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Foreign. The following podcast is a Dear Media production. Hello, and welcome back to your favorite podcast, de Influenced. Our last podcast was a banger. Everybody agreed with me.
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B
I did. I. I usually never read the comments, but I was like, I want to see who won this debate. And I got slow. Slaughtered. Hands down slaughtered. But I feel like you. You framed it as though I agreed with the Jordan pointing moms.
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A
You believe in telepathy. Okay? It is what it is.
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B
And, like, now I believe that.
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A
Now you're gaslighting me. And you believe in telepathy when telepathy is not real.
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B
No, I don't.
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A
And then you tried to make it sound like I was jealous of people that had telepathy because I don't have the gift of speaking in tongues, and that was not true.
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B
That's hard. That's fair. I. I feel really constricted right now because I really just like. I just like to go down these rabbit holes, and it got real, real on this one. And then you were like, you believe in telepathy? And I was like, I don't really know.
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A
I think what's hard for me is. Is like, so the telepathy was. If that was, like, a standalone situation, I think I would have, like, more empathy, grace, you know, but it was like also the ayahuasca thing where, like, you know, Jordan believes that people can be healed through ayahuasca as well, which.
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B
Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. No, no, no, no, no. I have someone in my life who struggles with addiction, and I. I had heard on the Aaron Rodgers documentary that his teammates was struggling with addiction, went down to Costa Rica, and then basically gave up his addiction, healed his marriage, all that. So for a season.
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A
With another drug, huh? With another drug, yeah.
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B
No, for sure. So. But I. I was very open minded to exploring. Oh, I want to know how this works for addiction. It's also similar to ibogaine, you know.
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A
Which is very different.
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B
The plant based one. Well, yeah, one is like an hilarious hallucinogen. Yeah. And then the other one, I don't think it is hallucinogen.
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A
Not ibogaine, babe. The other one. Ayahuasca.
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B
Yeah. No, but ibogaine's not.
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A
Yeah, no, I'm saying one isn't. What? They're. They're different because one is and one isn't.
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B
Yeah. So I just. I went down the rabbit hole of, oh, well, you know, if this person who struggles with addiction in my life, what if they did this? You know? And I asked a lot of spiritual mentors and we talked about it, and then I was like, oh, I don't. I think that this opens you up to a lot of darkness. And then I shut the door.
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A
Yes, yes.
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So I just don't want you to gaslight me. I'm very thoughtful about these things. You just didn't let me make it through the. The podcast. I. I prematurely talked to you about it. Now I'm going to form very solidified opinions.
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The podcast doesn't matter. I have to tell you something. I never listened to it either.
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B
You didn't listen to the whole thing. Oh, I wonder if people are going to be go and retract their comments.
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A
I didn't listen to it because I saw the experiments. Like, I didn't.
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B
I know, but a lot of people said, hey, just keep, like, listen to the podcast.
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A
No, because I already heard what I needed to hear.
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B
But. Okay, here's. Can I just. Let's not talk about it. But can we. Can I just say one last thing? The only thing I'm bummed about with you not finishing the podcast is. Is I thought you finished the podcast, because the common ground I think we could have found is that non verbal autistic children have a. I don't want to say like a. It's not telepathy, but like, their. The spiritual side of, like, what they experience with God, I think is far deeper and richer than someone who can communicate, you know, know, really, like, understands the world through all. How many senses do we have? Five.
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A
Yeah.
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B
Five senses. Etc. And so there.
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A
Yeah, yeah.
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B
The concept. The concept of the hill and the concept of, like, you know, a lot of them talking about, you know, how they talk about Jesus a lot. They talk about God. Like, I think that stuff is real. I think that those testimonies are real. But yeah, sure, if the moms are pointing and like, subconsciously making them spell. Okay, I'm good with that.
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A
Yeah. I don't know. I just feel like everybody can have a deep relationship with.
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B
No, truly, we get distracted through our five senses.
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A
Honestly, it's like. It's like the scripture in the Bible. That's like money and fame is actually like, one of the most harmful things because it deters you from.
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B
No, exactly. That's what I mean.
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A
Yes. For sure. For sure. Yeah. I've even felt that way.
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B
Yeah. Then we.
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A
Oh, my God. We're like, what are we on the same page?
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B
We're aligned.
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A
We're realigned.
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B
You just got. I mean, you just went off on that one. My goodness. But you want.
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I don't like, when things contradict the Bible, it bothers me.
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B
Yeah, I know. People were like, yes, Danny. Discernment, Danny. Yes.
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A
I just don't like finding.
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B
Did you go look at those comments, too?
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A
No, I actually didn't, but I just got a lot of dms that were like, girl, I totally agree with you. Like, Jordan's off the rocker.
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B
So you knew you won.
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A
I wasn't trying to win. I just. I think that one of my biggest fears, not with you, just in general, is there's so much information these days. And it's so. After reading Revelation, like, it is so scary and it's so easy to find, like, these sources of information and really trust them. And it even says, like, in the end times, like, the Antichrist is going to be like, performing these miracles and like, these things that you've never seen before. And it's so scary to me because like, like, like this Antichrist might be do, like, telepathic. And like, everyone is going to be like, I've never seen something like this. This is of God and it's the Antichrist.
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B
Is the mom from the telephony?
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A
No, it's. No, but they're going to be doing it on like, massive scales. And like, it's going to deceive and trick a lot of people because they're never going to have seen, like, miracles like that. And so I think after reading Revelation, I am so, like, if it is not biblical, it is not of God. And I'm not saying it's demonic, although the Bible does say anything not of God is demonic. And. But demonic doesn't always have to be really scary. It can just be misleading or deceiving. And so that's why I'm like, gonna teach my kids. Like, if you are confused about something, whether it is, you know, what you want to do with your life, who you love, whatever it is, just go back to the Bible and like, sometimes I don't even know the answers. And like, we'll sit down and try to research those answers together and we can try to find. But like, let's not go ask ChatGPT or even like, sometimes these, like, pastors online that have millions of followers, like, because sometimes their clips can even be like, cut in a weird way that are also kind of deceiving. And so I'm just like, take it back to the basics. If you're confused, just go there and then you'll find your answer. So that's, that's really. That's it for me.
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B
Yeah. Can I tell another story of Where I took an L this week. Yeah, just a big L. Okay. So there's a comedy show called Kill Tony.
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A
My gosh, this was so bad.
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B
And I've never been to it. I've never seen it. But Tony Hincliff was one of the guys at the Tom Brady. Tom Brady Roast. And he was, you know, he's really respected in the comedy community, and he does this thing that's kind of like Battle of the Bands, but for comedians. And I always see clips of it on Tik Tok. You know, they typically perform in Austin at Joe Rogan's Comedy Club. And so months ago, I was like, oh, they're coming to Dallas. I'll buy tickets. I bought the Von tickets the same.
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A
Time on Good Friday.
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B
Yeah, I was like, it's. It's good fun. Well, when I bought them, I didn't realize it was on Good Friday. So I buy six tickets, and I'm like, oh, all my guy friends would love to go. So it gets closer, and it's about a week out, and I'm like, oh, I got to figure out if they want to go. And so I start texting people, and they're all like, hey, it's Good Friday. I can't. Hey, I'm going to this service. And I was like, oh, okay, I'm going to. I'm going to LA for family. So I ended up with, you know, five tickets because I was going to go, but I couldn't find anyone who could go with me. And so I first asked Danny, and I was like, danny, you love comedy. Like, let's go on a date night. And so she's like, yeah, I'm in. And so we go to a, like, charity dinner for this phenomenal organization called Men of Nehemiah. And last Tuesday. Last Tuesday. And we meet four other people there. And these at our table. Yeah, these four people are part of a comedy troupe who, ironically, are also now doing divvies TikTok Lives. So it's a long story of how we got there.
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They're actually part of an improv group.
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Yeah, sorry. Comedy troupe. Improv group. So I meet them for the first time, and this is very me. I'm like, hey, you guys are comedians. We have tickets to a comedy show. Would you guys want to come? And they're like, oh, my gosh. Yeah, like, we have some mutual friends, but, like, they know we're, like, the owners of Divi. And I'm like, yeah, like, let's totally. You should. You guys should come.
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They're also Very, like, good. They're all believers.
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B
Yeah. Church people.
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Clean comedy. No cussing, no jokes about sex. Like, you know.
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B
Yeah. So. And I'm like, okay, yeah, maybe there'll be a few dirty jokes here and there. Like, I don't really know, but I'm sure it'll be fine. It'd be like the Ovon. And so Friday rolls around and Danny's like, not excited about this. And I'm confused because Danny's like, I have this horrible feeling about what is about to happen. I'm like, danny, it's at the Majestic in Dallas. Like, we'll get some popcorn, get some Diet Coke. Like, they're adults. They're like, in their 30s. They're fine. Like, they can handle some dirty jokes. And you just had a discernment about it that was borderline hater. And I was like, I kind of like, don't want you to go, and I'm going to go with my new friends. And.
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A
But I was actually just. Side note, I was happy that you invited, like, five or four strangers because we were thinking about inviting, like, these couples that we know a little bit better that we're trying to get close with. And I was like, I'd much rather you invite strangers.
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B
Totally.
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A
Like, we'll just see what happens.
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B
Yeah. Yeah. So we invite these comedians and guys, I kid you not. It was the worst show in terms of crassness and crudeness that I have ever experienced in my life.
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Like, think about the worst thing that in your. Like, think about the worst thought that has ever gone through your mind. And then times it by 10.
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And then.
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And it wasn't even that bad.
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And then multiply that by 45 minute sets. And so it was like, the first comedian came out and it was like, ooh. And then the second, he was okay. Yeah, Was okay. And the second comedian came out and this guy.
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Just like, disgusting, degrading humor about women, about bodies, about sex. Like, and it didn't stop. Like, it was over and over and over. Like, every single one of his jokes was triple X rated.
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B
Yeah. And so to be clear, of these four strangers that we invited, three of them were female and the male was sitting next to me. And it was.
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A
At first, the girls were, like, trying. You could hear. They're like. And then, like, when that second guy came on, they were like, no.
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B
I looked down at our group and our entire row and everyone, all the girls were on their phone, and I was like, oh. I was like, maybe in my mind, I was so uncomfortable that I was like, Maybe if I laugh, then they'll know it's okay, that they can laugh too. And so he, like, sends. He just goes off on this banger of a joke. And it was just so horrible. Like, just evil. Like, it was such an evil joke.
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A
Disgusting. Disgusting.
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B
But I was like. And I laughed. And then I realized that no one was laughing with us. And then Danny, like, elbowed me and goes, do not laugh. And then I go, okay, we've got to get out of here. So now, there was one point with.
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This guy on set where I literally just put my hands down into my. Like this. And I just stayed there for, like, five minutes. I just was like this because I felt it was so awkward. We barely knew these people. They, like, they showed up. It's like a busy Friday night. It's a lot to park. And I'm like, we can't just, like, get up and leave. Also, it was one of those shows where if you get up and leave, the comedian on stage would be like, bye, Susan or, bye, Karen, you know, and, like, call you out so you kind of feel like you're, like, landlocked there.
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B
And so there was this one point where they were, like, joking, and we were all kind of like, like uncomfortable because we don't know each other. So they're like, dude, they, like, just. Is this the real Danny Austin? Does Danny Austin really think that this is funny? Like, who is this person that I thought that I knew that is like. And I'm like. And in my mind, I'm like, danny's gonna kill me. Like, I'm not gonna make it home tonight. Because she's gonna be like, you mortified me. You mortified our family. So I'm thinking about, like, okay, how do I get out of here? And the problem is that we are 45 minutes in to a three hour show. And I'm like, we can't risk it. We're so uncomfortable. And so Danny goes to the bathroom, and I'm like, this is my shot. And so Danny goes to the bathroom, and I go, hey, guys, listen. Danny really wanted to come to this show. I was like. I was like, danny really wanted to come this show. I'm appalled by her. I think we should get out of here. Do you guys just want to come over to our house? No, I didn't say that, but I did say we should get out of here. And everyone was like, yeah. And then they came over and we reconciled things later. But we had to have this really awkward moment where we were like, hey, guys, listen. We know that we invited you to this, but we didn't think that was funny. And they were like, okay. Like we didn't think it was funny either. And we all had to kind of like level set. Like, okay, we all were starting fresh and then they and it was fine.
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A
We actually had a lot of fun. They came over and we ordered pizza and hung out and talked about clean comedy. And yeah, they were great.
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But I, I'm telling you this, do not go to a Kill Tony show. Like, I don't care if you're. You think you're cool with the jokes. There was a guy in our group who had a double header. Like he had bought tickets to the 10 o'clock show and he was going with another friend who wasn't with us. He literally said, hey, I will not go back to that and I'm going to lose my 300. Like it was that bad.
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A
It's just like we were talking about how it's just kind of cheap humor. It's not creative. It's not like it's just gross.
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B
They call it in comedy, we learned this. They call it going blue. And what that means is it's like. It's like when you're going blue, you're just basically reaching out into, like, the bottom of the barrel of your, like, crash jokes. And you know it's gonna get laughs, but it's cheap laughs. That's why, like, John Mulaney and Theo Vaughn and Mike Birbiglia and all these people are. Yeah. Nate Brigazzi. They're so talented because they found a clever way to do comedy that doesn't just scrape from the bottom of the barrel.
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A
Yeah. But it is crazy. Like, so this group, they're in an improv. It's improv. So they had to be very quick on their feet. And they were saying the, like, the hardest form of comedy, though, is stand up. Like, stand up is even more challenging than improv. I would think improv is more challenging because you have.
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B
Why would they. Why were they saying that?
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Because, like, you have to time everything just right. Like, even the spacing between laughs and the transitions. And, like, if. Like, if. If it's not working and you're not getting laughs, it's all on you. But improv, you have a group so you can, like, bounce off of each other, and if someone's not funny, then you kind of bounce and, like, someone can come in and save You. But, like, when it's stand up, you're a loner. I could see that. But, like, to me, I'm like, isn't it rehearsed?
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So it's like, yeah, true. You kind of. You. It's a.
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The hardest.
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It's an art.
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The hardest form of comedy is like, probably what Matt Rife does where it's like kind of a little bit of improv mixed with stand up.
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Oh, crowd work.
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Crowd work. They were saying that's the, like, all time most challenging type of comedy because it's like improv, standup mixed together, isn't it?
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Like, so much of stand up, too, is creating your character. Like, if you go back to Theo Vaughn, like, he wasn't always this kind of like, oh, backwoods redneck type of.
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Character, like, has, like, so like, just honed in on his character and his audience. And his audience. And, like, it's all about, like, being a dad and being a husband and cleaning the house and. Or like, his wife having him clean the house. Stuff like that. Or like, Jim Gaffigan, he's really good at honing in his, like, goofy character. Yeah. You have to find, like, exactly like, your little spot and, like, stick to it.
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But yeah, it's kind of like a lot of people are probably like, yeah, I could totally do that. I could be funny, you know, like, just like, they're like, oh, I could. I could be a content.
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Yeah, I feel like I could do it, I think.
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Do you think you could? I was gonna say, I think I.
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Could do stand up, but not crowd work or improv.
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B
Oh, man.
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A
I think Jordan could do crowd work, and I think I could do stand up.
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B
Thank you.
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Because I'm not quick enough, but I feel like I can put on the show.
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B
I think you could, because there's like, this famous book that all the comedians read. I don't know what it is, but it's all about, like, finding your character and it's like, basically creating your super ego. So this kind of, like, alternate identity.
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Yeah.
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B
And then having that come out on stage.
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Mine would be like a wannabe trad wife that would be like, my. My. My character.
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B
Oh, that's. You've thought about this.
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A
Yeah.
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B
You've really thought about this.
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A
Sometimes I just dream about it at night. You really on stage and everybody's just.
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B
It's so funny because anything that kind of involves, like, a pseudo spotlight, I just always assume that you walk away. Like, if we had gone to, like, a talent show or something, or a stand up comedy show, I Always just assume. You go to bed at night and you're like, could I do that? Yeah, here's how I do it. Like, here's how I would express my super ego. Like, these people, like, I could totally do it better than them. Like, I just always assume that that's what's going.
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A
And I have. I've done this, that. That thought exercise with improv, and I. I actually was in an improv group at one time in my life.
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B
Do tell.
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A
You don't care.
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B
No, I did not know this.
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A
So my mom. This is what. This. My mom actually told me this this past weekend. She didn't have a lot growing up, so she made sure that I had everything. Therefore, she signed me up for every summer camp that Dallas has to offer.
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B
Yeah.
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If there is a type of camp, I have been, I have gone. Whether it is typing camp. I went to typing camp. I went to Spanish camp. I went to comedy camp. I went to. There was, like, a rad radio television film camp where like, we basically were just, like, the news. Like, I went to that camp that was at Green Hill. I have been to every single camp. And now I look back and I'm like, were you just trying to give me a lot, or were you just trying to get rid of me? You know, like, because I was busy the entire summer, sometimes my camps would overlap. So I would go to, like, morning, radio, television, film, and then nighttime was comedy camp. I mean, I was, like, the busiest child ever. So anyway, I went to comedy camp, and they put us in an improv group, and I. I. We did improv, and we had, like, performances at the end. And, like, because this was back when I really wanted to be a Disney star, you know? Like, what girl didn't, though? Like, you know what I mean? Yeah. And so, man, I just thought about all the times I tried out for Disney. That's another story.
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B
How many rejections did you get?
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Every time I tried?
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B
How many times?
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Probably four.
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That's a lot of grit.
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Yeah. I would stand in line at movie theaters. They would do these casting calls at movie theaters, and you would stand in line for hours, three or four hours. Tons of kids to get up there and just totally bomb. But here's the thing. I think you had to pay to try it out, so that definitely wasn't legit. But anyway, so, yeah, we. I did improv. And I remember now, I look back, and I'm like, man, I think the camp counselors were just, like, paid to laugh. But I remember when I did it, I was like, I'm so funny.
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B
Yeah, babe, you are funny, though.
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No, it's okay. I don't need to be funny.
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B
No, Danny, you are funny.
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Thank you, babe.
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B
You know where you're the funniest, though? In your memes. Danny has a really good meme game. Like, she could hang with any dude's group text all day, every day. I mean, they're very well selected, they're well crafted, and they really come out of left field. Like.
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Well, you can't.
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B
You expect, like, Danny to send, like, a heart and she'll send, like, a Talladega Nights meme or something like that, and you're just like, whoa.
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Oh, my. Gotcha. Yeah, I do like the. I love the memes.
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B
Yeah.
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I think in meme, I speak meme.
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B
Yeah. Yeah. And that's. Yeah, that's like every. Every guy's group text is really not words. It's just memes back and forth.
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See, and I'm the only girl in our group that sends memes.
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B
I know.
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A
So I'm kind of.
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B
Were you kind of like a. Were you kind of like a. A guy's girl?
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A
I was more of a. I am such a girl's girl, like, now that I'm older. But when I was little, I was like. When I was, like, in elementary, middle school.
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B
Okay.
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A
All my friends were guys because I would, like, play basketball.
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B
What about college?
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A
No.
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B
Really?
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A
No, I. I turned into. I really became like, myself. And I was like, oh, I don't have to overcompensate and try to be friends with guys. I was like, I love hanging out with girls.
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B
Yeah. We. Speaking of Disney stars, we watched a documentary last night.
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A
Yeah, it was so interesting.
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B
What was it called? Bad Influence. And it was about, like, kid YouTubers.
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A
It's about the. The wild world, the bad world of kid. Kid fluencing.
- [24:45]
B
Yeah. Taylor Lorenz was on it.
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A
So it is crazy because you have all of these huge content houses like Hype House or David Dobrik, who lives with all those. Team 10. Oh, yeah. Team 10. You know, it's funny is like, even before all of this, like, back in my back reminder, when I was 19, I moved out to LA. There were YouTube houses that were even before, like, team 10 and before hype House. So these content houses have been around for a long time. I think back then the youtubers didn't know to call it something and, like, brand it.
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B
Right.
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A
But we all were always trying to, like, collaborate and just, like, move into these content houses, and that's how everyone would afford these mansions. In Los Angeles is because you would split the rent with like five kids, you know. So this mom decided, oh my gosh, like my daughter's like kind of blowing up on musically. That was before it, before TikTok became TikTok it was called musically. She was like, I'm gonna start a, a content house for my daughter. But the difference is Instead of being 17, 18 years old, these kids are 10, 9, 10, 11 years old. And so they started this content group called the Squad. And this mom was managing everyone and she was getting like, I guess 10, 15% of all of their deals. Tiffany, her name was Tiffany. Tiffany Rael. And then she had hired this videographer named Hunter, I believe. And Hunter was actually like an 18 year old, 19 year old videographer who was like secretly her boyfriend. And this mom is like, I mean probably almost in her 40s. And. And so they're managing like this group of super successful, getting like millions and millions of views and subscribers and then come to find out it becomes like this very toxic environment where she is like the mom is like making out with like 16 year olds on live streams and, and telling the kids to do like provocative things on camera to get more views, like showing bras.
- [26:45]
B
She never sent her Piper, she never sent her to school. So she was like never really even like homeschooled or educated. Was all just about money, you know, basically money and growing Tiffany's career and wealth through Piper and these like other co stars that were brought in.
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A
It's pretty scary. And it was good to know like what the kids are doing these days because like I said, I mean, yeah, I started when I was 19, but the 14 or the 10 or 11 year olds when I started were not creating content yet because what they were like six, seven. So now it's kind of good to know what for me and like our kids, it's good to know what like the 8, 9, 10 year olds are into. And it's. It really scared me. Do you think if Stella ever wanted to like create content, what would, what would you do? What would be your rules?
- [27:39]
B
Yeah, so I usually don't agree with many talking points that I feel like, you know, are, I don't want to say come from Taylor Lorenz, but like she made a point that was really good and she said that like we've worked really hard in Hollywood to build these rules and regular regulations around child actors and stars, right? So from their compensation to like you have to like educate them on set, they need to be in school this many hours and she Was like with this new media stuff like YouTube, there's no regulations. Right. And so when a Jake Paul who is 19, 20, moves out to LA and starts team 10 with other 19 and 20 year olds, I see that as like ambitious, cool, interesting, smart, savvy, innovative, etc. When you have a mom doing the same thing and basically like hiring a cast of friends or crew around Piper.
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A
That'S what she would do when, when they would couple off or like ship two couples and if, if one of the members left the group, she would have a casting call for like a new boyfriend for Piper.
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B
Yeah. So like if you, if you ever, if you have like an 8, 7 or 8 year old and they're talking about an online relationship, what do they call them? Like it was like Walker and Piper.
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A
It was, they would have their ship name.
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B
Yep. Piker.
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A
Piker. Piker was the name and it was like hashtag piker.
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B
Yeah. And so if you ever hear yourself.
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A
We were hashtag Jordani.
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B
Yeah. So if you ever hear your 7 or 8 year old talking about something like that online, I think what's scary and super dark about it is like there's probably an adult behind the scenes puppeting and manipulating your 7 or 8 year old to like think and believe that this is like real life show. Like everything that Tiffany had orchestrated was fake, you know, and so it, the friendships were fake. The, it was, it was parents agreeing to let their children be a part of this fake friendship.
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A
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- [32:36]
B
More traditional but okay, so I, I kind of want to like talk about this because I feel like that the medium is so different. Like great example of this. Like Wicked was on in our home last night and you were able to say Stella, Stella was not watching Wicked. It was just on and you were able to say stella, that's not real. That's a show, it's fake. It's fake. But when these kids are watching Piper and they're doing pranks and they're like doing real life things, it's so much harder for a parent to be like, hey, this isn't real. Because it's literally the whole point of the medium is to make people believe that it's real.
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A
No. 100. I totally agree with that.
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B
And so, and so I think that that's why it's a lot more dangerous that there's these moms and parents letting this medium happen, because these things are getting millions upon millions of views. So then theoretically, If Stella is 7 or 8 years old and she's not doing a soy sauce challenge or a slime challenge or an ice cold plunge challenge or something like that, she actually thinks, oh, I'm not having fun. You know, it's like, it's such a weird depiction of life.
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A
It's so hard though, because, like, I remember being 8, 9 years old and getting that big chunky video camera out, and my friend Wesley and I would make up these dances and do these like. Or my friend Kaylee Gaines, we would, we would put on these, like, fake shows and we would film it and we would like. And of course, we didn't have YouTube to upload it to at the time, but we would just make all these home videos and, like, act and like it was. It's just like what every little girl, like, wants to be doing.
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B
Okay. But like. Okay, so where does it go wrong? So a lot of these kids in the documentary are now what, 17, 18.
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A
Yes.
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B
And, and at the time they were.
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A
Maybe they were 10, 11.
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B
10, 11. So fast forward four or five years. And what is so crazy is all of them talked about where things really went awry is when they really started feeling the pressure of views.
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A
Yeah.
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B
Of monetization. Of all the things that made you blow up your life. It's so crazy, the these 17, 18 year old kids, the way that they talk about how they felt and the hamster wheel they were on, you could have put Danny Austin at 32 on that show and she would have said the exact same things. And what was so kind of PTSD for me about watching the show was it showed that there's this kind of cyclical pattern with creators. If you climb to the top, like I would say you did, there's this, this climb that you have to do and there's bits and pieces of your soul that you kind of have to give up along the way and you have to keep pushing through. Like, there was this one line that Piper said. She was like, I really just like want to be home and I just want to be like normal. Right. She was like, I want to move back to Georgia. No, truly though. And it's like, I, I, I don't, I think there's more data coming out where 32 year old Danny can blow up her life in the same way that these 17, 18 year old kids are wanting to blow up their life.
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A
No, they're like, they're like, when I was 12, it was the worst year of my life. That's what they said.
- [35:44]
B
Yeah, it was the worst year of their lives. And it's just, it's so hard because I don't know.
- [35:55]
A
I totally agree. And get what you're saying. It's like creating the video and doing these fun trick shots. That's not where it goes wrong. It's when you start posting it and then you feel the pressure that you have to post another one and another one. And I think the difference between maybe like and I don't know because I've never worked on Disney or worked on the set of a show, but that's a little bit more structured where you do show up to work and you go, maybe on Tuesdays you go film from nine to five, like, you know, and then you just, and you hand the footage off to somebody else and they're in control. But when you're doing it on your own, you have to keep going. You just feel the pressure to, you have to keep posting, you have to keep creating. And then it takes no matter what. Like when, no matter what it is that you do, when you start feeling pressure to do more of it, it, it becomes a job. No matter what it is, whether it's you're a professional athlete, you're a golfer, or you're a YouTuber. What, what's fun about hobbies is that you don't have to do them. You get to, you get to do them. And so I think that's probably where it goes wrong. So maybe the answer is yes, Stella, you can film videos and you can make all this fun content, but until you're 16 years old, it doesn't go anywhere. Like you just keep it or you put it on a channel and it's private for just your friends that follow you. You know, you have like 20 friends or something like that.
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B
Yeah.
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A
And then it's like something that you just do for fun, but you're not reading the comments and being like bombarded with like this Pressure that you have to keep going and going. And I could see why it would be hard on the parents too, because, like, if, if your daughter, like, it's fun for a little bit, it's fun while it's fun, you know, and as you're growing and you're like spiking, but everybody plateaus. Nobody can stay relevant like that long without turning it into a job, you.
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B
Know, or, or again giving up a part of their soul that they might never get back.
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A
No 100%, especially when they're kids.
- [37:45]
B
And so even Mr. Beast, like we talked about this on another episode, he's struggling with the exact same thing. He's like, I keep having to one up myself. And he's like, I'm dying inside because of it.
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A
And it's so dangerous to do that to like a child that's developing, you know, that's not even. Their frontal lobes aren't even like fully developed. I mean, it was dangerous for me at 19. So dangerous at any age.
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B
So, like, what's the answer? Like if, like, hypothetically, like if Stella was 16 and she's like, hey, I want to do this.
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A
You can't hold them back when they're 16.
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B
Well, no, no, I'm not. But let's just say she was taking our advice. Like, is, is the hamster wheel you're going to get on and the burnout that you're going to get on, is it inevitable? Like, if you're going to be a YouTuber is like this whole.
- [38:33]
A
I just think it's different when you're a child. Like, I think when you, if you're 16, 17, 18, and you, that might be a learning experience. I think when you're 12, 10, 11, it's detrimental to like your development. It's just different. Like, and so, yeah, I think if you're the type of person that's gonna get on a hamster wheel and you have to learn a lesson because you, you're a high achiever and you're. I think that's it's, it's still scary at 16, right? But like, I'm just saying I would Never want my 10 year old going through that. They're children, okay?
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B
So let's, let's not make it personal to children. I guess, like you were 19 when you got on the hamster wheel.
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A
Well, I was already on a hamster wheel when I was 10 years old. Did I tell you about all the summer camps I went to?
- [39:17]
B
Oh, okay. So you're saying, like, okay, yeah, there was a thing beneath A thing for you already?
- [39:23]
A
No, but like, yes, but I'm just saying like, okay, so you already are going to struggle with whoever you are when you're 10 years old, but social media amplifies that times a thousand. That would take. If I was the type of person that I was and then you added social media to it when I was 10, I think it would have destroyed my life. That's what I'm saying. I think it would have just been like depression at a younger age, anxiety at a younger age, like so many more detrimental like, like and because I was already that wired that way, like I'm wired the same way that Piper was probably wired. You know what I mean?
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B
I, I guess I, I hear you. I guess what I'm trying to get at is like you're saying like you can't do that to a kid. And what I'm trying to ask is like a more broad question of like can you do social media like in.
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A
A healthy way when you're 10?
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B
No. Not take children out of it. Cuz you, you were older and you still felt like you still had to blow up your life just like these 12 now 17 year old kids had to. Right. So like yeah, you can do it.
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A
I'm doing a healthy way for sure.
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B
Yeah.
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A
But you have to be old enough to have the wisdom to know how to do it.
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B
Yeah. And the wisdom to know how to do it is like don't fall to the trap of feeling like you have to one up yourself. That's the, that's the most, most lethal trap of it.
- [40:40]
A
Yeah. We're actually believing the feedback that you get like your self worth comes from what people are saying. Hey, if a 32 year old like or a 30 year old struggles with it, a 12 year old is going to struggle with it too.
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B
Yeah, that's what I think. That's what I'm saying is like, man, just this whole creator space is big. Yikes. It's hard.
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A
No, I think it's so, it's a blessing like if you can figure it out and do it the right way.
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B
Yeah.
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A
And I think it's so fun and like I, I love it but it's just you got to be careful with it.
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B
They get a lot of hate. But does it make you kind of respect like what the Paul brothers have done, like from a career standpoint, not them as people, but like from a career standpoint, I've always respected them because if you look at it, they started on vine, they got on the grind, then they did the the piper thing, team 10, they did Disney. They did Disney. And then they ultimately now are less. They're investors, they're less dependent on social media, but they've really parlayed their start on social media into more traditional forms of Entertainment.
- [41:52]
A
Yep, absolutely, 100%. Those two are little geniuses. And I've, you know, I. I've met. I met Logan before, and he was so small. He was a little YouTuber at the time. And he found out, I think at that time I had like 120,000 subscribers. And he, like, I mean, that kid just milked me for every little information. He did that to everybody. I met him at Disney World, and he would, like, go up to everyone in our group and be like, what do you do? How'd you grow your channel? What? Like, he was just using everybody to get every little piece of information and apply it to his channel. He was so smart and driven and was networking with everyone. Like, he was just. He wanted it so bad. He worked so, so hard. And all of those YouTubers that I hung out with when I was 19, a lot of them were probably 16, 17, 18 at the time we called it. They called them beauty gurus. Those girls had the, like, most insane work ethic. They were like the Michael Jordans of YouTube. One of the ones that always sticks out to me was Alicia Marie. That girl worked so hard. And they would go and have fun at these events, and then at 6:00, they're leaving because they got to edit and they're gonna go post their video and work on their. Their video and then do it all over again. And they're 16 years old, like, and they're all deciding, hey, I'm not going to go to college because I'm killing it on YouTube. And, like, I always just respected the heck out of them because here's the thing, like, their videos are crazy, but then they got to go sit down for three or four hours and grind and post. And they're strategic and they're learning how to tag things and make thumbnails. And this is before you could hire editors and hire people to. To create content for you. Like, they were not. They were learning every single element. Janine, Janine was like that too. Like, she knew every single. Anytime I bought a camera or a lens or learned how to film in a new way or new. What do you call it when you have to run with a stabilizer. Like, Janine knew all the equipment, all the. And we would. She would just, like, we would all watch YouTube videos about how to edit in new ways and learn new editing software and like, I mean, these kids are geniuses. It's pretty cool.
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B
Yeah, they're hustlers.
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A
They're hustlers. And I, I, I love it. That's what, that's a part of it that I love is that, like, I don't know, you can be creative and strategic and all in one. But, you know, I do want to switch gears a little bit. I want to know. So, Valley, I've been dying to ask you this, but, like, I don't want to ask you in person because I wanted to get your reaction on camera.
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B
Oh, my gosh, I'm so scared.
- [44:19]
A
No, it's not that big of a deal.
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B
Okay.
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A
What did you think about Blue Origin?
- [44:26]
B
Oh, the, the spaceship?
- [44:28]
A
Yeah. Katy Perry.
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B
Can I, can I tell you what I really think is going on behind the scenes? Please? No, no, no, it's not, it's not like a conspiracy.
- [44:39]
A
Wait, before I. Before I guess I should, like, read the little spiel about it so everybody knows because I'm sure you have already heard about it, but this is something that makes you go. Blue Origin space tourism rocket. Successful launch, but poorly received by the public. That's what the topic is called. Blue origin launched its NS31 flight on April 14, 2025 from launch site 1 in West Texas. Carrying all an all female crew. The flight, which lasted 11 minutes, took the crew to the edge of space, reaching an altitude of 62 miles. The flight featured six passengers. Aisha Bow, Amanda Nugent, Gayle King, Katy Perry, Carrion Flynn and Lauren Sanchez. The new shepherd rocket is designed for reusability and is fully autonomous. With no pilots on board, this flight made history as the first all female space crew since Russian Cosmo Cosmonaut Valentina Tereshkov solo flight in 1963. However, following the launch, it received a ton of bad press for being out of touch, many pointing out to the current financial state of the U.S. and other issues that need to be dealt with.
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B
Sorry, you lost me at the.
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A
Okay, I'll just tell you what I think and then. No, you tell me first. Okay, I'll not tell you. I am so sick. I'm so sick of women. Just on other women. Like, I don't understand, like, what the big deal is. Like, I think it's so cool they went to space. Katy Perry went to space. That is so cool. And I'm sorry. Like, it is brave to go 62 miles up in the air and all these women are crapping all over them. Like, this should have been. This could have been used for other. Trust me, it isn't going to be. So like, let these women just go to space and like, let them see space. Like, it's so freaking cool. And like, why are we all over them? Like, be proud of them, be excited for them. I want to go to space. Like, that would be amazing. And like all these women did work hard and they're sorry. Like, are you on the spaceship? No. Well, so like they actually are doing like amazing things in their life. Whether it's Katy Perry or Lauren Sanchez married to a billionaire. Are you married to a billionaire? No. Like, so what she did is like pretty cool. Like, we should be proud of all these women. Like, I just don't understand. And like, yeah, if they want to put their lipstick on in space, let them put their lipstick on in space. I just am so over, like women crapping on other women. Like, for literally they didn't do anything wrong. If you don't like it, then turn it off. Like, I just don't understand. It just bothers me so much. They didn't harm anyone. And it's just like all these people that are pissed off, like, I'm sorry you're jealous or self righteous. Like you just are. You're. You're self righteous if you truly think that the money spent on that whatever was going to be used in other like, like ethical ways. If, if you want to put your money where your mouth is, then you go help people and you go spend all your money. Like, it's just so annoying to me. It's so annoying when women are just mean to other women.
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B
Clip it, clip it, clip it. Biatch. Clip that biatch.
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A
It pisses me off so much. Like when you see other women like hitting these milestones and they're doing cool things with their life, you don't see the hours in the studio that Katy Perry is working on this or the hours that some girl is spending editing or the hours that some girl is studying, whatever. Like, there is always a behind the scenes where they are working their booties off and then they get to do this really cool thing like go to space and like, wow. Like, let's just crap all over it because they did all this hard work behind the scenes. Like, it's so annoying.
- [48:18]
B
This is about the hate you got on your lake house pisses.
- [48:21]
A
No, I'm just saying Danny got.
- [48:24]
B
Listen, I. There's only a couple places these types of rants come from. It is not, it's not Danny defending Katy Perry. This is About. She got a couple mean comments. 5 of probably 5000.
- [48:37]
A
I'm not talking about myself and she.
- [48:40]
B
People were like, this is so out of touch. You buy the lake house. This is. What?
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A
No, I didn't go off queen. I didn't say that. But here. It's the thing. It's never a good time to go to space. It's never a good time to buy a lake house. It's just never a good time. So, like, you're just always going to get shut on just saying.
- [48:57]
B
Preach. Yeah. You know, you're midway through that rant, and I was like, whoa, this is not the take. I thought you were gonna have to be honest. Honestly, what I thought you were gonna say is, like, who cares if it's all female or not? Like, we're going to space. Like, I thought you were just gonna be more excited about space exploration.
- [49:18]
A
I am so excited about space exploration. And I'm so excited about the fact that it could become a form of tourism. And here's the thing. Sign me up. I would go to space.
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B
Yeah.
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A
And I would also go. I would also go skydiving every weekend.
- [49:32]
B
If I could, but she will not speaking to MassMutual, our life insurance policy company. She will not and is not going. Just to be clear, skydiving every weekend. And we will call you first before she goes to space, but I will.
- [49:46]
A
Do not void our policy one day.
- [49:49]
B
Okay, well, we'll talk to them about it.
- [49:51]
A
It is a goal of mine.
- [49:52]
B
We will. We will pay that extra premium every year so that Danny can go to space.
- [49:56]
A
And when I get off, I will kiss the ground just like Katy Perry did. It wasn't that big of deal. And also, did you see the tweet from Wendy's?
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B
Yeah. They were just stirring stuff up, though.
- [50:05]
A
That's just kind of rude.
- [50:07]
B
It's rude. Yeah.
- [50:08]
A
But, you know, I'll still buy their burgers. I do love those square patties.
- [50:13]
B
We've never been to Wendy's together.
- [50:14]
A
I grew up going to Wendy's. It was actually called the Wexon. It was the Exxon. And the Wendy's were merged together and we would always meet at Wexon.
- [50:20]
B
Got it.
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A
And I used to love those big potatoes they had. Wendy's had big potatoes. Anybody?
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B
Yeah.
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A
So good.
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B
It. Can I just ask a couple questions about this? It is a. It is a pretty random group of women they chose. No, it's pretty random.
- [50:35]
A
I love that.
- [50:36]
B
Oh, you love that. Okay.
- [50:37]
A
Making new friends, hanging out. You got a singer hanging out with another female. Wasn't she a female astronaut? One of them, yeah. And then you got Gayle King over there. Like, she's, she's Gayle Queen in my eyes.
- [50:49]
B
Yeah, well, it's tough to top that.
- [50:54]
A
So what did you think, though? Just from the get go?
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B
I honestly didn't think about it that much. The only thing I did think was I was like, I, I just didn't think about that.
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A
I really didn't like, this is my Roman Empire.
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B
Yeah, I know it really stirred you guys up, but. No, I thought it was basically what I think is that billionaires, when you get to that level, I think that they all just fight with one another, but in very subtle ways. And I, my true belief is that Elon in the billionaire class is just dominating so hard across all fronts. And SpaceX is getting so many headlines that I felt like Jeff Bezos was like, you know what? F this.
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A
Yeah.
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B
Like, I'm gonna go get a headline.
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A
But it's like, I'm gonna send my girl to space.
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B
Yeah. And he was. And, and Lauren, his wife, was like, honey, we need to, we need to crush this Elon man and let me get my friends together and you send us to space and we're gonna get all the headlines. And I really feel like it was almost as simple as that. It was like I, Jeff Bezos needed a PR hit both for his own dopamine, for his ego, and for his space company. And he concocted this. And I genuinely believe that it's a difference. It's a fascinating take on different, like, communication styles. Like, Elon is very like, like communicating with the people through X. He gets the Internet, he gets memes. Like, he gets how to like, really communicate in this, like, Internet age. And to me, what Blue Origin did was such a, like classic PR kind of three years too late, like, headline story that I think he just was like a little bit out of touch with how he did it.
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A
So wait, so is Blue Origin going to like, take other people, like other people up into space if you pay? It's kind of like the submarine thing.
- [52:41]
B
No, Danny. But like Jeff Bates, this is what's so fascinating. People just sleep on this.
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A
Well, because we've got, we've got two.
- [52:48]
B
Billionaires going to say the founder of Amazon, which we buy all of our crap from, and like the, the founder of Tesla and Space X and X and PayPal. We've got two billionaires racing to space, multibillion dollar ventures and they're, you cannot think that they're just sitting there playing nice with one Another, like, when you get to that level, it's like, you. It's like, you mommy bloggers, y'all are competitive as ish with one another. And, like, it's like, oh, she got that code that bad. Like, and like, you cannot believe that these two.
- [53:25]
A
I do alpha. I hate when a girl gets a coat over me.
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B
These two alpha males are not sitting here being like, I am just dead inside with how many headlines that SpaceX is getting. Do you get what I'm saying? Like, that's what's most fascinating to me about the whole story is, like, just watching these billionaires duke it out, fight it out in the headlines and in the press and.
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A
Would you go to space?
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B
You know, I don't know.
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A
I would go so hard, I'd go yesterday.
- [53:52]
B
I know you love that rush.
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A
I do. I usually feel something.
- [53:56]
B
Yeah, you know, her. Her dopamine receptors were pretty crushed by.
- [54:00]
A
The YouTube algorithm at 19 years old. This is what happened to you. You'll start skydiving every weekend.
- [54:05]
B
Yeah, her. Her. Her dopamine receptors were fried at 20. She's been chasing high ever since.
- [54:12]
A
So true. So true.
- [54:14]
B
Yeah. So, I mean, that's interesting. Let's all just.
- [54:18]
A
Yeah, let's all just, like, chill on.
- [54:21]
B
Yeah. Do you agree with me, though? Like, could you see it?
- [54:27]
A
The billionaires fighting?
- [54:28]
B
Yeah, this is billionaires, like, fighting over.
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A
Press right now, 100%.
- [54:31]
B
It's like, Elon saved those two people from the space station. And then he was like. And like, I think it's driven because this is what happens is, like, all the husbands of these mommy bloggers, we get competitive because then our wives are competitive.
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A
I feel like. I do feel like, you know, Lauren.
- [54:45]
B
Science says was like. Was like, this cannot happen. You are Jeff Bezos. You are going to win. Like, Blue Origin can kick spaces, Space X's, but, like, let me get my friends and let's go to space.
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A
Next thing, we're going to have Mark Zuckerberg up in space.
- [55:01]
B
Yeah.
- [55:02]
A
He's struggling, but he's got his chains on and he looks pretty good.
- [55:06]
B
You know, that was a strategy. Yeah, There was, like, leaked text that he, like, he. There was leaked text between him and his board member that he said that. I want to say he wanted to rebrand. He wanted to rebrand to communicate with millennials. Well, and that's why he got into Gen Z. I thought no millennials at the time. He was like, this was years ago. He was like, I'm seeing a shift in communication.
- [55:27]
A
I love his rebrand.
- [55:30]
B
It's a good rebrand.
- [55:31]
A
He looks great, and he's, like, all jacked and stuff. I love it.
- [55:35]
B
Yeah.
- [55:35]
A
I love the chain with the T shirts and the sneakers.
- [55:39]
B
It's so funny. Even these billionaires out here just trying to be relevant, too. That's all we all want. We all just want to be relevant, you know? We all just want. Hey, listen to my podcast. Hey, tell me I'm good. Tell me I'm wordy. Give me some views.
- [55:54]
A
Tell me you like my necklace. Man, that's funny. Babe, have you heard about the dire wolves?
- [56:02]
B
Yeah.
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A
Why? Why?
- [56:09]
B
I just don't want to talk about. I mean, it's not fun to talk about conspiracy stuff anymore.
- [56:14]
A
Why? Because I'm like, it's not biblical. Yeah.
- [56:19]
B
Yeah. I don't want you to, like, lecture me for an hour and a half about how reproducing genes is not biblical. It's like, I know, Danny, but there's dire wolves. Like, can we just have fun with it?
- [56:29]
A
No, I won't say anything. Tell us about the dire wolves.
- [56:31]
B
I actually don't know enough about it. I know that. What I do know is that why don't you read the thing first?
- [56:37]
A
Okay, so this is Jordan's conspiracy hour.
- [56:40]
B
Stop. No, it's fine, babe.
- [56:43]
A
I'm. It's fine. Just.
- [56:44]
B
No, you guys. And I read the comments. I read the comments in the last Spotify episode. I'm done.
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A
I didn't even read them.
- [56:50]
B
I'm done sharing cool things with you guys. I'm done talking about fringe topics like, let's play this straight, Lace.
- [56:55]
A
Infinite fringe.
- [56:56]
B
Let's talk about the weather.
- [57:01]
A
Stop. You're being, like, a little hormonal. Did you take your testosterone today?
- [57:11]
B
I feel so gaslit right now.
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A
You're being kind of hormonal. Now you know how it feels. Okay, so, dire wolves brought back from extinction. Colossal Biosciences, based in Dallas, has announced the birth of three dire wolf pups, marking what they claim to be the world's first successful de extinction of an animal. The company achieved this by using ancient DNA extracted from fossils, cloning, and gene editing techniques to alter the genes of a gray wolf, the dire wolf's closest living relative. These pups, named Romulus, Remus, and Colossi, are essentially Khaleesi.
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B
Khaleesi from Game of Thrones?
- [57:54]
A
I'm sorry, I never watched that. Are essentially hybrids carrying some dire wolf genes, but primarily possessing a gray wolf genome. Hybrid nature. The pups are not 100% genetically identical to the extinct dire wolf. Okay, then you didn't bring them back, but they share many of its characteristics. Colossal Biosciences hopes this technology could be used to help endangered species and prevent future extinctions. Interesting experts are raising questions about the wolf's future ecological role and the potential for their introduction to wild habitats. What if this is, like, the thing that messes up our whole ecosystem?
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B
I mean, are we playing God? For sure. Yeah, for sure. I mean, we're bringing back. Did you see the. The woolly mammoth mice that they have?
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A
No.
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B
They mix the genes of, like, mice and woolly mammoths. Look at them. They're the cutest things in the world. So I'll tell a story while you're looking that up. So I have been to probably three different dinners with, like, investment groups. Not for divi. Just, like, people. And, oh, my gosh, they're crazy little mice. And I have asked three different groups, who is the most interesting entrepreneur that you've ever invested in? And three different groups have said, Ben Lamb, the guy who founded Colossal Biosciences.
- [59:20]
A
Really?
- [59:21]
B
He's Dallas based, you know.
- [59:22]
A
Oh, yeah. You have talked about this before.
- [59:24]
B
Yeah. And I didn't understand it at the time because they were like, yeah, Ben Lamb is the most interesting person I've ever met. Most interesting person I've ever talked to. And I would say, why? And he was like, well, he's trying to bring back the woolly mammoth. And I go, yeah, why? And then they're like. They're like.
- [59:39]
A
They're like, why? We could be sending women to space.
- [59:43]
B
Well, no, I asked why? And I go, how are you going to make money from that? And he did a long episode on how they're going to make money, but I still don't really get it.
- [59:52]
A
Maybe they'll just have, like, a show. Like a show where we can go see everything. That's so interesting. Well, do you think we should still do it? Should we still also. What's a direwolf?
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B
I think it's like a. I don't know what age it's from, but it's like a very, very old giant wolf.
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A
Let's see.
- [60:16]
B
They were giant.
- [60:18]
A
Oh, this is like. Okay, this is giving Vampire. No, Twilight. This is giving Twilight. This is giving Jacob.
- [60:34]
B
Yeah. Jacob was a direwolf.
- [60:35]
A
Was he?
- [60:36]
B
No.
- [60:36]
A
I don't know.
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B
I know. I have no idea.
- [60:38]
A
He looks like one. Well, that's cool.
- [60:41]
B
Okay. Are we just gonna gloss over that the Pope died? I don't know if we should talk about it.
- [60:47]
A
We can talk about it.
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B
Yeah.
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A
Do you have a lot of thoughts?
- [60:49]
B
No, I just feel like it's insensitive to not acknowledge that the Pope died.
- [60:53]
A
Yeah. He was 88.
- [60:55]
B
Yeah.
- [60:55]
A
Yeah. What would you like to say about that?
- [60:59]
B
Well, I just watched that conclave movie.
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A
Okay.
- [61:03]
B
It wasn't. Well, I just. The process of voting in a new Pope was really well documented through this conclave movie.
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A
Okay.
- [61:10]
B
And it's. It's very, very fascinating, the ceremony that they go through to vote in a new Pope. Everyone should watch this movie. It is so, so good. I don't. I don't think it won any Oscars. Yeah. So they bring in all the high ranking priests or bishops. Don't know the terminology. And everyone has to vote. And it doesn't it have to be a unanimous vote on who the no new Pope is? Yeah. And they will vote for weeks and weeks and weeks until it is a unanimous vote on who is a new Pope. But this conclave movie does a really good job of kind of feeling out the politics and the power struggle that go along with it. And they do a really good job of not, like, demonizing the Catholic Church, but also kind of just like drawing out the human nature of, like, wanting to be this most powerful position in the land.
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A
Just watch the movie in the land.
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B
So great.
- [62:08]
A
So, Pope, I saw JP's post on Pope Francis and how he, like, modernized the Catholic Church.
- [62:17]
B
Yeah. Isn't that what he's known for?
- [62:19]
A
More welcoming, more inclusive? He, like, less judgmental. Because in the past, were the Popes pretty, like, traditional? He was less judgmental of new ideas, like letting divorces. Divorcees, like, into the church being more welcoming, more loving, less strict.
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B
Yeah.
- [62:41]
A
Well, that's how Jesus was, so that's good. Rip Pope Francis gears a little bit. Can we just talk about one highlight of our weekend?
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B
Oh, are you doing my Stratton? Guys, I only think. I. I can't tell the story. I'll cry. I mean, you tell it.
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A
So we bought a lake house, and it has been like one of the. We've only been to this lake, like, three times, but every time we go, it has been like the best thing for our kids. Especially after reading that Anxious Generation by Jonathan Haidt. It's like, you know, the whole thing is they encourage outdoor play. Letting your kids get hurt, letting them figure it out on their own. And the sad thing is, living in Dallas, you just can't do that. You can't just, like, let your kids roam around outside. It's too dangerous. But at the lake, you kind of can, because they run around in these Groups of like, there's. They have this, like, these little packs of like, like packs of dire wolves, of direwolves. But they're all like, you know, five to eight years old. And they run around in packs and they go fishing and they go look for bugs and just like run around with no shoes on and go hit golf balls. It's just like the coolest thing. And so Stella, like, warmed up pretty quick. Like, she's kind of loving it. But Stratton is still like our indoor cat. He's scared of the ladybugs. He has to have his shoes on. He's scared of the grass. He doesn't like the texture, but it's just so great. It's the first time where you can just kind of throw your kid outside and say, hey, figure it out. So we went to the park one day. You have this really cool wooden park, and all the kids run up this hill and run across a bridge to another person's house, which that's the other best thing about this lake is kind of like the 90s. They just pop in and out of houses. They just run around. Oh, it's Susan, huh? Or Susan. Why did I say, is, you know, Natalie home? And no. Okay, so they go to the next house, knock on the door, and they just run inside. Well, all the kids, the pack of wolves ran to this, this other kid's house. Well, Stratton had no shoes on and he had to run up a hill and across the bridge on his own. Typically, what he does or what he did was he looks back at mama and he said, mama starts screaming, crying, come get me, come get me. And typically, you know, I run over there and I help him out because, you know when your little boy's crying for you, that's what you're going to do. But I decided at the lake, I said, no, I'm going to let him cry it out. Figure it out. He needs to gain some independence.
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B
And I mean, when we say hill, we're talking like a five foot hill here.
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A
It's a tiny little hill.
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B
I mean, we were like, he can do this.
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A
So he runs up halfway up the hill. And so that's three feet. And he decides that he can't do it. So all the adults are sitting at the park and all the moms are like, hey, he's crying. I'm like, guys, do not look at him. Let him figure this out. So I let him cry it out for probably 10 minutes. And he's just stuck on the hill. He is like. And I Look at him. One time I go, stratton, you can do this. You can run up the hill and cross the bridge. You can do it. And then he is just, mommy, come get me. And we all kind of turn our backs and we're all just, like, talking. And I can see him from my peripheral, and he will not move. Ten minutes go by, I'm screaming, crying, and it's like this, like, wave of confidence just hit him. And he looked over at the bridge and he just decided, I'm going to full send, y'all. I have never seen my child run this fast. He has his arms, like, flying, like he is, you know, Usain Bolt. He runs up the hill, crosses. And of course, because he's three, his arms are, like, flailing, like. And he crosses the bridge. It's literally in that moment, he goes, I am Spider Man.
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B
I am Spider Man.
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A
And it was like this vision of Stratton running off into the sunset across the bridge on his own and joining his other friends. It was just momentous.
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B
I really genuinely think that when he gets married one day, I will tell this story and be like, and then.
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A
You never came home.
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B
Yeah. No, it's just. It was.
- [66:59]
A
You ran across the bridge and you never came back.
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B
It's really, like, so sentimental to us, but other people are like, okay, cool. Like, your son made it up a hill. But, like, it just was so powerful.
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A
It was so powerful because not only.
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B
Thought about it every day.
- [67:12]
A
No, it was just like a moment, like, Jordan shed a tear.
- [67:15]
B
I did. It was because I. I want. It's so important for us to, like, not, like, he's gotta. He's gotta, like, get that grit, you know? I know it's so hard as a parent because you wanna. You wanna baby them, but, like, he's gotta do it.
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A
And then Stella held a centipede.
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B
Yeah, she did.
- [67:33]
A
She held a centipede.
- [67:34]
B
That was shocking.
- [67:35]
A
That was shocking. So. Because our kids don't like bugs.
- [67:38]
B
And she scraped her leg. And she very explicitly was like, hey, I scraped my leg, but I don't need a band aid. And I was like, you're so tough.
- [67:45]
A
No. She goes, I scraped my leg. I am bleeding. I didn't cry, and I don't need a band aid. And I was like, 24 hours at the lake, and look at this. I mean, we are making big moves like, it was insane. It is so good for our kids to be outside like that.
- [68:00]
B
Yeah, we were. I mean, we had some indoor cats on our hands, for sure.
- [68:03]
A
I mean, it's not our fault. Like, what are we gonna do?
- [68:05]
B
I know. A bunch of tabby cats.
- [68:07]
A
We had a dragonfly run, like, fly into our house. And they got scared. They got stuck on the stairs. And I was like. And I was like, guys, the dragonfly. I was at the top of the stairs. I go, guys, the dragonfly is not gonna hurt you. I go, watch mommy. And I go down the stairs, and the dragonfly started to fly. I go. And then they started screaming, crying. I was like, sorry. I wasn't raised outdoors either. I'm kind of an indoor cat. But anyway, it was so fun. I want to go back.
- [68:43]
B
Last thing that we'll end on is shout out to Danny and Jordan being nominated EY Entrepreneur of the Year.
- [68:53]
A
Yes.
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B
So if you can go vote, then go vote.
- [68:56]
A
Oh, you have to open to the public.
- [68:58]
B
No. But if anyone works at EY, just shoot an email out and rally for us.
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A
Oh, not only that, but shout out. Because Divi was voted, like, Cosmopolitans. Like, hold on, let me get it. When this is a big deal. Hold on, hold on. Okay, here we go. Oh, Divi has been officially nominated for the Cosmopolitan readers Choice Beauty Award, and the voting link is in. So we'll post the link and you guys can vote for that. That's kind of a big deal.
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B
Is cosmitolatin big?
- [69:36]
A
Yes, Cosmo.
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B
Anyway, fuego.
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A
Well, thank you guys for listening to this episode. We love you guys. Make sure you follow us on TikTok and Instagram for the most hilarious clips of your life, and we'll see you guys later. Bye. Please note that this episode may contain paid endorsements and advertisements for products and services. Individuals on the show may have a direct or indirect financial interest in products or services referred to in this episode.