The Adelson children take the stand. A missing woman's husband is arrested. And a deep dive on DNA.

Summary

Dateline NBC: The Adelson Children Take the Stand, A Missing Woman’s Husband Arrested, and A Deep Dive on DNA

Host: Blaine Alexander (filling in for Andrea Canning)
Date: August 28, 2025

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Overview

This episode of Dateline True Crime Weekly delivers three compelling segments:

• Major developments in the Donna Adelson murder trial, with her children Wendy and Rob taking the stand.
• An update and arrest in the case of missing California mother Nikki McCain.
• A thorough exploration of the role and reliability of DNA in criminal investigations.

Guest voices include Dateline producers Brad Davis and Veronica Mazzeca, local reporter Blake Mayfield, and former prosecutor Melba Pearson.

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Segment 1: The Adelson Murder Trial — Family on the Stand

00:56 – 10:56

Key Points

• Donna Adelson, 75, is on trial in Florida, accused of orchestrating the 2014 murder of her daughter Wendy’s ex-husband, FSU professor Dan Markel.
• Four people (including Donna’s son, Charlie) have already been convicted. Donna pleads not guilty.
• This week’s bombshell: both Wendy and her estranged brother Rob testified, giving the public their first look into the Adelson family’s internal dynamics.

Notable Testimony and Courtroom Insights

Wendy Adelson’s Testimony

• Poised on the stand: As a lawyer, Wendy “knows what to say and how to be careful” ([04:03], Brad Davis).
• Painted as central to family motive: Prosecution focused on Donna's deep involvement and animosity toward Dan Markel during Wendy's divorce.
  • Direct questioning on disparaging language:
    • Veronica Mazzeca: “Did your mom ever call Dan Markel any disparaging names around this time frame?”
    • Wendy: “She did.”
    • List of insults confirmed: “piece of shit,” “asshole,” “narcissist,” “bully,” “bastard” ([05:00–05:19]).
• Defense counters: Donna as “a very loving mother and mother-in-law.” Noted that Donna babysat and baked Dan's favorite banana bread the week before his death ([05:46–06:06]).
• Complex portrait: Defense leans on Donna’s continued support and acts of kindness to suggest lack of malice.

Rob Adelson’s Testimony (First Appearance)

• Rob’s role: The oldest sibling, an ENT doctor living in New York, estranged from the family. Very “nervous” on the stand, focused on the prosecutor ([06:24–06:54]).
• Describes family as controlled by Donna:
  • Veronica: “Who’s the leader in the family, who tends to run the show?”
  • Rob: “I think my mom.” ([07:28–07:39])
  • Personality: “more on the controlling side.”
• Donna’s relationship with Dan deteriorated: Initially fine, later, “she hated him” ([08:20–08:28]).
• Rob’s shock and Donna’s lack of emotion after Dan’s death:
  • “She had said, you know, I don't care. It doesn't concern me.” ([08:37–08:54])
• Donna discouraged Rob from talking to law enforcement:
  • “She said, oh, well, you don't know anything anyway.” ([09:40–09:44])
• After arrests of the hitmen: Donna avoided discussing it and hung up when Rob broached the subject; that was their last substantive conversation ([09:58–10:43]).

Key Quotes

• Wendy (confirming disparaging names):
  “She did... Yes. Asshole? Yes. A narcissist? Yes. A bully? Yes.” ([05:00–05:17])
• Rob on his mother:
  “I think more on the controlling side.” ([07:47])
• Rob on Donna’s reaction to Dan’s death:
  “She had said, you know, I don't care. It doesn't concern me.” ([08:54])
• Donna’s advice regarding law enforcement:
  “You don't know anything anyway.” ([09:40])

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Segment 2: The Arrest of Nikki McCain’s Husband

12:42 – 20:24

Background

• Nikki McCain: 39, mother of four, missing from Redding, CA.
• Husband Tyler McCain: Arrested after months as a person of interest, despite no body being found — “the first time in Shasta county history they're trying to get someone for a murder charge with no body” ([01:36], [19:08]).

Key Discussion Points

• Documented history of domestic violence:
  • In 2023, Nikki reported being beaten and restrained with tape for hours.
  • Tyler denied violence; claimed Nikki’s injuries were from a fight with another woman ([15:10–15:33]).
  • Nikki was pressured by Tyler to recant allegations ([16:01]).
• Physical evidence:
  • Nikki’s truck had the odor of decomposition; a bloody sheet tested positive for her blood, and Tyler’s DNA was found in the vehicle ([17:45]).
  • Nikki’s burned driver’s license was found after Tyler was pulled over ([18:25]).
• Reported confession:
  • DA’s office cites a confidential informant who stated Tyler admitted to murdering Nikki ([18:39]).
• Prosecutors allege motive:
  • Tyler murdered Nikki to prevent her from testifying on domestic violence charges, leading to an enhancement that increases potential sentence to life without parole ([19:24–19:48]).

Notable Quotes

• Blake Mayfield (describing the abuse):
  “He held her down, taped her ankles and wrists together, put tape over her mouth, proceeded to beat and hit her for three hours after that.” ([15:10])
• DA statement:
  “It is our belief that Tyler McCain murdered his wife, Nikki McCain, to prevent her from testifying in the domestic violence case.” ([19:24])

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Segment 3: Roundup — Kayaker Fakes Death, Cardi B Trial, and Maxwell/Jeffrey Epstein Updates

22:30 – 28:42

Kayaker Faked Own Death

• Ryan Borgwardt: Faked drowning; resurfaced in Eastern Europe to meet a woman he met online.
• Charged with obstructing an officer for misleading police using a VPN.
• Sentenced to 89 days in jail: One for each day he was missing ([23:49]).
• Marriage ended in divorce upon his return.

Cardi B Civil Trial

• Allegation: Assault on security guard Imani Ellis in Beverly Hills medical building, 2018.
• Ellis’s account: Cardi B accused her of leaking pregnancy news, scratched her cheek, spit on her ([24:36]).
• Cardi B’s defense: Admits a verbal altercation but denies physical contact ([25:30–25:48]).

Ghislaine Maxwell Updates

• Audio/transcript released from Maxwell’s interview with DOJ.
• Maxwell denies existence of a “black book” or client list of people trafficked by Epstein ([26:42]).
• Maxwell admits partly to recruiting masseuses ([27:24]).
• Family of Virginia Roberts Giuffre (vocal Epstein accuser who died by suicide) calls release of tapes “outrageous” and a platform for Maxwell to “rewrite history” ([27:58]).
• Giuffre’s memoir, Nobody’s Girl, to be released posthumously ([28:25]).

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Segment 4: A Deep Dive on DNA in Criminal Investigations

28:46 – 33:07

Guest: Melba Pearson, former prosecutor, Chair of ABA Criminal Justice Section

Collection Methods

• Police can ask for DNA (consent), obtain via warrant, or take DNA from discarded items (water bottle, pen, etc.).
• Convicted individuals may be automatically swabbed, depending on state law.
• DNA from genealogy databases can be accessed with a warrant.

Limitations and Misconceptions

• DNA is not infallible: There may be mixed samples (multiple contributors), consensual contact prior to crime, or DNA transfer without involvement in the crime.
• Emphasizes:
  • “DNA cannot be the only thing you're walking into the courtroom with.” ([32:41])

Notable Quotes

• “Once you throw something out, the courts have very clearly said it's no longer yours... Law enforcement can come right behind you... take it to the lab.” ([30:30])
• “While DNA is great in terms of identification purposes, DNA cannot be the only thing...” ([32:41])

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Memorable Moments

• The weight of family testimony: Rob Adelson’s estrangement and careful, detailed answers gave unprecedented insight into the Adelson family’s possible motives and dynamics — “You could sort of hear a pin drop” during his testimony ([06:54]).
• DA’s bold step: Shasta County pursues a murder conviction with no body, bolstered by powerful forensic and informant evidence.
• DNA’s double-edged sword: The episode smartly ends with nuance—reminding listeners that DNA, so often the dramatic clincher in true crime, is never the whole story.

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Timestamps for Important Segments

• Adelson trial coverage: 01:18 – 10:56
• Nikki McCain update: 12:42 – 20:24
• Roundup (Kayaker, Cardi B, Maxwell/Epstein): 22:30 – 28:42
• Deep Dive on DNA with Melba Pearson: 28:46 – 33:07

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Final Thoughts

The August 28, 2025, episode of Dateline True Crime Weekly is a rich, multidimensional look at high-profile crime stories, featuring gripping courtroom revelations, domestic violence advocacy, legal analysis, and cultural commentary. The real-life drama of the Adelson family stands out, as does the cautious optimism and realism around forensics and justice in America’s crime narrative.

Transcript

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[Blaine Alexander]

How are you?

[Brad Davis]

Good.

[Blake Mayfield]

Last week of summer, though.

[Brad Davis]

Yes, not technically, but effectively.

[Blaine Alexander]

It's time for dateline's morning meeting. Our editorial team is discussing breaking crime news.

[Veronica Mazzeca]

He had been following her and she was completely unaware they might still be in Bois Deere.

[Blaine Alexander]

And tomorrow she has a hearing on her other case.

[Veronica Mazzeca]

They waited months before they realized she was really missing.

[Blaine Alexander]

Welcome to DATELINE True Crime weekly. I'm Blaine Alexander filling in today for Andrea Canning. It's August 28th and here's what's on our docket. In Northern California, after giving a bizarre press conference about his missing wife, her husband is arrested for her murder.

[Blake Mayfield]

It's the first time in Shasta county history they're trying to get someone for a murder charge with no body.

[Blaine Alexander]

In DATELINE Roundup, the kayaker who faked his own death faces sentencing. And rap star Cardi B appears in a Los Angeles courtroom as a civil defendant. We'll bring you the latest on what she had to say in her own defense.

[Veronica Mazzeca]

She really doubled down on it being just a verbal altercation, nothing physical.

[Blaine Alexander]

Plus, you've seen investigators asking suspects for DNA samples and DATELINE episodes. A former prosecutor breaks down why this is often detectives best tool, but it's not always foolproof.

[Melba Pearson]

DNA cannot be the only thing you're walking into the courtroom with.

[Blaine Alexander]

But before all of that, at the murder trial of Florida grandmother Donna Adelen, one of the most anticipated witnesses takes the standard her oldest son. Nearly two years after she was arrested, Donna Adelson's trial is now in its second week. The 75 year old grandmother is charged with helping to orchestrate the 2014 killing of her daughter Wendy's ex husband, FSU professor Dan Markell. Markell was shot in the head by two hitmen in his driveway. And four people have already been convicted for their roles in the crime, including Donna's son Charlie. Donna adelson has pleaded not guilty to charges of first degree murder, conspiracy, and solicitation.

[Veronica Mazzeca]

The defendant said that she would never, never, never give up and never stop fighting for Wendy and the boys to be relocated to Miami. And she never did.

[Blaine Alexander]

The defense then countered that there is no direct proof that Donna Adelson was ever involved. This case is really a lot about theory and motive and not evidence. This week, as testimony ramped up, the dynamics of the Adelson family took center stage. Daughter Wendy and rob, the Adelson son, who is estranged from the family, both took the stand. Dateline producer Brad Davis was in the courtroom as their dramatic testimony unfolded and is here now to break down everything that happened in that testimony. Bradley, thanks so much for joining us.

[Brad Davis]

Oh, glad to be here.

[Blaine Alexander]

This is certainly a lot to talk about, so let's jump right in. Okay. So Wendy took the stand first. Now, what's notable about this, this is her fourth time testifying in six years. When we heard her on the stand, I mean, what was her demeanor like? What were some of the things that she said?

[Brad Davis]

Yeah, I mean, she's very poised on the stand, and she's a lawyer herself, so she really knows what to say and, and how to be careful and when she speaks. And the prosecution explained to the jury that she was testifying under state subpoena and that she had a form of what's called use immunity, where what she said on the stand could not be used against her later in a court of law. But that doesn't mean that she can't be later prosecuted related to this case. The prosecution wanted her to help paint a picture of her family, and they wanted to show that Donna adelson was deeply involved in the divorce proceedings, you know, all the motions going back and forth.

[Blaine Alexander]

And they also wanted to show. Right. How much Donna apparently disliked Dan.

[Brad Davis]

Yeah. They went through all of these documents, all these emails, all these texts from Donna to Wendy, and you get a lot of, like, really nasty comments that Donna makes about Dan Markel, her former son in law, at that point.

[Veronica Mazzeca]

Did your mom ever call Dan Markel any disparaging names around this time frame? She did. Okay. Including piece of shit? Yes. Asshole? Yes. A narcissist? Yes. A bully? Yes.

[Melba Pearson]

A bastard?

[Veronica Mazzeca]

Yes.

[Blaine Alexander]

So certainly the prosecution painted one picture of everything. But when it came time for cross examination, how did Donna's defense team try to counter the prosecution's case here?

[Brad Davis]

Yeah, the defense portrays Donna, as, you know, very loving mother and very loving mother in law, that she really had no animus. You know, she would do things for Dan. She would help with the kids, help him out with the kids. Even as Wendy and Dan were, you know, were divorced.

[Blaine Alexander]

Testified that your mother hated Danny at the time that he was killed. But the week before he died, your mother was babysitting for Danny, wasn't she?

[Veronica Mazzeca]

Yes.

[Blaine Alexander]

And in fact, she actually made him banana bread, specifically the way he liked it. Right.

[Veronica Mazzeca]

It was his favorite.

[Blaine Alexander]

Without nuts, but with chocolate chips.

[Veronica Mazzeca]

That's right.

[Blaine Alexander]

The next witness in all of this was someone that a lot of people have been waiting to hear from for quite a long time. And that's the third Adelson sibling, Rob. Now, he has never testified at any of the earlier trials, so this is really the first time we're hearing from him. But before we get to his testimony, Brad, just kind of tell us a little bit about Rob.

[Brad Davis]

Yeah. Rob Adelson is the oldest of the three Adelson kids. He is an ent. An ear, nose and throat doctor. And he lives up in New York. He does not live anywhere near Florida where the. The Adelsons have lived. You could tell he was very nervous on the stand. He tried to look really not at Donna, not at anyone in the courtroom. I mean, he was very careful to just focus on the prosecutor when he was talking.

[Blaine Alexander]

I'm curious, what was the mood in the courtroom while he was testifying?

[Brad Davis]

Yeah, I mean, when Rob was testifying, you could sort of hear a pen drop. Because this is someone that we have never heard from in this case. You know, someone who has really been very reluctant to speak to media or anything. And we're finally hearing him, and the jury, you know, seemed very wrapped with attention as he was speaking.

[Blaine Alexander]

Let's talk about the picture that Rob painted of the Adelson household growing up.

[Brad Davis]

Yeah, he talks about his family, that basically his mom, Donna, was really in control of a lot of things and she would get involved in her kids lives to an extent that, you know, was maybe to him unhealthy at times.

[Veronica Mazzeca]

Based on your personal observations throughout your life of your parents and of your siblings, who's the leader in the family, who tends to run the show?

[Brad Davis]

I think my mom.

[Veronica Mazzeca]

Would you describe Donna Adelson's personality as being more controlling or more laid back?

[Brad Davis]

I think more on the controlling side. Rob said Charlie to him is sort of the middle child who's sort of the ne' er do. Well, Wendy is the youngest. You know, she's the one that Donna has to take care of and make sure she's all okay.

[Blaine Alexander]

And of course, the prosecution asked Rob about Donna's relationship with Dan Markle. What did Rob have to say about the interaction between those two on the stand?

[Brad Davis]

Rob said initially it seemed like everything, that Donna had no issues with Dan. But as the divorce, you know, began and got underway, she got really angry with Dan.

[Veronica Mazzeca]

And how did Donna Adelson feel about dan Markell in 2014?

[Brad Davis]

I mean, she hated him.

[Blaine Alexander]

And Rob was also asked about his interactions with his mother surrounding Dan Markle's death. He said that she was the one who essentially broke the news to him.

[Brad Davis]

Yeah, that's right. I mean, he said he got a call from her that right when it happened, and he was in shock. He couldn't believe what had happened. But he says his mother was, you know, not that emotional. On the phone speaking with him. She had said, you know, I don't care. It doesn't concern me.

[Veronica Mazzeca]

Was that out of character for her to not be curious and not be asking some questions?

[Brad Davis]

Yeah, I mean, it was. It was an unsolved murder of, you know, my former brother in law, like someone that we, we all know very well. If it was like some neighborhood gossip, people would be interested. This was like national interest. And nobody had any curiosity about, you know, who did this to Danny and Brad.

[Blaine Alexander]

This is certainly interesting. There was one portion in there where Rob testified that Donna told him not to talk to law enforcement.

[Brad Davis]

Yeah. Rob said that the FBI came to talk with him up in New York, and he obliged and told them what he could. And then he got a call from his mother.

[Veronica Mazzeca]

Did you let her know that you'd already. You already had talked to law enforcement?

[Brad Davis]

Yes, I already did.

[Veronica Mazzeca]

What did she say to that?

[Brad Davis]

She said, oh, well, you don't know anything anyway.

[Veronica Mazzeca]

You don't. You don't know anything anyway.

[Brad Davis]

Correct.

[Blaine Alexander]

And then the prosecution moved forward a bit to May of 2016. That's when the two hitmen were arrested. This was a very compelling piece of testimony. Brad, what did Rob have to say about what happened next?

[Brad Davis]

Yeah, he said that he was truly shocked when he heard that they were arrested and then made. And so he was like waiting for his parents to call him to say, you know, that these arrests. And he. He didn't hear from them, but he knew he was going to talk to them two days later because his anniversary was coming up. So his mother did call and they talked about little things, small talk, and they never brought up these arrests. So I finally broached the topic and said they found the guy. They arrested someone who killed Danny. There's no response. And I said it at least two or three times, and her response was, I've got to go.

[Veronica Mazzeca]

And then did she hang up the phone after that?

[Brad Davis]

Yes.

[Veronica Mazzeca]

Other than, you know, her reaching out for happy birthdays, happy anniversaries, that kind of thing. Was that the last conversation you had with her?

[Brad Davis]

That was the last time I spoke to her.

[Veronica Mazzeca]

Okay, that's all. Thank you.

[Blaine Alexander]

We know that the prosecution is continuing to present their case. And of course, we will keep having you back on Brad to break down every twist and turn that comes out of the courtroom. Thank you so much.

[Brad Davis]

Glad to be here. Thank you.

[Blaine Alexander]

Coming up, after a mother of four disappeared in Redding, California, her sisters urged police to take a closer look at her husband. Now there's been an arrest in the case.

[Narrator/Announcer]

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[Blaine Alexander]

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[Brad Davis]

We miss you. I don't really know what to say. I haven't been in the public eyes, and I'm just here in support. So anything that I can do, I want to do that.

[Blaine Alexander]

The people in that room knew that there was something Tyler wasn't saying. Before Nikki disappeared, her husband Tyler had been indicted on four counts of domestic violence for allegedly assaulting her. Charges that had been dropped by the prosecutor after Nikki vanished, leading to protests outside of the county courthouse. Justice for Nikki is what we're looking for, and that's what we shall receive. Nikki's three sisters took it upon themselves to keep attention on her case, including by talking to DATELINE last summer for our online series Missing in America.

[Veronica Mazzeca]

I know that there are a lot of people who know something, but maybe they just might be afraid to say something.

[Blaine Alexander]

And then late last week, the family finally got some answers. Even without finding Nikki's body, The Shasta County DA charged Tyler McCain with his wife's murder. Action News NOW reporter Blake Mayfield has been following this case closely. He joins us now to tell us how prosecutors got to an indictment here and what they're revealing to the public about this investigation. Blake, thank you so much for joining us. We're so glad to have you today.

[Blake Mayfield]

Yeah, thank you for having me.

[Blaine Alexander]

I want to start by just talking about who Nikki was. Our digital team did a really great interview with her sisters, but tell us a little bit about what her life was like in Reading.

[Blake Mayfield]

She and raised in Reading. Reading lifer, if you will. Homemaker, had four kids, 39 years old when she disappeared.

[Blaine Alexander]

Now, according to her sisters and the DA's account of the county's investigation, the marriage started getting violent around 2020. Tyler was arrested for domestic violence in 2023. So, Blake, what do we know about.

[Blake Mayfield]

That incident and the sheriff's complaint? The reporting officer said that when he met Nikki at Mercy Hospital, she had two black eyes and other injuries to her head and face. She had told the officer that Tyler had come home extremely agitated, was not making any sense. He held her down, taped her ankles and wrists together, put tape over her mouth, proceeded to be right and hit her for three hours after that.

[Blaine Alexander]

Three hours.

[Blake Mayfield]

Pretty, pretty rough, pretty violent stuff. Nikki had told the officer there at Mercy that Tyler had done this type of thing before, but it never been that bad. Never to that extent. Tyler Told the officer he didn't strike Nikki in any way. He told the officer that he thought she got in fight with another woman, and that's why she had the marks and the black eyes and all that. He pleaded not guilty to the felony charges, and he was scheduled to go to court on June 3rd. And that's actually just a little over two weeks after Nikki disappeared.

[Blaine Alexander]

Wow. Those are. I mean, we just need to pause and say those are some heavy allegations against Tyler that. That she made. Her sisters told us that Tyler had been asking Nikki to recant some of those allegations against him. She told us she was very upset because what he did was ambushed her with his attorney and tried to get her to tell his attorney that none of that happened, and she made it up. The press release that the shasta county d. A. Put out last week references these alleged efforts by Tyler saying, quote, detectives also determined that Tyler McCain made multiple attempts to dissuade Nikki from testifying in connection with a domestic violence incident. What do we know about that? I mean, is there any evidence?

[Blake Mayfield]

I know that she did not ask the county to drop the charges against Tyler.

[Blaine Alexander]

And dateline has reached out to both Tyler McCain and his attorney. We've not yet heard back from either of them. But, Blake, what do we know about the investigation into Nikki's disappearance?

[Blake Mayfield]

Yeah, until last week, investigators and the district attorney's office never said publicly that they suspected foul play or that Tyler was even an official suspect. They did appear to have him on their radar from the get go. The couple's house was searched just a couple days after she went missing. Investigators found a firearm, A large capacity magazine ammunition. There was a protective order against him related to prior felony domestic violence charges to where he wasn't supposed to have anything like a large capacity magazine. So he. He got a charge for that one. The week after that, he forged Nikki signature to cash an IRS refund check. And that's all we knew about the investigation.

[Blaine Alexander]

Was there anything that they found that pointed to possible violence toward Nikki? Any evidence to that effect?

[Blake Mayfield]

Yes. This is all new information from the DA's office. We had no idea of any of these details until last week. Nikki's Chevy avalanche was found about a week after she was last heard from. And authorities say they smell an overwhelming odor of decomposition. The truck bed had a white sheet with blood stains on it. Investigators did confirm that the blood on the sheet was Nikki's, and they confirmed the primary source of the rest of the DNA in that car was indeed Tyler's. So that was a Part of the investigation as early as May of last year, in April of this year, Tyler was pulled over for throwing things out of the window of his truck. And one of the things that authorities found was actually Nikki's driver's license that had been partially burned.

[Blaine Alexander]

There's one more thing here, Blake, that was kind of buried in the DA's press release, but it is a very striking and notable detail. Tyler, according to the DA's office, actually admitted to killing Nikki at some point.

[Blake Mayfield]

Yeah, yeah, that's what she said in her press conference. She said that a confidential informant told detectives that Tyler admitted to killing Nikki. So that could have been over a year ago, it could have been three months ago, it could have been in March.

[Blaine Alexander]

But just to kind of punctuated. I mean, that is a major update.

[Blake Mayfield]

Very, very much so. It's something I didn't expect to hear.

[Blaine Alexander]

I'm curious, Blake, during her press conference, did she at all mention or address this kind of growing public frustration with just how long it's taken to bring an indictment in this?

[Blake Mayfield]

Da? Stephanie Bridgie said this last week, it's the first time in Shasta county history they're trying to get someone for a murder charge with no body. The DA pointed out that her office and law enforcement partners have been, you know, gathering evidence since May of last year. She is going to bring back all the charges she dismissed last July against Tyler.

[Veronica Mazzeca]

Now, it may have appeared that McCain had gotten away with domestic violence charges, and I understand your frustration at that time, but as you can see, we filed an enhancement to the murder charge for murder with intent to prevent testimony. It is our belief that Tyler McCain murdered his wife, Nikki McCain, to prevent her from testifying in the domestic violence case.

[Blake Mayfield]

Yeah. So this enhancement actually changes the sentence that he'd be facing significantly. He's now looking at life without parole, and he also cannot get out on bail. While waiting for his trial to start.

[Blaine Alexander]

He entered a plea of not guilty at his arraignment. You were there in the courtroom that day. What was the mood like there? What was Tyler Miller's demeanor when he entered that not guilty plea, full courtroom?

[Blake Mayfield]

You know, it's going to be. It's one of the most high profile cases, not only in Shasta county, but it feels like, I mean, I'm talking a Dateline. Truthfully, I didn't really get a good look at him. His attorney did a really good job of standing in front of him.

[Blaine Alexander]

Well, Blake, it is a very disturbing case. Thank you so much for joining us. To break it all down.

[Blake Mayfield]

And I appreciate you guys having me on.

[Blaine Alexander]

If you or someone you know is experiencing domestic violence, you can always call the National Domestic Violence Hotline. That number is 1-800-799-7233. Or visit the website thehotline.org for more resources. Up next, it's time for DATELINE Roundup. Rapper Cardi B is on civil trial in California for an alleged assault. And what happened to the Wisconsin man who faked his own death to start a new life in Europe? We've got an update. Plus, when investigators collect suspects DNA, we'll tell you what you need to know.

[Narrator/Announcer]

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[Blaine Alexander]

That's why you wreck. Hi, everyone. Welcome back. Joining us this week for our roundup is DATELINE digital producer Veronica Mazeka. Veronica, hi.

[Veronica Mazzeca]

Hi, Blaine.

[Blaine Alexander]

Veronica, thanks so much for joining us today. We certainly have a lot to break down. So first to start, we're heading to Wisconsin for an update in the case of Ryan Borgwardt, the married father of three who authorities say faked his own death last year by pretending to drown while kayaking in a local lake. Now, after searching the lake for weeks, police found Borgward alive and well in Eastern Europe, where they say that he went to meet a woman that he'd met online. This is really quite a twisted case, Veronica. So what's the latest here?

[Veronica Mazzeca]

Yeah. So Borgward voluntarily returned to the U. S. Last December. He was taken into custody, and then he was charged with obstructing an officer. The allegation is that once police discovered Borgwart was alive and made contact with him, they say he deliberately misled them about his location by using a VPN while browsing the Internet, thereby obstructing their investigation. Borgwart was finally sentenced on Tuesday after pleading guilty to that charge.

[Blaine Alexander]

And what kind of a sentence did he receive?

[Veronica Mazzeca]

The judge sentenced Borgwart to 89 days in county jail, one day for each of the days. Borgwart's whereabouts were unknown by law enforcement.

[Blaine Alexander]

89 days in jail. So that's the legal penalty. I'm curious, Veronica. What became of his marriage? What happened with his family that he deceived all this time?

[Veronica Mazzeca]

So when he returned to the US his wife did file for divorce.

[Blaine Alexander]

For our next story, let's move out to California, where we switch gears and we focus on a civil trial instead of a criminal one. And it involves a name that many of us are familiar with, rapper Cardi B, whose legal name is Bella Khalis Almanzar. She's on trial this week for allegedly assaulting a female security guard. Guard inside a Beverly Hills medical building in 2018. So what is the plaintiff saying happened here?

[Veronica Mazzeca]

So the plaintiff, Imani Ellis, took the stand Monday. She claimed that she was conducting routine rounds as a security guard when she saw Cardi B exit an elevator outside of an obstetrician's office. She testified that she said, wow, that's Cardi B. After which she alleges Cardi B got in her face and accused her of spreading the news of the rapper's pregnancy, which was a secret at the time. Via her phone, she says that Cardi B yelled obscenities at her, cut her cheek with her fingernail, and then spit on her.

[Blaine Alexander]

Now, Cardi's lawyer is actually presenting a completely different story in his opening, though, right?

[Veronica Mazzeca]

Yes. So Cardi B's lawyer, Peter Anderson, said that the rapper caught Ellis filming and photographing her. He does admit that his client used strong language and yelled, but never touched Ellis.

[Blaine Alexander]

You know, I think a lot of us are wondering, what does Cardi B have to say about all of this? Veronica? We actually heard from her on Tuesday. Tuesday, yeah.

[Veronica Mazzeca]

So she really doubled down on it being just a verbal altercation, nothing physical.

[Blake Mayfield]

When you say there was a verbal altercation, yes.

[Brad Davis]

Do you know what the Word altercation.

[Blaine Alexander]

Means like a conflict, like a fight, right?

[Veronica Mazzeca]

It was, yeah, it was like a.

[Blaine Alexander]

Verbal fight, but it was. It didn't get physical at all.

[Brad Davis]

Am I when I'm talking to you now, are we having a verbal altercation?

[Blaine Alexander]

We haven't. We'll see a debate. A lot of people know Cardi b for her personality. It sounds like it was coming out on the stand there, too. And finally, we're diving into some updates in the case of Ghislaine Maxwell, convicted sex trafficker and former girlfriend of also convicted sex trafficker and disgraced New York financier Jeffrey Epstein. As I'm sure many of our listeners will remember, last month, Deputy Attorney General Todd Blanche sat down with Maxwell in a rather unprecedented interview and questioned her about Epstein's crimes as well as her own. And last week, the DOJ released the audio and transcripts of that two day interview. So, Veronica, a lot of people, of course, have been talking about this. What is the key takeaway that you've garnered from the release of this audio?

[Veronica Mazzeca]

So, as we know, there's been a lot of buzz about a possible black book or client list that allegedly has the names of powerful individuals that Epstein trafficked young girls to. But according to Maxwell, that list doesn't actually ex.

[Blaine Alexander]

And Ghislaine Maxwell also answered some questions about her own involvement.

[Brad Davis]

There's a ton of writing and a ton of, I guess, testimony as well, but also public reporting about how the recruiting was a very aggressive effort that you were part of, that he was a part of, and others to try to find more and more masseuses. What is that? Is that true and what role did you have in that?

[Veronica Mazzeca]

That is partially true. Okay, so it is true that I found masseuses, and in my effort to find them, I would go to massage spas, like legitimate spas.

[Blaine Alexander]

And one of Epstein and Maxwell's most vocal accusers was a woman named Virginia Roberts Giuffre. She claims to have been recruited by Maxwell at President Trump's spa in Mar a Lago more than two decades ago. Giuffre died by suicide earlier this year. And now her family had a very strong reaction to the release of those tapes. Veronica, what did they have to say about this?

[Veronica Mazzeca]

Yeah, so they said that they were, quote, outraged by the release of the audio and transcripts as it gives Maxwell a, quote, platform to rewrite history. They said that the transcripts directly contradict the conviction Maxwell got for child sex trafficking.

[Blaine Alexander]

It had to have just been difficult for them to hear this and almost kind of relive all of this so soon after her death. And there is more news, Veronica, about Giuffre this week as well.

[Veronica Mazzeca]

That's right. We learned that she was writing a memoir at the time of her death and it will be released posthumously in October. It's called Nobody's Girl.

[Blaine Alexander]

I'm sure a lot of people will be very interested to read that book. All right, Veronica, thank you so much for your expertise as always. We appreciate you.

[Veronica Mazzeca]

Thank you.

[Blaine Alexander]

You've seen it time and again on dateline. The moment when law enforcement asks someone to give a sample of their DNA. Matching that sample to DNA left at the crime scene can make or break it investigation. But DNA isn't always collected at the police station. Take the recent case of Tony Hayes. He was accused and acquitted of a 33 year old double murder after investigators took a sample of his DNA from a pen that he used while at a traffic stop, which was a point of contention during his trial. It made us here at DATELINE want to find out more about the collection of DNA, how it works, what the process looks like when it's allowed and just any other nuances when it comes to this topic. So joining us now is former prosecutor Melba Pearson. She's the chair of the American Bar Association's Criminal justice section. Melba, thanks so much for joining us today. It's great to have you.

[Melba Pearson]

Thank you so much for having me. Really looking forward to the discussion.

[Blaine Alexander]

Me too. So, Melba, let's talk about actually getting DNA from a potential suspect. Usually we talk about gathering DNA through a cheek swab or hair. Is there specific training for that?

[Melba Pearson]

Yeah. So officers definitely have that as part of their training. They know the basics on how to collect DNA. Right. So that's important to note. But in terms of how DNA can be obtained, first off, consent. So the police officer, the detective asks you, hi, can I have a sample of your DNA? We're trying to eliminate people in this particular investigation and you can say yes or no. If you say yes, moves forward. If you say no. Now it's up to the detective to go and get a warrant. Now, other ways that DNA could be obtained if you are convicted of a crime, and it varies by state, but as a general premise, you will be swabbed for your DNA even if you're not going to prison. Also, the way that has been very interesting in terms of a lot of discussion is the discarded DNA, because once you throw something out, the courts have very clearly said it's no longer yours. So if you take a sip from a water bottle, and then you chuck it in the garbage. Law enforcement can come right behind you, pick up that bottle, bag it, the whole thing, take it to the lab, have it tested, and then that could be used as a sample against maybe an existing sample in a particular case. And then the last way that DNA can come into play is the whole idea of genetic genealogy. And so you upload your DNA sample to 23andMe, Ancestry.com, whatever the case may be, law enforcement may be able to get access to that database through the use of a warrant. And if there's a match, then what they're looking at is this may be someone's who is related to the target of this investigation. So let's try to figure out, is this a cousin, is this a brother, is this a sister? And you backtrack from there.

[Blaine Alexander]

So, Melba, before we go any further, let's just kind of level set here, because I do think that it's easy to look at, you know, cases where DNA is involved and just say, okay, great, we got DNA. It's a match. Boom, the case is solved. This person's going to prison. But it's not always that cut and dry.

[Melba Pearson]

Yes, absolutely. So there's so many different permutations in terms of how this can go. Right. There's this scenario where it could be a mixture, so you can't tell conclusively. You know, it might be two or three different people that are involved in that one sample. We call those contributors. It could be more than one contributor to that particular sample. That doesn't exactly necessarily give you clarity on who the person is that committed the crime. So there's that. Also, you can have DNA, and it can be from a consensual encounter. So, for instance, we've seen many times in so many cases, especially involving a sexual assault, where the person who might be the main suspect, their DNA is found on the victim, and they're like, listen, we had a consensual encounter earlier that day, an hour before. And when I left the person, they were fine. They were still alive. How do you get around that argument? Right. So while DNA is great in terms of identification purposes, DNA cannot be the only thing. Thing you're walking into the courtroom with.

[Blaine Alexander]

This is such a fascinating discussion. We could go on and on. Melba Pearson, chair of ABA's criminal justice section, thank you so much for joining us today. I really appreciate it.

[Melba Pearson]

Thank you for having me, Blaine.

[Blaine Alexander]

And that's it for this episode of Dateline, True Crime Weekly. To get ad free listening. For all of our podcasts, subscribe to DATELINE Premium. Coming up this Friday on dateline, we have a classic Andrea Cannon episode. When young mother Kelsey Barreth went missing On Thanksgiving Day 2018, investigators relied on a witness to piece together the mystery of her disappearance.

[Brad Davis]

Was there any blood on the tv, do you remember?

[Blaine Alexander]

Yeah, there was blood on the tv. There was blood on the chairs.

[Veronica Mazzeca]

There's blood on the table.

[Blaine Alexander]

But was she just a witness or something more? Watch Devil's Bargain this Friday at 9, 8 Central. And just a reminder before, before you go, the first of its kind. DATELINE LIVE event is happening Sunday, September 28th in Nashville. I'll be there along with Josh, Keith, Andrea, Dennis and Lester. And we would love for you to join us. There will be onstage panels, audience Q&As and a VIP reception. Tickets are on sale now at datelinenbc.com event. You can also find a link in the description of this episode. We'd love to see you there. Thanks so much for listening. DATELINE True Crime Weekly is produced by Franny Kelly and Katie Ferguson. Our associate producers are Carson Cummins and Caroline Casey. Our senior producer is Liz Brown Kuriloff production and fact checking help by Terry Dickerson and Georgina DiNardo. Veronica Mazzeca is our digital producer. Rick Kwan is our sound designer. Original Music by Jesse McGinty. Bryson Barnes is head of audio production. Paul Ryan is executive producer and Liz Cole is senior executive producer of dateline. All right, thanks everybody. When it's this hot, you need a snack that's cool, fun and delicious like my mochi ice cream. My mochi is little scoops of ice cream and flavors like strawberry, mango and cookies and cream wrapped in soft dough. It's creamy on the edge inside and chewy on the outside like a sweet ice cream dumpling.

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