Christmas Party Drama, Jaclyn Hill, and Life Online Right Now

Summary

De-Influenced with Dani + Jordan

Episode: Christmas Party Drama, Jaclyn Hill, and Life Online Right Now

Date: December 11, 2025
Host/Guests: Dani & Jordan (Dear Media)

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Main Theme & Purpose

This episode is a candid, humorous exploration of marriage dynamics (centered around a Christmas party meltdown), influencer culture, current internet controversies (from Jaclyn Hill to the “trad wife vs. girl boss” debate), with personal anecdotes on the challenges of modern life online and off. Dani and Jordan use their 12 years of influencer experience to “de-influence” mainstream narratives, delivering hot takes on relatability, online criticism, personal style struggles, and influencer authenticity.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Christmas Party Meltdown: True-To-Life Marriage & Event Stress

Segment: [00:15] - [21:00]

• The episode opens with Dani and Jordan recalling in detail a dramatic pre-party argument sparked by a formal Christmas event.
• Both hosts discuss the stress of dressing for formal events while pregnant, body image issues, and the emotional labor of “prepping” for social occasions.
• The “blame game” cycles throughout: Dani is frustrated that Jordan failed to prepare his outfit in advance, while Jordan feels unsupported as Dani didn’t steam his shirt.
• The story is relayed with humor, bickering, and plenty of marriage banter, exposing both perspectives.

Notable Quotes:

• Dani: “You know what else is stressful? When a party’s been on the calendar for three months and your husband doesn’t have anything to wear five minutes before he’s supposed to leave.” [01:42]
• Jordan: “I felt really unsupported tonight because I came back from Nashville with our two big children on a school tour…” [15:00]
• Dani: “You are upset with yourself because you had nothing to wear… And now it’s my fault because I’m not one of those wives that, like, places out your outfits every single day.” [13:05]

Marriage Micro-insights:

• The emotional “trump card” of personal feelings
• Apology styles—one “angry,” one “grace-filled” [19:13]
• Instagram vs. reality in couple photos
• The invisible work and assumptions of household labor

2. Body Image, Pregnancy, and Social Pressures

Segment: [03:26] - [04:46] and [27:27] - [29:17]

• Dani opens up about pregnancy-related body changes, and how even basic things like shoes don’t fit anymore.
• Both acknowledge the stress of not “feeling good” going into social events, particularly while pregnant.
• Jordan expresses his attempts (sometimes clumsy) to support Dani emotionally.

Notable Quotes:

• Dani: “It’s not really about even, like, body image. It’s like, pregnancy… Everything changes so much that your best assets become some of the things you’re most insecure about.” [28:43]

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3. Alex Earl & Braxton Breakup / Pop Culture Commentary

Segment: [29:42] - [32:40]

• The hosts riff on the recent breakup of influencer Alex Earl and Braxton Berrios, noting their prior predictions.
• Light speculation about who Alex will date next, with a tongue-in-cheek take on celebrity power coupling.

Notable Quotes:

• Dani: “You better believe, like, you know, if your girlfriend… is on Dancing with the Stars, you’re gonna be there at every single show.” [31:00]

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4. Jaclyn Hill, Relatability, and the Cycle of Influencer Hate

Segment: [32:44] - [47:19]

• Dani discusses Jaclyn Hill’s viral video about feeling disconnected from her followers and blamed “the algorithm.”
• Listeners (and Dani) push back: the real issue is whether she’s still relatable, not tech changes.
• Jordan brings in economic context—consumers’ struggles fueling frustration at “luxury haul” content.
• They agree influencer “seasons” of hate are part of the cycle; weathering them is about endurance.
• Dani defends Jaclyn Hill, noting her humble origins.
• Both hosts argue influencers should be sensitive to “the mood” of the broader population—but that online pylons are rarely fair targets.

Notable Quotes:

• Dani: “People are like, hey girl, like, I’ve been following you for years. But, like, it’s not the algorithm. Like, we just don’t relate to you anymore.” [33:24]
• Jordan: “Influencers should realize how bad the economy really is for most people and just be more sensitive to what they’re putting out…” [35:02]
• Dani: “If you’re going to make a video about Jaclyn Hill, you better be close to perfect because you’re going to be caught up in the same thing one day…” [41:24]
• Jordan: “You can say Jaclyn Hill is unrelatable in this economy, but Pete Davidson talked about…everyone loved me, and then out of nowhere, everyone just started hating me.” [38:48]

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5. Influencer Authenticity: The “Ballerina Farm” Debate

Segment: [64:08] - [69:23]

• Dani discusses new internet drama around Ballerina Farm—critics claiming her “trad wife” routine is a performance (costume, outsourced homeschooling, managed farm, billionaire in-laws, not authentic).
• Both agree: it’s expected influencers outsource and curate. The backlash is often from misplaced expectations.
• The “relatability as strategy” and curated realities of influencer brands are dissected.

Notable Quotes:

• Dani: “We’re buying the brand, we’re not buying the product sometimes.” [68:07]
• Jordan: “It’s all about, like, relatability has become a strategy… I think the internet’s aware now. They’ve caught up.” [69:45]

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6. Trad Wife vs. Girl Boss: Internet Identity Wars

Segment: [63:34] - [76:46]

• The hosts tackle viral discourse on “trad wives” (traditional homemaker) vs. “girl bosses.”
• Observation: online, both extremes are now pitted against each other—no room for nuance or hybrid approaches.
• Dani (humorously) rejects the pressure to fully commit to either camp, choosing a hybrid model.
• Noting that people (especially women) pressure each other to fit into one camp; men, by contrast, are depicted as less invested in the debate.

Notable Quotes:

• Dani: “I want to pick and choose parts of the trad wife era and then there’s elements of the girl boss, and I think that I want to be, like, an in between.” [72:45]
• Jordan: “It’s really women eating women in this whole conversation.” [76:09]

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7. Life Online, the Algorithm, and Maintaining Sanity

Segment: [47:19] - [71:54]

• Discussion of constant algorithmic changes on social media; how content now reaches people who have no context for creators’ lives.
• The impossibility of “winning” online, whether you curate or are fully authentic.
• “Ignorance is bliss” is Jordan’s latest approach to online hate.
• The gap between digital narratives and real life is emphasized as vital for influencer mental health.

Notable Quotes:

• Jordan: “You have to just not care. You have to understand that the opinions online are totally separate from the real world opinions and be okay with that.” [71:14]

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8. Lighthearted Close: Celeb Sightings, Parenting Anecdotes & Wish List Rants

Segment: [55:02] - [77:52]

• The hosts share stories about seeing Hugh Jackman, who “has little legs” (good-natured teasing), and debate which celebs would make them starstruck.
• Dani recounts taking her daughter Stella to the Nutcracker; Stella prefers to be a runner, not a ballerina.
• Dani shares wishes for modern conveniences (tampons in all public restrooms), poking fun at granularity of “women’s issues” missed by men.
• Jordan closes with: “Well, it’s going to take a special girl boss to make something like that happen.” [77:38]

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Memorable Quotes & Moments (with Timestamps)

• “All I do is shop for you. I don’t really shop for anything for myself anymore.”
  —Dani [14:54]
• “This sounds so silly… but if you’re in a marriage, this is like war. The battleground is, you didn’t steam my shirt, and I feel unloved.”
  —Jordan [26:14]
• “Instagram versus reality. I was not happy in that picture, and I want everyone to know that.”
  —Jordan [12:56]
• “The best part of this story was—we laid in bed… and Danny rolled over and she starts crying in bed… ‘I’ve been stressed out about my dress all week.’”
  —Jordan [20:02]
• “It’s just hard to find anything that, like, you just like, and just, like, fits.”
  —Dani [04:03]
• “People are mad at you for something that you… it’s like, A—they’re mad, but they blame it on you.”
  —Dani [44:27]

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Important Timestamps

• [00:15–21:00] Christmas party drama, argument breakdown, apology process
• [32:44–41:43] Jaclyn Hill controversy and online hate
• [64:08–69:23] Ballerina Farm authenticity debate
• [72:07–76:46] Trad wife vs. girl boss and nuanced identities
• [77:38–77:56] Humorous wrap-up on “girl bosses” and family meals

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Tone & Style

Conversational, self-deprecating, and witty, with raw admissions and back-and-forth banter. The hosts oscillate between serious social commentary, pop culture takes, and playful spousal ribbing.

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For New Listeners

This episode is packed with honest talk about the messy realities of modern marriage, influencer culture, and the pressure for women to “choose a lane,” punctuated by real-life stories that resonate whether you’re an influencer, a parent, or just navigating online dynamics. The Christmas party fight thread beautifully humanizes the influencer hosts, while broader discussions invite listeners to question what’s real—and what matters—online.

Transcript

[A]

The following podcast is a Dear Media production. Hello, and welcome back to your favorite podcast, de Influenced.

[B]

How are you?

[A]

Baby is kicking.

[B]

How are you? Oh, you always ask me how I'm doing. I want to ask you first.

[A]

Oh.

I'm good. I'm just chonky.

[B]

Are you. Are you feeling bad about it?

[A]

No, it's just hard. Yeah, it's just hard. I don't know. I'm also just hungry a lot. Like, I just am never. Is this the right word? Satiated?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Yeah. I'm just never really fulfilled.

[B]

And you know what the worst thing is? Someone decides to throw a Christmas party that's formal.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And you have to get a gown for it.

[A]

I know, but I didn't really have an excuse because, like, the girl throwing it was pregnant, too. And, like, all of us are pregnant.

[B]

Yeah. Technically, all of y' all are pregnant, but maybe that's why y' all all were a little on edge at the party.

[A]

What are you trying to say?

[B]

I'm just saying, before you were a little stressed.

[A]

You were the one that was stressed. Are you kidding me?

[B]

I think you were stressed about your gown, Jordan.

[A]

Are you kidding me? You're the one that threw the fit.

[B]

Yes, but I think you, before I got home, were stressed.

[A]

Okay, yes, but for multiple days.

[B]

And I could tell Ellie on her stories, went to the mall. I. We all talked about it. It was just a stressful time because females who are pregnant don't feel good in things, and it creates stress when there's.

[A]

You know what else is stressful? Is when a party has been on the calendar for three months and your husband doesn't have anything to wear five minutes before he's supposed to leave. That's also stressful.

[B]

I know. I'm sorry.

[A]

Just saying. And you're also just trying so hard to figure out what you're going to wear. And then you call him and you're like, are you going to have something to wear? And he's like, yeah, I already know. What? I'm aware. So then you just don't worry about it. And then he gets home from the airport and he has nothing to wear.

[B]

And then he gets mad at you.

[A]

And he gets mad at me because I didn't iron their shirt that I didn't know I was supposed to iron.

[B]

Like, it was really a cluster. Yeah, it was a giant cluster.

[A]

And I don't know if you know this, but, like, I didn't have. I had tried on all these dresses, so, like, I had something to wear, but I didn't really, like, anything I had been trying on, like, nothing, like, really clicked. And 20 minutes before you got home, that Amazon package got in the mail, that red dress that I ended up wearing. And I was like, I'll just try this on, because I'm just so desperate. And so I got so lucky that I actually liked it.

[B]

So, like, when you're stressing about what you're gonna wear, like, what are some of the thoughts that go through your mind at that time? Like, the day before, you know, you're like, I'm gonna look dumb. I'm not gonna look good.

[A]

Like, no, I'm just not gonna feel good.

[B]

I'm not gonna feel good. And you might want to feel good going into the party.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Okay. And so then you're stressed because you're like, I want to feel good, and I know I'm not going to feel good. So then I just don't want to go.

[A]

Yeah. Sometimes I didn't not want to go. I never got to the point where I didn't want to go.

[B]

No, no. I know that you didn't get there. Some people do.

[A]

But, yeah, I've been there.

[B]

I've been there before, so. Because it's not like. It's not like you're walking in. You're like, I want to impress all the guys there. It's, like, about how you feel in the dress.

[A]

Yeah. But that's why I also have been shopping for this for, like, a month. I really have been, like, dresses.

[B]

That's what I'm trying to understand, because this is a. This is a big deal. Like, I'm trying to figure out, like, what. Where the stress comes from. Like, what are the thoughts? Like, what are the lies you hear in your head when you're that stressed out over what you're gonna wear?

[A]

Yeah. That I'm just like.

Like, I think you already kind of feel weird about your body, and so then you just need a dress that, you know, doesn't draw a lot of attention but doesn't, like, make you look worse than you already feel.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And then. And it's just, like, honestly, really hard to find anything that just, like, you and just, like, fits.

[B]

And then at some point, you're, like, overwhelmed because you're like, what am I going to wear? I've tried everything. Nothing's working.

[A]

Yeah, that's kind of how I got this time where I was like, I kind of gave up, and I was like, you know what? I'm just gonna do my hair and makeup and then see what I'll try everything on again and see, like, what feels like it will work. Like, a lot of them were, like, too low or, like, too short or, like, really tight or whatever. And I was like, I'll just pick something and just kind of make it work. And then that Amazon delivery came in. It was a 45 dress. You know, I ordered all these, like, 200, 300 dresses and Amazon for the win, baby.

[B]

Wow. Yeah, it worked out.

[A]

Why don't you tell people what you wore?

[B]

Well, I wore a tuxedo, so. Yeah, Danny and I, we haven't gotten into, like, a really, like a tiff like that in a while.

[A]

Yeah, that was definitely your fault.

[B]

Really? Even now you've already apologized.

[A]

Because I realize it's your feelings.

[B]

So I wish there are so many episodes that we could run back right now and splice in times where it's like, that's all it's about. It's the feelings. We talked about that all the time.

[A]

I said I'm sorry. He said, I apologized. I did.

[B]

Well, I had to go to Nashville, and then I was running late because the flight got delayed, and I had a whole plan for not on the way back.

[A]

Your flight did not get delayed on the way back.

[B]

No, yeah, it did. My original flight got delayed, but then I snuck onto another one.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

But then that. That one was. That one was behind, too. Like, I should have gotten home earlier.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

So anyway. And you wanted to get to the party, and so I literally knew I had to walk in the door.

[A]

Can I. Sorry, can I just preface and say that before this, like, Jordan made a game. Game time decision because he just wasn't going to go to the party at all. So I was planning on going with my family, and, like, I was going to coordinate with, you know, know my parents, and I'll go meet them and I'll drive with them. But then, like, day of or even the night before, you were like, no, I actually want to come. I'm going to get in on time. I'm going to land at 6. We'll leave at 6:30. And I was like, okay, great, then I won't go with my family and I'll wait for you.

[B]

But I did that because I thought it was important to you.

[A]

Okay. That's just saying that's what happened.

[B]

Okay. Okay. So. So. So that I come home and I'm wearing a. A what. What do you call the long coats that, like, the New Yorkers wear?

[A]

Like, a trench coat.

[B]

A trench coat. Nice trench coat with a polo and slacks. And I'm like, okay.

[A]

With sneakers.

[B]

With nice sneakers.

[A]

No Keds.

[B]

They're not Keds.

[A]

They're. But they look like kids.

[B]

Okay, they look like kids, but.

[A]

And I just wanted to say this is a formal party. Not semi formal. It's like a black, like, it's like a tuxedo, black tie event.

[B]

Yeah. So then in my mind I was like, okay, I know what I'm wearing. No big deal. Like, I'm gonna champion through this. Like, I'm gonna come home from Nashville, walk in the door, maybe put on a coat if Danny tells me to, and then we'll leave. And so she'll get there on time. She's not gonna be stressed. Yeah, I'm not gonna be stressed because I've already had this figured out.

[A]

So I called him at like 6 o'. Clock. Cause I knew he was supposed to get there at 6:30. And I was like, hey, do you know what you're wearing? And he was like, yeah, I already know what I'm wearing. It's gonna be easy. I just, like, I have to do one simple change, then we'll go. So I was like, great. Because I still don't know what I'm. I'm still stressed out about what I'm wearing. Whatever.

[B]

And you knew what I was wearing.

[A]

No, I didn't.

[B]

Yeah, because I FaceTimed you all day.

[A]

I didn't know what you had you were planning on changing into. No, I did not know.

[B]

Okay, okay, sorry.

[A]

No. And I seen. No, I didn't. I didn't know what pants you were wearing or sneakers. I didn't know what you had taken. I didn't know what you were going to wear. You just said, I know what I'm going to wear. I just have to do a simple change. And I was like, great. He obviously knows it's formal. You guys saw the video where he was in my office raiding my outfits. I'm. I'm. I'm dressed in sparkly gowns, like to the floor gowns. And he gets home and he's like, I didn't know it was formal. I'm like, you think I'm just wearing a sparkly gown to the floor for no reason? Like. And so then that's when the chaos ensued.

[B]

Well, so then I walk in the door and no hi, no hello, Jordan.

[A]

We literally gave a kiss, just, you.

[B]

Can'T wear sneakers to the party, Jordan.

[A]

That's such a lie. I did say, you came up and kissed me. I said, how did it go? How was your flight? And then you're like. I'm like, okay, are you ready? And, like, what are you changing into? And you're like, I'm gonna wear this smile. And I'm like, jordan, you can't wear sneakers to a formal event. Yeah, that's exactly what happened. So then I did say hi and hello. That was not true.

[B]

And so. And then I walked into the closet, and I'm like, okay, no problem.

[A]

He's like, I have a dark suit. I have a tuxedo.

[B]

And you kept saying, you about ready to go? You about ready to go? You about ready to go?

[A]

Yeah. Like, 10 minutes after you got home, like, you're about ready to go. Because you said you just needed to change, A quick change.

[B]

But I was in my underwear. I obviously wasn't ready to go.

[A]

Oh, I didn't know that. I was in the other kitchen. I said, are you about ready to go?

[B]

And then it stressed me out. And then.

[A]

But let me tell you why it stressed him out. Because he had nothing ready to wear.

[B]

Yeah. Nothing ready to wear.

[A]

Nothing. Even though I want you to know.

[B]

My white shirt was ready to wear.

[A]

About this party, like, for the entire year, okay? Ally always has her Christmas party. It has been on the calendar. He knows it's formal. He knows three weeks, two weeks in advance, that I'm ordering gowns, having you rate them. So it's five minutes before we need to leave. And Jordan's just now, like, oh, what am I gonna wear? Even though I called you and I asked you, I said, do you know what you know? So anyway, go. Keep going.

[B]

So. So my white shirt. I'm like, okay, I'll figure this out. You know? And my white shirt was wrinkly. It was very wrinkled.

[A]

No, you first couldn't find the buttons to the right shirt.

[B]

Well, I couldn't find the buttons.

[A]

And you said, danny, come here. I need you to do something for me. Find the buttons to the shirt. And I'm like, your shirt doesn't come with buttons. And he's like, they're silver buttons. Just find them. And I was like, they're okay.

[B]

They're not cufflinks. What? What are the.

[A]

I don't know, babe. I don't know anything about men's fashion. So I start looking all the drawers for these silver things. I have no idea what I'm looking for, but I'm, like, looking for something.

[B]

Yeah. And so then I have to. I have this white shirt, and it's so wrinkled. And that's what really did me in, because.

[A]

And that's my fault. So then I come in, and he's. He has the steamer, which I have, like, an industrial steamer in my office that I use for all my clothes. Jordan has this handheld from Amazon. And I'm. I come in, I go. He's. His shirt. I go, do you want me to steam that for you? Do you want me. And he goes, well, no, I have. He's like, I have nothing else to do. I'm just gonna wait for you to finish steaming it, so I might as well just steam it for myself.

[B]

And I was like, well, because I couldn't put on my jacket without the shirt. So I was like, I'll just steam it myself.

[A]

Yeah. But I offered, and I was like, that way he could do other things if he needed to. And I'll be steaming it, and I was going to take it to my office to steam it. He literally. He's like, no, I got it. I'm going to. By the way. By this point, he's kind of feisty and mean. Okay, so he's, like, spicy. He's like, no, I'll do it. And so then he, like, literally raises the steamer to steam it and explodes water all over the shirt. I mean, like, drenches the shirt, like, completely wet. Like, you have to put it in the dryer to fix it.

[B]

And that was the moment that he got meaner. No, that was. Well, that was also the moment that the narrative popped in my head that.

[A]

You don't care about that it was my fault.

[B]

It was my fault that you don't care about.

[A]

No, no, exactly. This. Now you don't care about me. It was now my fault. And that I don't care about him. Okay, so then the rest of the night, he's like, just. Or the. You know, the next 10, 15 minutes, he's scrambling, running around, trying to get this shirt, and I'm. It's kind of like he's so feisty that I'm like, I'm going to just get out of the way, you know? Like, I don't feel like I'm going to do.

[B]

You called your mother.

[A]

I.

[B]

And your brother land Jordan on speaker. And you were like, yeah, Jordan's. Jordan's still having to get ready.

[A]

I didn't say that. You're lying. See, he creates this narrative in his head. That's literally not what happened. I called my mom back because she was calling me. And Landon answers my mom's phone and goes. And I go, hey, like, are y' all getting ready to leave? And my dad's, like, on the Phone, too. He's like, yeah, we're just waiting for, like, Olivia and Landon or Olivia and Mom to come to the house. She's like.

[B]

She's like, I'm waiting on Jordan, too.

[A]

I did not say that. He's. Why is he lying?

[B]

That part of me.

[A]

He's lying about all this stuff. I didn't even say anything about you. I said, yeah, like, we're coming. I didn't say anything about Jordan. This is just all Jordan's narrative in his head now at this point. Because then we finally get dressed. He's dressed. We go to the car, and he's like, you know, I just feel.

[B]

Well, hold on. There's a really happy picture that we took.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Because I'm like, that's in your Instagram feed. But this is like, Instagram versus reality. I was not happy in that picture. And I want everyone to know that.

[A]

Yeah, we know you're not Tabby taking any picture, honestly. And so then we get in the car, and he looks at me and goes, you know, I just feel very unsupported by you. And I jawed the floor. No, no, jaw to the floor. I was like, you are upset with yourself because you had nothing to wear. You were not prepared when I called you. You had this whole vision in your head what, like, was gonna work for you. You weren't really thinking it through. And now it's my fault because I'm not one of those wives that, like, places out your outfits every single day. I know you were comparing me to, like, those girls. You said something, like, something in the car that you were like, you know, like, I've been doing this and this. And I was like, I did call and ask you, and, like, honestly, typically, you have one of every basic that you need, but here's what we're also not thinking about is the last probably six times I've gone shopping, all I shop for is Jordan. I call him and I ask him, what do you need? What do you want? What do you need? Do you need pants? Do you need jeans? Do you need coats? Do you need sweaters? I am always asking him because I do feel like his wardrobe is lacking, but I'm. I don't sometimes, like, know what it is. Like, I don't know how to, like, put my finger on it. And I, like, don't know exactly the piece that is me he's missing. So I always am like, what do you need? And he's always like, just, viori, we need more vuori. I need more socks. And I'M like, I don't think that's true. So I have been shopping for him. I got him new pairs of jeans from Todd Snyder. I got him a new coat from Suit Supply. I've been getting him new sweaters, Henley's pullovers, whatever. And I've been trying to put my finger on. I got him new shoes, new black shoes, a new black belt, and I've been trying to help him out. He gets in the car and he's like, I feel like you don't care about me.

[B]

Hold on. What I said.

[A]

What I said, all I do is shop for you. All I do is shop for you. I don't really shop for anything for myself anymore.

[B]

It's like, so marriage. What I said was, hey, listen, I'm not mad at you. I don't want to fight, but these are my feelings. And my feelings feel like I felt really unsupported tonight because I came back from Nashville with our two big children on a school tour, and I was like, oh.

[A]

And I was just sitting here, twiddling my thumbs, not taking care of a baby.

[B]

No, no, no.

[A]

Like, I wasn't doing anything.

[B]

No, no. What I realized after. We'll get to this part of the story. What I realized after is you were stressing about your dress.

[A]

I'm also taking care of our newborn all day long. It's not like I wasn't doing anything. I. I also have been preparing for this party for a month, and you had no preparation at all. Nothing. You had nothing. You had not thought ahead at all for this party whatsoever.

[B]

So.

We go to the party. It's fine. I'm in a tuxedo. I'm in a tuxedo. You're in a dress. I think before we walk in, I'm like, hey, we're early to the party.

Let's just not let this be a thing. We go to the party. Was it a thing at the party? You didn't talk to me that much.

[A]

Honestly, it was kind of like the girls did their own thing, the boys did their own thing.

[B]

Temporary.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And I came and checked on you a lot. Said, do you need a drink? You good? You need some water? That was my bid for reconciliation, but I could tell your vibe was like. You were like, yeah, give me a Diet Coke. But.

[A]

But I just felt like you were blaming me for something that you were mad at yourself for.

[B]

Can both be true, though.

[A]

Yeah, but you never, like. Like, admitted that.

[B]

No, I did. On the way there. I go, okay, fine, Danny, I'm not mad at You. I'm mad at myself. I said that, remember?

[A]

Okay, yeah, you did, actually.

[B]

I did say that. And so. And that was like, I felt like a wonderful time for me to be like, hey, I'm wrong here. And you'd be like, man, I just feel very.

[A]

I felt very unappreciative because I feel like all I, like, you know, I've been making the biggest effort to shop for you. And then you were like, literally specifically made this about, like, how you don't feel supported in your wardrobe, like, going somewhere when all I think about, I feel like these days is your clothes.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Like, that's all I think about when I go shopping, is I buy stuff for you.

[B]

See, I felt unappreciated because I was like, man, I feel like I took the kids to Nashville for this school tour and I was like, man, I felt so.

[A]

And Danny just stayed back and ate bon bons and got massages all weekend.

[B]

No, I'm not saying that. No, I'm not saying that. It's just like, you know, I knew that I was gonna have to, like, come in the door. I was gonna have, like, five minutes to turn around.

[A]

That's why I called you at 6 o' clock and said, do you know what you're wearing? Like, I was going to start helping you gather whatever you need. And you said, no, I'm good. Do we remember that part of the night?

[B]

Yeah. Yeah.

[A]

So how do you not feel supported when I literally called you on the way home and said, what do you need?

[B]

Well, because they're my feelings.

Okay, I know it's hard. It's hard because that's always the trump card. It's the trump card.

[A]

Okay, fine.

[B]

It's been the trump card for you in, like, seven episodes of this podcast, for sure.

[A]

Okay, fine. That's why I apologized. I said, I'm sorry, but I should do a better job of helping you get ready for the party. So what did I do yesterday morning? We have a wedding this weekend. So listen, I said, jordan, we have a wedding this weekend.

[B]

Hold on, hold on.

[A]

Do I need. Do we need to set up an appointment at Suit Supply? Do we need to go get anything? It's gonna be really cold. It is semi formal. Do we need a good. A dark suit? Do you have a coat that's long enough? Do we need to get the lint off of your. Your coat? You know, Mama has to work, too. But. But I can figure it out. I can try to help you.

[B]

And what did I say?

[A]

Thank you. You love me.

[B]

I Said, thank you. I feel so loved. I don't need anything from you. I got it.

[A]

Thank you.

[B]

Okay, but the one. The one kicker of the story that is probably the funniest part of this story is you did apologize, like, on the way home.

[A]

I apologized on the way there, too.

[B]

Yes, but it was.

[A]

I'm sorry. I was probably a little shocked at the fact that it was my fault. Like, it was. It was honestly shocking. I. It probably did take me, like, four hours to digest the fact that it was my fault.

[B]

Oh, okay. There's an apology from you. There's two forms of the apology. There's the apology that's like, I'm doing this, but I'm mad. It's very much how Stella apologizes to me or when she apologizes to Stratton. It's like, fine, I'm sorry. But then there's the sorry where it's like. Like soft and like Gracefield. Like, I know you're being silly, but, like, I apologize. That came a little bit after in the car ride home. But the best part of this story was we laid in bed and we're not fighting anymore.

[A]

Really.

[B]

Like, I've kind of moved on. I'm like, whatever, great party. And Danny.

Rolls over and she starts crying in bed. Do you remember this?

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

She starts crying in bed. And what did you say?

[A]

Such an a hole.

[B]

No, that's not what you cried about.

[A]

I told you that I had been stressed out about my dress all week.

[B]

Yeah. And I said, hey, babe, I totally understand. And I said, I'm sorry. I shouldn't have expected.

[A]

Why is that funny?

[B]

Huh?

[A]

Why is that funny?

[B]

It's funny because I feel like we came to a place of mutual understanding. Like, I felt unsupported because I was like, you could have thought about me all day. But what I didn't acknowledge was that you've been stressed out about this party for months, and you didn't even get your dress until 20 minutes before. Yeah, and what I said was I felt unsupported.

[A]

I literally texted you.

[B]

And uncared for, because that was the fact.

[A]

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[A]

The morning that he's flying to Nashville. Or, like, doing this thing. Hold on.

[B]

The funniest thing about this is, like, this sounds so silly to, like, anyone who's outside of this situation, but in, like, if you're in a marriage, this is like war. This is like, the battleground is like, you didn't steam my shirt, and I feel unloved. Isn't it so funny? Yeah, it's just like, lol marriage, you know?

[A]

Yeah, it's so funny. Okay, so literally, that morning I texted you, this is 8:37 drop off.

Literally, this is what I text him. 8:37. Okay, blah, blah, blah. I'm gonna go on a walk with Summit because I'm fat.

[B]

Yeah, no, I remembered that text. And then I was like, oh, literally.

[A]

That'S the first thing I text him in the morning.

[B]

No, honestly, when we were walking into the party, I did. I grabbed your arm and I go, hey, are you feeling. Are you feeling good walking into this party? And the reason I asked you that was because I remembered that text, and I was like, oh, wait. She probably all day was stressed out about not feeling good in what she was wearing. And this wasn't personal. It was just like, she probably was going through her own internal battle.

[A]

Duh. I literally told you when we were in Laguna Peach, I go, things are about to get rough. And you're like, why? And I was like, I don't feel good about myself. And you were like. I was like, I just want you to know. And you were like, okay, I'll be prepared. I was like, I just want you to know it's happening.

[B]

So, like, last night. So this was all, like, two days ago. So last night, when you were like, hey, I don't really want to talk, and I want to be left alone, were you also struggling with not feeling good about yourself?

[A]

I was trying to find a dress to wear this weekend.

[B]

That's right, because I looked at her phone and she was shopping for dresses, and I was like, oh, my gosh, are we repeating this whole process? Is this week going to be hell?

[A]

And then I was, like, looking at dresses, trying to, like, get overnight some, because I don't really like any of the ones I have here. But you can't wear red to a wedding because it's kind of rude. So I was trying to find, like, a color that was appropriate, and da, da, da, da. And he was like, let's do this together. And I go, hey, Babe, I kind of just want to be left alone because I was trying to shop.

[B]

That's so true for a dress. So.

Will other females listening to this podcast be like, oh, my gosh, I so relate?

[A]

Yeah, I think so, for sure.

[B]

Because, like, objectively, to stress out about.

[A]

What they're just, like, have really good bodies all the time.

[B]

Okay. Any pregnant woman listening to this is pregnancy, too.

[A]

It's, like, not just, like, about that. It's just, like. It's not really about even, like, body image. It's like, pregnancy. Just. Everything changes so much that, like, your best assets become, like, some of the things you're most insecure about. So, like, nothing really works anymore, you know? And things that always work just don't. And not only that, but your feet get bigger and more swollen. So, like, even my shoes, like, the shoes I wanted to wear, I couldn't wear, like, stuff like that. And so just. It's just hard.

[B]

I'm gonna steam my own shirt this weekend. Don't you worry.

[A]

I mean, I would do it for you if you just, like, know in advance, like, what are we wearing? What's the deal?

[B]

It's not the time.

[A]

Well, I did ask. So when it's five minutes before, and I don't know exactly how to help you, it can't be my fault, because I'm asking.

[B]

You're right.

[A]

Yeah. Thank you.

[B]

You're right. Okay.

[A]

Thank you.

[B]

Well, Alex, Earl, and Braxton broke up.

Probably over a steamed shirt. All right.

[A]

Which is kind of funny because she's.

[B]

Busy dancing with the stars. And he's like.

[A]

He's like, but you don't see my shirt. And she's like, well, you didn't see my Texans jersey. He's like, really? I just thought you.

[B]

What am I gonna wear to the game?

[A]

I thought you were just sitting around eating bonbons all day.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Um. Yeah. Which is funny, because on our last episode, we kind of, like, foreshadowed that. Yeah, we talked about how we talked about them breaking up on our last episode before it came out.

[B]

Man, I never remember what we talked about. Really?

[A]

Yeah. What did we say about it?

[B]

I think I said, leave him alone. You were. You were basically saying that if him and Alex ever broke up, there was no way it would, like, not be bad on him. Oh, yeah. He's screwed.

[A]

Yeah. Yeah.

[B]

He's cooked. I forgot about that.

[A]

We just.

[B]

I think I'm already seeing it.

[A]

We'll see what happens.

[B]

Everyone's like, she need to be with a quarterback, not a return punter. Like, they're already saying stuff like that, right?

[A]

I don't know. I haven't really read too much about it, but it does seem like their breakup was mutual and maybe they broke up. Like, it seems like fairly recent that they broke up. Because the thing was, he wasn't really at a lot of her Dancing with the Stars perform performances. So people started to become, like, skeptical because, like, you better believe, like, you know, if your girlfriend or whatever is on Dancing with the Stars, you're gonna be there at every single show. Unless you can't make it because of football. But it's like a simple flight, like, fly in, fly out. She flies private everywhere.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Like.

So see, that was kind of a bummer. But you know what I was saying, I think it'll be more interesting to follow her now because now we're all like, who's she gonna date? Now she's gonna go a list for sure. Let's predict who she'll date.

You like, she. Don't you think she's going a list?

[B]

She'll go a list for sure, for sure. Yeah.

[A]

You think she's gonna date another athlete or, like, a musician? Like a. Like a movie producer?

[B]

We know her publicist. She's a smart lady.

[A]

Yeah, I think she's gonna go, like, billionaire status.

[B]

Yeah, her publicist will set some, like.

[A]

I think she's gonna date someone that's, like, maybe not necessarily, like, famous, but he's, like, powerful.

Kind of like Alex Cooper and her husband. He's like. He started that big production company, and so I could see, like, I feel like Alex Earl is, like, smart enough to know, like, to know, like, oh, she doesn't need to, like, she. She's the one in this. In the spotlight. She doesn't need, like, a tick tocker to, like, make tick tocks with her. She, I think, could go, like. Like, even, like, beyond a list.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

You know, it's crazy that, like, owns the A listers.

[B]

It'll be interesting.

[A]

I know it'll be funny if she.

[B]

Just, like, dates if it's all true, though.

[A]

No, but I think it's, like, it's coming out. I think she would address it if it wasn't.

So sad.

[B]

Sad.

[A]

Have you seen all this talk with the hate that Jaclyn Hill is getting on her last tick tock?

[B]

Oh, you were showing that?

[A]

Yeah. So Jaclyn Hill made a video. You know, she's a. She's been around 14 years on the Internet, which is as long as I've been around on the Internet. So when she started this video. I was like. I was totally, like, relating to it because she was like, I've been creating content for 14 years, and the algorithm just makes it so hard to connect with my audience and to connect with you guys. I feel penalized whenever I'm not creating every single day. Like, God forbid I want to take two weeks off and, you know, and it's like, all the kind of simple.

You know, concerns or insecurities that I think, like, any content creator has. But I think what she wasn't expecting expecting was the feedback that she's gotten online where people are like, hey, girl, like, I've been following you for years. But, like, it's not the algorithm. Like, we just don't relate to you anymore. Like, we don't want to see your content. Like, we don't relate to, like, these luxury halls and all this makeup that you're selling and, you know, you organizing a whole beauty closet. And, you know, we just miss seeing relatability. And.

So, yeah, it was. And it was, like, kind of making it seem like Jacqueline, like, lives in this bubble and doesn't understand, like, what's really going on in the world and the economy and all of that. What do you think about all of that?

[B]

I don't follow her. Is she pretty flaunty?

[A]

You know, I mean, she'll do, like. Like, where she organized. Yeah, she'll be like, organize my luxury sneakers with me. Or, like, organize my sneakers with me. And it will be, like, all luxury. Like, Chanel sneakers, Dior sneakers. Like, yeah, it's definitely. It definitely feels like you're following, like, a celebrity, like a Kardashian. Sometimes when you see just all of the. Like.

You know, it's just. It's not normal. But it's also, for me, kind of fun to follow people like that because I'm like, wow, this is insane. Like, look at all the. You know, it's like. I wouldn't say aspirational, but, like.

Entertaining, you know?

[B]

But that's the problem is, like, I feel like that content probably worked for her two or three years ago when the economy did feel better. And it always just swings, like on a pendulum. Right? But then how sometimes people really want, like, the aspirational luxury. But I think that what influencers don't get is that they are consuming so much of someone's day, just, like, by virtue of scrolling and being on social media and spending eight hours a day on your phone. And so, like, if the economy is bad and, like, someone's real life is not reflecting Their digital life. They blame the influencer. And so I'm not saying it's like, bad that Jaclyn Hill's just living her life, which is her economic picture. But influencers should realize how bad I think the economy really is for most people and just be more sensitive to what they're putting out. Yeah, I, I, it's just, it's just like not tasteful.

[A]

I get it. But that's also, there's like a fine line because then you have like the Pookies of the world or you have the Becca Blooms of the world, where, like, I mean, like, Becca Bloom goes to hermes and buys 200,000. Becca Bloom, the influencer. Oh, I think I talked about when you weren't on the. She's like the most, she's like, like, kind of like the crazy rich Asians of TikTok, where she will literally sit down. You should watch her thing. Like, she feeds her dogs off of like Hermes plates. Like, she has a personal chef that will like make all of her dog's foods and treats and then she'll like plate it on her Hermes and like, she is so bougie. It's like she'll just go out on a Tuesday, but come shopping with me and she'll go spend like 200 grand at Hermes.

[B]

But here's the question is, did she start on TikTok?

[A]

Uh huh.

[B]

Okay. So, so Pookie and this person who I don't know, they built their brand being like, this is who I am. I feel like Jaclyn Hill, it's like, it's like you and these people who feel like they started with the person, it's really hard when that person gets to a place that they don't relate to.

[A]

I disagree. I think what happened is people that follow Jaclyn Hill from day one, we see her now and we're like, wow. I mean, that girl worked really hard for what she has. I think it's the new followers that don't know that she was on food stamps at one point. And like, she, she was like filming in like, her bedroom and whatever.

[B]

Like, oh, was she on food stamps?

[A]

Yeah. I mean, Jaclyn Hill started working at Mac like she was a hustler. Like, she did not come from like some rich family. And like, and because I know the 20, like she started, you know, 14 years ago and because I know the early YouTube days, like, that girl hustled so much and it took a toll on her mental health at some point because, because it just always does. If you've Been hustling that hard, so I have, like, some respect for, like, I have respect for her in the game, and I'm like, when I see all of her sneakers and I see all this stuff, like, she worked her way up to that, and I know what she started from. And I think it's like the new people coming in being like, wow, we don't relate to this because they didn't know where she came. They don't know her full story, you know? And so now it's like, you know, it's kind of like the same thing as, like, these professional athletes. Like, they sometimes, like, have nothing growing up, but now they just, like, have all these mega mansions, and nobody sees the. Like, before, you know?

[B]

Yeah. I think it was like Pete Davidson talking about this on Theo Von. And at the same time, like, you can say Jaclyn Hill is unrelatable in this economy, but Pete Davidson talked about how he's like, man, I was on such a hot streak where everyone loved me, and then out of nowhere, everyone just started hating me.

[A]

And.

[B]

And I feel like we've been through seasons like that, too, where for no reason, it just feels like in a season, we get a lot of hate. And I feel like there's probably a side of this where it's just her time. It's just her time.

[A]

I know. It's like you kind of go through.

[B]

These cycles, and if you can weather the cycles and not quit, like, for reasons outside of your control, people are just like, you know what? Danny's all right. And then they're like, you know what? Danny sucks. I hate her.

[A]

She's not going anywhere. It's. She's just. She's on that part of the cycle. But here's the one thing I will say is I think this is why it's so important. Oh, careful. I think this is why it's so important to have friends that are in, like. Let's just say that you're a content creator, friends that are influencer, content creators and friends that are not. And I think everything she said in her video was very, extremely valid. Like, I. I think that, like, she's like, yeah, I'm having a hard time connecting with my audience. I'm having. And that would have been a great conversation for her to have with those people.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And then those people would be like. Like other influencers to be like, yeah, like, you know, and then maybe say, well, maybe this is why it's happening, or why this is why it's happening. And then they could have kind of figured it out together. And, like, you know, if she has the right people in her life, they could kind of speak into her life and be like, hey, well, maybe people want to see more of, like, you know, you're just like your everyday. More like not everything so perfect perfect, blah, blah. And then. But then also it's helpful to have friends that are, like, not on the Internet at all to be like, hey, Danny, like, because to be like, hey, Danny, like, stop. Like, this is not that big of a deal. Like, you're feeling insecure about your views and like, there's bigger things going on in the world. Like, you almost need people to sometimes, like, call you out and. But, like, the one thing is that I have a hot take on is, like, all these people making videos about how on, you know, how Jaclyn Hill is so not in touch. It's like, I don't care where you came from. We all lose sight sometimes of what's important. Whether it's like, we forget that family matters or we forget that, you know, actually what makes us happy is serving other people and not, like, shopping and. But I don't care who you are. Like, we all struggle with something like that. And so, like, if you're going to make a video about Jaclyn Hill, you better be close to perfect because you're. You're going to be caught up in the same thing one day, you know? And so it's just so icky to me seeing all these people being, like, calling out Jaclyn Hill because she's so unrelatable. And I'm like, girl, there's something that you are struggling with too. And, like, can you imagine if everybody started making videos about, like, what you struggle with? Like, you're not perfect either. And it's like, what. Who do you think that you are that you can make a video, like, literally attacking another person for something? It just. It icks me out.

[B]

You know what? Jaclyn Hill's gonna. The target's gonna come off her because it's gonna be on you.

[A]

Let me tell you, Jaclyn Hill, like, literally grew up on food stamps and, like, worked her ass off and now is, like, doing great. And now it's like, instead of being like, wow, that girl did it. It's like, let's attack her because I don't relate to her. It's just. I'm sorry. It just doesn't make any sense to me. It doesn't make any sense to me.

[B]

The only.

[A]

It never will.

[B]

I feel like the counter argument that I have just to try and see both sides here is. I genuinely do think that a lot of people in this economy are struggling to a degree where they're like, hey, I'm still working hard. Like, my life is literally not working. And it's because inflation has, like, increased over the past five years and their wages probably have not kept up. And so I understand the anger, but I think that Jaclyn Hill's the wrong target. Like, they're. They're putting Jaclyn Hill or anyone that is perpetuating the frustration that they have over their daily lives, which, again, I'm. I think it's fair for all of us to acknowledge, like.

[A]

No, it is.

[B]

Things are really, like, things are really effed up right now. And I. Housing is unaffordable, groceries are expensive, and like, you could be. Have done everything right, went to college, gotten a job, like, had 2 to 3% pay bumps over the past, you know, three to five years. And genuinely, you will feel like you have a harder life now than you did before. No, I like, the new baseline for poverty is, like, way above six figures.

[A]

Yeah, that's.

[B]

And that's crazy. Like, when we first started our business, we were able to pay people, you know, entry level back then was like 50, 60k. If you pay someone 50 to 60k now, like, you are. You're screwed. But to be fair, it's like, I think people look at entrepreneurs like Jaclyn Hill or maybe even us, and say, hey, like, I am so mad that you're gaining the richest from that. But I would say even it's hard for businesses because the expectation for businesses is like, inflation has increased so much that to get good talent, we have to pay more than our budgets would even afford to. So it's a. It's a broken system. But I don't think. I don't think Jaclyn Hill's gonna solve.

[A]

I really like what you said because I'm more so. Coming from like, the defending Jaclyn Hill, and you're more so. Coming from the, like, I'm just trying.

[B]

To understand how these people feel.

[A]

Well, let's make sense of the world and the economy and like, which I. I do. I totally agree with everything you're saying. I just. I think that you're also right that it's. It's the wrong target. And that's where I get defensive for Jaclyn.

[B]

Yeah. Because you've been in the crossfires of things that, like, people are mad at you for, like, something that you. It's like A, they're mad about some.

[A]

Something, but they blame it on you.

[B]

And they blame it on you. But I think that that's what it's part of the game of influencing is like, being like, sober minded enough and like, attached to the outside world and reality enough to know that if you, if you post luxury goods, when people are feeling this in the economy, like, you're kind of setting yourself up. It's like the entirety of 2020, 2021. We had to learn the skill set of what to post, what not to post. We had to be very good at proactively.

[A]

But not about the economy. It was just about.

[B]

No, at the time, the economy was great. It was just race and a lot of things.

[A]

Yeah. I don't know.

[B]

It was everything. It was everything.

[A]

It's just really hard, though, because, like.

[B]

You didn't wear a mask at the.

[A]

Grocery store, but then it's really hard because then people are like, but be yourself and just like, you know.

[B]

Yeah. I mean, it's so.

[A]

It's like.

[B]

Yeah. But I think that, like, the reason I don't feel bad for influencers is because I feel like it's kind of like the world's smallest violin.

[A]

No, I agree. I don't feel bad for influencers ever. And I, I think my number one rule is like, don't complain.

[B]

Yeah, it is your one.

[A]

Like, don't complain. Like, really, just don't complain online at all. No matter really who you are or what you do. Because it's like, I feel like everyone is always going to have something else to be. Like, well, at least you don't do this or you don't, you know, so it's like, not really worth it. And nothing really gets fixed by doing do I just like complaining online. But.

Yeah, okay.

[B]

Poor Jacqueline. I mean, I mean, we feel bad for her, right?

I would never want to be a target of talking heads. I'm just gonna say it. Like, that's like. That's my greatest fear in life is like, one person goes viral over a talking head video, and then the algorithm then incentivizes more talking head videos. And then by the time you open up your app, you're like, oh, no, this has taken on a mind of its own.

[A]

I've. I've.

[B]

And these people are making thousands of dollars off of these talking head videos because I'm now the algorithm.

[A]

I've become the algorithm maybe once or twice. And it's not fun.

[B]

No, it's horrible. Like, that's a horrible place to be. Like Avery Woods. And like all these people who become the algorithm. Oh, my God, Cecily Bachman, Dude. I'm just like, I don't. I know that they can just shut down their phone and go into Nashville or wherever they live and like, no one cares. But it convinces you that the world, the world hates you. It's the craziest thing I know.

[A]

It's hard. It's hard to move on from. It's hard to be like, just keep posting and act like it's your every day.

[B]

My. My newest strategy is just like, ignorance is bliss. Like, I know nothing good. I know nothing bad. And I'm just like. It's like I could walk into a party and the Internet would just be dog piling on me. And I'd be like, hey, guys. Like, I would have no idea. It's when people come up to you in real life.

[A]

Oh, that always is.

[B]

And they're like, hey, man, you okay? That's when you know something's going down.

[A]

Like, someone. Someone texts you and they're like, hey, just praying for you.

[B]

Gosh, it's the worst.

[A]

And you're like, I don't know what's going on. Is it bad?

[B]

And then you have to like, catch up and then that's a PTSD I'll never want to revisit.

[A]

It's probably going to happen at some point with us. It's probably after this video. Honestly, no.

[B]

I think I, like, was the voice of reason enough to. Yeah, you, for people.

[A]

You can cut out my rages.

[B]

No, no, no. Keep them in. Keep authentic. You're pregnant. I mean, people know you're saying some crazy things.

You know that people know that.

[A]

I think it's just non pregnant.

[B]

Danny would have for sure ironed that shirt.

[A]

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[B]

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[A]

What?

[B]

We went to California for a board meeting. Hugh Jackman walks by me in the hotel.

[A]

Yeah. You said he had little legs.

[B]

Yeah, he has little legs.

[A]

He's literally talking.

[B]

Well, the rumor.

[A]

Significantly little.

[B]

The rumor was always that because, you know, he was in Wolverine and he's like jacked. Like super jacked. The memes were always that he like was super upper body jacked but had really small legs. Like skipped leg day.

[A]

Uhhuh.

[B]

So true.

[A]

Really, like, okay, let me see. Jackman legs.

[B]

Yeah. Google it. It's so funny.

[A]

A poor guy, he probably tries and he just like has naturally legs.

[B]

I actually think the theory was that it's actually not that little in Wolverine. Wolverine doesn't really.

[A]

He has great legs.

[B]

Let me see.

[A]

Like I. This, that almost out of 10. I mean.

They'Re not that little.

[B]

Babe. Those are.

[A]

I mean, babe, your legs look like that.

[B]

But I'm not as, I'm not as jacked as he is.

[A]

Yeah, it's more proportional.

[B]

It's more proportional.

[A]

No, he, I.

[B]

But yeah, I mean he just walked by. I waved.

[A]

Yeah, look.

[B]

Yeah, See, I mean that, that's. Yeah, that's how he looked.

[A]

Did he have a. Like an escort?

[B]

Yeah. In the hotel?

[A]

What kind of just like one.

[B]

Yeah, just one. Just like, just a guy walking with him.

[A]

Like the guy that worked.

[B]

Which honestly, it's kind of a giveaway because if he would have not walked.

[A]

That's what I'm saying.

[B]

Escort. I'd have been like.

[A]

You wouldn't have.

[B]

I Would have never known. I'd have been like, is that Hugh Jackman?

[A]

Why do you think he needed.

[B]

I didn't really care though. That was. The funny thing is like, I just. Just don't get affected by that anymore.

[A]

Really.

[B]

There's probably a couple people I would see that I would like, freak out about.

[A]

Who?

Pitbull?

[B]

Yeah, Pitbull.

Actually, I don't know. I don't know who I would get.

[A]

Joe Rogan.

[B]

I was going to say him, but I think.

[A]

Yeah, you wouldn't be like fan girly, like, let me go get a picture. But you'd be like, that's Joe Rogan.

[B]

Yeah, I'd be like, excited.

[A]

Who's that wrestler you saw one time at the UT football game? You got really excited about that one.

[B]

Well, that's because he was just right there. It was the Undertaker.

[A]

Yeah. I didn't know that was.

[B]

It's just like, I just said that to the guys because we all grew up.

[A]

Maybe. You didn't say that to the guys. You all sprinted over there for a photo. I've never seen that fast.

[B]

That's what I'm saying. Because it's just such a funny picture. Yeah. I wasn't like fanboying. I was just like, of course we have to get a picture with the Undertaker.

[A]

I didn't.

[B]

So funny.

[A]

Let me see. I think the other person you would freak out about is.

I think if you saw John Mayer in person, you'd be like, that's cool.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Yeah, you would. He's really tall.

[B]

No, I don't care. I feel like I'd freak out if I saw Ivanka Trump.

[A]

Yeah. You've always, like, really thought she was cool.

[B]

Yeah. I listened to this, like, long form Lex Friedman podcast with her and I had no idea what to expect. And she, like, surfs and like, cool girl. She's so cool. Like, and she's very smart and like, pretty business savvy.

[A]

She used to have some great shoes at Nordstrom.

Some of the best, if I say so myself. Almost as good as Jessica Simpson's shoes.

[B]

Who would you freak out if you saw.

Beyond the obvious? Like Taylor Swift.

[A]

Yeah. Yeah. Like, I don't even want to see her. Her. You know, it's like.

[B]

Yeah, too much.

[A]

It's too much for one person to handle.

I would freak out if I saw oh, Theo on for sure.

[B]

Oh, yeah.

[A]

But I had to be careful because I'm. If I moved to Nashville, like, there's a possibility we could become friends.

[B]

That's true.

[A]

You know, I'm probably not like good friends, but like, hey, Theo. Yeah, so, like, I can't be too. But yeah, definitely Theo Von. He just did this interview with.

Leanne Morgan.

[B]

Is she a comedian?

[A]

Oh, it's so funny. Oh, my gosh. You get these, like, two super Southern people talking. They start speaking a different language. They're so funny. This is. And their interview is not about anything.

[B]

When do you listen to these podcasts?

[A]

When I do my makeup or shower.

[B]

Oh, that's right.

[A]

I always like to double task with my podcasts.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Like, I've never just listened to a podcast.

And I usually only get to listen to, like, 30 minutes of it because that's all it takes me to get ready.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

But, yeah, it was a good one. You gotta listen to that one. Yesterday I took Stella to see the Nutcracker.

[B]

She lost.

[A]

It was hard. The second I was like, still, like, we're leaving at halftime. Okay. Oh, yeah, I. Intermission or whatever, I was like, sorry. I was never a ballerina. I never made the Nutcracker. I did audition for it. Didn't make it. So, yeah, I told her, we'll leave at half, and that was the plan. And I went with a bunch of my girlfriends who everybody was thinking about canceling because we had Allie's party the night before and everybody was tired. So I was like, oh, I'll take Stella instead. My friends all ended up going, and at halftime, she still wanted to stay, so we got a snack and we went back inside five minutes into, like, the halftime. The half. What? She's like, I want to leave. And we're, like, stuck in the middle. Like, you cannot get out of these seats. And I was like, stella, you made a commitment. Like, we have to stay now. And so that last hour was pretty rough. Like, she was like, you know, everybody's. It's a ballet. You have to be really quiet. And she's, like, trying to talk to me the whole time. She's trying to get on my phone. She's trying. Like, it was kind of hard. But the funniest part about it is, so the. The theater that, through that, you know, had the Nutcracker is actually the. The studio that. Sorry, not the theater, but the studio is where Stella takes dance lessons. And Stella hates tap. Like, she hates it. But I'm always like, you committed. Like, you can't quit. And so I thought taking her to the. The ballet, she would get really excited and get to see, like, all these girls in costumes. Because, like, I remember when I saw the Nutcracker and I was Like, I'm gonna be a ballerina when I grow up. Like, I was set. Like, that was the coolest thing in the world to me. So after we left, I was like, stella, wasn't that amazing? Like, all the costumes are so beautiful. Like, you know, and the music was so good. And I was like, which was your favorite part? And she's like, I liked the. The mice and I liked the Nutcracker and blah, blah. And I'm like, so do you want to be a ballerina now and you grow up? And she goes, no, absolutely not. She was like, no. I was like, but here's the thing. I've decided I'm going to keep her in dance until, like, as far as I can, I can get her. Because it's so good for their coordination.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Like, it's really good for, like, connecting, like, the brain to your body and being able to, like, control your body. It's so good for sports. And so I'm going to keep in it. It's also really good for, like, memorization, like, with using your body.

Yeah. So. So sorry.

[B]

Just. No.

[A]

She was like, no, I. I don't know one other little girl there that, like, doesn't want to be a ballerina. And so I was like, absolutely not. She told me, and I said, what do you want to do? And she was like, I want to be a runner and play tennis. And I was like, you're so badass.

[B]

You're like, I love you.

[A]

I love you.

[B]

Okay, can we just talk about one more thing?

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Before we get into the episode. The show.

[A]

It's like an hour.

[B]

The show. It's not her fault I'm out on it. I know a lot of people like it.

[A]

I liked it.

[B]

I didn't like it. I thought the whole thing was a total stretch. I quit midway through. I made Danny watch it and tell.

[A]

Me I really liked it, even though.

[B]

It was a stretch. You admitted it was a stretch.

[A]

Yeah, but I still really liked it. It kept me. I didn't know the ending until the very end.

[B]

So you like it because it got you.

[A]

It got me.

[B]

Okay. It got you, though, because you didn't have all the information.

[A]

Yeah. That's how the shows are. Always are. It's like.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

You know, but it was good.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

I Recommend Landman Season 2. 2 Pretty good.

[B]

Phenomenal.

[A]

You know, apparently Glenn Powell and that hot blonde girl from it, Cassie Randolph. I think that's her name. Something Randolph. Apparently they're, like, going on dates.

[B]

Good for him.

[A]

They're two very beautiful people.

[B]

Good for him.

[A]

Kind of crazy. All right, moving on. Things that make you go, hmm, trad wife, verse, girl, boss. Lately, we've been noticing that women's lifestyles online are getting pushed into two extreme categories. Everything feels like it's being framed as either ultra traditional at home or fully career driven with no space, space in between. TikTok keeps amplifying hyper traditional stay at home content right alongside boss girl hustle culture. And instead of just existing side by side, these two lifestyles are now constantly being compared and debated.

[B]

I don't think it's people's life choices that are getting into.

[A]

Sorry, before we go on to this like this. Well, this. It's relevant to this topic, but have you been seeing that some girl named Beau Grant Rant is coming out of the woodwork saying that Ballerina Farm is like a hoax and that, like, she makes her family put on all of those, like, outfits, like, as a costume, but then, like, you'll catch her, like, going into Park City for, like, dinner wearing, like, jeans, boots, and a black, like, Chanel bag. And they're saying, like, it's all like a show. Like, it's her. It's like her brand. I was like, yeah, I feel like we kind of knew that.

[B]

Yeah, I think everyone knew that. No.

[A]

Yeah, but they're.

[B]

They're making she live on the farm.

[A]

No, apparently there's people that work for Ballerina Farm that are like, coming out saying that. It's like, this is kind of stupid because it was like, it's not really a family run farm. They have, like, tons of employees that run everything. They don't really homeschool their kids. They have, like, this whole team that comes in and teachers, their kids. And I was like, yeah, I always thought that. I never really thought that she was doing it all. Like, we all know that's, like, not possible. She has seven children.

[B]

Yeah. Like, what did you think?

[A]

I know. That's. That's kind of like what I was like. Yeah, I assumed that she hired people to homeschool her kids. I assumed that she has a whole team running her social media. I assumed that she has a whole team running her farm. Like, you really think that? But I think people thought that she was doing it all, which I could see how people, like, there, but I never thought that. But, like, even if she is doing where she's hiring people to do, like, that's still really hard too.

[B]

Yeah. I mean, this is where I feel.

[A]

Like the craziest part would be if she actually isn't cooking.

[B]

Yeah. Like, they're like, okay, we're going to now film you churning butter. And then she like just shows up for the shot.

[A]

But I don't think that part's. I think she actually is cooking. So like, to me, I'm like, okay, yeah.

[B]

I mean, doesn't she, she cooks enough in her videos where you like see the whole process, right? Yeah, but it'd be harder to fake it. It's honestly more impressive that she is faking it.

[A]

And then they like come and step in and just let me look at.

[B]

This, let me look at this.

[A]

No, it's kind of crazy, but like, so they're trying to catch her in a lie or they're trying to catch her like scamming.

[B]

It's like her time in the summer.

[A]

She already had her time.

[B]

I know, but they, you know, it's.

[A]

Like back and forth. Yeah, because I guess it came out like who she's married to.

[B]

Well, yeah, that's been out though, right?

[A]

Yeah. And, and then it came out like all of his. So she's married to.

[B]

Oh, she stopped posting.

[A]

I don't know. She's married to like the heir of JetBlue, like the airline and so billionaire family and so. But then they like live on this farm and they like look like they live in like a three bedroom or three room house. And then they started showing like all.

[B]

Of like, for example, she on this, she's, she's like kneading bread, right? Is that what that's called?

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

If those weren't her hands, that's, that's messed up.

[A]

No, I, I, but she went to culinary school and she's like, those look like her hands.

Her hands.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

But anyway. But I guess it came out like, all of you know, her husband's dad owns JetBlue and like all of his houses that they spend like the holidays at and they vacation to came out and they're like very modern mansions. So they're like, this doesn't add up with her.

[B]

But I'm like, I don't understand. But they, they left that to live on a farm. Yeah, we're majoring in the minors here. Like the girl lives on a farm.

[A]

Yeah, it's like not.

[B]

She created her own protein. I drink it.

[A]

Yeah. Like, I know she's not bagging up the protein herself.

[B]

And yes, she goes to, she has city for dinner. Who does it.

[A]

You know what this started? This all started because she was selling a cutting board for like $260 on her website. And apparently like the quality. I don't even cook enough to know any of this. But apparently the quality of the wood was like, a very cheap wood. And people are like, this is outrageous for her to be selling this, a piece of wood for $260. But the wood was scalloped. So I was like, guys, I don't. Sometimes I don't think, like, we're buying the brand, we're not buying the product sometimes. You know what I mean?

[B]

Yeah, a bunch of haters.

[A]

It's just, like, so stupid. But. So anyway, that reminded me of that. But. But that's a good example. It's like everybody's. Or like, she's like a homesteader, so everyone's like, she has to be. She has to be homesteading, whatever. To the extreme. Like, she. If she's turning on butter, she better be in there teaching her own children. She better be in there making her own dresses, sewing everything. Like, you know, But I think it's just her brand, so I think she is smart and she plays into it, you know, and maybe she probably doesn't show herself in a Chanel boot and, you know, sneakers or wearing jeans, going into town and eating at a very modern, like, restaurant. It's not her brand. Well, I don't think that means that she's like, a scam. I just don't think she shows that.

[B]

Well, she just, like, knows her audience and she's like, yeah, my audience won't like this content.

[A]

That's not her brand.

[B]

It's not her brand. It's kind of like how the mommy bloggers used to, like, you know, film themselves in Walmart and then show up and. Yeah, you know, show up with the.

[A]

Totally.

[B]

The nice bags 100.

[A]

So anyway, yeah. Why do you.

[B]

It's all about, like, relatability has become a strategy. Totally, like, relatable. And I think that the Internet's aware now.

[A]

Totally.

[B]

They've caught up.

[A]

So, like, how do you combat that? Because, like, it just. It seems like if it seems like you can't just be yourself.

[B]

Well, Jacqueline tried. We saw what happened to her. But then you can't fake relatabilities. So.

[A]

So just. Just be a better person. Honestly, you just be. Just be good or.

[B]

I honestly think the answer is you can't win. I also think the. The way that the algorithm has changed. Like, you know, your videographer was here today, and she was talking about how on Instagram, she can't stand the new algorithm because she's not even following people that she follows. It's just like TikTok, where it's like random people. So, like, I feel like the way that social media has become is like, you can't win because your content's actually being fed to people who have no idea who you are anyway. And so it becomes like this just opinion factory. It's like, oh, I like her. Oh, I don't like him. Oh, this makes me like. And they're like literally commenting their subconscious thoughts in real time through either an anonymous account or an account with a picture of their dog.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And then you guys as content creators are like reacting to that and then it's just like nothing is.

It's just like you can't win.

[A]

Yeah. I feel like my strategy these days is like, just don't overthink it.

[B]

Just don't overthink it. And you have to just not care. You have to understand that the opinions online are totally separate from, like the real world opinions and be okay with that.

[A]

But then it's like you're saying, don't care. But then you're also saying, be self aware and be aware of what's going on in the world.

[B]

Yeah, if, if.

[A]

So that's just like, if you can't take it.

[B]

If you can't take it. But, like, honestly, like, Jaclyn Hill's probably going to be super relevant after this. It got her back into the zeitgeist.

[A]

Even if it's the hate video she did, she like used like a drugstore product on her eyebrows and everybody was like, this is what we want.

[B]

Yeah. There's also the side.

[A]

She's always done stuff like that. That's just my thing. It's like they're just narrowing in on this narrative they want about her, but she's always in stuff like that. There's also not to like, defend her again, but.

Just so silly, this whole.

[B]

Is there a conversation happening right now? Trad wife versus girl boss. I thought girl boss was dead.

[A]

Well, no, I think it's like the girl boss is kind of like the girl that makes fun of you if you have a boyfriend.

[B]

Oh, that's the girl.

[A]

You know, it's like that kind of era.

The cynic, the contrarian.

[B]

The contrarian.

[A]

But maybe, I don't know, the homestead.

[B]

The trad wife had a very short window. It feels like I feel like that was just coming into vogue. Is it out?

[A]

No.

[B]

Oh, it's still here.

[A]

I think it's like, yeah, I, I, you know, there's like, elements of it. Like I want to pick and choose parts of the trad wife era and Then there's elements of the girl boss, and I think that I want to be, like, an in between. I never was, like, tried yfo. I never fell for that.

[B]

I never fell for that.

[A]

I never fell for that one. When people started making their own sourdough, I can proudly raise my hand and say, I never did it. Okay, I thought about it. I thought about it because it was trending so hard, and everybody started making it, and I was like, danny, you should do this. Just because people like it online and all that. I said, no, you know what? It's not true to who I am.

[B]

Yeah, no, that's okay.

[A]

And then. Okay, this is another example. Janelle posted a TikTok of her and Devin, like, just talking. And, like, she was like. It was like a. Like, a very natural, organic video of, like, her being upset because she was like, I. She was like, I clean up after you. I pick up your shoes. I do this, I do that. You can't turn off this, like, one light, like, and then they panned to the light, whatever. And I guess it got this conversation started. And so then Janelle made a response video and was like. Because, like, somebody said in the comments, like, devin does everything. Like, he changes the diapers. Like, he does. He does, like, the cooking. He does the cleaning. And all Janelle does is, like, take pictures and go and get her nails done and her hair done every day. And Janelle made a response video, and she was like, yeah, sorry. My husband's amazing. Like, he does do all those things. And, yeah, I do get my nails and hair done. Sorry. But, like, I do cook and I do clean, too. Like, I'm OCD about my house, but, yeah, sorry. Like, my husband isn't a loser. Like, you know, and I just thought it was such a good response and good for her. Yeah. And then I was gonna comment on.

[B]

It, but then I was like, they both are pretty ocd, just so you know. It's like.

[A]

It's like the funniest thing.

[B]

They're both, like.

[A]

They both are.

[B]

We don't bring our children to their house.

[A]

No, I don't even bring myself to their house. Sometimes I'm, like, scared because they're both so clean and, like, no shoes, house. They don't wear shoes.

[B]

It's okay. No, I'm saying it's great.

[A]

No, babe, a lot of people don't wear shoes.

[B]

No, no, I know, but I'm just. I'm almost vouching for both of them. They're both ocd.

[A]

Yeah. And also, like, the cooking Thing I was like, I don't cook, but. And I probably never will. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'll probably have like three dishes that I can make for emergency.

[B]

The quesadillas, the Hawaiian roll sandwiches.

[A]

Yes, those are always good. I can do like a pasta.

[B]

She's done pasta before.

[A]

Any type of pasta. I can grill a chicken.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I make eggs. Burritos.

[B]

Burritos.

[A]

Yeah. It's not like I can't cook. I just don't want to and I think that's okay. So I was going to comment on her video, like something and then I was like, you know what? I don't really want all the haters right now. So. Yeah, I think both sides are being romanticized. I think.

[B]

Wait, sorry, sorry. Why did you bring up the general story?

[A]

Because I think it's also like a good example of like people wanting someone to be completely one way or the other. And she was like, well, it's all.

[B]

Women wanting women to be one way or the other. Like, yeah, guys don't really care for the most part. Like some guys are like, yeah, I want a trad wife, girl, boss. Like I think we can live with either. It's really women eating women.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

In this whole conversation.

[A]

Yeah, totally.

[B]

Women have had some hard identity crises over history. Yeah, it's tough.

[A]

I just want them to put tampons in all bathrooms. Like that's really all I want. Yeah, it'd be super helpful. It's really stressful when you like forget one.

[B]

That's such a good thing.

[A]

It's so stressful. Like and you always like do forget and then it's like, it's traumatizing really.

[B]

In whose bathrooms? Just all bathrooms.

[A]

I think all b, like public bathrooms should have. Sometimes you can buy them for like 25 cents. But like we don't really have like coins anymore.

[B]

Yeah, true.

[A]

And so, but it's. It's very rare that you can find. And if you do get them, they're like the wooden ones that are just o. Oh, it's not fun. They're like wood. They're cardboard.

[B]

Oh, that's horrible.

[A]

Yeah, they're cardboard cuz they're cheap.

[B]

What dumb ass man made that product?

[A]

Yeah, seriously. But yeah, they. If they just had that like a vending machine and all bathrooms for that and then like diapers, I think that I'd be just happier and I think if there were more parking spots for like children with young kid. I mean, sorry. For like moms with young kids or pregnant moms with kids. Specifically. Yeah, I think I would be a little bit happier, too. That's about it.

[B]

Well, it's going to take a special girl boss to make something like that happen.

[A]

But we can't girl boss. We have to be in the kitchen.

[B]

I think you might be the one.

Well, anyway, just make me your quesadillas when you get home.

[A]

He loves my quesadillas, y'. All. It's so funny.

[B]

Great episode.

[A]

Good times, babe. Okay, well, let us know in the comments down below. Whose fault was it, really? Was it Danny's fault for not ironing the shirt or was it Jordan's fault for not preparing for an event that's been on the calendar for four months?

Okay, we love you guys. Bye.

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