Murder in the Moonlight - Ep. 4: About Face

Summary

Dateline Originals: Murder in the Moonlight - Episode 4: About Face

Introduction

In the gripping fourth episode of Murder in the Moonlight, titled "About Face," host Keith Morrison delves deep into a convoluted murder case that spans multiple states and involves a web of confessions, conflicting testimonies, and emerging evidence. This episode, released on April 30, 2025, masterfully unravels the complexities of a high-profile investigation, highlighting the challenges faced by detectives and defense attorneys alike.

The Initial Confessions

The episode opens with Detective Jim Rohr reflecting on the nature of confessions in murder investigations. Morrison sets the stage by emphasizing the significance of obtaining confessions from suspects:

“If there's anything like a Holy Grail gold standard in a high-pressure murder investigation, then surely that must be the confession” (01:03).

In this case, three out of four suspects—Matt Livers, Jessica Reed, and Greg Fester—confessed to their involvement in the murders of Wayne and Charman Stark. Matt Livers admitted, “I did the shooting” (01:49), while Jessica Reed and Greg Fester provided their own versions of events, each adding layers of complexity to the investigation.

Discovery of Evidence

As the investigation progresses, Detective Rohr uncovers critical evidence that shifts the direction of the case. While searching the house where Jessica Reed was held, he discovers a hidden cigarette box containing a 12-gauge shotgun shell and a poignant letter from Jessica:

“...that’s something I did for you. Me, and for you to love me as much as I love you.” (05:35).

This letter, along with a diary entry where Jessica writes, “I killed someone. He was older. I loved it” (06:32), provides a chilling insight into her psyche and complicates her involvement in the murders.

Investigation Developments

Detective Rohr's meticulous investigation leads him to connect the confessions with physical evidence. Ballistics tests confirm that the shell in Jessica's possession matches the murder weapon, a gun stolen from a Wisconsin farm. Additionally, DNA analysis links Jessica and Greg directly to the crime scene, solidifying their culpability.

“If she recognizes a picture of one of the people who were the subject of the confession in Nebraska, that’s their verification of the original story.” (03:16).

Rohr's discovery of a marijuana pipe and a gold ring with DNA evidence further ties Jessica and Greg to the murders, leaving little doubt about their involvement.

Defense Attorneys' Perspectives

The episode shifts focus to the defense attorneys representing Matt Livers and Nick Sampson. Jerry Susi, Nick's attorney, uncovers discrepancies in the prosecution's case that suggest his client may be innocent:

“...during this period of time when the murder's supposed to be taking place, is texting back and forth with a roommate...” (19:21).

Susi discovers that Matt Livers and Nick Sampson have solid alibis, with both having credible witnesses and alibi confirmations. Matt's girlfriend confirms his presence 30 miles away in Lincoln, Nebraska, during the time of the murders, and Nick's girlfriend provides a similar alibi, supported by a polygraph test (17:20).

Evidence Against the Accused

Despite initial confessions, the evidence begins to point towards the possibility that Matt Livers and Nick Sampson were framed. Ballistics tests reveal that the gun found under Nick's bed was not the murder weapon, and the blood spotted on his genesis was not human. These revelations cast serious doubt on the integrity of the confessions and suggest the involvement of additional parties (20:04).

Moreover, the lack of communication between Matt and Nick, as evidenced by their phone records, undermines Matt’s confession of planning the murder together. This disconnect raises critical questions about the validity of their accusations against Jessica Reed and Greg Fester (18:55).

Legal Developments and Challenges

As defense attorneys dig deeper, they confront the unsettling possibility that Livers and Sampson may be innocent. Julie Bear, Matt Livers' defense attorney, confronts him with the new arrests of Jessica Reed and Greg Fester, seeking to establish their lack of connection with her client:

“Maybe he was lying to you. Not a chance.” (21:17).

The lack of initial communication about Reed and Fester’s involvement to the Nebraska authorities complicates the legal proceedings, creating tension between the prosecution and the defense.

The Turning Point

The breakthrough comes when Jerry Susi, frustrated with the lack of information, obtains the arrest warrant affidavit detailing Reed and Fester’s confessions. This document provides concrete evidence linking them directly to the murders, exonerating Livers and Sampson. The affidavits reveal critical details, such as the matching shotgun shells and DNA evidence, that were previously undisclosed to the defense.

Conclusion & Cliffhanger

As the episode draws to a close, Detective Rohr and the defense attorneys face the daunting task of reconciling the conflicting evidence. Jessica Reed’s fluctuating testimonies and the newfound evidence create a precarious balance between truth and deception. The episode ends on a suspenseful note, setting the stage for the next installment:

“Next on Murder in the Moonlight, who was telling the truth about that awful night on the farm and what would happen to Matt Livers and Nick Sampson?”

Notable Quotes with Timestamps

• Keith Morrison (01:03): “If there's anything like a Holy Grail gold standard in a high-pressure murder investigation, then surely that must be the confession.”
• Matt Livers (01:49): “I did the shooting.”
• Detective Jim Rohr (03:35): “It would help explain how two teens from Wisconsin end up at such a remote location...”
• Jessica Reed (06:00): “I killed someone. He was older. I loved it.”
• Detective Jim Rohr (07:27): “I thought jail was the safest place for this girl. She said she loved killing...”
• Jerry Susi (19:21): “That’s theoretically possible, but there's no evidence of that.”

Timestamps

• Advertisements and non-content segments have been omitted for clarity and focus on the core narrative.

Final Thoughts

"Murder in the Moonlight - Episode 4: About Face" offers a compelling exploration of a murder case fraught with conflicting confessions and emerging evidence. Through meticulous investigation and legal maneuvering, the episode highlights the intricate dance between truth and deception in the pursuit of justice. For listeners seeking an in-depth and engaging true crime narrative, this episode delivers a masterclass in storytelling and investigative journalism.

Transcript

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[Keith Morrison]

If there's anything like a Holy Grail gold standard in a high pressure murder investigation, then surely that must be the confession. Skilled interrogator leads tormented killer to inevitable and satisfactory conclusion, thus saving everyone a lot of time and trouble. Not to mention giving the family the answers they so desperately need. But three confessions? This was very good indeed. Four would have been even better, of course, there being four suspects after all. But three would certainly do for now. Confessions from family cousin Matt Livers. I did the shooting, he said.

[Detective]

I just stuck it to him and blew him away.

[Keith Morrison]

Confessions to having been there from the two hopped up kids in the stolen red truck Jessica Reed and Greg Fester shot again. We all run out of the house. The fourth, Nick Sampson, was a holdout, yes.

[Detective]

Oh, I wasn't there. And this swearing God's truth.

[Keith Morrison]

But a little triangulation by two states worth of detectives ought to put him in the frame, too. First, the Wisconsin investigators would have to dredge up evidence to support or refute the stories Greg and Jessica were telling. Both of them, remember, said they witnessed but did not commit the gruesome murders of Wayne and Charman Stark on an Easter evening six weeks before in Murdoch, Nebraska, it was Jessica who fingered Nick Sampson after they showed her a picture of the guy. At least he looked familiar, is how she put it. Which, if she was telling the truth, would back up Matt Lyver's confession rather nicely. Now it was the job of the Wisconsin detective, Jim Rohr, to find out if she was telling the truth. They had a confession in Nebraska. If she recognizes a picture of one of the people who were the subject of the confession in Nebraska, that's their verification of the original story. Right.

[Detective Jim Rohr]

That helps. It certainly helps.

[Keith Morrison]

Jessica's accomplice and paramour, Greg Fester, confessed that they had been directed to the Stocks farmhouse out in the middle of nowhere in Nebraska by someone he called Thomas. Detective Rohr found that helpful, too.

[Detective Jim Rohr]

It would help explain how two teens from Wisconsin end up at such a remote location that there is somebody else that's involved, that there is somebody directing them to this remote farmhouse to do this murder.

[Keith Morrison]

So while Jessica was being held in jail, the detective went over to the house where she had been staying, A sort of flop house for teens, as he called it. Seemed like a good place to start his search for some explanation.

[Detective Jim Rohr]

What we were looking for was anything at all that would tie them to Nebraska or any other location that they were at during their crime sprees.

[Keith Morrison]

Like a cell phone. And like a piece of low hanging fruit, there it was. And happily, Jessica had given him permission to get into it, into the cell phone. Take a look at her calls and contacts.

[Detective Jim Rohr]

I had a signed consent form from her saying I could have that phone.

[Keith Morrison]

Where was it?

[Detective Jim Rohr]

Right where she said it was, in her little corner of that house where we performed the search warrant.

[Keith Morrison]

But the phone was not the only thing Jim Rohr found in that flop house. Though the rest of it wasn't quite so obvious. There was a picture on the wall near Jessica's little corner, a framed picture, and the frame itself stuck out a little bit. So the detective looked behind it and, well, what do you know? There was a cigarette box hidden in there. He opened it, and inside the box, a shotgun shell, 12 gauge. The same gauge as used in the murders. And alongside the shell, folded up in that cigarette box, was a letter written by Jessica Reed, apparently to Greg Fester. It read, quote, and this bullet, well, Bunny is the only thing left. And I loved it. But that's something we'll talk about one day. But it's here also, because that's something I did for you. Me, and for you to love me as much as I love you. That is the end of the quote. Detective Rohr read it again, took it in. Astonishing. When you read the material that you found, what did you think?

[Detective Jim Rohr]

This was so bizarre. That gives you a mindset of the type of person we were dealing with.

[Keith Morrison]

Rohr went back to his task, excited about it now. And pretty soon he found something else. It was a notebook, a diary of sorts, but no ordinary diary. Here were words penned by Jessica Reed herself. I killed someone. He was older. I loved it. I wish I could do it all the time. If Greg doesn't watch it, I'm going to just leave one day and I'll do it myself.

[Detective Jim Rohr]

Pretty scary.

[Keith Morrison]

17 years old.

[Detective Jim Rohr]

What this is telling us with this letter is her motivation, how she's feeling, and that she truly was involved in pulling the trigger on at least one of the people there.

[Keith Morrison]

I'm Keith Morrison, and this is Murder in the Moonlight, a podcast from Dateline. Episode four About Face. Detective Jim Rohr was driving back to the station in Beaver Dam, Wisconsin, still shaking his head over what he'd found in that flop house used by Jessica Reed. What did you think?

[Detective Jim Rohr]

I thought jail was the safest place for this girl. She said she loved killing, wished she could do it all the time.

[Keith Morrison]

Just don't expect to hear that from a. The young girl.

[Detective Jim Rohr]

No.

[Keith Morrison]

Clearly, the detective needed to talk to Jessica again. And so he called the jail, and sheriff's deputies once again escorted Jessica from her cell to that dingy gray interview room, where this time, there was no holding back.

[Detective]

You got some explaining to do. And I'm going to tell you right now, I am at the end of my rope over this whole thing between you and young Gregory. I am giving you one opportunity and one opportunity alone to come completely clean with every bit of your involvement in this. So you quit dancing around with me because I know the truth.

[Jessica Reed]

Craig blew the guy's head off, and he shot a hole through the lady's.

[Keith Morrison]

Face, laughing about murder. Well, anyway, there she'd said it. It was Greg Fester who killed the stalks. But why did she write that note? The one found by Detective Rohr?

[Detective]

I killed someone. He was older. I loved it. I wish I could do it all the time. If Greg doesn't watch it, I'm going to just leave one day and go do it myself. You're in a lot of trouble, young lady.

[Jessica Reed]

I didn't kill this guy, though. I didn't have a gun. How am I supposed to kill somebody without a gun? I watched Greg do it. I didn't kill anybody. I am not kidding. I did not kill anybody. I promised you guys this, you know what?

[Detective]

17 years old, and you've just thrown the rest of your life away.

[Keith Morrison]

She tried again to explain the words, and in doing so, she changed her story again. Confessed to firing one gunshot.

[Detective Jim Rohr]

It depended on the day. You interviewed Jessica. One day she's pulling the trigger and shooting the man above his eye. The next day, Greg did it all. It just was so back and forth with her. It was a very, very difficult time. In every interview with her, to really determine how much truth she was giving.

[Keith Morrison]

But the detective absolutely found Jessica Reed to be credible when she admitted one thing. That she enjoyed it.

[Jessica Reed]

Okay, I'll tell you guys what I did like. I liked the adrenaline rush.

[Detective]

I know you did.

[Jessica Reed]

I didn't like what caused the adrenaline rush, but I liked the adrenaline rush. I don't want that adrenaline rush again. I liked it, but I liked it too much. It's like heroin. That's why I've never tried heroin in my life, because I have heard that you like it too much when you do it. So I won't ever do it because I don't want to get addicted to it.

[Keith Morrison]

And that, investigators believe, might have been the most honest thing Jessica Reed said. The rest of the story that Jessica and Greg. Part of the story was told by the science. Ballistics test confirmed that the shell found in Jessica's cigarette box matched the spent shells found at the murder scene. And the murder weapon, well, that turned out to be a gun stolen from the same Wisconsin farm where they stole the red pickup truck. The truck they drove from Wisconsin to Nebraska and then dumped down in Louisiana. And then the forensics lab found blood still clinging to Jessica's clothes and shoes. And so they ran tests and confirmed that blood had once flowed through the veins of victim Wayne Stock. And also while they were there, while they were at it, they teased out DNA from the gold ring and that marijuana pipe the cops found on the ground near the farmhouse. And there was no doubt whose DNA it was. Jessica Reed on the ring, Greg Fester on the pipe. So both of them were charged first degree murder. But over in Nebraska, with the exception of law enforcement, no one knew a thing about the discoveries in Beaver Dam. Even Wayne and Charman Stock's three adult children were kept in the dark as they struggled to grip the wheel of their new, strange lives. One thing to try to move on, quite another to actually do it. His daughter, Tammy.

[Tammy Stark]

We have just lost both our mom and our dad. To lose one is horrible. But to lose both of them and not have those parent figures that kept this family going. Where do we go? How do we help Andy with the farm? How do we let our children have a normal life?

[Keith Morrison]

Terrible questions none of them ever thought they'd have to contemplate. And that second set of confessors, Reed and Fester, they might have done their talking on the moon for all the family knew about it. Same for the accused killers, Matt Lyrus and Nick Sampson. Not a word of the confessions in Wisconsin got to them. And then A few days later, Sampson's defense attorney, Jerry Susi answered the phone and everything changed.

[Jerry Susi]

I got a call saying they've arrested Reed and Fester up in Wisconsin and we got no details on it at all.

[Keith Morrison]

So he waited, not patiently. And then in his frustration, Jerry Susie tried something unorthodox and suddenly everything clicked.

[Jerry Susi]

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[Keith Morrison]

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[Keith Morrison]

It's a tentative police work, an important and accepted principle, though sometimes adhered to grudgingly. When big things happen in murder cases like the one in Murdoch, the public needs to be told at least something. It's understood, however, that crucial details are to be withheld. The arrests of Livers and Sampson had been trumpeted far and wide, but now two more murder charges in a case that apparently had been solved. The arrests of teens Jessica Reed and Greg Fester in of all places, Wisconsin, were announced so quietly that the news, the little of it that was revealed, didn't even get to the people in Murdock, Nebraska. They mostly remained in the dark. Even Nick Sampson's defense attorney, Jerry Susi knew only the barest of detail, which did not sit well with him at all.

[Jerry Susi]

So I called a newspaper reporter. I said, you won't believe this, but they arrested two other people. He called me back about three hours later, and he says, you won't believe this, but I got the arrest warrant from Wisconsin. And he said, do you want to read it? I says, oh, yeah.

[Keith Morrison]

And you got that from a newspaper?

[Jerry Susi]

I got it from a newspaper reporter.

[Keith Morrison]

It didn't come from the prosecutor's doc? No.

[Jerry Susi]

It was being sealed. We would have gotten it later, but I wouldn't have gotten it that quick.

[Keith Morrison]

Yeah.

[Jerry Susi]

And so I met him at a bar, and for the price of a Budweiser, I ended up being able to read the affidavit for the arrest warrant of reading Fester.

[Keith Morrison]

Those affidavits were a revelation. All those details culled from the hours and hours of police interviews with Greg Fester and Jessica Reed.

[Jessica Reed]

Craig blew the guy's head off.

[Keith Morrison]

Defense attorney Susi just couldn't believe his eyes as he read the story of the cigarette case. The shells which matched the shotgun, the marijuana pipe those two teenagers had dropped along the way, the gold ring that set off a whole new investigation, and most tellingly, DNA irrefutably linking Reid and Fester to the crime. Suddenly, it was all beginning to make sense. Remember, Susie's client, Nick Sampson, professed his innocence from day one.

[Detective Jim Rohr]

I'm getting framed for something I didn't do.

[Keith Morrison]

Meantime, defense attorney Julie Bear's client, Matt Libers, confessed, but then told her he didn't do it. So for weeks after the arrests, these attorneys have been asking themselves the very same simple question. Where was the evidence? And they had found? Well, none. In fact, the evidence seemed to be pointing to the very real possibility that both Lives and Sampson were factually innocent. Why? Well, for one, both accused killers had pretty good alibis. Matt Lyver's girlfriend, a woman with an impeccable reputation, insisted that Matt was home all night with her 30 miles away in Lincoln, Nebraska, night of the murders. Same with Nick Sampson's girlfriend, who swore he never left their house that night. She took a polygraph, and she passed it. Samson's attorney, Jerry Susi.

[Jerry Susi]

If she would have thought that Nick had done this, she would have thrown him under the bus in a heartbeat. There was just no doubt about that. She said, he was home with me the entire night, 35 miles away.

[Keith Morrison]

Then the defense lawyers went looking for evidence of those alleged phone calls between Matt and Nick in the days before the murders. Calls in which they supposedly planned it all. As Matt told detectives during his confession.

[Detective]

Did you talk about it over a cell phone, or did you talk face to face? Cell phone.

[Keith Morrison]

But phone records don't lie. And they revealed there wasn't one call, not one, between Matt and Nick in the days before the murders. Matt's defense attorney, Julie Baer, that phone communication never took place. You know, it simply didn't occur. Because you can check all his phone records. Right, but couldn't they have used Jerry? You know, those kind of phones you can buy that you can't trace.

[Jerry Susi]

That's theoretically possible, but there's no evidence of that. I mean, it gets worse than that, because what actually they happened with Matt's phone was Matt, during this period of time when the murder's supposed to be taking place, is texting back and forth with a roommate they had. And there's this. This kind of high school argument about, you were rude to me at dinner. You can't talk to me like that way. So, I mean, you have to have a situation which he's texting back and forth to the roommate about this argument they had, picks up his other phone, plans this murder, coordinates the meeting in Lincoln. They get another car, drive out, do the murder, and then get rid of the evidence. I mean, it was beyond their capability to fake that kind of evidence. But he's. He's texting during the time the murder is supposed to be taking place.

[Keith Morrison]

That's something altogether different.

[Jerry Susi]

Oh, yeah.

[Keith Morrison]

Add to that two more test results. Ballistics tests confirmed that the gun found under Nick's bed was not the murder weapon. And do you remember, detectives found a spot of what looked like blood on Nick's genesis. So that was tested, and it was not human blood at all. And now the arrests of those teenagers from Wisconsin. Two people clearly present at the crime scene, but never mentioned at all in any of Matt Lyber's hours and hours of police interviews. Julie Bear knew what she had to do. She marched over to the jail to ask Matt Liber's favorite face to face about these alleged accomplices, Reed and Fester. Present them with, you know, this is what's being said. Do you know these people? Yeah.

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[Keith Morrison]

It'S a bit of a cliche that some defense attorneys won't ask their clients if they committed the crime they're charged with. Some attorneys just don't want to know. In this case, Julie Bear had been assigned as Matt Liver's defense attorney, knowing full well that he had already confessed to the gruesome double murder of Wayne and Charman Stock. Matt had since changed his story, insisting that he hadn't killed anyone, and Julie had been dutiful in her evaluation of the evidence, looking for anything that would confirm the truth of the confession or any proof of his guilt. And she found none. And now, hearing about the arrests of Gregory Fester and Jessica Reed in Wisconsin for the same murders, she went over to the jail and asked Matt Livers directly if he knew who these two teenagers were and not a clue. Not seen him, never spoke to them. Maybe he was lying to you. Not a chance. It would take another month for copies of those videotaped interrogations of Jessica Reed and Greg Fester to inch their way over to the defense attorneys in Nebraska. But when they finally did, well, now, this sort certainly caught their attention. Jessica Reed had just been asked who was with you? Who helped you commit the murders? Here was her response.

[Jessica Reed]

I know there was nobody else there. It was just me and Greg. That's what happened. I am not kidding. And if no one believes me, then I really want to go back to myself.

[Keith Morrison]

There were no other killers. Just her. Just Greg. And that whole story about meeting Nick Sampson at Bulldog's bar. She had made it up, she said, after detectives showed her a picture of Nick and asked her if it looked familiar. And she said yes, back then, that he looked like the guy who helped them. And that turned out to be Nick. So was Jessica telling the truth in that first interrogation, or now, when she flipped the script 180 degrees, said she'd never seen the guy in her whole life. That's when the prosecutor decided it was time to try a new tactic with Jessica. A very common tactic, by the way, often used because it often works, and not to mention one that saves a lot of time and trouble and money. They would offer Jessica a deal, which was essentially this. If she would agree to testify against Matt Libers and Nick Sampson, if she would reveal once and for all that those two were in fact there at the murders, then the prosecutor could allow Jessica to plead guilty to a lesser charge, serve less time in prison, and potentially send Matt Livers and Nick Sampson to death row. The prosecutor set up a meeting with Jessica and her lawyer. His name is Tom Olson. Here he is.

[J]

We sat down in the conference room and they laid everything out. And Jessica, tell us the truth. We need to know right now. It's time to let us know who was there, when they were there, how long they were there. Everybody right now put it all on the line. Tell us who was there. And Jessica looked at me and asked if we could step outside. And so we stepped outside, and I'll never forget it. She looked at me and she said, I'm screwed.

[Keith Morrison]

Next on Murder in the moonlight, who was telling the truth about that awful night on the farm and what would happen to Matt Libers and Nick Sampson? Now, when Jessica told her tale and.

[J]

I told her, I said, you just got to tell the truth. That's all you can do at this point.

[Keith Morrison]

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