Talking Dateline: The Premonition

Summary

Dateline NBC: Talking Dateline – "The Premonition"

Episode Release Date: January 29, 2025

Introduction

In the latest episode of Talking Dateline, hosts Blaine Alexander and Andrea Canning delve into the gripping true-crime story featured in the Dateline NBC episode titled "The Premonition." This episode explores the mysterious 2006 murder of Dr. John Yelnick, a beloved dentist who astonishingly predicted his own death. The hosts provide an in-depth analysis of the case, the investigative hurdles, and the ultimate pursuit of justice.

1. The Premonition

Blaine Alexander introduces the episode by highlighting the extraordinary nature of Dr. John Yelnick's case. John reportedly foretold his own murder, stating, "I paid you $10,000 to investigate the murder, and I'm not dead yet" (02:00). This chilling declaration sets the stage for a story filled with suspense and unforeseen twists.

2. The Love Story: John and Michelle

The hosts explore John Yelnick's personal life, emphasizing his relationship with Michelle. John, a 39-year-old successful dentist, met Michelle and quickly fell in love. According to Andrea Canning, John described Michelle as "the Budweiser girl, the homecoming queen" (05:51), reflecting his adoration and the dynamics of their relationship. Despite Michelle already having two children, John embraced the role of a father figure, highlighting his deep yearning for family after losing his own parents at a young age.

3. The Tragic Discovery

The discovery of John’s body was made by his nine-year-old neighbor, Zach, under harrowing circumstances. Blaine shares, "There was such a gory scene. It was heartbreaking" (02:39). The tragic event forced young Zach to confront a reality far beyond his years, a theme Andrea poignantly notes: "It's always horrible when a child has to be the one to find someone who has died" (02:58).

4. The Investigation and Evidence

Corporal Janelle Lydic played a pivotal role in the investigation. Despite it being her first murder case, her instincts were sharp. Blaine remarks on her dedication, stating, "She was on it. I was surprised by that" (10:42). One significant piece of evidence was the bloody footprints at the scene, leading to the involvement of ASICS, the tennis shoe company. Blaine humorously notes the rarity of the shoes: "What are the odds that you commit a crime and you're wearing these shoes that are so rare?" (14:22). Additionally, DNA evidence was crucial in linking Kevin Foley to the crime, with Dr. Mark Perlin from Cyber Genetics explaining the statistical significance of the match: "The chance of it not being him was so small, based on the match statistic, that it was not feasible" (17:19).

5. The Trial and Conviction

The trial of Kevin Foley was heavily influenced by the forensic evidence presented. Dr. Perlin detailed how Cyber Genetics' DNA analysis provided an overwhelming match to Foley, cementing his conviction. Despite Michelle admitting to infidelity and John confessing the same, only Foley faced charges, leaving some of John's friends and family feeling that justice was only partially served. Andrea comments, "She did not want to talk to us. But I think for John's friends, they were upset. They really felt like she got away scot-free" (18:45).

6. Host Insights and Reflections

Throughout the discussion, Blaine and Andrea share personal reflections and insights:

• On Personal Connections: Blaine relates his own passion for news to John’s dedication, saying, "I always want to be on the news and then to do it... I identified with John on that" (04:57).

• On Psychics Involvement: The involvement of psychics in the investigation is discussed with a blend of skepticism and acknowledgment of their role in desperate times. Andrea shares a personal anecdote about a psychic predicting her future, adding a lighthearted touch: "I ended up marrying a pilot. He was up in the air" (13:38).

• On Custody Battles: The intense custody battle over their child, JJ, is highlighted as a central emotional conflict, with Blaine reflecting on the heartbreaking nature of such disputes: "It was heartbreaking for any parent" (08:12).

7. Conclusion

Blaine and Andrea conclude the episode by reflecting on the poignancy of John Yelnick’s fate. Blaine shares a heartfelt moment, mentioning a listener's comment about John deserving to "die peacefully in bed surrounded by a loving family" (19:04), underscoring the tragic loss of a man who was deeply loved and prematurely taken away.

8. Audience Engagement

In the latter part of the episode, the hosts engage with audience questions, discussing potential future topics such as the unsolved cases of Tupac and Biggie, and sharing their camaraderie and mutual respect. Andrea expresses interest in revisiting the case of Olivia Lone Bear, an indigenous woman found dead in her car, emphasizing the importance of giving voice to unresolved mysteries.

Notable Quotes

• "I paid you $10,000 to investigate the murder, and I'm not dead yet." – Dr. John Yelnick (02:00)
• "He did these awful things." – Michelle on infidelity (07:44)
• "The chance of it not being him was so small, based on the match statistic, that it was not feasible." – Dr. Mark Perlin (17:19)
• "He deserved to die peacefully in bed surrounded by a loving family." – Dennis, a friend (19:04)

Final Thoughts

"The Premonition" encapsulates a deeply emotional and scientifically intriguing case, showcasing the lengths to which investigators go to uncover the truth. Through engaging dialogue and expert insights, Blaine Alexander and Andrea Canning provide listeners with a comprehensive understanding of the complexities surrounding John Yelnick’s tragic demise. This episode serves as a testament to the enduring impact of Dateline NBC's investigative storytelling.

Transcript

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[Blaine Alexander]

Hello, I'm Blaine Alexander, and I'm here with Andrea Canning, and we are talking dateline. So this episode is called the Premonition. It's about the 2006 murder of a beloved dentist, John Yelnick, who predicted his own death and the obstacles that investigators had to overcome in bringing his killer to justice. Now, if you haven't listened to the show yet, it's the episode right below this one on our list of podcasts. So just choose from that. You can go there, listen to it, or if you want to watch it, of course, you can stream it on Peacock and then come right back here. When you come back, Andrea has an extra clip that she wants to play for us from her interview with Dr. Mark Perlin, the chief scientific and executive officer at Cyber Genetics. And then later, of course, we're going to answer some of your questions from social media, so make sure you stay tuned for that. Okay, let's talk dateline.

[Andrea Canning]

Let's talk dateline. Hey, Blaine.

[Blaine Alexander]

Hey, Andrea. How are you?

[Andrea Canning]

I'm good. I haven't even seen you in the new year, so it's a little late, but happy New Year, Blaine.

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[Blaine Alexander]

It's always appropriate. And Happy New Year. Back to you.

[Andrea Canning]

Yeah.

[Blaine Alexander]

I have to tell you that this story, it literally had me hooked from the very first line, right? To say, hey, I paid you $10,000 to investigate the murder, and I'm not dead yet. That's wild.

[Andrea Canning]

It is wild. And it's something we see in different forms on Dateline where someone writes a letter to themselves or they write it to someone else or they tell someone, you know, if something happens to me, you know. So this was more uncommon because he's paying money and he's actually, like, enlisting the help of his Attorney. But definitely over the years, people have predicted their own murders on Dateline.

[Blaine Alexander]

Sadly, there were so many parts of the story that were just gripping. I think past the premonition. The person who found John's body, his nine year old neighbor Zach found his body. And this really gory scene. I just. What was it like talking to him? Of course, Many years later. But that was just a hard, hard thing.

[Andrea Canning]

Well, it's always horrible when a child has to be the one to find someone who has died. It happens too often where children are dragged into these things where they have to see these horrific things that they can't unsee. And imagine how that shapes your life at that point, you know, that you've seen something so gory and awful and.

[Blaine Alexander]

You'Re just a. I mean, you're forced to grow up. Right? You're forced to, in that moment, grow up much faster and much more immediately than you would ever expect. Right?

[Andrea Canning]

Yeah. I mean, in this case, the neighbor was, you know, kind of collateral damage. Right. That, that he had to be the one to find him.

[Blaine Alexander]

To find him. Yeah. And. And he was going over to. To look for a playmate. He was looking for a son, J.J. to play together. That was that. That one touched my heart. Like, oh, he just wanted to find a friend and that's what he found. My gosh.

[Andrea Canning]

I know.

[Blaine Alexander]

I want to talk about John, you know, 39 years old and, and clearly successful. Right. I mean, he'd wanted all his life to. He's always on the honor roll. He's a partner at his own dental practice, where he used to go growing up. Like, it had to have been a really interesting full circle moment for him.

[Andrea Canning]

Yeah. I mean, he put his mind to something. He set out to do what he wanted to do, and he made it happen.

[Blaine Alexander]

I'm curious about full circle moments. I was thinking about this. I mean, it's something he always wanted to do. He was able to do it. Did you always know that you wanted to be a journalist? Like, is that kind of. Did you start off intentionally on this path?

[Andrea Canning]

No, absolutely not. No. I think I've told this story before. We. I'm going to date myself here, but I also lived in the country.

[Blaine Alexander]

Okay.

[Andrea Canning]

We had three channels and, you know, after school, six o'clock rolls around. All I want to do is watch tv. And all that would come on was the news. And I'm like, darn news. You know, I don't like. This is all that's on my three channels. What am I supposed to go do? Read a Book. And then I went on, like, a shoot with, like, a TV commercial. And then I was like, I'm kind of interested in tv. And then that just kind of unraveled into TV news. And then now I'm like a news junkie. That's all I watch now is, like, during the day is like, news, news, news.

[Blaine Alexander]

That is so fascinating. But at first you're like, no, absolutely not.

[Andrea Canning]

Oh, gosh, no, no, I, I just couldn't. What about you? Were you, like, on your dad's lap going, I'm gonna be a reporter, daddy?

[Blaine Alexander]

Yes, I was the exact opposite. Like, I grew up watching today's show. Like, I would watch Tom Brokaw on the news as like a third grader, like a second grader. Like, I loved the news.

[Andrea Canning]

Yeah.

[Blaine Alexander]

And I think that it's some point I realized, okay, like, the news tells people when things are important. Like, that was kind of my, my realization. So I, I, I identified with that full circle moment. Like, oh, gosh, I always want to be, you know, on the news and then to do it. So, so I, I definitely identified with John on that. It had to have been so cool to go back and actually work for that practice. Let's talk about him meeting Michelle. He meets Michelle and they, I mean, he falls head over heels pretty quickly. Like, I, I wonder how he felt. Do you think that he felt he was lucky to, to be with her? When you kind of talked to his friends, did you get that impression that he felt lucky to, to have found somebody like Michelle?

[Andrea Canning]

I think he was like, I, you know, I got the Budweiser girl, I got the homecoming queen.

[Blaine Alexander]

Yeah.

[Andrea Canning]

You know. Right. There's a lot of guys who would be excited about that.

[Blaine Alexander]

Right.

[Andrea Canning]

That they got, like, the girl that all the guys want. Because the Budweiser girls back in the day, I don't know if they still have them, but, you know, they were popular.

[Blaine Alexander]

Yeah.

[Andrea Canning]

Michelle was definitely attractive and.

[Blaine Alexander]

Sure. Yeah. And I think that that also kind of speaks to just the dynamics of their relationship. Right. Like, Michelle already had two kids, but John was all in. And not everybody would necessarily sign up for that. Right. I mean, to come in and kind of parent to other kids. I wonder. I mean, I feel like that kind of tells us a lot about the person, the type of person that, that John was.

[Andrea Canning]

Yeah. I think John wanted a family so badly, and he certainly wanted a child with Michelle, but I think this was a way to just kick start that family that he'd wanted so badly. He stepped right in as a father figure. To her children, and he was in love with her, and she was a package deal.

[Blaine Alexander]

Yeah. Especially after having lost his own parents. Right. This kind of longing for family or.

[Andrea Canning]

Longing for his dad. Yeah.

[Blaine Alexander]

Right.

[Andrea Canning]

And then his mom, of course, later in life. But. But yeah, like, losing his dad, you know, when he was just a baby.

[Blaine Alexander]

Absolutely.

[Andrea Canning]

So he was able to be a dad to her kids and then ultimately to their child that they adopted from Russia.

[Blaine Alexander]

Mm. And. And speaking of jj, I mean, when they have jj, they. They have now their three children, and it really seemed like everything was falling into place. I remember looking at the home that they had, and I said, this is gorgeous. Obviously, this was before Instagram. This is, you know, early 2000s. But when you think about seeing people's lives on social media and thinking, oh, my God, this is perfect, they would have been the people that you would've looked at and said, oh, they're perfect. They adopted a child. They're so cute. You know, to go from that to this very, very bitter divorce. You know, there's certainly a lot in there that we'll never know, but it was just really kind of an interesting fall, unfortunately.

[Andrea Canning]

Yeah. And infidelity on both sides.

[Blaine Alexander]

Yeah. Yeah. You know, that was one of the points. Michelle admits that, you know, she cheated on John, but then he admits the same, and she just, like, loses it.

[Andrea Canning]

Like, talk about that dynamic, you know, what is it? Don't throw stones at glass houses. I just feel like if you're gonna have an affair, then you really can't judge your partner for having an affair.

[Blaine Alexander]

Absolutely. You know, I want to talk about kind of this heated custody battle for JJ. JJ really becomes @ the center of this.

[Andrea Canning]

Right.

[Blaine Alexander]

One of the people that you interviewed was Maggie, one of John's friends, who said that at one point, he was crying on the phone to her, saying that he didn't think that he would see his son again. And that's just, you know, heartbreaking for any parent. It seems like a lot of these cases do stem from custody battles.

[Andrea Canning]

Yeah. Like, what if it was amicable? What if there was, like, a different way to handle it? Could his life have been spared?

[Blaine Alexander]

When we come back, we have an extra clip from Dr. Mark Perlin, the chief scientific and executive officer at Cybergenetics. His technology played a crucial role in solving John's murder.

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[Blaine Alexander]

I want to talk about Corporal Janelle Lydic. She was kind of the MVP of this story, and I was. So I've got a couple of questions about her. I just was really struck by her instincts. Even though this was her first murder case, right?

[Andrea Canning]

Yeah, yeah, it was.

[Blaine Alexander]

So the first thing that really stood out to me is that she gets the call. She's on like a family outing, right? And she's got her husband, she's got her kids in the car, and they're kids, four kids, and they just gotta go to the crime scene. It's like a family field trip.

[Andrea Canning]

I know, right?

[Blaine Alexander]

I was surprised by that.

[Andrea Canning]

I. I know, I know. I. Yeah, like, it's amazing. She just was on it. I remember when I had to go to an interview at a jail and I had my kids with me because we were doing like a handoff or something. I can't. Somebody was coming to get them because we had been somewhere and they. They were always asking me when they were little, what does a jail look like? What does a jail? And I'm like, well, here you go. Here's the jail. We're at the jail now. We're not going inside. You're not.

[Blaine Alexander]

I think a lot of moms would identify with that, right? Yes, exactly what you said. There's a handoff at some point you have to do something. But I also thought that it was interest. Cause it kind of showed her dedication to the job. She was like, I want to get there. I want to be there immediately. I don't want to kind of waste that time going home. And then at one point, she kind of describes how she's standing in between the car and the house to block her kids.

[Andrea Canning]

And, you know, we went in that house, we shot in that house. And it's always like, adds sort of that extra layer of chilling moments when you get access to the house where the murder happened or the field or whatever it may be, because you're really going back to that moment exactly where you can see that person, like, going through what they went through.

[Blaine Alexander]

Of course, but I wanna talk about the psychics, the psychic sisters.

[Andrea Canning]

Oh, my gosh, the psychics. Talk about the psychics.

[Blaine Alexander]

Have you ever had psychics involved in a story before?

[Andrea Canning]

I'm trying to think if I've interviewed other psychics. I probably have at some point. But no one stands out more than the sisters.

[Blaine Alexander]

Oh, my gosh.

[Andrea Canning]

I mean, I still remember sitting there outside talking to them. They were funny, but they said that they. They felt a dog tag. You know, they were thinking military, but they weren't that far off. I mean, you know, police, military, you know, maybe that's like where they, you know, where they were headed.

[Blaine Alexander]

It's so interesting to me. I think that time and time again you see people, when they turn to psychics or just some sort of kind of unexplained anything, people are really kind of at their most desperate point. They want to know, they want answers. They. They've gone through everything and they're like, well, maybe these. Something, right? That's kind of what we saw.

[Andrea Canning]

But then there's people who actually believe in psychics as well. So maybe they're not desperate. They just actually really believe in the power of that. Yeah, the power of that. I mean, I've. I've been to psychics in my life. I wouldn't say that I'm like some huge psychic believer or regular visitor to a psychic. But I remember, it's so funny, I still have the piece of paper, the psychic. This was before I was married. She said she was writing everything down. And she said. She said, your. Your husband is up in the air. And I was like, well, up in the air. Yeah, of course he's up in the air. Like, everyone's husband is like, up in the air if you're single.

[Blaine Alexander]

Right?

[Andrea Canning]

Like. And then I. I Ended up marrying a pilot.

[Blaine Alexander]

A pilot? Yes.

[Andrea Canning]

And that's amazing. He was up in the air.

[Blaine Alexander]

Isn't that funny? So it's always interesting to hear people's, you know, experiences with that.

[Andrea Canning]

Yeah. I'm glad we interviewed them. Cause we don't. We don't usually get to interview people. Psychics. And sometimes, like, police will, like, in this. Corporal Lydic was like, you know what? Any. Whatever helps at this point.

[Blaine Alexander]

Exactly. And why not at this point? Right. Like, nothing.

[Andrea Canning]

Why not? It can't hurt.

[Blaine Alexander]

So let's talk about the evidence. The bloody footprints at the scene. That. That was a big deal. They're brought up, of course, in the trial, the state calls the director of asics, the tennis shoe company.

[Andrea Canning]

Oh, yeah.

[Blaine Alexander]

To talk about the shoe. So imagine, first off, imagine you're ahead of ASICS and you get a subpoena to come testify in a murder trial. That had to have been shocking. Yeah.

[Andrea Canning]

That was interesting because those shoes were not available for purchase in the area. And then they, of course, they find out that Foley has ordered those shoes through, like a law enforcement type, you know, website, where you can, you know, I mean, what are the odds.

[Blaine Alexander]

What are the odds that you commit a crime and you're wearing these shoes that are so rare? He had to have been.

[Andrea Canning]

Yeah.

[Blaine Alexander]

Kicking himself for that one.

[Andrea Canning]

Right. And I'm going to use a pun. Gumshoe. Detective work at its best.

[Blaine Alexander]

Absolutely. It was. It was such a big piece of evidence, though. Corporal Lydic, she had some interesting instincts. The fingernails, she kind of kept them in an evidence refrigerator just because she thought maybe I should just hang on to these.

[Andrea Canning]

Well, I think it was that whole, you know, he's a state trooper.

[Blaine Alexander]

Yeah.

[Andrea Canning]

And she's being told not to interview him or Michelle.

[Blaine Alexander]

Yeah.

[Andrea Canning]

Which is just odd. That baffles me to this day. And also, apparently Trooper Foley would make comments like, you know, I wish he was dead, and.

[Blaine Alexander]

Yeah.

[Andrea Canning]

You know, and things like that. And they're going through a divorce. I mean, hello, that's the first place you look. So. So, you know, putting those. The fingernails, like, I think she just had that instinct. I think she was just nervous that given his connection to the state police, like, I'm going to keep these a little closer.

[Blaine Alexander]

So. Cyber genetics was also presented during the trial. They've been now used to kind of solve a plethora of cases. Right. But at the time, this was something that was really groundbreaking, this kind of DNA. Their technology showed that the DNA under John's fingernail had a 189 billion to one match to Kevin's DNA, and that was huge. That compares to the FBI's match of, like, 1 in 13,000.

[Andrea Canning]

Yeah, yeah. DNA is an investigator's best friend. Those fingernails just became everything.

[Blaine Alexander]

So we're going to hear a little bit more from Your interview with Dr. Mark Perlin, the chief scientific and executive officer at Cyber Genetics. He's talking here about how he defended his work in the courtroom.

[Andrea Canning]

Do you have that hesitation, though, of how am I going to convince these people? I'm a scientist. You know, it's a different animal going into a courtroom.

[Dr. Mark Perlin]

The Foley testimony happened in two stages. The first was a hearing where my only audience was a judge. And what I was armed with was scientific studies and metaphors and translating for the judge that the science predicted exactly what we found.

[Andrea Canning]

So the judge obviously agreed and allowed it into trial.

[Dr. Mark Perlin]

Yes.

[Andrea Canning]

A judge is one thing, a jury's another.

[Dr. Mark Perlin]

Correct. And so now the jury was 12 interested students as opposed to one.

[Andrea Canning]

Did you have any doubt that the DNA found under John Yelnick's fingernails belonged to Kevin Foley?

[Dr. Mark Perlin]

Mathematically, based on our studies, no.

[Andrea Canning]

You were convinced you had your man.

[Dr. Mark Perlin]

The chance of it not being him was so small, based on the match statistic, that it was not feasible.

[Andrea Canning]

Interesting.

[Blaine Alexander]

Yeah, very. You know, I think about DNA technology, and nowadays it's used all the time to solve cold cases, but just kind of hearing from him, I mean, that was really stunning when you talk about that level of certainty.

[Andrea Canning]

Yeah, absolutely. I mean, that's hard to get around. Yeah.

[Blaine Alexander]

The best evidence you have.

[Andrea Canning]

Yeah.

[Blaine Alexander]

So at the end, I mean, Kevin was sentenced to life in prison. And I think when we first started hearing about Kevin in this episode, we heard John's cousin say that she thought, hey, he's going to be a good influence on the kids. And one of John's friends even told you at some point that it was hard to see Kevin as the bad guy. I'm curious. Where did things go so wrong?

[Andrea Canning]

Well, something we see a lot and, you know, in these stories is where the. We'll just use mom as an example. The mom tells the new boyfriend that, you know, her ex is a monster and he's doing these horrible things. And a lot of times the mother will get the new boyfriend, new husband riled up.

[Blaine Alexander]

Right.

[Andrea Canning]

Like, he did these awful things. And that could be the case here. Doesn't excuse anything. Doesn't, you know, mean you can kill someone, but it certainly could get somebody fired up about another person.

[Blaine Alexander]

But there were no charges brought against Michelle.

[Andrea Canning]

Yeah. And I think that doesn't sit well with some people.

[Blaine Alexander]

What happened when, you know, you and our team reached out to her?

[Andrea Canning]

She, you know, did not want to talk to us. But I think for John's friends, they were upset. You know, they really felt like she got away scot free. That's their opinion.

[Blaine Alexander]

I could see how they could still feel some frustration there. Yeah. Let's talk real quick about John. You ended this story on a sad that I thought was just so beautifully poignant. I was actually watching this with Jay, my husband, and we were kind of doing our own things. He's listening and he hears the sound bite. His friend Dennis said if there was ever a person that I knew that deserved to die peacefully in bed surrounded by a loving family, it was John. And my husband goes, oh, like that. That says it all right. I mean, it really did. I think we all hope to be kind of spoken about that way.

[Andrea Canning]

Yeah. And he got anything but that, and that's not what he deserved.

[Blaine Alexander]

Okay. And after your break, we will be back here to answer some of your questions from social media.

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[Blaine Alexander]

We have some fun social media questions, and these are audio questions, which makes it all the more fun. Here's Ali from X, formerly Twitter. And here's what she wanted to know. Is there a case or mystery that you wish DATELINE would cover but hasn't yet?

[Andrea Canning]

Hmm.

[Blaine Alexander]

Well, we usually do a lot of them.

[Andrea Canning]

We do. Yeah, we do a lot of them. There's one case that I would like to do. Olivia Lone Bear. She is an indigenous woman that we talked about on an episode that I did. She was found in a lake in her car in the passenger seat. And that case has gone unsolved. But I would like to do that as a full date line. Yeah. And I would like to see it solved.

[Blaine Alexander]

Yeah, absolutely. You know, if there's one that comes to my mind very, very different from our typical Dateline, who killed Tupac? Who killed Tupac? And Biggie? I would love to see that.

[Andrea Canning]

Isn't somebody behind bars for.

[Blaine Alexander]

For Tupac?

[Andrea Canning]

Yes, for Tupac.

[Blaine Alexander]

But there's still a lot, a lot of unanswered questions about it. And I think it can make a great. I mean, there are so many twists and turns in that story. And then the Biggie case, you know, as long as we're bringing out undate lined cases, that would be an interesting one. Those would make good episodes. So we've got another one. This is from Instagram. This is Haviva Gordon Bennett with a question.

[Haviva Gordon Bennett]

I just got done listening to an episode of Talking Dateline. It was Keith Morrison, who I love, and Josh Mankiewicz, who I also love. They were trying to be funny with each other. Like, Keith Morrison called Josh like an infidel. And Josh was like, yep, totally an infidel. But there was like so many moments of that. It felt really like almost like, do they really not get along or do they get along? Are they frenemies? It was an interesting back and forth, and now I'm not sure. And I want Andrea Canning to chime in and, like, let me know if they're actual frenemies.

[Andrea Canning]

That was a great question. No, I can absolutely tell you that they are friends and they love ribbing each other and they love, you know, getting into these conversations with each other. And I've been around them so many times, and I have never seen anything but love between those two.

[Blaine Alexander]

And only Josh and Keith. Right. Like, they're the only ones who can, who can do that. And it's hilarious. I love it. No, that's a fun question. Thank you for that. Well, Andrea, I think that's it for talking dateline. We've talked a lot. It's been great to talk with you.

[Andrea Canning]

We have Blaine, thank you.

[Blaine Alexander]

Of course. Thank you. And thanks everyone for listening. You can judge for yourself the state of Keith and Josh's relationship next week when they go head to head on the next Talking dateline to discuss Keith's all new episode airing this Friday on NBC at 9, 8 Central. And it's a good one. So remember, if you have any questions for them or the DATELINE team about any of our stories or just tips on other cases you think we should cover, reach out to us on social at Dateline NBC or send an audio message for your chance to be featured right here on Talking Dateline. And of course, we will see you Fridays on DATELINE on NBC.

[Haviva Gordon Bennett]

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