C-Sections and Conspiracy Theories

Summary

De-Influenced with Dani + Jordan: Episode Summary

Episode Title: C-Sections and Conspiracy Theories
Release Date: November 7, 2024
Hosts: Dani and Jordan from Dear Media

---

1. Opening Banter and Reality Television Debate

The episode kicks off with Dani and Jordan engaging in their characteristic playful banter, teasing each other about personal rants and disagreements. They touch upon the topic of reality television, specifically referencing a show set in Dallas.

Notable Quote:

• Dani [00:17]: "Yeah, I'm kind of scared we're gonna fight on this podcast. Not because we have anything to fight about."

The conversation delves into the effectiveness of reality TV in garnering fame, with Dani expressing skepticism about short-lived reality shows significantly boosting one's career.

Notable Quote:

• Dani [01:25]: "It's just different than it used to be. ... going on a show, like, one or two seasons doesn't really move the needle anymore these days."

2. Personal Frustrations and Emotional Outbursts

Jordan brings up Dani's recent emotional reactions, specifically her upset over Red Dye 40 in a glucose drink. They discuss whether these outbursts are influenced by hormonal changes during pregnancy.

Notable Quote:

• Jordan [02:31]: "Well, in the car. And then you were like, why are they giving red DY40 to a pregnant person? This makes no sense whatsoever."

Dani reflects on her naturally feisty personality, attributing her occasional anger to being a "spicy Latina."

Notable Quote:

• Dani [02:34]: "I'm a Scorpio... I'm a spicy Latina."

3. Subscription to Forbes Top Creators List

A significant portion of the discussion centers around Dani’s inclusion in the Forbes Top Creators list. They explore the credibility of the list, the selection process, and its impact on their careers.

Notable Quote:

• Dani [31:10]: "I'm already thinking about next year."

They critique the limitations of the list, noting that it only accounts for influencer income and excludes other revenue streams like brand deals and business ventures.

Notable Quote:

• Jordan [38:36]: "I think that's just brand deals. Like, or that's just maybe his ticket sales to his show."

Dani shares her experience with the Forbes photoshoot, expressing discomfort with how she was portrayed during her postpartum period.

Notable Quote:

• Dani [35:09]: "I really wish I would have had more balls back then because they made me do that photo shoot."

4. Jordan’s Troubles with StubHub and Event Tickets

Jordan narrates a frustrating experience involving the purchase of expensive UT Georgia game tickets through StubHub. The ordeal includes difficulties in transferring tickets, poor customer service, and ultimately purchasing additional tickets to ensure entry.

Notable Quote:

• Jordan [07:37]: "I buy six more tickets at that time. And then I had to break us up."

Despite the chaos, they were eventually refunded for the fraudulent tickets, albeit receiving only a portion back.

Notable Quote:

• Jordan [13:57]: "So we were refunded for all, and they gave me a portion of the four tickets back."

5. Health Struggles: Gallbladder Attacks During Pregnancy

Dani shares her harrowing experiences with gallbladder attacks during pregnancy, detailing the pain, hospital visits, and the impact on her daily life and plans, including a live QVC show.

Notable Quote:

• Dani [19:53]: "When I have a gallbladder attack, it kind of goes in waves similar to contractions."

Jordan adds commentary on Dani's high pain tolerance and discusses the use of fentanyl for pain management during these attacks.

Notable Quote:

• Jordan [22:20]: "I think your pain tolerance is incredibly high. You have a very high pain tolerance."

6. Exploration of Conspiracy Theories

Dani and Jordan transition into their "Conspiracy Hour," where they dissect and discuss various conspiracy theories. Their main focus this episode is on fluoride in drinking water and its purported health impacts.

Notable Quote:

• Jordan [48:21]: "I'm just going to read you the headline... 'fluoride exposure, neurodevelopment and cognition issues related to fluoride.'"

They delve into the historical context of fluoride’s addition to public water supplies, highlighting the involvement of Edward Bernays, a pioneer in public relations, in promoting fluoride despite its origins as an industrial byproduct of aluminum manufacturing.

Notable Quote:

• Dani [54:55]: "What year did the study come out this year? ... it was a byproduct waste of the process of manufacturing."

The hosts discuss the ethical implications of public health decisions influenced by corporate interests and PR strategies, drawing parallels to other historical examples like the promotion of smoking among women.

Notable Quote:

• Dani [71:54]: "He got all these really skinny, beautiful models to be smoking and then, and the campaign like blew up."

7. Personal Reflections on Childbirth and Medical Practices

Dani opens up about her own childbirth experiences, highlighting the challenges and emotional toll of medical interventions like Pitocin and epidurals. She questions the necessity and ethical considerations behind these practices, especially when driven by hospital efficiency and financial incentives.

Notable Quote:

• Dani [76:58]: "They were trying to schedule it for 7:00am... trying to schedule around the doctor, not around my body."

Jordan provides a nuanced perspective on the multifactorial nature of postpartum depression, acknowledging possible links to medical interventions while recognizing other contributing factors.

Notable Quote:

• Jordan [81:34]: "Postpartum depression is multifactorial, influenced by biological, psychological factors and social."

8. Interaction with ChatGPT and Self-Reflection

Towards the end of the episode, Dani and Jordan experiment with ChatGPT prompts to gain insights into their personalities. They share amusing and insightful responses, highlighting the tool's ability to reflect their traits accurately.

Notable Quote:

• Jordan [87:27]: "I think it nailed yours."

They encourage listeners to engage with AI tools like ChatGPT for personal growth and self-awareness while maintaining a lighthearted tone.

---

Conclusion

In this episode of De-Influenced with Dani + Jordan, the hosts navigate a spectrum of topics ranging from personal life challenges and health concerns to critical examinations of public health policies and conspiracy theories. Their candid discussions offer listeners a blend of personal anecdotes, thoughtful critiques, and engaging debates, all while maintaining their signature unfiltered and relatable style.

---

Note: This summary focuses solely on the core content of the episode, omitting advertisements, sponsorships, and non-content segments.

Transcript

[A]

The following podcast is a dear media production. Hello, and welcome back to your favorite podcast, De Influenced. Jordan just told me I've been on a rampage.

[B]

Yeah, I'm kind of scared we're gonna fight on this podcast. Not because we have anything to fight about.

[A]

No, we do.

[B]

Okay, this is what I mean.

[A]

This is what I mean.

[B]

You're really.

[A]

I'm gonna tell you guys what we are not gonna talk about.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

Okay. So there's this, like, reality show going on Dallas, and we're not gonna talk about it because we are in different pages about it.

[B]

Yeah, we're.

[A]

Okay, we'll move on. There you go. That's what we've been fighting out.

[B]

I want to be famous, and Danny does it.

[A]

First of all, I do not think that you get famous from a reality show.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Like, unless you're on, like, Housewives, Beverly Hill, you know, Like, I don't think that you get famous, and I don't think it's the type of fame that you would. Would actually help you progress in your career. Sometimes it depends. Like, if it's around 10 seasons, like the Kardashians, whatever. But, like, you going on, like, a show, like, one or two seasons doesn't really move the needle anymore these days. Is there, like, the Bachelor these days? Like, will be the Bachelor and have, like, 400,000 followers? Back in the day, they would get, like, 4 million.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

It's just a different time.

[B]

Well, because more people are probably watching their Instagram than the actual show.

[A]

Exactly. That's why I. It's just. It's just different than it used to be.

[B]

But anyway, I'm gonna. Danny's not supporting my dreams. I really want to be a part of it.

[A]

Yeah. Jordan's just dying to be on reality tv. It's his dream in life.

[B]

Now, the reason I think you've been on a rampage is it really started yesterday when you did your glucose drink and you were very upset that they put Red Dy 40 in the drink.

[A]

Was I that upset?

[B]

Yeah, you kind of went on a little bit of a rampage, like, on.

[A]

Like, to your face.

[B]

Well, in the car. And then you were like, why are they giving red DY40 to a pregnant person? This makes no sense whatsoever. And then you got upset about something this morning, and I just feel like you're.

[A]

I get upset about.

[B]

Well, I'm not going to say it, but, you know, you were sitting in.

[A]

The chair, like, right here.

[B]

No, in the chair downstairs after you work out. See, this is what I mean. I don't remember it's like, I feel like you're entering into this stage of hormones.

[A]

Finger.

[B]

Yes, we are in the anger stage of your.

[A]

But I'm a Scorpio.

[B]

What does that even mean?

[A]

I don't know. I just feel like. Like, I. Okay, so, for example, when I used to drink, I was, like, an angry drunk. Like, I was not, like, a sweet hugger. Like, I feel like I have anger in me. Like, I'm a feisty girl. Sometimes.

[B]

When you drew. When you drank and were angry, that was so few and far between.

[A]

Okay, yeah, okay.

[B]

But that was like. Honestly, I. I don't remember.

[A]

I'm a spicy Latina. That's what it is.

[B]

Was it, like, only when you drank tequila?

[A]

No, I'm not. I'm over that. The drinking part. I'm saying, like, in my core, even without drinking, I'm a little spicy.

[B]

Danny, I don't think that you're spicy at all.

[A]

What?

[B]

I really don't.

[A]

Oh, my gosh. Our podcast producer is being like. Yeah, she is.

[B]

I think our podcast producer.

[A]

I literally.

[B]

Scorpio. And she's so bound to these astrology signs.

[A]

I literally told you last week. I looked at you and I said, if I die, would you remarry? And you said, no. And I said, well, I give you permission, but you better. I know, because I.

[B]

You were crying. You weren't angry. You were crying.

[A]

I know I was, because I can't imagine, like, life without you or the afterlife without you, really. But no, but then, remember, I. I picked myself up and I said, my only requirement is she better be way sweeter than me. She better not have a personality at all, or I'll come back and haunt her.

[B]

Yeah, you did say that. So you did say that.

[A]

There's the spicy part, but there was.

[B]

A peacefulness to it. It was like, hey, it was coming.

[A]

From a good place.

[B]

Yeah, it was like, hey, listen, you can remarry. I'm just going to haunt her for the rest of her life. But, like, I want you to be happy.

[A]

Yeah, it's more of, like, a facade where it, like, makes me feel tougher so I can protect myself against the world.

[B]

Yeah, there's times where you do get in a state of fierceness, but I would say it's so rare that.

[A]

What did I get upset about this morning? Oh, yeah, I do remember.

[B]

And then you got upset about the reality TV show because you don't support me. And then it just. Awkward.

[A]

Yeah. Okay. Okay. Well, there's things that do kind of tick me off sometimes.

[B]

What's like, what's giving you the ick or ticking you off right now, in this moment, just in general in life.

[A]

When you walked in here and you said what you said about the show, it really takes me off. I was like, oh, we're choosing violence? I'll choose violence too. I have a problem. I think something that really always upsets me is, like, when friends choose, like, business over friendships. What?

[B]

Oh, I was like, okay, that makes sense. I know. I know what you're talking about. I was like, the only reason I stopped is because I was like, sometimes, like, I feel like we're guilty of that. And so I was like, are you saying that about us? No, I got lost for a second.

[A]

No, no, no. Like, like hurt. In a hurtful way.

[B]

In a hurtful way.

[A]

Yeah, yeah, I understand you have a business running.

[B]

Oh, that was another example that happened. Someone did that to you. Was it two days ago? And that was also another rage fit. I just, I listen. I do not contribute to these race fit rage fits. I am so wise now. I just take a step back and I say, that is so hard. And that is so wrong.

[A]

So you don't agree with me a lot of times?

[B]

No, I do.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

I do. I think there's just like a. Like, even if I wanted to. To pacify the situation and be like, well, maybe they were coming from this perspective. It's just not the time.

[A]

No, this is so funny because, like, I'm sure so many wives relate. That is so not true. I can so easily get you riled up, too. Like, if somebody is harming me and there's drama in my life, like, you get 310 invested too. And then like, have you ever seen that sound where it's like, well, who cares? She's ugly. Like, you've seen that? Heard that sound? Like, that's so you. And that's so my dad too.

[B]

Like, your dad gets so invested.

[A]

He loves, like, the girl drama. He's always asking, like, what's going on with your friends? And, like, we don't really have a lot of drama, but, like, you know, in college and high school, he always wanted to know, like, what's the t? What's the 41 1? Yeah, but no, I could get you riled up too. And, like, you get me riled up as well.

[B]

You know what got me riled up? Because it's been like two weeks since we've really caught up on the pod. You know what got me riled up two weeks ago?

[A]

When you saw my booty in those New maternity leggings?

[B]

No, I was gonna say when. That. When I got scammed for my UT Georgia tickets.

[A]

That was really hard. I think we already talked about that on the pod. Oh, we didn't.

[B]

No.

[A]

Oh, it's been a long time.

[B]

No, and I. I have a surprise for the pod. I still have this guy's number, and we're going to try and call him.

[A]

Are you serious?

[B]

Yeah. So let me tell a story first.

[A]

Yeah. Confrontation is hard for me.

[B]

Come on, Ms. Scorpio.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Like, bring out your feisty side. So, you know, I. Okay. So back in September, I buy six. Six tickets to the UT Verse Georgia game.

[A]

Big game. Why is this a big game? Texas was rated number one. Georgia had won, like, national championships the past. I think it was like, 22, 23. Chachi PT, baby.

[B]

Yep. And they're ranked number four.

[A]

And plus, we're fighting against Pooky and Jet here. It's a big game.

[B]

I know. I think they were there.

[A]

No, they weren't.

[B]

They weren't there.

[A]

No. Are you. Babe, do you follow them? Do you see where Jet watches his football games? They have, like, an underground layer of, like, 10 massive screens where he plays. And he just watches it with him. And Pookie funny, because he's so into it. Like, he watches, like. And he, like, is. He stands, like, a foot away from the tv, like, yelling at it. Like he likes his. To watch his games in his.

[B]

Okay, well, so anyway, I bought very, very expensive tickets. They were on the 50 yard line, and I bought them three months ago. I fly six.

[A]

How much are these tickets?

[B]

I can't even tell you.

[A]

I'm just curious.

[B]

Like, I can't even tell you. It would just. It's. It's too bad.

[A]

Like. Okay, can I ask you this? Okay, so Taylor Swift tickets in New Orleans slash Indianapolis are, like. You cannot find them now for probably less than four grand. I mean. Yeah, like, four to. They range from like, four to 10,000. Just for one ticket.

[B]

That. Yes. That's about the range that happened.

[A]

Okay, that's painful.

[B]

So me and five other friends fly down to Austin that morning. I still. I'm using StubHub, and I'm about to rant against StubHub. I don't think anyone should ever use them in their entire life.

[A]

Okay. There goes our sponsorship of StubHub. Bye. It's okay.

[B]

Bye.

[A]

Love you.

[B]

You know, Sea Geek is great. So anyway, I buy these tickets a month ago. We fly down. It's noon in Austin, and my tickets are not transferring over, so I step aside from lunch and I spend an hour on hold to stuff up saying, hey, I don't have my tickets. Where is the seller going to transfer him? Oh, yeah, he's just having an issue at the box office. No big deal. So I'm like, okay, I'll just wait, right? So the game is at 6:30. Okay. It is now 3:00 and I still don't have my tickets. So I'm like, hey, guys, like, I actually think we should go to the stadium and go to the box office, try and get my tickets because I'm. I'm getting concerned because it's going to look bad on me if I. If we all went down and then we don't even get in the stadium.

[A]

That would be so bad.

[B]

It was.

[A]

Everybody left their, like, newborn babies.

[B]

It was horrible.

[A]

The wives are like, all alone, staying at home with their kids.

[B]

Oh, no, it gets worse. So at 3:00, there's no box offices open. So I spend an hour. So they're all at the tailgates. So I leave the tailgate. I'm. I'm no longer with my friends. I'm no, no longer enjoying it. I'm like, I got to get us into the stadium. So it's 3:30. I finally get through to StubHub again. They're like, okay. He says that he's at the stadium, the seller, and he wants to meet up with you and find you. And I'm like, okay, that's super weird because he. Can he just transfer the tickets? And they're like, no. So I'm like, okay, well. And they won't connect me with him because I had. They're like the middleman. So I'm like, we'll swap over and then swap back. So they finally end up giving me this guy's number. And from 4:00 to 5:30, I chase this guy around the stadium.

[A]

Is he really there?

[B]

No, he's there because he's identifying landmarks. He's like, oh, you know where all the fraternity guys are going in? And I'm like, yeah, I'm right there. He's like, I'm on the other side. And so then I go to the other side. And then he's like, oh, I'm at will call on the other side. So I probably looped the stadium by myself while my friends are at the tailgate for like two hours.

[A]

You don't think he's messing with you?

[B]

No. So what happened was, after I had called him, what he kept saying to me was, hey, I'm trying to get these transferred to you at will call. And I said, well, let me just come meet up with you. So he just kind of sent me on this wild goose chase. So finally, on my fifth call to him, because I was starting to get angry, I was like, hey, man, like, I have to get this figured out. I have six friends here. He goes, okay, I'll tell you what really happened. A player gave me these tickets, and they're non ref. Like, they're non transferable. So I'm trying to get the box office to, like, believe me. And so I'm like, oh, no. Like, these are fraudulent tickets. So I call. Like, I call him. Then I'm like, call me back in five minutes. He doesn't call me back. I called him 17 times because I'm like, what am I going to do? And he just keeps screening my call. Keeps screening my call because he has no answer. Yeah. So then what happens is, like, you know how, like, when you go to a state fair acl, like, there's too many phone signals, so your phone doesn't work. So then I have to leave the stadium and walk probably half a mile outside of the stadium vicinity just to call StubHub. So StubHub answers. And StubHub's like, okay, sounds like you're having an issue. And it's always like, someone new, and they're clearly offshore.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

So I'm like, okay, yes, I'm having an issue. And they're like, well, let us call the seller. And then they swap back on with me. And they're like, the seller just answered and said that he left them at will call. And I'm like, there is no will call. Like, there is no will call. And so I'm like, guys, like, I don't know what to do. And I'm like, okay, I need you to call him and just give me my money back. So they're on the line and it's now 6:00. So my friends are like, where are you? Like, we need to get into the stadium. So I go on to StubHub again, and I'm like, I have to bite the bullet. I buy six more tickets. Oh, my gosh, babe, Last minute.

[A]

Where's all our money?

[B]

So listen, listen. I buy six more tickets at that time. And then I had to break us up. All I wanted to do was sit with my friends and watch the game. I had to buy two orders of four, and then two. So we already were going to have to split up. So the four, they transfer to me. Then the other two don't. So then I had to go on SeatGeek and buy two additional tickets. And so then finally, I get all my tickets, and I'm like, okay. I'm walking towards the stadium, and the guy switches back on, and he's like, hello, are you there? And I get into the zone where the signal cuts out and the call drops. And so I walk in to the stadium. They're like. My friends are like, did you get it figured out? And I was like, no. I was like, but I think I'll figure it out tomorrow. Let's just go enjoy the game. But at that time, I was 14 tickets deep to, like, one of the biggest college football games on in the country.

[A]

Have you seen. Have we. Have we been refunded for this?

[B]

Yeah, we were. So the good news is that we got refunded for all, and they gave me a portion of the. The four tickets back, but the. That's not the real portion.

[A]

So we actually made. Made money.

[B]

We spent less than we originally were going to spend.

[A]

See, that's just not good customer support. I feel like they should have just funded.

[B]

That's my. That's my mission in life, is that no one ever uses stuff. Seatgeek was great. They've always been great.

[A]

I mean, I'm deleting stuff Hub off my phone right now, but the last thing. Nobody messes with my boo boo.

[B]

Well, so the last thing that I sent this guy is I said, well, I'm not going to tell you what I said. It wasn't nice, but what I want to do right now.

[A]

Did he read it?

[B]

It's a totally normal guy, but at one point, he was like, he had enough of our money. He had enough of our money that this guy should have actually, like, he could have gone to jail from how much he had, like, locked up. So what I really want to do right now is I want to call him and I want to have a conversation with him about this situation. I'm so scared and why he did this to me. And I'm not going to be mad. I'm just going to say, hey, why did you not answer? And then why did you lie to Stubhub? Because he is supposed to be a number one seller. Let's call him. You have reached the voicemail.

[A]

Wait, let's look him up.

[B]

No, we already looked him up. He just screened me for sure.

[A]

Wait, use my phone.

[B]

Let's use your.

[A]

But he's going to see that you already.

[B]

No, no, no, no, no, no. We Got this.

[A]

He's going to call me back later. Devin even be sitting here in this? I can't.

[B]

Danny, we're not in the wrong. I know, but this guy's a scammer. Let's call from yours.

[A]

Remember when we called Logan Paul?

[B]

Yeah, that's right.

[A]

Good times. I still have his number.

[B]

No, he's not gonna answer.

[A]

You should have called from my phone first.

[B]

No. Well, I had Devin do this, and I said, devin, here's what you're gonna say. You're gonna pose. I think Devin's called him, like, every day since. Like, he's got this weird, righteous sense of justice. And I'm like, devin, this really isn't even your problem. He, like, he signs him all up.

[A]

Good friend.

[B]

Well, he also. This is kind of petty, but, like, this is what Devin does, is, like.

[A]

He signed him up for all these emails.

[B]

No, all the political text.

[A]

Oh, my God.

[B]

He, like, tried to guess his political affiliation, then it was, like, signed him up for all the offices.

[A]

Wait, somebody must have done that to me because, like, I get so many texts.

[B]

But anyway, I just want everyone to know that it worked out. But it was a crazy story and never used StubHub.

[A]

We see you.

[B]

We see you.

[A]

Vivid seats and Tsiki. Call me. I'm so. I'm so sorry that happened to you.

[B]

It's okay.

[A]

I. I watched the game with your parents, and I was really, really, like, sad the whole time because I kept calling you and, like, trying to figure out if you got into the stadium or not.

[B]

I know you really were concerned. It was very sweet.

[A]

And then I was, like, so into the game because I knew that you struggled so much.

[B]

I know.

[A]

And I was, like, screaming at the tv, like, okay, when Texas started throwing all that trash on the field, I. Oh, my God.

[B]

I mean, like, Danny, I have never. Listen, I don't endorse this. As a Texas fan, I stand by Matthew McConaughey's statement that that was very classless of us to do. But I have never been in a college stadium that was as electric as when they threw the bottles on the field and then they reversed the call there, that momentum for 10 minutes. I've never been in an atmosphere like that before.

[A]

Same. Like, me and your dad were, like, standing up, like, screaming at the tv. I'm not. I'm gonna be honest with you, okay. Because I look back and I'm like, what Texas did was not classy, but in the moment, I was like, throw the cans. Throw the cans. I was, like, such a bad Call. I was like, yeah, you throw the trash. And then I had to, like, take a step back and be like, danny.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

But, like, I was, like, happy in the moment. And then when we scored that touchdown, I was like, yeah, we throw those bottles. Which it was horrible.

[B]

But it's funny because Miles went to Texas Tech, and he was like, I don't see the problem. He's like, we should be throwing batteries. What do we do?

[A]

It is really crazy that. Because of. I. I wouldn't say because of that, but, like, they did.

[B]

They reversed.

[A]

Reverse the call. It's crazy. Good times, you know, Texas football.

[B]

I would say the other crazy thing that's happened in the past two weeks is your gallbladder attack that put us in the hospital.

[A]

Yeah, that was. That was a rough one. So I've had a couple of these gallbladder attacks, which I. I guess they're triggered by spicy or fatty foods, which I eat both of.

[B]

So, yeah, they're like. She, like, gets to the emergency room. They're like, what did you eat today?

[A]

I'm like, hot cheetos.

[B]

She's like, a salad. And I was like, danny, be honest. You're like, okay, hot cheetos. Some cookies.

[A]

No, No, I did not. I really didn't. The first time it ever happened, I did have chick fil A and then a spicy soup for. For dinner, but that was the first time, so I didn't really know what was going on. And then the second time it happened, I thought, oh, I'll just have a couple french fries. And then it happened again. The third time, I was in the clear, I had pesto pasta for dinner. I don't know why it happened. And I had chipotle for lunch.

[B]

You're like, it's too good to pass up. I'll. I'll risk the heart attack feeling biscuit for the biscuit.

[A]

No, I really thought chipotle was healthy.

[B]

Yeah, no, these things are. Maybe explain what it feels like to have a gallbladder attack.

[A]

So when I have a gallbladder attack, it kind of goes in waves similar to contractions. So contractions, like when you were going into labor, like, you. You ha. The pain comes on, but then you have a second where you can, like, rest. The pain comes on. So that's how the gallbladder attack felt. It started in my heart. Like, I feel. I felt like I was having a heart attack. And then it would move, like, to the middle of my back, and then it would move. The pain would move to, like, right above my bump. Like, on the right side. And. And then, like, it would be like, really, really intense pain, like heart attack pain, contraction pain. And then it would go away for like five minutes, and then it would come back on. And. But when you're having the, like, episode, it hurts so bad. And then as it goes on, because this probably happened like for two or three hours, like after about an hour of the pain off and on, then I start to get nauseous and. And that's when I start throwing up.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And so. And it's like a lot of throw up.

[B]

It's. The sounds are really kind of what haunt me. It's not the. The visual of the throw up. It's like, it's a very. It's. It's very like Exorcist. It's like it comes.

[A]

It comes from deep down within.

[B]

Yeah, that's what I'm saying.

[A]

It's an intense. It's not like I. You don't like, throw up food. It is like you're throwing up, like your soul. Yeah, that's what it felt like. So it's pretty intense. But the first two. Two times I had it, I did. I labored at home. You know, I did it naturally. And then the third time I was supposed to go on a plane at 7am to go do QVC, which I've known about this opportunity all year. I do QVC one time a year each year with Elemis, and I look forward to it every single year. We have a live audience, we sell tickets, I meet people, I do it with my mom. It is like one of my favorite things to do. And of course, out of all the days to have the gallbladder attack, it was the morning I was supposed to fly to QVC. And so there was another flight that left at 9am so, like, I start laboring at 2am okay. So that's when the pain. I lay down, I go to sleep. I wake up in the middle of the night. It wakes me up, the pain. I'm like, oh, gosh. I was like, jordan, I think it's happening again. And so we start going into laboring, and then by 5:00am, you know, we call the emergency room. We call labor and delivery, because my doctor had told me if this happens again, call labor and delivery.

[B]

Which I would say this just for clarification. I think your pain tolerance is incredibly high. You have a very high pain tolerance.

[A]

Thank you.

[B]

And so when you finally go to an emergency room, like, it's like a 9 or 10 scale on pain, for sure.

[A]

Yeah, yeah. I tried to do it at home because I knew that it would go away. But the reason, honestly, the main reason I went in is I was like, I gotta make this flight. You know, at. At the time, at 7am I was still thinking I was gonna leave. And I was like, I gotta get in there. And my doctor had told me they could give me something for the pain. And I thought, let's just get in there for the pain. I'll get on the plane and have this pain, like, reduced, and then I'll go do my live show and fly home.

[B]

Yeah, let me paint this visual. Literally, it's Danny hooked up to IVs, all these tubes coming out of her body. And she's like, call Jenny. She's like, jenny's at the airport. See when the next flight is. And so I'm like, literally on the phone with Jenny. And I'm like, hey, Jenny. And she's like, is she okay? And I'm like, you know, she still thinks she's going to make this flight. And she's like, okay, well, we'll wait. And so I'm like, okay. And then like, you. You get like, your pain medicine, which is actually fentanyl.

[A]

They gave me fentanyl, which, let me tell you, I've never felt anything like that before. It felt amazing.

[B]

Yeah, but it's crazy.

[A]

I wear off after like 30 minutes, which was.

[B]

Well, when you're in the. The hospital, they give you such a small dosage. But when they said that you were on fentanyl, I was like, babe, anything.

[A]

In mass doses could kill you.

[B]

I know, but I'm like, why would you give someone fentanyl? Like, it's just such a.

[A]

It's a safe. It's a safe one for pregnancy. I don't know. I've never taken a pen. Pain medication during pregnancy. I mean, you can't even freaking take Advil. I'm like, you guys are giving me fentanyl.

[B]

So then, anyway, she's like, loopy on the plane. So then I call Jenny back.

[A]

No, not loopy on the plane.

[B]

No, sorry, loopy in the bed. And she's like.

[A]

And in the emergency room.

[B]

In the emergency room, she's like, call Jenny. So I call Jenny again. There's like an hour. Like, we. We can basically leave in the next 15 minutes.

[A]

I told her, I said, I feel amazing. I said, get me on that plane.

[B]

I know, that's what I said. I go, jenny. She says she feels amazing, but she's on fentanyl. So I feel like we should Call this and not. Not let her know.

[A]

But, like, in that moment when the fentanyl hit, like, because they gave it to you in the IV and it took about three, like, three minutes for it to hit. And so I'm, like, floating on a cloud. I'm like, I literally could conquer the world right now. I was like, screw this bed. I'm like, I got to get out of here. Like, I got some qvc. I got some elements to show. Like, I'm like. Like, my mom. Mom was waiting for me over in, you know, where was Pennsylvania.

[B]

So then on the other line, I'm calling her mom, and her mom's like, wait, so, like, Danny's not going to be like, I'm going to have to do this QVC alone. And I go, hey, I'm like, mom.

[A]

I'm coming for you.

[B]

Like, this is what you're built for. We've trained you for this. Get in there. Get in there. Tornado. You can do this.

[A]

No, honestly, I was most upset about. I mean, obviously, I love going on qvc, and I love. But the live audience, I was. I got to meet them last year, and we did like, a meet and greet afterwards.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And we sell tickets, and I'm like, I feel like I'm letting down so many people in the. Like, I can't even imagine being a celebrity where you cancel a show with thousands of people because we only had 50 in the audience.

[B]

Morgan Wallen.

[A]

And, like, I was still babe. He's going through a lot.

[B]

He's canceled so many shows.

[A]

I know. Yeah. But anyway, so that. That really bummed me out. I hate letting people down like that. So I was trying everything in my power to make it happen. But honestly, they're all. Another reason is they did all these tests and everything was fine with the baby. It's just the pain, you know? I'm like, if it's just the pain, like Danny, like, no pain, no gain. Like, you gotta. You gotta keep moving. Like, if baby's fair, if baby's safe, then, like, you just keep going along. And that's kind of how I live my life. Sounds.

[B]

Sounds like a Forbes top creator to me. That's what it takes.

[A]

If baby's safe and everything's gonna be okay. Everybody's like, you gotta rest. You gotta rest. And I'm like, why would I rest? Like, that's only gonna hurt my mental health and then probably make baby suffer when baby gets here.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And mama's gotta stay busy and gotta stay healthy. Like, that's. That's my Type of, you know.

[B]

Yeah. I mean, I'm appreciative of the medical establishment, but it is kind of ironic that, like, you go in for a gallbladder attack, they give you fentanyl, and then they basically just tell you that you have either gas or nausea at.

[A]

The end of that happens.

[B]

I feel like there's a better well. So they can't do chat GBT told us versus what y'all are talking about.

[A]

Well, they can't do. When you're pregnant, they can't do X rays and that sort of thing. So they kind of have to look at everything. And even if I did need my gallbladder taken out eventually, like, which I might. It's probably more risky to do it while I'm pregnant than to just go back into the hospital for the next two months until I deliver if I need to, and handle the pain. Like, handle the pain and just manage the pain.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

You know what I mean? Like, why go through a surgery right now when I could just get the baby out in two months and then go through the surgery?

[B]

Yeah. I just.

[A]

It's just a little risky.

[B]

I felt a little gaslit for you, that they were just trying to tell you it was heartburn. I was like, why are we here, then?

[A]

Yeah, yeah, no, I've had heartburn before for this. This was not. Not heartburn. You know, this could be a good segue into our conspiracy hour.

[B]

Well, are you just gonna blow past the fact that you had a gallbladder attack and then we had Stella's birthday the next day as though nothing happened, and then you hop on a plane to Forbes, and then on Monday, you're the Forbes top creator. Like, it. It's just weird. It's just another day. But it's like when we stop and we think and we reflect on this podcast like, it's a pretty weird life. It's pretty weird time.

[A]

Yeah. I just don't know any different. I've always been like, your friend.

[B]

Our friends are so used to it that they're like, you're in the hospital yesterday. Sorry about that. Happy birthday, Stella.

[A]

We birthday game friends are, like, bringing me soup. And they're like, yeah.

[B]

They're like, are you okay? And I'm like, yeah, it's just. It's fine. Friday.

[A]

Another day. Another day. But, yeah, that. That was pretty crazy. Like, honestly, maybe God was trying to protect me because doing QVC and flying back that day and then doing Stella's birthday and then going to Forbes for the whole day. Yeah, I might have. I Might have collapsed. Yeah, it was a lot. Stella's birthday was great. I got absolutely zero pictures. But, you know, I'm just. I'm laughing it off. It's lol. Is that normal for a kid not to like pictures?

[B]

You know, I asked a mom at gymnastics, I said, you know, she was like, oh, you know, it's so funny. Stella didn't want to be in any pictures. And I go. And she didn't want to blow out her candles. Y'all blew. Blew them out for. And I was like, yeah, but that's, like, normal, right? And she was like, yeah. And I. And her reaction kind of made me question my whole existence a little bit.

[A]

It's. Stella was born like that.

[B]

Yeah, I know.

[A]

That's literally when she came out of the womb. And I was like, hi. And like, every mom wants to get newborn pictures. Okay. I'm not even wanting these pictures for social media. Like, I want to be able to look back and be like, oh, this is your per. I have pictures of me when I turn four at my birthday party. Like, I just want the memories, and I can't even get, like, the memory out of her, you know, just like one picture where she's even looking at the camera without it, you know, so. But no, I. When I post about that in my DMs, like, it's literally like thousands of people are like, same, same. Like, it's so normal. And. And Stella is just. She's so intelligent and she's, like, very reserved and shy, and she just, like, she doesn't do things she doesn't want to do. I know a lot of other kids are like, just kind of did it and they persuaded to do whatever, and she's just headstrong and you got to love her for it, you know?

[B]

I know.

[A]

So, no, I'm not. I'm not worried about that. I just was sad because I was like, I wanted a picture of her and I like, in front of the Barbies, stuff I thought it'd be cute to look back at one day. But now we'll look back at the pictures of her, like, hiding in the balloons, which will be great.

[B]

And we'll laugh about Was so funny because, like, we were. Our friends were trying to get the picture. So she was like, with us for a second, and then she runs away behind the balloons. And so we pretty much just got pictures of me and Danny kneeling at.

[A]

Her birthday with all of her friends.

[B]

And I'm like, those are the funniest fixtures.

[A]

It's just us. Yeah, I Literally had to blow out her candles, like, for her. But you said you didn't like blowing out candles as a kid.

[B]

I don't remember if I did or not. Yeah, I just don't like, I, I'm very similar to her where I didn't like being the center of attention.

[A]

I was shy, but like, I loved it. I was like, this is my day, biatches. Everybody get in line.

[B]

Yeah, I mean, that makes sense.

[A]

I was like, I'm like, shy, but like, do not mess. Like, those are my candles. Yeah. So, no, I mean, it was a great day. Went to Forbes.

[B]

Yeah. How do you feel after? How do you feel being a Forbes top creator for the third year running? Does it feel different?

[A]

No, I mean, it's, I can't believe it. Honestly, it feels good. I'm already thinking about next year.

[B]

I, I'm aware it's already been a stress point in our pillow talks.

[A]

I'm like, how am I gonna top myself next year? It's like this pressure to keep on growing, which is, is kind of hard.

[B]

Are you more, Were you more honored to be named on the Forbes list or to be mentioned on the toast?

[A]

Ooh. So the first time I was ever mentioned on the toast was the first year I made the list.

[B]

Oh, okay.

[A]

Do they do like, they do a review of it every year and I do need to fact check them a little bit.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

So I guess there's this like, rumor or, and honestly, maybe it has changed, like the policy has changed, but they had this philos or they had this, this idea, this theory that anyone on the photo shoot or anyone on the Forbes top list that had a Polaroid picture ak, they flew to LA and did the photo shoot, I guess didn't apply.

[B]

No. They think that if you had a Polaroid.

[A]

Oh, you did apply. Okay. So, yeah, their theory was that if you got a Polaroid picture ak, you got the photo shoot that you applied to be a top creator. I could be wrong. I don't think you can apply. They have someone that curates the list and we know because we've met them multiple times. And not only that, the numbers in the statistics or like the numbers that they, they put on the list are pretty accurate because you're actually required to send in financials and like in like receipts or tax.

[B]

You have to prove like, they can't. They do audit the numbers to a certain degree. Yeah. So, I mean, I, I, I agree with you. I, I, I think that she, it was Claudia, right?

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

She's just funny. She was Just being funny. She was just, like, creating a. A theory about the Polaroids. Right?

[A]

Yeah, yeah. No, I mean, it's a good theory, but. But, yeah, you can't. I don't think that you can apply to the list.

[B]

I think you can apply for other Forbes lists. Like, the 30 under 30 list is actually not super prestigious because it's like, you really can kind of buy your way in, I think.

[A]

No, no.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

To the 30 under there. You can buy your way in.

[B]

Yeah, I. I think everyone kind of knows that about the 30 under 30 list, but. So I. I understand where they are coming from, but the top creator list, in our experience, we know exactly who. Who curates it and who selects it. It is curated, not applied for.

[A]

I am looking online. I don't see. See an application. I don't know how you would apply.

[B]

But Is it weird to you that on the toast, she didn't bring up the, like, y'all had potted together. They've done a podcast together.

[A]

I know. I'm like, claudia, we go way back.

[B]

I know. That's what I was kind of thinking, too. I was like, that's your only commentary is like, I thought we were. We were friends.

[A]

It's. No, it's definitely one of those situations where it's. It's like also the sound, like, oh, well, I'm definitely your best friend. Like. Like, I love her. She probably doesn't know a lot about me. It's okay. I respect that. It's kind of like Taylor Swift. Like, I don't need you to know a lot about me. Like, I just love you and, like, you just be you. Like, all I need you to do is be you, and you don't need to know about me.

[B]

Also, her personality and, like, her sense of humor is, like, pretty quick. And so you never know if she's just being, like, sarcastic.

[A]

No, I know, I know.

[B]

I know.

[A]

That girl like, my hand. I know. Like, she's. I know when she's kidding or not. You probably don't, because she's. No. Like, it was so fun. Yeah. So that was an interesting experience. We also. The first year that we made the list, I'm so happy that they changed my picture because that first time I made the list, I was postpartum with Stella. Do you remember? I was, like, probably two or three months postpartum, so I definitely still had my fupa, you know, and so. And that. Not only that, but I had my double chin and, you know, like, the. My one qualm with this Forbes photo shoot. And I look back and I'm like, man, I really wish I would have had more balls back then because they made me do that photo shoot. And do you remember, like, the photographer was, like, trying to get me, like, to be this, like, bad a girl boss and, like, walk and have a serious face?

[B]

Yeah, I think I held the leaf blower.

[A]

Yes. And, like, she was like. She was like. And, like, tell yourself, like, you're, you know, the baddest bee in the world. You know, all these things. And I. I just don't think like that naturally. Like, that's not where my mind typically goes. And so I felt like she was trying to get me to be somebody that I wasn't.

[B]

Right?

[A]

And in this photos, it really shows. Like, I was not. I was not myself. And then they use those photos for every single Forbes event or for Forbes mention or whatever. And I'm like, you know, please stop using that photo. Like, I hate it so much. And finally, they. I even, like, kind of, like, gaslit them. Last year, I was like, guys, listen, I was so past postpartum. Like, can y'all please just not use that ugly photo of me? Like, that's not fair. Everybody else gets the most beautiful photo. And I was like, two months postpartum, and they still were like, no, no. But then this year, they used, like, a photo that I liked.

[B]

That's sweet.

[A]

So thank you, Forbes. And I just wish next time I'm gonna. I'm in a photo shoot where someone's trying to make me be someone that I'm not gonna say, no, that's not me.

[B]

Good for you.

[A]

Yeah, I'm gonna say, that's not my personality. I'm not gonna do a straight face.

[B]

Little Scorpio. You. Yeah, like, feisty Scorpio.

[A]

Get with me. But, like, please invite me to your party. Yeah, there she is. Still love me. I'll be nice to you. Yeah. So that was really exciting. Was there anybody on the list that you were really impressed by or shocked by?

[B]

So I was reading Twitter and I was shocked that they. This is so, like, funny, but, you know, I think it's speed. High speed or speed. He's a twitch. Streamer. He's probably, like, the biggest in. I. I would say he's, like, top five. And I was surprised he wasn't on the list. But they did include Kai Sanat, who I personally love. Like, Kai Sonat is like my Claudia. Like, if I met him, I would just be like, you just be it. I just. I. I just love the guy, but I was shocked that he wasn't like top five because I thought that he was probably making as much as like a Mr. Beast and his number was like 8.5 for his business, which is like. Well, so just generally, like, if you understand how large his following is, I was surprised by that. He's a guy like. So this is what he's doing. He is streaming for 24, 7 every day for the 30 days in November. Like, he is going to, I mean, he's not going to show anything but shower on live. He's going to sleep on live. He's going to play games on live. Like, he is streaming for 24, seven days straight for 30 days. That's how committed he is to being successful.

[A]

Well, and you correct me if I'm wrong, but though with like Logan Paul who owns or, sorry, Mr. Beast who has Feastables, Logan Paul who owns prime, you're not allowed to include that income.

[B]

Yeah, that's another thing.

[A]

This is just, yes. Your influencer income. Like Addison Rae only did like 3 million and she's like one of the most followed people on TikTok. It's because she's probably just including what she made in her influencer business.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

You can't. She has like all these other brands and the cosmetic brands. Like, that's another thing that people don't understand. Like Mr. Beast is probably worth way more than what. I mean, he's number one and it said that he did 82 million.

[B]

I think that's just brand deals.

[A]

That's just brand deals. Like, or that's just maybe his ticket sales to his show. Like anything that has to do with influencer is that, is that number.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And that's why. Because, because Alex Cooper, right. She got like, didn't she get like a hundred million dollar deal with Spotify? Her number says 20 million. Yeah, that's because that's just her influencer business.

[B]

Yep. Well, and that deal happened after the cutoff too.

[A]

Oh, true.

[B]

So like next year it'll probably say that she did 100 million or whatever.

[A]

True, true.

[B]

So. But I will say that was another thing the toast was wrong about is I think that they thought that it did include both. Like, it has, that has nothing to do with like divvy. But I will say this, that a lot of people I think probably think that Logan Paul is losing relevance because I think his number for this year is smaller than last year. But a lot of what the, I think the nuance that's interesting for people is like what that probably shows is that he's focusing way less on his influencer business and way more on things outside of his influencer business. Which means that prime is probably starting to consume and be more worth his time than his influencer business.

[A]

See, that's what's so interesting. I almost wish they would have a list for influencer brands.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

You know, because like that's like a whole nother.

[B]

It wouldn't be fair though because like, I mean, yeah, actually running prime are probably valued in like the 500 million dollar plus.

[A]

But like, how's that not fair? Because also why was dude perfect not on here? I bet they like didn't want. So the other thing that can happen is Forbes reaches out to you and you can decide whether or not you want to be a part of it. So you can say like, because I remember the first year we were like, I don't know if we want to like do this, like, is this even real? Or like are we getting scammed? And so you can deny. And so like, because then you don't send in your financials. And I'm sure there's a lot of people that were maybe reached out to that were like, I just don't want to, I don't care to be on. Yeah, you know, I, I wanted to be on it because I'm a three on the Enneagram. Yeah.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And I thought it would be helpful to meet other people and to like the Forbes family is so incl. Like once you're in it, like they really take care of you. And like, for example, when I, I work with Walmart a lot, I love Walmart. I probably have like two brand deals a month with Walmart. And when I went to speak at this past event that was sponsored by Walmart, I was sitting, I did an interview with the editor, Steve, and I was telling him about like, yeah, like, I love what he was like, oh, let me introduce you like the CMOs here. Like, he's like, I got you. Like, I'll make sure that my team like, he was just so helpful. And so I really, I love being a part of that family and I feel like they always like consider me for events now and they're. You know what I mean? It just, it's so nice to have other people to network with, especially when you're just working at home.

[B]

So I also think you've been doing this for so long that, and I think that the cultural conversation around being a creator is now, oh, this is a business. So I think it's like good to a certain degree. To be transparent about, like, what is possible, you know, in terms of, like, what this business could be and then like training other creators on, like, how to get there. And so I think it's, I think it was the right decision to say yes to like, letting this information out there.

[A]

Yeah. I never question it.

[B]

Oh, okay. I have, I have probably multiple times.

[A]

A year, but I don't know. I just do that. I go, it's the same thing with a reality show. But we are not going to talk about that.

[B]

Yeah. Because you don't support me. Yeah.

[A]

In your reality career. Listen, baby number three is growing, which means my clothes are getting a little bit snug. A little bit snug? Are you kidding me? I can't even wear most of my clothes. This is why I love Good American. They're always fits. Jeans are a total game changer. They stretch perfectly with my body, giving me room to move and breathe without ever losing their shape, which is everything to me these days. Also, can we just say, like, the worst thing known to mankind is a gene that doesn't stretch. Like, why do they even make those jeans anymore? It literally feels like they were made just for me. Good Americans always fit denim uses a one size fits four design that adapts to your body's changes and fluctuations, guaranteeing the perfect fit every time. So when your body changes, your jeans won't need to. It's been a struggle to want to dress up these days, but Good American makes it easy to buy. Give makes it easy by giving me so many cute styles to choose from without having to choose between style and comfort. From skinny jeans to boot cut, high waisted to cropped, Good American offers a wide variety of styles that cater to every preference and occasion. Good Americans Always Fit Americans always fits. Limitless form, four way stretch and recovery denim moves with you, stretching up and down four sizes, holding its shape and flattering yours. Plus What I really love about Good American is that they are size inclusive with sizes from size 00 to plus, size 32. And y'all know I love the Kardashians. Good American was co founded by Khloe Kardashian and Emma Greed with a mission to redefine fashion through inclusivity and comfort, creating denim that feels as good as it looks, catering to all body shapes and sizes. Shop [e-mail] Use promo code Dani for $50 off your first pair. Don't forget to select, podcast at checkout and choose our show to let them know that we sent you I love me anything the Kardashians touch. To me it's just, it's gold. We're inching closer and closer to baby number three's arrival and we are so excited to get to use Dreamland Baby products again. Jordan I have used Dreamland Baby products with both of our kids since they were born, specifically the Dream Weighted Sleep Sack. The company was founded by a mother who was having trouble with her son's sleeping schedule. She was exhausted, completely desperate for sleep and willing to try anything. One night she placed a throw blanket on him and noticed that he immediately calmed down. That's what I do with Jordan, which led to a light bulb moment. Dreamland Baby was created from there and has now helped over 500,000 families get more sleep. The Dream Weighted Sleep Sack is easy to use, made out of quality materials, 100% soft and natural cotton, and gives a better sleep for the baby and the parents. The two way zipper allows for easy diaper changes. It really is a lifesaver and comes with a tagless design to avoid irritation. My kids are so they're like cannot do tags. It's like it causes such a fuss. The weight of the sack is distributed evenly from the shoulders to toes. The sack relaxes and calms your baby and mimics the feeling of a parent. Parents touch or hug. Stratton is the best sleeper and we truly attest a lot of that to the Weighted Sleep sack he wears. It has helped him fall asleep faster and stay asleep longer, which is why we always recommend Dreamland Baby products to new parents. And no, we'll be using them with baby number three as well. They have some other amazing baby and children products such as swaddles and pajamas. Their pajamas are so cute too. It's truly the perfect gift for the new or expecting parents in your life. And Happy Early Black Friday. Go to dreamlinebabyco.com and use my code Danny for buy one get one free deal from my favorite baby brand, Dreamland Baby. My Code Danny will work site wide on both non weighted and weighted products, PJs and more as long as they are of equal or lesser value. Feel free to mix and match, but note this is the final sale. Use my Code Danny at checkout. This is a great way to stock up on Dreamland Baby products or to give as gifts. The last thing I'll say Dreamland Baby Channel should we make weighted sleep swaddles for adults? Speaking of must have baby items, I want to talk to you guys about the Nanit baby monitor. Y'all, I don't even know do you remember whenever we used to have that like, cheap monitor that we walked around the house with and it was like you couldn't even leave like the parameters for. Because our nana. Now we can check our phone. Our, our babies when we're in like Cabo. Yeah, like literally. I, I giggle about those, those first days of being parents. You all know we are all about to have a full house with a four year old, two year old and a newborn. So it's extra important to me that I have a baby monitor I can trust. My busy moms know it's so hard to leave your babies for work, but with Nanit, I can keep an eye on things at home and check in right on the app when I'm on the go. It's truly given me so much peace of mind, especially as baby number three is quickly approaching and things are about to get a little more crazy in the Austin Ramirez household. The Nanit baby monitor has won over 25 awards in 2024 alone, including from the New York Times, Wirecutter, Parents magazine, and the skim. Also, fun fact, this is what I got Ellie, my best friend for her baby shower. I got her in the Nanit.

[B]

Oh, that's a good one.

[A]

I got it. But you know what? I forgot I didn't get her the stand for it. I forgot. So I kind of put more work on her. Sorry. But Nanit isn't just a high definition camera. It also monitors your baby's sleeping and breathing patterns. Plus it helps you not miss any of the baby milestones. With all of these tools, Nanit makes more sleep for your baby and you possible. Nanit parents tend to get an extra 36 nights of sleep per year and Nanit babies sleep 10% longer. I have one ready for baby number three, but have already been using Nanit for Stella and Stratton and it's just as effective for the toddler stage. Also, I really like the fact that they do the split screen. So yes. So we. You could actually split. Split screen it and we can watch Stella and Stratton all at once. The Nanite baby monitor is the MVP of baby gear. It's the one baby item we can't live without. Truly. And of course we have a special offer for our listeners. Get 20% off. That's so good. With your first order with code Dream20. That's D R E A [e-mail] Now N A N I T.com so should we move on to what like really the purpose of this episode? The meat and Potatoes.

[B]

Yeah, let's get into the meat and potatoes.

[A]

The meat and the potatoes of this. This episode is. We want to have conspiracy hour where we go through some of our not favorite conspiracies, but just some relevant conspiracy theories in our life. Jordan's.

[B]

I'm just so excited.

[A]

He's so excited.

[B]

I wasn't gonna talk about fluoride, but I really think I should talk about fluoride. Fluoride.

[A]

How about fluoride?

[B]

Babe, can I tell you the story about fluoride?

[A]

Well, can I do mine first? Because it's kind of relevant.

[B]

Can I go first?

[A]

Okay. Okay.

[B]

Okay. Because I wanna. I wanna tell you this, okay, as though this is the first time you've heard about it, because I actually don't think you were listening to me when I had this epiphany and realization.

[A]

It was like 10:00 at night. But I know about, like, the fluoride thing.

[B]

Okay, so let me start this story by saying me to. Or saying that.

[A]

Wait, should we make a disclaimer and say nothing that we're about to say, say is factual, don't come for us. Like, for sure factual. Like, I mean, sorry, listen, actually, disclaimer, like, you're not saying that this is for sure, for sure. These are conspiracies that could be right or might not.

[B]

You know, honestly, guys, I think in culture, like, what even is a conspiracy anymore? So many of these things have come to light into fruition that, like, are we even.

[A]

Yeah, don't. No, disclaimer. Take that out. Edit that out.

[B]

Yeah. What I will say is I will present the facts that I learned from Chachi bt, and I will let you draw the conclusion of whether you think this is a conspiracy or not.

[A]

It's on you.

[B]

The video, it's on you.

[A]

It's on us.

[B]

Okay, so let me tell. Let me take you down a little story.

[A]

Okay?

[B]

So we launched our OG shampoo and conditioner. Okay? You remember that event we had for Divi two years ago? A lady comes up to me at this event and she says, are your kids using fluoride toothpaste? And I said, probably. And she said, you gotta stop. And I was like, okay, here we go.

[A]

Two years ago, Stratton was even born then.

[B]

But, yeah, but sell it. So, like, I was kind of like, okay, listen, you have me at, like, cloud seeding. You've got me at some other things.

[A]

You know, you got with the cloud seeding. People get really upset about that.

[B]

Why it's happening. Okay, so you have me a lot of things. You. You don't have me at fluoride at this time. I'm just like, guys, I'm not bought into this mass conspiracy. I don't believe it.

[A]

Fluoride's been in our water for years.

[B]

Right? So we have a water filtration system that I got installed in our house. Okay.

[A]

Yes. It's really interesting. It makes your water feel oily, very soft at first.

[B]

It takes a while to get used to. You have to, like, refill it with salt. But it basically filters out any of, like, the chemicals, chlorines, anything in your water by fluoride. You can. The reason I did this was I bought a. And you can get this from Amazon. You can buy a water testing kit that's five bucks, and you run it under your water and it will tell you all the substances in your water.

[A]

Okay, I'm gonna link it on Amazon.

[B]

Yep, go ahead and link it on Amazon. So what I. What I learned and what got me on. Do you remember why I started talking about fluoride the other night? Well, what was the catalyst event?

[A]

I feel like. Well, Ellie's very against fluoride.

[B]

Oh, I remember why. I saw a link on Twitter and I'm gonna read you the headline. Okay. This is from the national toxicology program from the u. S. Department of health and human services.

[A]

Can I just ask you something really fast? I'm curious your opinion on. Do you feel like if elon musk didn't own Twitter, this would even be on your feed right now?

[B]

Babe, you are opening up so many, we don't have time for yes or no.

[A]

Yes or no is all I want to know.

[B]

No, I don't think so.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

Okay. So this, this article, okay, was tweeted out by a well known doctor who's not a conspiracy theory doctor. And the title says fluoride exposure, neurodevelopment and cognition issues related to fluoride. Fluoride. Okay. It's a new study that came out and basically what, this.

[A]

What year did the study come out this year?

[B]

This came out in, I think, August.

[A]

Who did the study?

[B]

I just read that. The national toxicology program underneath the u. S. Department of health and human services. The empire.

[A]

So you're saying the empire produced this report because Elon musk owns twitter? You're able to question and learn more about the ingredients in our water.

[B]

Babe, you are trying to wrap a conspiracy in a conspiracy. Can we just focus on my conspiracy for a second and not make this about your conspiracy?

[A]

Okay, sorry.

[B]

Okay, so the gist of this study, and I'm just going to read the headline. The NTP monograph concluded that higher levels of fluoride exposure, such as drinking water containing more than 1.5 milligrams of fluoride per liter, are associated with lower IQ in children. Okay, that's. That's the headline of this. So I'm sitting here and I'm like, that's super interesting. I want to know because I had heard. I was like this lady one time two years ago, you know, came up to me and I'm like, oh, my gosh, my brush. My. So what?

[A]

Ellie's very against it. So Ellie brings these things up all the time.

[B]

Yeah, but I love her. I love her, but she's. She's. She might be more evolved than we are.

[A]

No, she definitely is. But, like, they always end up being right about those things.

[B]

So what I have learned to do is not necessarily go down chatgpt rabbit holes immediately. What I always do is I always ask the question of what other countries are doing this versus us. Because what I've learned about the u. S. System of food and of health is that we are typically less evolved than how other countries have evolved and made decisions for their health programs. Right. So I read that most european countries do not fluoride. Fluor. Fluoridate. Fluoridate their water. Instead, they often rely on fluoride in dental products like toothpaste or in some cases, salt. Flourishing. Because, you know, fluoride is in our water. It was, yeah. The government said, we're going to put it in the water.

[A]

Goie always told me, growing up, she was like, always drink from the sink because it's good for your teeth. Okay, well, I'd be like, okay, no.

[B]

Danny, this is going to blow your mind.

[A]

Go. We. She.

[B]

You can decide whether that was propaganda or not. So countries like Germany, France and Sweden have discontinued water fluoridation due to various regions, including feasibility, preference for other public health measures, and debates over safety and consent. Okay, so other countries are basically saying, hey, we did this whole thing. We followed the us's lead, now we're not. So.

[A]

Because it's kind of nice to also put it back on the people and say, hey, if you really want your fluoride, you can get it in in the ways that you want. Why do this to a whole country?

[B]

Okay, so where do you think I'm going to start this story about how fluoride ended up in our water system? You'll never guess. Let me just tell you.

[A]

Well, it's always money.

[B]

It's Always money. But here's where the story actually starts. It starts with a company called.

[A]

It's always starts with a company.

[B]

It started by a conglomerate company called. Called Alcoa.

[A]

They sound like trolls.

[B]

Alcoa is the aluminum company of America.

[A]

Aluminum.

[B]

Mm.

[A]

And Teresante. Why would an aluminum company be putting fluoride in our.

[B]

Because Danny Austin, did you know that fluoride is a byproduct waste of the process of manufacturing?

[A]

There we go. We got extra, we got trash. What are we gonna do it? We're gonna sell it and make money off of our trash and tell everybody that it's beneficial.

[B]

So in the 20th century, fluoride became an industrial byproduct of producing aluminum. Alcoa is a historic company that is one of the main manufacturers of aluminum. So what ended up happening was there became a lot of issues around the water supply in the areas where there was a lot of aluminum production from these factories happening. And so the public in the, let me see, early 20th century started saying, hey, wait a second, this stuff is damaging to us. Right? We need you guys to basically dispose of this byproduct in a better way. Okay, And I'm summarizing the story a little bit. So at the time, there was a guy named Charles Martin hall, who had started Alcoa. From what I know about him, he was a. He was a believer, great guy, chemist, you know, probably just good old boy who started the company. But towards the end, he. He died in 1914. Towards the end of his reign, there was a CEO that started named Arthur Vining Davis. Okay, so Arthur Vining Davis was kind of the pioneer of basically saying we need to find a more economic way to deal with this byproduct. So it was really expensive for these companies to deal with the outcry of this is damaging to the environment, this is damaging to public health of anyone who's around, around this plant.

[A]

I mean, not only that, like, aluminum's got problems. You know, it's. It's found in our deodorant, It. It's linked to breast cancer. Like, it's.

[B]

Fluoride waste posed significant industrial and environmental challenges for Alcoa and other companies that produce it as a byproduct. Especially during the early to mid 20th century, fluoride emissions from aluminum plants were known to be harmful to surrounding ecosystems and communities, causing crop damage, livestock illness, and potential health risk to nearby residents.

[A]

You said that was the, that was the fluoride.

[B]

That's when they discovered that this byproduct of fluoride was bad and why it was bad. Okay, so what do you think that they do? So this Arthur Vining Davis person hires this man who I've talked about on the podcast before, his name is going to blow your mind is Edward Bernays.

[A]

Wait, wait, is he the one that made the breakfast?

[B]

Edward Bernays is the founder of public relations. And what he really is famous for is he would go to these conglomerate companies like the pork manufacturers or the bacon manufacturers, and the companies would hire him and say, we need to sell more product. So the standard American breakfast of eggs and bacon was created by Edward Bernays.

[A]

Which is actually really unhealthy, which is.

[B]

Not as great for you, which as a tactic to basically get you to eat more bacon.

[A]

Right, right.

[B]

Because Edward Bernays was. So this is also going to blow your mind. He is Sigmund Freud's cousin.

[A]

Also, I could be wrong, but I think he's the guy that was like when, when Betty Crocker had these. When Betty Crocker came out with their powdered cakes. You know where moms are making cakes or baking in the kitchen, they didn't like the product because they felt like they weren't cooking. So Edward Bernays was like, just have them add an egg and it makes the woman feel like they're actually baking at home. But it didn't even really need the egg. Like, he's that genius. He like recreates like the way that consumers think about products like having bacon for breakfast. Like who? That's a horrible idea. But he was like, this is genius.

[B]

He pioneered it. It's that time of year again. The holidays are nearly upon us and with the chaos that they can bring, plus our usual busy schedules, it can be hard to make sure we are eating good quality meals. This is where good ranchers come in. Y'all know both Danny and I love a product that is 100% American made, which means it's locally sourced with no seed oils, antibiotics or hormones. So you can feel good with what you and your family are putting in your body. The best part is it comes directly to our door. And as working parents, this is a lifesaver for us. They send perfectly portioned cuts for everyday meals. We love the holiday season because we get to spend quality time with our closest family and friends over delicious meals. But as busy parents, it can definitely be stressful. This is another reason why we love good ranchers. It's great for those big family get togethers where not everyone loves the same food. Good ranchers knows the struggle for families to choose between making a ham or turkey for the holidays. Some people even make both. Well, Good Ranchers is making it easy and you'll get free Thanksgiving ham in your first delivery. I personally love it because it is perfect for those of us in our health journey since they have a huge selection including wild caught salmon. Good Ranchers allows for you to have a home cooked, healthy meal without the hassle of going to the grocery store. With Good Ranchers, I'm saving time, energy and money during the busiest season of the year. It allows us to have more time with our kids and less time in long lines. It will also be a lifesaver once baby number three arrives this winter. And right now you'll get a free Thanksgiving ham in your first delivery. Use my exclusive code Danny for a 10 pound spiral cut ham, $110 value, completely free. Good ranchers.com American meat delivered if you've heard of Ozempic or Wegovy, you've probably heard three things. They're effective, but they're expensive and they're hard to get. That's where Roe comes in. We've talked about Ozempic here on the podcast as it took the Internet by storm and proved to be really helpful for those in need. But with the heightened awareness of GLP1s and what they can do for people who are overweight, it became harder to access. That's where Robot comes in. We're huge fans in this house of getting medical care and support where you need conveniently through RO you can access prescription compounded GLP1s with the same weight loss ingredients as brand name GLP1s at a fraction of the cost. RO has compounded GLP1s in stock. Now you can get it in one to four days if you qualify and ROW members have support throughout the entire process. If eligible for medication, patients have access to their provider on demand for any questions you can see if you qualify from the comfort of your own home. This means no scheduling a doctor's appointment, no commute to the doctor's office, and no waiting rooms, which may eliminate a barrier for someone that a GOP one can help. If prescribed, your medication ships directly to your house in one to four days. Go to RO CO. Danny. The memberships start at 99 for your first month. Medication costs are separate. That's RO company. To learn more, go to RO CO Safety for black box warning and full safety information. Compounded medication is not required to and does not receive FDA review or approval.

[A]

RX only Ladies, I want to talk about something a little Bit personal. I want to talk about vaginal health. We take vitamins to help grow our nails, make our hair look pretty. But it's time we started caring about the health of our womanhood. This is why I love O Positive and how it helps improve vaginal health, PMS and menopause. There are so many factors that can impact your vaginal health. Like working out, sex, I said it. Your period and hormones in general. This is where O Positive comes in. O Positive is on a mission to deliver innovative, clarity, clinically backed fun to take products that support women from their first period to well beyond their last. There are UROs, clinically studied probiotic strains and prebiotic fibers target issues like vaginal odor, vaginal ph, vaginal flora and yeast balance at their core and support overall vaginal health. There's nothing worse than being uncomfortable because of vaginal odor, an off vaginal ph or yeast imbalance. O Positive has given women back their confidence. Plus OH Positive has something for every woman no matter what stage of life she is in. They are there to support you no matter what. Take proactive care of your vaginal health and head to oppositive.com Danny or enter Dani at checkout for 25 off your first first purchase. That's O-P-O-S-I-T-I V.com Danny for 25 off. Thank you O Positive.

[B]

So Edward Bernays was so effective at public relations that Nazi Germany, Joseph Gobbles, I think his name is Gobbles or.

[A]

Gobles, we don't know.

[B]

He was the propaganda chief for Hitler during Nazi Germany. He, Edward Bernays was so good that he tried to recruit Edward Bernays to come and lead the public relations charge behind Nazi Germany.

[A]

Oh, that just takes my stomach.

[B]

So Alcoa hires Edward Bernays to basically say we are having to deal with this really expensive byproduct which is called fluoride, okay? And we are having to dispose of it. It's very expensive. What can we do? So Edward Bernays goes to Finding Davis and he says what we need to do is we need to change the conversation around fluoride. Okay? So the Mellon Institute, which was supported and funded by Alcoa as a company host, hired a Dr. Gerald J. Cox, who was a researcher who worked with the Mellon Institute to publish findings suggesting that low fluoride levels may reduce dental cavities based on animal studies, making it one of the earliest suggestions to add fluoride to public water. Okay, so they come out with this study that says wait a second, Fluoride actually can reduce cavities. And they run this study and then they lobby this study across all the US Health and public services. Right. So they're. The next big milestone in fluoride ending up in our water is in Grand Rapids, Michigan. Grand rapids, Michigan in 1945, becomes the first city in the world to fluoridate its public water supply. As part of a controlled study led by the U.S. department of Health Services. The results showed a significant decline in tooth decay among children, which supported the public health benefits of fluoride.

[A]

So it's almost like everyone is so focused on the benefits of an ingredient, but what about the harmful things it does?

[B]

So what they proved I think in this Grand Rapids is they said, oh, less cavities. Right. But if you have lobbyists involved, you're cherry picking data.

[A]

That's what I'm saying. So less cavities, but what about more adhd, more cancer like.

[B]

But really where Edward Bernie succeeded is in 1950 he was able to effectively lobby the American American Dental association, the ADA and the American Medical association, the AMA to endorse water fluoridation, bolstering its public health reputation. And then by the 1960s, we have so many communities adding fluoride to the water supply. So Alcoa, who was dealing with the cost of this byproduct, now has found a use for it and is now integrating it into all these communities across the country. Right. In the 1970s and 80s there was a little bit of an uproar that said, hey, there's probably more public health concerns that need to happen. But there was no Twitter.

[A]

There was the information.

[B]

No one had the information when I.

[A]

Asked the question, because Elon Musk owns Twitter now.

[B]

What I'm saying is that like when you look at information in this information age and you go back and you realize how some of the most major health decisions have been made in our country, you realize how when you don't have Twitter, when you don't have the power of the masses, how do you know that there weren't people like Edward Bernays and Dr. J. Gerald Cox saying, oh, this is good for you, this is good for you. We should do this, we should do this.

[A]

You know, can I give you another example I remember of Edward Bernays?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

He also was responsible for, at the, in the 1920s.

[B]

It wasn't until, sorry, let me say this. It wasn't until 1986 that the U.S. environmental Protection Agency. 1986. So that's a whole generation of water usage. It was until 1986 that the EPA established a maximum contaminant level for fluoride in drinking water. Balancing cavity protection prevention with potential risk of overexposure. What is potential risk of overexposure? I said it was 1.5 milligrams. I think if you drink a single stanley cup.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

40 ounce quencher.

[A]

Okay. Of tap water.

[B]

Of tap water. In some cities you are already over the exposed level of fluoride that you should have for that day.

[A]

They're poisoning us. And if they're poisoning the water and.

[B]

If it's true, they're poisoning the food. Fluoride is connected to lower IQ in children. One of the best things you can do is get a Brita filter. And that is my PSA for today.

[A]

And we will also link up to the Brita filter. Yeah, every. Bernays told us to say this.

[B]

Does this not blow your mind?

[A]

No, it's, it does blow my mind.

[B]

I'm not. I presented no conspiracy.

[A]

People are going.

[B]

I presented facts.

[A]

People are. Here is the opposing, the opposing argument. People are going to say like the same thing that they said to me yesterday when I posted that there was red 40 dye in my glucose test.

[B]

What are they going to say?

[A]

They're going to say, well it's not in your water at a harmful amount.

[B]

I think that I. Listen, I.

[A]

It's water, it's like what we drink the most of.

[B]

But what I would say is that I'm not coming out with this study that the us, this is what started it all. The US Department of Health and Science or whatever it was came out with that toxicology report about fluoride. They are the ones who said 1.5 milligrams is linked to lower IQ insurance.

[A]

Yeah, you.

[B]

I, I didn't, I didn't want to go down this path. I'm, I'm using Crest. I love Crest. Yeah, it tastes good. My mouth is minty.

[A]

Nobody. Sensodyne.

[B]

Yeah, it's in there too.

[A]

Great. Oh but Lumino it doesn't. And we just started using that one.

[B]

I'm just saying it's crazy.

[A]

We just, we did just start working with them too. Which babe.

[B]

When I tell you that I asked Chat. Gbt.

[A]

Perfect timing.

[B]

When I tell you I was going down this path and I was like this is all a PR lobbying effort. And I asked if I just go, was Edward Bernays involved in this? And when Chachi PT said yes, my mind was blown.

[A]

Edward Bernays, we gotta look out for him. There's. We got to read some books on, on that guy, he also was. I know but what he did in the, in the past because it's still probably.

[B]

No, I think he was probably one of the most shady.

[A]

I mean if Hitler reached out to him.

[B]

Yeah, he was, he turned it down, but he was the one. I, I think that such good character. I think that what, what the, the public was able to be sold on in that low information age is probably absolutely insane.

[A]

So let me tell you, 1920s, he also was responsible for at the time men were like the only. It was only men smoking cigarettes. Women did not like smoking cigarettes because it made them smell bad, it made their teeth yellow, it made them stink. They just felt gross. Edward Bernays was responsible for this campaign targeting women because they really wanted women to get hooked on smoking cigarettes and basically put up like all these posters and photo shoots and campaigns of really skinny, really skinny beautiful women smoking cigarettes. So basically there's narrative. This, it became this narrative, if I smoke, I will lose weight. And so a lot of women were trying to lose weight and cause apparently smoking a cigarette, I've never, never tried one. But apparently it takes away like your appetite Tight. And so a lot of women were like, oh, if I smoke I'll be beautiful and skinny like that girl.

[B]

Wow.

[A]

So he got all these really skinny, beautiful models to be smoking and then, and the campaign like blew up. Like women started like smoking like none other because they all wanted to be skinny and beautiful.

[B]

If you study this guy, his whole business was literally working for big conglomerate companies and, and manipulating the masses to buy more products. That, that was his whole foundation of his business. And it talks a lot about how he, he would hobnob with government officials, mayors, the mayor of New York would invite him over to parties. He, he is the definition of the elite.

[A]

It's still, that is obviously still happening to this day with lobbyists and misinformation. But thank goodness it's harder where it you still like. At least we can try to challenge some of these narratives now. But like think about in the 20s, how would you have.

[B]

But the very definition. So the reason I think it's funny that like why gave my, you know, my Cliff note on conspiracy theory is like the very. I think the origination of that word was to discredit people who were trying to come up with ideas that were counter to what like the, the pr the lobbyists wanted them to believe. So it's like, oh, let me just label you a conspiracy theorist. And it's worked for a long time.

[A]

But I think oh, Jordan's Crazy because you.

[B]

Yeah, but I think what's happening now is, like, there's too much information out there to where it's like, you can't say I'm a conspiracy theory because I'm literally just presenting evidence.

[A]

You're just challenging the norm.

[B]

Right.

[A]

And that doesn't mean that you're right and they're wrong. Like, you're just trying to learn more. And.

[B]

But you can go down this. You can go. I. There still are conspiracy theories, because if you let your brain go too wild, like, you are basically like, there's lizards, people.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Which there will be people in our DMs that are like, well, hey, stop. There could be. And I'm like, hey, maybe in two years. Just like I wrote off the fluoride woman. Maybe in two years, I'm like, he's a lizard. I don't know.

[A]

So let me share with you another conspiracy theory that actually came across my Instagram that I don't know. I. I want to share it because I do feel like it affects a lot of other women out there. And I. I would say woman. Woman. Did I say right? Woman. Yeah, women. I feel like it affects a lot of other women out there. And let me just share the information, and you can take it for what it's worth, because honestly, I think that's the biggest struggle with a lot of information. Like, I have been researching pin lately, and I have had potosin for both of my labors, which Pitocin is something that they give you to speed up your. Your labor and delivery. And. But apparently, like, it has some negative side effects to it. And so. But for me, I'm just trying to figure out, like, okay, what do I do with that information? So do I not take it? Do I even. Even getting the RHOGAM shot? I've had a lot of people in my DMs that are like, no, don't get the RHOGAM shot. There's a lot of, like, negative side effects. But I'm like, I'm RH negative. If my body. If my baby has a positive blood type, my body could attack the baby. Like, I just don't know what to do with a lot of it. This one is particularly about C sections. And the. What's crazy about C sections is that they are a lot more expensive to be done. So if you have, like, a natural labor, it is 71% more expensive to have a C section done. The average cost for a C section is $51,000 compared to an uncomplicated natural birth, which is $32,000. One in three births now are C sections, which is crazy. The increase of C section Births jumped by 60% from 1996 to 2009.

[B]

Wait, that's crazy.

[A]

60%?

[B]

That's crazy.

[A]

From 2000, 2000, 2009 to 2019, it decreased from 30 to 30 to 31% of all births. But then since 2019, C sections have increased to 32% of all births in the United States, which is. Is crazy. But that rise from 1996 to 2009, it's almost like they figured something out.

[B]

Yeah, they figured out it was more profitable.

[A]

Probably not only that, but there's a lot of financial incentives and for people even working in hospitals, because it's a lot faster and a lot of times you can schedule them. So, like, think about if a mom were to have. And this is why I. I struggle with the Pitocin situation and, and everything and. And the reason affect. It affects me so much is because I have had the worst postpartums. Like, horrible. And the first time I was postpartum, I literally pushed so hard that I threw my back out and I couldn't walk, walk for the first week that my baby was here because I was like completely numb. And the way I was pushing was just so I thought that I was supposed to be pushing like as you know, from the movies, like as hard as I possibly can. I didn't even know what I was doing to my body and I threw my. My back out.

[B]

That's crazy.

[A]

Not only that, I was it. The postpartum depression was so intense for me. For three months I literally laid in bed and thought about how I, like, basically wanted to die. Like, it was so extreme. Like, it was. I've never experienced anything like this. And they say because of the epidural or the Pitocin, a lot of these things. Like, I mean, of course your hormones are dropping, but they're saying a lot of these things could be linked to postpartum depression. Who. Who knows? But I do remember when I went into labor, my doctor was going to be available at 7am so everything revolved around trying to get me ready to deliver at 7am I had already. When I got to the hospital, I was already like 90% effaced and I was 8cm dilated, y'all. I basically could have labored at home and given birth at home. Like I was so far along and I still got. And don't get me wrong, I was in so much freaking pain. I was like, give me that dang epidural. Like, I, I don't care if I'm laboring for another five minutes. I was like, give me that epidural. But the Pitocin was interesting because I was progressing, like, so fast and. But if they gave me the pitocin, I would be on schedule, therefore, I'd be in and out. Therefore they could get another mom in there, be in and out. These nurses could move on. They wouldn't have to. And I'm not. I don't know for sure if that's. No, I do know for sure. They told me, remember, they were trying to schedule it for 7:00am they were like, trying to schedule around the doctor, not around my body.

[B]

Yeah. I, I think the world runs on incentives. And it's like, it, it, it's. It maybe even isn't this, like, moral debate in their minds. And it probably, like, you lose the morality in delivering babies after you, like, or taking care of patients in a hospital system after you do it for months or years. Right. But if the incentive structure is to churn through patients and to, like, focus on the bottom line because the medical.

[A]

Which is getting a healthy baby out.

[B]

That's not the bottom line, but that's.

[A]

The bottom line that they communicate to me.

[B]

Yeah, that's what, that's what it's wrapped in. But I think the bottom line for hospitals, like, if you're a hospital administrator that's looking at the, the P. L. Of a hospital, you are saying, how can we optimize and make things more efficient?

[A]

It's a business.

[B]

It's a business. It's hard for me to believe that Pitocin isn't factored into. Okay, well, if we use Pitocin, we can get people churned out faster. We can make things happen, you know, more. We can get these many patients instead of this many patients. Like, I think you lose the Hippocratic oath in that. Right.

[A]

When you decide to be a part of it.

[B]

When you, you realize you're running a business and you have a board and stakeholders and you're a public company and you have to answer to shareholders. It's just like, how do you toe that line between making moral decisions of what is best and right for the patient when you're running a business.

[A]

Yeah. And, and I, I get it to a certain extent, but, like, I'm also now starting to question, like, are the negative side effects from the epidural and the. Which I probably will always get the epidural. Sorry. I'm like, the negative side effects are worth it for me. But the Pitocin and some of these other things, I'm like, are the negative side effects worth it? Like, is it better for me, my body to be in labor for 24 hours and to feel decent for the next 3 months than to try to have a 7am delivery so my doctor can be there? I don't know. I'm not saying that I even like know the answer to this because honestly I like, I might get Pitocin again. Like, like, I don't, I don't really know what the. But if I had solid facts that Pitocin did X, Y and Z and I knew that it was linked to my postpartum depression, I would probably like, I would opt out. I would opt out of it 100%. And to be honest, I think that's why you have so many women these days that are so on board with having home births or all natural births with no epidural and no drugs. And I've heard this, like I didn't watch Darling's delivery, but I. Ellie told me that she talked about how like her postpartum recovery was like the 10 times easier than her other two and she had a. She didn't have an epidural. And I don't know, like maybe there's something to that because she could control her body and she knew exactly how much to push and how much strain and stress to carry when I was numb completely like from the waist down and I'm going way too hard in.

[B]

The pain, you know, it says Pitocin, a synthetic form of oxygen oxytocin, often used to induce or augment labor, has been suggested in some research to potentially influence postpartum mood disorders like postpartum depression. The connect. The exact connection is not fully established, but here are a few insights. Hormonal impact, the delivery experience, I. E. You know, more intense contractions and higher rates of interventions which may contribute to stress, trauma or dissatisfaction. All risk factors for postpartum depression and then individual factors. Postpartum depression is multifactorial, influenced by biologists, psycho psychological factors and social. While Pitocin may play a role for some other factors like sleep deprivation, hormonal changes, support systems and pre existing mental concerns are significant contributors as well. So basically it's not definitively linked, but it may be one piece in a complex puzzle of factors.

[A]

Yeah, exactly.

[B]

So that's kind of like, that's kind of like what they said like when Stella had like got the, the mmr, MMR and then got cold. I do carria they were like, well, you know, I'm like, yeah, like, it wasn't that. It was like it was dormant. It might have just woken it up.

[A]

And I'm like, okay, so same thing.

[B]

What do you think? Do you think that Pitocin.

[A]

I was about to say something about. Oh, here's another interesting. I've actually never really shared this experience of giving birth to Stratton because, honestly, it was so. It wasn't traumatic, but it kind of was for, like, the 30 minutes after he was born. And I didn't want to go into it because it was so emotional. And I was like, I just don't want people asking about it. And, like. But this was another weird thing with strands delivery. So I got Pitocin both times epidural. Both times. When Stratton came out, like, he. Stratton did not cry for the first, like, two weeks of his life. He never cried. Like, when they tell you when a baby comes out, they. They. They start hitting them because they want them to cry because it shows that they're healthy. Stratton came out and was not breathing and was, like, limp, and they had to rush in all this, like, emergency. These nurses and doctors and put him on oxygen, and they're, like, slapping the crap out of him. And he just was, like, acting, like, stunned, like, so stressed and so shocked, like. And I'm like, is he. Is he breathing? And they're like, well, if he doesn't cry, like, we should be worried. And I was like, okay. So, like, even all my afterbirth pictures, I'm, like, literally just, like this, like, looking, like, just, like, waiting for the. The. The cries. I could, like, cry just thinking about it. Like, how scared I was because I was like, why. Why is he not breathing? Why is he not crying? Even when we took him home, he did not cry ever for two weeks. It was the weirdest thing. Like, babies cry. And I felt like in the moment, I was, like, something, like, really stressful happened to him when he came out. And, like, I don't know if it was. Who knows what it could be? It could be the Pitocin. It could have just been like, the. But they. They told me the whole delivery, everything was healthy. So, like, why did he come out like that? I don't know.

[B]

Are you going to. So you're. Are you going to try and avoid Pitocin this time?

[A]

Now I'm talking about this. I feel like I should.

[B]

I mean, like, that's different than the epidural.

[A]

Yeah, Ptocin is a different thing. And the epidural is also not good for you. But, like, that's kind of like one of those things where I'm like, science.

[B]

Modern science.

[A]

No, that's just one of those things where, like, I don't know how I'm supposed to.

[B]

No, that's what I'm saying. It's like, blessing in modern science.

[A]

Yeah. Like, I mean, I could try.

[B]

Oh, that's a very personal decision.

[A]

You know what really gets comment on this? I feel like I could get through the contractions. It's the ring of fire that everybody talks about.

[B]

That's not.

[A]

Yeah, that's the part that too much. That's when the body, like, it. The baby actually starts to transition out. And, like, you're literally like, hips is like your bones and hips, like, split apart so the baby can fit their head. And, like, I've. People have said it's just like, it's so much pain that you literally feel like you leave your body and you're, like, watching yourself die.

[B]

I think that we should have, like, renamed that, like, maybe like, portal. Portal from heaven.

[A]

Portal to life.

[B]

Or like.

[A]

Yeah, the ring of fire.

[B]

Yeah, the ring of fire.

[A]

So I don't know. Just that that's something that makes you go, I'm gonna get so many dms about this. Like, Danny, don't get Pitocin. Don't get the epidural. Like, all the granola moms. I love you, granola. I wish I was as strong as the granola moms. I'm getting there. I'm.

[B]

Maybe it's just our audience, but I feel like. I feel like everyone's becoming more granola.

[A]

Yeah. Because the information. And I wonder if it's because Elon Musk owns Twitter now.

[B]

I mean, microplastics were pretty screwed, guys. There's really no escaping them.

[A]

Okay, so enough with the conspiracy theories. I want to end on something fun. Jordan. I are going to give you guys homework. Homework? Who wants homework? This is actually kind of fun. Well, I mean, hopefully it's fun for you and ChatGPT.

[B]

It's only fun if you use Chat GPT because it has to get to know you.

[A]

Oh, okay. So maybe start using ChatGPT for, like, two weeks and then try this. Will you tell them about the prompt? Because, y'all, it was so accurate when it came to me and Jordan's.

[B]

Yeah. So I found this on Twitter and the prompt. So if you use ChatGPT a lot, it kind of starts storing memories about you, which I know people are gonna be like, oh, my Gosh, man. But this is a fun one. If you prompt it and you say from all of our interactions, what is one thing that you can tell me about myself that I may not already know about myself? It's really, really interesting. Do you think it nailed mine?

[A]

100.

[B]

I think it nailed yours.

[A]

Okay, you can read yours because, like, you know, it's like such a subtle flex. What it said about you.

[B]

Well, you read yours.

[A]

No, you read yours.

[B]

Okay, I'll read mine. So it said. And listen, I didn't. I didn't tell it to say this.

[A]

Okay. It said, you're so accurate about Jordan, though. It's, like, creepy.

[B]

It said, you are highly strategic and deeply intentional in nearly everything you do, from your investments in real estate and developments to your approach in raising kids and building a family oriented community. You have a strong vision for things that matter to you. But there's a theme of balance running through it all. Financial conservatism paired with bold ventures, urban proximity with family friendly serenity, and building security while embracing freedom. This level of balance suggests you are highly adaptable, but also anchored by clear values, which might explain why you're drawn to sustainable, thoughtful approaches in every aspect of your life. It might be that you're driven by a desire not just to succeed, but to create lasting value and meaning in everything you undertake. Something not everyone's. Wait. Something not everyone brings to such a wide range of goals. Thought it was so sweet. I only tell him it's so sweet.

[A]

So sweet of you. Thank you. Thank you, baby.

[B]

So sweet of you. Said thank you. I'm glad you enjoyed the reflection.

[A]

Can I tell you. Can I tell you this is so me what I did after this. I never told you this.

[B]

Well, it's so funny because it's like, I did it for you. I didn't tell you and you found it. I wasn't.

[A]

No. But I have to tell you what I did after this. You did mine.

[B]

Okay, this is probably so you.

[A]

Well, first of all, let me.

[B]

I feel like your prompts are like. Like, your prompts are like, what's in a hot Cheeto? You're like, who named a hot Cheeto? It's so true.

[A]

I did. But one of my.

[B]

What's your favorite? Chipotle.

[A]

My last one was top rated chick flicks. Um, so. But I. I need to find where you asked it because the question I had after is, why do some people hate Danny Austin?

[B]

It said it's like searching the web, searching Reddit.

[A]

It did. It told me.

[B]

Oh, it did? Yeah. Dang okay, read. Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. Read. That's hard. That's so bold.

[A]

Wealth, display, and relatability.

[B]

Well, hey, hold on. I want to hear this answer.

[A]

Transparency and controversies. Criticism of the influencer industry. Don't worry, it gives paragraphs and examples.

[B]

Okay, wait. Like, really, like examples from content?

[A]

Okay. I don't really think this is right.

[B]

I think it's probably talking about.

[A]

Some critics feel that influencers, including Danny, can come across across as overly polished. I don't really think.

[B]

I think it's being too broad or.

[A]

Not entirely transparent, especially if they promote a high volume of sponsored content. If followers feel that the content becomes too focused on sales or partnerships, they may question the authenticity. I feel like it's very generic.

[B]

I think it's probably just analyzing what do people not like about influencers?

[A]

Let's see if there's anything specific. Not really. It just has little paragraphs.

[B]

You so would do that.

[A]

Yes, I did that. I don't even know where the good part is.

[B]

Well, the. The question before what. What did the prompt say about you?

[A]

The other one I have is Burger King methane cow farts. Okay, so mine. Sad. Mine was short. From all of our interactions. From all of our interactions. What is one thing that you can tell about me, about myself, that I may not know about myself?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Was that the prompt?

[B]

Yeah, that's prompt.

[A]

From our chats, it seems like you're naturally skilled at understanding what resonates with people. You're detail oriented and insightful in a way that lets you create content that feels both authentic and engaging to your audience. It's not just about what you share, but how you tailor your message to make it feel personal and relatable. Which is unique, is a unique strength in building connections online. Does that resonate with you? I said yes.

[B]

That's good. Yeah. So y'all should do that. It's really.

[A]

Yeah, so you should do it.

[B]

You should do that one.

[A]

And then you should ask it why people don't like you and learn about yourself. And change.

[B]

And change. Anyway, that was good. That was fun time.

[A]

That was a good time. Tell us if you like these conspiracy hours or if you have any conspiracies yourself that we should dig into to. Because here's the. Another thing. We could debunk some conspiracies like, I think we landed on the moon. Jordan doesn't.

[B]

I don't not. I. I also think that's not true. Don't brand me as that. That's. That's too much.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

I mean, I'M like, it's, like, questionable maybe, but, like, I don't know. I, I, I, I, I don't feel well prepared for that statement.

[A]

Okay, well, just tell us about other ones that you guys would like for us to talk about at least, because we can just give a layman's perspective, you know?

[B]

Yeah. And even if you're, like, super, like, you know, academically prideful and you're like, oh, my gosh, conspiracies. I hate them. Mainstream media, like, just have fun with it. Like, come and have fun. Just entertain it. Like, live in this alternate reality with us. Like, yeah, just be, just be dulu. Be a little dulu. Like, just have some fun.

[A]

Yeah, yeah. Or, or not hurting anybody.

[B]

Yeah, we're not hurting anybody. We're just.

[A]

Just don't drink water anymore, man.

[B]

We were, like, raised on hose water, though.

[A]

Oh, dude. Oh, my God. It always had that metal taste to it.

[B]

Yeah, it was so good, though.

[A]

It's so good when it's hot outside.

[B]

Yeah. When you were in the er, I went outside and some guy was, like, watering the plants, and I was like.

[A]

Can I have a sip of that?

[B]

I was like, can I have a sip of that? I'm.

[A]

I'm dead. Okay, love you guys, and we'll see you guys next Thursday. Bye. Please note that this episode may contain paid endorsements and advertisements for products and services. Individuals on the show may have a direct or indirect financial interest in products or services referred to in this episode.