Danny (1:51)

But you know, you powered through pretty great.

Jordan (1:54)

Yeah, I made it. I'm here. I feel okay today.

Danny (2:00)

80.

Jordan (2:03)

Yeah, probably. I felt better yesterday, funny enough. I know. But my throat kind of hurts again, so. You know, I probably have the flu now.

Danny (2:12)

It's actually shocking that I'm not sick yet.

Jordan (2:15)

Summit is super sick now. I'm really worried about him.

Danny (2:19)

Drop like flies.

Jordan (2:20)

Yeah. So. But yeah, I, I, I mentally stayed strong.

Danny (2:25)

I think you really did.

Jordan (2:26)

Yeah.

Danny (2:27)

I'm proud of you.

Jordan (2:28)

Yeah, I, I fought, I fought.

Danny (2:30)

You fought the good fight. You fought the good fight for sure. And I mean, honestly, you weren't even gonna. I could tell you didn't want to go into the hospital. You really didn't want to go.

Jordan (2:40)

Oh, to for GERD or for the golf letter.

Danny (2:42)

You held out for as long as you could.

Jordan (2:44)

Well, because they don't do anything and they give you fentanyl, which lasts like only 20 minutes. So it's like.

Danny (2:50)

And then you just like, need more and more. And that's like, that's the problem.

Jordan (2:53)

Yeah. And. But it's just like, honestly, it's just a, a time suck and it takes away from your sleep.

Danny (2:59)

Yeah.

Jordan (2:59)

You just, like, wait around for so long that I was like, I'd rather do this at home if I can.

Danny (3:04)

Yeah.

Jordan (3:04)

And. And then it just got. I think I had been going through it for, like, five hours, and I was like, I'm just, I'm too tired of feeling pain.

Danny (3:10)

Yeah. During the, it was a bummer because it happened during the, the playoff game.

Jordan (3:17)

Yeah. Well, you kept watching the game.

Danny (3:19)

I know. I was. Well, okay, let me be clear. There was nothing I could do about the gerd. I, I, I was emotionally supportive. I left, went to cbs. I got all the anti acids.

Jordan (3:32)

Yeah. So I can kind of tell, like, what happened that night.

Danny (3:35)

Yeah. Yeah.

Jordan (3:37)

So I went to bed really early that night. I was hoping to we put the kids to bed, and I think maybe because I had Covid already, and I didn't know I had Covid at the time. I don't know. I just, like, didn't have, like, an appetite that day. So I ate really late. Like, I think I had my first meal at, like, 5 o', clock, which is not like me. I'm usually, like, chowing down all day long. So at five o', clock, I'm like, okay, I'm gonna eat. What did I have? What did I tell you that I had?

Danny (4:05)

Oh, we went to.

Jordan (4:08)

We didn't go anywhere that night. No, I made dinner at home. Oh, I think I had that soup. Remember, I had the soup that, like, we had for our kids. It was, like, a very healthy, like, chicken noodle soup type of thing. So I had that soup. And then, because I was. Oh, my. My aura ring was telling me that, like, for the past three or four days from that uti, that I was, like, really stressed out and I wasn't sleeping well because I had to pee so much. So I was like, I'm gonna go to bed early. Like, I get, I'm gonna get all my, like, eight hours. So I made myself some peppermint tea. And this tea that I made was, like, a special one I've been, like, saving for a long time for, like, a special night that I wanted to relax. So I got in bed and started watching, like, Landman or something. And, like, probably 20 minutes into my tea, I was like, oh, gosh. I started to have, like, really, really bad heart pains or chest pains. And I was like, no, please, no. Because I know exactly what this feels like. So I basically. I call it laboring. I basically labored by myself for an hour because I was like, I'm not going to tell Jordan because it's probably going to go away in an hour. I took my Tums, I took my Pepcid. I was like, I'm not going to make a big deal of it because sometimes that happens where it just, like, happens for, like, 10 minutes and goes away. Yeah. So then after an hour, I was like, this isn't going away. This is gonna stay for the night. So I went out and told Jordan. By this time, it's like, probably nine o', clock, and he's watching the football game. And I'm like, listen, I think this is gonna be a bad one. And so it progressively got worse. And so we kept, like, looking up stuff on chat GPT. What do you do? So finally he was like, okay, I'll go to the store. There's this, like, magnesium drink that was supposed to help. And. And he did.

Danny (5:58)

He also said one thing you should avoid was peppermint. Peppermint?

Jordan (6:02)

Yeah. Which I just didn't know. And I thought I was doing, like, a good thing. And. Oh, that was. The other thing is I had been eating really healthy because I had. I was trying to, like, get rid of this uti, so I was, like, really trying to eat, like, more bland foods that, like, weren't super acidic or anything. And so I was, like, actually doing really well with my diet because I was so, like, over this UTI anyway, so I thought the peppermint tea would be, like, good for me, like, good for digestion and all of that. And then I just, like, screwed, like, shot myself in the foot. So anyway, we did all that. He came back. By this time, it's been, like, two hours. And so that. That third hour, we call one, like our nanny, and we're like, hey, can you come over? Like, we might have to go to the hospital. So we did another labor, like, for, like, another hour. And I was like, I'm not going in. I don't want to. I'm like, we've. We've already done this for three or four hours. Like, it'll be gone soon. And it just didn't. So then we just drove to the hospital.

Danny (6:57)

We got home at, like, what, three?

Jordan (6:59)

3:00Am Yeah, I think I went to bed at like, four.

Danny (7:02)

Yeah, three or four. I had. I had. I mean, all things considered. I had a lot of fun with you, though, that night. We talked about the Roman Empire.

Jordan (7:11)

Yeah.

Danny (7:11)

People you got a little bit like, you got a little loopy on the fentanyl. You weren't like that loop.

Jordan (7:16)

I did not get loopy.

Danny (7:17)

You did a little bit. You were just like, you know, you were happier and there was a moment you looked at me and you go, I don't think you feel bad for me. Remember that? And you kind of gave me a whole, a whole speech about. We were also kind of delirious.

Jordan (7:32)

I think that was like, after it had worn off, though.

Danny (7:34)

Oh, okay.

Jordan (7:36)

Honestly, it didn't make me loopy at all.

Danny (7:38)

Oh, yeah, Bummer. All that for nothing.

Jordan (7:43)

No, I'm just saying, like, don't take fentanyl, kids. Yeah, well, the funny thing is it, it did end up helping. But like, honestly, the first, like 20 minutes, like, I, I was still in pain too.

Danny (7:54)

You know what? I thought they took great care of you.

Jordan (7:56)

But.

Danny (7:56)

And this is all, this is all protocol. But you know what I thought was kind of crazy is what would happen is first you call the on site nurse from the OB office and you're like, here's what I'm going through. So you explain it all. It takes you like five minutes to explain what you're going through. And you're in pain and you're like, it's, it's level eight. Then you go to the check in counter and you have to explain to them what you're going through. Then they put you in a bed and you have to explain it to the nurse what you're going through.

Jordan (8:24)

Yeah.

Danny (8:25)

And so everyone knows by this point that you're in pain. And then they have to bring in the actual doctor and you got to tell her what you're going through.

Jordan (8:33)

Yeah.

Danny (8:33)

Then they bring in the OB on site. You have to tell her what you're going through. Then they give you the pain meds.

Jordan (8:39)

Yeah.

Danny (8:39)

Well, it just. I almost advocated for you. I wanted to like, trust the process, but it was crazy. Like, you're literally breathing in pain.

Jordan (8:49)

Yeah.

Danny (8:49)

You're like. Yeah, it's like an eight. I feel like I'm in labor. You're like kind of groaning like you're in labor.

Jordan (8:56)

Yeah.

Danny (8:57)

And you have to keep telling people what you're feeling.

Jordan (8:59)

I know.

Danny (9:01)

Well, but I guess, you know, there should be a lot of checks and balances before they just hand out fentanyl. I guess.

Jordan (9:06)

Yeah. They give you such a small amount that I don't think it's like, actually, I don't that dangerous. But, but like, I think that it's protocol, especially because we didn't go to the er. We went to late, like labor delivery. So it was actually more about like checking to make sure baby is okay first, which I knew baby was okay because he was kicking literally non stop. Like non stop when I was going through this. But yeah, basically it kind of feels like a heart attack, like a, Like a burning chest pain, but more like stabbing actually. And then it would radiate, like, to my back, my. The middle of my back, and then like up my neck and then down to the left side of my stomach and it would go in cycles. But like, I've had a natural birth and like I would say those contractions are like nine, 10, obviously, like the ring of fire, like when you're pushing is like death. Like, you can't even put that on a scale, in my opinion. Like, it's so shocking that you basically are dead in my. What I Like, you can't even put that. So. But I would say this is like what I went through was like, or 7 or an 8 compared to like those contractions. So it's like, it was like still pretty painful.

Danny (10:16)

Does it make you question doing a natural birth?

Jordan (10:20)

No. You know, made me question doing a natural birth was. I just got a spray tan and I've been reading because, you know, when I did a natural birth. Sorry, unmedicated birth. All births are natural.

Danny (10:31)

Is this.

Jordan (10:32)

Yeah.

Danny (10:32)

Oh, the property.

Jordan (10:34)

Yeah. Yeah. Politically correct. So. And. And it is actually, it's.

Danny (10:40)

I get it.

Jordan (10:40)

Natural birth is unmitigated. They're different. But so when I was. So now my whole algorithm is like, about like, you know, positions and things you should do or you shouldn't do in an unmedicated birth. Because, like, when I did it last time, like, I literally decided like two weeks prior, and I was like, I think I'm going to try this thing and like, see what happens. And I read nothing. Like, I had.

Danny (11:02)

Yeah.

Jordan (11:02)

No plan. I had no idea what I was doing. And there's a lot of things I would do differently now. Like the major number one thing is pushing on your back. Like laying down in that position and pushing the baby out is just like. So I swear it added to like the torture. It felt like a torturous thing whenever I. I do think that most people that push probably push like standing up. Like gravity, like, it's like, comes out. Like, you know, you don't lay on it. Like, that slows down the. The process anyway, so that's like the number one thing. But I've been fed like all these. These videos of like, how to prepare and how to breathe. And another thing that I did that was like, apparently like a big no no is like, when you're pushing, you shouldn't be making faces. And like, your. Your face shouldn't get red because you should really focus all of that energy down like, there. And like, I watch videos back of me and like, I'm like, like, my face, it's like all the pressures in my head. And so. So I. They were like, one of the things you can do to prepare is to take ice cubes and hold ice cubes and try not to, like, clench your face and not to make a face and just like, breathe through it, like, and like, through the pain. Basically, like, train your brain to, like, breathe through the pain instead of like, tensing up, you know, because that just takes more energy away from, like, where it should be focused. So I've been thinking about doing it, but, like, I also. You know how I am with cold plunges. Like, I cannot, like, I am the worst at, like, that mental pain when it comes to cold. I cannot do it. I can do it with a shot. It's weird, like, when I get shots or like, pricks or anything. Like, I can, like, breathe and like, not think about it and like, let that pain happen over there, but if it's cold. So anyway, I went to go get a spray soon today and I. One of the reasons I hate getting spray tins is because they're so cold. Like, the formula that they use is like ice cold water. Like, that's what it feels like. And it's.

Danny (13:08)

They should fix that.

Jordan (13:09)

I know. It's so it's fixable. Exactly. I think about this all the time.

Danny (13:14)

That seems so fixable.

Jordan (13:15)

Like, I'm just like, can y' all just, like, warm up your formula? Like, yeah, it's. It's torture. And like, it's only. The whole thing is only five minutes, but it is so cold. And so when they spray your chest in your back and it's like already like, cold outside, and then you go into a room and you get butt naked and then you spray, it's just like.

Danny (13:33)

It's like putting on sunscreen.

Jordan (13:34)

I just can't help but, like, you know, clench. And so I was like, oh, this will be really good training for me today. So I went in and I was like, like. Because I always get really, really, like, stressed during that part, and I was like, trying to breathe through it. I. I couldn't do it. Yeah, I couldn't do it.

Danny (13:53)

Well, you don't feel cold Though, whenever you're giving.

Jordan (13:58)

No, but it's just a way to like, breathe through the pain.

Danny (14:03)

You did pretty well during the, the gird attack.

Jordan (14:07)

Not really. I was like screaming.

Danny (14:09)

I mean, yeah, I mean, you, you definitely clinch up your body and stuff.

Jordan (14:12)

But I was like, why is this happening? I hate that this is happening. This is the worst day ever. Why is this happening? Please help me. Please, please go away.

Danny (14:20)

I don't, I don't think the rule for giving a unmedicated birth though, is that you're stoic through the whole thing.

Jordan (14:25)

So there are some births I've been watching a lot. They're all on my feed. Like, I. This is what I do at like.

Danny (14:30)

I know, but isn't that like an Instagram versus reality thing?

Jordan (14:33)

No. Some of these women, like, train and they train themselves to like, just like, breathe through the pain. Like, I've watched like the whole video. Oh, my God. There was this one.

Danny (14:44)

I don't want to know. I don't know.

Jordan (14:47)

Can I just say it? No, no, just don't listen. Everybody else wants to hear it.

Danny (14:53)

Okay.

Jordan (14:55)

There was this one that I watched and it was like a five part video of this girl that was like, very. She was like, so set on doing an unmedicated at home birth. She had a doula and everything and she labored. I mean, she had the most intense contractions for probably, I don't know, six or seven hours. And this baby would just not come out. But she was like, so set on it that finally, like, the babies are come out. But if you don't get the baby out in a certain amount of time, it's like, kind of dangerous. So she ended up having an episiotomy with no, no, no pain medication, and her husband passed out next to her on the bed. And like, literally that's what saved the baby. And then what sucks is like, because apparently, like, it wasn't done right, because it was more of like a panic situation. She's had to get like three more surgeries because it never healed right. And it's like, so she's had to have like three more episiotomies, like, all the way. That's why I won't do it at home birth. Like, I just, I. I, like, I, I just can't. Like, I can't. And I want like the utmost, like, full medical attention. And like, if something goes wrong, I just want, I want it all, like, sure. But no, I, but here's the thing. I rem. I'm going to be honest with you. I Remember when I was. Sorry, this is two men in the room. No, Jordan, I'm sorry.

Danny (16:27)

It's beautiful.

Jordan (16:28)

I just remember that, like, the pain that was happening was so much worse that I was like, an episiotomy would be heaven right now. Like, that's what I thought when I was pushing. I was like, that's why I remember when I was looking at the doctor, I was like, just cut him out. Just cut him out. I kept saying, just cut it out, like, because that would have actually relieved more pain or, like, been felt better than what was going on. So honestly, that probably is what happened to her, too. But, I mean, I'm telling you, like, women are, like, pretty tough. Like, it's pretty crazy.

Danny (17:02)

Well, I can't wait for maybe we just. I don't know. It's your call, your body, your choice.

Jordan (17:09)

I'm gonna try it, you know.

Danny (17:11)

Okay.

Jordan (17:11)

My thing is, I don't like to set myself up for failure, so I don't like to be like, no, I'm gonna do it for sure, because then I'm embarrassed when I, like, tap out.

Podcast Host (17:18)

You also.

Danny (17:19)

It's so. I don't know how to explain it. It's so, like, the style of the Austin women to not want to train for it, but to just show up and do it and win on the spot. I don't know how to explain it. It's like, yeah, because, you know.

Jordan (17:37)

Yeah, it's a little thrill.

Danny (17:39)

It's a little thrill.

Jordan (17:41)

No, I'm gonna be honest. The reason why I don't want to train or, like, learn too much about it is it. I overthink it, and it really starts to freak me out. And, like, I just. I, like, I overthink it, and then I don't want to do it. And so that's why a lot of times I don't. There's a lot of things where I'm just like, okay, we'll figure it out when I show up. Yeah, kind of like, the shoot I have tomorrow. I have a maternity shoot tomorrow. And, like, I literally don't know what I'm wearing. And I'm like, honestly, I don't think about it because I'll stress myself out about it.

Podcast Host (18:11)

Yeah, no, and I'm glad that you're.

Danny (18:12)

Not stressing yourself out about it.

Podcast Host (18:15)

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Danny (23:29)

Man. The only thing I would say is that we were like two weeks off from this GERD attack from having access to Chat GBT Health that they're coming out with.

Jordan (23:40)

That would be cool.

Danny (23:41)

That would have been awesome. Because, I mean, I queried a lot of things that are just forever going to be in the open record.

Jordan (23:48)

Oh, yeah.

Danny (23:48)

Like, it's like the cool thing about ChatGPT Health is private. It's. Yeah, it's HIPAA compliant and they combine all of your medical data so you can like port in your medical records.

Jordan (23:59)

Oh, no way.

Danny (23:59)

And like the history of what you've gone through.

Jordan (24:02)

What are like concierge doctors going to do?

Danny (24:05)

No, I. 100%. I'm like, I'm not. It's going to take a lot to get me to the doctor. My doctor's been asking me for a physical for.

Jordan (24:15)

Can this doctor, like order you tests and stuff? Like a COVID test or like.

Danny (24:20)

Well, I don't know how it's going to evolve. But like right now everyone's asking ChatGPT for health information, but it's like going into, like it's not really private or protected.

Jordan (24:31)

Yeah.

Danny (24:31)

But now it's like, if you treat it like a therapist, like those are like protected conversations. Like, they can't be brought up in court or anything like that. It's all hipaa.

Jordan (24:44)

Wow.

Danny (24:45)

Which is crazy. And like, I do function health and so like, I'm getting my blood work tomorrow and then on Thursday, let's ask.

Jordan (24:52)

Chat gbt, like, what's the craziest thing that we've asked you in 2025 and we don't have to share it, but like, let's see if it's shareable.

Danny (25:00)

Okay.

Jordan (25:00)

Okay, you go. First years are funnier.

Danny (25:05)

You see is that you seriously explored moving your family to Nashville and turning. Turning a mansion into a multi entity, multi creator content house.

Jordan (25:17)

You did.

Danny (25:21)

Well. Your mom was like, I'm not going to move. And I was like, okay, how do.

Podcast Host (25:24)

I get her there?

Danny (25:25)

And then I Was like, maybe I'll make it like a content house. And then. Yeah.

Jordan (25:30)

Anything else?

Danny (25:32)

No. That's not even that bad.

Jordan (25:35)

I know. I feel like I asked way worse questions than this.

Danny (25:38)

Me too.

Jordan (25:38)

Mine said, it's funny because you don't ask crazy in a chaotic way. You ask unhinged but logical questions. Does hummus make you get puffy?

Danny (25:48)

That's like, so what I expected. You're.

Jordan (25:55)

When does sharing become over? Sharing? If your life is your brand.

Danny (25:59)

Yeah.

Jordan (25:59)

I mean, oh, can you give us kids? And I put a picture of me and you, and I just wanted to see if Chat GBT's kids looked like my kids now.

Danny (26:08)

Oh, did it? No, no, no. The next was the honorable runner up was designing an entire if I die operational binder in case I died because I felt really concerned about that there was something that happened to me recently. Maybe this is the plane. I don't know. We weren't prepared though.

Jordan (26:34)

Yeah.

Danny (26:34)

You didn't know the passwords.

Jordan (26:36)

Yeah.

Danny (26:38)

What else is crazy that's going on? Oh, also health related. New food pyramid.

Jordan (26:43)

Yeah, that's good. I feel like there's a lot of stuff going on in the world.

Danny (26:48)

So much going on.

Jordan (26:49)

Like, I mean, can we talk about the good and the bad? Can you just fill us in? I've been so sick for so long.

Danny (26:54)

A lot is going on in the world. I feel like I, I, every time I open Twitter right now, it is like, boom. It's like, whoa, that happened today. It's like, I think it's because midterms are coming up and so, like, everyone's ripping. Like, well, the, like, like the administration is like, ripping to try and get results and make big headlines and waves.

Jordan (27:19)

Yeah.

Danny (27:19)

So it's like reforming housing affordability. It's like defense contractors. No more stock buybacks. It's like, new food pyramid. Yeah. And it's definitely like. I think I also read that they're now starting to release a bunch of the stuff about, like, the 2020 election, you know, because he, he stood by his claim that it was stolen. So he's like releasing a bunch of information there. Then there's the daycare thing. And so it's like, yeah, the Somalian daycare. Yeah, it's ripping right now.

Jordan (27:53)

So sorry, I'm. I like, I literally don't know what's going on, so don't come for me. But basically the Somalian daycare situation was just. They were. Is this super politicized?

Danny (28:07)

I mean, or.

Jordan (28:08)

I feel like this is really.

Danny (28:10)

Well, okay, so here's here's the objective take is that there are, there are welfare programs within the government of Minneapolis that a large part of it is for child daycares. So like, you can run a daycare and basically the government pays to employ your people and to help you run it. Well, they. The claim is that there are hundreds, if not thousands of ghost daycares.

Jordan (28:41)

So kind of like ghost rehabs.

Danny (28:43)

Yes, or like ghost. They're starting to uncover that in like addiction centers too, which is definitely true.

Jordan (28:49)

I've read a lot of.

Danny (28:50)

Yeah, so it's like these ghost daycares and ghost addiction therapies that are funneling millions of dollars out of the government and into pockets. But then there's like a rot smart criminals. But then there's a rotating door of like, then those criminals that are getting the dollars, funneling them back into political campaigns. So the revolving door is like.

Jordan (29:17)

Wait, so you're saying the Somalians are funding political campaigns?

Danny (29:21)

Well, so the Somalians are just a large population in Minneapolis that over the past, like call it 5 to 10 years have opened a lot of daycares. No, they, they. Well, first of all, they, they. They migrated to Minneapolis. They were welcomed into Minneapolis, and now there's a huge population of Somalians in Minneapolis. So nothing wrong with that.

Podcast Host (29:47)

Totally.

Danny (29:47)

Fine.

Jordan (29:48)

Yeah.

Danny (29:48)

But of these, like the welfare fraud, the accusation is that this is largely done within the Somalian community.

Jordan (29:56)

Okay.

Danny (29:57)

So that's where kind of like the racket is happening and held. And so I don't, I don't like.

Jordan (30:04)

Like, I don't really care, like who's. I'm just trying to figure out what they're doing. So yeah, there's people.

Danny (30:10)

There's like a whole. I think what they think is there's a whole ecosystem. So there's like the government programs, then there's the politicians that either know or don't know about it. So they're trying to figure out like was were the politicians complicit in this?

Jordan (30:24)

Kind of like when, like they look the other way. CIA or the FBI like knows about us working with the cartel or whatever. But it's like, hey, we just gotta do it.

Danny (30:35)

Exactly.

Jordan (30:35)

Cause it betters the whole country.

Danny (30:37)

So then, so then it's like, what? Politicians knew it. And then it's like, these immigrants are probably not applying for this on their own. So then there's like a whole slew of law firms.

Jordan (30:49)

How does this happen?

Danny (30:50)

And like people like application, hand holding and like that apparatus of people.

Jordan (30:56)

It's very complicated.

Danny (30:57)

It's very complicated. And most likely it's a whole just, like, if, you know, you know, type of ecosystem. And so. But they're saying biggest fraud in, like, probably our country's history.

Jordan (31:12)

How many billions.

Danny (31:15)

Do you know?

Jordan (31:16)

I think, like, 30 billion or something, or 132 billion or something like that.

Danny (31:20)

No, it's like, it. It's at least tens of billions. But here's the crazy thing is that. So what's so interesting is that they're, like, uncovering this in Minneapolis now, but then there's, like, New York, there's California, there's, like, all of these other states that have these large welfare programs as well.

Jordan (31:40)

Well, one of.

Danny (31:41)

And then they're also asking, like, you know, for example, Spencer Pratt from the Hills, he's running for mayor. Did you know that? Yeah, the big headline. I think this is the most interesting headline.

Jordan (31:53)

Like when Kanye ran for president. Question mark.

Danny (31:55)

No, it's different. It hits different because he's been basically calling out the fraud within the Pacific Palisades, like, oh, yeah, fire aid that just com. Like, most of the money either, like, didn't go towards rebuilding or completely disappeared. So he's running on that ticket. And Brody Jenner came out and, like, highly endorsed him and was like, listen, Spencer Pratt graduated police political science from usc. He is one of the smartest people that I know. Like, he is not just a reality TV star. He knows what he's doing and, like, legitimately endorsed him for mayor.

Jordan (32:30)

Wow.

Danny (32:31)

And a lot of people are coming behind him because what's happening is it's.

Podcast Host (32:36)

Almost like this Minnesota thing.

Danny (32:38)

Like, they started yanking at a ball of yarn, and now all of these threads are leading back to, okay, what happened to the money that was taxpayer money in the Pacific Palisade thing? And then it's like, okay, well, then also, why do we keep losing, like, billions of dollars that we devote towards, like, California homelessness cleanup? So what I think is happening is that, like, all of these things that are sort of built around, like, seemingly good empathetic programs are becoming okay. Like, are these real? Are these actually providing aid? Or is this totally fraud? So that's what's interesting.

Jordan (33:15)

So much of it is such a mess.

Danny (33:17)

Oh, it's a total mess. But honestly, I think that what I find to be the most disgusting thing about it is, like, I think about, like, people that we employ at divi or, like, the average working American who's having to make a decision of, do I. Can I afford to have more children because I can't afford for my wife or my Husband to stay at home. Because we can't also afford daycare. Because daycare cost for the people who are not getting subsidies is like this up into the right. So the cost of living is completely inflated, and we have a population crisis. So people. Families who legitimately want to have more kids can't afford to do so. So if our tax dollars, which prevent our ability to keep up with the cost of living because they go to the government, are then being reallocated and fraudulently taken by non American citizens who are, like, taking advantage of programs, like, that's. I would be very angry if we were in that position.

Jordan (34:23)

Yeah.

Danny (34:23)

It's horrible.

Jordan (34:25)

No, for sure. Or. And a lot of people are angry.

Podcast Host (34:28)

Yeah.

Danny (34:28)

I don't know. I can't tell people how angry people are. I think we're like.

Podcast Host (34:32)

I think most.

Danny (34:33)

It feels like people are so disillusioned, and they're like, cool, you discovered it. But nothing's gonna happen. No one's gonna go to jail. Like, nothing's gonna happen.

Jordan (34:41)

Especially after Epstein files.

Danny (34:43)

Yeah. It's kind of like we're just stuck in this broken system and, you know.

Jordan (34:48)

Like, what are we gonna do? And then I think a lot of people thought, oh, Trump is not a politician. He'll come in and. And, you know, do a lot of crazy things. And then, like, his first month, he's like, forget about the Epstein files.

Danny (35:00)

Yeah. The only thing I would say is that. Because what this is doing, I would say what. So that's what the right is saying is like, this is fraud. It's all in the Somalians. Then what the left is saying is like, you know, Trump is like mobilizing a militia that is ICE to pin this fraud on one community to get immigrants out to.

Jordan (35:20)

Because, well, everyone's probably taking advantage of the situation to prove their point.

Danny (35:25)

And they're still framing it. It's all framing. So. So what I. What I get confused by is maybe we're all. Because we're in midterm season. I hope that, like, maybe it is a situation where this is being framed by the right against one immigrant population. Like, maybe it's not all just the Somalians that are taking care, you know, advantage of it. It may be, like, a large percentage because it's cultural or like, oh, I know, my friend also moved to America. You got to move to America. You know, there's this program. You just open a daycare, put an address up, and you're fine.

Jordan (36:02)

Yeah. It might just be like a thing that. That happens. I mean, but I remember Reading about the rehab, like sober living centers in. I think it was California, Arizona, like more on the West Coast. But they were taking advantage of Native Americans and they were targeting like alcoholic, drug. Drug. Drug addicts that were Native American and using their insurance.

Danny (36:25)

Yeah.

Jordan (36:26)

To like basically pay themselves. But they didn't. A lot of times they would take in these Native Americans that were sick and just basically keep them sick so that they could keep on. Like.

Danny (36:36)

Yeah. Because you're not incentivized to get them healthy. That was. That's a real story.

Jordan (36:40)

That's a real story that like, it, it. They like discovered all these people. A lot of them went to jail and it was like, I mean, hundreds of millions of dollars and it was crazy. So, yeah, this stuff, this stuff definitely does happen. But I agree with you where like Theo Von always talks about it and he's like, okay, so now what? Like, nothing's going to change. And that's what's so disheartening about it. And I could totally see how everyone just uses these stories in these big things to prove the point that they want to prove. And there are so many angles to these stories. I always wonder though, if like one of these big politicians came in and like just sided with the other side or understood the other side publicly, like, would that.

Danny (37:25)

Well, it always comes down to like, right or left issues. So they do side with the other side. It just depends on who the other side is.

Jordan (37:32)

No, but I'm saying, like, if Trump came in and was like, yeah, like, I agree with the left. Like, I see what Yalls point and like, I hate that. It does make it seem like we're targeting like one community. But that's really not what this is about. Like that, you know, And I'm sorry, I'm just like putting words in. I not make. But like. Or would that just infuriate the right. Because they'd be like, you're not. You're. You're a fair weather.

Danny (38:01)

Yeah.

Jordan (38:01)

Fan. And like, you're just. You know, I just, sometimes I wish that I feel like.

Danny (38:07)

I feel like there's a way to solve this. Do you want to hear my way?

Jordan (38:10)

Yeah.

Danny (38:10)

The way to solve this is. I think that the way to solve this is he uproots the fraud. Okay. So he solves the fraud issue. Because the fraud issue is like, what is taking all of our tax dollars. So like property taxes, you know, like all of our tax. And it goes to the government, which is the most inefficient entity in allocating our money. So like everyone's milking off of us as Americans, the defense contractors. Everyone is being milked because they're, like, all charged 30%. More like, when these school bonds come up in, like, different cities. I remember I was at this, like, event, and they. One city council member for Dallas was talking about how they. For a student share, they were trying to charge $2,000. You know those chairs that we had in public school? Like, a chair. Like, literally a chair that the students. The desk. And then they had, like, the plastic chairs.

Jordan (39:11)

Do you remember those blue ones?

Danny (39:13)

The blue ones, yes. They were charging $2,000 for each of those.

Jordan (39:17)

Oh, okay.

Danny (39:18)

Just taking advantage of these bonds that come up that, like, if you're in Rockwell county, you have to, like, your taxes increase to pay the bond to get this new school in. But then everything is inflated because the government's not vetting and controlling costs on the actual execution of building high schools and things like that. So I feel like everyone is happy if Trump uproots the fraud, makes our tax dollars more efficient by cutting off all things that are fraudulent, and then cuts income tax, which he's talked about this year. He was like, we're really close, I think, to being able to, like, actually cut income tax. Because then if you cut income tax, it's like, no harm, no foul. Like, we can all forgive each other. It's not a writer versus right versus left issue. It's like, okay, fine, that was. Then you. You wasted all my tax dollars. But I'm happy now because my tax dollars are back. Now I can pay for child care myself. Like, I don't need the government to subsidize it. You know, I have more money in my pocket as an American. And honestly, if they're trying to win the midterms, like, everyone's happy. What leftist is going to be like, oh, I want to pay more in taxes. I don't care what they say. They may say that, but when you. When they're, like, actually not able to survive because they have to pay more in taxes, there's just no way. Everyone wins if we cut taxes.

Jordan (40:44)

Just saying that makes sense.

Danny (40:46)

Maybe it. Maybe it will happen this year, and then the economy would rip.

Jordan (40:52)

Would rip.

Danny (40:53)

It would rip.

Jordan (40:55)

That'd be fun. Well, I'm. I'm. Are you trying to run for president or something?

Danny (41:03)

No, I'm just saying, like, I've thought about how you fix this, because now it's, like, such a politicized issue. It's like, if you speak against the daycare fraud, you're racist. It's like, becoming that essentially. Okay, so, like, how do you solve that? You get rid of the fraud, which I think everyone would probably universally be okay with. You stop targeting the Somalians. Just get rid of the fraud.

Podcast Host (41:26)

Don't.

Danny (41:26)

It's not about Somalians.

Jordan (41:27)

Sorry, can I just ask a question? Like, I really don't know anything. Are people, like, defending The Somalians?

Danny (41:34)

Yeah, 100%. They're.

Jordan (41:36)

Oh, they're, like, saying that they need this. Like, they.

Danny (41:40)

I don't know. Do you know? I don't know if they're saying they need it. I think they're defending. So it. The fraud. When it comes to the Somalians, the fraud isn't even talked about.

Podcast Host (41:50)

It's.

Danny (41:51)

It's. The accusation is that the fraud is being framed in a way to actually target a minority immigrant group.

Jordan (41:59)

Oh. But. Oh, gosh. Okay.

Danny (42:02)

I know it's. It's confusing.

Jordan (42:03)

Okay. Okay.

Danny (42:05)

I don't think we know.

Jordan (42:06)

Okay.

Danny (42:07)

But now it's like ice. It's just like this whole complicated thing.

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Danny (47:35)

I think we all agree that ghost daycares are bad and not fair for average Americans. But you just never know. You get lost in these talking points. I know at Planet Fitness, which honestly, I should be sponsored by, I've realized this. I'm the only one who is an advocate of Planet Fitness in the influencer world. They always have CNN and Fox News up.

Jordan (47:59)

I love that.

Danny (48:00)

No, it's great. And then like ESPN is like in the middle and I'm like, I'm always trying to piece together.

Jordan (48:05)

Yeah.

Danny (48:06)

What's going on. Yeah. It really is crazy. If you put those two next to each other. How crazy. How crazy polarized things really are.

Jordan (48:17)

How different the same story can turn into. Yeah.

Danny (48:20)

Like if Trump's ever doing something good, Fox News has it up. And immediately. Then CNN is not covering it, like objectively good. And CNN is not covering it. And instead talking about some other scandal that he had and.

Jordan (48:34)

And vice versa.

Danny (48:35)

And vice versa.

Jordan (48:36)

It's crazy.

Danny (48:37)

But we've known that for forever.

Jordan (48:39)

Yeah. That's what makes it fun. That's what makes it so hard.

Danny (48:45)

I read today that 46% of voters are now independent.

Jordan (48:51)

Really?

Danny (48:52)

It's like the highest ever on record. Which means that we're all basically disassociating from left and right, the extreme right and the extreme left. And it's great. Which is great because the more to.

Jordan (49:03)

Think ourselves with our brains, the more.

Danny (49:04)

Common sense the politicians can be, the more like they'll probably rise to power.

Jordan (49:09)

I kind of love that. I also think that like, it's like 50 of people just don't want to put on paper what they are because they're scared of the other. But that's okay. Wow.

Danny (49:22)

Vote Spencer Pratt. I'm kidding. I don't live in California, so I don't. I don't really know if you should.

Jordan (49:28)

Well, what else is going on? I have to pee, but I can't wait.

Danny (49:34)

Yeah, let's just finish this out.

Jordan (49:36)

Okay. I'll just get another eti. It's fine. Can we move on to something just like a little bit more light hearted? Because I feel like that was also heavy and you know, usually you asked. No, I know it because you. To be honest, usually I'm very up to date with these things. Like I. I go, I deep dive. Like the past month or so. Like I'm really preparing for baby and like, I just don't. I'm like, maternal instincts kick in. I'm like, I don't care what's going on in the world right now. Like, all I care about is like, what's right in front of me. And I don't have time to like, like, I'm like, I. This is what I need. So I'm like nesting. I'm like more concerned about like taking care of myself, my mental health, my kids health, and like so the world is just spinning around me. So I expect you to like, if you can take care of us. Yeah. Just let me know if anything really bad happens.

Danny (50:28)

We're not going to be affected. I mean, we are, but we're also. We have zero control over all these things happening. But it's fun to know about them.

Jordan (50:35)

Yeah, well, we're all affected by this.

Danny (50:37)

Memes are just so great right now. Yeah, like some of the best memes really, since COVID It's got to be me. Show you some.

Jordan (50:47)

Okay, you save them.

Danny (50:49)

Yeah, save them all. The memes are just so good. This one is Maduro, the Venezuela president.

Podcast Host (51:01)

And Diddy.

Danny (51:02)

It's an AI video dancing in a jail cell together.

Jordan (51:08)

Oh, gosh.

Podcast Host (51:09)

I'll show you.

Jordan (51:10)

Hold on.

Danny (51:10)

Here it Is here. AI is really good. Oh, sorry, sorry. That was Logan, Paul.

Jordan (51:31)

Oh, funny.

Danny (51:32)

Yeah, it's good. I gotta. I gotta stay entertained out here because, you know, you're entering into that third trimester.

Jordan (51:38)

Yeah.

Danny (51:38)

You gave me a warning on my birthday. You said, hey, I think it's about to get really hard.

Jordan (51:42)

Yeah. I said, please don't touch me.

Danny (51:43)

Please don't touch me. She doesn't like to be talked to in certain hours. So I've really spent this time. I started listening to Dan Carlin's.

Podcast Host (51:55)

History.

Danny (51:55)

Like, what's it called? Hardcore history.

Jordan (51:57)

Yeah.

Danny (51:57)

On the Roman Empire. Been really keeping up with current events. Good hobbies, thinking about how to save America. Hobbies.

Jordan (52:05)

Have you told everybody about your newest infection?

Danny (52:11)

No.

Jordan (52:12)

You don't want people to know.

Danny (52:13)

Well, it's fine.

Jordan (52:14)

Jordan has ringworm, and it's really big and really bad, and he doesn't, to.

Danny (52:19)

Be fair, it's in the shape of a heart.

Jordan (52:22)

It's huge.

Danny (52:23)

You never have acknowledged that it is in the shape.

Jordan (52:26)

Also, you're not supposed to don't touch it. And you're not supposed to cover it up.

Danny (52:29)

Look, it's a heart.

Jordan (52:31)

I know, babe. I get. You're not supposed to cover it up. And so this is what's so annoying about Jordan is like, he's very. He's particular about the things that he cares about. Okay. Like, I mean, he either cares 100% or could not give an F. And ringworm is just one thing he could give an F about. Like, he just doesn't care. And it is so annoying to me because it's highly contagious if you share towels or anything. By the way, like, every time you get a shower, he hangs his towel back up, and I'm like, I put it in the. In the washer dryer. Did you know I do that for you every single day? Because you're basically trying to get me ringworm. Anyway, so the other day I found him some, like, anti, you know, fungal cream that you're supposed to use an app. Whatever you use on app for athlete's foot is the same thing you use on that. But that doesn't go away. Ringworm doesn't go away unless you treat it. I mean, it can stay for months and you have to treat it, like, twice a day. And it's super, super contagious. Like, if you. If I just touch it, then I could get it. And so I got him this cream. I put it next to his bed, and I can always tell that he doesn't use it. Because it's in the same position, like, it's not being used, you know? And we had this, like, staycation for his birthday. And I was like, listen, you have to use it consistently for 48 hours, like, or I'm not gonna sleep in the same bed as you, like, for your birthday. Because I was like, that was, like.

Danny (53:54)

The whole point of my birthday. And so we were really gearing up for that one.

Jordan (54:00)

And so he, like, still was, like, not using the cream. And so I went into. I would say, like, probably like three nights ago. I went over to him and I was like, listen, I just want you to know that if I get ringworm because you're not taking care of yourself, I will kill you. I was like, I will be. This is when I had Covid UTI gerd attack hospital visits. I was like, if I get ringworm on top of all of this because you can't put a cream on at night and in the morning, I will be very, very angry with you. Like, more than you know. And I have kept track of every time he has used that cream since I've said that. Zero.

Podcast Host (54:45)

No.

Jordan (54:46)

Zero. No, no, it's zero. And then that night, though, I asked him. I was like, okay, like, put it on. So he puts it on his leg and then grabs my face towel and. And wipes his hands off on my face.

Danny (55:02)

He threw the face towel in the dirty clothes, and I said, I'm sorry.

Jordan (55:06)

And then he puts it back on the counter. And I look down, he goes, oh, sorry. And I had an itchy eye that week, too. And I was like, oh, my God, this is probably.

Danny (55:14)

There's like a. It's so funny because you're so right about caring 100% or 0%. And there's this toxic urge in me to, like, be so stubborn about this.

Jordan (55:22)

I know.

Danny (55:23)

Like, I would rather move the bottle as though I used it than actually apply the cream.

Jordan (55:29)

So you want ringworm? Like, that's disgusting.

Danny (55:31)

No, I don't want it. I just don't think about it. I'm like, oh, I'll get to this when it becomes a problem to me.

Jordan (55:36)

Yeah, it's about to become a problem if you don't take care of it. It's huge. Your ringworm is huge.

Danny (55:40)

No, it's going away. It seems like.

Jordan (55:42)

No, I.

Danny (55:43)

For some reason in my mind, I'm like, this thing will clear up with some vitamin D and sun.

Jordan (55:48)

It doesn't. That's what's. That's why, like, dogs have to take, like, the ringworm. Medication. It's super contagious. Like, it's like that. You actually have to take care. It's like a serious thing.

Danny (55:59)

It just doesn't. It just doesn't seem that serious because it's shaped like a heart.

Jordan (56:05)

How does ringworm go away?

Danny (56:07)

I really. We don't. We also don't know if it's ringworm. I mean, we asked.

Jordan (56:11)

It's a hundred percent ringworm.

Danny (56:12)

Again, chat. GPD Health is not out yet. I don't know. I mean, like, honestly, Danny, I've got. I'm about to have to get on a lifelong medication because I was diagnosed with eczema. Did you know that? Lifelong. I gotta go to this weird pharmacy and get it. So, like, you know, skin issues to me are just, like, table stakes. It's like the cost of living.

Jordan (56:39)

I'm just. But I understand this, like, so, like, I'll be honest with you. This isn't about you at this point. It's about our kids and your pregnant wife. It has, like, I'm gonna be having a newborn, okay, that's gonna get ringworm. I. I, like, honestly, I don't care if you don't care about it now. It's everybody else that we care about.

Danny (56:57)

Okay. Okay. You're right. I. I'm going to go downstairs right after this. I'm going put on the athlete's foot, clear this sucker up for a month.

Jordan (57:04)

You have to put it on, like, for a long time.

Danny (57:06)

I think you said 48 hours till it goes away. Okay. Gosh. So I. My new routine is I've got to do my medicube on my face.

Jordan (57:17)

Oh, my gosh.

Danny (57:18)

I got to do. I got to do my eczema lotion on my chest and my back. And now I got to put athlete's foot on my shin. You got to understand, the reason you're experiencing such a hesitation from me is that. That's a long morning routine, babe.

Jordan (57:35)

The rage that's coming through my body.

Danny (57:37)

Right now, that's a long morning routine. And then I got to take all my supplements. Going to brush my teeth.

Jordan (57:43)

And then you're like, danny, where's my outfit? Where's my outfit for the wedding? Well, you didn't. You didn't. You didn't iron my shirt even though I told you I had everything ready the night before.

Danny (57:58)

Oh, your point is, is that, like, you're trying to take care of me by telling me about the.

Jordan (58:02)

No, I'm talking about that one time.

Danny (58:04)

No, I know. I get it. I'll do it. I'LL do it. Okay.

Jordan (58:08)

It's like, you. You can't take.

Danny (58:09)

I'm just gonna need to wake up, like, 40 minutes earlier.

Jordan (58:12)

Yeah. It'll take you a very long time. My point is, you can't take care of other people if you don't take care of yourself.

Danny (58:17)

No, I know. That's why I shower first thing in the morning. It's very methodical, because if I'm not. If I'm not my best self before I leave the bedroom, there's. There's no. There's no breaks after I leave the bedroom.

Jordan (58:32)

Okay.

Danny (58:32)

You get what I'm saying? Like, it's the same reason. Like, you know. Yeah, I totally get that method right now.

Jordan (58:40)

I just see you as, like, a smoker who won't stop smoking.

Danny (58:44)

And I'm like, it's not that big of a problem.

Jordan (58:46)

I'm like, you have, like, a huge ringworm on your leg that you just, like, forget about. Yeah. Okay. We'll move on to something lighter because, you know, my hormones are rocking and.

Danny (58:56)

Yeah, they're rocking and rolling.

Jordan (58:57)

They're rocking and rolling. So have you heard about the Ashley Tisdale drama?

Danny (59:00)

No, actually. Would you tell me about it?

Jordan (59:03)

So it's kind of funny. It's like. It's not actually, like, relevant to my life, but it's, like, relevant to, like, a lot of moms out there. So I feel like we should talk about it. So Ashley Tisdale, she's basically in this mom group.

Danny (59:16)

Yeah.

Jordan (59:16)

Where a lot of these moms got pregnant in, like, 2020. And some of the other moms in the group are Meghan Trainor, Mandy Moore, Hillary Duff. There's like, probably, like, eight moms. Eight to ten moms. They all hang out together. They do everything together, go on trips together. It's kind of like, sounds like this.

Danny (59:35)

Is never going to break up.

Jordan (59:36)

Like, mom talk, but, like, sounds like minimal drama. It's like celebrity talk. So Ashley Tisdale basically came out with an article. I think it was for the cut. Let me see. I actually wrote it down. So basically, Ashley Tisdale came out with an essay called Breaking up with My Toxic Mom Group. And in it, she explained how she had been hurt and excluded and felt like this. This mom group that she was a part of, it felt like very, like high school drama. And she's written about this and, like, mentioned this, like, in the public, like, two or three times. Like, it's kind of become like her. Her thing that she's been sharing, and she's like. A lot of people were like, wow. We find it so relatable. But then after people started to do more, like, research, they realized, oh, she's a part of this, like, very big, like, celebrity group and she's friends with all these people. So at first a lot of people thought that it was because Ashley Tisdale was maga. And the same day that that kind of, like, rumor came out, her husband posted, like, a bunch of stuff, kind of like, insinuating that they weren't. So it had nothing to do with politics. So then the. The drama continued to blow up when Hillary Duff's husband, Matthew Coma, he posted a Instagram story kind of mocking all of the drama. And he is. He, like, basically shaded Tisdale and called her the most self, self absorbed, tone deaf person on earth in this, like, spoof headline. He ended up deleting it, which always is, like, a little weird to me. Like, whenever the husband.

Danny (61:14)

The husband, like, gets involved, it's a toxic urge.

Podcast Host (61:18)

For sure.

Danny (61:19)

I've been there. But you can't do it. You never come out victorious.

Jordan (61:23)

Well, it's also, like, if there's other husbands involved, like, have at it. I'm fine with that. That's cool. But, like, I just. I do feel like, like, a man should fight his own fight. Like, a woman should fight her own fight. Like, I don't like, like, men fighting women. Like, it's just really icky to me. And so basically all these people are trying to figure out, like, what exactly happened and. And why do all these people. So then Megan Trainor ended up posting, like, a post, like, another, like, sarcastic post, being like, hey, like, just don't care. And all these people in this group are basically, like, doubling down. That Ash Till is crazy. The thing is, that is tough for me is that I know that Ashley Tisdale, when she wrote these articles, she's trying to be vulnerable and she's trying to be relatable and she's trying to be helpful and. But, like, we all know what's gonna happen. There's so many examples or so many, like, things I can think of in my mind where, like, I've had drama with friends, but, like, I know I can't share it because people are gonna figure, like, they're gonna know who it is. There's no way, like, if I share anything, like, any. Any detail, people are gonna like, okay, we're gonna. We know who that is.

Danny (62:34)

Yeah.

Jordan (62:34)

And I'm not even, like, like, their level of celebrity. So, like, to me, I'm like, ashley, like, you knew what you were doing. It kind of gives me a little bit of the ick. And I think she's, like, super hungry for attention. And I'm kind of with the group on this one. I think it's also like. I don't know. I just feel like whenever the whole group agrees on something, and, like, one person doesn't.

Danny (62:59)

Yeah.

Jordan (63:00)

And one person is the quote unquote victim. I'm like, but why are you the victim? Like, I don't know. Not always, but it just seems to me like I don't. There. Maybe it was, like, warranted. And people. You know, what's. What happens is. And I know what happens in these situations. Like, there's either. There's two scenarios. One where Ashley Tisdale just doesn't really have much to offer. Like, she's just kind of there. She gets left out because people just, like, don't really care. And, like, she's maybe shy and just, like, doesn't really. I don't know. And then because I. I feel like I've been in that situation in friend groups where, like, I've gotten left out. And it's not because people didn't like me. They just kind of, like, forgot about me. Like, you know, but then I feel like there's another scenario where, like, people, like, secretly can't stand her. And they're like, you know, please, like, can we not invite Ashley? You know, and when you have like, eight or 10 people in a group, like, it's also really easy to get, like, leave people out because it's like four people get together over here and then three people over here. It's like, it's so hard to.

Danny (64:07)

Where our friend group has gotten so big. Just dinner reservations were not.

Jordan (64:11)

No. You literally can only invite, like, six max. So then somebody's gonna get left out. And it's like, actually, nothing personal. You're just, like, trying to, like, logistically make things work. And it's just hard. But it seems like for this one people, because of, like, the comments that they're saying now, it seems like they didn't want her around. It wasn't like, they just, like, forgot.

Danny (64:33)

Yeah. I'm surprised anyone's siding with her for writing an essay about this.

Jordan (64:39)

Yeah.

Danny (64:39)

As a famous public figure, so dumb.

Jordan (64:43)

To even bring that attention.

Danny (64:45)

She knows. She knew exactly what was gonna happen. Like, she. This whole, like, victim thing. If you're gonna, like, try and build a brand on victimhood, it'll last. So, like, you'll get it. You'll get the attention in the short term, but, like, long term, it Fades so quick.

Jordan (65:03)

I think the best way to, like, help people through situations like this is to find a mom group that you really like and write the positives that you like about your, like, your friend group and say, like. Or, like, this is what I really want in a friend group. And, like, maybe I've. We've. I've struggled with, like, these themes in the past with, like, inclusion and this and that, but, you know, maybe that just, like, wasn't the right group for me. And, like, what I really appreciate about this friend, you know, and just. But when you write a whole negative, like, hit piece on, like, it's just like, what do you expect?

Danny (65:37)

Yeah.

Jordan (65:38)

It's, like, kind of giving, like, ill. Yeah.

Danny (65:41)

No, it's. She's the odd man.

Jordan (65:44)

A lot of people, like, a lot of influencers.

Danny (65:47)

Hillary Duff's husband shouldn't have said anything. Just big. No, no, no.

Jordan (65:50)

I know. What was he thinking?

Danny (65:52)

What he posts? Or do you write, like, an actual.

Jordan (65:54)

He wrote, like, a story. I mean, he posted, like, an Instagram story.

Danny (65:57)

I mean, I could see. I see how it's funny.

Jordan (66:00)

Yeah, he did, like, a spoofy thing.

Danny (66:02)

Yeah, if it's spoofy, I get it. But, like, no, but, no, it's no bueno. Because then all the other husbands got to get involved, and then it's like, an actual thing, and then it likes. Because usually I find that when the moms have drama in the group, it's like the husbands are kind of just like, let's let it blow over. Like, it'll.

Podcast Host (66:22)

It'll be fine.

Danny (66:23)

Like, we all kind of, like, laugh at y'. All. Unless it's when y' all are fighting.

Jordan (66:27)

Unless it's Demi from Secret Lives of Moral Wives.

Danny (66:31)

And no, her husband got involved, right?

Jordan (66:33)

No, because she called him, and she's like, he touched me. He put his hands on me. And, like, he, like, literally just, like, poked her.

Danny (66:40)

Who did?

Jordan (66:41)

Remember in that scene in Secret Lives, and.

Danny (66:43)

Oh, yes, yes, yes.

Jordan (66:44)

And that's when, like. And then when you get, like, that type of male ego where they're like, I'm protecting my own. Like, then, like, all these males get involved in, like, all of a sudden, they, like, are justified. And. Yeah, he literally, like, poked her, like, dupe. And then she's like, he touched me. And then he's like, did you touch my wife? Don't you ever touch my wife. It's, like, so silly.

Danny (67:05)

I wonder what the average shelf life.

Jordan (67:08)

Of mom group says.

Podcast Host (67:10)

A mom group is.

Danny (67:11)

I. My opinion is that the average shelf life Average. So there's better, there's worse. Is okay if it's. You're a mom group before you have kids. I think the average shelf life is three years. I think if you're a mom group and your kids are at the same school, I think the average shelf life is five years, six years.

Jordan (67:37)

But here's the thing. You're kind of. I think that we have to clarify on mom groups. Typically, like, I think there's the stereotypical mom group that we're talking about has kids in the same grade in the same classes.

Danny (67:49)

Okay. That's a longer lifespan.

Jordan (67:51)

No, I think that's way harder.

Podcast Host (67:53)

Really?

Danny (67:54)

Why?

Jordan (67:54)

A hundred percent. Because you are constantly comparing who got the. Who got the best grade. Sarah got this. Sarah left me out of the birthday party. Like, trust me, I've. I know because my mom was best friends with this lady and, and her daughter was like, Was in my same class. And we weren't even like that good of friends, but we were, we were friends because our moms were friends. Now my mom's friend group, where we were all spread out different ages, that group stayed together. I mean, I think that they were friends for like 30, 40 years because. Because all their kids were in such different stages of life and like, we all were in such different things at different schools, private school, public school, athletes, musicians, that when we got together, it was just like every. Nobody. There was no competition. But I'm telling you, when these girl moms, I've seen it. I've seen it myself. Like when these girl moms get together and all the girls in their same grade and then they find out, well, Sarah and, and Sarah and Michelle, you know, they all went to the lake and they didn't invite, you know, Jessica. And then Jessica's mom is like, well, why wasn't I invited too? No, it's.

Danny (69:02)

Yeah, I get what you're saying.

Jordan (69:03)

It's super hard.

Danny (69:04)

I thought that being in the same class would give you a reason to uphold the integrity of the group longer. Whereas, like, the reason I said the shelf life is before you have kids because what happens is, like, people have kids, people go to different schools, people kind of move away.

Jordan (69:22)

That's a different type of friend group. That's just like friends that have babies, like, that's just. That's going to break up. Sorry. It's going to happen.

Podcast Host (69:28)

Yeah.

Jordan (69:28)

Because you're going to start hanging out with your, your kids, friends, parents that.

Danny (69:32)

Go to the same school.

Jordan (69:33)

Yeah. And I think that those relationships are way harder unless it's A boy and a girl. I think that. That those relationships work really well together. But when you're hanging out with all of your daughter's friends, moms. Oh, my God. I've been in the rooms. Like, when. I remember when I was, like, in fourth grade, and all the moms, all they do is talk about us. All they did was talk about their daughters. And, like, well, you know, Kendall made this, and Danny's the captain of this and this. And then you have this one mom in the corner being like, you know, because her daughter's not mentioned.

Danny (70:08)

The dad's groups are not like this.

Jordan (70:10)

I don't know. It would be interesting with sports. I don't know. Like, I don't know how dads are with. With that. But, like, you know, if they're hanging out with a bunch of.

Danny (70:20)

Yeah, I guess I would have no exposure to it. I mean, I would have. I don't know yet, but I don't think so. I don't think so. I. I can't imagine. Like, I feel like. I feel like we will know that our wives struggle with this, but I feel like we will not give in unless there's.

Jordan (70:39)

I don't know. I think. I think dads and dudes, like, love the drama. Well, you come home and you're like, babe, did you know that? Because this hasn't really happened to me. But, like, there have been times that I see that all of, like, Stella's.

Danny (70:55)

I think that you're saying that because your dad loved the drama.

Jordan (70:58)

No, my dad did love the drama.

Danny (70:59)

Yeah.

Jordan (70:59)

But there's been times, like, that, like, Stella's like. Like, three of her, like, best friends in her class. Like, the moms will all take their daughters to go get their nails done, and they've invited me, like, multiple times. And honestly, we're not able to go. But then I'll see it, and I'll be like, oh, I wish we were there. Like, and it's already and still is, like, five. So imagine whenever they're, like, older, how much, like, if. If Stella's being excluded by these moms and these girls that she wants to be friends with, and I'm being excluded by the moms, it's gonna hurt my.

Danny (71:32)

Feelings, and then y' all are gonna come to me.

Jordan (71:35)

Yeah.

Danny (71:35)

And I'd be like, oh, absolutely not Exactly.

Jordan (71:39)

Yeah.

Danny (71:39)

Yeah.

Jordan (71:39)

I'm just saying.

Danny (71:40)

I mean, I get. I think it. You're right, because I think it would be harder, like, with dads of, like.

Jordan (71:47)

Girl dads, because Stella's.

Danny (71:49)

You're gonna be like, absolutely.

Jordan (71:50)

Stella's gonna be like. Well, like Stella told me the other day, and this I truly like. I'm obsessed with the moms and her. I have literally no nothing. But Stella told me the other day that one of them, I honestly can't remember who, was but one of the moms for her. For her birthday, the mom came and picked up two of the girls from school and took them to lunch. And Stella got upset because she didn't get to go with them. And I don't even remember who it was, but I felt guilty because I was like, if I would have tried to be closer with the moms, then maybe they would have included Stella. Like, you know? And so I'm, like, feeling like, oh, it's my fault now, you know?

Danny (72:31)

Oh, wow. I can't wait for.

Jordan (72:34)

I know.

Danny (72:34)

For kindergarten.

Jordan (72:37)

Anyway, this was fun.

Danny (72:41)

This is a good time. Okay, Bye.

Jordan (72:45)

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