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Danny Austin
Foreign podcast is a dear media production. Hello, and welcome back to your favorite podcast, Influence. I have really good news.
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Jordan
Your makeup.
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Danny Austin
No, what that. I'll tell you about my makeup. We didn't get canceled.
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Jordan
In fact, quite the opposite.
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Danny Austin
Quite the opposite. If y'all didn't listen to our. Our last episode, I've never had so many people DM me screenshots and be like, she left no crumbs. Yeah, I've never. Nobody's ever said that. What do we talk about? But, like, I feel like that's a really big compliment. I left no crumbs.
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Jordan
What do we talk about?
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Danny Austin
Oh, we talked about how social media is fake, tradwise, traditional wise.
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Jordan
Oh, I remember that.
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Danny Austin
We thought, Jordan blacks out. I black out each episode, so he has to ask me what we talk several times.
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Jordan
I have friends come up to me and say, man, just love the pod this week. And I was like, oh, really? What are we talking about?
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Danny Austin
Yeah, I forget everything happens often because we kind of just go off the rails, but I'm just so happy to be sitting here to live another day on D Influence.
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Jordan
Yeah, you did good. It was definitely. I do remember you being more honest and open than you probably ever been on this pod.
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Danny Austin
It felt good.
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Jordan
It felt good. Therapeutic.
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Danny Austin
Yes. Some would say yes. How are you feeling?
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Jordan
I'm good.
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Danny Austin
Be honest. We've. We felt the hesitation in your voice.
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Jordan
Oh, no, I'm good. We. We. It's funny, it's ironic because last week we talked about TikTok a lot, Right?
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Danny Austin
Yeah.
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Jordan
And now I feel like we're feeling, like, the pressure of tick tock.
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Danny Austin
You could be honest about what happened this morning.
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Jordan
Okay. So Danny and I got into a fight this morning, but we didn't really get in a fight. I would say we got in a misalignment because we. We. We're on the same team. We're going in the same direction.
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Danny Austin
Yeah. I just.
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Jordan
Okay, here's what happened. Can I tell you what happened?
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Danny Austin
Okay.
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Jordan
You said it best this morning. You said we didn't change, our platform changed. So maybe unpack that a little bit.
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Danny Austin
No, because here's the thing that I feel like you're still not understanding.
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Jordan
Oh, gosh.
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Danny Austin
I feel like the issue this morning has nothing to do with our jobs. I just am not feeling heard. And I've listened to a podcast this week. This is funny that you bring up. There's this girl named Danielle Jackson, and she talks about. She's like a friendship expert.
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Jordan
Yeah.
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Danny Austin
And she talks about what makes a relationship successful is when you feel safe, seen, and supported. I feel safe. I feel supported, but I don't feel seen. And so what's happening here is you're getting caught up in the logistics.
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Jordan
Yes.
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Danny Austin
When really I just feel like you're not here hearing me. And I feel like whenever I'm trying to express, like, what. What I want to do, moving forward with some of my content, you're just combative. And so it's like I feel like I'm just trying to, like, talk things out, but I feel like I can't even. I'm not being heard because it's just, like, always combated. And then I feel like I'm having to climb Mount Everest just to get one point across.
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Jordan
Yeah. I apologize for making you climb Mount Everest very specifically this morning. Is there a specific word or phrase that I use that makes you feel like I'm not listening?
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Danny Austin
Honestly, it's just the fact that you say anything in response to what I'm talking about. Sometimes I'm just like. Like you just said. Okay, yeah, I see what you're saying. And then move on. Instead of, like, always combating me.
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Jordan
Yeah. You know, like, arguing.
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Danny Austin
Like what? Like, you know what I mean.
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Jordan
It's so funny because a lot of my newly married friends or our newly married friends, they ask me for advice all the time. They're like, oh, man, has this ever happened? And it's like, I feel like sometimes I'm the sensei because I'm a little bit older than our friends. And usually always, I say, hey, listen, they're not looking for you to fix the problem. They're looking to feel understood in the problem.
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Danny Austin
Well, here's the thing with Jordan. Oh, sorry. Did I interrupt you? Go ahead.
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Jordan
No, it's okay. I. And so what's so funny about this morning's tiff is that I really genuinely went into it with the mindset of, like, I'm not here to fix this. I'm here to listen.
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Danny Austin
I know, but you're still missing the mark. And that was, like, the most frustrating part about it.
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Jordan
What was the mark?
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Danny Austin
The I like. Okay, here's another thing that is. Is really complicated with Jordan. It's like, hey, Jordan, I want to start making smoothies. Jordan's like, okay, well, let's sit down and build out a whole process for how we're going to make these smoothies. Okay, so on Tuesday, we're going to go to the grocery store, and then on Wednesday, we'll sit down and we'll brainstorm all the different flavors that we can make with our smoothies. And then on Thursday, and I'm like, can we just go to the store and make the dang smoothie? You know, and, like. Because nobody knows how to make the smoothie until we just go do it. And sometimes I just feel like talking it and setting up all these processes and like, when I'm like, but we don't even really know. Neither of us know what we're doing. Let's just do it.
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Jordan
Yeah.
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Danny Austin
You know, I think for me too, like, it's hard because words don't mean a lot to me. And words mean everything for you. Like, I'm more action oriented and you're.
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Jordan
More words like, well, I'm more like, hey, like, let's. Okay, you're giving me a problem. I would love to help you solve the problem. Here's the plan of how we should solve the problem. Can we agree? And then let's move forward. And you're like, no, let's just, like, start solving the problem now.
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Danny Austin
Let's do it.
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Jordan
Um, the other thing is, I would just question this. You're an enneagram. Three wing, four.
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Danny Austin
Yeah.
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Jordan
Okay, so four is a individualist.
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Danny Austin
Yeah.
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Jordan
Inherently, I feel like fours feel misunderstood quite often every day. Okay. So do you feel like. Do you feel like I may be climbing Mount Everest trying to make you feel understood when inherently your personality type, the way that God made you is, like, constantly feeling misunderstood?
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Danny Austin
You lost me there. I mean, my brain is not big enough to compute what you're even saying.
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Jordan
In this moment when you were feeling not heard and misunderstood. My first question is, do you feel like the less words I said, probably the better.
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Danny Austin
Yes.
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Jordan
Okay. I. I do too.
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Danny Austin
To be honest, I felt like you were sucking the joy out of it. Like, because to me, it's like going and making strawberry smoothies should be, like, a fun thing.
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Jordan
Okay. But I just want you to know we do together.
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Danny Austin
Like, let's go make a strawberry smoothie. Let's just go to the store. Let's figure it out. It's, like, fun to be adventurous and not plan every single moment of the strawberry smoothie making, you know, process.
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Jordan
Yeah.
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Danny Austin
But as soon as we start, like, talking so much about it and, like, trying to figure it out, I feel.
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Jordan
Like you get overwhelmed.
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Danny Austin
It's overwhelming. It's like, this is even fun anymore. It's like, this is now just a formula.
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Jordan
Yeah.
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Danny Austin
When it's like, just have fun with it. I'm. I am also very driven by fun. And I feel like when the joy or fun is taken out of something, I don't want to do it anymore.
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Jordan
So here's the second landmine I feel like I stepped on. So one I said a word or too many words? I said a lot of words. I said too many words. That was unfair.
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Danny Austin
My other issue is like, sometimes, oh, this is what really gets me. Okay. I think what really gets me is then you start to act like you're an expert in strawberry making smoothies. You know, when I'm like, you've never done it either. So I'm like. And then I'm like, but you. And you're like, oh, I know exactly what we need. I'm like, how would you know? We've never done it.
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Jordan
Yeah.
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Danny Austin
And so then I get frustrated too because I'm like, no, you're wrong.
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Jordan
I remember my second big point. So here was my second big point is I think with you, and this is real, when you came into the conversation, you said, you know, it kind of sucked the fun out of the room or out of the solution. Right. But what I've learned so much in our marriage is that you really do feed off of my energy. So. And I feed off your energy. So when you came in, it's not like you were like, bibbidi bobbidi boop, let's, let's make some strawberry smoothies. You were like, I've gotta figure out how to make strawberry smoothies. You were down. Right. And so then I was like, oh my gosh, like, she's down. Like, well, now I'm kinda down. Like, let's just talk about this. Let's figure it out. When is in reality what I should have done has been like, babe, like, let's just go make strawberry smoothies. It's not a big deal.
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Danny Austin
Yes.
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Jordan
Right.
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Danny Austin
I should have countered driven person. And so like, words don't mean a lot to me. It's like, how can you. My mom always said it's not what you say to someone, it's how you make them feel.
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Jordan
Yes.
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Danny Austin
And so sometimes just the words are just like gibberish.
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Jordan
It's like when you're down, it's like I need to very much like remember that I'm your counterweight. Like, and it I said it this to you in the argument was like, this will be as big of a deal as I make it, not as you make it. Cuz like you're obviously upset about it. So like, if I make it a big deal and I get upset about it too, then it's going to be a big deal. But if I'm just like, hey, let's move on, let's move on. So lesson learned.
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Danny Austin
Lesson learned. I'm glad we, we talked it out. It's all good now.
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Jordan
Yeah. F tik tok, though, for real. I hope that. I hope that sucker gets banned.
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Danny Austin
I don't think it will. You think it will?
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Jordan
No. I know I can only hope and pray.
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Danny Austin
Well, you know, we've been talking about our personal relationship. I. I listened to that podcast about friendships and I feel like. So I started running with Ellie again, Right? Yeah, it was so hard. Ellie and I used to run like two or three times a week together. And the best part about running with Ellie was not the fact that, like, you know, we were getting like, more fit. It's just like having someone with you that is so interested, like, we're so similar. And having that, like, camaraderie weekly is so good for me. Because what I learned through this podcast I thought was so interesting was like, high achieving females have a hard. And I think high achieving people in general have a really hard time maintaining, like, the quality of their friendships.
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Jordan
Oh, 100%.
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Danny Austin
Because it's like always going to be put on the back burner.
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Jordan
Yeah.
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Danny Austin
And what happens with a lot of friendships, and I've noticed that a lot of my friendships that have gone to die is when I've also connected with other high achieving females. And we basically are like, we are friends because we're both high achieving females, therefore we're. We're more interested in each other's work than we are, like, friends. And it's just because, like, that's. We already struggle with like, you know, achievement in general. And then I think where my friendships that have, like, failed have gone is like, typically I can start to feel that from them. Like, I feel like, oh, they're only hanging out with me because, you know, I got this brand deal or because I'm posting on social media or because they care that, like, this video popped off and you can like, feel that energy from them. And so then I start to, like, freak out and I like, start to build walls away. Build walls, set boundary. And so it's just kind of like, I know it was like very eye opening. There was a study that was done at Harvard and they followed people for like 80 years and they measured like, basically out of everything that they received, whether it was finance, marriage, materialism, whatever, it was what actually brought them the most amount of joy. And it was always not the quantity in their friendships, but the quality of the relationships.
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Jordan
Right.
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Danny Austin
And so, yeah, it was Just, like, very. It was so good because it was specifically talking about people like me. Like, I feel like Ellie is so good at. Like, it's so natural for her. Like, she always prioritizes time with people before she prioritizes time, like, even by herself. One of the best tips that they gave was look at the things that you do by yourself throughout your day. Because back in, they did, like, a study in 2013, we were doing, like, spending, like, on average each week, six hours a week with our friends. And nowadays we're only spending two hours a week with our friends. A lot of that is probably, like, because we're on our phones.
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Jordan
Yeah.
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Danny Austin
But they were like, look at the things that you do by yourself. Whether it's like going to do groceries or. Or going on a run or things that you just typically are alone for and start, like, picking one of those things and start doing it with a friend.
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Jordan
That's so hard for me.
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Danny Austin
I know. I know.
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Jordan
For me specifically, I'm like, I would kind of rather do it by myself. Like, I went and saw Dune 2.
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Danny Austin
You went by yourself?
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Jordan
And I went by myself. And I will say Dune 2 was so magnificent and epic that, like, I was like, oh, my gosh, I wish I had someone to talk to about this because, like, no one else would get it unless you were in there, you know? But, yeah, I. I struggle with this a lot. And I think that for me, it's because I also think I'm high achieving. Would you say so? Yeah. Yeah. Okay. So I think I'm a high achieving person. And so I go through really, like, big waves of seasons where if I'm in, like, an unhealthy state, I'm like, all work friendships go on the back burner, you know, And I actually think I'm in one of those right now. I need to publicly apologize to Adam, Tiffany Houghton's husband.
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Danny Austin
Why? What do you do?
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Jordan
Well, I need to apologize to him on this podcast because I remember public. Well, we called him once and you're like. And put him on the spot.
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Danny Austin
And he's like, yeah, Danny's a great friend.
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Jordan
Yeah. And I feel like it's like, so. So in that season, I really feel like I was focused. I was like, I don't want to work as much, you know, Like, I really want to focus on relationships. Like, I want to chill. I want to be a good dad. And so I sort of teased him with that season. And then I like, you let him on. Yeah, because. So here's why. Because then he invited me And a bunch of us to a soccer league. An adult soccer league.
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Danny Austin
You agreed. Has it started yet?
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Jordan
Oh, yeah. There's been three games, and I haven't gone. I also said I was going to make the jerseys, and I never did.
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Danny Austin
Jordan, that is so not.
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Jordan
I know. It's not cool. But also, I asked Divi if they could help me make the jerseys, and then I just never heard from them. And so that was the whole thing, because we were going to have Iris, his. His AI company's logo and Debbie's logo.
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Danny Austin
You're sponsored by Iris?
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Jordan
Yeah. So it just never happened. But. So, yeah, I feel bad about that, to be fair. Maybe this isn't fair. The games are Thursdays at 9pm Babe, you're available Thursdays at 9pm you're available at night.
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Danny Austin
You're watching Breaking Bad in bed last night.
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Jordan
But why was I saying this? Oh, because I do feel like. Like, it's. It's really hard to go in and out. For me, it's like, I don't. I don't commit to friendships, usually because I'm like, I don't want to let you down in the future because it's never been a steady enough state, you know, where I'm like. I feel like I can be reliable. And so it's like, before I fail you, I don't want to, like, give you the idea that I can be a good friend.
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Danny Austin
Can I ask you something?
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Jordan
Yeah.
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Danny Austin
Where are your friendships at with the OG Instagram husbands?
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Jordan
Like, Rick and.
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Danny Austin
Yeah. Like, I mean, the guys that we used to hang out with.
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Jordan
I would. Nothing happened. Nothing dramatic. I feel like we all probably. I feel like every. All the guys kind of went through the same thing. Like, I don't know if this is, like, a particular problem to me and friendships. Like, I think that a lot of times guys or men, you know, especially if they're married and have kids, like, your kids and your wife and your business and all these other things that you're. You feel like you're constantly problem solving for all day. You know, those become the priorities so that when you do get a free space, like, for me, I'm like, okay, I just, like, yeah, I just want to be alone. Like, I just want to be by myself. And I know that Rick. Rick Newton is like that as well.
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Danny Austin
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Danny Austin
Actually was like quite validating from this podcast. It said that typically we cycle through new friends every seven years.
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Jordan
Yes.
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Danny Austin
And we had been friends with those people for about seven years and I think we still are. And it's nothing like there was never like a breakup or anything. It's just like life's kind of like shifts and really changes every single year. So, like your circle and your community change. And so it, it actually made a lot of sense.
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Jordan
I'm okay with that. Like, I don't, I think that sometimes the standard or not the norm, but the expectation maybe is that you have, you have these friends for life. And I, I kind of gave that up after high school. Like, I had a really good group of friends through middle school, high school, and then we kind of stayed in touch through college. But then as we got married and started having kids, it just, we all went in different directions. But there's no hard feelings about it.
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Danny Austin
Talks about that. She's like, honestly, most people that are still friends with like their friends from childhood, not always, but a lot of times it's really forced and it becomes very toxic because the only reason you're friends is because you've been friends for a long time, but you're not actually serving each other in like, the stage of life that you're in. So she actually was like, it's actually healthier to have like, newer, fresher friends that are coming in and like, meeting you where you're at.
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Jordan
Yeah.
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Danny Austin
But of course, trying to maintain the old ones. But it's not like everything, you know.
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Jordan
So what was your biggest takeaway in terms of like, your friendships now? Like, it sounds like this is a really impactful podcast.
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Danny Austin
I'm just a horrible friend. It's exhausting. No, I'm actually not. But just like, I, I'm gonna start running with Ellie again. For high achieving people, it's really important to like, try to get like, things on the calendar and like, stick to them.
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Jordan
Yeah.
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Danny Austin
Because we're not like the people that are good. Like, if we have an extra hour, you're probably going to go work. You're not going to be like, who wants to go play pickleball? But if it's like, you know, Tuesdays we play pickleball, like, I'll, I'll show up because I'll like, coordinate it.
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Jordan
Yeah.
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Danny Austin
And like, and that's okay. She said that was a really. That was healthy. I don't know. This is interesting.
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Jordan
That's so interesting.
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Danny Austin
It's interesting that, like, you can make a job out of anything, you know, She's a friendship expert.
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Jordan
That is really cool. Are you still reading Acotar?
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Danny Austin
No. Well, I actually am not.
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Jordan
Was that, did it just fall off or.
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Danny Austin
I don't want to say that. Like, I won't pick it up again. I read Akitai, the first book, and then I read A Court of Mist and Fury. And I'm probably, like, halfway through that book, to be honest. Like, I've never read a book like this, and I think I touched on a little bit. But, like, okay. The biggest reason was actually. It actually kind of gets, like, pretty complicated. Like, there's a lot of new characters introduced and, like, a. Not a lot of new settings. And, like, it's all fantasy. So it's, like, kind of a little overwhelming. The first book was like, more like, okay, there's, like, the setting is not so crazy. There's, like, one or two places that they go. Right now I'm a little confused as to what's going on, so I think that honestly kind of got me out of it. 2. There were, like, some questionable fe. Like, I kind of started to have, like, nightmares or, like, I would, like. Okay, this is so silly.
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Jordan
No, it's good.
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Danny Austin
But I was driving to Target, and I think I mentioned this. I don't. I don't. I might have talked about this on the podcast. But, like, have you ever seen those trucks where they have, like, the decals all over them? And it's like, fire and, like, skeletons, and. I don't know, there was this, like, big red truck that was in front of me, and it had, like, these blue. Blue flames, and the flames turned into skeletons. And, like, I felt like I was, like, in Acotar. And, like, I, like, I was like, this is like. It's like I noticed evil for the first time when typically I would look past that and, like. But I, like, saw it and I, like, looked at it, and I, like, related it to Akita. I related it to what I was reading to. And, like, I saw myself thinking about evil when, like, I typically would be like, skeleton. But then I was like, where would the skeleton be? And, like, I don't know. It was just weird. Like, it was like a weird thought process. And so then I was like, ew. I don't really like that my mind went there. So then I just, like, kind of quit. But I'm not saying I won't finish the book because I am very curious about what happens, honestly, just to the characters.
- [23:57]
Jordan
If. I don't know if this is just, like, circumstantial with, like, up missing or something. But, like, I really feel like you became more emotionally distant. You were reading Akatar. Is that, like. Is that a thing reading a lot? Like, no, no, it. No, that's not what I'm talking about. Like, I'm not talking about, like. Like, mentally, like, it was like, almost.
- [24:15]
Danny Austin
Like I also had the flu when I was reading.
- [24:17]
Jordan
See that? It might have been circumstantial, but for me, in my crazy mind, when I was like, trying to figure out, I was like, what's going on? I was like, it's Akatar. I was like, she's in fantasy world.
- [24:26]
Danny Austin
No, I don't feel like it. I think it was just like when you get really invested in something and so like, your free time goes to it. That's. I don't think I was, like, emotional.
- [24:35]
Jordan
I want that for you, though.
- [24:36]
Danny Austin
Yeah. It wasn't. It didn't make me, like, feel any way about, like, our marriage or anything. It was just more. It's like the fantasy side of it. Like, I don't know. I don't know.
- [24:44]
Jordan
It's like, that makes sense.
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Danny Austin
So, yeah, I'll probably finish it. I have some other books. There's another book. There's a new book by Kristen Hannah called I think the Women or something that I'm like, I cannot wait to read.
- [24:54]
Jordan
Is she the history historical fiction girl?
- [24:56]
Danny Austin
Yeah.
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Jordan
Yeah.
- [24:57]
Danny Austin
So good. Those are phenomenal. So, yeah, we tried the VR glasses at the Apple store.
- [25:06]
Jordan
Yeah. Kind of lame.
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Danny Austin
What are they called? The Apple?
- [25:09]
Jordan
Yeah, the Vision Pros. I thought it was a really great experience. Like, you should definitely go in for a demo.
- [25:17]
Danny Austin
Just so you know, the demos take like 25 minutes. You do have to have an appointment. Yeah, it's like a whole thing.
- [25:21]
Jordan
It's a whole thing.
- [25:22]
Danny Austin
And then you can't split the demo. So it's like, if you're gonna go with your husband, you need to do a 25 minute appointment for you and then a 25 minute appointment for your husband.
- [25:29]
Jordan
Yeah. I would say it was interesting. Definitely very immersive. It gave me a hint of like, what the future could look like. And it does blow my mind when I think about it. But I walked out of there and I was like, I don't need this. Like, I don't know what I would do with it.
- [25:43]
Danny Austin
How much are the VR glasses?
- [25:45]
Jordan
Like 30, $600. So it's like a lot of people say that what's. What's. What they're struggling with with them is like, what do I do with this after I buy it? Even the guy who is supposed to be selling it to us, like, yeah, I mean, use it.
- [25:57]
Danny Austin
After my first on my. Well, he said his mom watches like all of her Netflix.
- [26:01]
Jordan
Yeah. So I'm sure it's great for like, watching movies. Like, I think if you're like, on a plane, it's great.
- [26:06]
Danny Austin
You know, I'm gonna be honest. It's really not great for watching movies because it is so heavy. It's gonna give you wrinkles for sure. It hurts, like, on your face whenever you're wearing it for, like, 10 minutes. And not the. The. The other thing that I feel like girls will not. It messes up your makeup.
- [26:22]
Jordan
Yeah.
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Danny Austin
And so I don't know if it will ever be adopted unless they make it into, like, actual sunglasses. It's not worth it. I'm like, dude, I'm gonna watch this. That. My. My laptop that I have in my lap and not mess up my makeup and not get a migraine from the weight. Plus, it messes up your hair. Like, it's just.
- [26:37]
Jordan
Yeah.
- [26:37]
Danny Austin
Not actually functional.
- [26:38]
Jordan
Just to kind of play into this, like, whole era that I feel like Danny and I are flirting with here, which is, like, smartphones, not so great. Social media, maybe. Okay. Maybe not good. When you, like, see, what they have is called, like, spatial videos and spatial pictures.
- [26:53]
Danny Austin
Yeah.
- [26:53]
Jordan
They showed us, like, a spatial photo, which is basically, like, them shooting it either natively on the Vision Pro or, like, with, like, a 360 spatial camera. And I don't know how to explain it, like, over a podcast, but it was a spatial photo of someone blowing out birthday candles. And to say that I felt like I was there is an understatement. Like, it was so immersive, and I could look to my left and look to my right and see everyone at the birthday party in the scene. It was like. It kind of blew my mind when I thought about, like, all the pictures and the videos that we take of Stella, and it's like, oh, my gosh. Like, I could be 80 years old. Well, yeah, Selling Stratton, I could be, like, 80 years old, and, like, I could look back and still see these memories. So much vivid. So much more vivid than I see them now.
- [27:38]
Danny Austin
It's.
- [27:39]
Jordan
It's pretty crazy.
- [27:40]
Danny Austin
I agree. Did you hear that Taylor Swift became a billionaire by only music?
- [27:48]
Jordan
Is she, like, the first to do that?
- [27:50]
Danny Austin
Yes.
- [27:51]
Jordan
Huh.
- [27:52]
Danny Austin
You know, we have to have our, like, little Taylor Swift conversation on D Influence. Here's another thing. Have you noticed that all of her good friends are doing skims ads?
- [28:05]
Jordan
Huh?
- [28:06]
Danny Austin
Brittany Mahomes, Sabrina Carpenter, Lana Del Rey. Those are, like, all. I mean, I don't know if any of my homes is, like, one, but Sabrina Carpenter and Lana Del Rey are, like, good friends of Taylor. Isn't that interesting?
- [28:17]
Jordan
Well, I'm. Is there still beef there?
- [28:20]
Danny Austin
Yes.
- [28:21]
Jordan
Kim and Taylor.
- [28:21]
Danny Austin
Oh, yeah.
- [28:22]
Jordan
If I was Kim, I would totally just go after all of her friends.
- [28:25]
Danny Austin
Do you feel like it's that calculated?
- [28:26]
Jordan
Yeah, for sure. You do, for sure. Because, like, look how many people are talking about skims just by the controversial picture. Controversial quotes. Like, people in the campaigns. It's so genius.
- [28:37]
Danny Austin
It was odd that they chose Lana Del Rey. Sabrina Carpenter. I'm like, she's super relevant. Lana Del Rey. For. For Kim to choose Lana Del Rey, that seems like, a little calculated to me.
- [28:49]
Jordan
Yeah. Do you feel, I think, that Kim Kardashian. Is Kim Kardashian a billionaire? Does anyone know she a billionaire?
- [28:57]
Danny Austin
Probably.
- [28:57]
Jordan
You should probably.
- [28:59]
Danny Austin
Well, Kylie is.
- [29:00]
Jordan
Yeah. But I don't think Kim is. Anyway, I could see it being very pointed at Taylor becoming a billion because, you know, these girls are so competitive at this level. Like, most people are like, okay, well, you're a billionaire. What does it matter if your other competitor is a billionaire too? It doesn't work like that. Like, these girls are just competitive at the most elite level. Like, I could see it still being a petty, competitive move that Kim is like, I'm gonna go and take all of your friends and put them in SKIMS ads. 1.7. She's a 2 billionaire, almost.
- [29:35]
Danny Austin
That's pretty amazing, Kim. Yeah.
- [29:38]
Jordan
Yeah, it's pretty great. Is. Is Taylor Swift getting a lot of hate for being a billionaire now? Like, do you think that this is gonna hurt her relatability?
- [29:47]
Danny Austin
Oh, my gosh. We're also.
- [29:48]
Jordan
Are we, like, are we still in the era of, like, supporting female billionaires, or are we over that?
- [29:54]
Danny Austin
I think it depends on.
- [29:55]
Jordan
Are y'all over that?
- [29:56]
Danny Austin
I feel like Kim would get a lot of hate for it, but, like, Taylor, I feel like we're all like. I mean, she. She made a billion dollars by doing what she loves, which is creating art and writing songs about Kim Kardashian.
- [30:06]
Jordan
So, like, yeah, I don't know. I. I feel like it's gonna make her lose relatability for some reason.
- [30:12]
Danny Austin
What?
- [30:13]
Jordan
It's kind of like she's getting a lot of hate for a private plane now. Like, she's a billionaire. Like, is she gonna be able to maintain this whole, like, I'm just like, you guys connection, you know, and still sell out stadiums. Yeah.
- [30:26]
Danny Austin
100. Like, we already. I. Like, we already knew she was a millionaire. Like, we are. Like, she's already super wealthy. She's been super wealthy for.
- [30:34]
Jordan
Yeah.
- [30:36]
Danny Austin
Like, so. And that's why. I think that's why we went back to the conversation about her dressing so homely sometimes.
- [30:41]
Jordan
Yeah, it's probably strategic.
- [30:43]
Danny Austin
It might be strategic. Or maybe she's just like, actually has bad fashion sense.
- [30:47]
Jordan
I think it's strategic. I think her. I think her publicist is so smart.
- [30:51]
Danny Austin
Yeah.
- [30:52]
Jordan
Tree pain.
- [30:54]
Danny Austin
Now we're getting into our favorite segment. Things that make you go, it's been a second, right? Yeah, it is, it has.
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Jordan
We haven't done this in like two weeks.
- [31:04]
Danny Austin
Yeah, we've done interviews.
- [31:05]
Jordan
Ah, that's why. Three weeks.
- [31:07]
Danny Austin
So topic number one. Oh, the government is trying to ban TikTok. No, but I'm like, yay. No, but I'm also like, I don't.
- [31:16]
Jordan
Know what I should think because I know free speech.
- [31:19]
Danny Austin
There's so much using free speech. So more specifically, Congress is trying to ban TikTok. They're trying to pass legislation that would foreign forced the parent company of TikTok by dance, who is owned by China, to sell the app or be banned in the U.S. according to a report by NPR. State representatives say the reasoning for the need for separation of tick tock from ByteDance is because classified and unclassified national security assessments show that the app is a threat to user privacy and that it's been used to target journalists and interfere in elections. Do you believe that?
- [31:54]
Jordan
Yeah, 100% go off Queen. The reason I believe that it's been hijacked or used for ill will is do you know how easy it is to start an account on Tick Tock? You don't. There's no verification whatsoever. You literally. I could make up an email address.
- [32:09]
Danny Austin
Yeah.
- [32:09]
Jordan
And just say yada, yada, yada. And then. So do you know how many like bot and troll accounts are like open for people to create on Tick Tock?
- [32:17]
Danny Austin
So is that what you think the problem is, is the bot account?
- [32:21]
Jordan
I think the anonymity of the Internet is a big problem because I think it allows for people to sort of like do things anonymously that they would never do if their identity was tied to it, if that makes sense. So it creates a culture of negativity, hatred, racism, bad things, you know, because people can do it completely anonymously. So I think that that's like an issue that like the platforms themselves should try and solve. But yeah, I mean, it's like, I think it's pretty much proven at this point that like other countries will use these tools like, as warfare to manipulate, I don't want to say elections, because I don't know, but like, probably, but definitely manipulate like our people. Right. So it's like there was that huge bought farm in like Saudi Arabia where it's like literally just like a, a warehouse of people. Oh, people of people who were working for that government that just made accounts and would their, their job was to remove dissent or if there was dissent against like wait, the crown?
- [33:25]
Danny Austin
Yeah. Do you think any influencers have ever done that where they create a bot farm and then they just, oh my God, this is so genius. They just go in and like praise this one influencer and get a bunch of views and just like play their content over and over and over again.
- [33:39]
Jordan
I think that that's probably a conspiracy that people outside of the space think I've never heard of that. And I feel like I would have heard of it. There was a. Oh, it's 100%.
- [33:48]
Danny Austin
There was a service that when I first started on Instagram, all the Instagrammers used and TikTok was not even around. And you could hire this company to go in and comment and like DM and like other people's photos on your account.
- [34:03]
Jordan
Yeah.
- [34:04]
Danny Austin
And so it would help like increase your engagement. And then other people would see like, oh my gosh, you comment on my picture and then like they would follow you back. So I'm sure there's stuff like that these days.
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Jordan
Yeah, probably so, but I definitely think that, like, TikTok, I think even Twitter's probably harder to create bots at this point because I feel like Elon Musk was like, hey, no more bots. You know, like, that was like a big initiative. I don't think he completely solved it. But TikTok is the most susceptible to bots right now. Yeah, like, I literally could create five accounts in five minutes, you know, and. And just do whatever I wanted with them. I could say whatever I want.
- [38:46]
Danny Austin
Bots or the algorithm? That's the issue. Because I feel like what they're saying, though, is that the algorithm. I feel like what most people believe is the algorithm, like, what they're actually feeding us is like making our brains mush.
- [38:57]
Jordan
Here's what I will say about my experience with TikTok because, like, it's been a conversation in our household for like three weeks. So I've, like, start. Started to try and get on. Is the most anxiety inducing, like, toxic place I've ever been on the Internet. And I'm. And I'm big on Reddit. Like, I mean, it is. So, like, what. The reason I have a hard time with TikTok is even when I created a bot account. Okay, so fresh algorithm. It is so good at predicting patterns. So what I would do on my bot account was honestly, I couldn't get your login. So I was like, okay, I'm just gonna, like, create my own account. And so all I'll do is my patterns are. I'll search Danny Austin. I'll go, like, check on your. Your stuff.
- [39:40]
Danny Austin
Oh, it's horrible.
- [39:41]
Jordan
And so, so when I do that, it's now feeding me, like, all of these different things.
- [39:48]
Danny Austin
Don't tell me.
- [39:49]
Jordan
No, not about you.
- [39:50]
Danny Austin
It's like Jordan Mears.
- [39:51]
Jordan
No, but I'm definitely. It's so good that it knows, like, all the people that would be in your niche. Okay, so do you understand, like, I'm not following these people. I only search your name and it Already has built me an algorithm that is yours. Okay. But the problem with TikTok that I found is that the highest engagement is going to come from very controversial drama. Okay, so it's a bunch of, like, I'll. I'll just say this. I don't know if it's true or not, but, like, the. Can I talk about the Aspen Ovard stuff?
- [40:21]
Danny Austin
Yeah.
- [40:21]
Jordan
I mean, okay, so, like, I don't even know if this is true, but, like, Aspen Ovard is, like, now filling my. My fake accounts feed because she. In kind of a past world, YouTube was, like, connected to you. And so what happened with this situation, from my understanding, is that she just had a baby. Her baby's in the nicu, but someone on some site found a divorce filing. The debate is like, is this fake or is this real? Like, why would you know this come out? Or maybe she waited till she had the baby so that that story would cover up another. But anyway, like, I got on there, okay. And I was like, it doesn't matter whether it's true or not. I feel so hard for this family right now. Like, even if they genuinely are going to divorce and. And have a baby in the nicu, the way that they are, the way that this conversation has expanded on TikTok is absolutely insane.
- [41:14]
Danny Austin
Yeah. And it's.
- [41:15]
Jordan
Yeah, because. Because all these people, like, it would be like just a normal user. Like, what they do is they'll show the divorce filing and then they'll green screen themselves talking, and they're like, I just found this video here, and here's what I'm gonna tell you. And they act like they're all breaking news sources, and they all are like, basically like the Perez Hiltons of TikTok Now. And so those videos are going to get high amount of engagement and high amount of likes. And then what also happens is when you click on the comments, because that's the pattern. I'm like, okay, well, like, let me see what the comments say. TikTok does this thing where it's like, it will recommend you at the top, like, other searches in alignment with that video. So it's like, so you're learning all.
- [42:00]
Danny Austin
These things that you did you didn't even know that you wanted to learn or search.
- [42:03]
Jordan
You're three minutes into TikTok and you were down a drama spiral that, like, you should have never, ever cared about in the first place. It's like, I'm like, oh, what? Aspen Parker getting a divorce. Click on the comments. And it's like, Parker hit Aspen. You know, and that's like the recommended text or something like that. And I'm like, there's no way now.
- [42:23]
Danny Austin
There'S already a story and narrative being fed to you that we don't know if it's true or not. But it's. You're three minutes in and you already know this, like, huge controversial thing that if it's not true, could ruin their lives.
- [42:33]
Jordan
The doom spiral of TikTok is absolutely overwhelming. Like, I find myself and like, I'm in the business and in the industry, but I see how, you know, how something could be so blown out of proportion so quickly. Like.
- [42:48]
Danny Austin
Yeah.
- [42:49]
Jordan
Do you remember the baseball game that one time we were at a baseball game. Okay. And we were taking a photo and someone was taking a video.
- [42:55]
Danny Austin
Yes.
- [42:56]
Jordan
And I put my arm around you and you took my hand and you wanted me to put it on the.
- [43:00]
Danny Austin
Small of your back because you're ruining the outfit shot. I wanted my dresses. Yeah. And you were like. And you, like, the way you were putting your arm around me made it seem like, this is my sister. And I was like, no. Like, hold my head.
- [43:10]
Jordan
So. So that three second clip, and this is on Instagram. So this is like a kind of a nicer Internet was like, yeah, so much nicer was like, oh, my gosh, they're about to get a divorce. Because did you see how her reaction. And then it would be like a psychologist being like, I'm a body language psychologist. And let me tell you about this video here. And this is what this looks like. They are getting a divorce. Because you can clearly see that her arms are rotated at a 90 degree angle when love actually symbolizes a 180 degree angle. And it's like people just do that over and over and over again on TikTok. And so if that clip would have gone viral on TikTok, it would have created a narrative that we would have never been able to fight. Like, on Instagram, you can fight narratives. You can be like, guys, this is really stupid. Anything that Aspen does from here on out, in my opinion, other than saying nothing, she's gonna lose. Yeah.
- [44:00]
Danny Austin
Because it'll all.
- [44:00]
Jordan
Because the narrative is so big. And now you have a bunch of people who are believing it to be true, whether it is or not, with no public statement from Aspen and saying, oh my gosh. And now they're making it about them. They're like, I followed them since day one. I don't know what to believe about love anymore. And like, and it's all a fraud. And you can't believe anything. And like, this is why I'm disillusioned with love and dating apps. And it's like, so now it's not even about Aspen, it's about this larger issue. So that's a big rant to say that, like, I feel like the psychology of TikTok is so you just can't control it. It's a, it's an absolute beast of a machine.
- [44:37]
Danny Austin
So needless to say, you would be happy about the band.
- [44:39]
Jordan
No, this is what's confusing. Let me rant one more time. Is because what is confusing about this is that like, I, I on one hand acknowledge that this is the most toxic platform in existence, but at the same time, I don't know how I would feel about my beliefs in terms of what the government shouldn't, should not be responsible for if I were to say I want the government to ban this type of speech.
- [45:05]
Danny Austin
Yeah.
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Jordan
You know what I'm saying? It's like I'm very against anyone on Twitter or X now that is like, you know, hate speech should be banned or this should be banned. And there's probably some forms of it that like, actually is a threat to someone else that, yeah, should be banned. But that's not really what's happening. It's one political side of the aisle that's saying, oh, you shouldn't be able to say this or you shouldn't be able to say that and that. And so if I take that same psychology, which I'm against on Twitter and I say, yeah, you know what, go ahead and ban Tik Tok because I don't want to be a part of it. It's like, not fair.
- [45:35]
Danny Austin
Yeah.
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Jordan
So I don't know what the solution is. Like, I, I see the macro, the macro level problems it's causing, like with our society and I don't think it's the same in other countries. Like, I think it's like a fact now that China is feeding their children broccoli on TikTok and feeding our children heroin. So it's like, ah, you know.
- [45:57]
Danny Austin
Yeah, I don't know, I, I feel you. It is very confusing. And, and one of the things that I think that we feel the most with Instagram and you know, we've been creating Instagram stories and that's been like our main platform for the past five years. And you know, they say like every five, six years you kind of have to reinvent yourself. Like you have to. The Internet changes. The way what was working in the past doesn't work anymore. Like that's pretty much like, innovation. That's. That. That's relatable for any company.
- [46:22]
Jordan
Right.
- [46:23]
Danny Austin
Well, what we've started to see or feel on Instagram, and I think it was, like, confirmed this morning that Instagram is deprioritizing Instagram stories. So the more Instagram stories that you're pushing, the, like, more that they're shoving your content down. And so. And that's the reason. The reason why is because they don't want people leaving, like, Instagram stories, a lot of times leads to people leaving the app. Whether you're linking to Amazon, you're linking to another YouTube video, they want you staying on the app. And that makes a lot of sense. If you think about it, you see a lot of people that are, like, linking to their TikToks, like, which is what we're probably going to end up doing. But, like, now they're being led to another platform. So they're saying, don't look at Instagram stories. Come look at your feed. Like, come look at the reels, come look at threads, come look at dms. And so they're saying that now, like, you shouldn't post more than, like, six Instagram stories, which. There we go. We're basically out of business now because that's all we create. So now it's not that we've changed, and it's not that, like, I want to create a different, like, type of content. It's like, we kind of have to, because, like, our platform is kind of dying, like, where we've put. And this happens every time. And it's like, we have to learn and we have to evolve. There will come a time where I am too tired to fight back. Like, it's so exhausting because I just feel like, okay, like, we're finally getting in the rhythm of Instagram stories is second nature. Like, we don't even think about it, right? Like, we have the way we've, like. Like, it's built into our lifestyle. It causes no conflict, no drama. Jordan and I read each other. We know, like, the moments that we want to film. We don't film after five, for the most part. Like, it's like we film from nine to five. We're good, you know? And now it's like we're learning a whole other language, and we're learning it together, and it's so exhausting. And there will come a point where I'm like, I don't. I can't do it anymore. I don't think right now is the time, though.
- [48:07]
Jordan
See, that's that's so funny. It's so funny because it's like, for me, that's what I'm, like, struggling with is I'm like, man, is this my time? Like, is this my time to go?
- [48:15]
Danny Austin
Yeah, it's been 12 years for me. I'm like.
- [48:17]
Jordan
And you're still. So I. I have read the Room and I've kind of tried to press you on these conversations. I'm like, hey, like, you know, we probably still realistically, like, from a just truly business standpoint, I want people to understand this is like an innovate or die type of moment for most creators.
- [48:32]
Danny Austin
It's like, okay, well, that's, like, kind of dramatic.
- [48:34]
Jordan
Well, we're dramatic people, though. But like, like, you know, if you want to kind of, like, strive for excellence, like you over the next two to three years, if you are not, like, trying to figure out where TikTok fits into your content creator ecosystem or.
- [48:46]
Danny Austin
Another platform, it doesn't even have to be TikTok, because maybe you have a podcast, maybe you wrote a book, maybe you're doing public speaking.
- [48:53]
Jordan
Yeah.
- [48:53]
Danny Austin
So it's not necessarily that. Like, it's just having something outside of. Just like, I think I'm. I'm talking to specifically about the people that have made a lifestyle and a living off of Instagram stories.
- [49:03]
Jordan
Yes, I know 100.
- [49:04]
Danny Austin
There's, like, quite a few of us.
- [49:06]
Jordan
Let me ask you this. I do have a question, and you can keep this in the podcast. So we have a Gen Z podcast producer. Okay. I just want to know from you, do we sound like old farts?
- [49:20]
Danny Austin
Yeah.
- [49:21]
Jordan
Really?
- [49:22]
Danny Austin
She said yes, if you want to know. Okay, so, but, but we, we are old farts. Like, I. How old were you 12 years ago? Okay. You were 14 when I started my career. You know, like, we are old farts. Like, let's, let's. Let's identify as the farts in the room and be like, okay, that's why it makes it harder for us to change. Because I promise you, all those people, like, in, in 12 years from now, you're going to be feeling the same way that we're feeling about Alpha. What's the next generation?
- [49:53]
Jordan
I think Alpha, I think they called them.
- [49:55]
Danny Austin
You know, it's just part of, like, life.
- [49:57]
Jordan
So do we sound cynical and jaded? It's okay. Be honest.
- [50:03]
Danny Austin
You just sound like, like, old people that will take it 0 to 100. Do you know what I mean? Yeah.
- [50:09]
Jordan
Yes. All of my generation are like, we'll figure it out. So y'all's Y'all. Okay. I remember. I remember in my early 20s, truly saying the exact same of, like, it's not that deep. Like, we'll figure it out.
- [50:22]
Danny Austin
I feel that sometimes.
- [50:23]
Jordan
And so that's. I would say that's the more internal war with me is like, am I becoming a cynical, jaded old fart?
- [50:30]
Danny Austin
We're becoming old farts.
- [50:31]
Jordan
No, but, like. But we can fight it. That's what I'm saying is like, I'm trying to figure out, do I need to fight my own cynicism, or am I, like, fighting the good fight and I'm right about something. Does that make sense? Like, it's kind of like aol. It's like. Like, when AOL was like, oh, Google's not gonna come after us. Like, we're aol or we're Yahoo. And it's like they refused to innovate, and they were just like, this is so stupid. What is a search engine? Or whatever. It was the context of the time. And then it's like, I just feel like, truly, from a business stance, if you don't innovate, you do die over time.
- [51:03]
Danny Austin
Yeah.
- [51:03]
Jordan
And so I think that we're just like, is this a moral issue, or is this just us being stuck in our ways?
- [51:08]
Danny Austin
Here's the. Oh, go ahead. Sorry. I think you guys have kids, and I think that's where the brain change comes from. Because right now, I'm, like, mindlessly scrolling. Yeah. Facebook and, like, AIM was a thing.
- [51:21]
Jordan
Yeah.
- [51:21]
Danny Austin
My parents were like, you cannot touch that. You'll get kidnapped.
- [51:25]
Jordan
Like, all things.
- [51:27]
Danny Austin
I feel like that's borderline how people feel kind of about TikTok now.
- [51:31]
Jordan
Okay, so you're saying. You're saying that we're not just cynical, jaded old farts, but we're also. The good side of how we're acting is we are trying to be good parents.
- [51:40]
Danny Austin
No. A thousand percent. Yeah. I think for me, like, bottom line is I. I don't have a problem, like, switching platforms. I just want. I don't want to do anything if I'm not having fun with it. That's why I don't do YouTube anymore. Like, I hated. By the end of it, I hated being on YouTube so much. That's why I moved to Dallas. I was like, I'm done. Like, I don't care about this career. Like, I was going to go apply to work at Reward Style and just, like, move on and not do, like, create content anymore. But then I was introduced to Instagram, and I was like, oh, my gosh I love this so much and I. I've loved it ever since. And so I just need to figure out what I love to do on TikTok. And like, once I figure out what I love, like, it, it won't matter to me. I'm like, I'm just going to create what we love to. I just haven't figured that out yet. And so I'm experimenting. I'm trying new things. We tried our vlog last or this week where we went to our. If you haven't seen on our Tik Tok, we did a vlog where we went to our prepper stash at our storage unit and I was like, I'm gonna try vlogging it. And that was fun. I thought that was fun. It didn't do like, really well or anything, but it was like a fun new piece. I filmed it a little bit differently than I would film Instagram stories. And so once I figure out my rhythm, I just need to be open to it, open minded.
- [52:54]
Jordan
I know that's what I'm being.
- [52:55]
Danny Austin
Open minded, same. And I need to be willing to try new things and kind of put my, you know, test it out and don't be an old fart that's like, stuck in her ways.
- [53:03]
Jordan
Yeah, no, I agree. I think that there's a way as long as we can find a rhythm that is healthy. And healthy looks so different than when Instagram stories came out. When Instagram stories came out, we were like, heck yeah, like, let's figure this thing out because it was just you and I. Yeah. I think that it's a really good point. She made that, like, because we have kids, the health of our family is so much harder to navigate. There's so many more nuances to it that, like, it's like, you're right. We found a way to do our jobs on Instagram where we could still be good parents and we could still still be married and maintain our private marriage and the health of that as well as like our public kind of.
- [53:34]
Danny Austin
Like, we don't really, like, show anything at night, like cooking or anything, because that's like time that we're with our kids. Like, we're doing like. But you'll see us a lot in the morning with our kids because we're like nine to five, we're working. So, like, we figured all those things out now with tech talk, we don't have it figured out. And when you have kids, there's more on the line, so it's just more taxing. It's more Emotionally draining. And. But don't worry.
- [53:56]
Jordan
And that's why we're also, like, trying to figure out the mindset of these TikTokers. Like, we. You ranted about this a lot. You're like, ah, like you're doing these vlog things, like, how are you doing it publicly like this and maintaining a healthy private life. And I'm not saying that they're not. I'm saying that they just have a totally different kind of, like, workflow and rhythm of their family than we do.
- [54:15]
Danny Austin
I would like to get to know some, like, more TikTokers because that really helped me in the, like, Instagram community was having other mommy blogger Instagram friends that, like, I relate to them so much. We're all creating.
- [54:27]
Jordan
Maybe we should have him on and ask him these questions like, hey, how are you?
- [54:30]
Danny Austin
We should have asked, like, Matt and Abby about this more.
- [54:32]
Jordan
I know, but we didn't care about TikTok.
- [54:34]
Danny Austin
I know.
- [54:35]
Jordan
Three weeks ago.
- [54:35]
Danny Austin
That was three weeks ago. I know.
- [54:37]
Jordan
Let me. We can wrap up this article, but let me just add one layer of potential conspiracy here, okay? Is that I, and I, and I believe this. Okay? I believe that Mark Zuckerberg is one of the most powerful people in the United States right now. He's one of the richest. He has strong government ties. Like, we saw how complicit he was in working with government agencies and, like, censoring speech over Covid. It would not surprise me whatsoever that he knows that he is being beat right now. Like, TikTok is beating Instagram and Meta as a whole. Like, there's just no if, ands or buts about it. Last time he was beat or being beat, it was to Instagram and he bought it for a billion dollars, and then he turned it into what, a $50 billion company, whatever it is. And then the other time he was being beat, was messaging on WhatsApp and he bought it, right? TikTok cannot be bought. It is, like, owned by China. And so it would.
- [55:32]
Danny Austin
Somebody has to buy it, right?
- [55:34]
Jordan
Maybe. And he also can't buy. He's also not going to buy Twitter. So it's like you look at the patterns of Mark Zuckerberg just as a businessman, and what he does is he's constantly saying, okay, this is working. If I cannot buy you, I'm going to copy you. So it's like he couldn't buy Twitter. So what happened? Threads. Right?
- [55:52]
Danny Austin
And just so you know, I was like, there. There was a reel that I was listening to this morning, and it was saying, the fastest way to grow right now is through threads.
- [56:00]
Jordan
Exactly.
- [56:01]
Danny Austin
Like Meta is prioritized, he shifts his.
- [56:03]
Jordan
Whole algorithm around it. And we saw this again when everyone was loving stories and it was like, can we. Can TikTok just be TikTok and Instagram just be Instagram? He was like, no. He was like, TikTok is getting so much more use time. And so now I'm going to prioritize reels. This happened like a year ago. Then we had to start creating reels. Now he's like, seeing, okay, people are over Instagram stories because even that is too long form, which is crazy. 15 to 30 second clips or a minute clips are too long form because of the way that TikTok has now wired our brain. And so it. He's not going to beat TikTok. Like, we're never going to say reels is the same thing as TikTok. He's losing that fight. And I think all the content creators know it's.
- [56:42]
Danny Austin
Yeah.
- [56:42]
Jordan
So if I were him and I was backed into this corner, what would I do? I would create a ton of propaganda. Hire. Hire. No, no, truly. I would hire the best lobbying firms in the country and I would create a narrative that this is a Chinese app that is being used to spy on our kids. I would highlight all of the negativity about it, and I would do my absolute best to get it banned. So, like, I have a hard time believing that that is also not a part of this story.
- [57:07]
Danny Austin
Yeah, like, it's like, maybe there was. Maybe he's like, pulling on that thread.
- [57:11]
Jordan
Oh, for sure.
- [57:12]
Danny Austin
He kind of started that narrative and he's like, okay, let me pour some more money into it and, like, make this a huge thing.
- [57:17]
Jordan
That was heavy.
- [57:18]
Danny Austin
That was heavy.
- [57:20]
Jordan
But else can we rant about if.
- [57:21]
Danny Austin
You want to come follow us on TikTok, it's at the Danny Austin dot. Or the. @ the Danny Austin. Please come follow us.
- [57:27]
Jordan
But, like, give us, like, three weeks to figure it out. Like, don't, don't hate on art. It's like, we're early.
- [57:33]
Danny Austin
We're.
- [57:33]
Jordan
Yeah, but we're like, figuring it out. Well, we're late. But, like, we're early in our content.
- [57:38]
Danny Austin
Yeah, okay, enough of a tech talk. I have something that will definitely make you go. I actually found this article myself.
- [57:48]
Jordan
Okay.
- [57:49]
Danny Austin
I found a buzzfeed article that is making me question everything in life. This article is based on a Reddit thread. Before I actually go into this, can you explain to people why you use thread or thread it. Why use Reddit because I think a lot of people know Reddit to be a very dangerous, disgusting place, which it is. But I was listening to the toast and Claudia Austria, like, she like hates Reddit and like I have more often now been using Reddit for actually really like good things, like for advice and stuff. So it's like, I don't know, I can't show the ones I was like reading because it's something personal. But, but you know, like, so what do you use Reddit for that is healthy?
- [58:29]
Jordan
So I think that Reddit is very similar to like Twitter for me where it's like, if it's used properly, it's generally, it's a bad place, but you can use it and like almost refine your search in ways where it's a good place. So like, I think the power of Reddit in particular is like all of the, the community. So like the subreddits.
- [58:48]
Danny Austin
Yeah.
- [58:49]
Jordan
So there's so many niches out there.
- [58:50]
Danny Austin
I'm on a Taylor Swift subreddit.
- [58:52]
Jordan
Yeah. So that one's probably.
- [58:53]
Danny Austin
They are not mean, they are just like, they just give you up.
- [58:57]
Jordan
It so depends on the moderators. That's the thing is it's a very community run, community like police type of entity. And so like I think that the toxic ones, it's like they know that they're there to be toxic. And the moderators are like, hey, we're toxic too. So this is what this is for. It's like, don't come if this is not what you want because we're toxic.
- [59:16]
Danny Austin
Like if you want to be nice, like this is not the right for that.
- [59:19]
Jordan
But Reddit is like one of the most like informational, educational places that I've ever found. You know, it's like there's, I'll just give a couple examples. Like right now, one of the ones I'm on is called it's so stupid. It's like R slash lean gains, which is basically like building lean muscle while losing body fat. And it's like just every day someone has a question that I'm thinking about. Like and I'm, you know, and so I make it a habit to read that like almost every day. And I've learned so much from doing it. Another big one that I've, I've, I stopped following it. Um, but I just wanted to like learn about. It is called R no surface. And it's basically people who are hyper addicted to their phones. Like, and I'm talking like, not like we've been talking like very addicted, like I cannot study, I cannot do anything. Like, I cannot stop reading Reddit or Twitter or whatever. And it's been interesting to kind of just like, hear their stories and their testimonies and like, the community will share tips with one another of like, oh man, I know the stage that you're in, you know, with the addiction. Like, here's some of the things that like, I've done or testimonies of. I've been, I haven't scrolled or searched or surfed in, you know, 15 days. Here's how I'm feeling. And so it's like a really powerful community for a specific type of addiction.
- [60:31]
Danny Austin
When I started Stratton on formula, what I liked about it as a mom is I could type in exactly how old my child was. I'd be like, my child is three months old, is colicky, is a male, is da da, da, da. And you'll find a Reddit thread from someone that has the exact, exact, like age of baby, the exact same formula if the baby is constipated. Here's what we did. We went to the doctor. So it's like it. Sometimes it can be very helpful.
- [60:57]
Jordan
Oh my gosh.
- [60:58]
Danny Austin
Find the specific, like, demographics that you.
- [61:01]
Jordan
Relate to so much for product reviews. I only trust Reddit now, like, because I, I believe that most of like the pilot or like, there's a couple for like software products, like any software product. I go to Reddit and I'm like, best software product for this. And there's a general consensus that happens in like all these communities of like, oh, this one's the best for this reason. And it's super honest. Right.
- [61:24]
Danny Austin
And so how does Reddit make money? Because they're not.
- [61:26]
Jordan
I think they just IPO'd.
- [61:28]
Danny Austin
Yeah. I wanna move on to this article, but that's why I think people trust Reddit so much, is cause you don't gain anything from posting. Like, you're not like, it's all anonymous, right?
- [61:38]
Jordan
Yeah, I actually didn't know that for a while. So I made my thing just like Jordan. But it's okay. I don't. Yeah, I. You can go look at my history.
- [61:45]
Danny Austin
I don't do anything because all I am is telling it.
- [61:48]
Jordan
It defaults to like an anonymous name. Right.
- [61:52]
Danny Austin
So you don't really get any gain. So it's like you're might as well just be honest because you're there for the honesty.
- [61:56]
Jordan
I know. And here's the problem is, like, there's been some things that I have had to ask about that I needed Anonymity to be able to be completely honest about, like, something I was trying to figure out or a problem I was going through or whatever. And so it's like, you're like, my.
- [62:12]
Danny Austin
Wife is an Instagram influencer and, like. No, Dallas, Texas.
- [62:18]
Jordan
And so, like, again, this is why my arguments are so complicated. Because, like, I was just a second ago saying, like, I believe that social media platforms should reduce anonymity on the Internet. But, like, anonymity on Reddit has actually, like, really benefited so many people.
- [62:32]
Danny Austin
But you don't get any gains from posting anything. Like, on Instagram. You get likes. You get. You get.
- [62:37]
Jordan
Yeah. I think that's why it's honest, though.
- [62:39]
Danny Austin
Like, when people are addicted to Reddit or Twitter, like, what are they addicted?
- [62:44]
Jordan
I think it's like the dopamine rush.
- [62:45]
Danny Austin
Of what, learning?
- [62:47]
Jordan
Kind of. Yeah, I think it's like, if you're, like, it's a good thing if you're a. Well, that's why I see my, like, iPad Twitter thing is a good thing if you're addicted to, like, perfection or, like, knowing more or knowledge or being the best at something. And maybe sometimes for, like, like, and I'm not saying this is what I am. I'm saying that, like, for a specific type of person, usually I would say male, they're addicted to, like, being in the know, like, on, like, world events, or it's the same with, like, you and whatever you're Googling on, like, pop culture, you know, it's like, it's like being addicted to kind of the.
- [63:21]
Danny Austin
No.
- [63:21]
Jordan
And so there's like, an information addiction that you get. It's kind of the same types of people that are, like, addicted to reading Fox News or CNN or all these other things. You feel like you're progressing towards something. Yeah, but maybe. And maybe you are, but probably you're not. You know, it's just information overload. But that's kind of the dopamine rush that I think people get from Reddit and from Twitter is like, it's kind of this FOMO effect. Like, if I don't. If I don't, like, follow through on my routine of reading my Reddit sub Reddits that I define as valuable or my Twitters. I'm like, I am missing out on something.
- [63:53]
Danny Austin
I see.
- [63:54]
Jordan
I missed out on a nugget of life that, like, I'm gonna be taught something. Right. And it has provided so much value, too.
- [64:01]
Danny Austin
Yeah. Like, I mean, look at you, you know, all the conspiracy theories, very knowledgeable about very random things.
- [64:06]
Jordan
But Even, like, parenting stuff. Like, I've learned so many, like, tricks and stuff there too. Anyway, we're not. This is even about Reddit.
- [64:13]
Danny Austin
No, this is. This is.
- [64:14]
Jordan
Get to the buzzfeed article.
- [64:16]
Danny Austin
So the article is based on a Reddit thread where people are sharing industry secrets they think the public deserves to. To know. There are so many. That made my jaw drop. But we'd be here all day if I read them all, so I'm going to share the most absurd, craziest, and mind blowing ones with you. Now. Let me pre preface with these are things that people wrote. So we're going to say these are all alleged dirty little secrets. This one, like, really grossed me out because I'm always a little grossed out by hotel rooms because I'm like, yeah, there's no way that every single square inch of this is being turned over and, like, cleaned.
- [64:51]
Jordan
Oh, the comforters, like, hardly ever.
- [64:53]
Danny Austin
Yep. Do you think?
- [64:54]
Jordan
No, my, my relative, I won't say who was a manager at a very prominent hotel. Like.
- [65:01]
Danny Austin
And they don't clean the comforters?
- [65:02]
Jordan
No. Oh, he was like, maybe, maybe once every. I think it. It was either once every two weeks or once every month.
- [65:10]
Danny Austin
Sheets.
- [65:11]
Jordan
Sheets. Yes, sheets are turned over.
- [65:12]
Danny Austin
Comforters, no comforter zone. Apparently people are using hotel coffee or tea kettles to clean their underwear, and this has become a huge issue. First of all, that's kind of genius. I never thought about that because, like, like, come on. Like, there's so many times I'm like, I'm bringing 18 pairs of underwear because you know what, what could happen? And I never thought you could clean them in, in the hotel room.
- [65:38]
Jordan
Can you, like, explain this? Like, I'm five. How would you use a coffee maker to clean underwear?
- [65:42]
Danny Austin
Okay, so I'm not totally sure here, but I'm assuming, like, you use it because you put a little water in there. You could even heat it up and put some soap and slosh it around.
- [65:51]
C
That's genius.
- [65:53]
Jordan
It's so genius.
- [65:54]
Danny Austin
It's so disgusting. I don't even drink coffee from the Keurigs in there. I don't know why. Ever since I got that station on my face because my Keurig had mold in it. Did we talk about this?
- [66:04]
Jordan
Yeah. But yeah, I'm. I'm actually, like, pretty nauseous just thinking about the mental.
- [66:09]
Danny Austin
Yeah, the tea kettle. So don't drink from the tea kettles or the coffee kettles in your hotel rooms, people. Number two, leaving online shopping items in your cart while being logged in will likely put you into an Automated discount stream.
- [66:25]
Jordan
What does that mean? Like, it'll just like, think that you're not.
- [66:30]
Danny Austin
Oh, okay, so. Okay, so now I get what they're saying. Okay, so leaving online shopping items in your cart while being logged in. So if you are logged in, let's just say on Walmart, and you are like about to purchase some sidewalk talk and some arts and crafts for your kids and you don't actually buy it, stuff like Walmart will put you on an automated email list. Yes, I am put on so many automated email lists it drives me nuts. I don't even know some of these companies that I'm subscribed to.
- [66:59]
Jordan
Can I tell you the biggest hack that I will ever probably share on this podcast?
- [67:02]
Danny Austin
Please do. I'm on the edge of my seat.
- [67:04]
Jordan
Okay. It's a software called Clean Email. And basically what it will do is it you log your email into this software.
- [67:13]
Danny Austin
Why have you never given this to me? Do you see my email?
- [67:15]
Jordan
Yeah, but honestly, you're so difficult to like, give processes to that sometimes I'm just like, I'm just going to keep this to myself because. Because trying to get this over would be so hard time. So anyway, it's called Clean email, okay. And what it does is you can create rules for your inbox and it will auto send all these things into spam. So you never actually see any of the spam emails. And then what you can do is it has this feature called Screener and if like anyone new is emailing you, you can. It'll like put it into almost like a purgatory and then you can say accept or deny accept or have your assistant do that.
- [68:00]
Danny Austin
Really though?
- [68:01]
Jordan
Yeah, I will.
- [68:01]
Danny Austin
My email is so annoying. I never check my email because there's so many from Crate and Barrel and like all these stores and like, what about these spas? How do spas get my email? I've never gotten a massage at these places.
- [68:14]
Jordan
Oh yeah, you're on list.
- [68:15]
Danny Austin
I'm on so many lists.
- [68:17]
Jordan
So many lists.
- [68:17]
Danny Austin
So please help me. Yeah, Enterprise Rent a Car buys their car straight for the manufacturers at a price price lower than dealerships get and then sells them a year later for higher than they originally paid for it.
- [68:28]
Jordan
True. Someone on our team did this. I was shocked.
- [68:31]
Danny Austin
Wait, tell me. I don't understand what I just read. What do you mean?
- [68:33]
Jordan
So basically what they'll do is they'll buy the car straight from the manufacturer.
- [68:37]
Danny Austin
Okay.
- [68:38]
Jordan
And then let the, like, let people drive it for a year by renting it. And then they will sometimes sell their cars back to consumers. So you can get a really good deal on a car if you buy it from a rental car company because.
- [68:50]
Danny Austin
They'Re buying it from the manufacturer, not like they're not buying it from Toyota dealership. They're buying it from.
- [68:56]
Jordan
Right. So it's already, like, missing all of those markups. And so then they sell it back, and they might make a little bit of a profit, but usually it's already been worn. So you're getting kind of a used car direct from the manufacturer. So it's kind of the best way to buy a car.
- [69:09]
Danny Austin
Typically, like, they're. They're still nice. They're not, like, to use.
- [69:12]
Jordan
Yeah, it's like. Yeah, just like you would buy a used car. So, speaking of dirty secrets, do we have any dirty secrets about our industry?
- [69:20]
Danny Austin
Of course.
- [69:21]
Jordan
Such as?
- [69:22]
Danny Austin
There's so many.
- [69:24]
Jordan
I don't feel like there are.
- [69:25]
Danny Austin
Okay. So when you're going to an influencer event, really, everyone's getting along. There's so much beef with, like, and it's sometimes exhausting walking to a room because I tend to be a floater, and so I tend to be, like, kind of friends with everyone, but then I have to be like, okay, wait, she doesn't like her, and she doesn't like her. So I just got a photo with her. I hope she just is not mad at me that I got in a photo with her. Like, let me go talk to her for a second maybe. Sure. She feels taken care of. Yeah, like, it's. It's a little exhausting. And I think that there's a definitely, like, an undertone of, let's go talk to the biggest girl in the room. Like, everybody knows. It's like, okay, that's like, if the Alex Earl of Instagram is in the room, that's where everybody's flocking and everybody's. I remember to go back, but, like, I remember I had been friends with these girls on Instagram for years, and then there was, like, this new, like, hot commodity. I'll tell you who it was at the time.
- [70:18]
Jordan
Oh, yeah? Yeah.
- [70:19]
Danny Austin
Okay. So, like, she just is blowing up on Instagram. Okay. And these girls that I thought were, like, really good friends of mine, like, completely forgot about my birthday and planned this girl this, like, huge birthday, like, dinner. And I was like, dude, we've been friends for, like, four years, and I didn't even, like, get a text from y'all, but y'all are planning this girl like, this. I mean, they've literally been friends for a month, and they throw her, like, this big birthday dinner at one of the nicest restaurants in Dallas. I'm like, this is so obvious that you're just, like, doing this because this girl's blowing up on Instagram. Like, you don't even really know her, you know? So stuff like that happens. Moving on to things that make me go, girl, this one's kind of funny. It's kind of goofy. Okay, but have you noticed, like, when husbands act like they don't like certain things in the name of masculinity, when all of us wives, we just see right through it, like, we know that you love it and so why not just embrace it? I think that they're trying to hold on to this, like, sense of masculinity, but, like, it's not hard to see.
- [71:23]
Jordan
Yeah.
- [71:24]
Danny Austin
Can I give you an example?
- [71:24]
Jordan
Give me some examples.
- [71:26]
Danny Austin
I mean, the biggest example I can think of, like, right off the bat, which I think we all relate to, is, like, number one, I don't want to watch that girly show. Like, I'm not going to watch it. Love is blind.
- [71:36]
Jordan
Yeah. But then when we're in. We're in.
- [71:38]
Danny Austin
We're in it. Or the Bachelor.
- [71:40]
Jordan
The Bachelor. That was. That was. That used to be good. I don't watch it anymore.
- [71:44]
Danny Austin
But it's so obvious.
- [71:45]
Jordan
I do watch it.
- [71:46]
Danny Austin
And, like, you know what I think a big one is going to be?
- [71:49]
Jordan
What?
- [71:50]
Danny Austin
Acotar.
- [71:51]
Jordan
You think?
- [71:52]
Danny Austin
So my favorite. I remember my tick tock feed, like, for a while when, like, I was getting on TikTok the most when I'm, like, searching things.
- [71:59]
Jordan
Yeah.
- [71:59]
Danny Austin
And I was like, so into Acotar. I wanted to see, see all of. Because since it's fantasy, a lot of people will put like, AI to a lot of the characters so you can have a vision, like a visual whenever you're reading. And when I was going through that rabbit hole of, like, Acotar tick tock, my favorite ones, I think I talked about this were like, of the husbands reacting. Reacting to Acotar. It is so cute and so interesting because, like, every time they're on the first chapter and they're like, I don't want to be reading this. And then by the seventh chapter, they're like, no, is she gonna be okay?
- [72:27]
Jordan
Okay.
- [72:28]
Danny Austin
Like, they're so invested. So, yeah, any girly show, I. I.
- [72:33]
Jordan
Think that for me, it's just, I. I'm definitely going to be resistant to, like, a Love is blind, but when it's something for us to talk about, it's like, there's Just like effect that happens with husbands when you're, like, invested in some type of. Like, it could be something stupid like gossip or drama with your friends. I'm like. And she said, what? And I'm like, I'm so invested with you.
- [72:55]
Danny Austin
I'm glad that you bought them. Brought that up. Because the second one is girl talk or work drama talk.
- [73:02]
Jordan
Yeah.
- [73:03]
Danny Austin
Every guy wants to act like they don't care, but the moment you started talking about girls or anything that happened in the friend group, you are so invested in that drama. But it's the same thing. Like, I would be too.
- [73:15]
Jordan
You know, it's so funny about it, too, is like, I feel like most husbands, their wives can do no wrong. So it's like, probably pretty toxic because you might be, like, talking to me. Yeah. And she said this to me, and I'm like, can you believe that? Not like, well, Danny, what was your responsibility in the situation? I'm like, that is so wrong. You were. You were so right always. You can never do any wrong.
- [73:36]
Danny Austin
That's why we tell you. Because you're our rider. Yeah.
- [73:38]
Jordan
You're where the rider dies.
- [73:39]
Danny Austin
That actually reminds me of that really funny reel when it's like. When it's like, when you start gossiping with your dad, it's like. And then that's like, she's also ugly. I feel like that was so my dad growing up. Like, my dad would bring up, like, because my dad loved to hear about my friendship drama.
- [73:57]
Jordan
Oh, he does.
- [73:58]
Danny Austin
He loved that stuff. And so I'd always tell him and. And, like, he would just make the most off the cuff, like, rude comment about her. And, like, her feet are really big. And I'm like, yeah. Like, it's like, it's so funny.
- [74:09]
Jordan
It's funny. I wonder how many couples do this. But, like, when I come back from, like, hanging out with friends or you come back from hanging out with friends, or even if we both leave, like, a party like this, psychoanalyzing. That happens of like, oh, did you hear about this conversation? Or did you hear this going on? Like, I feel like most couples have to do that, right?
- [74:27]
Danny Austin
Yes.
- [74:28]
Jordan
It's not just us.
- [74:29]
Danny Austin
I've noticed more in our friend group, like, okay, wives being concerned if the their husbands are getting along with the other husband.
- [74:39]
Jordan
Like, it's like, okay, so we're so easy. I feel like all the guys all the time talk about this. We're like, hey, we're like, all good to be here, you know?
- [74:47]
Danny Austin
That is so not true. You've had them that's not how it always was. Especially when you meet like a new. When I introduce you to a new like couple or something. And I've been hanging out with the wife and then me and the wife were hanging out and we're like, like we're side eyeing the whole time. Like, oh my gosh, like, are they getting along? Like, we're always so concerned about the guys.
- [75:05]
Jordan
It was like that even post kids.
- [75:07]
Danny Austin
Like a year ago.
- [75:08]
Jordan
I feel like when we lived in Austin, you are allowed to have a lot more of opinions about who you want to hang out with pre kids. So like if you had this really good girlfriend, it was like the expectation was that I liked her boyfriend or her husband. I would probably be more opinionated about it and be like, I don't really want to hang out with him. I don't really like him.
- [75:27]
Danny Austin
I have those people that you do not want to hang out.
- [75:30]
Jordan
But post kids I feel like it's like there's just this expectation that it's like I'm just here, my wife's happy and I'm good with all of you guys.
- [75:39]
Danny Austin
There is a difference between getting along with someone and like vibing with someone. And I want you to vibe with them and like be able to hang out them without me being there. And honestly it. Okay, that's influences who, what girls I hang out with.
- [75:52]
Jordan
You know what, I'm big out. I'm big on at this stage of my life. And I've said this word a lot. Curation of guy groups, like curating the guy group because like all of our guy friends, they have such different like personalities and characteristics. Like I put together the ski trip and I thought it was pretty well curated and it was 13 people. That's hard to curate that many people. So it's like, I know what I bring to the table.
- [76:16]
Danny Austin
Just invited every person, you know?
- [76:17]
Jordan
No, no, no. It was very curated and it's, it gets harder when you're in small groups because I'm like, ah, this person is going to like get along with this person pretty well. But like, you know, we need kind of like a wild card, you know. So I've got a couple wild cards of the friend group that are like, I rotate them and I'm like, okay, this guy's a little bit more quiet. We need the wild card here. And then I, I just am kind of the planner. So I just. My, what I do in friend groups is I show up and I just am like fly on the wall.
- [76:43]
Danny Austin
Yeah.
- [76:44]
Jordan
I'm like, y'all had fun. I had fun. I'm good.
- [76:47]
Danny Austin
You're good. You know, example number three, skin care and self care routines.
- [76:53]
Jordan
No one's hiding that. We all love it. All the guys love it. Charlotte Tilbury. Call me Bougie, but I'm a bougie dollar Magic cream.
- [77:01]
Danny Austin
Though the biggest one that he still for me is the Mariana Hewitt, the cloud.
- [77:05]
Jordan
She always says, this is mama's stuff. And I say, this is my stuff.
- [77:08]
Danny Austin
There's no. There's stuff. There's products I literally hide from you.
- [77:11]
Jordan
Yeah. I don't tell him, like, what is the Charlotte? The white stuff. The Charlotte, the magic cream. Man, that is a dope product. Let me tell you.
- [77:20]
Danny Austin
You like the cloud cream from Summer Friday is the new blue one.
- [77:22]
Jordan
I will tell you, though, that my guy friends come up to me a lot. There's been three guys that have asked me about my skincare routine. I'm telling you. And I tell him. I'm like, okay, well, here's what I steal from Danny.
- [77:33]
Danny Austin
He's like.
- [77:34]
Jordan
I'm like, drunk elephant. Good brand. Summer Fridays. Great brand. Elemis. Anything not scented. The scented stuff breaks me out.
- [77:41]
Danny Austin
That's why we do kills. Because he can't do the fragrance.
- [77:43]
Jordan
So, like, I know my brands. Does that demasculate or emasculate me? No, I don't think so either. I feel like for me, for me, it's an investment in the future of my elasticity. For you, when I'm 40.
- [77:59]
Danny Austin
No. I think everyone's gonna take care of their skin.
- [78:01]
Jordan
Yeah.
- [78:02]
Danny Austin
There. There are certain things that I think is. Is odd or are odd if a man invests in.
- [78:10]
Jordan
Okay.
- [78:11]
Danny Austin
But I don't know if I want to say because I don't want to hurt anyone's feelings. Well, because there's probably guys that do these things.
- [78:18]
Jordan
Let's just say it. Maybe cut it.
- [78:21]
Danny Austin
Okay, we can cut it. I just think it's sometimes.
- [78:25]
Jordan
Well, like haircuts.
- [78:26]
Danny Austin
No man should get a haircut. I don't even care if you dye your hair. Like, that's.
- [78:30]
Jordan
I think. I think pedicures are weird.
- [78:32]
Danny Austin
No, I. No, really. Men needs to get pedicures. If you are listening to this and you are a man or you're a wife married to a man, your man needs to get pedicures. There is nothing more disgusting than nasty toes. Like, get a pedicure.
- [78:46]
Jordan
That's why one thing that feels pretty effeminate to me is getting pedicures. But most it might be the environment. Like, it's like going to A nail salon. Rose couture. I'm telling you, covered in flowers.
- [78:58]
Danny Austin
Room is. No one in that room is thinking about that. We are all thinking about the guy that's not getting the pedicure with nasty, grimy, moldy toes, dirt under his toenails. That is more disgusting than the man sitting in there taking care of his toenail nails.
- [79:12]
Jordan
Okay, well, I'm so curious what these things are.
- [79:17]
Danny Austin
I think it's just odd when men get spray tans. I. I know I force you to do some sometimes, but, like, I just think it's odd. I don't know why. My dad gets them. Not like. Like, regularly. Like, he does it whenever I.
- [79:32]
Jordan
He's gonna come after you for this podcast.
- [79:34]
Danny Austin
I know.
- [79:34]
Jordan
I keep it in. Keep it in, don't take it out.
- [79:37]
Danny Austin
I just. I just sometimes think it's odd.
- [79:40]
Jordan
It's not me. I. I do. I don't. I got a spray tan one time because Landon. You made Landon, and I made y'all get it because I do not get spray tan.
- [79:48]
Danny Austin
You would do if you lost a bet, but, like, if you're voluntarily getting a spray tan as a man, I don't know why. It's just weird to me. But it's not. Like, I'm not. I don't want to be mean because I think there's a lot of men that are. And you know what?
- [80:02]
Jordan
Well, it's. It's very big in the bodybuilding community.
- [80:05]
Danny Austin
Yeah. I don't know. Maybe I have a problem because I think that.
- [80:09]
Jordan
Yeah, that's, like. That sounds like a personal preference to you. There's probably a lot of female listeners who agree, and there's probably some that are like, whatever.
- [80:16]
Danny Austin
And maybe some. Honestly, some listeners are probably like, no, like, I do not want my.
- [80:20]
Jordan
But I will tell you this. I'm going to tell you this. The reason I'm not scared about you keeping this in the podcast is because the men who get spray tans will die.
- [80:27]
Danny Austin
Yeah.
- [80:28]
Jordan
Live and die by spray tans being a thing that they should do.
- [80:30]
Danny Austin
If you are.
- [80:31]
Jordan
They're so secure that they're not hiding their spray tans. They're like. They're like, I get spray tans, and I'm. I'm all about it.
- [80:38]
Danny Austin
Let me tell you. If you are a man and you are insecure about something that you do for your hygiene or for cosmetically. Own it. Because the most cringy thing is when you hide it. Like, if you're secretly going and getting pedicures and then acting all ashamed, like that gives me the ick. Like, dude, be like, no, pedicures are awesome. They give you a massage. They cut my toenails. I don't scratch my wife. Whenever I'm laying in bed next to. To her, I can wear sandals and not be insecure. Like, if you're getting a spray time, be like, I'm. I'm white as can be. I look good in my swimsuits. Like, own. Whatever.
- [81:07]
Jordan
It is such a big part of it. It's just owning it.
- [81:09]
Danny Austin
It's all your ass.
- [81:10]
Jordan
And then that's how men influence one another.
- [81:13]
Danny Austin
Yeah. It's like, dude, I got a spray.
- [81:14]
Jordan
And he's like, this is like. So how a guy would react? They'd be like, huh, no crap. How much was it? Yeah, what shade you get?
- [81:25]
Danny Austin
They told me they. They airbrushed my ass.
- [81:28]
Jordan
And then what the guy in the friend group is going to do is going to be like, babe, can you believe this guy got a spray tan? And the wife's going to be like, oh, that's. That's fine. He'd be like, really? Well, do you have a girl?
- [81:36]
Danny Austin
Really? Just. Just kind of putting it out there.
- [81:39]
Jordan
Are there any other things that you find effeminate or that give you the ick? Like, do you. Does it bother you that, like, I. So I don't really have, like, I. I don't think I can grow a beard.
- [81:52]
Danny Austin
No.
- [81:52]
Jordan
I, like, I can grow like, a very prominent, like, stash maybe, but it's gonna be pretty prickly. But I just don't have a lot of body hair. Like, my chest, I don't have.
- [82:05]
Danny Austin
So funny. I feel like I've never been like, a beard or body hair girl. Some guys, like, love it and they are like, oh, I need a guy with a beard. To me, I was like, it kind of just looks like it get messy up in there.
- [82:18]
Jordan
Yeah.
- [82:18]
Danny Austin
Like food and like, scratching. I'm like, how do you make out with that?
- [82:21]
Jordan
Yeah.
- [82:22]
Danny Austin
And do other things.
- [82:23]
Jordan
So. So it doesn't. So it doesn't bother you?
- [82:27]
Danny Austin
No, I.
- [82:27]
Jordan
You didn't wish I had, like, a huge hairy chest?
- [82:29]
Danny Austin
I actually think I prefer that you don't have a lot of body hair.
- [82:32]
Jordan
So let me ask you this. If I did have a lot of body hair and I waxed my chest to get it off, would that be ick for you?
- [82:41]
Danny Austin
Okay, here's kind of a.
- [82:43]
Jordan
It's a philosophical question.
- [82:46]
Danny Austin
I feel like it would give me the egg.
- [82:48]
Jordan
It's pretty. Like, I. Yeah, I mean, it's kind of like you gotta Own it.
- [82:51]
Danny Austin
And, like, I think this is what it is. And I. I am not saying that it is wrong for men to be high maintenance, because I know some. But I think that I'm so high maintenance that I don't want to be married to someone that's high maintenance. Like, I want a man to be sturdy and, like, not a lot of maintenance and. And like, always just there. Like, and not be, like, so concerned about his looks all the time.
- [83:16]
Jordan
Okay.
- [83:16]
Danny Austin
So I like when men are probably just. For me personally, I like a low maintenance man.
- [83:21]
Jordan
Okay.
- [83:22]
Danny Austin
Pretty low maintenance, in my opinion.
- [83:24]
Jordan
Yeah. Here's my question. I feel like this is a question that anyone would want to know. Okay, what about. What are your thoughts on manscaping? Is it feminine?
- [83:38]
Danny Austin
Wait, what is manscaping? Like, is. Do you, like, you know, do you make, like a shape or something?
- [83:43]
Jordan
No, it's just general because I think.
- [83:45]
Danny Austin
About, like, landscaping and it's like. Is there like a triangle?
- [83:48]
Jordan
It's more so. Okay, fine. There's tiers of. Of manscaping.
- [83:52]
Danny Austin
Okay.
- [83:52]
Jordan
Okay, there's the haircut.
- [83:54]
Danny Austin
So, like, ball, like naked mole rat.
- [83:56]
Jordan
No, no, that's level two. So trim haircut. And then there's naked mole rat. And then there's naked mole rat in the form of waxing. Oh, so what can be on the balls?
- [84:09]
Danny Austin
For sure?
- [84:10]
Jordan
Well, sure, but what I'm saying is, like, which level gives you the ick? Level one? Level two? Level three? Stop me when level one.
- [84:20]
Danny Austin
Wait. I just. I'm just curious because I actually don't know this. Are there different shapes and things that people are doing? Like art, like manscaping art?
- [84:28]
Jordan
Do you want there to be different shapes?
- [84:34]
Danny Austin
I'm dying. I've never thought about it before, but. No, I think that would be weird.
- [84:38]
Jordan
I mean, I don't think, like, there's like. Like sometimes, like, you got the fade or you got the afro.
- [84:48]
Danny Austin
Like a perm.
- [84:49]
Jordan
Yeah. I don't think that there's different hairstyles for yours.
- [84:52]
Danny Austin
You know, I don't know if you know this, but that's like, a thing for girls. I think you can do, like, shapes and stuff.
- [84:59]
Jordan
Oh, interesting.
- [85:00]
Danny Austin
So for, like, I'm sure that some.
- [85:02]
Jordan
Guys do that for girls, I'm like, level three. For me, like, no, ick. Level three. I'm good.
- [85:07]
Danny Austin
What's the thing?
- [85:07]
Jordan
Like, naked mole rat via. By form of waxing, I'm like, I'm good with it if you want to go naked. Roll matt by.
- [85:16]
Danny Austin
Well, I'll just say I've already done waxing. One time in my life and I'll never do it again.
- [85:20]
Jordan
Okay, well, I can live in level two, but level one where you're like, like, experimenting with haircuts. I'm like, ah, know, we. We should. That's just not my thing.
- [85:28]
Danny Austin
But okay, like. Okay, so some guys. Okay. Anyway. What.
- [85:38]
Jordan
So I'm curious, like, what level gives you the.
- [85:40]
Danny Austin
I forgot for guys? Okay. Okay. I would say a 2 to 3.
- [85:47]
Jordan
That's ick for you.
- [85:48]
Danny Austin
No, that's where we need to live.
- [85:51]
Jordan
So to be clear, you want me to go wax.
- [85:54]
Danny Austin
Oh, no, no, no, no, no.
- [85:56]
Jordan
Okay, so level one is haircut. Level two is. Is naked mole rat.
- [86:00]
Danny Austin
Well, no, because you skipped levels.
- [86:02]
Jordan
We've been.
- [86:03]
Danny Austin
What about just like, let it all go?
- [86:04]
Jordan
Yeah, true.
- [86:05]
Danny Austin
So that's what I was. That's where I don't want to live.
- [86:08]
Jordan
Okay.
- [86:08]
Danny Austin
And I don't want to live in that zero zone.
- [86:10]
Jordan
Okay.
- [86:11]
Danny Austin
So that's why. Okay, so let's say level one is let it fly. Literally.
- [86:15]
Jordan
Let's say, let's do haircut.
- [86:17]
Danny Austin
Three is a shave. Four is a wax.
- [86:20]
Jordan
Okay, fine.
- [86:20]
Danny Austin
We'll do this between the two and the three level.
- [86:23]
Jordan
So haircut and naked mole rat.
- [86:26]
Danny Austin
Yeah.
- [86:26]
Jordan
Okay. You don't mind a naked.
- [86:28]
Danny Austin
Here's. Here's the thing. When it comes to hair, for me, I don't. This is so gross. But, like, even beard, like. Yeah, like, I don't want to be around hair that has things in it. Like, that's so gross to me.
- [86:41]
Jordan
Yeah.
- [86:41]
Danny Austin
I don't know how, like, girls, when they're making that, like, I've thought about this often with, like, Travis Kelsey's beard is getting, like, really bushy and, like, it kind of gives me the ick. Like, I'm like, he could have eaten crackers like, two days ago and it's still in there. That's too much. I don't like that. Like, I need it.
- [86:56]
Jordan
Personal preference, but I understand.
- [86:58]
Danny Austin
Yeah, I'm sorry. Like, Taylor and you. Go for it, girlfriend. But, like, I just. And I don't mind, like, a little scruff. Yeah, like, that's okay. But the beards really freak me out. I'm like, what are you hiding in there?
- [87:07]
Jordan
See, I think most guys are, like, level three or four.
- [87:14]
Danny Austin
No, you're not. You're not, right? Because I Talked to, like, two or three of my girlfriends about this on my 30th birthday party in Cabo. We were on the pool floating. And you're wrong because I asked them.
- [87:24]
Jordan
So that means their husbands are level one or Two.
- [87:30]
Danny Austin
Yeah. A lot of.
- [87:31]
Jordan
I am so shook by this. I, like, literally need data on this. No, I am so convinced. You are so wrong.
- [87:38]
Danny Austin
Woman. It's like, more woman. You're like a woman.
- [87:41]
Jordan
That's why they said I. I, like, need to text friends right now. No, I'm like, I'm so. I am so convinced that you're wrong that, like, I don't think I've ever.
- [87:52]
Danny Austin
No, I'll tell you.
- [87:54]
Jordan
No way.
- [87:55]
Danny Austin
I'll tell you who.
- [87:56]
Jordan
Well, I can hurry. Interesting. Well, there's always been something quirky about them. Let's be real. I don't think we can say, hey, that's the standard. That's the. That's the mean. That's the average, I think. The average.
- [88:17]
Danny Austin
I don't think it's that odd.
- [88:19]
Jordan
Well, let's just. I mean. Okay, let's just not experiment.
- [88:23]
Danny Austin
Plus, if it's just natural.
- [88:25]
Jordan
Babe, you're right. I love women in all of their shapes, sizes, and forms. And I believe that femininity is the most beautiful thing in the entire world.
- [88:35]
Danny Austin
Can I say something? I've always wanted to know, and you've never extra, like, told me anything about this before. Does it gross you out when I don't shave my legs?
- [88:45]
Jordan
No, it grosses you out more than it grosses me out.
- [88:48]
Danny Austin
So it doesn't gross you out?
- [88:50]
Jordan
No. Because I've never been able. They've never been so outgrown that I'm like, oh. I mean, sometimes it's pretty bad. It's. It's a strange sensation when I, like, rub not down, but up, and I can feel like. And I'm like, oh, okay. But, no, not really. You're very well groomed. I will say, like, you've always been very well kept and well groomed. Like, I've never really had to be like, hey, like, you should shave your armpits or something like that. Like, you're.
- [89:17]
Danny Austin
Yeah.
- [89:17]
Jordan
You're just. I think that's you as a person, though.
- [89:20]
Danny Austin
Yeah. I mean, I try. But I will say there are times that the. The legs, the. The calves don't.
- [89:26]
Jordan
I can tell that you're very insecure about it when they get long, but it doesn't bother me.
- [89:30]
Danny Austin
Okay.
- [89:31]
Jordan
So, like, live in freedom, do you, girl?
- [89:33]
Danny Austin
I've been. I've been wondering that for a long time. Yeah, just not for too long about myself. And so, like, when I see. And sometimes you, like, miss a spot and you're like, yeah, that's hard. I hope nobody sees that. Like, especially when it's around the ankle. Like, it's so gross to me on my. On myself that I like, sometimes I'm like, I have to go. Like, I actually just see one right now. I'm like, I gotta go.
- [89:53]
Jordan
Okay, we'll fix that. Look at me. I'm ashamed.
- [89:57]
Danny Austin
Before we end this episode, I would absolutely love for you guys to go follow us on D influence on Instagram and Tick Tock and maybe comment on some of them and tell us what you like, what segments you like, what you want more of. Any type of that feedback we actually do read. We're up on there in the comments in the dms and it helps so much. And last thing I want to say is Divi is launching a new product.
- [90:25]
Jordan
Oh, boom.
- [90:26]
Danny Austin
Bombshell, I guess.
- [90:27]
Jordan
Bombshell.
- [90:28]
Danny Austin
Yeah. We haven't released what it is yet, but if you're thinking it, you're probably right because a lot of people know what it is already. You also posted a video on my Instagram stories where it was in the reflection of the.
- [90:41]
Jordan
Did I?
- [90:42]
Danny Austin
Yeah, you did.
- [90:43]
Jordan
No.
- [90:44]
Danny Austin
Okay. Like, everybody knows already.
- [90:46]
Jordan
Was this. Like, when. When was this?
- [90:48]
Danny Austin
When we did the. The zoom call. It's okay. You had to really be, like, looking funny.
- [90:54]
Jordan
That's so me.
- [90:55]
Danny Austin
Yeah. Yeah. But just keep an eye on divi, especially divofficial.com, because you will be seeing what we're launching soon.
- [91:04]
Jordan
It's top secret.
- [91:05]
Danny Austin
It's top secret. Okay. We love you guys and we'll talk to you later. Bye. Please note that this episode may contain paid endorsements and advertisements for products and services. Individuals on the show may have a direct or indirect financial interest in products or services referred to in this episode.