Nothing Is Safe From De-Influencing

Summary

De-Influenced with Dani + Jordan

Episode: Nothing Is Safe From De-Influencing

Date: June 4, 2026 | Host(s): Dani & Jordan | Producer: Dear Media

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Overview

In this insightful and candid episode of De-Influenced, Dani and Jordan dig deep into the realities behind moving, social media-driven travel envy, the roots of personal drive, and how the narratives we accept about history influence our worldview. The couple weaves humor and vulnerability throughout their banter, challenging each other and their listeners to reconsider mainstream narratives—from influencer life and social comparison to biblical timelines and the true story of the Alamo. This episode is a quintessential example of “de-influencing,” as Dani and Jordan dissect everything from the moving industry to the foundational stories we’re taught in school.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Moving Madness, Packing Styles & Expensive Cities

00:17 – 06:00

• Dani’s deep-dive into moving companies: Dani passionately discusses her obsession with comparing Dallas vs. Nashville moving companies, critiquing overpricing and competitive advantages. She shares her people-pleaser tendencies and the emotional labor of breaking it off with vendors.
  • “It makes me sick to my stomach that I have to be like, listen, I know we had a great 14 minute call... but it’s just not going to work out.” – Dani (01:33)
• Organization differences: The couple contrasts their approaches – Dani meticulously plans and labels, Jordan prefers post-move chaos.
  • “I want everything, like, color coordinated. I want… a list on the box of everything that’s in there… I don’t want to just get to the new house and be like, okay, here’s all your boxes…” – Dani (04:18)

2. Luxury Moving Services & Family Travel Fantasies

06:09 – 12:00

• Discovering luxury move management: Dani describes high-end services that handle decluttering, strategy, storage vs. rental logistics, and even encourage families to leave town during the move.
• Ambitious travel ideas: The couple riff on the prospect of going to Tokyo, Italy, or a Disney cruise, debating family travel logistics with their four kids, bouncing between seriousness and self-aware humor.
  • “You’re too big for your britches.” – Jordan (10:13)
  • “All bark, no bite. That is so me.” – Dani (10:17)

3. Social Media, Envy, and Being Present

12:13 – 15:00

• Social media fatigue: Jordan opens up about the anxiety and “less than FOMO” he feels from TikTok, while Dani admits she’s more immune, except when it comes to travel posts.
  • “When I scroll, it actually gives me anxiety... I don’t like, oh, you feel a little like less than FOMO.” – Jordan (12:28-12:42)
  • “I could look at a girl in a bikini with a six pack, and I feel nothing.” – Dani (13:45)

4. The Hustler Mentality: Couponing, Estate Sales, & Family Traits

20:20 – 27:00

• Frugality and hustle: Dani reflects on becoming like her couponing, frugal mother—embracing “rat holes” (side hustles for small wins) and estate sales, while recognizing the need to value her time.
  • “I’d rather go down a rat hole and make $500 in a week than $500 million doing something I don’t love.” – Dani (21:57)
• Self-awareness & generational patterns: Jordan assures Dani: “You are not becoming your mother,” but credits her family’s “extreme ingenuity” and “hustle culture.”

5. Motivation: Revenge, Drive, and Proving Yourself

27:09 – 34:44

• The power (and danger) of proving people wrong: The duo explore different sources of motivation—from Michael Jordan’s “revenge” energy to Matthew McConaughey’s internal competition.
  • “A lot of the people that he played with and against in the room... He’s like, everyone in the room knows he’s the greatest. And he’s like, you guys made this monster.” – Jordan (28:02-28:30)
• Personal reflections: Both reflect on trying to prove themselves—either against real people or “enemies invented in your head.”

6. Adversity, Childhood, and The Making of “Greats”

34:44 – 38:36

• Adversity as fuel for greatness: From Taylor Swift to Elon Musk, the theme emerges that struggle, rejection, or bullying are common among high achievers.
  • “You don’t find a great at whatever they’re great at that didn't face some intense adversity…” – Jordan (32:06)
• Parenting paradox: Does raising happy kids inhibit the development of drive? The couple ultimately advocates balance and humility.

7. Deconstructing Historical Narratives: Genesis, the Age of the Earth, and the Alamo

39:44 – 71:16

The Bible, Ancient Civilizations, and the Problem of Time

41:16 – 59:56

• Book recommendations for history and theology buffs: Jordan’s formula is:
  • The Unseen Realm (theology, Genesis, angels)
  • Fingerprints of the Gods – Graham Hancock (secular ancient civilizations)
  • Tim Albarino’s work for bridging spiritual/secular
• Debating “young Earth” vs. “old Earth”:
  • Jordan explains how Eusebius, under Constantine, attempted to reconcile biblical timelines with ancient Egyptian records by converting “years” to “lunar months,” essentially changing history to fit Christian doctrine (46:42 – 52:13).
    • “He just kind of made it up. He just, like, was trying to figure it out, how to make it make sense.” – Dani (52:13)
  • Challenges literal interpretations—“I don’t interpret the time in Genesis literally… I just don’t think our comprehension of time is what God’s comprehension of time is.” – Jordan (57:24)

The Alamo, Texas Pride, and History’s Messy Truth

63:11 – 71:16

• Rethinking “remember the Alamo”: After encountering the book “Forget the Alamo,” Dani and Jordan dig into the uncomfortable truths about Texas history, slavery, and the way stories are simplified in textbooks.
  • “Nothing is as what it seems... All mainstream history has tried to do is put a nice fancy bow on a very... a simple bow on a complicated problem.” – Jordan (67:16; 69:29)
  • On the textbook narrative: “Like, all of these fifth grade history books I read, I’m like, you guys don’t even know what you’re talking about.” – Jordan (69:47-69:57)
• The humility of studying history: The biggest takeaway is the humility required to look at history with an open mind, acknowledging bias and complexity.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On comparison and changing priorities:
  • “I could look at a girl in a bikini with a six pack and I feel nothing.” – Dani (13:45)
  • “You have to have a chip on your shoulder to have drive... How are you motivated if you don’t have some chip on your shoulder?” – Jordan (31:08)
• On family cycles and hustle:
  • “You, Stella, and your mom are all the same person. Y’all have... extreme couponing, extreme frugality, but extreme ingenuity—Hustler. Hustle culture.” – Jordan (24:32)
• On the storytelling of history:
  • “Is history written by the victors?... If you really understand history from every single side, I feel like it’s got to make you so humble.” – Jordan (68:11, 70:38-70:46)
• On biblical history and manipulation:
  • “So Eusebius said, those aren’t real years. Those are lunar months of 30 days. Now... suddenly it fits, problem solved. That was the new Earth model that was created and, like, stamped by the Roman Empire.” – Jordan (51:53)
• Laugh-out-loud couple banter:
  • “I would probably start my own moving company, to be honest.” – Dani (07:31)
  • “I just want to go to Tokyo.” – Dani (11:14)

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Key Timestamps for Major Segments

• Moving company drama, packing styles: 00:17 – 06:00
• Luxury move management & family travel: 06:09 – 12:00
• Social media, envy, being present: 12:13 – 15:00
• Furniture decisions, estate sale “rat holes”: 20:20 – 24:51
• Couponing, becoming like your parents: 22:03 – 25:37
• On motivation—proving people wrong, drive: 27:09 – 31:16
• “Greatness,” adversity, raising resilient kids: 32:06 – 38:36
• Book club: ancient history, Genesis, Graham Hancock: 41:16 – 44:39
• Young Earth vs. Old Earth, Eusebius’ legacy: 45:55 – 54:58
• The Alamo and Texas myths debunked: 63:11 – 67:16
• Rethinking history, the call for humility: 70:38 – 71:33

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Final Thoughts

This episode exemplifies the “de-influencing” mission—encouraging listeners to question surface-level narratives (from luxury moving companies to the foundations of history), and to appreciate the complicated, often messy reality beneath. Dani and Jordan’s willingness to voice their uncertainties, challenge each other's ideas, and reflect on their own growth provides an engaging, relatable listen. The episode is sprinkled with humor, vulnerability, and a deep desire to spark curiosity—making it valuable for anyone wanting to dig below the surface.

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For life advice, a fresh take on influence, or a deep-dive into history (with a side of laughs), this episode is not to be missed.

Transcript

[A]

Foreign. The following podcast is a Dear Media production. Hello and welcome back to your favorite podcast, de Influenced. What's up, babe? Are you on your phone?

[B]

We're so dressed up.

[A]

No, I. I've been dressing up like, like every day. Just. I wouldn't say every day, but I've been wearing like, you know, normal clothes that someone would wear in public.

[B]

Why?

[A]

I know. I think I'm just getting my pink back.

[B]

You for sure getting your pink back. I was a little scared of you yesterday there. You had that, that just like, just like energy, you know?

[A]

Oh, I don't know what you mean.

[B]

Like, you were like, just like ready to get stuff done, you know? You were like, oh, like photo shoot.

[A]

Like, I was being myself.

[C]

Yeah, you're like, being yourself.

[A]

Yeah, I know.

[B]

And you've been packing up the whole house. And I try and stay away during those times.

[A]

I have talked to so many moving companies.

[B]

I know you're always on the phone with moving companies.

[A]

Yeah, I talked to about two or three a day. And it's. It's so hard for me because, like, you know, like whenever you talk to someone and they're like telling you, like, their services, and then you're like, oh, yeah, that'd be great. And you're like, this is my situation. And you just like, tell them so much about your situation, but then it's like, I don't know, I'm gonna hire you, you know, and it's like, that's always just. And then like sometimes, like, I'm talking to them, I'm like, I know that I'm not, but I'm like, okay, you know what, Let me talk to my husband and then let me just get back to you. So now I have like four or five people that are like, waiting for me to get back to them.

[B]

Oh, I do that all the time.

[A]

No, I know, but like, babe, because you're not a people pleaser. Like, I am. Like, I, like, I. I truly feel like I'm about to break up with somebody. Like, like a boyfriend. Like, it. The. I can't. It makes me sick. It makes me sick to my stomach that I have to be like, listen, I know we had a great 14 minute call and it's like, really nothing personal, it's nothing, like, against you, but it's just not going to work out. And do I tell them why? Because, like, a big thing for me is like, a lot of these people are. I'm sorry. Like, overpricing their services. Okay. And so, so I honestly, it's like A hobby of mine now to just to call new ones and be like, what's your hourly rate? Because it's so fun for me to be like, you're so much cheaper than this person. Or you're double the price of this person. Like, what makes you so special? You know? And, like, I want to know, like, what is your competitive advantage? Like, why? Because let me tell you, it sounds like you're all doing the same thing.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I'm.

[B]

I'm. I'm almost positive that this is not

[C]

the best use of your time.

[B]

No, but, babe, but it could be. It could be.

[A]

But Jordan, it gives me life.

[B]

I know. I know.

[A]

Gives me life and I know. Let me tell you one thing. Dallas. I don't know what kind of like, these fancy pants Dallas companies charge double what Nashville charges.

[B]

That's crazy. So you would. It would be cheaper to have a moving company come down here.

[A]

I've thought about it. I have one that I might hire. Yes. That said they would. It would be cheaper for me to fly a team down when I tell you they are 50, like, half the price of their hourly rate. And let me tell you something, their Instagram looked better.

[B]

That's crazy, man.

[A]

No, I know. I just, like, I. I think I'm realizing that Dallas is really expensive. Like, yeah, like, wow. And I've just. We've always lived in, in, I guess, extensive cities. Dallas, Austin.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And I think Nashville is very, like, it's becoming very pricey as well, but, like, craziness.

[B]

I know. It's rough. It's rough, it's rough. But you know what? I'm very proud of you. And I know it is giving you life. And I know that because, you know, it was like 8:30 in the morning and I walked into your room and I was like, who's she talking to?

[A]

I was on a call while I was breastfeeding.

[B]

I know. And you were talking to more movers.

[A]

Another mover. I know. I just. I love it. I love it. I just. I just. I Google it and I'm like, dallas. So let me tell you the difference. So there's like, moving companies that, like, are the ones that come and, like, pack your stuff up and. But that's. There's no strategy there. They just. And that's. That's fine, you know, if you want to be that type of mover. Like, I'm not that type of mover. You know what I mean?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Like, I want everything, like, color coordinated. I want to, like, know, like a list on the box of, like, Everything that's in there, I want it, like, you know, organized by room. These boxes go in this room. This room. I don't want to just get to the new house and be like, okay, here's all your boxes by.

[B]

Well, because you're. You're making. You're doing the hard work on the front end.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

Instead of the back end.

[A]

Yeah. You like to do, like, it on the back end because you don't like to be organized at all on the front end.

[B]

Oh, yeah. In what context?

[A]

Packing. Like, like suitcase packing.

[B]

Oh, that's the only example.

[A]

Cooking. When you cook, you're like, I'm just going to make a disaster of a mess and then I'll clean it up after instead of cleaning up along as you go.

[C]

That's true.

[A]

Our bathroom. You never put your clothes. I picked up this again this morning. After you take a shower, you could just get out of the shower and put your dirty clothes in the hamper. But you don't. You don't also don't like to throw away anything. Like, you'd like to get everything really messy and then you clean it up like 24 hours later.

[B]

But you know what's so funny about

[C]

you is you're the opposite.

[A]

I clean up as I go.

[B]

No, yeah, you, you, you do the little things as you go.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

But then like, big things. Like, hey, like, let's think about what we're going to do this weekend. You're like, I'll show up. I'll show up and figure it out, you know, and it' Because I don't

[A]

want to have plans, babe.

[B]

But yeah, okay. It's just funny because you have that, that, that skill set in your body.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

You just don't like to express it.

[A]

I'm just particular. Anyway, babe, let me tell you about moving. Okay. This is my podcast, D for Danny.

[B]

Well, it says with Danny and Jordan.

[A]

I know.

[B]

Well, that was a big deal whenever my name goes. So now you just want to shut it down.

[A]

Okay. So. So yeah, there's moving companies that just come in. They pack all your stuff. So then there's like luxury, like moving management companies. Like, so basically they just like project manage your move. So what they do is they come in and they organize everything. First of all, they come in twice and they just like, help you declutter. They just get rid of everything. They bring the trash trucks and they're just like, hey, if you're not gonna be moving with it, let's donate it. Let's get rid of it. So they just take out all the junk. And they do like two sessions with you before. So then they come in the week that you're actually moving and they want you out of the house. Well, I'm sorry, that's a lie. So. Because. So we have a unique situation. Cause we bought a, like an investment property that we're gonna be moving into in Nashville. It's like a really trendy area of Nashville that we're gonna move into. And then whenever we have our. Our main home is ready, we're gonna like lease it out and rent it out for like, you know, like, we always talk about a little extra income just in case we get canceled or I get canceled about. You get canceled. It's fine.

[B]

We're almost like equal cancel liabilities these days.

[A]

You think?

[B]

I think we're about to.

[A]

But you do so much more behind the scenes that it's like you can.

[B]

I know no one cares. They don't. They want to cancel you. They don't really care to cancel me.

[A]

Yeah, but they probably would love to cancel you. But even if they did, you still have a job. I don't have a job if I'm canceled.

[B]

Oh, totally.

[A]

So yeah, I'm way more cancelable.

[B]

Yeah, you're cancelable.

[A]

Because I'm like, what am I going to do? I have so much I would do. Let's be real. I'd probably start my own moving company, to be honest. And so, okay, so they come in, they manage a move was, okay, so yeah, we're going to be moving into a temporary home. So then on a third session, they would walk through the house and they would tape everything red or green? Red is, it's going to the storage unit. Green. It's going to the temporary home. Not only that, they would measure everything, look at the layout. The schematics of our new home tell us exactly what's going to fit, what's not going to fit. They come back to like, we don't have to do any of that. And they also manage the movers. And that week that we're actually moving, they tell the movers exactly what to do, where to take the boxes, what kind of boxes, how to pack it. Like they just project managed move. And what they tell you, they say while we're doing that, you get out of town, you go on a vacation. Which I was thinking, that's great because we have no vacays planned for this summer. So I was thinking maybe we go to Tokyo or Italy with four children.

[B]

Yeah, she's. So she said this last night. It's crazy. That's cr. That's irresponsible.

[A]

What is?

[B]

Going that far across the world with four young babies?

[A]

Well, we could probably leave a couple at home. And what do you think?

[B]

I mean, they won't remember.

[A]

Oh, but they'll be traumatized.

[B]

Would they?

[A]

Mommy and Daddy leaving for a week.

[B]

But, you know, it would have the best time ever. And they would remember it.

[A]

Stella would love it. Yeah.

[B]

It's just so hard. I don't know. What are the rules of engagement there

[A]

for taking, like, some of your children on a trip? And I could be wrong, but I think Mallory Irvin's on a trip right now with, like, only one of her babies. I could be wrong.

[B]

Really?

[A]

I could be wrong. I don't know. I mean, kind of just like, scrolled her stories and I was like, is

[B]

she like, I would 100 go to Tokyo if it was like, seller shot?

[A]

Hey, let's make it happen.

[B]

Really?

[A]

Totally.

[B]

I don't know. Do we?

[A]

What. What's gonna happen? People are gonna cancel us. We got a rental.

[B]

It's more so. I mean, Summit would have. Summit and Smith would have the best time with the grandparents. 100.

[A]

I know. I don't think I could leave them, though. I'm just be honest.

[B]

That's what I'm saying. It's like, I'm, like, I'm not talking about being canceled. I'm. Do it.

[A]

I know. I'm. I'm. I'm all talk, babe.

[B]

You are all talk. Like, yeah, you want to take Summit everywhere.

[A]

No, I know. Like, I really do. He, like, slept in bed with us last night.

[B]

Yeah, I just think it's.

[A]

What's that. What's that line? Like, I'm a little too big for my britches or you're.

[B]

You're all hat, no cattle.

[A]

No, I like the britches 1. What's the britches on?

[B]

You're too big for your britches.

[A]

Yeah, I'm just too big for my britches.

[B]

Yeah. All bark, no bite.

[A]

Yeah. All bark, no bite. That is so me. It's because I'm trying to mask. Be tough.

[B]

Oh, yeah. So I. I'm very much down, but I think we should do what your original idea was and just do a Disney cruise. It's built for kids.

[A]

Well, the good news is we're moving twice since we have a to. So we'll do Disney cruise one time and then maybe Tokyo the other time.

[B]

It's also just crazy. It's crazy to say we're moving into a temporary home while also finishing out our new home.

[A]

Selling this home.

[B]

Selling this home. Moving to a new city. And you're like, yeah, let's go to Tokyo. That's crazy. Well, that's objectively crazy. Don't you feel.

[A]

Ew, I like it a little crazy.

[B]

No, I know. And I know what you're doing. You wanted that little. That's what I'm talking about. With that energy. You're like, let's get a little crazy.

[A]

No, I don't feel that way. I don't want to get a little crazy. I just literally want to go to Tokyo.

[B]

I know you want to go to

[A]

Tokyo, but I wanted to go for, like, five years.

[B]

No, I know, I know.

[A]

And Dubai. But I don't think that's a good idea right now.

[B]

No. Is it? I never know what's going on over there. Just over there. It seems like it's always something.

[A]

Yeah. I think it would be better to maybe do Tokyo, maybe Italy, and then we could talk about Dubai later on.

[B]

So no Disney cruise?

[A]

No Disney cruise. In addition.

[B]

Yeah. Okay. All right, well, we'll work this out. But, you know, I'm just saying, like, there's a lot going on.

[A]

Idea. Costa Rica. I bet you could get behind that with all the kids.

[B]

Yeah, that's so. That's closer.

[A]

I've never been to Costa Rica. My just. I just want to go to new places.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And all these people on Instagram are traveling with their families, and I'm like. I'm like, this is. This is so tone deaf, all of you people traveling.

[B]

Yeah, it's true.

[A]

You guys just. It's so tone deaf. We're over here having four kids, moving, and you guys. Who do you think you are?

[B]

No, this is how people feel. This is how people feel. Consuming.

[A]

I'm like, oh, cool, you're in Aspen. How do you think we feel?

[B]

It is. You know what I can't. What I can't do lately? I can't really open TikTok lately.

[A]

I know. Cause I'm just a little jealous. Biatch.

[B]

No, no, it's not that. It's like, when I scroll, it, like, actually gives me, like, anxiety because I'm seeing, like, all these people doing different things, and I'm like, I don't know. I've never felt that way before, but I'm just like. I don't like.

[A]

Oh, you feel a little like. Like less than fomo.

[B]

Yeah, less than fomo, maybe.

[A]

I love that rush.

[B]

Really?

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

What do you explain what rush you mean?

[A]

Because I'm like, oh, look, they're doing great things. I want to do great things too.

[B]

No, it's not that I'm jealous. It's like, it makes me not present with where I'm at because I'm like, oh, I should be doing that. Does that make sense? Especially if I'm like, this guy, this guy's fishing on a boat, throwing rocks at a boat. Oh, that's us. See, I want to be there. Everyone's at this fight.

[A]

Oh, see, I like it.

[B]

And also. And then it feeds me things that make me angry. And I'm like, I don't want to feel this right now. I don't know, I just. TikTok for me lately has just not been a good thing.

[A]

That's. I really am, like, very.

[B]

You don't ever straight. You don't ever scroll TikTok. You're not.

[A]

I'm not a.

[B]

You're a real girl.

[A]

Yeah, I'm not really a TikTok girl. I Instagram. Nothing really makes me feel that way except for travel right now.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

But I, I, I could, I could look at a girl in a bikini with a six pack and I feel nothing.

[B]

What, what do you do on your phone at night? Like, yeah, like, whenever you're, like, laying in bed, you know, I'm usually reaching

[A]

out to brands to see if they'll collab with me in my new home.

[B]

Is that what you're doing? I always wonder what you're doing.

[A]

Yeah. Or I'm like, what emails?

[B]

Or I'm like, because you're not really scrolling.

[A]

I just found out that the marble I picked out for our kitchen is probably not gonna work out because the slab is too small. So I've been, like, looking at Pinterest trying to find, like, a new marble slab.

[B]

The green one?

[A]

No, we weren't doing green in the kitchen. Oh, poor guy doesn't know anything about our new home.

[B]

No, I literally, I'm. So Danny was like, will you send the sauna specs to the builder? And I was like, I've never talked to him.

[A]

Like, he's like, I don't have his number.

[B]

You've cut me out of every group.

[A]

I gotta ask Lori.

[B]

Which I don't care because I am so happy with the purpose that this has given you.

[A]

Thank you.

[B]

Like, so great. Just go off queen.

[A]

Yeah. So, yeah, so I'm usually doing something, like, home related. You know, my new favorite, like, type of accounts to follow on Instagram or this is like, what my feed is, what their accounts. I do, like, home inspections. Oh, yeah. And they go through and they show you like where the houses are like falling apart or what's wrong. And like I'm learning so much. Like even you're in your shower. Like the little seat, you know, the little marble seat or what? It's not marble. Quartz. Whatever it is.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

That even has to be slanted a certain like degree so that the water flows so it doesn't just sit stagnant. So the home inspectors go in and check all that stuff.

[B]

That's crazy. Who is screaming?

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[B]

Oh, he's singing.

[A]

Okay. Our child is singing, not screaming.

[B]

He's singing. Yeah, no, that's. That's really good for you.

[A]

Yeah, I love it.

[B]

I would love to know this stuff I've learned.

[A]

I love learning about homes and home building. So I think after I started my moving company, then I'm going to probably become a teacher for a year, and then I'll start building homes.

[B]

The teacher to our children.

[A]

No, I would never teach our children. I can't. Sorry. I'll teach.

[B]

Go work in an elementary school.

[A]

That's what I'm saying.

[B]

Oh, okay.

[A]

They need me.

[B]

They need you. Oh, you're so funny. So funny and unpredictable. I never know again. So crazy. I'm like, order, order. And then you're like, ah.

[A]

He's like, I'm gonna to have the same thing to eat every day. Then I'm going to marry the craziest person in the world.

[B]

Remember last night when we were walking out of our date night and I go. I was like, where would I be without You. And I said I'd probably be a fat loser, and I meant it.

[A]

And I said I'd probably be a homeless drug addict. We just love each other so much.

[B]

Oh, it's so funny.

[A]

We think that we need each other so much more than we probably did. But it's okay. We. That's. It's healthy.

[B]

No, we. No, it's so fun. It's sweet. Teamwork makes it fun.

[A]

So. Yeah, that'll be really interesting. This move. My biggest thing that I can't figure out what to do in our temporary home is if we should furnish it with, like, some of our furniture or if we should rent furniture. Because when we rent it out and lease it out long term, are people going to want it furnished or not? That is the question. You just don't know.

[B]

In our. In my experience thus far, because we had one of our places already furnished, and we had to get rid of everything.

[A]

I know. That's what I'm saying. And so then I'm like, most people

[B]

don't want it furnished.

[A]

I know. That's what I'm saying. So then I'm like, should I just reach out to Court Furniture and just, like, bring this around full circle? Remember one of my first brand deals ever? See, if they would sponsor us again? Wouldn't that be so cute and crazy?

[B]

I think you should do that. I. I know that you've been wrestling with. I think you should do that.

[A]

I know. I know. And then we'll just, like, sell all. Like, we'll do, like, an estate sale. How fun.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

God, I would. I would kill to go to, like, a really great estate sale.

[B]

This is. This is going to be a great estate sale.

[A]

No, that's what I'm saying. I think I should sell tickets, make a little. Kevin.

[B]

I mean, it's not about the money.

[A]

It's about the.

[B]

No, it's really not about the money. I mean, the way. I mean, just like. Just where you're spending your. Your energy. It's like you love your little rat holes. That's what they're called. They're like little rat holes. They're like, I'm gonna make 500 bucks. And I'm like, danny, the grand scheme of things, like, that's so not worth your time. But you love them. You love these rat holes.

[A]

I'd rather go down a rat hole and make 500 bucks. It's like in a week than 500 million doing something I don't love.

[B]

I want you to hear me say this. You are not becoming your Mother, I want you to hear me say that first. But it's like when your mom. When you were growing up.

[A]

It's okay if I become.

[B]

My mother would drive all the way back to the grocery store to, like, return a banana.

[A]

It happened so many times.

[B]

Like, six.

[A]

No, it wasn't like.

[B]

It's like. That makes sense.

[A]

They would charge us for, like, seven bananas instead of five, you know, and my mom. We would get home from Sam's, and, you know, Sam's is never, like, a convenient place to go. Like, you know, Sam's is always. You gotta drive 20 minutes to go to Sam's. You know, it's like, we don't live next to a Sam's. And my mom would. We would all get back in the car and drive all the way back over to Sam's so she could stand in that line, and we would wait, like, 30 minutes in that line so she could return the two bananas that she was charged. You know, like, yeah, my mom.

[B]

You're getting there.

[A]

My mom, like, when there were multiple times, we would be empty on gas. Empty on gas. And she'd be like, she's driving to that one Texaco that has the, like, the cheapest gas. And we would pass, like, seven gas stations on the way. And, you know, I'm like, sitting in the back seat like, mom, we're gonna die. We're gonna get pulled over. And she's like, not on my watch. Zoom, zoom, zoom. Like, you know, and, like, literally, you look at the dashboard, it's like, blinking E, you know?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

She just was like, I'm. She's not gonna do it.

[B]

You know what you call that?

[A]

We also had a coupon. Do you have a coupon drawer?

[B]

No.

[A]

You didn't have coupon drawers?

[B]

No.

[A]

Oh, my God. You were just. What are you. Like, you're just rich and privileged growing up?

[B]

I mean. No, we just didn't. I don't know.

[A]

It's like, we, like. We didn't go into a store unless we had a coupon. Like, we shopped places for things we didn't need just because we had a coupon. Like, literally every everywhere had coupons. And, like, we would just sit and cut them all out, cut them all out and keep them in this drawer. I mean, stacked to the brim. And so before we would go to Albertsons or wherever, like, we would check out all the coupons, and it would be like, you know, frosting on sale, 70 off. And, like, we're buying frosting. Did we need frosting? No, but it's on sale, so we're gonna buy it because we're just gonna keep it until we need it.

[B]

It's just the love of the game.

[A]

It's a love of the game.

[B]

It's a love of the game. And I want to be super clear about something. I. I heard that the one thing you're never supposed to say to your wife is that, like, you're becoming your mother. I just, I think a standup comedian made that joke. I actually think that it's great because I've always been a huge proponent. Like, you, Stella and. And your mom are all the same person.

[A]

I know.

[B]

And y' all have, like, these very distinct gifts. Extreme couponing, extreme frugality, but extreme ingenuity. Hustler. Hustle culture.

[A]

Yes. I want a T shirt that says Hustler with an A. Yeah, no, like,

[B]

it's, it's a great thing. I'm, I'm very pro hustler, baby. But just don't get crazy with it. Like, don't be returning bananas. I feel like that's crazy.

[A]

Yeah, no, I, I think the difference between my mom and I is I value my time a little bit more.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And like, I will let things go. Like, I, I don't. I won't like, hoard things. Like, my mom's a hoarder, you know, and she. I think it's cuz she's like one of the oldest of five that she basically raised her siblings. So I think she like, had to like, hold on to everything because it was like, if she wasn't going to have it, then she would give it to a sibling. Whatever. I was the youngest sibling. I was five years younger than my brother. So like, I never had that, like, sense of urgency. The only reason I have that is because my mom was like that.

[B]

Yeah, I think.

[A]

But I wasn't ever like, competing with a sibling for like the last cracker. But like, she was.

[B]

Well, I think that like, you. Well, because that's like, I think that

[C]

she was raised with like, scarcity mindset,

[B]

you know, because it. There were seven kids. But I feel like what you and Landon did really well was you took all the ingenuity of your mom and then you had an abundance mindset.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

You know, Landon's still pretty, like, he's, he's like pretty frugal and like.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

You know, he, he would rather like spend X amount of hours doing something instead of pay someone to do it, I feel like.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

So he still got that. But it's not a bad thing. Like, he's very successful.

[A]

Well. And also, does it make him happy? Like, that's.

[B]

I think it makes him happy. I think that your mom, like, I think that your mom. And to a certain extent, you and Landon like being busy, and you like the process of working towards something. Like, you don't want to delegate it. You want to do it yourself.

[A]

Yeah. But there's. I think I'm probably the best out of all of my family. At delegating.

[B]

Yes. But I think that. That. I think that that was, like. Because you and I got married.

[A]

Okay, wait. Before I even married you, I hired my first manager. I did. I hired someone to do all my brand deals. Now, it took me a long time to, like, let it go, but. But I did.

[B]

Yeah. No, for sure. No for sure. I totally agree.

[A]

I still a businesswoman.

[B]

You are a businesswoman.

[A]

My taxes on my ground in my bedroom, living with Brighton and Janine. Crazy times.

[B]

Crazy times. You know what's the crazy thing about your past is your old manager is basically the one that created the secrets secret lives of Mormon wives.

[A]

Yeah, I know.

[B]

And, like, manages, like, all of those girls now.

[A]

I know. My old manager was the bee knees.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

She's, like, the one that got away. For sure. She's the one that got away from me. Like, I. Like, my whole career is to prove her to her that, like, she needed

[B]

me, which is so good. Have you ever watched Michael Jordan's hall of fame speech?

[A]

No. Maybe I'll do that later.

[B]

Oh, you've got to watch it. It's amazing.

[A]

A lot of theon I feel I need.

[B]

No, no, it's amazing. Let me tell you about this. Everyone should watch this. So if you watch Michael Jordan's hall of fame induction speech, it's like, all of the people that he played with and against in the room.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And he's so, like, angry still towards them. He's, like, thanking these people who he was like, one time, you did this to me. And he's like, I thank you for that. Because that made me so mad that it drove me to do xyz. He had, like, his high school. His high school basketball coach there who didn't put him on varsity. That basically, like, that rejection, like, made him Michael Jordan.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

It's like, the coolest speech ever because he's like, everyone in the room knows he's the greatest. And he's like, you guys made this monster like, you made me, and I thank you for that. You got to watch it. You would love it as a three. You would Love it.

[A]

Oh, I have so many people like that in my life.

[B]

I know you do.

[A]

It's. It's embarrassing.

[B]

No, it's not embarrassing because you should thank them you actually like. Because without them you wouldn't have the drive to do xyz.

[A]

So who are your people? Like that. Babe, you have some too.

[B]

I don't.

[A]

A lot of yours are girls.

[B]

No, they're not girls.

[A]

Okay, so you don't have like one person that like kind of did you dirty that you're like, sometimes you think

[B]

about and you're like, honestly, every time I've been motivated because I have had seasons where I was really motivated by an enemy that I made up in my head. And to be honest, every time I have used that strategy, it's never worked out well for me because I feel like it's affected my decision making to where I'm making poor decisions based on like revenge or vengeance or some make believe idea.

[A]

Separate, healthy.

[B]

Separate. I mean that you recognize that separate Oscar speech was. Have you ever seen Matthew McConaughey's Oscar speech? I think it was an Oscar speech. I've seen it where he's like, I was never competing against anyone else. I was competing against myself at 30 and then myself at 40 and myself. So I feel like that's more my style.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Like I, I've tried maybe if you agree with Michael Jordan, I've tried your style of being great through that means. And it just, it literally has always bit me in the butt.

[A]

I think the reason it works for me is because it's like not, it's kind of like not that serious.

[B]

No. Yeah.

[A]

You know, like I don't actually think about Lisa like every single day of my life, you know, but it definitely is something that I'm like, it does drive me a little bit.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

But I would say I'm like probably 50. 50, like 50 against myself. 50% against myself. 50% against like, I don't know, maybe I actually don't think what drives me too much is like that revenge game. It's like also just being different.

[B]

Yeah. Like you wanting to be different.

[A]

Yeah. Just doing, doing things different.

[B]

I think I have that too. But it's all just like about. Well, I think, let's face it, when we were first starting out, I think we were both trying to make up for low self esteem in some way. Right.

[A]

Like, whoa, speak for yourself.

[B]

Okay. For me, you know what I'm saying? Like, you were always like, like, you know, we were both trying to prove something.

[A]

Yeah. To who Isn't.

[B]

Who isn't?

[A]

Like you.

[B]

You honestly have to have that to have drive. Like, how do you. How are you motivated if you don't have some chip on your shoulder?

[A]

Or we're just content and happy.

[B]

Yeah, sure. I mean, if you want, like. I just want to be a loser. No, no. I just don't. I don't know if you can be great without some type of insecurity or what's.

[A]

What is great even mean?

[B]

Well, you have to. That's like the. The deep tracks. You got to figure that out later. But I'm talking about just like, stage one of, like, what drives you to be great. Like Mike Tyson, I feel like, why do I know all of these, like, speeches? Mike Tyson was like your TikTok.

[A]

TikTok algorithm.

[B]

Yeah, probably. Mike. Mike Tyson was. No, he's on Theo Vaughan.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And Theo asked him. He goes, hey, you know, do you ever, like, resent or regret your upbringing?

[A]

He was like, your dad or something.

[B]

Yeah, something like that. And he was like, no, absolutely not. He was like, it made me the greatest.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Like, all the adversity and the bullying

[A]

and all the things those kids picking on him. Yeah. I mean, it's very rare that you find, like, a great at whatever they're great at and they didn't face some intense adversity. Like, it's. They always were bullied. They always were, like, not cool. Like Taylor Swift, like, she was like, so not cool in high school. I really made fun of her. And so she was like, I'm gonna go to write songs in my room.

[B]

I think I have no proof of this, but I don't feel like Alex Cooper was cool growing up.

[A]

No. Like, babe, have you ever seen Alex Cooper?

[B]

No. She, like, wasn't cute or anything, right?

[A]

Well, she had, like, red hair.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

She's just a total, like, kind of loser.

[A]

No, she wasn't. She was probably a sweet, like, girl, but she wasn't like, the popular girl, you think?

[B]

Yeah, I mean, I don't.

[A]

I don't know what she was like, but don't say loser. That's a really mean word.

[B]

Okay, I'm sorry. Like, sorry. She wasn't a loser, but she wasn't what you see today. And I feel like so much of her Drive.

[A]

Oh, 100%.

[B]

And ambition is like, you know, when you see someone, you kind of game recognize game. You have to know it like yourself and to see it.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Like, I feel like with her, it's like, oh, man. Like, you've got something to prove. Like, you're working so hard.

[A]

Oh, yeah.

[B]

And you want this so much that you, like, you're trying to make up for something. A lot of the jokes that the Kevin Hart Roast were like, about that. It was like.

[A]

Or whatever.

[B]

No, no, they were about, oh, your dad abandoned you. Like, are you still trying to impress him so he'll come back like that? And that probably is a really large part of his dedication and drive. Mr. Beast, have you ever seen the interview with Diary CEO?

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

He's like, his dad left and he, like, can't stand his dad. He became the man and he won't talk about it. He, like, won't talk about it in so much of his drive. Elon Musk horribly abused by his dad.

[A]

So just, like, if you raise, like, happy, healthy kids, they don't become greats, huh?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I mean, because they're just too happy and healthy.

[B]

Yeah. Well. Yeah, I know. So what are we doing? We gotta. What are we stressing out about?

[A]

Well, that's the thing is, like, I think that you can try your best as parents, and you'll never be able to just be perfect. Like, everybody's gonna face adversity.

[B]

Yeah. I mean. Yeah, because we both had, like, great upbringings and we found our own adversity through those, but it had nothing to do with our parents.

[A]

Yeah. Or even if it did, like, it's, like, not.

[B]

It's our own. It's our own interpretation of circumstances and what we want to be. Yeah, no, for sure. It's crazy. You gotta watch that Michael Jordan hall

[A]

of Fame speech on it.

[B]

You would love it.

[A]

Thank you. Babe, I have something to do tonight.

[B]

It's only eight minutes, so.

[A]

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[A]

Well, it'll be fun while you have your friend over tonight. Jordan's having, like, a friend over.

[B]

I know.

[A]

He was like, so, just so you know, like, Connor's coming over and I'm

[B]

like,

[A]

like, like a bros night. Like what? Like, to hang out with our kids, like our family.

[B]

You wanted to. Okay. So I very intentionally did this. This. When we move, I really want to, like, just have people over. Like, not a whole production, not a whole thing. Like, hey, just, like, come over, like, sit, just hang. I, I, I was, when I was up in Nashville by myself, I feel like that was, like, this, the culture that I love, like, people were just like, hey, come over. Like, sit outside.

[A]

Yeah, let's repeat that sentence. You were in Nashville by yourself?

[B]

No, but they invited me into, like, their home. And, like, their kids were running around, so it was just, like, more chill, you know? It like, wasn't scheduled. Like, like, I texted Andrew east and Shawn Johnson and I was like, hey, like, I'm around. And they're like, oh, yeah, pop in. And they were just like, their kids were running around. So I just wanted.

[A]

Anxiety.

[B]

I know, but you gotta get over it. I'm, I, I'm doing this so that you start to get over it. Because, listen, I'm gonna have a lot of. We're gonna have a lot of friends. We're gonna have a lot of social things. There's gonna be a lot of children. So, like, I'm just testing the waters. We're just gonna sit on the back porch. I told him, I'll fill up the drink fridge.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

You'll probably be out there with us tonight.

[A]

Yeah. You're gonna sit on the porch tonight?

[B]

Yeah. And you're gonna come out and you're

[A]

gonna fill up the drink fridge.

[B]

Well, the drink fridge is always already filled. I texted him, I said, the drink fridge is full.

[A]

Okay. Who do you think fills it?

[B]

No, I know. Okay, if that's your point, I get it. I get it.

[A]

I just teasing.

[B]

What I want to talk about is I'm ending my chapter of what I talked about last week. Like, I'm, I'm moving on to a different topic.

[A]

Spiritual warfare.

[B]

Well, no, it wasn't. It, it kind of took a dark turn. No, crazy turn. It went from the unseen realm, which was like, heavy Genesis, to, like, lost ancient civilizations. Mayans, Mayans, Aztecs, Egyptians. Who built the pyramids? We don't know. So then I'm, I'm reading one more book that's a bridge, and then I'm done. I'm moving on to a different topic.

[A]

So what's the New topic.

[B]

I think I'm getting this book. We tried to look for it. The Creatures of Jekyll Island.

[A]

Oh, did you see that? You order on Amazon? It got canceled. I'm thinking, like, the government doesn't want you to have this book. Yeah.

[B]

Oh, my gosh. I gotta text him right now. You didn't tell me that.

[A]

I got the email. Unless it, like, you ordered it again.

[B]

Did the book order? Oh, I need that this weekend and I can't find it anywhere in Dallas.

[A]

I just got a text from. Stella's having a play date with her friend. Look at them.

[B]

I know. It's so sweet.

[A]

She has, like, a best friend right now, y', all. And it's, like, so cute. And it's like, she has a best friend now and we're leaving. It kills me.

[B]

Okay. So I really want to. To. So the. The next chapter I'm going to is probably the Federal Reserve. I don't know what it is. I'm gonna be honest. The Federal Reserve, I don't really get it. I don't know what it does.

[A]

When they took. Is that something to do with the money and the coins?

[B]

Yeah, like, they got us.

[A]

They took it off the gold standard.

[B]

I don't understand. But I'm going to tell you about

[A]

limited amounts, and now there's not.

[B]

I think these are two different things.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

I actually don't think these are two different things.

[A]

You know who knows a lot about this is Landon.

[B]

Yeah, he does. So I'm going to go down that rabbit hole. I'm. I'm about done. I'm kind of burning out of my ancient civilizations. But I want to tell you something really interesting.

[A]

Please do.

[B]

So if anyone wants to go down the path I just went down, I have a very specific order of operations for you. You first have to read the Unseen Realm, which is going to teach you about Genesis. It's going to teach you about, like, the deep tracts of theology, angels and demons, the nephilim, et cetera. Are you bored?

[A]

No, I'm writing this all down.

[B]

Okay. The next book you're going to want to read is called Fingerprints of the Gods. It's by Graham Hancock.

[A]

I'm actually ordering.

[B]

He is not. He is. He is not. He is not a believer. Okay. So he is a secular take on all of the remaining mysteries of ancient civilizations. His whole thesis.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Is that there's. Basically there was an ancient civilization that had advanced technology.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

A lot of these civilizations say that they were quote, unquote, from the gods. Okay.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And then There was a great flood, and most of those ancient civilizations are buried now under about 120 meters of water. And the reason he believes that is we're finding them on all these, like, coastlines. Okay, okay. So I'm not going to ruin the whole journey you're about to go on, but, like, you'll connect the theology of Genesis with lost, ancient civilizations. Now, here's the bridge. Okay. There's a guy named Tim Albarino. Okay.

[A]

You always remember these people's names.

[B]

Well, do you know what's crazy, babe? Is this is, like, an example of, like, me not following my intuition. I actually DM'd Tim Albernino, like, two years ago early on in this podcast, and he was like, y', all, come on. Now he's on Sean Ryan. He's, like, on Tucker. He's on Joe. I knew. And he was totally down at the time, but I was like, I don't want to come off as a crazy person.

[A]

Yeah, but you. Yeah, you should.

[B]

But what I. Why? What I DM'd him. And I said is. I said, you are like the Christian Indiana Jones. And, like, you've gotta come on our podcast. So here's the crazy

[A]

he.

[B]

Listen. Okay? I need you to, like, really.

[A]

I'm listening. I. I just finished my pizza order.

[B]

Okay. Can you look at me? So you have theology with Michael Heisner, and then you have Graham Hancock's secular view of ancient civilizations. Why Tim is so interesting is he is a strong believer, but has spent most of his life as a missionary in Peru going through the same research that Graham Hancock did. So he bridges the biblical narrative with the Graham Hancock narrative, and he's like the bridge between two. But my recommendation is you have to read Unseen Realm first, then read Fingerprints of the Gods, and then let Tim Albernino be your bridge.

[A]

Who's the guy that does those?

[B]

Also, Tim Albernino's book is under the occult and Satanism category on Amazon. It's wrong. Just want everyone to know that it's totally wrong. I know they, like. They, like, did them dirty the archaeology.

[A]

Yeah, I believe it. What I was gonna say is, oh, who does that documentary about, like, uncovering all of the lost cities?

[B]

That's Graham Hincock.

[A]

Oh, yeah, yeah. He.

[B]

He has. You could also just watch his Netflix series. Yeah. It's called. Ancient.

[A]

I don't remember Ancient civilizations.

[B]

No, it's like, something about that. But you get. Basically, his book was written in the 90s, but his Netflix documentary is like, more. Or his Netflix series. Is more up to date.

[A]

Yeah, so just watch it.

[B]

Just watch the Netflix series and then read those two books. But here's the craziest thing I learned last night. I tried to tell you and you didn't. I said, can I tell you something that's fascinating? You said, not right now.

[A]

I do remember that.

[B]

Okay, so you know how like one of the bigger. And I just want to clarify that I'm not taking any theological stance on this. I don't really know. Okay. Do you know, like, the debate between like, the young Earth and old Earth theory?

[A]

No, I only know the debate about flat around.

[B]

Well, so like, young Earth is like literal, you know, taking Genesis literally and saying that the account of the genealogy like, makes the earth 6,000 years old, right?

[A]

Oh, yeah, yeah. And then. Oh, yes. But then dart dinosaurs.

[B]

Yeah. But then Darwin comes along and they're like, wait, this is like the Earth is so much older than what we

[A]

think anything about Darwin.

[B]

Well, Darwin was like, oh, like evolution has happened. And then there was like the big lawsuits within public schools because it was like new Earth versus old Earth. And it was like literalism versus is Genesis like metaphor, you know, that whole thing.

[A]

Sure.

[B]

Okay, so let me tell you, this is the craziest thing of like, how this whole debate started.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

Okay, so I'm gonna read some of my notes here. Okay, so ancient Egypt. Okay. And like the Sumerian culture have these like, ancient kings, kings lists. Okay. Okay. So like documented, found on papyrus, like shows, like all of the. The. The reigns of different kings that go back, like call it 14,000 BC even before that. Okay, so that would make the earth not 6000 B.C.

[A]

14,000 or 1400.

[B]

No, 14,000 B.C. like, long, long ago. So basically, like, you know, we have documentation on papyrus that like, these civilizations went far before the mainstream understanding of the timelines. Does that make sense? Yeah, because the mainstream timeline that's just completely broken down at this point, no one even believes it anymore is like, oh, the pyramids were built on this date. And then this. And then this happened then. And the whole timeline collapsed because we're now like, oh, we thought hunters and gatherers could build these pyramids, but they didn't. And so every. We're finding new archaeological evidence in like, carbon dating things that the timeline that we once believed doesn't make sense. Okay, makes sense.

[A]

Yeah. Like what are they teaching in school then?

[B]

I have no idea what they're teaching in school, but I'm going to tell you how this came to be taught in schools. It's crazy. Okay. So there's a famous kings list called the Manthos Kings list. Manetho. Maybe it's Manetho. Or maybe it's. And it shows, like, tens of thousands of years back, like, the different lineage of different kings within Egypt. Okay, so that was kind of like the most in depth in addition to the Sumerian kings list of, like, what we understood, how far history went back. Okay. So then Roman Empire comes about. Constantine became the first emperor that basically made Rome a Christian nation. Okay. Okay. So his chief theologian was a guy named Eusebius. And have you ever heard of that name before?

[A]

Nope.

[B]

Like, all pastors and, like, theologians will look to Eusebius because he was, like, one of the early documenters of early Christian history. So a lot of what we, like, know from a historical lens of what happened to Christianity and, like, you know, Jesus was from his earlier writings. So Eusebius basically goes back and his job for the Roman Empire was to collect all of these historical documents. A lot had been burned from the Library of Alexandria. Like, a lot of documents. We lost a lot of history. And then, like, in my last podcast, you know, you had missionaries going to, like, the Aztec culture and burning a lot of this. Their historical documents. So his job was basically to be like, okay, I'm The Roman Empire is now a Christian nation, and so I need to basically help people understand the world through a Christian lens. And so he was trying to bridge history with Christianity. Does that make sense? So he finds. I'm just going to say Manetho's kings list. Okay. And he didn't know how to reconcile the timeline of what they believed with his understanding as a Christian, that the genealogy of the Earth's, like, age was 6,000 years old through the, like, Genesis lineage. Yeah. Genealogy tracking. So you had, like, a couple ideas out there, but he didn't know how to bridge them. Okay. And I don't know the exact math of what he did, but he basically was like, okay, I need to nip this in the bud, you know, because they were getting. He was. Christianity was getting a lot of pushback from, like, paganism because the timelines didn't match. So he came up with. Let me read this. Okay. I'm going to explain to you how Eusebius reconciled the math of the historical documents of the king's list with Genesis genealogy. Okay. So I asked Claude to explain it. Like, I'm five. Imagine your teacher asks you how old your grandpa is. You don't know exactly. So you say, well, he seems really old, maybe a thousand Years old. Your teacher says, that's impossible. Nobody lives that long. Now imagine instead of admitting the number as a problem, your teacher says, oh, when your grandpa says years, he actually means month. So a thousand months is only about 83 years. That makes sense. Okay, so Manetheo said Egyptian kings ruled for a total of 24,925 years before the regular pharaohs started. Okay, so ancient civilizations. Eusebius needed that number to fit inside a universe that was only about 4,000 to 5,000 years old. According to his biblical calculation, 24,925 years obviously doesn't fit inside 5,000 years. So Eusebius said, those aren't real years. Those are lunar months of 30 days. Now, divide 24,925 by 12 months in a year, and you get roughly 2077 years. Suddenly it fits, problem solved. Eusebius moves on. And that was the new Earth model that was created and, like, stamped by the Roman Empire to be, like, fact. Does that make sense?

[A]

So then he just kind of made it up. He just, like, was trying to figure it out, how to make it make sense.

[B]

Yeah, he was trying to figure out how to make it make sense because this was such a difficult point of people converting to Christianity because, like, they were aware of all these, like, ancient civilizations. But for some reason, you know, the genealogy of Genesis became like, oh, this is like an actual record of how old the Earth is. So, like, theologians debate all the time whether Genesis is literal or literal or metaphorical or even time, like, if time was perceived the same way or if this is, like, a record of how old the Earth is, or if it's just a genealogy, kind of like, all that stuff, right? So the reason I say that it's so interesting is because Eusebius basically so con. He takes it to Constantine, Constantine publishes it, and it's called the Chronicon. And then the chronicon, basically from 320 A.D. to today, became the most literal interpretation of how old the Earth was. So that didn't matter in ancient days. But then Darwin comes around and carbon dating comes around, and that became almost the opposite. Where Eusebius was trying to make people understand Christianity in the context of 6,000 years, well, then Christianity became harder to understand as we learned more about, like, the more ancient civilizations, and people started, like, suing and all that kind of stuff. So here's. So I. I think. I think I lost my phone.

[A]

Okay, so I get what you're saying.

[B]

So basically. So basically, I think that when we were growing up, okay, when we were growing up, it was like, oh, you don't believe the Earth is only 6,000 years old? You don't believe in Jesus? Does that make sense?

[A]

Can you wear that again?

[B]

Do you remember? I don't know if you ever experienced this, but, like, this was a big debate when we were probably, like, teenagers. It was like, new Earth versus Old Earth. It was like, how are you going to teach Old Earth? Within schools, there were, like, lawsuits about it. Like, there was a famous lawsuit in Tennessee, see, where someone was trying to teach, like, a teacher was trying to teach Old Earth theory of, like, the Earth is this many years old. And it, like, butted up against, like, Christian fundamentalism of, like, no, it's only 6,000 years old. Do you remember any of this?

[A]

Because, sorry, I kind of remember. But what you're saying is Christianity would prove that the Earth is only 6,000 years old when Old Earth theory would be, like, against the Bible.

[B]

Yeah. So people, like, if you were, like, fundamental Christian, you were. You had to say the earth is

[A]

6,000 years old because that's what Eusebius. Wait, sorry. But that's what the genealogy in Genesis would show, is that it's like the Earth is like. But then when you start looking at the science and carbon dating and like that, it's like, no, this is not 6,000 years old.

[B]

This is far from far. Like, the Earth has been around so much longer than that. Right.

[A]

And so that would prove that Genesis is more of, like. It's like, metaphor.

[B]

Well, no, there's a. That's like a whole other track you can go down is like, how do you reconcile if it's not 6,000 years old? Like, how do you interpret Genesis? But in my opinion, that's like majoring in the minors. This is. My whole point is, I think it's so interesting that under Constantine, it was, like, stamp of approval. Here's the Chronicon. And that's just been, like, known Christian Bible study wisdom ever since then. And in my opinion, when we. When I was, like, pushed back on, or if, like, you were pushed back on for being like, hey, I actually think that the Earth can be older. It doesn't mean that your faith is any stronger or less strong or whether you believe in Jesus or not, it's more just like your interpretation of this thing that an early church historian did at the time. Yeah, it's so interesting to me. I don't think. I don't think you find it.

[A]

No, I. No, I do find it interesting. I'm just saying I feel like it does Kind of. It's confusing.

[B]

It's really confusing.

[A]

Yeah, it's confusing because I'm like, because then it's like if Genesis is more metaphorical, where it's like, you know, these time, like, then like is every.

[B]

I don't think it's, I don't think it's metaphorical. Like, that's not literal.

[A]

Like, yes, was.

[B]

So here's my.

[A]

Really a snake and was a day really a day?

[B]

Serpents are like. No, I think serpents are like the serpent as like a, a opposer or a satanic figure is like throughout all these cultures too. It's the craziest thing. Like there's.

[A]

So you think it really was a snake?

[B]

Um, yeah.

[A]

Okay, me too.

[B]

Yeah, I really do. I, I, I still interpret Genesis literally. I just don't interpret the time in Genesis literally. And the reason for that, not to get like too crazy with this, but like, so Einstein comes out with the theory of relativity, which I was going

[A]

to ask you, what did Einstein think?

[B]

So, well, basically Einstein proves, I think Einstein proved that like time is perceived differently depending on how much gravity is involved in a situation, Right?

[A]

Nope, didn't know that one.

[B]

Well, have you ever, you remember on interstellar.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

Okay. Remember that part where they go down.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Okay. And he's like, because of relativity, one day for you guys is going to be equal to 10 years for me up here. Because they leave one guy back on the ship.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

And do you remember they get stuck and they get stuck for like an hour or two more and they go back up and he's like, got a gray beard. It just means that time. And like, because of, I think it's called like gravity dilation anyway, because I just don't think our comprehension of time is what God's comprehension of time is. And so I just think that Genesis is literal, but like our understanding of time is so constrained to like our senses just here on Earth and like what we can see, hear, feel, and how we perceive time that I think it actually is very different spiritually.

[A]

Okay, but then what about in the Bible when they're like, he lived to be 120 years old?

[B]

I mean, I guess, was it really 120 years?

[A]

Did they just live longer?

[B]

I guess it could be. Or maybe it was that time moves shorter, time moved different during that time, or their perception of 120 years gravity

[A]

then I don't know, they might be floating.

[B]

I don't, I don't know. But I, I don't think that it's just so funny because growing up this became such a, a contentious topic. And I think it's so like arrogant and prideful to be like, oh, our concept of time is the only understanding of concept of time. When we know that at different parts in the universe, time is perceived differently and it changes based on like, wait, how do we.

[A]

Oh, part of the universe. Like in space?

[B]

Yeah, in space.

[A]

Like if you think there's always in the same.

[B]

But has it.

[A]

We don't know if there's less gravity, they'd be bouncing around in the Bible, it'd be Jesus floated over to the.

[B]

Okay flock, but here's. Okay, so if there was less gravity, would that explain how they were able to move these giant megalithic rocks and blocks and build a pyramid? Do you know that?

[A]

Do you. Has gravity changed? I don't know in the past thousand years?

[B]

I don't know. But do you know that to move one, the heaviest of the block in the Egyptian pyramid, do you know that it would take like two cranes, modern day cranes, and like a crew of 20 people in six weeks of preparation to just move one of those? It's crazy. No one, no, no one knows or can explain how the pyramids are built.

[A]

Just Even mainstream.

[B]

Even mainstream. They have like, theories, but no one knows. It makes no sense.

[A]

Except what are the theories?

[B]

Ramps. Ramps and like crews of hundreds of thousands of people. But how do you even get enough.

[A]

And they were like, how do you even. They were assimilate at that time.

[B]

They were transported from quarries that were like 20 miles away. Like, it.

[A]

I don't know.

[B]

It's tough.

[A]

It's tough to believe. I just, I don't know. I'm. I'm stuck. I'm stumped.

[B]

But here's the thing, is that it's tough to believe, but this whole journey has like illuminated my faith in just like this crazy way because it's like the, the thing that makes the most sense is the biblical narrative. I'm telling you, it's crazy about the, the, about everything about the.

[A]

Oh, because you're. So you're saying the giants picked him up, the nephilim.

[B]

No, I don't know if the giants picked him up. I don't. I, I don't know how the pyramids are built, nor do I care.

[A]

Oh, whoa. That's a lot to say. You don't care.

[B]

I don't care at all.

[A]

I would love to know.

[B]

Well, sure, but I think that there's enough. You just need to read these books.

[A]

Okay. I've been, I've been Needing to get back into reading.

[B]

I think you need to read these books.

[A]

All right.

[B]

Because it's so hard for me to explain to you what I'm talking about if you don't read them.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

I probably shouldn't be talking about this on a podcast with X number of people.

[A]

Why? It's so annoying when you say that. Everybody wants to hear what you have to say.

[B]

It's just the deep tracks.

[A]

I know. What else are you gonna talk about? The weather?

[B]

I don't know. Don't get me started.

[A]

It's like. Don't get me started on the sun.

[B]

No, it's.

[A]

He's like, space is actually water.

[B]

No, that's our neighbor who thinks that. And I was like, okay. It's like, give me a couple years. I think we need you to talk about something,

[A]

babe. I. I don't have much in comparison to that.

[B]

No, come on. What's some. I'm trying to think of, like, what you've been interested in lately.

[A]

People were saying that the Alamo was really about slavery. That's why that book was written.

[B]

Oh, did you post that?

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Oh, tell me about this. So Danny saw. When we were looking for my book, she saw a book that said, forget the Alamo, and it enraged her because, again, this is such a.

[A]

Okay, first of all.

[B]

Oh, my gosh. Wait, wait, wait, wait. This is a great connector point. What. How we're going to connect the dots in these podcasts is we're. We're talking about things that we were taught as common knowledge growing up and.

[A]

What?

[B]

And we were taught that The Earth is 6,000 years old, and we were taught to remember the Alamo.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

So if you're not from Texas, we literally. It was ingrained into our brain. Always remember the Alamo because we wouldn't

[A]

be here without them. Kind of.

[B]

Kind of.

[A]

I mean, we lost.

[B]

Yeah, we lost. But, like, Texas is still Texas.

[A]

But it's just like. That's like the pride of, like.

[B]

Do we remember the Alamos because they,

[A]

like, sacrificed their lives to, like. For Texas. It's just like. Okay, it's just like a. It's like a Texas pride thing. But, yeah, they were. They were saying that it was because Mexico wanted to get rid of slavery and Texas wanted to keep it in. The album was really all about slavery. I'm sure that's part of it.

[B]

Hold on. Let's ask Claude. Yeah, I mean, I'm going to tell you something.

[A]

Nothing is as what it seems.

[B]

Nothing is what it. Hold on. So there's always, like, Was the Alamo about protecting slavery and Santa Ana. Right.

[A]

Santa Ana led the Mexican troops over

[B]

to Texas to abolish slavery.

[A]

But I thought they wanted the land.

[B]

Yeah. They prime.

[A]

It could be both. That's the thing. It's like. It doesn't have to be one or the other, but. Yeah, like. Like, some. Like, some people DM me, and they're like, yeah, My sister's teacher wouldn't even. Wouldn't even say Davy Crockett out loud.

[B]

Really?

[A]

Yeah. But Davy Crockett was just kind of like one of those guys that he could kind of joined in on, like, wherever the fights were happening, because he does. He wasn't even a Texan. He's Tennessean. He's from Tennessee. But he just, like. He was called over from, like. And he just, like. He's like, I'm gonna go fight with these guys now.

[B]

So it said Santa Anna's relationship to slavery. Abolition is also more complicated than the way it looks. What's true about the slavery angle? Mexico had abolished slavery in 1829. Under President Guerrero. American settlers who had moved into Texas brought enslaved people with them and had no intention of giving them up. This created an immediate friction with Mexican law. Stephen F. Austin. Wow. College named after him, the founder of the American colony in Texas lobbied Mexico City repeatedly to be exempted from the abolition law. So Stephen F. Austin wanted slavery. The Mexican government repeatedly refused. Tensions over slavery were real documented, economically significant. Cotton plantations in Texas depended on enslaved labor, and the settlers knew it. So when Texas declared independence in 1836, its new constitution explicitly protected slavery and pro prohibited free black people for. Oh, my gosh. They're right. Yeah. Okay. Here's what's more complicated. Just to read the whole thing. The men who died at the Alamo were not a monolithic group with a single motivation. They included Jim Bowie. I haven't heard that name in forever.

[A]

Jim Bowie.

[B]

Jim Bowie.

[A]

Nice.

[B]

A slave trader and land speculator with direct financial interest in keeping slavery. William Travis, a slaveholder. Davy Crockett, a Tennesseean frontiersman who had recently lost his congressional seat. You know, wow.

[A]

Nothing is as it seems.

[B]

Maybe we should forget the Alamo. You know what? Can I tell you something that's maybe just warping my mind right now?

[A]

Is that maybe I'm related to Stephen F. Austin.

[B]

No. Okay. Do you remember during COVID when they were trying to tear down all those statues?

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

At the time, I feel like I was like, guys, calm down. Calm down. Like, what are we doing here? Yeah, you know, just move on. Just walk past the statue.

[A]

Yeah,

[B]

I like, understand their cause. Like, they were trying.

[A]

I like, I like, why do we have a racist?

[B]

Yeah, they were like, why are we doing this? And really isn't. This is actually like a crazy podcast if you think about it. Because what we're doing is. It's like we're reevaluating history.

[A]

We're de.

[B]

Influencing history.

[A]

I mean, God, I need to get back into history.

[B]

We just went on a journey from ancient civilizations to Genesis to the Alamo. Isn't what is crazy about history is. Do we ever really know? Is history written by the victors?

[A]

I mean, yeah, it's like. But that's why is it all propaganda? Interesting. Because then you get, you know, Anne Frank's diary, and she sees it a completely different way.

[B]

I know. So it's kind of like just putting together these puzzles. It's putting together pieces. But the one thing we can't do is just say, here's the narrative mainstream, and be like, here's all it is. That's crazy.

[A]

It's crazy because there's always different perspectives and different motives for everyone, you know, and you could be fighting on the same team. It's like, it's like being a. Let's just say conservative or a Republican. You could like some things about the Republican, that party, but hate other parts of it. So just because you support one candidate doesn't mean that you're racist or you're this or you're that because you support this one thing. You know, like, you could hate one part of it, but also be against abortion.

[B]

It's like, it's like all history has. All mainstream history has tried to do is put a nice fancy bow on a very. A simple bow on a complicated problem.

[A]

Every conflict, every war conflict, every. Yeah. Otherwise if it was so simple, it. It wouldn't be a conflict.

[B]

Why. Why are we buying into all these, Like, I need to, like, like all of these fifth grade history books I read. I'm like, you guys don't even know what you're talking about.

[A]

Yeah, the race to space.

[B]

I'm now starting to question the whole education system too.

[A]

I think you've been doing that for a while.

[B]

I mean. Yeah, this is why you gotta homeschool your kids.

[A]

It's just. It's just interesting.

[B]

So interesting.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Wow.

[A]

I saw like, this old dude we've de.

[B]

Influenced a lot today.

[A]

I saw this dude yesterday at Barnes and Noble. He was just perusing the history aisles, and I was like, this man, he knows. He knows something. He Knows some stuff. He was looking into books about South Korea and I was like, God, I'd love to sit across from you at the dinner table.

[B]

If you really understand history from every single side, I feel like it's got to make you so humble.

[A]

Ooh, tell me more.

[B]

Because in my opinion, the people who are very dogmatic about, like, this is what happened. This is the only way it happens is the only way you're able to look at. Takes such an immense amount of like, intellectual pride to be so confident in that. Because in reality.

[A]

Of my, like 6th grade history teacher.

[B]

Yeah. Because in reality. Well, the state is telling them what to teach. Just to be clear.

[A]

Seventh grade, actually, the state is telling

[B]

them much as she.

[A]

No, but she was very passionate about it. Texas history.

[B]

Yeah. No, and. But if you look at history with a unbiased, curious, open minded lens, it forces you into humility because you have to see the humanity on all sides.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Like, you have to understand, like.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

You know, oh, the US invading this country was probably like, here was their perspective of why they wanted us out. Right. Whereas, like, you know, history from our perspective in every country's perspective. Like, I bet you're. If you're in Russia learning about world history from their lens, it's a totally different world history than from our lens.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And so, like, it just when you open your mind and you try and see it from all sides, it's a very like, oh, I can't be prideful about anything because everything is so complicated.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

So and so nuanced and.

[A]

Yep.

[B]

That's so cool.

[A]

So let's go to the.

[B]

Let's go to the bookstore right now.

[A]

I'm fired up.

[B]

I'm fired up. We gotta go read a Kindle. Okay. Good episode. Okay, bye.

[A]

I love you guys. Bye. Please note that this episode may contain paid endorsements and advertisements for products and services. Individuals on the show may have a direct or indirect financial interest in products or services referred to in this episode.