Texas realtor murder case. Arson and fratricide trial in New Jersey. Plus, Martha Moxley podcast.

Summary

Dateline: True Crime Weekly – Episode Summary

Texas Realtor Murder, New Jersey Fratricide Trial, and the Martha Moxley Case
Date: January 22, 2026
Host: Andrea Canning (NBC News)
Guests: Jordan Elder (WOAI San Antonio), Kevin Shea (NJ.com), Andrew Goldman & Alexa Danner (Dead: The Martha Moxley Murder podcast), Veronica Mazeka (Dateline producer)

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Overview

This episode dives into three major crime stories:

• The disappearance and presumed murder of Texas realtor Suzanne Simpson.
• The high-profile New Jersey fratricide and arson trial of Paul Canero.
• A special behind-the-scenes look at NBC’s new podcast investigating the 1975 Martha Moxley murder.

Each case covers developments in recent trials, courtroom drama, and exclusive reporting, all delivered in Dateline’s signature style.

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Segment 1: The Disappearance and Suspected Murder of Suzanne Simpson (Texas Realtor Case)

[02:00 – 10:00]

Key Discussion Points

• Background: Suzanne Simpson, a well-known realtor and mother of four, went missing in an affluent suburb of San Antonio, TX, on October 7, 2024. Her absence at school pickup triggered immediate concern and a police investigation.
• Neighbors’ Reports: Neighbors reported hearing Suzanne and her husband, Brad Simpson, arguing on the night she disappeared. One neighbor saw Suzanne walk toward nearby woods after Brad forcibly grabbed her ([04:13] C).
• Evidence:
  • Forensic: DNA belonging to Suzanne was found on a motorized saw, presumed to be from Brad’s home ([05:10] C).
  • Behavioral: Brad was seen buying cleaning supplies and concrete. Surveillance footage showed trash bags and a suspicious object under a tarp in his truck ([05:48] C).
  • Pattern: Suzanne never used her phone or bank accounts after her disappearance. Brad, not Suzanne, dropped their child at school the next day; the child later told teachers, “I saw my dad hitting my mom” ([06:18] C).
• Accomplice Allegations: Brad’s colleague, James “Val” Cotter, was charged with helping hide a weapon. Investigators found Brad’s gun concealed in Cotter’s house, behind a false wall ([07:03] C).
• Defense Strategy:
  • Claims of possible evidence tampering after the mayor was allegedly allowed to review evidence.
  • Questions over investigators' credibility and evidence integrity ([07:51] C).
• Personal Moments:
  • Courtroom scene described: “He came in, he was in his red jumpsuit and was shackled… The people there to support Suzanne… they all wear pink and purple…” ([08:53] C).
  • Trial postponed due to incoming new evidence ([09:36] C).

Notable Quotes

• “Suzanne was always the one to take their youngest daughter to school… the fact that it was Brad on surveillance video dropping their child off raised a lot of red flags.” – Jordan Elder ([06:18])
• “I saw my dad hitting my mom.” – Child’s report to teachers ([06:18])
• “We need to do an audit of this evidence because what if it has been tampered with?” – Jordan Elder on defense claims ([07:51])

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Segment 2: New Jersey Fratricide and Arson Trial – Paul Canero

[10:54 – 19:00]

Key Discussion Points

• Case Recap: In 2018, Paul Canero was accused of murdering his brother Keith (also his business partner), Keith’s wife, and their two children, then setting the family home — and his own, with his family inside — on fire to conceal evidence ([11:00] B).
• Motive Allegations:
  • Financial struggles, lifestyle outpacing means, theft from a life insurance trust. Prosecutors say Paul stood to benefit only if the entire family was dead ([13:22] A).
  • Defense argues another brother, Corey, was a possible suspect and had worse financial troubles.
• Key Testimonies:
  • Ben Paolucci (Keith’s friend): Recalled Keith seeking jobs at Amazon, suggesting a split with Paul ([14:23] A).
    • “I told Keith he needed to start worrying about himself and his family, stop supporting everybody else.” – Ben Paolucci ([14:53] A)
  • Det. Deborah Basander (Forensic Accounting Expert): Testified Paul had over $700,000 in annual living expenses—three Porsches, two homes, an affair, and negative bank balances ([15:21] A).
  • Home Security Audio: Dramatic confrontations between Keith and Paul over stolen funds played in court.
    • “Give me the f---ing login, Paul, so I can see where the money went!” – Keith Canero ([12:12]; [16:16])
• Other Key Witness:
  • Yazelle Restrepo: Paul’s close friend/possible romantic interest. Under cross-examination, described herself as Paul’s “best friend”; prosecutors presented her as just a friend ([17:53] A).
• Defense Response: Described the prosecution’s motive theory as “absurd,” argued Paul loved his family ([17:01] A).

Notable Quotes & Moments

• “He had lease payments on three Porsches… for an Audi and an apartment for another woman.” – Kevin Shea recapping forensic evidence ([15:21] A)
• “Please wake the f--- up, Paul.” – Keith Canero on security camera night of the murders ([16:16] A)
• “The defense says it is absurd that Paul would kill Keith’s wife and his niece and nephew. He loved those kids.” – Kevin Shea ([17:01] A)

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Segment 3: Dateline Roundup – Fast Hits on High-Profile Cases

[20:55 – 27:26]

1. Fairfax County, VA—IRS Agent Murder Plot

• Brendan Banfield: On trial for murdering his wife and a stranger to be with the family au pair.
• Prosecution: Claimed Banfield and the au pair (who turned state’s witness) lured the stranger for a staged murder scene ([21:23] D).
• Defense: Attacked investigation integrity, focused on creating reasonable doubt ([23:06] D).

2. Susan Embert Verdict – South Georgia

• Outcome: Found guilty for the third time of killing her husband and staging it as a suicide ([24:02] D).
• Victim's Family Statement:
  • “He’s since picked up those pieces that you left shattered… he is now an officer of the law. The laws you broke, he now enforces.” – Catherine, daughter-in-law ([24:25] C)

3. Luigi Mangione – Manhunt & Arrest

• Accused: Shooting UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson. Arrested at a McDonald's in Altoona, PA.
• 911 Call:
  • “Is this individual still there?” [Manager]: “Yes, he’s still in the back of our lobby by the bathroom.” ([25:44] A)
• Legal Proceedings: Defense challenging search of backpack and Miranda rights. Trial expected to begin between late 2026 and early 2027 ([27:26] D).

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Segment 4: The Martha Moxley Case & New NBC Podcast Series

[27:34 – 32:34]

Key Discussion Points

• Background: Martha Moxley, a 15-year-old, found bludgeoned to death in 1975 in Greenwich, CT.
• Michael Skakel (Kennedy cousin): Convicted in 2002, served 11 years, conviction overturned in 2018. Charges dropped in 2020, but questions about the case remain.
• Podcast Approach: Host Andrew Goldman extensively researched police files and Martha’s own diary, offering exclusive interviews—including with Michael Skakel.
• Giving Martha a Voice:
  • Podcast includes dramatized diary excerpts, never-before-heard insights ([31:26] B).
  • “Martha is the only person who’s never had a voice in this case. And by listening… you can really get a sense of this incredibly lively, interesting young 15-year-old.” – Andrew Goldman ([31:39] A)
• Alternative Suspects: Goldman suggests possible dangers overlooked in the investigation and asserts:
  • “I don’t believe that Michael Skakel should have been imprisoned for this crime.” ([32:01] A)
• Unreleased Evidence: Tease of new physical evidence, specifically “a mysterious blood stain” possibly not properly pursued by police ([32:08] B).

Notable Quotes

• “He literally kicked me from one room, through the bathroom… my mother just saying, ‘Jesus Christ, quit kicking the kid. You’re gonna kill him.’” – Michael Skakel, remembering family trauma ([30:41] A)
• “You can binge all episodes of Dead Certain: The Martha Moxley Murder wherever you get your podcasts.” – Andrea Canning ([32:22] B)

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Timestamps Guide

| Segment | Description | Timestamp | |---------------------------|-----------------------------------------------------|-------------| | Texas Realtor Murder | Suzanne Simpson disappearance, evidence, court drama | 02:00–10:00 | | New Jersey Fratricide Trial | Paul Canero case, dramatic testimonies, financial motive | 10:54–19:00 | | Dateline Roundup | Banfield murder plot, Embert verdict, Mangione case | 20:55–27:26 | | Martha Moxley Podcast Preview | Exclusive reporting, new theories, undisclosed evidence | 27:34–32:34 |

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Memorable Moments

• The emotional, community solidarity shown for Suzanne Simpson in court—supporters dressed in her favorite colors ([08:53] C).
• Hearing Keith Canero’s urgent, desperate voice on security audio hours before his murder: “Give me the f---ing login, Paul!” ([16:16] A).
• The rare interview access to Michael Skakel, recounting his troubled childhood and years under suspicion ([30:41] A).
• A victim’s family finding closure: “The laws you broke, he now enforces.” – Catherine, Jake Embert’s daughter-in-law ([24:25] C).

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Episode Takeaways

• Complex family drama and financial desperation can escalate into tragic outcomes, as shown in both the Texas and New Jersey cases.
• Investigative integrity and evidence handling are becoming central battlegrounds for defense teams.
• The Martha Moxley case highlights the power of persistent journalism—and the enduring complexity of cold cases with ties to American dynasties.

For more on all three stories, binge the latest Dateline episode or check out “Dead: The Martha Moxley Murder,” available now.

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Transcript

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It was quite a scene in the court. Was there a cause of death?

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Welcome to DATELINE True Crime Weekly. I'm Andrea Canning. It's January 22nd and here's what's on our docket. In central New Jersey, it's week two in the trial of a businessman accused of murdering four of his relatives, including including his own brother. The prosecutor played audio of the brothers arguing just hours before the murders.

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Here's a In DATELINE roundup, the prosecution rests in the murder trial of former IRS agent Brendan Banfield. And new details on the arrest of Luigi Mangione will play you the 911 call.

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Plus the the reporting team behind an all new podcast series on the murder of Connecticut teenager Martha Moxley. They tell us about their exclusive interviews with Michael Skakel, the Kennedy cousin whose conviction for the murder was tossed out after he spent 11 years in prison.

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But before all that, we're off to a wealthy suburb of San Antonio, Texas, for the latest in the case of murdered mom and realtor Suzanne Simpson. On October 7, 2024, Texas realtor Suzanne Simpson did not show up to school to pick up her young daughter. A few hours later, her friend called the police to report her missing. Clear alert has been activated for a missing mom out of almost Park. If you see her, you're asked to call police right away or 91 1. Tips began pouring in, including one from a neighbor who told law enforcement he'd seen Suzanne and Her husband Brad arguing the night before she disapp and that he heard screams coming from the woods near the couple's home. Two days after Suzanne went missing, Brad Simpson was arrested on family violence charges. A few weeks later, even though her body has never been found, Brad was charged with murder.

[C]

This obviously is not the development that Suzanne's loved ones and community wanted to hear.

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And Brad wasn't the only man arrested in connection with the alleged crime. His colleague, a man by the name of James Cotter, was charged with helping him hide a weapon. Neither of the men has entered a plea. Brad Simpson appeared in court this week, and my next guest, Jordan Elder from our affiliate WOAI San Antonio, was there. She joins us now to tell us what she's learned about the case. Welcome to the podcast, Jordan.

[C]

Thank you for having me.

[B]

So what can you tell us about Suzanne and Brad Simpson and their story, their relationship?

[C]

Brad and Suzanne were very well known in San Antonio. She was a very well known realtor, and Brad had a couple different business ventures going on. But they had four children, the youngest of which who was about five at the time.

[B]

Yeah. And she. So she's 51 and she has, you know, these four children between the ages of five and 20. Something. I know. Well, I'm between six and 16, and I'm, you know, 53 years old. So, you know, sort of hits close to home when you, when you look at those details. Take us back to October 6th. That's the day before Suzanne missed school pickup. This is when the neighbor told police he saw the couple fighting. What were Brad and Suzanne doing that night? And what does the neighbor say that he saw?

[C]

So before any of this happened, we know that Brad and Suzanne were at this very exclusive club in Alamo Heights called the Argyll Club. And they were seen arguing inside that club. And then they left after they got home. That's when the neighborhood reported not only hearing Suzanne yelling, but watching Brad put his hands on her. She was kind of resisting him. And he apparently saw Suzanne walk toward the woods. He was hearing yelling. He reported that at some point that night, he knew that Brad's truck left and then came back, but he didn't see Suzanne again.

[B]

So, Jordan, over those first few weeks, investigators conducted extensive searches in that wooded area near the Simpsons home. They also searched a local landfill, but never found her body. What evidence do they say they have that a murder even took place? How do they know Suzanne didn't just up and leave?

[C]

In the indictment documents, it talks about this motorized saw that people use in construction. They Found DNA on that motorized saw. And when they ran it, it ended up being Suzanne's. And they kind of used that to show the grand jury and to show the judge. We don't believe that she is alive because of this.

[B]

This saw, Was it from the home owned by Brad?

[C]

They haven't specified, but that that's kind of the implication is that it belonged to him.

[B]

Also, investigators say Brad bought cleaning supplies in the days after the fight.

[C]

Cleaning supplies? Concrete. Surveillance video showed trash bags in the back of his car, and there was a large object under a tarp with some things over it holding it in place. And from the way investigators talk about it, that is not typically in his truck.

[B]

Okay, so there were also some technical things. Suzanne hasn't used her phone or credit cards. Then there's the classic, you know, she's a mom before. She would never leave her kids behind.

[C]

That's been a big detail in this case, too. Suzanne was always the one to take their youngest daughter to school, always the one to pick her up. So the day after Suzanne is last seen, the fact that it was Brad on surveillance video dropping their child off at school raised a lot of red flags. And in the arrest affidavit, we know that their child went to school and mentioned to her teachers, I saw my dad hitting my mom. So that was kind of their first clue that maybe something worse had happened.

[B]

We mentioned a name off the top. James Cotter. He's the second man charged in connection with the disappearance of Suzanne. What do prosecutors say his role was in all of this?

[C]

They believe that James Cotter, who goes by Val, helped Brad hide evidence. They identified some text messages between Brad Simpson and Val Kotter, saying things like, make sure and leave all of that stuff in the pump house, especially the gun. So that was the red flag for investigators talking about potentially hiding a gun. So they went and did a search of Cotter's house. They did end up finding an illegally modified weapon, and it was hidden behind a false wall somewhere where it was clear that he didn't want people to find it. When they were able to finally find that weapon, they did confirm that it was Brad's gun.

[B]

Prosecutors allege that all the evidence we just talked about proves that Brad murdered Suzanne and then disposed of the body. How is the defense planning to defend him?

[C]

We got a glimpse into that strategy in court this week. The defense did a really, really long filing, and they talk about how the Almost park police chief, which is the agency that was originally handling this investigation, at one point in time, let the mayor of the city review all of the evidence. So they're saying this is something that was supposed to be secure. We need to do an audit of this evidence because what if it has been tampered with? What if it's been changed? And they also said in this filing that some of the key investigators involved in this case had not disclosed some of their past infractions. So the strategy that we kind of see emerging right now is is this evidence still pristine and are the people presenting it going to be able to do so correctly?

[B]

Jordan, you mentioned Brad was in court. It was Tuesday. He was in court for a pretrial hearing. Did he say anything? Did he do anything?

[C]

Especially in Bexar county, there's always a very stark contrast between the people who are in jail awaiting murder trial and other trials. The people who are waiting for murder trials are always dressed in red. So he came in, he was in his red jumpsuit and was shackled at the wrists and at the ankles. You don't typically see a lot of emotion for him. And it was the same in court this week. The other thing that has stayed really consistent is the people there to support Suzanne. It was two full rows and they all wear pink and purple bandanas around their neck or pink and purple clothes to signify that they're with her because those were her favorite colors.

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His trial, Brad's, was scheduled for February, but that changed during the hearing.

[C]

They have pushed it back. Essentially. The state said that they keep getting new waves of evidence that they need to go through, so they requested a continuance. The defense wasn't majorly excited about that. I think they really want to get this to trial, but the judge ended up granting it.

[B]

All right. We will await a trial date. Jordan, thank you so much for this update. We'll come back to you as the trial gets underway.

[C]

Thank you so much for having me.

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Coming up, a New Jersey man on trial for allegedly killing four family members. Prosecutors describe a brother's rift.

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Give me the f ing login, Paul, so I can see where the money went.

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That is Keith demanding the login information for his family's trust and an explanation for where the money went instead of giving it to him. Prosecutors say Paul killed Keith and his family. Paul's defense team says the alleged motive is absurd, that the money in dispute was small change for the brothers and that prosecutors have the wrong man behind bars. Here to bring us the latest from inside the courtroom is NJ.com reporter Kevin Shea. Kevin, thank you for joining us.

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Thanks for having me.

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So, Kevin, this is one of the biggest cases in New Jersey in recent years. What has it been like in that courtroom?

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The courtroom's been a mix of very steady, almost standard kind of testimonies. There have also been several moments of high drama and heartbreak. 911 calls, body cams, some very dramatic footage and audio in the courtroom.

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Okay. So we talked about opening statements on the show last week. Can you remind our listeners how the prosecution and defense set the stage for jurors in this quite complicated case?

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Sure. The prosecution painted a picture that Paul was struggling financially in over his head with an expensive lifestyle, learned his business partner, brother Keith, had plans of not only cutting off his salary, but moving on professionally. Keith then discovered that Paul was stealing from him, specifically from a life insurance trust fund. Now, authorities allege that Paul knew that he would benefit from this life insurance policy only if Keith and his entire family were dead. The defense has floated the theory that the third Canaro brother, Corey Canaro, also would benefit if Keith had died and that Corey was actually in worse financial situation than Paul. So they're definitely throwing some. Some doubt out there that. That the authorities not only have the wrong brother, but didn't even investigate Corey.

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The prosecution talked about the brother's relationship being in trouble, that there was this growing rift. And to help them make this point, they called on a close friend of Keith's by the name of Ben Paolucci.

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Yeah.

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Ben testified about the last time he spoke with Keith. They last were together Saturday before the murders. Ben worked at Amazon and was referring Keith to all sorts of positions at the company. So if Keith was applying to roles at Amazon, it certainly suggests that he had intentions of closing the family business with Paul and leaving him without income. During the testimony, Ben also talked about how he was trying to give Keith some advice.

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And Kevin, we actually have a clip of Ben talking about that to the prosecutor in court. Let's take a listen to that.

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I told Keith he needed to start worrying about himself and his family, stop supporting everybody else. And when you said everybody else did, do you recall whether or not you mentioned Paul? It was Paul specifically?

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Yeah.

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Sometime after that, the prosecution called a forensic accounting expert, Detective Deborah Basander, to the stand. And she really spoke to the heart of the state's case against Paul about this financial trouble that she says he was in.

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That's right. The detective examined Paul's bank statements in the years leading up to the murders and learned that his living expenses totaled more than $700,000. He had lease payments on three Porsches. He had mortgage payments, credit card debt. He also made payments for an Audi and an apartment for another woman. Now, this woman Paul was allegedly supporting was described in prior pretrial testimony as a woman that he was having an.

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Affair with this expert. The detective also talked about what Paul did to try to make up the difference. Because at the time of the murders, he was in the negative with his bank accounts.

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Correct. The main financial crux, she testified, is that Paul stole money from the Keith Canaro Insurance trust fund.

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And this is the missing money Keith confronted Paul over in the hours before the murders.

[A]

Correct. They played two calls that Keith made to Paul were not like regular phone calls. They were actually calls that you could Hear and see Keith from inside his home. He had a security system that recorded the calls. And so you can actually see Keith at one point calling Paul and asking for answers. And he demands a password and information from Paul. And it. It's. It's very dramatic. Paul, I'm telling you, I need it. I need it. I need it. Give me the log in, Paul, so I could see where the money went. Please wake the up, Paul.

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It is very haunting to hear Keith's voice so close to his death. How did the defense handle this on cross examination?

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Sure. I mean, the defense says it's absurd that Paul would kill Keith and his. Keith's wife and his niece and nephew. He loved those kids. He loved the family. These financial differences, you know, the defense says in no way means that Paul would drive over and kill Keith and wipe out his family.

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The prosecution called the woman you talked about. Her name is Yazelle Restrepo, and she had a translator with her. Let's take a listen.

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How did you learn about the fire at Paul Canaro's house? They sent me a very short text.

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Letting me know that there was a fire at his house. Prosecutors characterized this relationship between Yazelle and Paul as a friendship for the jurors. So not as the other woman, which is how they described her in pre trial hearings. Can you clear that up for us?

[A]

I'm not really sure where the change came from, but the. It was Yazelle herself who said under direct questioning that she was friends with Paul when she got on the stand, she said she paid her own rent and she generally supported herself. Paul did lease her an Audi, she said, and twice they traveled to her native Colombia. And she said they were friends, and then under cross examination, said best friends.

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Prosecutors went on to ask Giselle if she had any idea that Paul was in debt.

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Was there ever a point in time in 2018 when Paul talked to you about any financial difficulty that he was having?

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No, no.

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God, no.

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Never.

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So how is she helping the prosecution paint this portrait of a man under financial stress?

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I'm not totally sure about that. You know, we're very early into this prosecution, clearly, who might take six weeks to fully lay out their case.

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We'll have to see where they go with this. Thank you so much for bringing this to us.

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Yeah, thanks for having me. Appreciate it.

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Up next, it's time for Dateline Roundup. The latest in the trial of a man accused of masterminding a double murder so he could run off with the family au pair. And Excerpts from the 911 call in the Luigi Mangioni case. Plus a new podcast series on the murder of Martha Moxley, the Greenwich, Connecticut teen found beaten to death with a golf club. 50 years.

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We're starting off this week in Fairfax County, Virginia, with a trial in a case we've talked a lot about. This is the trial of former IRS agent Brendan Banfield, who prosecutors say murdered two people so he could be with his lover, the family au pair. He has pleaded not guilty. The prosecution's theory involves one of the most elaborate murder plots we've come across. Veronica, just remind us of what that plot entailed.

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So prosecutors say Brendan wanted out of his marriage with Christine so he could start a life over with the family au pair who looked after their daughter. She was a young Brazilian woman by the name of Juliana Perez Magalais. And prosecutors say that Brendan and Juliana lured Joe Ryan, who is a complete stranger, to the Banfield's home by posing as Christine on a fetish website and setting up a sexual encounter. When Ryan came to the house for that encounter, the prosecution says that Brendan shot him, stabbed Christine, and then staged the scene to make it look like Ryan had attacked his wife and he had shot Ryan to try and stop the attack. So, yeah, definitely. Very complicated.

[B]

Last week, Veronica, we talked about the bombshell testimony of the au pair. Juliana, Brendan's lover and alleged partner in crime. She flipped on him before trial and agreed to testify against Brendan in return for reduced charges. She has pleaded guilty to manslaughter in connection to the death of Joe Ryan, the man they allegedly lured to the house. We were all a bit surprised that the prosecution put Juliana on the stand, the au pair, so quickly on day one of testimony. What else did we see after that from the prosecution?

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Yeah.

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So the prosecution's case has been much more technical since then. They've called a series of timeline witnesses to try and corroborate Juliana's story. Like the manager of the gun range where she said Brendan took her shooting. Otherwise, it's been mostly forensic experts testifying about the crime scene. Possibly. The idea here is that the jury might wonder about Juliana's credibility, but physical evidence can't be explained away.

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How did the defense counter these findings?

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Brendan's attorney tried to paint a picture of a messy investigation, pressing all of the prosecution's expert witnesses on what was tested and what was not and the integrity of the crime scene. The defense strategy here is to create doubt for the jury.

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Okay, so the defense started calling its first witnesses on Wednesday, including police officers and a digital forensics expert. We'll report back on what they have to say and be on the look out for closing statements and a verdict. For our next story, Veronica, we're heading to South Georgia, where a verdict has been reached in the Susan Ember trial. This is the case we told you about a few weeks ago, involving a woman who was accused of fatally shooting her husband, Jake. And she's accused of staging Jake's death to look like a suicide. Veronica, this has been a long journey for everyone in this case.

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Yes, this is the third time that Susan Embert has stood trial for the death of her husband.

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So, Veronica, what did the jury decide After.

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After about three and a half hours of deliberation over two days, they came back with a guilty verdict.

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And how did Jake's family take that? How are they doing? I know they've been pushing for justice for him for years.

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So Jake's daughter, Rachel Embert and daughter in law, Catherine, both gave victim impact statements to the court. Catherine talked about how Jake's son has dealt with his death. I want you to know what you.

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Did, what you stole, what you broke. Did not leave him broken. He's since picked up those pieces that you left shattered you see, now, he is an officer of the law. The laws you broke he now enforces.

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He arrests and puts away the people.

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Who do the things that you have done.

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What's next for Susan? Will she appeal?

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Her sentencing hearing is scheduled for January 28, and her defense attorney says they do plan to appeal, citing concerns of the 911 call that was played in court.

[B]

Okay, we'll keep an eye out for that. Speaking of 911 calls, for our last story, we are turning to the case of Luigi Mangione. He is the man accused of gunning down UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson outside a Manhattan hotel in December 2024, prompting a nationwide manhunt. Last week, local Altoona station WTAJ, a CBS affiliate, got its hands on the 911 call leading up to his arrest. First, Veronica just set the scene for us of where this call was made and why.

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So the police released several surveillance images of the suspect the day after the shooting. Four days later, a McDonald's manager in Altoona, Pennsylvania, called 911 to tell them that customers were complaining about a man that looked like the suspected shooter. And the manager said she didn't know what to do.

[B]

Okay, let's take a listen to some of that 911 call.

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I have a customer here that some other customers were suspicious of, that he looks like the CEO shooter from New York. Okay. So they're just really upset, and they're, like, coming to me, and I was like, well, I can't approach him, you know? No, of course not. Okay, is this individual still there? Yes, he's still in the back of our lobby by the bathroom. But he's wearing a black sweater jacket with a medical mask and a tan khaki colored, like, beanie.

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So the call was over five minutes long. And the operator stayed on the phone with the manager until police arrived, and that's when Mangione was arrested. He faces both federal and state charges for murder and stalking, to which he has pleaded not guilty.

[B]

How law enforcement handled that arrest has been the subject of court hearings we've talked about on the podcast. Luigi Mangione's defense argued that the police illegally searched his backpack without a warrant and that his Miranda rights weren't read to him before they questioned him. Veronica, what's the latest on that?

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There's another hearing scheduled for this tomorrow, Friday, to determine whether the content of Manioni's backpack could be included in the trial. That could be a big deal because police. Police found potentially incriminating items inside, including a loaded 3D printed handgun. And a notebook with writing that was critical of insurance companies. And another quick update. We do have a possible trial date. The judge said she expects the federal trial to begin in December this year or January 2027 if the death penalty is still on the table. If not, the trial could begin as soon as October. Either way, she expects jury selection to begin around September 8th.

[B]

Okay, we're getting closer. Thank you, Veronica, for that and for all of these updates. Much appreciated.

[D]

Thank you.

[B]

In 1975, the body of 15 year old Martha Moxley was found in the backyard of her Greenwich, Connecticut home. She'd been beaten to death with a golf club. Since then, her murder has horrified and transfixed the country, in part because 25 years later, the man arrested for the crime was related to one of America's most famous family families, the Kennedys.

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Kennedy nephew, Michael Skakel, now 39, charged with murdering his Greenwich, Connecticut neighbor, Martha Moxley.

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In 2002, a jury found Michael Skakel guilty of killing Martha. Michael always maintained his innocence. And in 2018, the Connecticut Supreme Court threw out his conviction on the grounds that he had received ineffective assistance of counsel. Two years later, prosecutors dropped the charges against him altogether. Now, 50 years after the murder, the question still remains, will there ever be justice for Martha Moxley? For one of my next guests, reporter Andrew Goldman, that question became something of an obsession. He pored over the case file, unearthing police interviews, investigative reports, and even Martha's diary. He also persuaded people to talk about the case who had never spoken before, including Michael Skakel himself. Had no idea when Martha was killed, had no idea what happened.

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I was a good fall guy.

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You can listen to all of that and more in Dead the Martha Moxley Murder, an all new 12 part podcast from NBC News Studios. Andrew is here along with the show's executive producer Alexa Danner to talk about what they found out. Thanks for joining us, Andrew and Alexa.

[A]

Oh, it's my great pleasure. Thank you so much for having me.

[B]

Happy to be here. Why do both of you think that this case just received so much attention over the years? I think first of all, the story, obviously it originates in this really exclusive enclave of Connecticut. Martha was an attractive female blonde, which, as you know, especially historically, the media was very interested in covering those kinds of stories. But I think the real reason is that there have just been so many milestones along the way. Like with every year that passes, there's new suspects, there's new twists in the case, there's new revelations, new characters get involved. This is a case 50 years old. And you're doing a podcast about it. How do you go about that? A lot of people, I would imagine, have maybe died at this point. You know, memories fade.

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You know, a lot. A lot of people have died. But I had the advantage of becoming close to certain members of the Skakel family, and I think that gained their trust in a certain way. You know, Michael Skakel, of course, when he was tried, did not testify. So his voice was very much a mystery. But this is a man who I think, for 50 years has been really, really wanting to talk about his case. And he's had very smart lawyers saying, you'd be out of your mind if you talked about this case.

[B]

Michael does have a lot to say. He didn't become a suspect in the case of a real suspect until the late 1990s, but even prior to that, he had a really complex and traumatic life. And you hear a lot about that in the podcast, what he's been through personally.

[A]

He literally kicked me from one room, through the bathroom, through nail and into the back hallway against the wall. I remember having my hands over my head and my mother just saying, jesus Christ, quit kicking the kid. Quit kicking the kid. You're gonna kill him.

[B]

Andrew, you mentioned also you had excerpts from Martha's diary. So, you know, what did you learn?

[A]

Well, what's interesting about Martha's diary is actually they introduced it into evidence in the trial, but when you look at it, you find a lot of clues, none of which actually point towards Michael. I think that you meet a lot of characters and a lot of situations in her diary that would suggest that perhaps there were dangers that had never been investigated.

[B]

You know, we use Martha's diary in the podcast as a way to bring Martha to life. We have her entries voiced by an actor, and we were very intentional about trying to give her a voice because she cannot speak from the grave. There's no recordings, there's no tapes of her.

[A]

Martha is the only person who's never had a voice in this case. And by listening to these, you know, incredibly personal, very, very touching diaries, I think that finally you can really get a sense of this incredibly lively, interesting young 15 year old.

[B]

You believe, Andrew, that there is certainly room to look at other suspects here.

[A]

I don't think it's going to be a huge spoiler to say that, that I don't believe that Michael Skakel should have been imprisoned for this crime.

[B]

In the last episode, you have some compelling new physical evidence. I know you don't want to give too much away, but there's a mysterious blood stain that you talk about.

[A]

So it was incredibly compelling and it was something I feel like the Greenwich police didn't properly follow up on.

[B]

Very intriguing. Okay. For our listeners and your listeners, you can binge all episodes of Dead Certain the Martha Moxley Murder wherever you get your podcast. Andrew and Alexa, thank you for joining us.

[A]

I'm so grateful for your interest.

[B]

Thanks so much, Andrea. That's it for this episode of Dateline True Crime Weekly. To get ad free listening for all our podcasts, subscribe to Dateline Premium. Coming up this Friday on Dateline, I've got a brand new episode for you. A suspicious house fire in Texas leaves a mother dead. But once her killer is behind bars, investigators wonder if more than one person was was involved. Especially after a murder for hire plot is uncovered.

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Something's gonna happen because that's my only way out.

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Watch Secrets in the ashes Friday at 98 Central on NBC. Thanks for listening. Dateline True Crime Weekly is produced by Carson Cummins, Caroline Casey, and Keani Reed. Our associate producers are Ellery Gladstone Groth and Aria Young. Our senior producer is the Liz Brown Kurloff production and fact checking help by Audrey Abrahams. Veronica Mazeka is our digital producer. Rick Kwan is our sound designer. Original Music by Jesse McGinty. Paul Ryan is executive producer and Liz Cole is senior executive producer of Dateline.

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All right, action packed meeting.

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