she's able to, you know, have that question not hang over her head. Certainly a big relief that she can now say with certainty that her father didn't do it and have the world know it too. But finding any sort of closure or relief, that's gonna be hard. A hard fighting effort.

Lester Holt (20:00)

After the break, we're going to hear from some of you via social media, some of your burning questions about this episode and the way we do business around here.

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Lester Holt (21:45)

As always, our stories generate a lot of discussion on social media. We've got some questions in there. You want to take a few?

Blaine Alexander (21:51)

Yes, please. I'd love to.

Lester Holt (21:53)

All right. Our first question comes from Pam on Facebook. Who asks why didn't the police follow up with the daughter's list of people like the ex boyfriends?

Blaine Alexander (22:03)

Pam, thank you for watching. And that's a great question. That's something that Lauren wanted to know as well. I mean, you know in her telling, she certainly believes that there was a lot of focus because there was so much focus on her dad, on Sandy, that police kind of just leaned in on that and didn't really go back over some of the other folks. I mean, we mentioned in the story that at the time she mentioned Eugene Glegor's name, he was living out of state. There were a couple of other people that she mentioned that were out of state. It would have taken time, it would have taken resources, it would have taken a lot of things to travel and see them. And investigators really were strapped for resources at different times in this as well, because we talked about some of the other high profile cases that kept popping up, Chandra Levy certainly being one of them. And so put all those factors together, plus the fact that they were looking so closely at Sandy, a lot of those things just slipped through the cracks.

Lester Holt (22:51)

Okay, we have another question. This is from Winston at Peewee Winston, who asks. I've seen several stories on Dateline where the boss goes to the house when the employee doesn't show up for work. Interesting, because this was. This is how this started. The boss, you know, wants to check on. On Leslie as to, you know, her whereabouts because she's apparently chronically late. And that, you know, obviously led to where we. We ended up.

Blaine Alexander (23:15)

I, you know, it's so interesting because this was a. And thank you, Winston, for your question. This was a point of discussion when we were kind of reviewing the story and putting it together. I don't know, Lester. I mean, I think. I think our bosses love us. I'm not sure if someone would show up at our house physically if we did not show up to work. I just. I don't know. So. But I could see on the other side, people saying, no, that's completely normal. I'm gonna go to my employee's house and check. I'm curious what you thought, though. Did that feel surprising?

Lester Holt (23:41)

Well, I mean, I was trying. I was trying to think what kind of an office, you know, what kind of job is it, you know, is it a small group of people? But I was hung up on that for a little bit. Like, that's a little suspicious.

Blaine Alexander (23:51)

That's a lot.

Lester Holt (23:51)

Yeah, it's a lot. But that's why I'm not a police officer. Linda DeForest on Facebook asks, the police seem to go by first reactions of family members way too much. Not everyone has the same reaction. Sometimes they're in shock. And that. And that's a good question regarding the father, the husband in this case, you know, Some might argue, well, he didn't act like someone who's innocent. But then, of course, he consented. As we mentioned, he consented to the lie detector test.

Blaine Alexander (24:23)

Who knows how someone is going to react in that type of situation, Right. You might expect someone to fall over crying. You might expect. You just don't know. And so I completely agree with that. And you've seen people give what you would think could be a spot on reaction of a grieving family member or a grieving, you know, spouse, and they're the ones who did it. So you really can't, you can't tell.

Lester Holt (24:44)

And Glegor shed a few crocodile tears.

Blaine Alexander (24:48)

That was one of the, that was one of the memorable moments of this episode. The crying. The crying. And then finally the detective was like, you're not, there's, there's nothing coming out of your eyes. And he says, well, I'm, I'm dry, I'm parched. So, yeah, certainly a telling moment there.

Lester Holt (25:01)

Okay. Hey, this is fun. We've got a couple of questions from our audiences at the Dateline Live event in Nashville last month.

Blaine Alexander (25:07)

Oh, fun.

Lester Holt (25:08)

This is from Simone, who asked, how long does it take to put a show together? It depends. We know that we had one already this season that was at least two years in the making. Because the nature of a lot of these stories, there's trials, there's retrials, there are delays, and, you know, we need to know at some point how this story ends.

Blaine Alexander (25:30)

Exactly.

Lester Holt (25:31)

That's a big part of what we do. Another audience member named Richie Rich asked, has there ever been a time where any of you were certain that you knew who did it but were totally wrong in the end?

Blaine Alexander (25:44)

Richie Rich, number one. That's very cute. You raised your hand, Lester. Yes.

Lester Holt (25:48)

Yeah, I think, you know, when we see these stories in advance, sometimes I try to, before we do these, I try to watch them in isolation as a viewer and try to, you know, record my, my impressions of them. But yeah, I mean, listen, life doesn't, doesn't follow a smooth track in real life, so why should it in these cases?

Blaine Alexander (26:07)

Absolutely, absolutely. I love that you watch it as a viewer, though. Like, don't even read into it. You just kind of hit the link and just start watching cold.

Lester Holt (26:15)

It's a fun way to watch. I try to do that. Much of my career actually is watched much stuff in real time. Well, Blaine, absolutely fascinating story. Thanks for bringing it to us.

Blaine Alexander (26:27)

Of course. Thank you so much for having me, Lester.

Lester Holt (26:29)

All right, well, that is going to do it for talking dateline this week. Remember, if you have any questions about stories on Dateline, we'd love to hear from you. You can reach us 24. 7 on social media@datelinenbc. And if you have a question for talking DATELINE specifically, leave it on a voicemail at 212-413-5252. Or send us a video on socials for a chance to be featured on an upcoming episode. We're gonna see you Friday on dateline. Until then. So long, everybody. Thanks for watching.

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