Deadly Engagement - Ep. 5: Good Neighbors

Summary

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Dateline Originals – "Deadly Engagement"

Episode 5: Good Neighbors
Date: November 13, 2025
Host: Josh Mankiewicz

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Overview

This episode of "Deadly Engagement" delves into the tumultuous summer of 2008, focusing on the aftermath of Shannon Crawley’s accusation of rape against her former lover, Jermier Stroud, who was also the fiancé of murder victim Danita Smith. The episode explores the critical discovery of a knife (allegedly used in the assault) and its implications, followed by the unraveling of the sexual assault claim and the ripple effect it had on the already complex murder case. Through interviews with family, police, and prosecutors, the episode examines issues of trust, evidence, and the collateral damage of suspicion within close-knit communities.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Shannon Crawley’s Allegations and Family Response

• June 20, 2008: Shannon claims a pre-dawn, four-hour sexual assault by Jermier Stroud.
• Family, especially her mother and sisters, rally around her, offering emotional support (“hovered over her like bees on a tulip” [01:47]).
• Men in the family, including her father Keith and brother-in-law Chris Williams, are supportive but keep a respectful distance due to Shannon’s discomfort with men post-assault.

"She was really not talking much that night. She was just very sore." – Chris Williams (Shannon’s brother-in-law) [02:05]

2. Discovery of the Knife and Neighborhood Dynamics

• Thursday night, June 20: Neighbors recall seeing a car circle the cul de sac and someone placing something in Stroud’s trash can [05:21–06:11].
• The knife, later found in Stroud’s bin, matches Shannon’s assault claim detail.
• Multiple neighbors recount the odd occurrence—neighbor Jessica moves the trash can for Stroud, noticing nothing unusual except the described event [16:18].

"Boom. I look down, I see this big a knife. And I'm like, okay. Considering all the circumstances unfolded, I'm like, that's just odd and weird." – Jermier Stroud [06:59]

3. Law Enforcement and the Investigation

• Detective Pam Zencon leads the sexual assault investigation, expressing thoroughness despite Stroud’s frustration with the process.

"If it was that ridiculous obvious, that I wouldn't have been working on this case for almost over two weeks… because nothing's that ridiculously obvious." – Detective Pam Zencon [18:59]

• Shannon initially resists a second medical exam due to pain and fear of disbelief but is eventually convinced by her family [09:07].

4. Shannon’s Recovery and Family Reflections

• Through detailed family testimony, Shannon’s vulnerability and history are highlighted, painting a picture of her as sensitive, stubborn, and emotionally reactive [10:42–11:02].
• The Crawleys' unwavering belief in Shannon’s innocence becomes clear, while the skepticism of outsiders looms.

5. Discrediting of Assault Allegation

• Police evidence, including Jermier’s alibi (receipts, phone/tower data) and absence of his DNA on Shannon or the knife, puts doubt on her claims [22:19–23:37].
• Both sides feel alienated: Shannon and her family are convinced of a police cover-up, while Stroud faces suspicion and frustration.

"There was no semen on the… the vaginal swabs. There's a little blood on one of the swabs, but nothing that would be conclusive proof… It just wasn't there." – David Sachs, Durham County Prosecutor [23:08]

6. Fallout and Conspiracy Theories

• Shannon and her family are convinced that after Durham police became involved, treatment of her changed and bias was evident (“the blue wall”) [27:18–28:52].
• The Crawleys see police solidarity as shielding Stroud, while prosecutors and police adhere to the available evidence.

"Police officers covering for another police officer. Cops will protect other cops." – Narrator (summarizing Crawley family view) [28:52]

7. Withdrawal of Shannon’s Legal Team

• Her attorneys withdraw from her case, citing an “ethical dilemma”—possibly connected to not allowing knowingly false testimony under court rules—causing trial delays [29:15–30:56].

8. Victim’s Family Perspective

• Danita Smith’s mother, Sharon, shares enduring grief and her gradual involvement in the case’s prosecution [31:39–33:03].
• Sharon’s evolving view of Stroud—from suspicion to acceptance depending on evidence—exemplifies the confusion and emotional toll on families [33:30–34:05].

"She accomplished more in her 25 years than what some of us do in a lifetime." – Sharon Smith (Danita’s mother) [31:42]

9. Prosecutorial Strategy and Doubts

• Prosecutor Sachs worries Stroud, though not a suspect, comes across as evasive or untrustworthy—a risk if the case devolves into “he-said/she-said” [34:25–35:08].

"He comes across squirrely. Sometimes just comes across squirrely. There's just something not right, you know." – David Sachs [35:08]

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Memorable Quotes and Moments

• On the Evidentiary Knife:

  "Cops have a slang term for evidence, like that knife that seems to conveniently fall from the sky and implicate a suspect. They call it snowflaking. To Jermere, this felt like a blizzard." – Josh Mankiewicz [19:38]

• On Law Enforcement Bias:

  "Police officers covering for another police officer. Cops will protect other cops." – Narrator (on the Crawley family perception) [28:52]

• Prosecutorial Doubt:

  "He comes across squirrely. Sometimes just comes across squirrely. There's just something not right, you know." – David Sachs [35:08]

• Victim’s Legacy:

  "Danita has never aged. She is forever 25. There are no new pictures of her celebrating life's achievements..." – Josh Mankiewicz [31:56]

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Important Timestamps

• Shannon describes the assault: [01:05–03:05]
• Discovery and neighborhood movement of the knife: [05:21–06:59]
• Stroud recounts discovery of knife and neighbor testimony: [06:59–08:57], [13:23–18:49]
• DNA evidence returns, clearing Stroud: [22:19–23:57]
• Shannon and family accuse police of cover-up: [26:20–29:05]
• Attorneys withdraw citing ‘ethical dilemma’: [29:15–30:56]
• Danita’s mother on the effect on her family: [31:42–34:05]
• Prosecutor on Stroud’s credibility issue: [34:25–35:08]

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Tone and Language

The episode maintains Dateline’s signature blend of grave, empathetic narration, punctuated by frank testimony from participants and somber reflection from both victim and accused families. The narrative is balanced, giving voice to sensitive trauma, procedural skepticism, and the lasting aftershocks of violent crime in unsuspecting suburban settings.

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Summary

“Deadly Engagement: Good Neighbors” is a layered exploration of truth, suspicion, and the limits of community support amidst tragic loss and legal ambiguity. As the sexual assault accusation crumbles beneath forensic scrutiny, what remains are divided families, troubled trust in law enforcement, and a murder case whose resolution will ultimately rely not just on evidence, but on how convincingly the characters at its center can be believed—by both prosecutors and the wider public.

Transcript

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Was the summer solstice, the longest day of the year. To Shannon Crawley, it must have felt like the longest day of her life. According to her, the day began with a four hour sexual assault in the pre dawn hours. From that moment on, she had scarcely a moment to herself. In the hours after she reported the attack, she'd been poked and prodded by doctors and nurses, questioned by police.

[Detective Pam Zencon]

I'm with the police department and I just want to talk to you about a few things and it's going to be a long day of trying to straighten this out and get this taken care of you.

[Narrator (Josh Mankiewicz)]

After she was released from the hospital, Shannon's mother and sisters hovered over her like bees on a tulip while out in the hall she likely heard the crawly men folk murmuring softly to one another, making sounds of sympathy and concern.

[Jermier Stroud]

She was really not talking much that night. She was just very sore.

[Narrator (Josh Mankiewicz)]

That's Shannon's brother in law, Chris Williams. He and his wife Brandy, Shannon's sister, had come down from New Jersey.

[Jermier Stroud]

I think she had some issues with men being around her, so I just stayed back a little bit from, you know, engaging in any conversation with Aldhanjan that night.

[Narrator (Josh Mankiewicz)]

Through bits and snatches of conversation, the men had gotten a good idea of what Shannon said had happened.

[Jermier Stroud]

I sort of asked how she felt and how she was doing.

[Narrator (Josh Mankiewicz)]

She had pain, if she needed anything.

[Jermier Stroud]

Those sorts of things.

[Narrator (Josh Mankiewicz)]

That is Keith Crawley, Shannon's dad.

[Jermier Stroud]

I'd more or less let her spend her time with his sisters and her mom. Just having a woman I think is more important than me being the way.

[Narrator (Josh Mankiewicz)]

The story Shannon told was awful enough but one detail Shannon seemed to recall most vividly was horrific.

[Detective Pam Zencon]

Use the knife to penetrate me.

[Narrator (Josh Mankiewicz)]

In this episode, you'll hear how the knife Shannon says was used to attack her was found at the home of the man she said raped her. Her former lover, Jermier Stroud, a man who'd been engaged to Danita Smith, the woman Shannon stood accused of murdering 18 months earlier.

[Detective Pam Zencon]

Both worked for the police department. I was a 911 dispatcher, and he's a police officer. We met there. We faded. We broke up.

[Narrator (Josh Mankiewicz)]

You'll hear how, within days of that knife's discovery, the sexual assault case against Jermier Stroud was suddenly in question. No one wants to be that officer that says, you know what, lady? You're lying.

[Shannon Crawley]

I just feel that this injustice, this pure injustice.

[Narrator (Josh Mankiewicz)]

And you will hear how that knife helped strengthen the prosecution's case. As the date of Shannon Crawley's murder.

[David Sachs (Durham County Prosecutor)]

Trial drew ever closer, it seemed obvious not only who was stalking whom, but who was trying to frame her at that point.

[Narrator (Josh Mankiewicz)]

I'm Josh Mankiewicz, and this is Deadly Engagement, a podcast from Dateline. Episode 5 Good Neighbors. Bluestem Court is a little suburban cul de sac on the north side of Greensboro. It's a quiet street with friendly neighbors and hedges that are almost never allowed to get out of control. In 2008, it was home to Jermier Stroud. Very little of note ever seemed to happen there. And then one steamy Thursday night in June, something did. Thursday is trash day on Bluestem Court, so there were a few empty bins still out by the curb. One of them belonged to jermir. At about 10:30 that night, one of his neighbors, out watering her flowers, heard a car enter the cul de sac.

[Detective Pam Zencon]

Yeah, I went all the way to the end of the cul de sac, into the little loop, and came back and stopped at his trash can and threw something else. I just figured that he was throwing out a bottle or something.

[Narrator (Josh Mankiewicz)]

A guy who lived next to Stroud was outside transferring some guy stuff to the new car he and his wife had just bought that day. He saw the same thing.

[Jermier Stroud]

I was messing in the car, and I heard a kthonk. And so I got out of the car and kind of peeked around the car. I saw the. The vehicle driving off from Jameer's Canyon. I was thinking to myself, well, you know, maybe they had a McDonald's bag or a drink or something they're just trying to get rid of.

[Narrator (Josh Mankiewicz)]

The next day, an attentive neighbor on Bluestem Court might have noticed A Charlotte police car parked in front of Jermir Stroud's house. And then later, seeing how Jermir's trash can was still in the street, some thoughtful soul dragged it back up the drive and parked it by his back door. Those are the kind of neighbors you want, and Jermier Stroud had them on Bluestem Court.

[Jermier Stroud]

I just assumed that it was just one of my neighbors being nice, putting my trash cans back up my house.

[Narrator (Josh Mankiewicz)]

Jermeer did not give the question of who moved his trash can a second thought, maybe not even a first thought. At least not until Monday, when he happened to take out the garbage.

[Jermier Stroud]

I lift up my trash can, and boom. I look down. I see this big a knife. And I'm like, okay. Considering all the circumstances unfolded, I'm like, that's just odd and weird.

[Narrator (Josh Mankiewicz)]

Odd and weird. Oh, yes. You see, days earlier, Jermir's former lover, Shannon Crawley, had accused him of raping her with. With a knife. That's not all. Shannon Crawley was, at the time, out on bond, awaiting trial for the murder of Jir's fiance, Danita Smith.

[Jermier Stroud]

Shannon wasn't diagnosed. In May of 2007, Shannon, she was released from jail, and she issued statements of the Brown police department blaming you for being involved with the murders.

[Narrator (Josh Mankiewicz)]

On Saturday morning, the day after she said she'd been raped, Shannon Crawley said she was feeling a little better, well, enough at least to talk a bit about her ordeal. Shannon was still complaining about continued discomfort and bleeding.

[Detective Pam Zencon]

She stayed on the couch. She wouldn't get in my bed. And we. Shannon's mom, we tried to leave her alone, and she said she was bleeding, and she said it wasn't normal.

[Narrator (Josh Mankiewicz)]

The Crawleys thought it possible the medical team that had seen Shannon after the reported rape had missed something. Shannon had not allowed the medical staff to do more invasive diagnostic procedures because she'd said she was in too much pain. Now the Crawleys wanted doctors to take a closer look. It made sense. It was Shannon who resisted, because Shannon.

[Detective Pam Zencon]

I was concerned was that people would think she did this to herself, and no one would believe that she was actually attacked.

[Narrator (Josh Mankiewicz)]

In the end, the Crawley family prevailed.

[Detective Pam Zencon]

So we convinced her finally to go to the hospital, and I told her her sisters would take her.

[Narrator (Josh Mankiewicz)]

That's Shannon's mom again.

[Detective Pam Zencon]

They took her to the hospital and texted me and told me that she's. That the doctor. The doctor face didn't look good when she came out of the room.

[Narrator (Josh Mankiewicz)]

According to the Crawley sisters, a second and more thorough examination showed they were right. Shannon's bleeding had been caused by internal injuries that had gone undetected the day before.

[Jermier Stroud]

They did an internal exam and said that she had a lot of boom, boom inside and a lot of cuts.

[Narrator (Josh Mankiewicz)]

That's Shannon's brother in law, Chris Williams.

[Jermier Stroud]

They were going to make a note and add it to, I guess, a previous support of the initial examination.

[Narrator (Josh Mankiewicz)]

The Crawleys were not sure what the hospital staff did for Shannon that night other than give her something for the pain.

[Detective Pam Zencon]

She felt that everything was falling out. Shannon's mom, Ann, she just laid down. She cried, you know, she just. She cried. That's all she did, just cry? No, she was in a lot of pain and. And she just cried a lot, you know, so she slept in my bed with her daughter. That made her feel better when I daughtered nearer.

[Narrator (Josh Mankiewicz)]

In a strange way, that scene might well have reminded the Crawleys of some more innocent times when Shannon was growing up.

[Detective Pam Zencon]

Shannon was thumb sucker.

[Narrator (Josh Mankiewicz)]

She was the.

[Detective Pam Zencon]

She's the second oldest, but she really.

[Shannon Crawley]

Is the baby of the family. Easy to cry, very sensitive, stubborn.

[Narrator (Josh Mankiewicz)]

The overwhelming thing I think about her.

[Jermier Stroud]

Is just being very sensitive. And I tried. She tried to drop her hat.

[Narrator (Josh Mankiewicz)]

For several days, Shannon rested and recuperated in the comforting cocoon of family, surrounded by people who'd known her all her life. People who loved her, sheltered her, and who believed every word she told them about her former lover, Jermir Stroud. Well, that wasn't nearly enough. In the weeks and months to come, she would need to convince total strangers to believe her as well.

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[Narrator (Josh Mankiewicz)]

For J. Stroud that knife was absolutely the last straw. For months he'd heard how his former lover, Shannon Crawley, had been talking smack about him. That was unpleasant but not unexpected. This was something else. And now Jermir had had enough.

[Jermier Stroud]

I have been accused of murdering my own fiance. And then two weeks after I was supposed to marry the woman that she murdered, she's now accusing me of rape. And I knew I wasn't there.

[Narrator (Josh Mankiewicz)]

As he stared at the knife lying at the bottom of his trash can, his mind raced back and forth, switching between memories and scenarios like a teenager with a remote. Three days earlier, cops from Charlotte had come to Jermir's house and questioned him about that alleged rape, and Jermir said he had told them everything on duty till after midnight. Then McDonald's on the phone with a friend, then to bed. All of it checked out. Cops had the McDonald's receipt and phone records, a printout showing his cell hitting a tower in Greensboro right around the time he was allegedly raping Shannon, a hundred miles away. After asking Greensboro police to come collect the knife, Jermere called the Charlotte Police Department. He was put through to the sex crimes unit. Detective Pam Zencon was the lead detective on this case.

[Jermier Stroud]

And she picked up it was a folding blade.

[Detective Pam Zencon]

Right?

[Jermier Stroud]

Blade folds in, but it was, it was unfolded just out.

[Detective Pam Zencon]

What kind of blade was it? Can you describe the blade?

[Jermier Stroud]

It was, I don't know. It was at least like a 4 inch blade. Which when I say 4 inch blade, I'm talking at least minimum of 4 inches. Talking about the exposed part of the blade.

[Detective Pam Zencon]

Right.

[Jermier Stroud]

And it was kind of like a real fat.

[Narrator (Josh Mankiewicz)]

Jermere told Detective Zencon he had never seen that knife before. He knew for certain he had not put it there. Jermere says once he saw it, he just shut the lid and started checking with his neighbors.

[Jermier Stroud]

So first thing I did was I called my neighbor. That was most likely would be, you know, guy kind of takes care of mailing for my mail and stuff when I'm out of town, all right. I said, you have to put my trash can up. I made my house shit and I want to leave.

[Narrator (Josh Mankiewicz)]

So Jermeer asked his neighbor who lived on the Other side, a guy named Brandon.

[Jermier Stroud]

I said, hey, man, put my trash keys up by my house. I said, no, I didn't touch trash cans. He said, but you know what? I did see something weird. I saw a guy, you know, pull. I saw somebody pull up. I saw you see a late night models with Buick come down to the other end of my cul de sac, circle around, pull up to my house, stop, slow down, and somebody got out, put something in my trash can, and drove off.

[Detective Pam Zencon]

I said, okay, what time of night was this?

[Jermier Stroud]

He didn't recall the time directly. And I told him, I said, don't worry about telling it to me. I'll make sure. He called the officers later.

[Narrator (Josh Mankiewicz)]

Jermir says he asked one more neighbor, a woman named Jessica, if she had been the one who moved his trash can. And bingo.

[Jermier Stroud]

She said, I was trashing them. I said, okay, thank you. She said, yeah, they were out there trash days over. So I just figured, I know, get them out the street and pull them up there for you. I said, great. I said, did you happen to leave a knife in there or anything? She goes, oh, gosh, no. The knife. I said, no. She said, no, I didn't leave anything in there. She said, but you know what was weird though? I did see somebody pull up. It was kind of weird. Somebody just kind of pulled up, got out, dropped something in there, and I just thought it was kind of strange that they would do that. And they pulled off.

[Narrator (Josh Mankiewicz)]

The neighbors described the person they saw as either a white male or. Or a light skinned black male. The car he drove they described as being greenish gray or possibly blue. A late model vehicle, kind of rounded and bubbly. Jessica said Brandon said it looked like a Buick. JR could not think of anyone he knew who matched that description and who drove a car like that. However, the timing was suspicious. Jessica and Brandon had seen the man drop something into Jameer's empty trash can on Thursday night. That was four or five hours before Shannon had claimed her rapist grabbed her in the backyard of her mother's home in Charlotte.

[Jermier Stroud]

The one neighbor, Jessica, who said she saw it was a white male. Number one, white males that would be involved in there. So she has somebody else working with her. Number two, somebody is providing her with my schedule somehow. When she killed my fiance, she knew that I would be home alone in bed by myself. When she called me back in January, she knew I would be home alone in bed by myself. When this knife got dropped, somebody knew that I would be at work. And when this alleged rape thing happened, she Knew that I was home alone and dead by myself. You know what I mean? That's not a pattern that an idiot couldn't pick up on. You know what I mean?

[Detective Pam Zencon]

Right?

[Narrator (Josh Mankiewicz)]

The detective and Jermir spoke several times over the next few days.

[Detective Pam Zencon]

Hi, Jamir. Hi. This is Detective Zencon. Pam Zencon. How you doing? Hey. I got a quick question for you. I spoke to your neighbors. The one thing I do need to ask you just to say I did. When you located the knife in the trash, you lifted the lid, and then what happened? What'd you do?

[Narrator (Josh Mankiewicz)]

In those calls, Jermir sometimes vented his frustrations over the slow pace of the investigation.

[Jermier Stroud]

All I can do is think from my end, and from my end, I'm thinking, and I don't know what you all have. From my end, I'm thinking, this is so ridiculously obvious. I didn't do it. Well, you understand what I'm saying?

[Detective Pam Zencon]

You know what? If it was that ridiculous obvious, that I wouldn't have been working on this case for almost over two weeks, okay? So you know what? Maybe you should go into investigations, okay? Because nothing's that ridiculously obvious. All right?

[Narrator (Josh Mankiewicz)]

Jermir told the detective that after all he'd been through, what he most wanted was Shannon Crawley to be arrested for falsely accusing him of rape.

[Jermier Stroud]

One of the worst things you could ever accuse a man of. Israel. That's just nasty, okay? And not being prosecuted is good enough for everybody else, but clearly is what I want.

[Narrator (Josh Mankiewicz)]

Cops have a slang term for evidence, like that knife that seems to conveniently fall from the sky and implicate a suspect. They call it snowflaking. To Jermere, this felt like a blizzard. It was then that Jermir suggested speaking cop to cop, that Shannon Crawley would likely get away with this slander because he said, everyone knows cops are not in the business of arresting women who say they are rape victims.

[Jermier Stroud]

I understand you all's position as to why y' all can't do that, but I kind of feel like it's a political thing keeping you all from doing that.

[Narrator (Josh Mankiewicz)]

That suggestion was a step too far for Detective Zen Khan.

[Detective Pam Zencon]

Well, Jameer, let me tell you something right now. I don't appreciate that, okay? Law enforcement. Law enforcement. I don't appreciate what you just said to me, okay? I have worked very hard on this case, and I'm still working hard on this case. And if I find fact enough to. To say that it didn't happen, I will do that, okay? If we can find out that she is lying, then we'll make an arrest, but you just can't decide. You just can't get a feeling or one of those officer senses that someone's lying. How long have you been in the business? You said you've been a cop? Five years. And I've got to explain this to you? No, I'm.

[Jermier Stroud]

No, ma', am, I didn't found one.

[Detective Pam Zencon]

That's your feeling? You can't arrest people on feelings. You should know that.

[Jermier Stroud]

Well, I know that.

[Detective Pam Zencon]

Then why are you thinking I need to right now?

[Jermier Stroud]

Ma', am, if you notice. If you notice. I didn't say that. I. I think that one of the things that makes y' all have to be so careful about doing that is you guys have to make sure y' all have a model of evidence. Which means if I can have. If I can produce any kind of information that can help y' all come to that determination, I will. Which lets you know that I know that y' all don't have enough to be able to find that fact.

[Detective Pam Zencon]

Nothing. Because I am telling you nothing. Just like I'm not telling her anything. Okay? You are the suspect in this case, and so I am not sharing information with you. Now, I will get information from you if you want to give it, but I'm not going to give you any information. Okay? You did make a comment about me not making an arrest for political reasons, and that is incorrect. I am doing my investigation, and you will know the result of that investigation when it's done. I don't appreciate that comment.

[Jermier Stroud]

Well, I apologize for offending you, because my intention was definitely not to offend you.

[Detective Pam Zencon]

Well, apology accepted. But just know, because we have done nothing but work on this case and try to figure out what we can do to the fullest. And I'm not whining about how much I've been working on this case because it is my job. Okay? But I can assure you that I have been doing my job.

[Narrator (Josh Mankiewicz)]

A few days after that phone call, Detective Zencon got her hands on a critical piece of information. Information she'd been waiting for. The results of the rape kit were in the one performed after Shannon said Jermir had raped her repeatedly. The lab reported finding not a trace of Jermere Stroud's DNA. Not on Shannon, not on Shannon's clothes, and not on the knife found in Jermir's trash bin. It is likely an audible sigh of relief was heard miles away in Durham, where the District Attorney had been eagerly waiting to hear whether the key witness in his murder case would be charged with raping the defendant.

[David Sachs (Durham County Prosecutor)]

There was no semen on the. The vaginal swabs.

[Narrator (Josh Mankiewicz)]

That's Durham county prosecutor David Sachs.

[David Sachs (Durham County Prosecutor)]

There's a little blood on one of the swabs, but nothing that would be conclusive proof that the rape had occurred. She indicated that there should have been Jameer's DNA on her, and it wasn't there. It just wasn't there. They tested her clothes, they tested her the underwear, every. Everything they could, and it just was not there.

[Narrator (Josh Mankiewicz)]

And the damage which you would think would be caused by his using a knife.

[Jermier Stroud]

Correct.

[Narrator (Josh Mankiewicz)]

That wasn't really there either.

[David Sachs (Durham County Prosecutor)]

Clearly not seen. All the medical personnel confirmed for both the Charlotte police and for us that they did not see that kind of injury to her that would have occurred.

[Narrator (Josh Mankiewicz)]

Durham county detective Sean Pate, who had spent hours interviewing Shannon and then later arrested her for the murder of Danita Smith, was not surprised to hear that her latest accusation against Jermier Stroud had turned to vapor again. That was with the Charlotte Police Department. I know. It took them, if I remember correctly, about 10 days to figure out this never occurred. And which, to be honest with you, is very, very fast for a rape. Because no one wants to be that officer that says, you know what, lady? You're lying. No one wants to be that person. I mean, you're supposed to start, you know, start by believing. In the end, Jermir was not charged with rape, and Shannon was not charged with filing a false report. However, that was not the end of the finger pointing. Oh, no. Soon the fingers were pointing at police. When the flu is keeping you up at night, don't try to tough it out. Knock out your flu symptoms with Nyquil Intense Flu. You got this. It provides powerful relief of your flu symptoms so you can sleep well through the night. Nyquil Intense Flu. The nighttime. Sniffling, aching, aching fever. Best sleep with a flu medicine. Use as directed. Keep out of reach of children.

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[Detective Pam Zencon]

Results may vary.

[Narrator (Josh Mankiewicz)]

As far as Shannon Crawley was concerned, the evidence meant nothing. Not the rape kit results, not the medical reports, none of it. Jermier Stroud, she said, had raped her with a knife. And if the cops couldn't find evidence to support that, well, then that proved what she and her family had long believed. The cops were covering up for Jermir. One of their own. She knew what she knew, and that was that.

[Shannon Crawley]

I believe that after, for whatever reason, they contacted the Durham police, I feel that it was completely inappropriate for them to even involve Durham. It had nothing to do with that case. But when they did, their whole story changed. The way they treated me, everything changed after that. And they made me feel like I made this up, and I know that I didn't.

[Narrator (Josh Mankiewicz)]

I mean, clearly it's got something to do with that case. I mean, it's the. It's the guy that you say is the actual killer.

[Shannon Crawley]

I made them change their position on what happened to me. How they treated me initially is not how they ended up treating me after they talked to the Durham police.

[Narrator (Josh Mankiewicz)]

You think the Durham police sort of, what, convinced them that you're a liar?

[Shannon Crawley]

Yes. Yes, because everything changed after that.

[Narrator (Josh Mankiewicz)]

But why would the rape kit come back inconclusive? Why wouldn't Jermir's DNA be found?

[Shannon Crawley]

I'm sure he did that on purpose. How was he gonna explain why he had attacked me?

[Narrator (Josh Mankiewicz)]

When you say he, you mean Jermair?

[Shannon Crawley]

Yes.

[Narrator (Josh Mankiewicz)]

So what, he did what on purpose?

[Shannon Crawley]

He's a police officer. He made sure that his DNA would not be found. Why? But when they found the knife. They found the knife in his trash can. He had an excuse for that. Oh, someone must have put it there. He's got a neighbor that says, oh, well, I saw someone drive by and put the knife in his trash can.

[Narrator (Josh Mankiewicz)]

Okay, well, his cell phone records put him on the phone at the time that you say this assault was going on.

[Shannon Crawley]

And I don't believe that he was ever talking to anyone on the phone.

[Narrator (Josh Mankiewicz)]

Okay.

[Shannon Crawley]

I know where he was that night.

[Narrator (Josh Mankiewicz)]

As for Shannon's parents, the Crawleys, well, they trusted Shannon, and they believed the fix was in.

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After they talked to prosecutor.

[Detective Pam Zencon]

Yes.

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Yeah, he called down there, and.

[Narrator (Josh Mankiewicz)]

Everything changed.

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Everything changed.

[Narrator (Josh Mankiewicz)]

This is what, one big conspiracy sounds like?

[Jermier Stroud]

It.

[Shannon Crawley]

It sounds like it, but we got.

[Narrator (Josh Mankiewicz)]

To look at the way it is.

[Detective Pam Zencon]

Yeah.

[Narrator (Josh Mankiewicz)]

So many things that just don't hold together.

[Shannon Crawley]

Yeah.

[Narrator (Josh Mankiewicz)]

Yeah. To The Crawleys, it seemed a clear case of the blue wall. Police officers covering for another police officer. Cops will protect other cops.

[Jermier Stroud]

It knows what department they're in.

[Narrator (Josh Mankiewicz)]

Shannon's father, Keith Crawley senior, was himself once a sheriff's deputy in another state. There are always that few, not many.

[Jermier Stroud]

There's always that few that will cover up. For a copy of the only knowing.

[Narrator (Josh Mankiewicz)]

You were in law enforcement?

[Jermier Stroud]

Yes.

[Narrator (Josh Mankiewicz)]

You cover up crimes by other officers? No, I never did. The Crawleys absolutely believe their daughter, but it seems her lawyers may have had their doubts. Six months after Shannon accused Jermir of rape and just a month before her murder trial was set to begin, Shannon's attorneys withdrew from her case. In their court filing, they cited a, quote, ethical dilemma, unquote, stemming from the bar association's candor toward the tribunal rule. Essentially, that's an ethics rule that says lawyers can't knowingly lie to the court or allow their client or one of their witnesses to present testimony which the attorney knows is false. What was the precise nature of this ethical dilemma? We don't know. We do know the late withdrawal of Shannon's attorneys caused her more murder trial to be postponed. The Crawleys did not mention an ethical issue when I spoke with them years later. In their telling, it all boiled down to money. The first attorneys, one in particular, kept.

[Jermier Stroud]

Asking for more and more and more and more money.

[Narrator (Josh Mankiewicz)]

And when he realized there wasn't any more to give, that's how he wanted.

[Jermier Stroud]

To back out of the case.

[Detective Pam Zencon]

Doctor.

[Narrator (Josh Mankiewicz)]

Yeah? Dr. Yogi spent all your money. The court ended up appointing Shannon a new attorney.

[Jermier Stroud]

He was appointed by the state after we had already spending all there was to spend.

[Narrator (Josh Mankiewicz)]

Two years after her daughter's death, Sharon Smith was emotionally spent. It had taken months for the sharp pain of losing Danita to dissipate into a constant dull throb. It was an ache that never went away. It took longer still for her thoughts to turn from the horror of Danita's death to wistful memories of her short but exceptional life.

[Shannon Crawley]

She touched a lot of people in the 25 years that she was on this earth.

[Narrator (Josh Mankiewicz)]

That is Sharon Smith, Danita's mom.

[Shannon Crawley]

I did not realize it, but she did. And she. She accomplished more in her 25 years than what some of us do in a lifetime.

[Narrator (Josh Mankiewicz)]

And although the family has marked Danita's birthdays with photos of her posted on social media, Danita has never aged. She is forever 25. There are no new pictures of her celebrating life's achievements, no photos of Danita proudly holding her Own children.

[Shannon Crawley]

Unfortunately, I didn't get to plan her wedding or see her come down the aisle or the excitement of her having her children or even see her go across the stage for the second time to get her master's.

[Narrator (Josh Mankiewicz)]

Danita was gone, but far from forgotten. In the years since Danita's death, her mother turned her attention to the case being built against Danita's accused killer, frequently calling both the detective who had arrested Shannon Crawley and the prosecutor she hoped would put Shannon away for life.

[David Sachs (Durham County Prosecutor)]

Denita's mother was in constant contact with our office and with me personally.

[Narrator (Josh Mankiewicz)]

Durham county prosecutor David Sachs.

[David Sachs (Durham County Prosecutor)]

She would call me up and we would talk, and I would let her know where things stood and what we were doing and what the next steps were and things of that nature. And this took a long time to get to trial. And so there were a lot of conversations with Ms. Smith early on.

[Narrator (Josh Mankiewicz)]

A lot of those discussions centered on Sharon's would be son in law, Jermere Stroud, and Danita's accused killer, Shannon Crawley. Do you ever worry they had the wrong person?

[Shannon Crawley]

Shannon versus Jameer?

[Narrator (Josh Mankiewicz)]

Well, Shannon versus anyone. Anybody?

[Shannon Crawley]

@ first I did. At first I did.

[Narrator (Josh Mankiewicz)]

When Sharon learned Shannon had said it was Jermir who killed Danita, Sharon says she initially believed her.

[Shannon Crawley]

I was very angry. I was very angry because I had gotten to know Jameer, welcomed him in my home, and if he. If he'd have went down if the evidence supported it. Evidence supported it.

[Narrator (Josh Mankiewicz)]

By January 2010, the prosecutor was ready to take his case against Shannon Crawley to trial. He was confident he had the evidence to get a conviction. What he was not sure about was how his key witness, Jir Stroud, would come off in front of a jury.

[David Sachs (Durham County Prosecutor)]

What became very hard was to deal with his mannerisms. I have a very specific memory of sitting down with Danita's mother. And we actually watched together Jameer's videotaped interview because I wanted her to see what I was dealing with. Because you would watch his interview and it just. It would just strike you that he's hiding something or something. And she had the same impression.

[Narrator (Josh Mankiewicz)]

And.

[David Sachs (Durham County Prosecutor)]

And she was like, that's not. That's just not the jimmy or I.

[Narrator (Josh Mankiewicz)]

Know it was an odd position to be in. After three years of investigation, the d. A. Was plainly worried that if this approaching day of reckoning became yet another round of he said, she said, the prosecution could still lose.

[David Sachs (Durham County Prosecutor)]

Comes across squirrely. Sometimes just comes across squirrely. There's just something not right, you know.

[Narrator (Josh Mankiewicz)]

Next time.

[David Sachs (Durham County Prosecutor)]

The whole trial was basically us saying that Shannon Crawley committed this murder and the defense saying Jamir Stroud did this murder.

[Narrator (Josh Mankiewicz)]

The tone was definitely, you know, somber.

[Shannon Crawley]

Shannon's family here and, you know, you.

[Narrator (Josh Mankiewicz)]

Got Danita's people on the other side.

[Shannon Crawley]

You know, tense is a good word for it. I do know that. My belief is that Jameer is going to pay for this one day.

[Narrator (Josh Mankiewicz)]

This podcast is a production of Dateline and NBC News. Tim Beacham is the producer. Marshall Hausfeld, Brian Drew, Deb Brown and Billy Ray are audio editors. Kimberly Flores Gaynor is associate producer, Adam Gorfin is co executive producer, Paul Ryan is executive producer, and Liz Cole is senior executive producer from NBC News. Audio sound mixing by Rich Cutler. Bryson Barnes is head of audio production.

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