De 7 – Episode 10/11 Summary
Host: Bert Rymen (De Tijd)
Expert Guest: Ellen Vermorgen (Beursexperte)
Date: November 10, 2025
Episode Overview
This episode of De 7 offers listeners a sharp and informed week-ahead briefing focused on global business, markets, and climate events. Host Bert Rymen is joined by investment and stock market expert Ellen Vermorgen. Together, they unpack the COP30 climate summit’s slow start, delve into earnings reports from KBC, CoreWeave and other AI-related firms, and reflect on tech market trends, macro signals from major economies, and upcoming major shopping events like Singles Day and Black Friday.
Key Discussion Points & Insights
1. COP30-Klimaattop: Sceptisch Begin
- The COP30 climate summit kicks off amid muted expectations and a lack of momentum from major economies.
- Ellen Vermorgen notes that the summit starts "zonder de verenig de start" (without united momentum), and that priorities are diverse and not well-aligned this year.
2. AI Bubble: Voorzichtigheid Op de Beurzen
- There’s increasing skepticism surrounding the ‘AI bubble’ in the stock market.
- Ellen Vermorgen [01:08]:
“De frases over een ‘burst bubble’ of een ‘AI bubble’ specifiek is deze week opmerkelijk sterk; het is opvallend zwakker dan vorige rapporteringen.”
(“The talk about a ‘burst bubble’ or an ‘AI bubble’ specifically is notably strong this week; it’s significantly weaker than previous reports.”)
- Major investment banks, such as Morgan Stanley and Goldman Sachs, are no longer as rationally enthusiastic about the sector.
3. AI & Tech: Infrastructuur en Financiële Druk
- Heavy investment continues in AI infrastructure (data centers, chips), but concerns grow about sustainability.
- Quote [02:13]:
“Er worden miljarden geïnvesteerd in datacenters, en AI-toepassingen en ontwerpers hebben dat allemaal nodig. Maar lang is deze situatie niet houdbaar.”
(“Billions are being invested in data centers, and both AI applications and designers need all that. But this situation isn’t sustainable for long.”)
- Ellen highlights that, since April, the tech sector has faced its toughest market period.
4. Macroeconomic Signalen: VS, China, UK & Nederland
- The global economy remains mixed, with cautious growth signals from the US, China, UK, and the Netherlands.
- Ellen Vermorgen [03:05]:
“Morgen zien we dinsdag om 07:00 economische activiteitcijfers van oktober, altijd belangrijk voor beleggers.”
(“Tomorrow, Tuesday at 07:00, we see economic activity figures for October, always important for investors.”)
5. Aandelen & Resultaten: KBC, CoreWeave, Andere Techspelers
- Upcoming earnings will shine a light on financial health in banking and AI.
- Short preview of expectations for KBC, CoreWeave, and other major AI-driven companies this earnings week.
6. Consument & Marktdynamiek: Singles Day & Black Friday
- Shopping events such as Singles Day (China) and Black Friday drive both optimism and concern in consumer markets.
- Bert refers to both events as having "enorme impact, maar tegelijk ook groeiende voorzichtigheid vanuit beleggers."
7. Nieuwe Themas, Lokale Expertise & Ondernemers
- The week also presents new financial themes and opportunities for entrepreneurs, with rising attention to venture finance and local tech expertise.
Memorable Quotes & Timestamps
- Ellen Vermorgen on AI bubble skepticism [01:08]:
“De frases over een ‘burst bubble’ of een ‘AI bubble’ specifiek is deze week opmerkelijk sterk; het is opvallend zwakker dan vorige rapporteringen.”
- Ellen on tech investment sustainability [02:13]:
“Er worden miljarden geïnvesteerd in datacenters, en AI-toepassingen en ontwerpers hebben dat allemaal nodig. Maar lang is deze situatie niet houdbaar.”
- Ellen on economic indicators [03:05]:
“Morgen zien we dinsdag om 07:00 economische activiteitcijfers van oktober, altijd belangrijk voor beleggers.”
Timeline of Key Topics
- 00:09–01:00: Intro & Overview with Ellen Vermorgen; focus on climate and AI
- 01:00–02:30: Stock market concerns, AI investment skepticism
- 02:30–03:40: Macro-outlook: economic signals, upcoming data
- 03:40–04:30: Earnings preview: KBC, CoreWeave, AI stocks
- 04:30–05:15: Consumer market insights: Singles Day, Black Friday
- 05:15–end: New themes for entrepreneurs; financial trends; recap
Tone & Style
Conversational yet analytical; both Bert and Ellen foster a sense of urgency for investors, tempered by skepticism and realism about tech exuberance and the slow-moving climate agenda. The episode is brisk, information-dense, and practical for listeners seeking an advantage as the week begins.
