A Little Bit of Everything… and Then We Talk MomTok

Summary

De-Influenced with Dani + Jordan

Episode: "A Little Bit of Everything… and Then We Talk MomTok"

Date: April 9, 2026
Hosts: Dani and Jordan
Producer: Dear Media

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Episode Overview

In this wide-ranging episode, Dani and Jordan deliver an open, unscripted conversation about life lately. The pair touch on everything from illnesses and medicine mishaps, to social media habits, spring cleaning, AI's growing role in education, and their ongoing negotiations as co-parents. The latter half of the episode zeroes in on the world of “MomTok” and reality TV—most notably, the fallout from "Secret Life of Mormon Wives" and what happens when influencer families go through public turbulence. Throughout, Dani and Jordan’s hallmark is their honest—sometimes vulnerable—dissection of pop culture, parenting, and the tension between public and private life.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Illness, Medication, and "Beating the System"

• Dani’s Easter: Both were recovering from strep throat during another rainy Easter. Dani shares how she managed to get amoxicillin prescribed despite being marked “allergic” in her medical records ([00:25–04:45]).

  • Notable Quote:

    “Something in my soul told me. I was like, I just know. I'm not. I knew that it was a bunch of baloney.” — Dani, [03:04]

• Medical Anxieties: Dani and Jordan joke about potential side effects and how close they came to a real emergency:

  • Notable Quote:

    “You understand that if you would have died, I would have been complicit. They would have accused me of murdering you.” — Jordan, [02:52]

2. Postpartum Anxiety, Old Influencer Wounds, and Content Creation

• Triggered by Clothing Hauls: Dani discusses how doing clothing try-ons for Instagram still brings up anxiety and memories from 2018–2019’s high-pressure influencer era ([06:07–07:47]).

  • Notable Quote:

    “When it comes to creating content, like outfit content, it takes me back to like 2019, 2018 era. With, like, the hair extensions and, like, the really intense edits and just being perfect all the time, and it just... It's like a little triggering.” — Dani, [07:09]

• Anxiety Shift: Dani opens up about ongoing postpartum anxiety, and how distractions and comedy podcasts help her mood ([07:51–08:17]).

3. Pop Culture & Perceptions of Internet ‘Villains’

• Jake Paul’s Evolution: They talk about their changing views on Jake Paul, the “Team 10” era, and how Hollywood culture chews people up ([08:11–10:16]).

  • Notable Quotes:

    “Most people are not bad people. They just get caught up and insecure and get caught up into, like, a system or they caught up into, like, a dream, and then they sacrifice so much for that. But that's not really who they are.” — Dani, [09:07]
    “If I could give anybody, like, any advice, like, don't move out to Hollywood. And like, don't surround yourself with people like that.” — Recounting Jake Paul's advice, Dani, [09:27]

• Podcast Dream: Jordan shares his concept for a podcast that “de-influences” internet villains, inviting C-list “hated” personalities to share their stories ([10:16–12:22]).

4. Tech, AI, and Generational Shifts in Education

• AI in Daily Life: Detailed breakdown about how AI tools like ChatGPT, Claude, and Grok are changing the way adults and kids learn and interact with information ([19:11–24:31]).

  • Notable Quotes:

    “The most important thing in an AI future is curiosity and agency... How do we foster two things in our kids, curiosity and agency, and locking them up in a fluorescent light building for, you know, eight hours a day... It's just hard for me.” — Jordan, [30:20]

• School Technology Debate: Dani and Jordan debate whether young kids benefit from getting laptops in kindergarten, weighing traditional skills versus tech literacy ([24:31–32:21]).

  • Notable Moment: Dani asks point blank:

    “So do you want your kindergartner working off of a computer, yes or no?”
    Jordan: “No.” — [31:53–32:01]

5. Parenting Styles and the “Star System” Saga

• The Star System Dispute: A candid, sometimes comical, discussion around their attempt to motivate kids with a rewards system. Miscommunication and different philosophies about incentivizing tasks lead to playful but real tension ([39:01–45:57]).

  • Notable Quotes:

    “The reason my kids get out of bed now is to get stars so that they can buy something. Because at the end of the day, it's just another way to bribe your kids.” — Dani, [41:41]
    “No, I get it. And so we talked about it, and I said, what do you want?... It's not set in stone.” — Jordan, [43:02–44:28]
    “Discipline and being united on discipline between the two parents is so important.” — Jordan, [46:27]

• Discipline Challenges: Both acknowledge their need to be on the same page about rewards, discipline, and parenting approaches.

6. Screen Time & Modern Family Life

• Withdrawing TV: Discuss their strict screen time policy and the marked improvement in their kids’ behavior and family dynamics after taking away TV ([52:16–54:13]).
  • Notable Quote:

    “Once you get past, like, the first couple days, if not week of no screens, it's just gone. Like, we don't even think about it.” — Jordan, [53:13]

7. The Realities of “MomTok” and Public Family Dynamics

• Taylor Frankie Paul & The Cost of Public Scrutiny: Reflection on the fallout from the “Secret Life of Mormon Wives” show, with honest talk about public shaming, reality TV, and its toll on marriages and mental health ([54:21–63:07]).

  • Notable Quotes:

    “There’s nothing like a good public lashing, though, to bring you back to Jesus, let me tell you.” — Jordan, [54:38]
    “I think a lot of them, like you say yes to it, thinking, oh, that might happen, but they don't realize it's to going, going to happen. And then when it happens, they're not prepared for it...” — Dani, [59:57]

• Support, Sacrifice & The 'Instagram Husband': The challenge for partners of influencer moms, digging into what constitutes support versus enablement in these relationships ([63:07–65:23]).

  • Notable Quote:

    “What is the line between enablement and empowerment? That is the biggest thing for, like, Instagram husbands...” — Jordan, [63:58]

• Can Families Survive Reality TV? Debate over whether reality TV marriages can last, with examples from the Kardashians, Busbys, Chip and Jo, and more ([70:55–74:00]).

8. Miscellaneous & Lighthearted Moments

• Birthday Party Stress: Dani shares her anxiety about her son Stratton’s birthday party and the angst over RSVPs ([48:21–49:56]).
• TV Superheroes & Mom Guilt: Conversation about the struggle to secure Iron Man for her son’s party and the dynamics of mom guilt ([50:01–51:22]).
• Random Tangents:
  • Crack vs. cocaine differences ([79:00–80:11]).
  • Chloe Kardashian and Lamar Odom’s marriage saga ([73:59–75:47]).

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Memorable Quotes & Moments by Timestamp

• [03:04] Dani: “Something in my soul told me...I knew that it was a bunch of baloney.”
• [09:07] Dani: “Most people are not bad people...they get caught up into, like, a dream, and then they sacrifice so much for that. But that's not really who they are.”
• [24:31] Jordan: “It's the best at querying that because OpenAI and Claude can't get access to the real time data feed.”
• [30:20] Jordan: “The most important thing in an AI future is curiosity and agency.”
• [39:41] Dani: “The reason my kids get out of bed now is to get stars so that they can buy something.”
• [46:27] Jordan: “Discipline and being united on discipline between the two parents is so important.”
• [53:13] Jordan: “Once you get past, like, the first couple days, if not week of no screens, it's just gone. Like, we don't even think about it.”
• [59:57] Dani: “You say yes to it, thinking, oh, that might happen, but they don't realize...when it happens, they're not prepared for it.”
• [63:58] Jordan: “What is the line between enablement and empowerment? That is the biggest thing for, like, Instagram husbands...”

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The State of "MomTok," Fame & Family

• "Secret Life of Mormon Wives" Fallout:
  The show’s drama acts as a mirror for larger questions about influencer culture, “mom empowerment” narratives, and the cracks that can form in family units when opportunity, fame, and traditional roles collide ([54:21–68:41]).
• Empowerment vs. Sacrifice:
  The hosts wrestle with the message that “you can have it all” as a working mom—questioning its accuracy and highlighting the difference between seasonal hustle and long-term burnout ([68:02–69:55]).
• Reality TV's Double-Edge:
  Dani and Jordan agree that while reality TV can provide relatable storylines, it is rarely built on wholesomeness, often incentivizing drama at the expense of stability ([69:55–71:48]).

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Flow & Tone

The episode feels like dropping in on a married couple unfiltered—by turns light, sarcastic, earnest, and a little messy (especially as they bicker lovingly over parenting decisions, division of labor, and the emotional hangover of influencer culture). They move fluidly from micro family moments to wider societal questions, always circling back to the impact of public life on their children and relationship.

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Timestamps For Key Segments

• 00:25–04:45: Dani’s strep throat and antibiotic saga
• 06:07–07:47: Clothing try-ons and influencer PTSD
• 08:11–10:16: Jake Paul, LA, and internet reputations
• 19:11–24:31: The power (and hazards) of AI for both adults and kids
• 39:01–45:57: The Star System parenting debate
• 52:16–54:13: Removing screens from their kids’ lives
• 54:21–63:07: "Secret Life of Mormon Wives", fame’s toll, marriages under stress
• 70:55–80:11: Can marriages survive reality TV? (Kardashians, Busbys, Lamar & Khloe, etc)

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Summary Table

| Topic | Timestamp | Main takeaway/quote | |----------------------------------|---------------|---------------------------------------------------------------------------| | Medication/Dr/Dani “cheating” system | 00:25–04:45 | “Something in my soul told me...I knew that it was a bunch of baloney.” | | Anxiety & content creation trauma| 06:07–07:47 | Try-ons are deeply triggering—remind Dani of hyper-edited influencer era | | Jake Paul/LA grind | 08:11–10:16 | Most “internet villains” aren’t bad—caught in a system/hype | | Podcast mission | 10:16–12:22 | “I’ve always loved the vision...bring top 100 most hated on to de-influence them” | | AI & learning | 19:11–24:31 | “The most important thing in an AI future is curiosity and agency.” | | Kindergarten laptops debate | 24:31–32:21 | Jordan: “No” on kindergarteners using laptops | | Star system/parenting | 39:01–45:57 | Rewards, discipline, communication—needing unified approach | | No TV in household | 52:16–54:13 | “Once you get past the first week of no screens...it's just gone.” | | "MomTok" and reality TV toll | 54:21–63:07 | Fame, empowerment, marital strain, what public scrutiny costs |

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For New Listeners

This episode is a perfect snapshot of Dani and Jordan’s dynamic: real, occasionally raw conversations packed with pop culture, child-rearing quandaries, and under-the-hood insights into influencer family life. Their willingness to critique themselves and the systems they’re part of makes the “de-influenced” mission both lived and examined. The back half’s “MomTok” segment is a must for anyone following influencer family dramas—giving rare context to what audiences usually only glimpse through heavily-filtered posts and stories.

Transcript

[Dani]

Foreign. The following podcast is a Dear Media production hello and welcome back to your favorite podcast, de Influence. Happy belated Easter. Happy is risen.

[Danny]

It's very true. So, so true. The reason for the season.

[Dani]

The reason for the season. Um, how was your Easter?

[Danny]

Our Easter was actually. It was great.

[Dani]

Oh, okay.

[Danny]

Yeah, well, it rained. Second year in a row it's rained over Easter.

[Dani]

And I had strep throat and you had strep throat.

[Danny]

It's pretty bad.

[Dani]

I still have it, but I'm not contagious cuz I've been on amoxicillin for 24 hours. Actually, do you want to know something that's really interesting about this whole strep throat thing? Yeah, I. What do you, what do they call it? Like, I, I blinked. The system. What do you call it? Like you.

[Danny]

You beat the system.

[Dani]

Yeah, I beat the system. I was going to say I went around the system. Yeah, I beat the system because two years ago I had mastitis and my OB prescribed me amoxicillin and Because I guess that's like one of the. I think, I think it was a amoxicillin or penicillin, I can't remember. Anyway, I took it and I got, it kind of helped, but then I got mastitis again. So then I took another round of antibiotics and I broke out in a rash all over. Do you remember we were taking newborn photos and I was so itchy down there? Yeah, it was horrible. I had a rash all over my body. And so my OB wrote on my, my charts, allergic to penicillin, amoxicillin, and some other things. Well, do you know how many like, illnesses amoxicillin helps? I've learned over the past two years there's a lot of times I need amoxicillin.

[Danny]

Is it.

[Dani]

Or penicillin. And I can't take it because I'm, I'm quote, unquote allergic. But I always told my doctor, I was like, I've never been allergic to amoxicillin. Like, I would like to take that antibiotic whenever I get, you know, some type of whatever. And she was always like, no, we can't because you're pregnant, it's too risky. So I have, no, I haven't taken amoxicillin in forever. Well, I get this strep throat and I beat the system because I went to a different doctor that wasn't associated with the, you know, Baylor, Scott and White. And I was like, listen, can you write me some amoxicillin? I got some strep throat over here. She was like, absolutely.

[Danny]

And so are there any dangerous side effects to you taking amoxicillin if you are actually allergic?

[Dani]

I had die. I literally. It would. My throat would close up and I would probably would have died. But I was like, it's fine.

[Danny]

So on Friday, you just. You rolled the dice full sin. I actually didn't know that.

[Dani]

Yeah, I know. I wasn't going to tell anybody.

[Danny]

You understand that if you would have died, I would have been complicit. They would have accused me of murdering you. Because I picked it up.

[Dani]

No, because I knew I wasn't allergic to it.

[Danny]

I would have been in a.

[Dani]

Something in my soul told me. I was like, I just know. I'm not. I knew that it was a bunch of baloney.

[Danny]

I had no idea that the. The. The wages of this sin were death.

[Dani]

Right. And anytime I go to any doctor associated with Baylor's Cotton White, they will not write me a freaking amoxicillin. And I'm like, guys, I'm not allergic to it. Like, I'm not. I know I'm not. I got a rash after taking. You know, taking it for 14 days. I think you would get a rash for taking anything 14 days straight, you know?

[Danny]

Yeah. And you. You also had to take it a lot because you were sick more frequently those years, too.

[Dani]

Amoxicillin.

[Danny]

Yeah. You took a lot of moxicillin.

[Dani]

No.

[Danny]

You didn't?

[Dani]

Not usually, no. Oh, but I've taken it before. My entire life. I've never been allergic to it. Yeah.

[Danny]

So is it on, like, the same spectrum as, like, ivermectin? It kind of like, just clears up anything. Penicillin.

[Dani]

Whoa.

[Danny]

No, I don't think. No, no, I think we're okay with ivermectin now.

[Dani]

So Ivermectin just fixes everything?

[Danny]

Yeah. Like, it's like.

[Dani]

Okay.

[Danny]

Isn't that what we were debating back then? It's like a very universally known.

[Dani]

Okay, yeah. No amoxicillin.

[Danny]

I mean, that guy at the lake was telling us to put ivermectin on our baby's skin for eczema.

[Dani]

Yeah, the horse paste.

[Danny]

Yeah. I mean, let's not call it. Yes, I know it was. It was deemed horse pace, but, like.

[Dani]

No, he literally said, go to tractor supply and pick up.

[Danny]

No, I understand he did say that, but we need to. We'll do a whole episode on Ivermectin, but I think that. I think it's safe.

[Dani]

Non controversial episode on Ivermectin.

[Danny]

Yes, but I would say the. If since you didn't die from taking, by the way.

[Dani]

I figured there would be some type of reaction or something where you could get me to the hospital in time. I didn't think I was gonna like instantly die.

[Danny]

Let me tell you something. The town around this lake community, it. There might be a hospital, but I, I don't think so. I mean, I had to drive 40 minutes just to get to the, the Walgreens.

[Dani]

I. Yeah, I understand, but I honestly felt like I was on my deathbed, y'. All. This strep throat. I had 100 fever for like 48 hours straight. Like, could not knock the fever, even though I would take like four for Advil. And like, because the aches, the aches were so bad that they were like my toes were aching. Like, that's how bad it was. The chills at night, I was like, wake up. Like, and then I had night sweats from the hormones. I was like, I was like, I. I gotta take this amoxicillin or I don't know what's gonna happen.

[Danny]

Yeah. A plus side, I don't know if this is the amoxicillin. You seem less anxious, which is what we were really addressing the week prior to the strap. Yeah, I mean, right? You're less anxious.

[Dani]

I have a little level layer of anxiety right now, but I think it's mainly cuz my mom just made me do a try on haul with her in these clothes and the clothes were fine. Don't get me wrong.

[Danny]

Are those the clothes?

[Dani]

Yeah, this is. This is cute. She let me keep this. This is what. This was my payment. These pajamas. I got these free pajamas for my mom. No. And the clothes were cute and everything, but you know how I am about like clothing try on hauls. I don't know, it's just like a little, little triggering, like a little ptsd, you know. And so because I don't really do a lot of, like, if you look at my Instagram, I don't do clothes. There's a reason for that. Yeah, I'll do clothes. Like sometimes if it's like a brand that I really love or if I'm doing like a fun try and haul for like an event or, you know, but I'm just, I'm not like a. You come to my Instagram to like be styled now maybe on my stories I'll do, you know, but that stuff disappears and I keep it like super real over there. But for some reason I. When it comes to creating content, like outfit content, it takes me back to like 2019, 2018 era. With, like, the hair extensions and, like, the really intense edits and just being perfect all the time, and it just. It's like a little triggering.

[Danny]

That ain't. That ain't us.

[Dani]

I just like you. Yeah. And I. It's hard for me to get past that. Like, so when I think Trend hall, like, I go. I go back seven years and I'm like. Like big, like, red flashing lights.

[Danny]

Yeah. Nervous system.

[Dani]

Yeah. Like, just so, like, I knew this Shine hall was coming up on Monday, and it's not even for my Instagram, mind you. Like, this isn't even for me. It's for her Instagram. But, like, I have kind of not been dreading it, but, like, been kind of anxious about it and, you know, then I start doing it. It's fine. Yeah, it's fun. It's a great time.

[Danny]

So your. Your anxiety is good?

[Dani]

Well, yeah, I just came from filming that to this, but I'm okay.

[Danny]

Yeah. I was just gonna say it was a hard week last week with the postpartum anxiety, but I don't. I don't really feel that right now.

[Dani]

Yeah, I've been listening to a lot of the Yvonne. That always helps me. Jake, Paul is on Interesting, Interesting. He wants to run for president, but I just don't think he's smart enough, man.

[Danny]

Yeah. What is he?

[Dani]

That would be, like, me trying to run for president.

[Danny]

Yeah.

[Dani]

It's like, yeah, he's savvy. He's a hard worker, I'll give him that. But I think it's sweet. I feel like over the years he has evolved and we have seen, like, a different side of him.

[Danny]

Right.

[Dani]

Because honestly, I just used to think. And I don't. Sorry, Jake. Like, no offense. You're listening to this. You're a huge fan. I just used to think he's a bad person.

[Danny]

I don't think he's a bad person.

[Dani]

No, I don't think that. But, like, you know, when he started Team 10 and all that, like, I just thought he was a really yucky person. But, you know, most people are not bad people.

[Danny]

I've noticed that about the bad people that we're supposed to think are bad people.

[Dani]

Yeah, they're not bad people. They just.

[Danny]

Maybe they have, like, one sort of, like, false belief, you know, that's like.

[Dani]

It's not even that. It's like they just get caught up and insecure and get caught up into, like, a system or they caught up into, like, a dream, and then they sacrifice so much for that. But that's not really who they are. Like, you know, like, he did the whole. He talks about. He's like, I went to LA and it, like, destroyed me.

[Danny]

Yeah.

[Dani]

And he was like, don't move out. And he was like, if I could give anybody, like, any advice, like, don't move out to Hollywood. And like, don't surround yourself with people like that.

[Danny]

Really.

[Dani]

That's why he moved to Puerto Rico and just like, kind of keeps himself.

[Danny]

Now, what. What specifically about Hollywood does he say destroyed him? Just the culture of it.

[Dani]

The culture of it. And everybody, everyone trying to, like, use each other to, like, just succeed and grow off of each other. And it's just. It's a lot. It's like he wouldn't be where he was without it. And trust me, like, I get it. I did the LA grind too. And maybe not to that extent, but honestly, it was kind of the same thing. I did it. Actually, before you did it, we had our own team, 10 houses on YouTube before TikTok even came around. And we were all collaborating and, you know, quote unquote, using each other. And it. It was freaking exhausting.

[Danny]

It was a lot, you know, in the. The same spirit of. Most people are not bad people. I know that this podcast is kind of. Well, it started de influence to de influence you or us or our family at the time, because we didn't feel like we had a long form, you know, platform. I've always loved the vision of the podcast, of we should go and be like, who are the most top hundred hated people on the Internet? And we bring them onto the podcast to de influence them. That's what I've always loved about the idea of the podcast. We've never really gotten there, but why

[Dani]

don't you do that?

[Danny]

I have, but you never come to those episodes. And then what happens is when you're not on the episodes, they. They don't get the same amount of listens. And so it's just like a whole different concept. But I thought it was like, you know, similar to, you know, call her daddy. Taking that sort of Oprah turn that she took. She went from, like, talking about her sexy time to Oprah. I thought that would be a fun idea for. For us, for the podcast.

[Dani]

Yeah. So.

[Danny]

But I don't think I just bring

[Dani]

on, like, Trump, Tucker Carlson, Nick Fuentes.

[Danny]

Yes.

[Dani]

And then like, yeah, we just, like, talk.

[Danny]

Well, those are, I think, yeah, those are like, like a list hate hated people. I was thinking, like the B list hated people.

[Dani]

So. Candace. Owen.

[Danny]

No, no, no, that's still. That's still, that's okay. So maybe the C list hated people.

[Dani]

But so. But then, like, isn't it kind of offensive if we're like, hey, we. We interview people that people hate. You want to come on our podcast?

[Danny]

No, no, no. When. Who was it that. That never ended up coming on that I wish she would have at the time is Cecily Bachman, remember?

[Dani]

Oh, so just like, scandals.

[Danny]

Yeah, like the other side of what the. Because the Internet is so good at, like, jumping to conclusions and labeling something. This is what it is without any nuance. And so I really liked the idea

[Dani]

of being able to, like, open like that too. I was just like, pregnant or having babies.

[Danny]

No, for sure. Well, if we want to, you know, if we want to go in that direction, we can.

[Dani]

We totally can.

[Danny]

Because the. The other reason I'm bringing that up is we might be running out of things to talk about, you and I.

[Dani]

Not really.

[Danny]

No. Okay. Yeah, I didn't think so either. I was just making sure you didn't think that.

[Dani]

Okay.

[Danny]

Yeah. Okay.

[Dani]

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[Danny]

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[Dani]

Well, first of all, you have so many things that you're reading about and talking about with me all the time.

[Danny]

I know, but it's. It's not the audience. And I love them. I love them out there, but they don't care.

[Dani]

They always care what you have to say.

[Danny]

They don't care about the Roman Empire. I've tried.

[Dani]

Tell me what you've been reading about on Twitter. You always have something new to say about Twitter. You're always like, on Twitter, they said this. What I want to know is, like, who in my audience reads Twitter?

[Danny]

That'd be a good question.

[Dani]

Like, it's. I would have to predict it's mainly male.

[Danny]

I think it's mostly men.

[Dani]

And why is that? So I tried so on Joe Rogan the other day. He was interviewing Bob Lazar. Or was it the Obon? Probably Theoban. I think I was listening to Joe and. Because he was interviewing the Yvonne, but they were. He was talking about, like, basically, if you're not on Twitter, you're not getting any, like, real news. That's what he was saying.

[Danny]

Oh, he said that?

[Dani]

Yeah.

[Danny]

That is 100 accurate.

[Dani]

And he was like. And then.

[Danny]

Or if you're not listening to specific podcast, I would say.

[Dani]

Right. And so then I was like, okay, I'm gonna challenge myself to get on X, because I do get on threads sometimes, but my threads are just funny jokes, you know, like funny memes.

[Danny]

That's why I think females are not on Twitter is because I don't really think it's a platform for. It doesn't curate well. What I think you guys are, like, really interested in, and this is not a stereotype, but, like, I feel like you. Your audience is interested in, like, Secret Lives of Mormon Wives and, like, the new TV shows that are coming up. More, like, pop culture stuff. And I don't think that Twitter's that great for pop culture unless it's pop culture relating to, like, politics or technology or.

[Dani]

Let's see. I think I find that other stuff interesting.

[Danny]

You do, I know you do.

[Dani]

Yeah. I know my audiences, too, because I talk about it with them.

[Danny]

Yeah, I know. I think you do. For sure.

[Dani]

Yeah, I think. I think.

[Danny]

So how did your Twitter test run go?

[Dani]

It's just hard to, like, curate your algorithm.

[Danny]

It'll. It'll happen really fast.

[Dani]

Yeah.

[Danny]

But I just got to give it a couple days.

[Dani]

Yeah, it. It did know that I was, like, struggling with baby reflux, so I did have, like, a lot of baby stuff on my. On my algorithm.

[Danny]

It's good, though, right?

[Dani]

Yeah, it was helpful.

[Danny]

Just before you. Yeah, it's so good.

[Dani]

Yeah. No, I. I did learn a lot. I learned. I learned, like, so much within, like, six tweets that I was, like, it's a little too much, like, overwhelming sometimes. Yeah, I was like, I feel like what I just learned would have taken me, like, an hour or two to learn in the real world, and, like, I don't really want to learn anything else. Like, yeah, it was a lot.

[Danny]

It's a lot.

[Dani]

But then I also typically have to, like, sometimes it's, like, such outrageous news that I'm like, I have to go fact check it and, like, Google it. And then I'm like, oh, that really did happen.

[Danny]

Well, no, then you can just click the X button for the. For Grok or whatever, and then it will, like, confirm also, you know how, like.

[Dani]

Wait, can I ask you, like, what is grok Like, Sorry.

[Danny]

So, like, you know, it's like Chat gbt and Claude.

[Dani]

Claude is just another AI.

[Danny]

Yeah, but it's, like, way better. Yeah, I don't use Chat GPT anymore.

[Dani]

How do you get caught? I hate when you learn new things and you don't tell me. Like, do you just want me to be dumb?

[Danny]

No, I don't want you to be dumb.

[Dani]

But why don't you ever teach me anything? Well, it's like, I think you do it so that you're smarter than me.

[Danny]

No.

[Dani]

And you can feel bigger. No.

[Danny]

No. Let me tell you something, Chad. GPT is really good for you because I've looked at your search history.

[Dani]

You little.

[Danny]

Not. Not extensively. Just, like, you know, we've shared it with each other on the podcast.

[Dani]

You stuck into my phone and looked at it?

[Danny]

No, I. No, I was looking at something myself, and I saw it. Just read the top five.

[Dani]

What was my. What were my searches?

[Danny]

It's usually like, how big is my baby right now? Like, you know,

[Dani]

I'll read them to you.

[Danny]

You know, can I take two Tylenol with Amoxicillin?

[Dani]

Davy Crockett Origins percentage Calcul calculation request, Dayquil Breastfeeding safety.

[Danny]

Okay. Right.

[Dani]

Lemon water benefits is what I'm saying.

[Danny]

It's a lot of fl.

[Dani]

ADD versus adhd. Why toddlers hit you. I'm telling you, it's like Spencer Pratt running for office.

[Danny]

Yeah.

[Dani]

It's so Good for exorcism practices. Why are how hepatitis B spreads. It's so good for you kids bath for shower. Botox while breastfeeding.

[Danny]

If there was ever healing nipple blisters. Yes. So I think ChatGPT is so good for you for that reason. Do you want to know the difference between them all? I can tell you if you, if you find it interesting. So Chat GPT is really good for like, consumer, like moms and consumers who like, just want to ask questions that search the Internet a lot or just want to like, know it quicker.

[Dani]

Okay.

[Danny]

It also has the best, in my opinion, it has the best, like, chat feature where you like click the black button with the bars and you can like actually talk to it. So like, when I'm trying to learn something, or if I'm like reading a newspaper, which I don't read, but, but like, let's say I'm reading a magazine, what I'll usually do is I'll put my, my headphones in and then I will trigger the chat feature and it will sit there silently. But then I'll be like, hey, this article just brought up this war that happened in 1960. Can you tell me about it? And it. And it's the best for that.

[Dani]

Mm.

[Danny]

But Claude is more like enterprise, which is why I haven't told you about it. It's really good for like, like Divvy's whole company is on Claude. And so the reason it's good is because they have all these extensions that allow for you to like, use the AI in Excel or in PowerPoint. Like, we don't make PowerPoints anymore at Divi. We just have Claude make the PowerPoints.

[Dani]

Yeah.

[Danny]

And so it doesn't, it doesn't really do you any good from like a consumer personal standpoint.

[Dani]

Yeah. But it's not about that. It's about just keeping me up to date with like, what's going on.

[Danny]

Well, that's what I'm doing right now. So then GROK is really good at like, anytime I need real time information on anything. So like, hey, did this really happy happen with Taylor, Frankie, Paul? I will ask Grok because it's the only AI that has the real time data feed from Twitter. So if Twitter is like crowdsourced, you know, from all these people, it's the best at querying that because OpenAI and Claude can't get access to the real time data feed. So like, if there was like a, like, you remember when the government of Iran or something like shut down and did a blackout and like, no One can know what was going on. Yeah, there were a couple people with VPNs that were able to, like, still sneak around it. And so I would have queried Grok to be like, hey, what's really going on right now beyond the propaganda? So that's why, you know how, like, Instagram rolled out those community notes?

[Dani]

Yeah.

[Danny]

And it's a disaster.

[Dani]

Yeah, they need to go by.

[Danny]

It's a disaster because the community notes, they rolled out. Now what people are doing is like, all these Redditors are just hijacking these bloggers community notes and being like, this person has an eating disorder or whatever. So it's not actually factual. It's, it's. It's hijacked. But the community notes feature on Twitter is super, super reliable. And I don't know how the algorithm works or, like, how they do it, but anytime you go to, like, a tweet and you don't know it's true, you can most, most of the time now, like, open the tweet and then scroll down. And the first comment is typically like, hey, Grok, is this true? And then it will curate, like, what is factually accurate and what is not, not based on, like, propaganda, but, like, based on actual data. So it. That's. Grok's really good for that.

[Dani]

So this, this whole conversation has kind of sparked, like, okay, I was learning that if we were to stay in, like, the school district that we live in now, kindergarteners get laptops to work off of.

[Danny]

Okay.

[Dani]

A lot of private schools that we have visited or toured, a lot of them have gotten rid of technology, like, up until, like, sixth grade or fourth grade or something. So they're actually just learning on, like, with pencils, pen and paper. But, like, I. When I go back and forth, first of all, like, my. My first inclination is to be like, I don't want my kids on the computer. I don't. But now, like, learning all of this, that, like, we don't make PowerPoints anymore. AI does it for us. We don't do this, we don't do this. We don't make spreadsheets. It's just like, there's a part of me that's like, oh, I need to get my kid on a computer so they learn how to, like, do all of this, you know, so that, you know. And so then there's like another side of it where I'm like, no, I don't want them on the computer. I just want them to, like, learn, like, just have that traditional education. And I don't Know, it kind of freaks me out a little bit.

[Danny]

You want me to tell you where I think it's going?

[Dani]

Yeah. Or what, what would you want for you or what do you want for your.

[Danny]

Well, so like, you know how we had to learn math because it was like, you're not going to always have a calculator in your pocket.

[Dani]

Yeah, that's what the teachers would always say. You're not always going to have a calculator.

[Danny]

So now the challenge for me is it's hard and I know you're not here with me yet, so like we can take our time with it, but it's hard for me not to see school as like a glorified daycare at this point because, sorry, let me say this. 0 through 6 education I think is really important because it teaches you the fundamentals of how to learn and the basic foundation of reading, writing, spelling, math, et cetera. So I think that zero through six is really important. I think once you get seventh beyond, you're learning things that are pretty like memorization based, you know. So like you're taking tests that are about like this war. I don't understand what the point of that is. Like, I think it's so much more important for people to know how to like query the tools that are going to give us the information versus like memorizing the information and then trying to, you know, just take a test to get good grades. Like I, I just don't see how the model is going to play out in the next like three or four years. Whereas like Alpha school is saying, okay, here's these like AI interfaces. Like we are going to teach you to interface with it and get and, and be curious and like create businesses and generate new ideas.

[Dani]

Here's my thing though, and I'm postpartum, so it's really hard for me to like put together my thoughts. But here's the thing, like learning about those wars, to me it's not just about memorizing information and getting it right on the test. It's also like understanding like why did this war happen and what went wrong? And then understanding like what should have been different. And if you don't understand history, if you don't understand that war, then how do you know what to ask AI?

[Danny]

No, for sure, but there's only of all. So we, we probably toured, call it five to 10 private schools. Okay, I can think of one private school, maybe two that had that type of environment for education. They had like literal round tables where they would discuss topics like, you know, here's. Let's talk about this time within the Roman Empire. It was, I'm not going to say the names of the schools, but only two of them had that type of discussion. Public school, there's no way, like, there's no way that public school is going to do that because you would have to completely uproot and change the dynamic of the system. Right. So private schools might catch up and be like, okay, in an AI first world, you know, we need to teach our students to be more critical, think thinking. We need to help them like understand information and have really good media literacy so that they can determine what is truth and what is not. And I think Alpha school probably does it really well. Yeah, but it's hard for me because.

[Dani]

But I do feel like in high school you still are learning like fundamentals, like the foundations of chemistry so that when you go to med school you understand what an atom is or what a chemical is.

[Danny]

Yeah, but like that could be taught genuinely. Like ChatGPT doesn't do this, but like Claude does this where they, they launched this feature called Diagrams and it's like, hey, I don't understand what an atom is. Can you visualize for this for me? And it's the craziest. Like it's so it just will teach it to you. And like there's one. Google has this thing called Notebook LM and they just launched this feature where you can say like, like I could go and Stella could be like, why do.

[Dani]

Why is the sky blue?

[Danny]

Why is the sky blue? And I could type that in and it would generate a PowerPoint at her education level. Yeah, and if I wanted, if, you

[Dani]

know, now we're talking about two different things. Now you're talking about learning off of AI.

[Danny]

Yeah, but that's what I'm saying is like, so, so but if you don't

[Dani]

have, like learn the basics of like, what is just an example, what it. Like that there is a sky. You don't know to ask that question. That's like a little stupid example. But do you know what I mean? It would get more complicated over time.

[Danny]

Yes, I think that like the most important thing in an AI future is curiosity and agency. So like, for me, the number one thing of, like, how do we foster two things in our kids, Curiosity and agency and locking them up in a fluorescent light building for, you know, eight hours a day where our boys, our three boys are going to be super bored. It's just hard for me. It's hard for me in like the way that things are Progressing so fast.

[Dani]

Yeah, I mean, I don't disagree with that.

[Danny]

And there's. There's kind of a. Like when we talk about Nashville, there's like a pipeline of like, Nashville families that I think is really funny. It's like people move to Nashville. I'm not saying we're moving to Nashville, but like people move to Nashville, they get into the private school scene there, and then they ultimately end up going to this like hybrid homeschool. Like, what do they call them?

[Dani]

Co op.

[Danny]

Co op things. Because they start to realize, like, man, it's more important for my child to have a. To develop curiosity in their childhood, to ask questions and find what they're interested in. Because the super intelligence is going to help them get to where they want to go. But you have to like both teach them curiosity to ask the right questions, or to be curious about what they can do differently in the world, and then agency to believe that they can query the tools to figure out how to get to anywhere they want to go.

[Dani]

So do you want your kindergartner working off of a computer, yes or no?

[Danny]

No.

[Dani]

Okay, fair enough.

[Danny]

No, I think that zero. Their brains are not developed zero through six. Like, it's like you. No, no, it's not. You gotta delay it. Cuz it's like you with Twitter. It's like you. You read six tweets and you're like overwhelmed.

[Dani]

I'm like, my brain's gonna.

[Danny]

You can't give that type of like super intelligence. Like, you gotta get the foundation right first.

[Dani]

Yeah.

[Danny]

But I think that ultimately we're doing the right thing with the school that we chose.

[Dani]

Yeah. Oh, we chose the school.

[Danny]

Did we not? Did we not?

[Dani]

I don't know.

[Danny]

Are you saying that because we haven't announced it or are you saying because you're second guessing?

[Dani]

I don't know. I'm just. This is how Summit talks. He's like.

[Danny]

So you're not mad at me now for not telling you about Claude? It just didn't seem like you.

[Dani]

No, but I just feel like you gatekeep like a lot of information from me. You know that things that would make me cooler?

[Danny]

No. When we went to burgers, does it

[Dani]

make you feel big? Is that what it is? No.

[Danny]

No.

[Dani]

Does it make you feel like big, strong, tough guy?

[Danny]

No. When we went to burgers, I was telling you all about Romulus and Remus. Remember?

[Dani]

Two weeks ago?

[Danny]

Yeah.

[Dani]

I need like four bits of information a day.

[Danny]

Okay.

[Dani]

I want to know everything.

[Danny]

Okay. I'll. I'll tell you everything.

[Dani]

Except about the Roman Empire. I don't want to know about Romulus and Romus Remus.

[Danny]

This is what I'm talking about though.

[Dani]

No, I want to know about like up to date things. What else do you learn on your Twitter feed? That's what we all want to know. That's why we tune in. Teach us.

[Danny]

Okay, I'll teach you.

[Dani]

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[Danny]

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[Dani]

Oh gosh, I don't know.

[Danny]

I'm just meeting what's on your mind.

[Dani]

I'm just like how to like get my nipples to feel normal again. Honestly, like they hurt so bad. It's horrible. That's really what's on my mind.

[Danny]

I know. I believe you.

[Dani]

They're Like, Bruce, he has such a shallow latch. So I'm just really. I've been really concerned about that. Yeah, that's about it, really. Yeah. And then this just stubborn belly weight. That too. So that's been on my mind a lot.

[Danny]

I got this. This game for our kids. Not sponsored. It's called we're not really Strangers.

[Dani]

Okay. Just, like, side note, like, it kind of sounds like a creepy game. It's like, we're not really strangers.

[Danny]

It's. It's a. It's for little and big kids. And it's like questions that you can ask them that are, like, simple, you know?

[Dani]

This is like the kind of stuff that Jordan buys on Amazon. We use it once and we'll never see it again.

[Danny]

This one got me on tick tock.

[Dani]

No, like, he. This is like his favorite thing.

[Danny]

This one really got me on.

[Dani]

He could have just chat gbt questions to ask my 3 year old, but instead we bought.

[Danny]

Oh. And it breaks it up by age, which I thought was really fun.

[Dani]

Wait, can I just say something?

[Danny]

Yeah.

[Dani]

I'm kind of annoyed at this because, like, you know, like, my thing that I made up with the kids when we travel, when we go to dinner is we always play questions.

[Danny]

I know. I got it for you.

[Dani]

And I made that game up.

[Danny]

Yeah, I know. This is just. This was helpful.

[Dani]

Okay. Well, I feel like I'm being replaced. And these are the. And the questions that you were asking. Like, he opened up this game. He was like, oh, babe, these questions are so good. I was like, these are literally the questions that I asked the kids that I just come up with in my head. And he's like, oh, my God, it's so cute. We're gonna ask him this question. I'm like, I asked him that all the time.

[Danny]

I feel like no matter what I do, you feel like I'm attacking you. She. We got into. Well, it was more hormonal, I feel like. But the star system.

[Dani]

Oh, yeah, tell him. Tell them what you did.

[Danny]

Well, so I.

[Dani]

No, tell him.

[Danny]

Yeah, no, I'm going to.

[Dani]

No tell him right now.

[Danny]

So we got the skylight calendar. Didn't I talk about this on the podcast? Yeah, so we got the skylight calendar,

[Dani]

but you didn't talk about what you did behind my back.

[Danny]

So I wanted. So we have four kids now. And so I was like, hey, I really need the big kids to step up. And so I created routines, like a morning, afternoon, and nighttime routine. One was like, in the morning, you make your bed, you get dressed by yourself for Stratton. That just means he puts his shoes on by himself. And then you brush your teeth, and then you help clean up before you go to school.

[Dani]

And then you get stars.

[Danny]

And then you get stars. And.

[Dani]

And then if you get enough stars,

[Danny]

and then if you get enough stars, you get to save up for something.

[Dani]

So save up for something. And then you get to buy it.

[Danny]

You get to buy it. You get to convert your stars. You lose your stars when you buy it, and then you get to buy it. Two birds with one stone. One is it creates high agency children. Two agency. Two is it gets them to stop asking us every time we go somewhere to buy something. So now they're like, oh, man, I would have to save up for that. I think decent system. And. Danny, no.

[Dani]

And so then he implements it without telling me. Okay, so when you create a star system, just, you know, everything becomes about stars. Everything. The reason my kids get out of bed now is to get stars so that they can buy something. Because at the end of the day, it's just another way to bribe your kids. It's just another system to bribery. Right. So every week, they put. They set their goals, and they basically want a new toy. They're getting new toys now than they were before.

[Danny]

Well, I'm. I'm actually.

[Dani]

Every week, they get a new toy.

[Danny]

I know I need to play with the stars. I. I don't know how stars convert to dollars. I'm. I'm still perfecting that.

[Dani]

Yeah, no, it's fine.

[Danny]

I need to make things much more expensive.

[Dani]

Right, right. So. But basically, every week, they look at Amazon and they just tell Jordan, like, I want a K pop demon hunter purse. Whatever. So then he looks on Amazon. So they're obsessed with getting stars so they can get this purse. So the entire day is centered around, daddy, I get this star. And then Jordan will, like, use the star system to also discipline them or to reward them. And. And where am I? I'm just over here, like, what's going on? I'm just chopped liver. Like. And I'm like, I can't discipline them now. Because then I'm like, hey, guys, get in bed, or you're. Or I'm gonna take away a star. And they're like, that's not your job. Daddy does the stars. And I'm like, okay, so I have no say anymore. I have no power, no control. I can't discipline, I can't reward. I'm just completely left out of the system. I had nothing to do with anything. And then, like, I try to butt in. They're like, no, Danny's the one that can give us stars. Danny's the one that set up the routine. Daddy's the one that. That we. And like, they just want to impress daddy all the time.

[Danny]

I get it.

[Dani]

It's like we're supposed to be parenting together.

[Danny]

No, I get it. I get it. And so we talked about it, and I said, what do you want?

[Dani]

I said, and here's another thing.

[Danny]

Do you want stars to be gone?

[Dani]

Here's another thing. I personally just saying, if I would have set up the star system, you

[Danny]

said, I would have done it totally different.

[Dani]

I would have done it totally different. I wouldn't reward my kids for things that I expect them to do, like brush their teeth. You're rewarded by brushing your teeth, by not getting cavities. What I would done is if you say thank you to your. Your friend's mom whenever you leave their house, then you get a star. Yeah, but I don't reward my. I would never record my kids for putting on their shoes. Like, dude, put on your shoes, or you're gonna get, like, glass in your foot. Like, I. I'm not going to reward you for doing something that you need to do. That's just me.

[Danny]

I. I'm just saying we tried. Never would have happened.

[Dani]

Okay?

[Danny]

Stratton, he does not want to put on his shoes, okay? Now he's putting them on every day. It still takes him some time, but he. He does it.

[Dani]

Well, maybe for Stratton, I would have done that. But for Stella, I would never give her a star for putting on her clothes. Like, she's five.

[Danny]

That's fair. I mean, this is. But this is what I told you.

[Dani]

But this is why. I'm saying, this is why we're. We're partners in things. Because we would have. If you would have come to me, then we would have been like. We could have done it together and made it the perfect system.

[Danny]

What did I say to you? I said, hey, listen.

[Dani]

You said, I'm sorry. I said, for going on your back and creating a star system.

[Danny]

Well, I said, it's open to the. It's not set in stone.

[Dani]

No, but you know how. You know how hard it is to, like, take that away from the kids? It's like.

[Danny]

No, it's easy.

[Dani]

It's like when I took away TV from the kids, it's. It wasn't easy because they were already used to getting it. And then when you take it away, it's hard. Hard.

[Danny]

Well, I know all we need to do is we need to sit down and we need to say, hey, listen, guys, we're creating a new star system, and you don't get stars for putting on your shoes or getting dressed. Now, if you want stars, you have to do xyz, but you also need to do the things that you were doing before that'd be so good. Like, if you told them that, they'd be like, oh, my gosh, no.

[Dani]

They'd be like, well, you don't do the stars. D Stars.

[Danny]

They don't say that anymore because I, I've heard you now you've adopted it, the star system, haven't you?

[Dani]

I just pull it out sometimes when I really need it.

[Danny]

And does it work? Sometimes it works. I mean, but now you have to deal with the, like, I mean, when, when you take away a star from these kids, it's like it's War three. I mean, they really cherish these stars.

[Dani]

Yeah. Honestly, I think they'd rather get a spanking.

[Danny]

I think so, to be honest. But the, the thing about the star system that I think we're still perfecting that we never followed up on this. But what I did apologize for is I said, you know what? In rolling out the star system, I don't know. I think I should have given stars for rewards. But I don't know if I agree that I should be using the stars to reprimand. Does that make sense?

[Dani]

To discipline.

[Danny]

To discipline.

[Dani]

So then what would you use to discipline?

[Danny]

Well, I don't know. That's what we need to talk about because, you know, we haven't really realigned. Like, the discipline's hard right now because sometimes I'm like, okay, let me pull the simmer down time card out, which is like timeout, basically. And then we don't really spank. And so. And then there's the stars. So I feel like our discipline is not united because we haven't really talked about what we want it to be.

[Dani]

Yeah.

[Danny]

You know, and so I just started using stars, and I did apologize for that because discipline, we talk about this in our Bible study. Like, discipline and being united on discipline between the two parents is so important. And so I, I, I'm glad you're learning.

[Dani]

Sorry. I'm just trying to be as annoying as I can about the star thing so that you never do it again.

[Danny]

Well, and then I get these cards and, you know, you're triggered by this too. Get like a sweet.

[Dani]

It's because I think I, it's because I still have lived in resentment about the star System. Yeah, I know. I'm like, so now you're asking questions without me?

[Danny]

It's like. That's what I'm saying, though, is like, in your postpartum haze, everything is an attack.

[Dani]

No, no.

[Danny]

A lot of things are an attack.

[Dani]

Oh, my gosh. So sensitive.

[Danny]

It's so funny.

[Dani]

It's so funny. It's so funny. People can hear your eyes.

[Danny]

I know.

[Dani]

No, there. People hate that stuff. Oh, no. Oh, no. Oh, no. I can already feel the people unsubscribing. They're, like, blocking us now. People. What's funny is, like, I had a friend in college that, like, her biggest ick was chewing ice in front of her.

[Danny]

Huh.

[Dani]

I kind of like the sound of it, but some people are, like, very opposed. It, like, really grosses them out. It's okay. It doesn't bother me.

[Danny]

You're so forgiving.

[Dani]

I'm really easy to be married to.

[Danny]

I don't think you're that hard.

[Dani]

Thank you, babe.

[Danny]

What else is on your mind?

[Dani]

Stratton's birthday party. Honestly, I feel really bad. I scheduled his birthday party on a day that there's, like, two other birthday parties in his class, and his kind of overlaps with someone else's. So I sent the invite to, like, 12 of his classmates, and I've only gotten three RSVPs, and I'm like, oh, my gosh. Do I move the party? Do I move it to another day? Do I just let three people come? I'm like, what? What? What do you think I should do?

[Danny]

No, I think we just got to send it.

[Dani]

Really? And then only three people come?

[Danny]

You know, I don't remember anything from when I was three, but maybe you

[Dani]

would remember it if it was traumatic because nobody came to your party.

[Danny]

Yeah, that's a classic mom guilt tactic that your psyche plays the. I think it's gonna be okay.

[Dani]

Really?

[Danny]

Yeah. I really do.

[Dani]

Just three people.

[Danny]

Wait, there's only three?

[Dani]

Well, three from his class, but, yeah, I'm inviting, like, our other. Our friends and their kids.

[Danny]

Yeah, they're. That's fine. It's fine.

[Dani]

Okay.

[Danny]

Yeah. Stress about it.

[Dani]

His best friend from class. His. Her mom texted me and said she couldn't come, and I was like. I was like, please, I'll pay you. How much do you want? I'm like, lifetime of divvy. Like, no. She's like, I'm sorry. She has a dancer title. I'm like, okay, I'll double it. It's hard.

[Danny]

It's hard.

[Dani]

Chad's just such a sweet little Boy, I just don't want him to get his feelings hurt.

[Danny]

No, he's good. He just. If we're there.

[Dani]

Yeah. All he wants. All he wants is his parents.

[Danny]

He really does.

[Dani]

And Stella in Captain America.

[Danny]

It's Captain America. I did hear you say. You did walk up to him and you were like, hey, listen, Iron Man's busy.

[Dani]

I did tell him. I didn't want him to be disappointed.

[Danny]

Iron Man's busy that day. And he was like, oh. He was like, But I got Captain America. He's available. He goes, okay. It's so funny. Was like Iron man booked?

[Dani]

Yeah, he was. Look, no, Captain America was available and he was half the price.

[Danny]

I mean. I mean, it's. That's tough because when Spider man came to his birthday last year, it was like he was meeting the Spider Man.

[Dani]

No, I know, that's what I'm saying. But like, Captain America is going to be pretty great.

[Danny]

It's such a bummer that Iron man was booked.

[Dani]

No, it wasn't booked. I just said he's not available.

[Danny]

Oh, so you couldn't find an Iron Man?

[Dani]

No, I. Okay, let me tell you, there's not a lot of Iron Mans out there. Okay.

[Danny]

It's an expensive suit. Yeah, it's way more expensive than Spider Man.

[Dani]

Yeah. No, Captain America.

[Danny]

Captain America.

[Dani]

Yeah. No, I could not find an Iron Man. I'm just gonna be honest.

[Danny]

Okay.

[Dani]

If. If any. If Iron man is listening to this, please email me. Okay.

[Danny]

No, it's like, it's too hard because.

[Dani]

Yeah. What do you like? What do you do?

[Danny]

It's like a whole suit.

[Dani]

It's like a robot suit.

[Danny]

Yeah.

[Dani]

So true.

[Danny]

I do have. Yeah. The helmet.

[Dani]

Yeah. So maybe you should come be our Iron Man.

[Danny]

Hell no.

[Dani]

Why is Stratton so obsessed with Iron Man? That's so random.

[Danny]

I know. Because we. He wasn't even really, like, when we

[Dani]

never watched Iron Man.

[Danny]

No, I. It's the weirdest thing.

[Dani]

We watch Spider man all the time. Superman.

[Danny]

Yeah. I don't know where he even got exposed to Spider Man. Spider man and Friends, which is the show that he did watch.

[Dani]

Before you cut out, before I took away the tv.

[Danny]

Did have an Iron man character in there.

[Dani]

Yeah. You know what's interesting about once you take away the TV is that when they do see a TV on, it could be like golf and they'll watch it. Like they are just mesmerized, I mean, by the screen because they haven't seen one in so long. So then they see Scottish out there and they're like, this is the most entertainment I've had in months.

[Danny]

No, it rained all day on Saturday, and Stella blew through the entire season of Love on the Spectrum.

[Dani]

I know. That's such a sweet show, man. If you haven't seen.

[Danny]

She blew through the whole thing.

[Dani]

And she was so interested because I just let it play on repeat and like, like, that girl couldn't take her eyes off of it.

[Danny]

Yeah. No, I. It is kind of crazy, though, because this is a really hard thing for most parents. Like, it's crazy. Once you get past, like, the first couple days, if not week of no screens, it's just gone. Like, we don't even think about it.

[Dani]

We don't even think about it.

[Danny]

It's not brought up, it's not talked about.

[Dani]

Isn't the best. Oh, my gosh, the amount that we had to discipline or talk about TV with our kids.

[Danny]

Yeah.

[Dani]

Before you took it away was.

[Danny]

It was crazy. And their behavior was just so bad.

[Dani]

So bad. Because it was so addicting that when you took it away from them like that, the tantrums were, like, horrific.

[Danny]

Yeah.

[Dani]

I mean, they still. They're not perfect or anything, but, like, our night times are, like, so much more calm.

[Danny]

Yeah. And like, it's. But it is funny because we don't. I mean, now we can use it as a card and it really works. Like, if we're having, like a really. Like, we're. It's just chaos, like on a weekend or something. Like, we know that we can put on Aladdin. And, like, they will.

[Dani]

We're like, hey, guys, listen.

[Danny]

They'll be glued and then like, tonight we'll watch Aladdin.

[Dani]

If you guys are really good at the birthday parties or whatever. And like, you always know, you. They. It's. It always works.

[Danny]

Yeah, for sure. So basically, we're the best. We get the award.

[Dani]

We get the award. Have you seen what Taylor Frankie Paul posted on Instagram yesterday?

[Danny]

Yeah. About her faith.

[Dani]

Yeah. That girl's been going through it. But, you know, it's funny because there's

[Danny]

nothing like a good public lashing, though, to bring you back to Jesus, let me tell you.

[Dani]

Yeah. But, you know, like, but here's the thing. That girl's been through a lot. And this is the one that broke her.

[Danny]

Yeah. This one was big, though. Like, you're literally. When you watch the. The. The last season of Secret Life's Mormon Wise, like you. She wanted to blow up her life. She wanted to. Yeah, she was miserable. Like, she didn't want to go to the Bachelorette. Like, all of these girls, I think, are pushing themselves to the absolute brink. And I've seen it firsthand. I've seen the train roll down the tracks before, and I think that she blew up her life. And I think she. Even her. Her mom kind of frustrated me because her mom was like, taylor, you're going to lose this amazing opportunity. And, like, what happens when you're in that position is, like, everyone wants the train to keep going because. And they justify it by, like, it's so good for you, or, this is such a great opportunity. I don't want you to pass it up. But, like, she's unwell. It's not fair.

[Dani]

Yeah.

[Danny]

So she kind of blew up her life. And then she spent 40 days in the desert, just like Jesus. And then Easter happens, and she's alive. She's alive. She has risen. She has risen. And, you know, Jesus died for her sins, just like he died for ours. And I really want to see that season of the Bachelor. I'm going to be honest with you. It was probably bonkers.

[Dani]

Yeah.

[Danny]

It was probably just the. I. I think they're gonna release it. They've got.

[Dani]

They have to.

[Danny]

They've got to release it. Put it on Hulu, put it behind a paywall. You will make all of your money back times five by just making us pay for that. I would. I would do Hulu Premium to watch that. That season.

[Dani]

We all win. Yeah, I agree with you. She blew up her life, and I think she wanted it. I think she wanted. She wanted a reason to, like, not be. Not be involved in all of that.

[Danny]

She wanted it down. And, like, now, are they doing the Secret lies of Mormon Wives anymore?

[Dani]

I don't know. I think that they talked about Jesse having a spin off of her own show, and I don't think that that ended up happening. And from the rumors I've been hearing, they're kind of just, like, slowing down the filming and, like, there might not be, like, another season.

[Danny]

It's hard because this is like team 10.

[Dani]

Like, without Jake Paul.

[Danny]

Without Jake Paul. None of them. Like, some of them are, like, firefighters now.

[Dani]

Yeah. But look at Alex Warren. Wasn't he on T10?

[Danny]

No. He was a different house.

[Dani]

Really? Wow.

[Danny]

No, Alex Warren was like, a different house. But I'm just saying, like, it's. It's hard because this is the funniest thing. Trey Kennedy has that skit about this. Like, will mom talk survive this? But I. I don't know if these girls survive without mom talk or without.

[Dani]

Without Taylor.

[Danny]

Without Taylor. I think Whitney Will have a pretty long career. Her and Connor. I think Macy will fizzle. Jen Affleck will do okay.

[Dani]

No, they need. I'm telling you, like, without Taylor, like, I'm just thinking about the show.

[Danny]

Yeah. Like, that's what. That's what I'm saying. Like, even them. The show, she kind of made it. Yeah, she did, because she was so, like, she's so good for reality tv,

[Dani]

but so bad at the same time.

[Danny]

But that's what reality TV is. It's a way for us to feel better about ourselves.

[Dani]

Yeah.

[Danny]

It's a way for us to look at someone else and. And then be like, oh, I am better than you, whether we admit it or not.

[Dani]

But see, all those other people that you're naming, they're just too normal.

[Danny]

They're too normal. That's what I'm saying is, like, they're too normal. And like, even, like, I don't know if this, like, Jesse Jordan. Is this divorce real or is this all scripted?

[Dani]

No, it's. It's real.

[Danny]

It's real, man. Like, I don't know what he did and I don't know what she did, but it's like, yes, you do.

[Dani]

It was on. We watched the whole season, but they

[Danny]

don't get divorced on the season.

[Dani]

But. Yeah, but it all stems from that. And then what happened was she went on call her daddy and said that whenever they were together and the news hadn't broke that she was having an emotional affair. He had all of this proof on his phone and these text messages.

[Danny]

Yeah.

[Dani]

And was like, every night, like, basically holding it. Holding her. What is it? Holding it? Ransom. And basically, like, threatening her, saying, like, if you don't do. That's like, I'm going to post, you know, the text messages and out the fact that you were cheating on me. So she, like. And so it was just, like, very toxic.

[Danny]

Yeah. It's so bad. I mean, but I feel bad for that whole situation. Makes me really sad. Yeah, it's just. It's just hard for me because we watched the show together, and I feel like we watched it under the lens of. Of, like, knowing when you're on the hot streak, like, what it takes from you. Emotionally, spiritually, physically, mentally.

[Dani]

Well, and. And it's like the opportunities are coming in and they don't, like, Taylor got the Bachelor.

[Danny]

Yeah.

[Dani]

Whitney got to go in Chicago. Jen Affleck's on Dancing with the Stars, and it's like.

[Danny]

And they're all kind of, like, jealous of each other.

[Dani]

But these opportunities, like, you know, deep down that if you don't take it, another one might not come. And that's true. Like people are like, oh, another no. When you're on the up and up, you have to take the opportunity. You have to and like you have to make sacrifices and that's how you get to the next thing and the next thing and the next thing. Like for example, if you don't get on the reality show, you're not going to get the opportunity for Dancing with the Stars. You're not going to get, you know, so it all kind of builds off of each other. But I think a lot of them, like you say yes to it, thinking, oh, that might happen, but they don't realize it's to going, going to happen. And then when it happens, they're not prepared for it. Not only that, they have like three or four small children.

[Danny]

I'm saying is that's what makes me really sad about it.

[Dani]

I, I rode that rave when wave whenever I was like living in LA and I was like 21 years old and it was so bad for my mental health. But like I cannot imagine how hard that is on their marriages. Like especially because they're very new to fam. Like you and I have been doing it since day one. Like creating content, putting our lives out there, riding the wave of opportunities since we started dating. But a lot of them just like he was going to med school and she was a stay at home mom. Like they are still developing the skills and of like how to have a healthy marriage. Like just creating content and working together. Like they're, they've only been doing it for two or three years. You and I have been doing it for like eight or nine years. So even if we would have done the reality show, it would have been really hard. But we still have like skills and like we've learned how to do it better. I feel like I cannot imagine that's why all these divorces are happening. It's too much for them to make.

[Danny]

Like, because when their hot streak. Ha. Like I would say your second hot streak was when we first got married, you know, we didn't have any kids so like all we did was work. We could hop on planes, we could go wherever we wanted, work till 9pm

[Dani]

sleeping if you had to.

[Danny]

You know, like we were able and we were able. I think we worked well together too.

[Dani]

And so we just took care of ourselves. We didn't have to take care of anybody else.

[Danny]

Like what is hard on me about the show is like I know what they're going through, but they're doing it with, like, three or four kids, which it would be the equivalent of us going through what we went through, like, 2018 through 2021 with all of our children. And I'm gonna be totally honest. Like, something would have had to give. Like, it's, it would have been so hard on our marriage and, like, our children. I just don't. I, I.

[Dani]

That's what happened with Bob. We all talked to.

[Danny]

She had kids and then what happened to her?

[Dani]

And they got a divorce.

[Danny]

Yeah.

[Dani]

And then she, like, moved out to LA and, like, was, like, never with her kids.

[Danny]

And it's hard because I, I genuinely think that, like, fast forward five or ten years, the people that make those decisions to, like, give up the foundation, whether it's like, their marriage or their kids, for the fame. The problem is that, like, what Jake Paul said, Hollywood will chew you up and spit you out and not care. Right. And so it'll leave you technically with nothing. You'll have fame and you'll have money and you'll have all these things, but, like, inside you will feel like you have nothing.

[Dani]

Right. But I will say I do think there is a way to do it. Like, there is a way to do it. And I think that a lot of people feel like Connor and Whitney are, are doing it well because he has completely sacrificed his ego. Like, he has no ego. And he is like, I am strictly here to support Whitney on her journey.

[Danny]

Trying to. I'm. I don't know how the Internet feels about Zach right now, but I feel like he is genuinely. I think it's super weird that he showed up to that meeting for Jen, but I also totally don't because I know that her mental health is probably total crap right now.

[Dani]

And he's trying his best to.

[Danny]

And I can, I, I feel like I can imagine the behind the closed doors. Like, Danny's mental health is suffering, but

[Dani]

she's like, like, jordan, please just go talk to her. Like, I can't show up to the filming. I'm like, so I'm. I want to be with my kids. I feel so guilty. Like, I can't go to the filming. Please, can you just go do it for me?

[Danny]

The thing about what no one will understand that these husbands are going through is, like, what is the line between enablement and empowerment? Like, that is the biggest thing for, like, Instagram husbands is like, where are you enabling the train going off the tracks versus where are you supporting and empowering those things? And I, I agree. I think Conor right Now is being seen as very empowering. Right. And I think that he probably is. But there is going to come a time she's doing eight shows a week, on top of having three kids, on top of filming small kids, two reality TV shows. Like, I'm so sorry. Like, that is inhumane. It's inhumane. We've been there. So, like, he is empowering, and they are on the up and up. And as long as that's a season, I think it actually is empowering. But most likely it's going to come to this point where Whitney is unwell, and he's going to have to ask the question, am I still empowering or am I enabling by supporting this train. Rolling.

[Dani]

But how do we learn otherwise?

[Danny]

How do we learn otherwise? Right. Like, you know, and so. And Zach, I think, is trying to do the same thing. He's like, hey, I supported you doing Dancing with the Stars, but, like, I'm also your husband here, you know? And, like, when can I speak out about. So it's just. It's so hard.

[Dani]

Yeah.

[Danny]

But they are all are trying to figure it out. I just feel really sad sometimes because I'm like, man, to figure that out with, like, almost all of them have, like, three or four kids, right?

[Dani]

Yeah.

[Danny]

Like, even in the show, there's, like, babies crying while they're, like, like, literally performing drama for this show.

[Dani]

Yeah.

[Danny]

It's sad. It's sad.

[Dani]

I know, but it's like, it's also a job.

[Danny]

Yeah, but it's like the kids.

[Dani]

But your kids would be crying at any job.

[Danny]

Are you talking about the babies?

[Dani]

I don't know.

[Danny]

Like, I'm talking about the toddlers, like, the ones that are, like, in the mix of the drama, like, when they, like, know what's going on. I don't know.

[Dani]

Are you talking about when Taylor threw the stool?

[Danny]

No. Well, yeah, that. That's a side effect of, like, the pressure that probably came from reality TV or whatever.

[Dani]

Yeah.

[Danny]

But, like, there was, like, one episode where they were playing pickleball, you know, and, like, all the kids were there.

[Dani]

Okay.

[Danny]

And so I feel like something dramatic happened at this party.

[Dani]

I can't remember.

[Danny]

I can't remember either. But I was like, man, that's so crazy to, like, have the kids all in the mix. And the reason I feel bad is because I know it's, like, the same reason that we're super curated or selective about what we film, because we know that sometimes when you film something, you're missing the actual moment.

[Dani]

Yeah.

[Danny]

And, like, I think what we Learned is like, our kids actually know when we're producing something versus living something.

[Dani]

Yeah.

[Danny]

And they're old. They were old enough to start figuring that out. And I feel like we're blessed that we, like, discovered that. And some of those kids in the mix are like, old enough to know that, like, my parents are performing for this show. So let's say cameras go off.

[Dani]

Yeah.

[Danny]

You know, and they're, they're, they have to go return to that normal state of like, hey, I'm just Jordan, your dad.

[Dani]

Right.

[Danny]

Or I'm just Jesse, your mom. It's just so hard to context switch, you know? And then Jesse, your mom now is like back with Marciano, posting on social media, pouring lemonade on him, because that's the character. So you got to live in this character. You know, even if that's not the mom that you are, maybe that is the mom that you are. You have to live in this character that you've created for yourself because it's part of the job and your kids are old enough to know what's going on. It's just like, how do you reconcile it all? Does that make sense? Yeah, it's so, it just feels so destructive. But that's why we love it and that's why we watch. And so it's a double edged sword.

[Dani]

Yeah. A part of me kind of wishes that they would now. I'm like, I kind of want another season to see what happens to these families as they continue to push the line. Line, the limits. Not because I want them to be harmed. I'm just kind of curious and I wonder if it actually would be helpful to some moms because I still do believe that we're being fed this message as moms. It's like, you can still pursue your dreams as a mom of three and you can still go after this and that and like woman empowerment and let's all, you know, And I believe in all of that too. But. But you can't have it all. You can't.

[Danny]

Well, yeah, but I would say that they are.

[Dani]

And like, and so if you can't have it all, like, and you do pursue it, like, what. What does end up happening? Or what does a healthy version. What does give or what does a healthy version of that look like? Like, if Whitney and Connor are able to go out to New York, do Chicago, and then come back home and say, that was like a really great season, we're gonna take a little break and then maybe do some. Something else really fun, then I'd be like, wow, that was a really cool example of what it looks like to pursue your dreams. Yeah, but if she goes out there and then she's get on another reality show and then. And then they end up getting a divorce in two years. That's interesting to me because then it does show people, like, hey, you actually can't have it all. Like, you can't do this, this, this. And this is despite what Mom Talk even messaged to us at the beginning, which was, let's all support each other and pursue our dreams and, like, boost each other up. But. But you're not. You're thinking about the moms. You're not thinking about the kids. This isn't kid talk. This isn't dad talk. This isn't family talk. This is mom talk. And so what happens to the overall family unit as you can. Like, what's bad and what's good? No, that's a good thing about reality TV sometimes is, like, you get to see, like, what not to do.

[Danny]

Yeah, well, it's 100% and reality TV, like, I think it's. It depends for Connor and Whitney, I think it depends on the medium that she still decides to jump into. I think if you're. If she signs up for another reality TV show. Reality TV is. It's so rarely built on wholesomeness. It's just not interesting enough. Even the Busbys, you know, who had quintuplets or whatever they had, he would talk to me all the time. Like, he was like, man, like, they keep our. We. We. They stood up against their producers on a TLC reality TV show because they were, like, they kept trying to spin drama that we did not feel was going to be good for our children. So these producers know what they're selling. They're selling making people who watch it feel better about themselves. So how do you do that with, like, a successful marriage? Unless you have a villain. That's why Taylor, Frankie Paul was so important to the show, because she could have been the villain, and they could have all honestly had pretty wholesome storylines. Storylines and good families. But, like, if you lose Taylor and she actually becomes the redeemed figure, you guys are either gonna. The producers are gonna push you guys to become the villains, you know, or the show's gonna collapse. Yeah, but. So I think Connor and Whitney can have it all and can have kids and him be a good dad and her be a good mom. I'm just not sure if it's possible if it's reality TV that they keep produ, you know, pursuing. What do you Think.

[Dani]

I think reality TV is possible because once again, it is a season and you know what days and months you're going to be filming. Like the Kardashians have done like 20 seasons of reality TV, but maybe they only film like one month a year.

[Danny]

Yeah.

[Dani]

So it's like, it's kind of like being like on, on an off season. Yeah.

[Danny]

But none of them have been long term married though. But they're also in Hollywood, so maybe that's it.

[Dani]

Yeah.

[Danny]

Do Chip and Joe still do their reality TV show? I think they, they shut it down. Right.

[Dani]

They, they still do a lot of projects together and I think they maybe do like some one offs. But. But yeah, I don't think that they do their show together anymore. That's a good example. I know that that was really hard on their marriage.

[Danny]

Hard on their marriage. Yeah. Because.

[Dani]

So who does have a good marriage that has a show together? Anybody?

[Danny]

It ruined Jessica Simpson and what's his name? Nick Lachey.

[Dani]

Let me ask Chat gpd.

[Danny]

Yeah, ask it.

[Dani]

Or do you want to ask Rock?

[Danny]

No, you can ask Chat GPT. That's good. Who? I mean, honestly.

[Dani]

Oh, Nick Lachey and Vanessa.

[Danny]

Yeah. Or.

[Dani]

But they only do like one episode

[Danny]

and they're, they're hosts. They're more, they're more wisdom type of mentors on the show.

[Dani]

Yeah, yeah. They're not characters.

[Danny]

Right. So they're almost kind of like sharing lived experience. I would say the Busbys, they're the only, like, they're, they're, they're tlc.

[Dani]

That's like totally different platform.

[Danny]

True. Man. Even those home Reno people.

[Dani]

Oh, Kristen Cavallari too. They got divorced.

[Danny]

Yeah, those like the home rent. What's his name? Tariq or whatever.

[Dani]

Oh, yeah.

[Danny]

I mean they were like, they're.

[Dani]

So do you think it's the show that's. That's breaking them up or the fame or both?

[Danny]

I think it's really tricky and we, I think it's personally really tricky when your brand, you as a couple in your marriage, that becomes your brand.

[Dani]

Oh, same with Amanda and.

[Danny]

Yeah.

[Dani]

What's his name? Not west, but Kyle Cook.

[Danny]

Yeah. I don't know if it's the fame. I think it's like when Heidi Montag

[Dani]

and Spencer Pratt, they're still together but she dropped out of all of them. They're the ones that.

[Danny]

But she dropped off.

[Dani]

Yeah, but they were on reality TV a long time. Well, I mean, nobody does reality TV their entire marriage. The only ones that continue to do it are the Kardashians.

[Danny]

Right.

[Dani]

But there's so many of them that they can, like. Man, I watched that Lamar Odom documentary. You seen it? It's crazy. He was, you know, he was a drug addict, maybe sex addict. I don't know. They weren't, like, totally clear on that. He was found in a brothel, so maybe. Um, But Chloe is, like, such a gem. Like, she was really trying to, like, rehab him and support him. And when he had his. Like, when he overdosed, he was found in a brothel, and Kris Jenner. The Jenners were not there to pick him up and bring him back home. And so he, like, couldn't walk anymore. Like, one side of his brain, like, wasn't working. He was, like, in a wheelchair. And she. She was, like, at the time still married to him because the divorce papers hadn't gone through yet. And she was like, I'm not gonna leave him. Like, even though he had, like, multiple times cheated on her, they were already going through a divorce. He was already, like, a really, like, horrible drug addict. She was like, I'm still not gonna leave him. And she decided to let him come back home, and she was gonna rehab him. And so they had, like, all of these, like, specialist coming in and out, taking care of him. And one day she came home, and he was smoking crack, and he had pretended to be worse off than he was so that she would take care of him. And yet he was still having his drug dealers come through the house.

[Danny]

Dang. That's crazy.

[Dani]

Yeah.

[Danny]

So, wait, is he clean now?

[Dani]

It seemed like it. I don't know.

[Danny]

It's just like. Is he alive?

[Dani]

Yeah, he was in the documentary.

[Danny]

Okay.

[Dani]

Him and Chloe were in the documentary.

[Danny]

Wow.

[Dani]

Yeah. But, yeah, and it was like, he had two kids through it all, and

[Danny]

he's probably not super involved in their lives, right?

[Dani]

I think he is more now.

[Danny]

Yeah.

[Dani]

But he. He definitely wasn't back then.

[Danny]

Dang.

[Dani]

Yeah, it's crazy. Chloe's like. You really love her after that documentary.

[Danny]

Really?

[Dani]

Yeah. She, like, really stood by him and, like, did everything she could.

[Danny]

Well, didn't I feel like the whole family, actually. Yeah. Did Kim do the same for Kanye? Like, like, tried to help him.

[Dani]

I'm sure they were married. That. I don't know. That family, man. They will fight for their people.

[Danny]

They will fight for their people. Their selection process could use a little tweaking.

[Dani]

Why?

[Danny]

Just.

[Dani]

Oh, the men. Yeah, sorry, I thought you were talking about because they'll fight for their people because we almost hired one of their people.

[Danny]

Oh, no, no.

[Dani]

And then they, like, literally Fought for her back.

[Danny]

Yeah, no, no, for sure. But, like. No, I was saying that they're. They're selection criteria.

[Dani]

Yeah, for sure.

[Danny]

You know, it's. It's tough.

[Dani]

I think that's what happens when you just are okay with divorce. Like, you don't take it as serious.

[Danny]

Yeah. That's.

[Dani]

You're like, I can always get out of this thing just in case.

[Danny]

It's hard.

[Dani]

When I married you, I was like, this is it forever. You know, I was like, I can't go anywhere.

[Danny]

I was like, like, pudgy and be like, hey.

[Dani]

No, I loved it. Yeah. I feel like we took it very seriously. And if you don't take it that serious, then, I mean, the only thing is, like, Chloe dated him for 30 days and then got married. So sometimes I'm like, sometimes you're asking

[Danny]

for this stuff for sure.

[Dani]

It's like, this is honestly more your fault than anything. It's like, what did you expect, like, to marry someone you don't. You don't really know them. It's like a little.

[Danny]

Yeah. Yeah. I didn't know that. That's crazy.

[Dani]

Yeah. They got married after 30 days of knowing each other. Well, I mean, and he so used her. Like, he talks about. She talked about how he's, like, obsessed with the camera. He was the one that wanted to do the reality show. He's. Because they had a Lamar and Chloe TV show together.

[Danny]

Yeah.

[Dani]

And he even basically said it, like, in the documentary that he just, like, he was like, now we have Lamar Odom and the Kardashians. Like, I'm gonna basically partner with, like, the most, you know, powerful family and then me, like, we're gonna be a power couple. Like, he just. He wanted to be famous.

[Danny]

Was. Yeah.

[Dani]

And. Yeah.

[Danny]

Was he, like a. Was he a good basketball player? Oh, he's pretty good.

[Dani]

Okay. Him and Kobe were pretty good buds. He was traded to Dallas for a little bit. You remember that when everybody was talking about it with Chloe coming to Dallas?

[Danny]

Oh, no, I don't remember.

[Dani]

They were here for, like. I mean, I don't even feel like it was, like, a month. I don't remember. Maybe a couple months. And. And then he got kicked off the team because of his drugs.

[Danny]

Oh, my gosh. Dude.

[Dani]

Yeah. The craziest thing to me is, like, when athletes are drug addicts, I'm like, how are you?

[Danny]

Yeah.

[Dani]

On the field or other protocols for this? No, I mean, there's protocols, and they do drug tests, but he was doing drugs that they weren't testing for. And he knows which crack.

[Danny]

They're like, we didn't think we needed to test for crack.

[Dani]

No, literally. And. And so he knew which ones he could do. And. But I'm like, oh, then how do you wake up in two days and then just go play a basketball game and run up and down the court non stop? I. I can't. I can't fathom it.

[Danny]

I don't know any crack addicts, but that's a tough.

[Dani]

What is crack again? I always forget what this.

[Danny]

Crack cocaine. So I think it's crystallized cocaine. Right.

[Dani]

Wait, so there's a different. So cocaine is one thing and then there's.

[Danny]

Well, cocaine is the powder and then crack, I think, is when they like crystallize it. Right.

[Dani]

What's the. What? What?

[Danny]

Or maybe that's crystal meth. No, that's different.

[Dani]

I don't know, babe.

[Danny]

I don't know. I don't. I don't. I. I pass on grass. I don't do drugs. Dare. Dare.

[Dani]

Program that one. That one. Really?

[Danny]

Actually, it's cocaine, right? Yeah, Correct.

[Dani]

So just cocaine. Not that. Sorry, not just cocaine. I just.

[Danny]

Which the CIA introduced to South Central la. And then we'll end the episode on that. Goodbye.

[Dani]

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