Should I Tell Them The Really Bad Thing I Did?

Summary

Podcast Summary: De-Influenced with Dani + Jordan Episode Title: Should I Tell Them The Really Bad Thing I Did? Release Date: June 5, 2025

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1. Navigating Social Life at Country Clubs

The episode begins with Dani and Jordan discussing their attempts to inject more social activities into their typically serene weekends at the lake. Dani explains her strategy to spend more time in Dallas by organizing multiple friend hangouts, emphasizing her knack for building connections:

“I invited a family that I met at Stella's dance recital... it's so me.” [00:43]

Jordan and Dani delve into the dynamics of modern social games like mahjong, pondering their resurgence and potential cultural implications. They critique the exclusivity of country clubs, highlighting gender disparities:

Dani: “You pay to play. If you pay, you get to go.” [05:00]

Jordan: “It's disgusting how oppressive country clubs are to women in America.” [10:32]

They explore the historical underpinnings that have led to the current state of country clubs, particularly the unequal treatment of women, and discuss the idea of creating women-only clubs as a form of reverse discrimination.

2. Dani’s Country Club Tennis Experience

Dani shares her recent experience playing tennis at a country club, highlighting both the competitive nature of the game and her personal growth in handling self-criticism:

“When I miss the ball, it is like the world has been crumbled in front of me.” [07:17]

She contrasts her behavior in familiar settings versus new social environments, noting how playing with strangers teaches her to manage self-talk and competitive anxiety.

3. The Rug Delivery Mishap

Transitioning from social anecdotes, Dani recounts a humorous yet frustrating incident involving incorrect rug deliveries from Anthropology. The mishap unfolded as follows:

Dani: “I got invited, and I was so excited... but they turned out to be the wrong rug.” [21:21]

Despite her attempts to rectify the situation by offering additional payment, the delivery team left with the incorrect rug, leading to a series of unexpected outcomes. This story underscores Dani’s tendency to overcommit socially, often leading to amusing predicaments.

4. Personal Projects and Lifestyle

Both hosts discuss their personal endeavors, including Dani’s newfound passion for running and managing household projects. Dani mentions:

“I've started running again, so I'm so sore.” [27:14]

They touch upon the challenges of balancing a growing business with personal life, emphasizing the importance of staying true to oneself amidst various social obligations.

5. Interview with Sally: Insight into Amish Life

A significant portion of the episode features an in-depth interview with Sally, an ex-Amish individual, providing listeners with a rare glimpse into Amish culture and the complexities of leaving the community.

Key Discussion Points:

• Amish Upbringing: Sally describes her life growing up within the Amish community, detailing daily chores, limited education (up to eighth grade), and the absence of modern amenities like television and the internet.

  “We had propane lights or gas lanterns... nothing like TVs.” [41:46]

• Cultural Practices: She explains the concept of Raum Springa (akin to Rumspringa), a period when Amish youth explore the outside world to decide whether to remain in the community.

• Leaving the Amish: Sally shares her journey of leaving the Amish community in 2023, highlighting the lack of shunning practices within her family and the challenges faced when adopting new religious beliefs.

  “They have their own take on, like, scriptures and stuff...” [44:42]

• Issues Within the Community: The conversation delves into darker aspects, such as high rates of sexual abuse within the Amish community, citing a study indicating that 85% of Amish individuals experience such abuse.

  “It is insane.” [50:05]

• Modern-Day Amish: Sally discusses how modern influences have seeped into Amish life, leading to an erosion of traditional values and increased vulnerability among community members.

• Cultural Misrepresentations: The hosts critique popular media portrayals of the Amish, asserting that shows like "Breaking Amish" are scripted and do not accurately reflect the true nature of Amish life.

  Jordan: “It's all scripted and yeah, none of it actually shows the true stuff that goes on under the Amish.” [51:05]

Notable Quotes:

• Sally: “The main thing that I do not agree with the Amish is how normalized it is to drink and smoke and like, really do all that stuff.” [40:08]

• Dani: “If I don't agree with what someone says... I always say, 'You're so funny.'” [14:09]

6. Reflections on Society and Vulnerability

Post-interview, Dani and Jordan reflect on the societal structures that leave individuals vulnerable, especially within insular communities like the Amish. Dani emphasizes the importance of education and the dangers of limited exposure to the broader world:

“They're setting people up to, like, brainwash them because you're not giving them the tools to understand their environment or their future.” [53:54]

7. Closing Banter and Future Plans

The episode concludes with lighthearted banter, including Jordan’s encounter with a coyote and playful teasing about future podcast guests. They express enthusiasm for upcoming social events and continue to weave humor into their closing remarks.

Jordan: “Happy Friday, everyone. We love you so much. Bye. Bye. Bye.” [63:25]

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Conclusion

In this episode, Dani and Jordan adeptly balance personal anecdotes, social commentary, and a profound interview to explore themes of community, identity, and vulnerability. Through their candid conversations and Sally’s insightful narrative, listeners gain a multifaceted understanding of both the exclusivity of country clubs and the intricate realities of Amish life. The episode underscores the importance of authenticity, education, and the courage to confront uncomfortable truths within societal structures.

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Notable Quotes:

1. Dani on Social Strategy: “I'm cramming in, like, five friend hangouts.” [00:43]
2. Jordan on Country Clubs: “It's disgusting how oppressive country clubs are to women in America.” [10:32]
3. Dani on Self-Criticism in Tennis: “When I miss the ball, it is like the world has been crumbled in front of me.” [07:17]
4. Sally on Amish Practices: “We had propane lights or gas lanterns... nothing like TVs.” [41:46]
5. Sally on Abuse Statistics: “It is insane.” [50:05]
6. Dani on Authentic Interactions: “If I don't agree with what someone says... I always say, 'You're so funny.'” [14:09]

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Timestamps Reference:

• Social Planning: [00:43] - [05:00]
• Country Club Gender Issues: [10:32] - [12:03]
• Tennis Experience: [07:17] - [08:01]
• Rug Mishap Story: [21:21] - [25:03]
• Personal Projects: [25:03] - [27:14]
• Sally’s Interview: [33:30] - [51:53]
• Reflections Post-Interview: [51:53] - [53:54]
• Closing Banter: [53:54] - [63:33]

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Note: This summary excludes all advertisements, intros, outros, and non-content sections to focus solely on the substantive discussions and narratives presented in the episode.

Transcript

[Danny]

Foreign. The following podcast is a Dear Media production. Hello, and welcome back to your favorite podcast. What's up with you?

[Jordan]

Well, I'm just preparing for this massively social weekend that you've prepared for us. I know you just, like, decided you were going to be social and you went all out.

[Danny]

Well, what's happening is we spend every weekend at the lake. And so I was like, okay, Jordan, can we send this one weekend back in Dallas? And so since it's, like, the one weekend we're here, basically the whole summer, I'm, like, cramming in, like, five friend hangouts.

[Jordan]

New friends.

[Danny]

New friends. Like, old. Like, I invited a family that I met at Stella's dance recital. I went and played tennis at the club with a mom that I met at Stella's graduation, which is so funny that I meet all of the moms in Stella's class on the last day of school.

[Jordan]

No, you can't be alone.

[Danny]

It's so me. Yeah, no, they all were friends.

[Jordan]

Oh, really?

[Danny]

Yeah. That's why I was like, how do you guys know each other? They're like, oh, we play tennis at the club and we do these things, like. Yeah. And then, you know, it's like one of those things. Everybody's like, see you Tuesday. And I was like, what's Tuesday? Like, what are y' all doing on Tuesday?

[Jordan]

Do they play mahjong? Yeah, but when did mahjong come back?

[Danny]

I don't know if it just came back or. We're getting older.

[Jordan]

Yeah. Did it come back?

[Danny]

Like, was it always a thing, but, like, now we've crossed the threshold to where we hear about it more, you know, or these things trendy, like. Like, pickleball is obviously trendy, but, like, I remember all the moms played tennis when I was, like, in sixth grade.

[Jordan]

Do you think if it was, like, 2020, the hard years of the Internet, and all these, like, Highland park moms, Stepford wife moms were playing mahjong, they'd be accused of cultural appropriation. Have you thought about that?

[Danny]

No, I've never really thought about that. No, I feel like.

[Jordan]

Because I thought about it a lot.

[Danny]

I think if they dressed up while they were playing mahjong, that would probably get them in trouble, don't they? No. Like, dressed up, like.

[Jordan]

Oh, like. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay.

[Danny]

Yeah. No, no. But, no, I think playing the game is totally fine. So, like, you know, I, like. I still. I. I love a good game of dreidel and.

[Jordan]

You ever played Dreidel or Mexican Train?

[Danny]

Mexican Train. Your mom loves Mexican Train. But, hey, we're there. You can't mess with us there. No, I think that they would really appreciate it.

[Jordan]

Yeah. You know what I think? Blew Up Mahjong is that crazy rich Asians movie.

[Danny]

Oh, did you watch it?

[Jordan]

Because that was like. That Mahjong was like the game that she played against the mom.

[Danny]

True. Where was that movie filmed?

[Jordan]

Well, it's all about Singapore.

[Danny]

Singapore, that's right.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Danny]

Yeah. Okay. Okay.

[Jordan]

But it. I think that people in Singapore migrated from China to Singapore, right?

[Danny]

Yes. Yes.

[Jordan]

I don't know that history. We haven't. We haven't made it to ask Danny anything about World War II.

[Danny]

I'm still focused on.

[Jordan]

She's going. She's growing chronologically, so she's like, American revolution. World War I. World War II. The Alamo was like, you know, what? 18.

[Danny]

1850S.

[Jordan]

Yeah, 1850s. So she really. Danny's like. She read the Bible first, and then she went American Revolution and then she went World War I, World War II. And so you're making your way through the world's history.

[Danny]

Then I went. Where did I go? Guatemala.

[Jordan]

Oh, yes. Because of.

[Danny]

Of the CIA.

[Jordan]

The CIA, yes. Sent her down south to South America.

[Danny]

Yes, yes.

[Jordan]

She's eventually going to get into. Well, and then I did go Genghis Khan, but she's just got to get there.

[Danny]

I went Vietnam for sure. Vietnam, yeah. Anyway, so I'm making my rounds around the world.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Danny]

Yeah. So, yeah, I went to the club this morning, and I. I didn't get kicked out.

[Jordan]

What is the club for? Just all of us Non.

[Danny]

Non Shepherd Wives Club girls. Well, you know, I'm 32, and I've never been invited by a country club member to a club. To a club. Right. So this was pretty special for me. Any tennis lesson I've ever taken, I've had to either sneak into a club or take a lesson at a club that doesn't require you to be a member, because becoming members of these clubs is pretty aggressive. It takes years.

[Jordan]

Pretty wild.

[Danny]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

And like, let me tell you, like, almost criminal.

[Danny]

Well, y' all know. Y' all know it's actually not. Which. We'll get into that.

[Jordan]

Sure.

[Danny]

But.

[Jordan]

But seems quite discriminatory to me.

[Danny]

Not really. You pay to play. If you pay, you get to go. Use all the resources. It's just.

[Jordan]

It's all right. I'm just trying to represent most of America.

[Danny]

It's honestly just capitalism. Like. Okay, okay, go on. But, yeah, so if you know me, like, I've been. I've been kicked out of A few country clubs in my life. I mean, mainly just one, you know. Well, the Swedish fish.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Danny]

And so, yes, recently. Recently. And so, you know, me and country clubs, like, we have an interesting relationship. Mainly because I'm just not invited. But I got invited, and I was so excited. And I went this morning to play tennis with the gals. And I was. I was like, oh, it's beginner level. Like, you know, I'll fit right in. These ladies. I mean, these ladies know how to play. And I was just like. So, like, I was kind of like, oh. Because I was. I was probably like 10, 15 youngers. 15 years younger than some of the gals. Don't matter. Let me tell you. Don't matter. I feel like with tennis, it's like the older you get, the better you get. I don't know. And there was this one lady zebra. Oh, my gosh. She could put spin on that ball. Like, you had to watch out for Debbie. She was amazing. Yeah. So. But then I started to get more competitive. But you know what I realized when I was playing tennis with these, like, let's just say eight other women in their 40s and 50s, I am so mean to myself. And so, like, like, when I miss the ball, it is like the world has been. It crumbles in front of me. And, like, I like, Danny, idiot. I'm like, it's a ball, Danny. And when they miss the ball, they're just like, next one. And I started to pick up because, like, these people don't know me. So, like, when I play tennis with people that I know, like, I can talk and be like, ah, Danny, you idiot. Like, get the ball. Hustle, Danny. Oh, I was standing in no man's like, you know, you just talk to yourself and. But, like, when you play tennis with people that you don't know, like, you kind of have to be a little bit more, like, reserved because, like, they don't know you. So the only words they're hearing from you are the words you're speaking to yourself.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Danny]

So, like, halfway in, I realized, like, why is nobody talking except for me? And, like, they were making mistakes, too. And they would just be like, huh? And the next one. And I would make a mistake and it would be like, oh, ah, shoot. Ah, idiot. You know, like, I was just like, I'm embarrassing myself. So I had to, like, calm down a little bit.

[Jordan]

Did they say anything like.

[Danny]

Like this?

[Jordan]

Did they, like, share the gospel with you and teach you about grace?

[Danny]

No, no, no. They're just living grace. They're living examples of grace. No, but they were so sweet. And we played with. Levi was the tennis instructor. Nice guy. Nice guy. And then afterwards, they invited me to the club for lunch.

[Jordan]

Wow.

[Danny]

And let me tell you, like, I had.

[Jordan]

What's it like in there? It's like a palace. Is it, like, cold, like mahogany?

[Danny]

No, we sat outside. I. I actually didn't go, like, inside the physical because it was such a beautiful day. We sat mainly outside. But, you know, it's so manicured, and the grass and the flowers, like, it's just a beautiful place, and you just feel, like, important. Like, you walk around, you're like, who are you? Like, I don't know. Who are you? I don't know who you are, and I don't care, but I don't. You know, it's just, like. It's so interesting. But the only reason I would ever, like, become a member is so that I could play tennis there. Probably because I wouldn't use, like, the other facilities. If the board is listening to this, I will be a great member. I will make sure my kids do not swim in the adult pool. I won't bring my laptop. I won't take any pictures. I won't play mahjong by the pool. They don't like that either.

[Jordan]

Let me ask you this. Do they treat men and women equal in these clubs?

[Danny]

Well, that's what all these leaders were. They were complaining about the entire time, was like, they have, like, the men's locker room is, like, three times the size of the female locker room. But the main reason is because of, like, I don't know how long this club has been around, but, like, they were kind of probably architecting did or, like, built when, you know, females were, like, not as important.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Danny]

So the history and that culture kind of leads into it. Yeah, leads kind of bleeds into it to the. To this day.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Danny]

So. So, yeah, it's interesting, but, like, a lot of the. The females are using the club more like the wives of the members, because, like, I think only one of you can be a member. So, like, if both of us wanted to become member or, like, if we wanted to be able to use the club, like, it would either we'd have to pick up me or you. And the thing is, is, like, a lot of the husbands are the club members. And so the wives have, like, no voting rights. So they have, like, a lot of.

[Jordan]

What is this? What year? What year could y' all vote? It's 1920 something. What is this? 1918?

[Danny]

No. Yeah, so. But the women are the ones that have most of the opinions and want most of the change to happen to their facilities because they have no voice.

[Jordan]

Totally.

[Danny]

The locker rooms just stay small and ugly.

[Jordan]

So sad.

[Danny]

It's just. Oh, it's really just something.

[Jordan]

It's. It's disgusting how oppressive country clubs are to women in America. And I'm just gonna go out and say it like, it's disgusting. So listen, listen. You start a country club that's only for women, you reverse it.

[Danny]

Oh, my God. Stop. Jordan. Oh, my God. Do it.

[Jordan]

I know. Totally.

[Danny]

The women's club.

[Jordan]

Yeah. Yeah. Reverse discrimination. You throw that discrimination right back at them.

[Danny]

And it's like, if the husbands want to come, like, you have to talk to your wife.

[Jordan]

Yeah. And husbands are like, okay, like, kind.

[Danny]

Of love this idea.

[Jordan]

No, for sure. Women's only clubs.

[Danny]

See, here's the thing about country clubs.

[Jordan]

Like, if someone's in the audience listening, totally. Invest in this podcast and goes and builds it. Just call us, but we'll invest.

[Danny]

Here's the thing about these country clubs is, like, I've never been a hater of country clubs because they do offer so much. Like, they have multiple pools. Okay, that's pretty cool with lifeguards.

[Jordan]

Do they have burgers?

[Danny]

Yep. You can actually order at the window and they bring it to you.

[Jordan]

French fries.

[Danny]

Yep. And then they have all these free snacks, and, like, you know how I feel about a frack.

[Jordan]

Like, what. What kind of fracks are we talking about?

[Danny]

Oh, Doritos, Cheetos, Goldfish. Just like any granola bar you could ever dream of. Pretzels, like, everywhere. Soda fountain.

[Jordan]

Do they have a grand piano that someone's playing on 24 7?

[Danny]

They have a band that comes called Girl and the Squirrel. I think a girl and the Squirrel. That's the brand that comes. And yes, they come on the weekends. And here's another thing. Okay, so this is interesting. In the men's locker room, they have, like, a sauna, a hot tub. It's like this whole. In the women's locker room, they have none of that.

[Jordan]

Really?

[Danny]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

So we had a board meeting in Arizona, and it was the same thing.

[Danny]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

It was like, when you went to the men's locker room, it was like this palace.

[Danny]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

And then the women's, like, didn't have any of the other things.

[Danny]

I know. That's because, like, that's how they. It's just. It's. It's crazy.

[Jordan]

It's disgusting.

[Danny]

You know, I'm not really much of, like, a sauna girl. Anyway. Because it messes up my hair. But. But no, I mean, it was a great experience, and I. I actually really like the social aspect of it. And I like that you can just go to the club for dinner and, like, you don't have to worry about making reservations and stuff. And I don't know how much these. These places are, but I think they're a pretty penny.

[Jordan]

I think they're a pretty penny.

[Danny]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

Did you feel like you belonged?

[Danny]

No. Please. I mean, you know me.

[Jordan]

I'm trying to, like, imagine how you acted in there, because I know you so well, and I know that you.

[Danny]

Were like, the imposter syndrome.

[Jordan]

You were like, imposter syndrome. And I know that you probably just deeply wanted to be liked by these older women. Is. I. I'm. I'm curious, like, if you.

[Danny]

They're like, the kids are by the pool. I'm like, it's so annoying. I hate kids.

[Jordan]

Exactly. Exactly. You're like, was that. Did you have some of those vibes like you.

[Danny]

No, you know, I. I was really true to myself. And if I. And here's the thing. If I don't agree with. With what someone says. You know what I always say? You're so funny. I always say that. I'm like. If somebody makes a comment that I'm like. I'm like, oh, you crack me up. You know, it's just kind of like my go to. Because I'm not lying.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Danny]

I'm telling the truth. But no, I. That's. That's kind of old, Danny. That would have felt like she had to fit in. I was truly myself.

[Jordan]

Love that.

[Danny]

Yeah. Like. Like they were all talking about, you know, where they summer, and I summered the same places, and I wasn't like, you know, like, you know, oh, so they were.

[Jordan]

No, they use summer as a verb. That's when you know. That's when you know you're in a country club. No, seasons become verbs.

[Danny]

No, I'm. I. I honestly, like, loved these people.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Danny]

Like, I. They're amazing.

[Jordan]

They're your best friends.

[Danny]

Like, we might be best friends now. I did tell Stella there was, like, we went to eat lunch after we got our nails done yesterday, and we were in the bathroom and, like, Stella was, like, talking about, like, I think she was like, yeah, like, mommy, I got, like, pink and purple nails. And like, nobody else has pink and purple nails. I said, yeah, there's probably other girls that have pink and purple nails, like, in the world. She goes, really? Like, who are they? And I go, I don't know, but when you meet them, you are instantly best friends. So the entire like, restaurant she's like looking around for, I go, if you see a girl with the same nails as you, you are literally just instantly best friends.

[Jordan]

That's so cute.

[Danny]

You guys know we've talked a lot about building our business, Divi, but today we're pulling back the curtain to tell you exactly how we're able to run and scale the business. Cue drumroll please, Jordan.

[Jordan]

It's Shopify. Shopify. Shopify has given us all the tools we need to transform the idea with Divi into a reality. From designing a website, to selling across social media, to scaling Divi into a global business. This actually reminds me of when we first started. What got you to inspired to dive in?

[Danny]

You know this. I've always been an entrepreneur at heart. My mom used to drive me to San Antonio and we would sell keychains literally on the side of the road. Um, but yeah, so I think it really stems from that. And then when I started running my own blog, when the idea came about Divi, I knew I wanted to build a business that would work well for the way that I interact with my community. With Shopify's integrations, I can sell directly on social right where my community is. I. I always wanted to build something that felt authentic to me. The moment I decided to take the leap and launch my own business was so empowering and I was like, okay, I'm ready to make this happen.

[Jordan]

I remember when we were first getting started, Shopify made it so easy to get up, get set up, and get running without needing a full staff right away to figure out how we were going to ship our products across the world and build a nice and everything green website. It's like having a little magic wand at your fingertips. You can set up your online store or even make a storefront and start selling products in no time. Honestly, even talking about this makes me tempted to spin up a toilet plunger business and launch it like tomorrow. I'm not gonna lie.

[Danny]

I don't know whether to say please don't or just give the people what they want. Regardless, Shopify has honestly been a total game changer for us. We have our hands pretty full with three kids in a rapidly growing business, but we've never had to worry about Shopify. It's like the backbone to our business, giving us the ease to start and the flexibility to grow.

[Jordan]

And we can manage the business from any, anywhere, even here at the lakehouse, which works so well for our lifestyle.

[Danny]

Right it's actually so great. So if you're ready to build your own empire, whether it's merch, a passion project you've been sitting on, or even a summer side hustle, get on shopify.com Danny and make it happen.

[Jordan]

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[Jordan]

Well, I'm really. I'm excited for this social weekend that we have planned. I'm gonna take a nap. I'm gonna take a nap before it all kicks off.

[Danny]

Yeah, I'm a little tired. Like, I didn't sleep great last night, and I had to wake up really early, and I kind of have this eye twitch, you know, whenever you get tired. Totally hate when that happens.

[Jordan]

What else has been going on with you? I feel like I've had a really busy week. I feel like I haven't really connected with you.

[Danny]

Oh, it's fine. We got the rest of our lives. Don't stress about it.

[Jordan]

No, I'm not stressed. But what's been going on with you? How's your heart? How's your soul?

[Danny]

I don't want to talk about it. I really don't. But.

[Jordan]

This is like us every night, by the way.

[Danny]

It's. It's good. I did get new rugs.

[Jordan]

Yeah, for sure.

[Danny]

I had these two men come over. I told you about them.

[Jordan]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Danny]

Oh, my God. I've never smelled so much weed in my life. Like, because I. I posted on my Instagram stories that I needed to get rid of this rug. And by the way, psych. Sorry not to, like, on anthropology, but, like, don't ever, ever order a rug from anthropology. Ever. Don't do it. Only order clothes. They are meant to sell clothes. They are not meant to sell rugs. And probably furniture, if I had to guess. Ordered a rug from them. It came all messed up. Ordered a replacement. Oh, should I tell him what I did?

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Danny]

It's embarrassing. I'm not proud of it.

[Jordan]

Are you talking about when you.

[Danny]

I was a people pleaser.

[Jordan]

Yeah. So I'll tell a story. So Danny. Danny has these giant rugs delivered to her house. Giant. And the guys drop them off, and.

[Danny]

She'S like, well, they're replacing an old. Another rug they. They delivered that was, like, damaged. So they had called me and I scheduled this delivery. I. I had an. Our house rug being delivered and the. The replacement for the anthropology rug being delivered basically the same day. Continue.

[Jordan]

So, basically. So basically, what happened was these two Men drop off this rug, and Danny's like, hey, can you help me put it down? Well, you have to have all of the furniture moved.

[Danny]

Well, they say no, because they're like, we're not allowed to stay in your home. And I said, what about for a hundred bucks?

[Jordan]

And they're like, I was literally holding the chair about to move the furniture, and they go, sir, put that chair down. Yeah, your wife's got a deal. So they move everything. I. I'm helping them. I dropped two pieces of furniture on my bare toes where I was not prepared for this moving initiative.

[Danny]

Babe, you have to take advantage of the moment.

[Jordan]

And so Danny's taking advantage of the moment, and they lay this rug down, and we move some heavy equipment. A heavy.

[Danny]

We had to move the dining room table and then all the chairs, which are each, like, £50 each. So they start. And I leave the room for a second, because, honestly, y' all, like, I don't know what it is, but, like, when I put people in an uncomfortable position, it makes me feel so uncomfortable that I had to leave the room.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Danny]

Like, seeing them struggle with the furniture, even though I was paying them, I was like.

[Jordan]

So they. She leaves. So we're all just moving the furniture. They lay the rug down, and then she's like, no, I come back. She comes back, and then she's like, hey, can you actually move? Well, I'll just. I'll end the story here. So she comes back, they leave.

[Danny]

No, I. I am like, thank you so much. I offered them another 50 bucks to do a couple of other things around the house. I'm like, oh, my go. Looks great. Like, y' all are killing it. Like, thank you all so much. Like, God bless. They shut the door and walk out.

[Jordan]

And then she says, that's totally not the rug that I ordered. And I'm like, wait, what? Like, we just paid them $150 each. And, like, you were so thankful and so appreciative and said it looked so good.

[Danny]

I was lying.

[Jordan]

And she. She was lying, and she knew this entire time that we were laying down the wrong rug.

[Danny]

I felt so proud.

[Jordan]

You were such a people pleaser.

[Danny]

I know y' all. I felt. Because I felt like I was putting them in a tough position, even though I offered to pay them. And, like, it was, like, a fair deal. They put it. They were working so hard. And then I came back from, like, my room and, like, that. Y' all were already, like, moving the table back over the rug, and I'm like, looks great. I love It. And then they're like. The worst part is, like, they make you sign for it. Like, is this the right rug? And I'm like, yeah, Yeah. I literally. I'm like, jordan, sign it. Sign it. So Jordan signs it. Because I can't. I don't have the balls to tell them it's the wrong rug. I don't know. I have problems. I didn't talk about this.

[Jordan]

Yeah. Yeah. So. So. So, yeah, that. That was funny. I mean, like, we have this rug now that we're. It's. It's staying.

[Danny]

No, it's not.

[Jordan]

No, it's staying. They're not going to take it back.

[Danny]

Babe. I hired the two potheads today to come and move it, so it's in our garage now, and they replaced it with a damaged rug.

[Jordan]

Oh, my God. This rug saga.

[Danny]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

So anyway, do you feel like deep down, you wanted. You didn't want the right rug to be here?

[Danny]

No.

[Jordan]

Because if you had the right rug and all the rugs in the house were settled, what would be left?

[Danny]

Oh, trust me. I'm cleaning all the inside of our drawers right now, trying to get all the product and gunk out. There's so much I want to do. I want to clean out this room.

[Jordan]

It's almost like you're nesting.

[Danny]

I'm just honestly doing things that I want to do.

[Jordan]

You're not pregnant?

[Danny]

Well, I don't know. You tell me.

[Jordan]

No, you just started your period. You're not pregnant.

[Danny]

Oh, yeah, I'm on my period.

[Jordan]

Yeah, you're good.

[Danny]

No, I just. I genuinely think I'm, like, doing things that I've been wanting to do that I just never have had time to do.

[Jordan]

M. Succulents.

[Sally]

Yeah.

[Danny]

I got a new succulent at Trader Joe's.

[Jordan]

The hard part about this new era of Dani is that she. When I come home, she's like, babe, have you seen my succulent? I'm like, absolutely. It looks so good. And you're like, I feel like you are not appreciating this succulent. And I'm like, danny, I have told all of my friends about the succulent. I've sent pictures to our family, and I've said, look at this succulent that Danny has. And so it's important to you. It's important to me, too.

[Danny]

It's important to you because it's important to me.

[Jordan]

100.

[Danny]

Well, I just can't wait till you open up your little drawers in your bathroom today.

[Jordan]

I know I did. You organized my contacts?

[Danny]

Yeah, they're gonna be all clean. No gunk. Also, the ones in the kitchen, I got rid of all of the. Because here's the thing. Like, our house is just kind of falling apart.

[Jordan]

There's a giant crack in that wall right there.

[Danny]

Yeah, we gotta fix that one. And look at, like, look at all the dust in that air vent. Like, that's gotta be cleaned. Like, it's just like.

[Jordan]

I. I look at this crack and I'm like, that's a Saturday project. I'm like, dust?

[Danny]

No. I'm like, I'm like, drowning.

[Jordan]

Next week. Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, Friday. Projects.

[Danny]

No, I'm drowning in projects.

[Jordan]

You are. Should you get an HGTV show?

[Danny]

I mean, call me. I'm not cheap, but I'll do it. Teasing. I would love to do it, please.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Danny]

So, yeah, that's been fun. I've also started running again, so I'm so sore. It's. It's really unbelievable.

[Jordan]

How far are you running now?

[Danny]

I ran about four miles with Ellie yesterday, and we ran at a pretty good pace. Now we ran and walked or we ran and talked the whole time, which is always hard to do. I saw you started doing your hit workouts.

[Jordan]

Yeah, I know.

[Danny]

That was impressive.

[Jordan]

I know. It's so hard. I hate cardio.

[Danny]

I do feel like this little pooch I have is, like, it. It's getting a little bit smaller. Just widow by widdle.

[Jordan]

I would never run with you, though. You're too fast.

[Danny]

I'm. I'm not that fast anymore. That's the thing. If you're going to start running with me, now would be the time, because I'm pretty slow.

[Jordan]

I'll think about it. I'll consider.

[Danny]

Just think about it. It could be a really great bonding activity for us on top of this podcast.

[Jordan]

This podcast has brought us really closer together. People don't know that.

[Danny]

People don't know that.

[Jordan]

We've really hashed out a lot of things live on this podcast.

[Danny]

Or. Or they're brought up in this podcast. And then we hashed out later.

[Jordan]

Yeah, there's been a couple things where I've just had to be like, hey, that joke really hit. Hit.

[Danny]

Oh, my God. He talks about that whole time. He's like, you were so mean today. And I was like, I know, I know. I get really mean on this podcast. I'm actually not as mean in real life. Okay, switching gears a little bit. Should we call Amish?

[Jordan]

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[Jordan]

Oh, really? And I thought it was just Sally.

[Danny]

No, I've had a ton. I have. I think that's just the only one that I forwarded to you. But I've had so many people that are like, hey, I grew up Amish. Like, if you need someone to talk to or have questions for, like, call me. So I guess Sally is ex Amish. And I'm gonna have Jordan ask her questions because honestly, I'm feeling a little antisocial.

[Jordan]

Hey, you better. You better get it together because you planned a whole weekend and I'm not carrying this load on my own.

[Danny]

I know, I know. It's true.

[Jordan]

Yeah. You're not gonna dip out. Leave me with the bag. Here.

[Danny]

Do you know what you're gonna ask her?

[Jordan]

No.

[Sally]

Hello?

[Jordan]

Hi, is this Sally?

[Danny]

It is.

[Jordan]

Is this Amish Sally?

[Sally]

Yes, it is.

[Jordan]

Hi, this is Jordan and Danny.

[Sally]

Hey.

[Jordan]

Hey. So you're live on the pod, so don't cuss, okay?

[Sally]

Okay.

[Jordan]

Do Amish people cuss?

[Sally]

They do.

[Jordan]

Okay, so.

[Sally]

So they won't, like. Not that you could understand it for the most part, but they have their own cuss words, but.

[Danny]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

Yeah, because it's in Pennsylvania Dutch.

[Danny]

What?

[Sally]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

Yep.

[Danny]

What's the. There's different cuss words.

[Jordan]

Yeah. So. So Pennsylvania Dutch is a dialect of Dutch, basically. Right.

[Sally]

So, I mean, people argue about it a lot. I say, like, a majority of people say it is a made up language. So there's. So it's like a mixture of German and English. Pretty much.

[Jordan]

Yeah. It's like. What's the. What do they speak in Louisiana? Is it. It's not. There's like a. It's like a French dialect. Yeah. Is it Crioli?

[Sally]

No, it's like. It's not. There's not even really a name for it, except for. I mean, we always just called it Amish.

[Jordan]

Yeah. So can you tell me a little story? Yeah, can you tell me a little story in Pennsylvania Dutch right now.

[Sally]

In New York? One and nobody. Hoka.

[Jordan]

Oh, my gosh.

[Danny]

What did you say?

[Sally]

Yeah, what did you say I said when I was. I think I said when I was three or. Wait, what did I say when I was Amish? I was in New York, and then I moved to Ohio and then I left the Amish Amish.

[Jordan]

Okay, so you were one of the Ohio Amish, not Pennsylvania.

[Sally]

So. Yeah. So I was actually born and raised in a small community in New York, and then when I was 16, I moved to Ohio to live closer to my boyfriend and lived with my Amish aunt and her family for about two years. And then about. It was in 2023, in January, I left the Amish, but still live with them until this past July of last year.

[Jordan]

And what does it look like to leave the Amish? Does that mean you're excommunicated? Like, can you go back at any time?

[Sally]

So it varies with families and if you have ever joined the church. But in my situation, it's. It's very weird. So growing up, when I was three, my dad left the Amish and left my mom and us kids. So she raised me, my. My three siblings Amish. And then I think it was in 20. Yeah, it was in 2023. She ended up leaving. But after I left, I was still living with the Amish family. And so my family has never shunned me, my mom or my siblings or anyone.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Sally]

Even though my mom had joined the church. But then my boyfriend, when he left in January of 23, his. We haven't heard or seen his family since.

[Jordan]

Yeah, because it's not. It.

[Danny]

It.

[Jordan]

It is kind of a shunning. It's a shame thing, right? To. To leave the. To leave the community. It's kind of like, I think, leaving like the Mormon Church or something like that.

[Danny]

What was it like being raised?

[Jordan]

What was it like growing up Amish? What'd you do for fun?

[Sally]

What we did for fun? Well, I was a rebel. So partied.

[Jordan]

You, like, went to movies?

[Sally]

Yeah, partied. So when I was normally like, you know, I know you know what Rome Springa is. I heard you talking about it.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Sally]

But so normally you start around 16, 17. I started at 13.

[Jordan]

And when you started the. The. What'd you call it? Room Springa. So that's when you basically go out into the secular world beyond the Amish community, and you decide whether you want to remain Amish or whether you want to basically participate in, like, Western culture.

[Sally]

So, yes and no. So whenever you start room. I mean, you're still living at home. It's just basically when your parents give you the go ahead, like, K, you can go do whatever you want. Which literally consists of. Most Amish kids end up. That's for cell phone. That's when they start partying, the drinking. Yeah, all that. And then whenever they turn, like, 18, 19, 20, they're recommended to, like, join the church and then. But if you start dating while you're. In order to even get married Amish, you have to Join church beforehand.

[Jordan]

Got it. Hey, Amish Sally, I'm gonna call you back on FaceTime audio. Hold on.

[Danny]

I want to know what she did. Like, did she. What were did? Like her chores? Like, what did her day to day look like?

[Jordan]

Yeah, for sure.

[Danny]

Like, was she turning butter or like doing more modern activities, you know? I'm serious. Like, was she milking cow?

[Jordan]

Sally. Oh, yeah, this is what? This is much better, babe.

[Danny]

The mic picks up on the top.

[Jordan]

Okay, so questions for you. Like, this is random. When you said that you drank and partied, did you drink like moonshine?

[Sally]

Pretty much, yeah. Like all types of alcohol.

[Jordan]

Well, what I'm saying is, like, you didn't go get like Coors, you, like, made your own beer?

[Sally]

Oh, no, no, no, no. Oh, we went and got our own beer. Like bought.

[Jordan]

Oh, yeah.

[Danny]

If you're gonna break the rule, like, you can break it all the way.

[Sally]

The main thing that I do not agree with the Amish is how normalized it is to drink and smoke and like, really do all that stuff. Yeah.

[Jordan]

Huh. And. And so what was your upbringing like? You know, just like in a day to day, was it a lot of like, chores? Because you're educated up until like, what, eighth grade?

[Sally]

Eighth grade, yeah.

[Jordan]

Okay. And so after eighth grade, I know.

[Danny]

Just even when you were like, before eighth grade, like, what's a day to day look like?

[Jordan]

Yeah, what's the day to day look like?

[Sally]

I mean, definitely chores at home. Get up now. We didn't like go milk the cows or churn the butter or anything like that. But I mean, for the girls, it is very, very common. Like, you are taught to cook, you are taught to clean and stuff like that. So I would. I don't know. I was also taught to sew. So I can. I know how to sew, like all the Amish clothes. But yeah, and then your. Once your chores are done, you're sent out to play and you basically live outside all summer. And then in the fall you start school. Do you.

[Danny]

Did you watch tv?

[Sally]

No, no, absolutely not. We did not have any electricity except for like years later. So that's another thing. Nowadays a lot more people do have electricity, but you're only allowed to have electric if you're renting a house. So as long as you're renting and that house has electricity, then you're allowed to have it, but you're still not allowed to have like TVs or anything like that.

[Danny]

So you didn't have like. Like at night you would have to light candles to see.

[Sally]

So we had what we call propane lights or like gas lanterns.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Sally]

And stuff like that. Nowadays they have, like, in this community where I'm living in now, they use like dewalt powered lights and stuff like that.

[Jordan]

So this is kind of a funny question, but did you guys all live in the same community? Meaning, like there's this giant, you know, call it 50 acres. And everyone in the Amish community has their own house on the 50 acres, or did you guys move into developed neighborhoods? And it's kind of like you would have a mix of some people who were Amish in the neighborhood and then some people who weren't Amish.

[Sally]

Yeah, that's how it is.

[Jordan]

Really. So like, my next door neighbor could be like an Amish person.

[Sally]

My neighbor across the street is an Amish family. And then I have neighbors in my backyard that are Amish.

[Jordan]

And so they just. They genuinely will just not. Well, I guess they do use electricity because it's a rented house.

[Sally]

Yeah. Or if you buy a house that has electricity, you're allowed to keep it for a year and then they make you shut it off or they ask you to shut it off.

[Danny]

Who's they? Like the church or like.

[Sally]

Yeah, the bishop and the preachers and.

[Jordan]

And so. So Amish, you guys would identify as like Christians. Right.

[Sally]

So that's actually why. That's a big reason why I left, why me and my husband now left is because we. My husband started reading his Bible and we became born again. And so we gave our life to Christ. And then we just had so many convictions and that's why we left.

[Jordan]

And. And because. So tell me if this is true. It's. There was a time where basically the Bible for the Amish community was only in. I don't know, like, not everyone could read the Bible. Right. And then there was this, like there was this period of the Amish history where then was it converted in English so that you guys could read or was it. You guys were raised only in basically Pennsylvania Dutch and so then you learned English and you could read it. How did that work with the Bible?

[Sally]

So growing up, the only Bible that I. That we ever had in the house was written in German.

[Jordan]

Yes.

[Sally]

If you go to church, they preach in German, you. I never was able to understand it. And I know that like 90 of the Amish do not understand it. But. And even now, like the ones that do read their Bibles, it is most like majority of them read it in German, which they don't know what they're reading. So I mean, you can say they're Christians and some people will argue about it.

[Jordan]

So would that be. Did you feel when you couldn't read the Bible on your own, that that was a way of people making the Bible in the community something that it wasn't? So it's kind of a form of control?

[Sally]

Yeah, 100%. That's why my boyfriend's family won't talk to him. That's why they've shunned him, is because we became born again. And they don't believe in that.

[Jordan]

Right, right, right.

[Sally]

So because you're not supposed to know where you're going or, like, any of that stuff, because you're kind of like, they're. Go ahead, go ahead. They have their own take on, like, scriptures and stuff. Like, you can read a scripture to them and they'll have, like, their own whole different meaning from it.

[Jordan]

Right. And it's. It's more built around the culture of being Amish and, like, the authority structure of parents and bishops and stuff versus the actual, like, your new interpretation of the Bible. Yeah.

[Danny]

So. Hi, Sal, Sally, it's Danny. So when you left and this is in 2023, were you. Was there, like, a culture shock or. Because you kind of were the rebel. Like, you already knew about, like, famous people or music or whatever? Like, was it a huge culture shock or you kind of were already accustomed to it?

[Sally]

No, I was kind of already accustomed to it because. And another reason for that is because my dad left when I was 3, and we would go visit him, like, every other weekend. And so, like. Yeah, I mean, some things were. I'm sure.

[Danny]

But do you have an example of something that was, like, maybe, like, a silly thing that was culture shock or, like, things that people were talking about and you're like, I don't know what they're talking about.

[Sally]

Definitely politics.

[Danny]

Yeah.

[Sally]

But, like, I don't know. And then the whole thing with the. I don't know. Not anything that comes to mind. The whole, like, when I started reading my Bible in English and when I gave my life to Christ, that whole thing, like. Like the way. I don't know how to explain it.

[Jordan]

Try.

[Sally]

Yeah. Nothing that I don't know. Nothing that really comes to mind because I. Yeah, Yeah. I already had so much experience.

[Danny]

Would you say, like, your. Your friends that were, like, that followed all of the rules, Amish rules, Like, they don't even know who Taylor Swift is type of thing?

[Sally]

Oh, everyone knows who Taylor Swift.

[Danny]

Okay, Okay. I was just trying to understand everyone.

[Sally]

But, like, the younger generation definitely does.

[Danny]

They do okay. Okay. Yeah. Oh, so interesting, because that's a big thing.

[Sally]

Once you start room spring it. They have these. They call it like a player, but they had this system installed in their buggies. And so, like, Friday nights, Saturday nights and Sunday nights, like, they'll ride around the roads and, like, drink and listen to music and stuff like that.

[Danny]

Like, if you're a rebel, but you're not supposed to.

[Sally]

Well, once you're in Rome spring, and then you're basically, like, told, go do whatever you want.

[Danny]

Oh, interesting. So interesting.

[Jordan]

So, Sally, we'll let you go in a second, but, you know, I've been. I've been cooking and fishing a lot more lately, and, you know, there's a large part of me. I won't quantify it with percentages, but could be close to 70% that really is kind of in on this Amish thing. So do you want to try and dissuade me from joining the Amish community? Because I'm pretty close.

[Sally]

So the only thing would be is the man made rules. Like, if you can live with the man made rules and living, like, basically for another man and doing only as he says.

[Jordan]

I have problems with authority.

[Sally]

Giving up your phone, I could do that. Having to drive a horse and buggy.

[Jordan]

I could do that. I would need to be taught, but I could do it.

[Sally]

But, yeah, it's just like there's. There's so much stuff that goes on under the Amish that is very, like, swept under the rug and hidden and stuff like that. Like, I. I'm so. I'm pregnant with my first child and I don't. We're debating on whether or not we want our kids around the Amish family or not.

[Jordan]

Yeah. Does your. Is it your boyfriend or husband?

[Sally]

Husband.

[Danny]

Now, wait, why? You didn't ask why?

[Jordan]

Well, because I think there's a lot of cultural issues. Right?

[Danny]

No, but ask her why.

[Sally]

Yeah, and I don't know, there's just. Yeah, it's just we don't.

[Danny]

Like.

[Sally]

I don't want my kid to. I mean, I don't care if he's friends with, like, the other Amish little kids, whatever, but it's just. It's not what they show it to be, like, their beliefs and everything like that and stuff like that.

[Jordan]

Do you think it ever was, or do you think that it's just eroded as Western culture has creeped in?

[Sally]

I. I think it's always been that way.

[Jordan]

Right.

[Sally]

The abuse and everything that's under them. I think it's always been. Nowadays, it's More talked about and stuff like that, but still. Yeah.

[Danny]

Is it caught? Is. Sorry, this is maybe like a little too deep, but is there like a lot. I mean, you hear about this in like the Catholic Church or a lot of different organizations. Is there like a lot of sexual abuse?

[Sally]

Yes, there is.

[Danny]

So, I mean, that would make sense because, babe, they're not on their phones, they're not on the Internet.

[Sally]

Like, there's actually someone. There was a study that came out just recently and they were saying about 85 of Amish people go through sexual abuse.

[Danny]

Wow.

[Sally]

It is insane.

[Danny]

No, I. That makes a lot of sense.

[Jordan]

Okay, so I'm probably not going to be joining the Amish community anytime soon.

[Danny]

You really just want to go churn some butter? Just go in our backyard and turn some butter. Okay.

[Jordan]

So, Sally, last question is, are there any good documentaries or books about that you think give a really good real representation of the Amish community?

[Sally]

No, I don't think so.

[Jordan]

Well, you should write one.

[Sally]

Yeah, I wouldn't say so. Have you ever heard. What is it called, the show Breaking Amish or something like that?

[Jordan]

Yeah, I was gonna watch it, but I had to pay Nat Geo or something.

[Sally]

Yeah, it's all scripted and yeah, none of it actual actually, like, shows the true stuff that goes on under the Amish.

[Jordan]

Yeah. So, last question. Does your husband have a beard?

[Sally]

He's trying to grow one out, but Me too. Oh, no.

[Jordan]

Feel him.

[Sally]

I can't do it.

[Jordan]

Yeah, I get it. Well, thank you so much for talking to us. You should definitely write a book. Yeah, I think you should. And we are so glad that you are a born again Jesus follower. Welcome to the party.

[Sally]

Thank you.

[Jordan]

Okay, thanks.

[Sally]

If you guys have any other questions anytime, just feel free to message me.

[Jordan]

I definitely will. And I. We have your number. I have so many questions. They'll just come later.

[Sally]

Okay.

[Danny]

Okay, thanks.

[Jordan]

Bye.

[Danny]

So you. You missed that. But when she was talking about, like, not wanting her kid to be around, that's the first. Maybe it was just like a woman, like instinct. Like, I think she was saying that because of. Think about it. If I'm a female and I'm only educated up until the eighth grade grade, I am just listening to the community, to the church, to these men. I in. I am going to feel very small as a person, like. Like as a female, because physically I'm not as strong, I'm not as educated. I don't know. I can't do all the things that everybody else can do. So you just listen to these older people that are guiding you. And as a female, you probably have a lot of. You're around. They don't have technology, they don't have cameras. They don't have ways to post if something has gone wrong. Like, it makes so much sense that there would be a lot of sexual abuse.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Danny]

And especially. And I didn't want to bring up around like child sexual abuse, but I. I can only imagine I would not want my child around. Like the. I mean, half the reason why, like, a lot of kids or I would ever even put my. My kids into a certain school is because there's cameras everywhere. There's ways to post if something went wrong or whatever. But in these communities where there's literally no electricity, like, I would never let my kid go hang out with all these other. I would never.

[Jordan]

Man, my mind's a little blown right now. I've never heard this. I literally thought they were just churning butter, fishing and.

[Danny]

No.

[Jordan]

Every living off the grid.

[Danny]

No. And I don't like. I don't like communities where people are left vulnerable, especially with. Without education. Like, it doesn't. That one kind of weirds me out like, that they don't have education past eighth grade. That's just setting people up. Do you. That's setting people up to, like, brainwash them. Like, you're. You're brainwashing them because you're not giving them the tools to understand their environment or their future. Like, it's.

[Jordan]

I mean, I get it. I just. Sorry, this got really heavy. I was just looking for a good time conversation.

[Danny]

Sorry. I just.

[Jordan]

Woo. Sally, go write a book, man. I will not be. Also forgot to ask her if they were really good at volleyball.

[Danny]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

I'm pretty sure the Amish are very good at volleyball. The good news is that we're probably not going to get a lot of hate for this podcast and. Or counter arguments because they don't know we exist.

[Danny]

Yeah. And they just are, like, living in their little.

[Jordan]

They're like, whoa, what's a podcast?

[Danny]

Like, someone's gonna come and be like, danny, like. Like, I am so offended. My Amish family is so offended. I'm like, well, you're breaking the rules. I'll tell on you.

[Jordan]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. We kind of got a little blackmailed ring going. It's like, you snitch on us or you come at us, we'll come back at you.

[Danny]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

We'll tell them you have a Cricut wireless phone.

[Danny]

Yeah.

[Sally]

Cricket wireless.

[Danny]

Wow, that's so interesting.

[Jordan]

So interesting.

[Danny]

We should start having like, we should go Like, a little bit more Theo Von and just start inviting, like, just different types of people.

[Jordan]

I am so mad right now that you even are saying this to me. Do you have any idea how many different people I've tried to have on this podcast?

[Danny]

And, like, somebody to perform an exorcism on me, like. And I'm so sick of it. I'm like, I'm fine.

[Jordan]

No, there's this guy named Tim, Timothy Albarino. Do you remember? He was on my list.

[Danny]

Is this the guy that does exorcisms?

[Jordan]

No, he's the one who. What did he do? He found some, like. Like, ancient civilizations in South America. He's like a Christian Indiana Jones. I found this guy.

[Danny]

Then you have him on.

[Jordan]

I did. I tried to have him on seven months ago. I DMed him from your account. He said, let's do it. I'm so down now. He's on Joe Rogan. He's on Theo Von. He's on all these big podcasts.

[Danny]

Have him come on, df.

[Jordan]

No, we missed it. I'm just saying, I call interesting people ahead of time. And so if you're giving me the green light, babe, you have the green.

[Danny]

Light, because I'm gonna just take those weeks off, and it would be nice for me. I'll go to the club with the girls and play tennis.

[Sally]

Okay.

[Jordan]

I think you would love these people.

[Danny]

No, I think that you would have more intellectual conversations with these people, because I don't really know. So basically, like, I really just wanted to know if this Amish community knew who Taylor Swift was. That was really. That was the question that was going to keep me up at night, and that's all I really needed to know. Okay. And you can ask all the other questions, but I wanted to know about.

[Jordan]

Oh, my gosh. So basically what you're saying is you don't want to do this podcast anymore. So basically, the. The.

[Danny]

So basically, you don't love me anymore. That's why, Jordan. That's how he. He will end up. Okay. Basically, you just don't love me.

[Jordan]

Hold on. So basically, this is for the clip. So basically, Danny, you're quitting this podcast. That's good.

[Danny]

Okay.

[Jordan]

That'll get a bunch of views. Clip it, clip it, clip it. You know. Wow. Sally, Sally, Sally, Sue.

[Danny]

Sally, Sue.

[Jordan]

Sally Sue.

[Danny]

God, I love that name. I heard a really cool name today. Yeah, Forgot it.

[Jordan]

Oh, Danny, I forgot to tell you something. This is huge. I was walking on the trail of white Rock.

[Danny]

Sailor, Sailor for a girl. That's so cute. I'm Writing that down. Because if we have a girl, is it s name Danny?

[Jordan]

Oh, look. Look what I. It's hard to see this video. Look what I ran into. It's a coyote.

[Danny]

Let me see.

[Jordan]

A coyote was literally staring me down on the trail, and I had to get big.

[Danny]

Oh, my gosh.

[Jordan]

No, it was like, guys, like a fox. It was. It was like.

[Danny]

First of all, first of all, I don't think that rule works with the coyotes where you get big and they go away.

[Jordan]

No, it did. But, Danny, it was so weird.

[Danny]

Did you feel one with the Yodi?

[Jordan]

You kind of like, I did the Yodi?

[Danny]

Yeah. Is that a bad word?

[Jordan]

Oh, this is so funny.

[Danny]

Oh. Because Jordan taught me what CHOD was the other day, and I was like, oh, Lord, thank you for telling me, because that seems like a word I would, like, use by accident, and it's so disgusting. If y' all didn't know. It's a little pee pee. Oh, it's so such a nasty word.

[Jordan]

So. So it was probably five feet away from me, and I. Oh, my God.

[Danny]

Jordan, you are literally a football field away.

[Jordan]

No, no, Danny, stop, Stop. I was on 0.5. It looks further away than you think does.

[Danny]

Do coyotes attack humans?

[Jordan]

Babe, have you not seen the signs everywhere around our neighborhood? Yeah, but, like, there's an infestation of coyotes right now.

[Danny]

Why?

[Jordan]

They're, like, killing dogs and cats and.

[Danny]

Yeah, I believe that, but what about humans?

[Jordan]

No, I mean.

[Danny]

Okay, but it's like a dog.

[Jordan]

That was big. That was a big dog.

[Danny]

No, I know that looks like a.

[Jordan]

Fox, but it was staring at me. Like. Did you see it in the video? It was, like, staring into my soul.

[Danny]

Yeah, it reminds me of Jacob from. Yes, From Twilight. Yeah.

[Jordan]

Anyway, I just. I just thought it was so cool. I saw Yodi 1 3. I forgot to tell. I got to text some people on this, everybody.

[Danny]

Oh, can you airdrop it to me? I'm going to post it on my Instagram stories. Sailor Ramirez. Okay, we have to have another girl.

[Jordan]

Yeah, you've been talking about this fourth kid, and I. I don't think we're on the same page, if I'm being honest. We'll talk about later.

[Danny]

I'm going to roofy you when they. Funny.

[Jordan]

Honestly, you're, like. You're, like, kind of cool with it. The only. The only downside is I wouldn't remember a crazy, wild night.

[Danny]

Actually, the girls were talking about. They were telling me all these places that they. They go out in East Dallas, like, there's, like, these like, iconic. Like, karaoke night. Not the one nostalgia place, but, like, have you ever heard of the Goat in Lakewood? Anyway, it's, like, where all of, like, the old people in Lakewood go. That's what they told me. And they said that both of their husbands have been roofied there. Their husbands were roofied by females? No, like, it's, like, such, like, a dive. Like, scary bar that, like. Like, they're like, our husbands were roofied there.

[Jordan]

Wait, people get roofied? I thought that was, like, a movie thing.

[Danny]

No, babe.

[Jordan]

Wow.

[Danny]

I had a friend from high school. She got roofied.

[Jordan]

Where does one purchase roofies? Is this, like, a dark web store?

[Danny]

Probably the same place they're buying Ozempic these days.

[Jordan]

Is this a dark web? Man, I'm so naive to the world. I feel like sometimes I just kind of always generally assume that people are trying to do their best. I mean, just good people.

[Danny]

I don't know. Like, I don't know. They might be, but I feel like that was really, like. Like, my eyes were really opened when, like, my friends in high school's parents grew weed in the backyard. And then I was like, oh, that's normal. Like. Like, did not. That never happened to you? No, I went to multiple parties where, like, the moms were, like, scar. Smoking weed.

[Jordan]

Huh.

[Danny]

And, like, had it, like, in their backyard.

[Jordan]

Yeah, that's. That never happened.

[Danny]

And then I was like, whoa, my upbringing is so different than yours. Like, I understand why you are like that and I'm not. Like, your mom buys you weed. These kids were crazy is what I'm saying.

[Jordan]

Yeah. You're giving the impression you grew up in, like, a very bad neighborhood. You grew up in Richardson. No, but you went to J.J. pierce High School.

[Danny]

Okay, I also got an mic in, like, one of the sketchiest neighborhoods. Yeah, in.

[Jordan]

Okay, Danny, we get it. You're. You're bad.

[Danny]

You're.

[Jordan]

You're bad. You're. You're hard. Is that what you're trying to tell us?

[Danny]

No, but, like, you're hard.

[Jordan]

You've seen. You've seen some stuff. Well, I personally had so much fun on this Friday podcast. I think that we. I think that it's time that we probably go take a nap before Danny's extremely social weekend. You need to recharge. You can't leave me with this bag. I feel you. I know you. I know you. And I know what you did this morning. You expanded all of your social capacity by 10am in the morning at the.

[Danny]

Club, and then my physical capacity by. And you have planned.

[Jordan]

You have planned Friday night, you have planned Saturday morning, and you have planned a whole pool party at our house on Sunday. So you better go.

[Danny]

Two different neighbors. I told you that, right?

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Danny]

One of the girls that lives on our street. And also, did I tell you that, like, the girls at the club said that our street has a group chat and it's, like, iconic and I don't think.

[Jordan]

No, babe, you're for sure not on it. But you were definitely. You are definitely in it. Let me tell you. You are not on it, but you are in it 100%.

[Danny]

Oh, wow. Okay. Okay.

[Jordan]

All right. Happy Friday, everyone. We love you so much. Bye. Bye. Bye.

[Danny]

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