Talking Dateline: Deadly Detour

Summary

Talking Dateline: Deadly Detour

Podcast: Dateline NBC
Hosts: Blaine Alexander, Josh Mankiewicz
Date: March 25, 2026

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Episode Overview

This episode of “Talking Dateline” dives into the case of Tex McIver, an Atlanta attorney who shot and killed his wife, Diane, under highly suspicious circumstances. Host Blaine Alexander joins Dateline correspondent Josh Mankiewicz to analyze the episode “Deadly Detour,” exploring the investigation, the high-profile trial, and the impact on everyone involved, particularly eyewitness Danny Jo Carter. The episode also features insights from jurors, discussions about Atlanta’s complicated traffic, and listener questions probing the twists and uncertainties of the case.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Case Summary: What Happened To Diane McIver

[01:42] – [04:24]

• Tex McIver, a well-known attorney, and his wife Diane, a prominent businesswoman, were returning from their ranch with friend Danny Jo Carter driving.
• Tex claimed he thought they were entering a Black Lives Matter protest and took out his gun, allegedly for protection.
• As they drove, Tex, seated in the back, apparently dozed off, and the gun discharged, striking Diane. Her last words:
  • “Tex, I think you shot me.” — Josh Mankiewicz recounting Diane ([03:18])
• Despite closer hospitals, they drove Diane to Emory Hospital; she later died.
• The central question: was it a tragic accident or something more sinister?

2. The Case’s High Profile in Atlanta

[04:24] – [05:46]

• Blaine recalls the intense local and media attention:
  • Diane’s photo was displayed on the iconic Corey Towers, visible to all Atlanta commuters.
• How Dateline picked up the story, often through tips from local newsrooms for cases with national intrigue.

3. The Ranch and Location’s Role

[05:46] – [06:42]

• Blaine shares her personal connection—her property was near the McIver ranch.
• Both discuss the ranch’s isolation and proximity to a shooting range:
  • Josh: “If you're going to commit a crime, if you want to get rid of your spouse and claim it was an accidental shooting, that's the place to do it. You're not going to have any witnesses.” ([06:27])
• Yet, the case unfolded on a city route, not at the ranch.

4. Danny Jo Carter: The Eyewitness

[06:42] – [10:20]

• Unique to this case is Danny Jo, an eyewitness present in the vehicle as events unfolded.
• Josh praises her candor and lack of self-preservation:
  • “She was completely forthright... She was sort of as much Diane’s friend or maybe more so than Tex.” ([07:27])
  • “If you're gonna kill your wife, you are not gonna do it in front of somebody who is not you, who you don’t know is going to back up your own story.” ([08:30])
• Blaine reflects on Danny Jo’s emotional reaction upon learning of Diane’s death, highlighting her genuine grief and innocence.

5. Atlanta Traffic: An Unlikely Character

[12:52] – [15:50]

• The city’s notorious traffic played a significant role in the detour the McIvers’ car took.
• Blaine and Josh detail how Atlanta traffic can necessitate sudden, unusual route changes—adding to plausible confusion:
  • “The only thing that’s predictable is that it’s going to be bad at different times.” — Blaine ([13:46])
  • Josh describes re-creating the drive with Danny Jo for the Dateline episode and the attention it drew.

6. Critical Analysis of the Firearm and the Shooting

[16:08] – [17:14]

• Josh admits he’s not a gun expert, so they involved a firearms specialist for demonstrations.
• Key discovery: The gun used required significant trigger pressure—“not a hair trigger.”
  • “You have to pull, you have to put quite a bit of pressure on that trigger to get that gun to go off.” — Josh ([16:29])
• This casts doubt on the notion of the gun firing due to a bump in the road.

7. The Trial: Charging Decisions, Legal Strategy, and Courtroom Theater

[17:14] – [20:50]

• Initially, Tex was charged with involuntary manslaughter, then indicted for murder as more evidence emerged.
• Josh discusses the risk of prosecutors overcharging in high-profile cases, especially with local political pressures.
• Memorable courtroom moment:
  • Prosecutor Clint Rucker’s “jar of muddy water” prop.
    • “By the time I finish my closing argument, it will be clear. You will be able to see it.” — Josh recounting Rucker’s metaphor ([18:19])
  • Defense attorney Bruce Harvey’s shirts monogrammed “13 and ½,” symbolizing the defense’s constant uphill battle in court.

8. Juror Perspectives & The Verdict

[21:26] – [24:37]

• Jurors quickly split their initial votes between guilty and lesser charges. Deliberations were emotional and fraught:
  • Juror: “There was some crying on some days... crying, there's yelling. There was temper tantrums, people storming out.” ([22:05])
• The sticking point: No one could reconcile all facts perfectly; they struggled to find intent required for “malice murder.”
  • “Tex himself is the only person that said, I woke up, had the gun, and just went off... it wasn’t cocked, so he had to pull the trigger.” — Juror ([22:37])
• Verdict: Not guilty of malice murder, but guilty of felony murder (killing someone while committing a felony, in this case aggravated assault).
• Some jurors would have preferred an involuntary manslaughter option; the lack of that charge played a role in the appeal.

9. Aftermath: Appeal, Plea, and Release

[24:37] – [25:13]

• Conviction overturned in 2022 due to juror instructions—no option for involuntary manslaughter.
• Tex McIver later pleaded guilty to involuntary manslaughter and is now out on parole.
  • “He was 82 when he was released… at least he won’t have to live [his last years] behind bars.” — Josh ([25:00])

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Notable Quotes & Moments

• “Tex, I think you shot me.” — Diane McIver’s final words, as recounted by Josh ([03:18])
• “She was completely forthright… Her testimony, like, did not get Tex off the hook.” — Josh on Danny Jo Carter ([07:27])
• “If you're gonna kill your wife, you are not gonna do it in front of somebody who... can't back up your own story.” — Josh ([08:30])
• “You have to pull, you have to put quite a bit of pressure on that trigger to get that gun to go off.” — Josh ([16:29])
• “The only thing that’s predictable is that it’s going to be bad at different times.” — Blaine on Atlanta traffic ([13:46])
• “There was some crying on some days… temper tantrums, people storming out… We went back to our notebooks and found the evidence. That was, I think, the pivotal moment.” — Juror ([22:05])
• “Not guilty of malice murder. Not guilty of trying to kill his wife, but guilty of trying to shoot her.” — Josh’s reflection on the confusing verdict ([22:46])

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Listener Questions & Reflections

[27:57] – [31:54]

• Why did Tex shoot Diane where he did, with zero planning?
  Josh: “There is not one single explanation… It was murder, he thought of it at the time… it wasn't planned, it was a complete accident. None of that really makes any sense.” ([28:26])

• Jury discounting medical testimony about sleep disturbances?
  Josh: “That certainly makes as much, maybe more sense than anything else… but they weren't able to consider that charge [involuntary manslaughter].” ([30:40])

• Can you shoot your wife by accident?
  Josh: “Many Dateline viewers would argue exactly that.” ([30:18])

• Public judgment on how people grieve:
  Josh: “What America does is pass judgment on anybody who grieves outside the norm… If you grieve by selling off your dead wife's possessions in a very short period of time, you're going to get judged.” ([29:24])

• Personal aside: Would Josh ever return to Atlanta after experiencing its traffic again?

  • “Blaine, I don't think Atlanta's big enough for the two of us, so I'm gonna let that be your battlefield. But I did love it there.” ([31:54])

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Important Timestamps

• Case Timeline Recap: [01:42] – [04:24]
• Eyewitness Danny Jo Carter: [06:42] – [10:20]
• Atlanta Traffic Discussion: [12:52] – [15:50]
• Gun Demonstration and Analysis: [16:08] – [17:14]
• Legal Strategy and Props: [18:05] – [20:50]
• Juror Discussion and Clip: [21:26] – [24:37]
• Aftermath of Verdict: [24:37] – [25:13]
• Listener Q&A: [27:57] – [31:54]

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Summary

This episode of “Talking Dateline” offers a compelling, behind-the-scenes exploration of the Tex McIver case—an Atlanta shooting shrouded in ambiguity and intrigue. With both hosts’ firsthand knowledge of the city and legal system, the discussion moves beyond the headlines, bringing to life the characters (especially eyewitness Danny Jo Carter), the quirks of Atlanta, and the jury’s struggle with the case’s many ambiguities. From prop-laden courtroom dramas to the weight of public opinion and the risks of charging decisions, Josh and Blaine dissect the complexities with candor and insight.

For anyone interested in how true crime cases are reported, litigated, and debated—in real time and in retrospect—this episode is essential listening.

Transcript

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[Blaine Alexander]

Hi everyone, I am Blaine Alexander and today we are talking dateline. I'm so happy to be joined by my good friend Josh Mankiewicz. Hi, Josh.

[Josh Mankiewicz]

Hello.

[Blaine Alexander]

We are here to discuss your episode Deadly Detour and what an episode it was. So if you haven't seen it, you can watch the episode on Peacock or listen to it in the Dateline podcast feed and then come right on back here for this conversation. Later, we'll have an extra clip from Josh's interview with several jurors from this case. Then Josh will answer some of your social media questions about the episode. Episode. All right, Josh, my friend, let's talk dateline. Just for our viewers who may not be as familiar, just kind of give us a quick rundown of what happened here.

[Josh Mankiewicz]

Well, you know, Tex McIver was, was a, was an attorney in Atlanta and a very big deal and had been for a long time. And he was married to Diane, who was also a very big deal in business in, in Atlanta. And so they were sort of this power couple and they had this property way, way, way outside of town. And they had been there for the weekend and they were coming back and as they were getting off the freeway, something happened in Texas version of what happened. He thought he was driving into the middle of a Black Lives Matter protest, which he was not. But he did say that he was not driving and Diane was not driving. The driving was their friend Danny Jo, because he was afraid of what he thought was about to happen. And I will say that that sort of strains credulity a little bit. Tex took out his gun because he thought he felt at risk. And then nothing happened. But Tex kept his gun in his hand. And then as they continued to drive, they went over a bump. Tex awoke with a start. He may have dozed off, not really clear, but the gun went off. Now, admitting to holding a gun, falling asleep, and accidentally firing it is probably in itself some kind of crime. But what happened was he. The bullet went. He was in the back seat. The bullet went through the front seat and hit his wife, Diane, during which she uttered a memorable phrase, which, you know, we called this deadly detour. But the only thing anybody remembers about this is her words, that text, I think you shot me. And she was correct. He had shot her. And then they then drove to Emory Hospital, despite the fact that there were closer hospitals. And they took Diane to the emergency room, and they were not able to save her. She was. She died as a result of being accidentally, or depending on who you ask, deliberately shot by her husband. And that was the basis of this story.

[Blaine Alexander]

I want to just talk about how big of a case this was, and this is something that you certainly bring forward in the episode itself. But it was so interesting for me watching this because I remember this whole thing playing out in real time. I remember it's crazy that it was a decade ago, but I was a local reporter when all of this happened. And the biggest thing that I remember, aside from us covering all of it, was you talked about the Corey Towers, this kind of iconic tower in Atlanta, and it's right at the interchange of 70, 25, 85 and 20. So basically, if you're driving down the highway, you're going to see it. And her picture was up there for such a long time. I mean, it was something that everybody knew about and everybody noticed. How did you come to find out about this story, Josh?

[Josh Mankiewicz]

You know, we. I think we read it in the paper, or your station in Atlanta called us, which also does happen. And, you know, as you know, I mean, we get. We get alerts from local stations around the country all the time about stories that they're working on that they think might end up being a Dateline story. And it's the kind of story that makes a great Dateline episode. I mean, the two of them, Tex and Diane, were memorable characters both in real life in Atlanta and sort of in the trial and the aftermath that followed. Did you. Did you ever cover either one of them before this? Did you know about them?

[Blaine Alexander]

Not before the shooting, no, not before the shooting. I was familiar with the company with Corey, but I wasn't familiar with either one of them by name. But certainly after all of this happened, I Mean, and everybody started digging into it. I did. Here's what's interesting, though. I'll tell you the interesting way that this overlapped the property that you talk about, this beautiful property that they had, where they had their ranch. It was in Eatonton, Georgia, Putnam County. I know it well because my husband and I actually used to own property. Certainly nothing like that, by the way. Nothing. Nothing even close to that. Let's be clear.

[Josh Mankiewicz]

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[Blaine Alexander]

Not even almost that ground, but we had some land and it was literally less than two miles away from where the ranch is. Like, I know exactly where that is. And so.

[Josh Mankiewicz]

And so you know how isolated that is. Absolutely. If you're going to commit a crime, if you want to get rid of your spouse and claim it was an accidental shooting, that's the place to do it. You're not going to have any witnesses.

[Blaine Alexander]

That's the place to do it. But also because, again, there was a shooting range there. Everybody's shooting guns there. Right. So a shooting accident certainly does not stretch the limits of believability. Right. And so something like that would have been easy to cook up out there. But I want to talk about Danny Jo. I love that you were able to talk with her. I love that she was as candid as she was. I loved that we just had her voice in all of this because, I mean, how rare is it that we actually have the person who was really right there when the crime happened? Usually these things happen in isolation or you don't. Whatever it is, you don't hear from the person who was sitting right there when all of this unfolded. And so I'm curious if there are any behind the scenes you can tell us about her conversation. I'm just curious about what her demeanor was like as she was recounting all of this to you.

[Josh Mankiewicz]

So here's the thing about Danny Jo. She was completely unafraid of what might happen in that interview. You know, a lot of people we talk with, you and I. Right. They are worried about how they're going to come off and they're worried about possible legal ramifications that that might follow. Right. Are they going to get charged? Are they going to be implicated in some way? Are they going to get sued? Danny Jo was not worried about any of that. She was completely forthright. And, you know, her testimony, like, did not get Tax off the hook. And although there was rampant speculation at the time that, you know, she was in on it with tax either because they were having an affair, because he was going to, like, cut her in on the money or something like that. None of that turned out to be true either. There was no relationship between Danny Jo and Tex except a friendly one. And she was sort of as much Diane's friend or maybe more so than Text. I mean, there was nothing going on there. Which is, again, as I sort of was talking about before, like, like, if you're gonna kill your wife, you are not gonna do it in front of somebody who is not you. Who, you, who you don't know is going to back up your own story.

[Blaine Alexander]

Sure.

[Josh Mankiewicz]

You know, you're going to do it with somebody who's going to say, oh, yes, that's absolutely right. There were people running toward the car with guns, and Text took out his gun and accidentally shot Diane, like, but, but there was none of that. I mean, she did not, she did not make Text sound better in her testimony. She did not, you know, back up his story. And, you know, she was, I thought Danny Jo was a very sort of honest broker of all the facts in this case. And then she also, you know, drove around with me through the route they had taken from the shooting scene all the way to Emory Hospital, which is, again, a long way.

[Blaine Alexander]

Absolutely, absolutely. I have to say, one of the things that really struck me about Danny Jo was that we saw the moment that she learned that Diane MacGyver had died. That was what that, that was really. I just felt so bad for her in that moment. One, she's taking her friend to the hospital, and I could see that she thought, okay, she shot in the back. This is wild. This is not good. But she felt comfortable enough, that she was stable, that she, you know, felt okay leaving. But then to get that news via text message, mind you, which I thought was really rough. And then we see her kind of break down. You could just see how close they were. And then I just really felt for her.

[Josh Mankiewicz]

You could. And I mean, this, that, that's, that's the thing that says to me more than any other sort of investigative thing, I wasn't a part of this. You know, I, I, this is a terrible thing that I was a witness to, but that I, I played no role in this. And I think that's right. I think she, she didn't play any role in this.

[Blaine Alexander]

When we come back, Josh will share an extra clip of his interview with some of the jurors at Tex MacGyver's trial.

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[Blaine Alexander]

One of the big characters we always talk about characters in our Dateline stories. Sometimes they're, of course, the people that we talk to. Sometimes it's the location, the city. In this one, I think that an unconventional character is Atlanta traffic. You start with Atlanta traffic. Atlanta traffic plays a big role in the way that all of this went down. For some of our viewers who have never had the pleasure of visiting this fair city, I mean, I want to talk about Atlanta traffic because some people could look at this and say, gosh, is it that bad that you would need to exit and take this roundabout way? Yes. Yes, it is. Yes, it is.

[Josh Mankiewicz]

I lived in Atlanta for three years from 1983 to 1986. Okay, so that'd be 40 years ago that I left, right? It was savage then. I can't even imagine what it was like in 2016 when this happened.

[Blaine Alexander]

It is. It is one of the things that you have to plan sometimes I plan my entire week around how to navigate different things I'm doing around Atlanta. Traffic right between taking my daughter to school, doing interviews, just different things because it is so unpredictable. And the only thing that's predictable is that's going to be bad at different times. And so hearing them say, okay, they had to exit because, you know, the congestion was just so bad, that makes perfect sense. That's not something that raises eyebrows.

[Josh Mankiewicz]

Yeah, I mean, it was. Look, look, you know, we always look for something in, in a Dateline story to sort of get us out of the chair with the, with the other person that we're interviewing. And sometimes, you know, you're walking around the crime scene, sometimes you're, you're, you're visiting some important part of the story. But in this case, clearly, the thing that that was most important was that this shooting happened during a car trip which was then diverted to, to Emory Hospital. So we sort of started where, where they got off the freeway, and we ended at Emory. And we did it at night. And Danny Jo was driving. It was hard for her to drive, much harder for her to drive us than it had been to drive Texan. Diane. Because we had all these lights in the car to light the light the two of us up so that we could be seen on the. All the cameras that we put in the car. So let's just say it was not optimum driving conditions because we would get the stoplights. Right. And you see people in the next car, like, looking at us like, what's going on in there? Why are they. Why is that car lit up like a movie set? Right. But I mean, so, so Danny Jo, I think, remarked a couple of times, like, she's like, she's like, leaning forward. Like, there's a lot of glare here, which there was not that night. Most people don't. Yeah. So that was a, that was the thing. But fortunately, she was. We didn't have a problem with that.

[Blaine Alexander]

But to actually go through that route. What did you think when you were driving that with her?

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[Josh Mankiewicz]

It's a long way. And there is a hospital that is not only closer, but that handles gunshot wounds at a far greater number than Emory Hospital does.

[Blaine Alexander]

It's a level one trauma. It's great that she would take you on that drive, too. I think that that really helped and brought a lot to the story. Let's talk about guns and how guns fire. I love seeing you kind of demonstrating it at the end. Right. The difference between buying it when it's cocked versus when it's not pulling the trigger. Do you have a lot of firearms experience, knowledge?

[Josh Mankiewicz]

I don't know. That's, that's, that's why we, we, we worked with a real firearms expert on this. And you see him with me in the episode shooting the shooting the exact same model of gun that Text used. And here's the thing. You've got to pull that trigger very hard for that gun to go off. That is the thing I was, I was surprised by when we sort of did that, that test, which is that is not a hair trigger. You have to, you have to pull, you have to put quite a bit of pressure on that trigger to get that gun to go off. When you go over a bump on the road, it's not that kind of hair trigger. You have to pull that trigger.

[Blaine Alexander]

Sure, Absolutely. Let's talk about the trial. Initially, he was charged with involuntary manslaughter, but prosecutors gathered more evidence. They charged him with murder. Did they run the risk of overcharging him here, kind of taking that next step?

[Josh Mankiewicz]

I mean, that's always a risk, you know, and that's always, that's always a risk the prosecutors have when they have a case that's very high profile. And, you know, there is some significant part of the, of the, the population and wherever it is that you live and wherever you're trying this case that, you know, sort of wants the book thrown at this person. And that's when people do get overcharged because you have, you know, I'm not saying this happened in this case, but in a lot of cases you have, like, an elected DA who wants to appear tough on crime and is asking for the maximum penalty on everything. And the evidence doesn't always support the maximum penalty on everything.

[Blaine Alexander]

Before we get to the jurors, I want to. There was one piece that stood out to me during. I mean, several things about the trial stood out to me. But let's talk about the use of the prop, the prosecutor's use of the prop. He came out, he had that jar of muddy water.

[Josh Mankiewicz]

This was a thing that Clint. Is Clint Rucker no longer a prosecutor in Atlanta? I think he's in private practice now. He. This is the thing Clint was famous for, was he would take this jar of, of water. I'm not sure from where, maybe out of the Chattahoochee. I'm actually not sure where it came from. But he would put this jar of muddy water on the wall that separates the well from the jurors, and he would say, this water is Muddy. By the time I finish my closing argument, it will be clear. You will be able to see it. Then he talks for a while, and he gives his closing argument. And then, of course, the silt has settled in this jar, this Mason jar, and you can see through it. And so it's kind of a. Kind of a metaphor for what he's trying to achieve. You know, Texas attorney Bruce Harvey, who has a long ponytail, despite the fact that he's a grown man. Sorry, he has. I mean, come on. He has on his shirts. He has a monogram on his shirts. Bruce Harvey does. And the monogram is. Let me just make sure I have this right. I believe this is it. It says 13 and a half. 13 and one half. And that's his sort of mantra as a criminal attorney, which is 12 jurors, one judge, half a chance.

[Blaine Alexander]

Hmm, right.

[Josh Mankiewicz]

That is up to 13. In other words, everything stacked against us. We have half a chance. That's the. That's the whole sort of attitude of criminal defense attorneys, which is not entirely wrong. Prosecutors like Clint Rucker tend to go into cases like this with the. The deck stacked heavily in their favor. It's why prosecutors in murder cases around the country, like, you talk to them, and they have records. One lost records in murder cases of, like, you know, 28 and 1, 29 and 2. I mean, these are. These are. They go in with. With. With the deck overwhelmingly in their favor. So Clint uses the. The Mason jar with the silt and mud in it, and. And the passage of time. And then Bruce Harvey has 13 and a half monogrammed on his shirts.

[Blaine Alexander]

Can I just say that everything you just ran down. That's so Atlanta. I love Atlanta. I mean, these are. Both of these guys are fixtures in the legal community here. I've dealt with them a number of times. They're folks who are very familiar, you know, with the process. But, yes, they have their. Their ways that they go about arguing cases. And so it's always interesting to watch. We've got some characters down here. Let's. Let's talk about the jurors. We have an extra clip of you talking to some of them about their choice to convict Tex MacGyver, not of malice murder, but of the lesser charge, killing someone in the process of committing a felony.

[Josh Mankiewicz]

All right, so you go in, and how quickly do you take a vote after deliberations begin?

[Juror 1]

Pretty much right away.

[Josh Mankiewicz]

What was the first vote?

[Juror 2]

Five guilty and then seven lesser charged counts, one and two.

[Juror 3]

And I felt like when we walked into the deliberation room that he was guilty, and we all thought he was guilty of something. We had a difficult time agreeing on what that was. And when you add all of the things up in this case, too many things happen right next to each other to just say, well, he's not guilty.

[Josh Mankiewicz]

Did tempers fray, voices raise?

[Juror 2]

There was some crying on some days.

[Juror 1]

Crying, there's yelling. There was temper tantrums, people storming out. We weren't making progress. And then the error in the jury room was a defeat of, you know, we're 12 grown people, respect for each other. How come we couldn't come to a decision? And we came back in. We agreed as a group that we were going to give it one more shot. We went back to our notebooks and found the evidence. And that was, I think, the pivotal moment, actually, where we said, look, Tex himself is the only person that said, I woke up, had the gun, and just went off. And his own attorney. The only testimony we had was it wasn't caught, so he had to pull the trigger. And I think that's what did it.

[Josh Mankiewicz]

Not guilty of malice murder. Not guilty of trying to kill his wife, but guilty of trying to shoot her. What he was. Tex was trying to shoot Diane but not kill her. I don't get it.

[Juror 2]

One of the things that we had to do. Do with the murder charges, you know, we had to determine, particularly for those of us who were in the guilty camp, can we truly find the intent? And we couldn't.

[Blaine Alexander]

Yeah.

[Juror 1]

I mean, for aggravated assault, there's an intent to cause bodily harm. Right. And when we looked at the evidence, that's the only action that we had actually any testimony around. And for the actual malice and hatred and the intent to murder his wife, there was a lot of reasonable doubt

[Josh Mankiewicz]

in my mind, but there was no doubt that he intended to shoot her.

[Juror 3]

Well, again, I think when you look at the moment where the gun goes off, did it go off unintentionally or did it go off on purpose?

[Josh Mankiewicz]

You think justice was done here?

[Juror 3]

Yes, I do.

[Juror 2]

I do. I remember once we came to that, to the final decision, I think everybody felt not a sense of relief that it's over, but a sense of relief that we made the right decision.

[Blaine Alexander]

Lot to consider there. That's interesting to hear that.

[Josh Mankiewicz]

Yeah. You know, and I mean, I think one of the things you can tell from that conversation is that they would have loved to be able to consider a charge of involuntary manslaughter, but that wasn't one of the things that they were offered. And that's the, one of the, that's, I think, the reason that the Texas case was eventually overturned, that the belief that jurors should have had that option to consider a lesser charge because it felt like they wanted to convict. It was something. Something short of actual deliberate murder.

[Blaine Alexander]

Sure. And that conviction being overturned, that happened in 2022. Tex eventually pleaded guilty to involuntary manslaughter rather than go back to trial. And now he's out. He's been released on parole.

[Josh Mankiewicz]

Yeah. Well, you know, he's how old now?

[Blaine Alexander]

I mean, he's, he was 82 when he was released.

[Josh Mankiewicz]

Yeah. So he's like what, 82 years old? 82. 83 now.

[Blaine Alexander]

83. Yeah.

[Josh Mankiewicz]

Yeah. I certainly understand the decision to take that plea because he's, he's out now and whatever years he has left, at least he won't have to live them behind bars.

[Blaine Alexander]

Okay. And after the break, Josh and I will answer some of your questions from social media.

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[Blaine Alexander]

Well, as you can imagine, a lot of people had a lot of thoughts about this episode. So let us go to our favorite part of any talking Dateline episode and listen to some viewer questions. So let's get this from Allison Silcox Ledman on Facebook, who writes, my biggest problem is that it wasn't his decision to get off the freeway at all. Did he just decide to shoot her right there, right then, zero planning involved? Had he told her to get off, that would be one thing. But he didn't. It just doesn't seem plausible to me.

[Josh Mankiewicz]

Look, as we talked about this, there is not one single explanation of this. It was murder. He thought of it at the time. It was planned. He thought about it for a long time. It wasn't planned. It was. It was a complete accident. Right. None of that really makes any sense. Yeah, I mean, yeah, I it there is no theory that fits the facts perfectly in this case.

[Blaine Alexander]

Sure. Here's a username that's appropriate for this time of year. Marching Madness says on X Texas trying to be smooth. Too smooth.

[Josh Mankiewicz]

Well, you know, as you heard the jurors, I mean, like they, they did not believe Texas story.

[Blaine Alexander]

Okay, good. Let's hear from this genuine Laurie on X says, I'm sure I've said this before, but I will never pass judgment on anyone because of how they grieve or respond to a tragedy. Well, that's always something that comes up in our episodes.

[Josh Mankiewicz]

Laura, you have not seen enough Datelines. Because what America does is pass judgment on anybody who grie outside the norm. I mean, we all say that. We say, you know, you know, people grieve differently. Right? But if you grieve by selling off your dead wife's possessions in a very short period of time, you're going to get judged for that. Not just by your friends and neighbors, not just by people watching on tv, but by people whose job it is to lock you up. So, yeah, get ready. We. We do all grieve differently. I got a podcast out right now called Trace of Suspicion, in which how someone grieves is a huge part of the story. So, yeah, I would urge you to listen to that.

[Blaine Alexander]

Here's one from Rara. 1875. 1937. Who writes on X? Let's just say I don't think that you can shoot your wife on accident.

[Josh Mankiewicz]

Yeah, well, many Dateline viewers would argue exactly that.

[Blaine Alexander]

Yeah. Interesting question from Misty Hargrave, who writes on Facebook. I'm wondering why the jury was able to completely discount the medical testimony regarding the defendant's sleep disturbances. It seems much more likely that the gun was discharged after text jolted himself awake.

[Josh Mankiewicz]

And of all the possible explanations, that certainly makes as much, maybe more sense than anything else. Again, that feels like involuntary manslaughter because it's still, you know, if you don't have your gun in your hand, then it doesn't make any difference. You know, if you're jolted awake, you don't kill anybody in the process. I mean, that is exactly, I think, where the jury ultimately came down, but they weren't able to consider that charge. Yeah, I think that's right. I think he probably was jolted awake and, you know, didn't. Didn't realize that he was clenching his hand at the time. I don't think he meant to shoot. Again, if you're going to shoot somebody, you don't shoot them through the seat of a car, which might deflect the bullet and maybe not kill the person. And then you've got someone sitting right next to your victim who you can't count on to tell your version of the story. So that's sort of where I come down.

[Blaine Alexander]

It's not a sure way. If that was your plot to kill your wife, it's certainly not a surefire way of doing it. Well, the last question, Josh, is actually from me. After dipping your toe back into Atlanta traffic for this episode, would you ever move back?

[Josh Mankiewicz]

Well, I did love Atlanta. I mean, it was. I don't know that Atlanta. Blaine, I don't think Atlanta's big enough for the two of us, so I'm gonna let that be your battlefield. But I did love it there.

[Blaine Alexander]

You're welcome to come visit anytime.

[Josh Mankiewicz]

Thank you. Thank you.

[Blaine Alexander]

We'd love to have you. And thank you, of course, for talking Dateline with me, friend it was always a pleasure anytime. And that is it for talking Dateline this week. Remember, if you have any questions for us about our stories, you can always reach us 24. 7 on social media. Aine NBC. You can DM us your audio or video questions on socials or you can always call and leave a voicemail. That number is 212-413-5252 for a chance to be featured right here on the podcast. Thanks so much for listening.

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