Jordan Austin (2:51)

The crunchy moms. Aren't they off of sunscreen, though?

Danny Austin (2:55)

Yes, but they're for, like, wearing a hat or, like, being under an umbrella. They're not like. They're like, yes, get sun, but try to get morning sun where there's not such strong UVs.

Jordan Austin (3:08)

I got it.

Danny Austin (3:08)

And, you know, get a little bit of vitamin D, but don't stare death in the face for three hours.

Jordan Austin (3:13)

Is your. Is your beef tallow working? Helping.

Danny Austin (3:17)

So I'm so thankful I brought that, because the. The. The night that it happened, any other cream or moisturizer or lotion would have just killed me because of probably the fragrance. Fragrance that they have in it. And, like, you know, fragrances are very drying. And so beef tallow, the only ingredient was beef tallow. And it. It. I mean, like, here's the thing about beef tallow.

Jordan Austin (3:37)

Mentally, it's hard for me because all I think of is cooking fries with beef tallow, and then you're lathering it all over your body. That'd be, like, mentally, I know this is an exact parallel, but mentally, I just imagine you, like, dipping your hands in, like, McDonald's grease and then putting on your body.

Danny Austin (3:54)

Oh, see that. That's not. Mentally. What's, like. What's actually happening is grosser than that, in my opinion.

Jordan Austin (4:01)

What is happening?

Danny Austin (4:01)

This is the fat around the liver of a cow that they take off, and they whip it into this texture, and then you put it on your face. You can mix it with, like, essential oils or whatever. You want to make it smell a certain way, but it doesn't smell great. But, like, the. My DMS have never popped off, like, so heavily when I brought a beef tallow as a moisture. Like, people are so opinionated. And I would say it's like 70. 30, like, 70 are like, Danny, beef tallow cream, like, change my life. Like, I use it on my body at night, use it on my face. My. My skin has never been more hydrated. It's the best thing I ever did. And 30 of people are like, danny, that is not comedogenic. That's going to give you acne. That's going to. So I looked it up on the scale of, like, one to five. Being like, one is very comedogenic. And. And then. Sorry, non comedogenic. And Then five. I can't remember. Like, whatever. It's a two or three.

Jordan Austin (4:56)

Okay.

Danny Austin (4:57)

So some people say it gives acne, and then some people say it doesn't. So some people are like, oh, my gosh, it'll clog your pores. It'll break you out. And then some are like, no, it's. It's so amazing for skin care because you don't want to use anything that.

Jordan Austin (5:09)

Your skin's looking pretty good. That's the only thing that's confusing about it. Well, it doesn't look like you caked cow liver.

Danny Austin (5:18)

Yeah.

Jordan Austin (5:19)

On your face.

Danny Austin (5:19)

The other problem with it is it's extremely greasy. So it's something that if you're gonna use, I would only use at night. But it has like, the fatty acids in it, like, mimic the fatty acids in our skin. Sebum. And it has so many vitamins. A, D, B12, like E. So it's. It's very, like, rich in all of those niche. So it makes sense. But it also just doesn't smell great. But I just, like, it's so hard because I'm like, trying to make little changes. Like, don't get me wrong, like, I am. I don't identify as a crunchy mom. I just don't. Like, I'm still eating Doritos. I ate them at the airport. It's true. I sell, you know, I like, still drink my Diet Coke. I still use a couple of Procter and Gamble products. I use draft baby laundry detergent. Like, I. I know that's a really bad one. And so, like, I'm definitely not crunchy. But, like, when I can make the change and I like, I might as well if I. If I like the change and it makes me feel good about myself, you know, So I was like, you know, I'm gonna get into this beat tallow thing. And I don't know, I kind of like, makes sense to me.

Jordan Austin (6:26)

Yeah, it was harder for me to get on board with, but I'm going to try it. You know, I always use your products. I'm going to try it.

Danny Austin (6:32)

Yeah, just try it. Is. You're going to. You're going to hate it because, like, it's really hard to wash off your hands.

Jordan Austin (6:38)

Oh, yeah.

Danny Austin (6:38)

It's like very greasy.

Jordan Austin (6:40)

What things on my hands?

Danny Austin (6:41)

Yeah. But so, yeah, I did them. I got into the beef tallow game for my sunburn. It was actually great. We had. Well, I told the lady when we were packing up. We just got back from Terrace and Caicos and we were packing up. I Was like, hey, listen, I really need some aloe vera. She's like, oh, yeah, I'll go get you some. She brings back the actual plant. Like, she was slicing it. Slicing. And I was like, oh, I'm going to need a lot of those slices. Cover this sunburn. But it felt amazing.

Jordan Austin (7:09)

Yeah.

Danny Austin (7:09)

Have you ever used.

Jordan Austin (7:10)

I walked in and she was putting it on your back.

Danny Austin (7:12)

I know. I was, like, naked. Like, it's like, oh, I was so desperate. But, yeah, so we went to Turks and Caicos. We went to a place called Parrot Key. Um. Man, the beaches in Turks can't be beat.

Jordan Austin (7:27)

That's why Drake loves it.

Danny Austin (7:28)

Drake loves it. Um, there's a lot of other celebrities that have houses in Parakeet. They said Donna Karen, she had a house there.

Jordan Austin (7:37)

Um, Bruce Willis.

Danny Austin (7:38)

Bruce Willis. Laura Piano. Piano. Laura. Laura Piana, designer. Um, Keith Richards.

Jordan Austin (7:47)

Oh, did they say Keith Richards?

Danny Austin (7:49)

No, I looked it up. Who else? There's actually. Wait, let me see. I looked it up because I was curious and. Oh, apparently Justin Bieber has a house in Parakee. Yeah. Donna Karen, Laura Piana, Bruce Willis, Christie Brinkley, Oprah. But not in Parrot Key. Justin Bieber apparently has a house in Parake Key. It's very. So the reason why I think a lot of celebrities like this area, which. It's funny, because the resort we stayed at is, like, it was the most beautiful beaches, but it's not like, the most stunning facilities or anything. It's just, like, very, like a normal place, you know? But I think that people go for, like, just the beaches and the exclusivity and the privacy.

Jordan Austin (8:35)

Yeah.

Danny Austin (8:35)

Because to get there, you have to take a boat to get there. It was very white lotus of us, you know, like, you pulled up and they're all, like, just waiting to, like, greet you, and you're on this private island, very secluded. I mean, how many people do you think were on the island total?

Jordan Austin (8:51)

I mean, 50 at dinners, there were like, 15 people.

Danny Austin (8:55)

As I'm saying, it's like, maybe 50 people total.

Jordan Austin (8:57)

Yeah.

Danny Austin (8:58)

So it's like, very, very private, but. Okay. So how much do you think the. The houses in Parakeet cost? Like.

Jordan Austin (9:05)

Oh, I asked them. 15 million.

Danny Austin (9:09)

No, baby, you said. You said, like, 12 million. And she, like, laughed at you. It was like, no, a lot more.

Jordan Austin (9:16)

25.

Danny Austin (9:18)

They're like 35 million.

Jordan Austin (9:19)

What?

Danny Austin (9:20)

On the water there?

Jordan Austin (9:22)

That's crazy.

Danny Austin (9:23)

Yeah.

Jordan Austin (9:25)

I mean, their insurance costs have got to be super high.

Danny Austin (9:28)

I know, I know.

Jordan Austin (9:29)

I wonder if you can even get insurance there.

Danny Austin (9:31)

It's hurricane. The hurricanes yeah, but, man, it was, it was quite the trip.

Jordan Austin (9:38)

Yeah, we had a great time. We brought a lot of get to know you cards, like couples get to know you cards. And it, or maybe like, better way to say is like prompting questions.

Danny Austin (9:47)

It was a game on Amazon called let's get deep.

Jordan Austin (9:50)

Yes. I highly recommend. We had so much fun, we didn't want to leave dinner. We were like, let's do, let's pull out another day.

Danny Austin (9:57)

We really got to know each other. So this game had different levels of deepness. So it had icebreaker questions. It had deep questions, deeper questions, and then act questions.

Jordan Austin (10:09)

Yeah, activities.

Danny Austin (10:10)

Activities which are like kind of like not truth or dares, but kind of.

Jordan Austin (10:13)

Kind of.

Danny Austin (10:13)

Yeah, it was, it would be like turn on, turn on your partner without touching them.

Jordan Austin (10:19)

Yeah, there were probably like, I counted there probably like 10, like, dirty ones, and then the rest were like, like.

Danny Austin (10:25)

Play hide and seek.

Jordan Austin (10:26)

Yeah, like play hide and seek. Or like, get your partner their favorite fruit. You know, stuff like that.

Danny Austin (10:30)

Which is still sweet.

Jordan Austin (10:31)

Yeah.

Danny Austin (10:32)

Cute. So Jordan brought that, came and surpr me with it, which was, is there.

Jordan Austin (10:36)

Anything that you learned about me that you didn't know before.

Danny Austin (10:42)

That you think my curly hair is attractive?

Jordan Austin (10:45)

Yeah, Self tanner curly hair.

Danny Austin (10:47)

He said, because I go, what? The question was like, what turns you on? He was like, a fresh spray tan and that curly hair.

Jordan Austin (10:53)

No to that question. I said, really? Any nudity? It's like, I'm easy.

Danny Austin (10:59)

He did, he did. No, that question was, what's your favorite foreplay? And he goes, anything involving nudity.

Jordan Austin (11:04)

Yeah. Yeah, that was funny. I, I, oh, and I told you that story about, you know, how I, I jumped the fence.

Danny Austin (11:12)

Yes, yes, yes. It was like, the question was like, what's the bravest thing you've ever done? Tell them your story. I didn't know about this one.

Jordan Austin (11:19)

So I was living in East Austin, and it was, it was kind of like a shadier, like, apartment complex. I forgot I was only living there for, like, two weeks, for sure.

Danny Austin (11:27)

Well, East Austin used to be shady. Now it's like, yeah, now probably not.

Jordan Austin (11:30)

But at the time it was kind of shady. And I was walking around at like 11pm because I would always go on late night walks, which is probably also not really smart in East Austin. Yeah, really not smart. And anyway, I was at this apartment complex and all of a sudden this, this huge guy gets out of his car and goes around and then just starts, like, beating his girlfriend. And I like, went into fight or flight mode, and I chose fight and I jumped over I jumped over this fence, and he saw me jump over. And then he kind of, like, calmed down and was like, f this, and, like, ran away. And I went to her, and I was like, are you okay? And she was like, she. I honestly think I remember her saying something like, I'm fine. Like, it's not a big deal. Like, I. I made him mad. It was, like, my fault, which is common. And I called the cops, and I would not leave. And I told the cops exactly where his apartment was, and then they, like, made me leave or whatever, so I left after that. Is there a baby crying?

Danny Austin (12:31)

Well, we have three of them.

Jordan Austin (12:32)

I mean, it's likely. And anyway, the next morning, I wrote him a letter and left a Bible on his car.

Danny Austin (12:38)

Oh, my God. I didn't know I was dating, like, a religious superman over here.

Jordan Austin (12:45)

I used to do stuff like that all the time.

Danny Austin (12:47)

No, I know. I know.

Jordan Austin (12:48)

You did get mad at me.

Danny Austin (12:50)

Guys, Jordan, when I first started dating him, he was. He was chubby. Like, you were chubby. Like, cutie, patootie. I loved you so much.

Jordan Austin (12:59)

Fat Jordan.

Danny Austin (13:00)

You call it fat Jordan. I call it chubby. Yeah.

Jordan Austin (13:02)

Yeah.

Danny Austin (13:02)

And he was so cute. Like. But, you guys, Jordan thought he had the body of Shaquille O'Neal. Like, he literally was so confident. Like, he. We would be walking down, like, deep ellum, like, this is, you know, six or seven years ago, and two guys would break out in an intense fight, and Jordan will walk up and be like, whoa, whoa, whoa, guys. And, like, try to get in the middle.

Jordan Austin (13:25)

I know. I. For some reason, I was like, guys, cooler heads will prevail. And I really felt like it was my role. You just step into fights and be like, hey, guys, whoa. Let's talk this out.

Danny Austin (13:35)

And one day. One day he did that when I was with him. I go, jordan, you're gonna get us killed. Like, you're literally gonna get us killed. Like, you do not belong in the middle of those two men fight. You don't even know what they're fighting.

Jordan Austin (13:44)

The point that you made was like, hey, you're actually making me unsafe and not prot me by getting involved. And I was like, okay, you're right.

Danny Austin (13:51)

No. Because there was this one time where I actually got scared because you. You, like, wanted to intervene.

Jordan Austin (13:56)

And I was like, yeah, Deep Ellen. Yeah, I remember they were, like, on the floor, like, rolling around, and I was like, I got this.

Danny Austin (14:01)

Yeah. I was like, please, no. No, you don't. This is before you worked out, too, so. Yeah. Yeah. So no, it's It's a really sweet. It's coming from a very sweet place, but it's kind of like one of those things is like, you got a family.

Jordan Austin (14:14)

No, I know I got a family.

Danny Austin (14:16)

Guys take care of us.

Jordan Austin (14:17)

But I do feel like we. We had so much fun together. I know. That was the purpose of the trip.

Danny Austin (14:22)

Yeah.

Jordan Austin (14:23)

But we were like, best friends.

Danny Austin (14:25)

I know. We were such good buddies.

Jordan Austin (14:26)

Best friends.

Danny Austin (14:27)

We were just buddying out.

Jordan Austin (14:28)

Like, we're just budding. We woke up every morning, we were like, you know what? I love you.

Danny Austin (14:32)

And I was like, I love you too. I was like, this is a great life.

Jordan Austin (14:36)

I was like, why do we ever fight?

Danny Austin (14:37)

Yeah.

Jordan Austin (14:40)

Can you believe two weeks ago we were fighting? That's so stupid.

Danny Austin (14:43)

Stupid.

Jordan Austin (14:47)

Oh, man.

Danny Austin (14:48)

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Jordan Austin (20:13)

But one of the things I learned about you was one of the things that you found most attractive about me was that I'm constantly like, learning new things.

Danny Austin (20:23)

Yeah.

Jordan Austin (20:23)

And I, I was so glad I learned that because I'm not gonna lie, like, I learn a lot of things. I go down some crazy rabbit holes. And when I learned that that actually was something that you loved about me, I started opening up on the trip. So, like, every day I'd be like, danny, like, you're not gonna believe the rabbit hole I just went down.

Danny Austin (20:40)

Yeah.

Jordan Austin (20:40)

And she'd be like, tell me. And then it turns out that Danny has very fierce opinions about all of my rabbit holes. And so it actually is like, if I introduce a rabbit hole into our marriage, we will talk about it, I think for like a week. And so I just started like, feeding these rabbit holes. And I was like, danny, you want me to tell you about what I learned? And then she'd be like, that's so stupid. Like, and she would like it, like, gives you something to chew on. And it's like a Great bonding exercise for us. But anyway, the first one.

Danny Austin (21:10)

Wait, before you go on into, like, the actual details of them, the one. Can I. I was thinking about this the other day. The only negative side of a person that loves to learn 247 is I feel like they are constantly being influenced in different directions, where they learn so much that they end up contradicting themselves. Does that make sense?

Jordan Austin (21:35)

Yeah.

Danny Austin (21:36)

Like, it's kind of like whatever is, like the flavor of the week, like that. That month. Because it's like. Like, you learn your influence in so many different ways that I feel like sometimes you lose yourself because you're like, I believe this, but you don't really believe that. You just read it, and you believe whatever you just read. Whatever you read most recent is what you believe.

Jordan Austin (21:58)

See, I don't think that all the rabbit holes I go down even, like, the conspiracy theories I present on this podcast. I don't know. I'm not really, like, presenting them. Like, I totally 100 have thought this out, and I believe it.

Danny Austin (22:10)

But here's the thing.

Jordan Austin (22:10)

I love the curiosity and entertaining.

Danny Austin (22:14)

No, but because. But here's the thing. It's also because, like, the order by which you're learning, because sometimes I feel like it's like information overload, because. So I think the reason why. Which we'll get into the telepathy tapes, which is like, basically, Jordan came to dinner one night and was like, danny, telepathy is real. And you're not gonna believe this. There's this podcast that proves it. And I was like. And he's like, you know how we've been talking about spiritual warfare? It's all tied together. And I'm like, because he was just learning about spiritual warfare. When he learns about telepathy, then you're influenced from what you had learned prior. Okay, so now we can get into the telepathy tapes.

Jordan Austin (22:56)

Well, no, the point that I was trying to make. And I will say, I'll give you a plus one on this one. When you lock me onto an island that is only accessible by boat and you give me Twitter, I did feel towards the end that I had a tinfoil hat on. And if you. If I had, like, a board, I was, like, connecting dots, and I was like, look at the grand.

Danny Austin (23:19)

No, seriously, I'm not gonna lie. You kind of scared me that one night.

Jordan Austin (23:23)

Oh, really? Yeah.

Danny Austin (23:24)

When you were telling. No, here's the thing. I didn't know about the pot. I know this was before my sun poisoning. Oh, yours. I didn't know about the podcast. I Didn't know about the telepathy taste. I didn't know anything about any of this. But Jordan comes to dinner, and he's like, danny, telepathy is real.

Jordan Austin (23:42)

I didn't say that.

Danny Austin (23:44)

No, Jordan, yes, you did. And you were like. And Danny, it's God given. And these people are literally. It's a God given superpower. And these people are reading minds from all over the country, and they meet in their minds at a case called the Hill, and then they read each other's minds, and they read their mom's minds, and they read everybody's minds, and there's. There's really just people reading.

Jordan Austin (24:08)

Listen. Okay, there's going to. This is going to divide the podcast listeners in 50, 50. It's going to be the people who have listened to the podcast, and they're going to be like, preach, Jordan. Like, yes, I listen to it, too. And then the people who have no idea what you're talking about are going to be like, danny's husband is losing his mind. You have to listen to the podcast.

Danny Austin (24:24)

I am listening to the podcast. But here's what I actually implore you to do before you listen to the podcast called the Telepathy Tapes. Go Pay. Go pay 9.99 or try to get the free version of the experiments that Kai Dickens is posting on the paywall, behind the paywall. The experiments that she's describing in the podcast. Because what she describes in the podcast and what you see in these visual experiments is not. They don't. They're not. They don't add up.

Jordan Austin (24:58)

I will. I will admit that they are not the same.

Danny Austin (25:01)

And so trust me, if I would have gone the other route and listen to the podcast first, I know that I would probably be on the same. Like, I'd probably be like, yeah, double empathy is real. Because I would have believed everything that she said. And she's very convincing. And I. I even believe that she believes what she's saying. Like, I don't. I don't know if she is.

Jordan Austin (25:21)

Well, okay, can I explain what they are first?

Danny Austin (25:24)

Yes.

Jordan Austin (25:24)

Okay. Okay. So basically what happened is the rabbit hole I went down on this island was there had been a podcast that I had. Had saved called the telepathy tapes. The telepathy. The telepathy tapes really went viral probably three weeks ago, but I just haven't gotten around to them. And they surpassed Joe Rogan, okay, as, like, number one. And they were charting. And so it has been a podcast viral sensation. And the telepathy tapes are basically this documentarian Kai Dickens or Dickinson? Kai Dickens, K. Kai Dinkins. She's a. She does documentaries. She basically was investigating this group of moms. And I don't quote me on this, but I'm pretty sure there are thousands of them who have. Don't.

Danny Austin (26:10)

Well, don't.

Jordan Austin (26:11)

I mean, is that true?

Danny Austin (26:12)

Okay.

Jordan Austin (26:13)

Who have nonverbal, non functioning autistic children. Okay. So boys and girls, non verbal, non functioning. So she finds this group of moms and there's some in Georgia, there's some through the South. There's. They're all over the US and she starts meeting with them and investigating them.

Danny Austin (26:30)

Now, I don't think it's thousands, just so you know, I'm like fact checking you and I just. When you say thousands, because you told me that at dinner too.

Jordan Austin (26:37)

She says on the podcast that there are thousands. So anyway, I'm listening to the podcast and the podcast is pretty wild. I've only listened to three episodes, to be clear. Okay? So I've not listened to all of them, but basically the thesis that she goes in with is she goes in with immense skepticism. Her cinematographer is like an atheist, like doesn't believe this at all. And they start interviewing these families and if you listen to the podcast, like you're not visualizing what's going on, but basically they start running all these experiments and you hear the kind of heartfelt stories of these moms who are like, I'm telling you, I know this is crazy, but my son has these kind of supernatural, or my daughter has these supernatural abilities to know what I am thinking and feeling, okay? And so at first you start listening to the podcast and you're like, okay, you know, they're, they're non communicative. And so typically it's kind of like when if you're blind, you're all of your other senses, like become more powerful, right? So I'm just thinking, okay, these are just highly emotional EQ kids, right, who can understand what people are feeling and thinking. And then they start running all these experiments and they're explaining them over audio format. And it's like, you know, the, the statistic they share is they do all these different, like popsicle steps, tick stick tests where you have to match the colors, but they're blindfolded. They'll pull out uno cards, like behind their back and they will like guess and, you know, guess what the card is. They will, their, their moms will think of math problems and they will know the answers. And the way that the nonverbal kids start communicating is via spelling they call it spelling, right? And so spelling is like where they have either a chalkboard or an iPad.

Danny Austin (28:25)

Or key or keyboard.

Jordan Austin (28:26)

Or a keyboard. And they can start like actually communicating out. So one of the most powerful stories in the telepathy tapes is this one mom whose son is 17. She's working three doctor jobs, trying to keep up and like, you know, provide for her non verbal autistic son. And one day she introduces spelling. And in the spelling exercise, her son says, I'm in here because most of the medical community has written off these, these kids as like, medically gone. Like there's nothing that you can do. And they are, there's. There's no intelligence, there's nothing going on in there. And then what all these moms have found is like, oh my gosh, they know all these things about history, they're incredibly intelligent, they're incredibly smart, etc. Etc. Etc. So she goes into this and I'm a believer in that. I'm like, okay, of course I'm open minded. I'm like, okay, I don't. I do think that they, they obviously are highly intelligent. I think that there's a language or communication barrier. And so if you give them the ability to communicate, these non verbal autistic kids probably are in their own way, super geniuses, right?

Danny Austin (29:35)

But you said that they're reading minds, right?

Jordan Austin (29:38)

So that's when in the documentary she basically starts discovering that they start running all these like, informal and informal experiments about like, okay, are they really reading minds? And the only part that I got to, to be clear is the cinematographer, who is an atheist, literally being like, whoa, like, I, I think I need to believe in God now because of what they are witnessing. Do you remember that part in the, in the series? So I tell Danny about this three episodes in, and here I am thinking like, okay, this is such a cool topic, like, we should talk about this. And Danny is shell shocked first. I guess you were saying, my husband's gone mad on this island.

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Jordan Austin (35:10)

But I saw it in your eyes.

Danny Austin (35:12)

You were like, yeah, because I'm trying to be open minded. And I'm like, okay, well, you know, God does crazy things. And so I, I believe that God can't. And I hadn't listened to the podcast. I hadn't seen the videos, so. But you were like, you know, the videos are online. Like, you can watch this. And so I was like, okay, I want to.

Jordan Austin (35:31)

And everyone's talking about this. Like, Joe Rogan's talking about it. Like, everyone in the podcasting world is talking.

Danny Austin (35:36)

And I want to watch someone read someone's mind. Like, that's crazy. And so, and here's the thing. Like, I, I am only talking about telepathy in this, okay? Like, I don't want to, I don't know. Well, I have a very close person in my life that has neurodevelopment, developmental, you know, disorder. And, But I don't usually share that person on my stories or. And, but they're very, very close to me. And so I know, I know enough about this, but I don't want to speak for any moms and about the way that, you know, children, if they develop differently, how they should communicate. Like, I just want to disclaim that. Like, I am just talking about the telepathy, the fact that people can, other people, people in general can read other people's minds, okay? And so that part was the, the fishy thing to me, okay? And when you brought, you brought the faith aspect of it to, in, in. And that, I was like, I don't know, like, how I feel about this, like, spiritually in my religion. And that's, that's where I was like, I think it's okay. And I think it's healthy to be scared, skeptical when religion is brought into the conversation.

Jordan Austin (36:52)

Can I, can I pause? So before, like, I wasn't saying this is God given. So really what happens in the series is there. I think it's episode six. There's an episode six. And it basically brings up this concept of the hill. Okay? So the hill apparently is this, this thing that all of these non verbal, non functioning autistic kids, they all know about. It is apparently a. I don't know, I don't even know what to say. A spiritual experience where they all, like, you can have kids in different zip codes and they all reference and know this concept of the hill. Okay? And the hill. I wish I would have listened to the episode, but. But I guess there's an interviewer and the interviewer asked the question, like, what is this concept of the hill that you're referring to, to the autistic kid? Okay? The interviewer is non faith based. Like, you know, just a researcher, just an interviewer, and this is not the director. And apparently the, the autistic kid goes, you know the hill. Why don't you explain it? And her face turns white. This is how it's described in the episode. Her face turns white and she had had a dream 10 years prior about being on top of a hill, seeing Jesus and seeing all of these. I don't know if they were autistic, but all of these children around a hill, okay? And so the, that is where the spiritual side of it came in. And I also. What's really crazy is I actually listened. There's a podcast called the Blurry Creatures Podcast, and it is a faith based podcast and it typically explores more like fringe topics, like, you know, they'll talk about aliens, they'll talk about Bigfoot. I don't listen to the podcast. A lot of people have told me to listen to it, but I just don't because it's like a little too much for me to be honest. But they interview this guy named Joe Franco. I think he is a pastor at Highlands Church in Scottsdale. And this church particularly has a ministry that's been around for years and years and years that ministers to autistic families or the families of autistic children. So he really understands a lot of the, the gifts of autistic kids and the spiritual side of autistic kids. He goes onto this podcast and he says, listen, I went on this documentary, I went on the telepathy tapes, and they wouldn't share the faith side of what I was sharing because Kai Dickens is not faith based. Like, she does not connect, like, Jesus and Christianity to what is happening in this. So I didn't just pull faith out of my butt. To be clear, like, Joe Franco is the one who's like, leading the charge and trying to connect the dots on, like, what is happening in this with it. And I want him to get. I want to get him on the podcast.

Danny Austin (39:45)

No, and, and I, I see what you're saying. I just want to say from, from, from when you told me about the fact that some people might be reading some other people's minds, I. There is a part of me that, like, I'm like, okay, this could be true, but the only way that I will believe it is if I feel like it came from the Holy Spirit. And the Holy Spirit doesn't show up in your life unless you accept Jesus as your Lord and Savior. Like, the moment that you do that, you receive the Holy Spirit. And I do believe the Holy Spirit gives you gifts, like healing or speaking in tongues or whatever. And maybe it was telepathy, like, I don't know. So that there was a part of me that was open to that. But what I don't believe is when people have these gifts and they don't reference The Holy Spirit, like, to me, that makes it demonic, to be honest. Like, I think that if people have those gifts, then it's coming from something not of God. And if it's not of God, then it's demonic. So if these people were saying, like, God is giving me these numbers or these answers or whatever and Jesus is speaking, I have a way more open mind than I just have telepathy.

Jordan Austin (40:53)

But I think if. What episode are you on?

Danny Austin (40:56)

I'm on, like, I just. I'll be a four.

Jordan Austin (40:58)

Okay. I think that when you get to like, five and six, I think that there's a lot more spirituality.

Danny Austin (41:04)

But I'm saying that, like, the whole format, the whole environment, the whole everything about these episodes and even the experiments is not rooted in. In, like, Jesus or the Holy Spirit. Therefore, like, I don't think they're about, like, that's just not like, when someone, like, prophesies or when you saw these, like, miracles or whatever in the Bible, whatever. It's like people were, like, deep in prayer and, and thanking Jesus and on their knees and just in so much gratitude. And I truly believe if, like, God were to give us telepathy, we'd be praising him, not praising our daughters, our children's, our moms, our doctors. I think that it would be such, like, an overwhelming supernatural gift that you'd be like, the number is five, two, three. Thank you, Jesus. Like, I really believe that. And so that's where my skeptic skepticism comes from. I just. It would be such a supernatural thing that you wouldn't be able to deny where it came from, and it wouldn't be questionable from, like, the person. That's. That's just. That's how I would think of it.

Jordan Austin (42:08)

But I think that. I think we deny the supernatural every day.

Danny Austin (42:13)

But.

Jordan Austin (42:16)

Like, I think the skepticism towards the supernatural is. It happens every day.

Danny Austin (42:23)

Like, what can you give me? What do you mean?

Jordan Austin (42:27)

Like, for example, like, you know, let's take the plane crash that I was almost on. Like, I, you know, I could have said, oh, man.

Danny Austin (42:35)

But you did thank God, and you did thank God, and we did think that, right?

Jordan Austin (42:39)

But I could have easily, easily denied that there wasn't a more spiritual component to, like, why I wasn't on that.

Danny Austin (42:46)

But yeah, because. But because you're a believer, babe. You have the Holy Spirit, and therefore you received that message. Now, somebody that wasn't a believer probably wouldn't have gotten that message. They would been, like, coincidence. But you have the Holy Spirit living inside of you, right?

Jordan Austin (43:01)

And so you just don't think that they do.

Danny Austin (43:03)

Well, I don't know. I didn't hear them talk about it.

Jordan Austin (43:06)

Right.

Danny Austin (43:08)

So I guess I just think whenever things are like, like, I mean, I'm, I'm not saying they do or they don't, I don't know. But I'm just saying that, like, to me, it's dangerous to influence people, that the supernatural is possible without it being God given.

Jordan Austin (43:26)

But what about, what about, what about Joe Franco? Or Joe Franco, the, the pastor on the Blurry Creatures podcast who is, you know, he, he basically made the case and he was very careful. He was kind of like, hey, I'm not speaking out against the telepathy tapes, but like, you know, I definitely shared more from a faith based perspective that they did not include.

Danny Austin (43:46)

I don't really care who Joe Franco is. Like, I, I would care what the Bible says about the Holy Spirit and miracles and what the Holy Spirit does. I don't really care what, like another pastor is saying, to be honest.

Jordan Austin (43:59)

I know. So, sorry, I, I hear you, but I'm trying to follow the point that you're making.

Danny Austin (44:03)

I know you asked me.

Jordan Austin (44:07)

Well, so, yeah, I, I, I don't, I don't know where you were going with this.

Danny Austin (44:14)

I'm just saying this is where my skepticism came from.

Jordan Austin (44:17)

Right, but your skepticism was definitely, like, early on, I think you were open minded at the dinner. And so what happened was Danny and I then went back to the room and we, because they reference, oh, you need to watch the tapes on telepathytapes.com or whatever. So we go to telepathytapes.com. i'm not gonna lie, the paywall was questionable. I was like, okay, like, super weird. Like, why are you making me pay to see these videos? Like, I would have appreciated some type of messaging that was like, hey, we're raising money to shoot the documentary or something like that. But it just straight up was a paywall. And so we watched the tapes and you know, you would think, I mean, Danny was like, she was like Sherlock Holmes on these tapes. I mean, she was all over them. She had a magnifying glass. She was super zooming in and she was like, look at that hand, look at that hand. And what your biggest problem was. And it really gets into a larger conversation on what do they call it?

Danny Austin (45:18)

So it's called facilitated communication and rapid method. Rapid movement. Let me see. Rapid. It's called rpm.

Jordan Austin (45:32)

Yeah, it's called rpm. I remember them saying that.

Danny Austin (45:35)

Hold on. Facilitating facilitated communication and rapid prompting method. They're A. A controversial technique used to help nonverbal or minimally verbal individuals communicate by quickly presenting prompts and encouraging them to spell out words using a letterboard or keyboard. So what it claims to do is use sensory prompts like tapping, speaking, or writing words to keep attention focused and help the individual point to letters or words. And then facilitated communication has been discredited because the facilitator. Facilitator may unknowingly influence the answers. So basically, it's. It's extremely controversial. And I don't really want to have an opinion on these two forms of communication, but it's important.

Jordan Austin (46:22)

So explain the. You don't have to take a side, but explain the controversy.

Danny Austin (46:26)

The controversy is that with facilitated communication, for example, if you have someone that is trying to spell out a word that they're maybe reading from your mind. So let's just say that someone's thinking of the word water bottle. Okay? So on the spelling board, it unknowingly, the facilitator, let's just say it's Jordan, is giving me little cues to stop at each letter. And those cues could be a blink, it could be a movement with his right hand. It could be a. The way that he's leaning with his body, it could be the way he's twitching his mouth. It's sometimes subconsciously that the facilitator doesn't even know that they're giving to the person who is receiving the word. And so that's why it's controversial, because if you ask someone that's non verbal a question, maybe they're just using the cues that they're getting from their facilitator to answer. Or maybe they're actually. It's coming from within. I don't know. Like, I don't, I don't know. All I'm saying is when I watched the tapes, I saw the facilitator or the moms in the videos signaling or touching the person who was receiving. And to me, that showed that it wasn't telepathy because they were communicating in nonverbal ways with touch or with movement. Does that make sense? And so whether it's a way to communicate or not within, I don't know, but I'm just saying it. I don't believe it was telepathy. I think that there were cues that were given that made them stop on certain letters or certain numbers. Now, there were a couple experiments where, like, someone is sitting across the room and like the mom is sitting across the room and she writes the word house on a Piece of paper, and they spell it out together. And my thing there, she's verbally going, so she's still not communicating. They're still always communicating.

Jordan Austin (48:32)

Is that her or the kid, though?

Danny Austin (48:33)

Both of them. They're both going back and forth. And here's the thing. We also don't know the context of the experiment. The experiments were very relaxed. There weren't a lot of controlled variables. So, like, if I were to ask Stella right now what starts with D, she would be like, Danny, because she always goes, danny Austin. Danny Austin. And when she sees. She's learning the, like, how to write her name right now, and when she sees the word D, she goes, mommy, that's your letter. When she sees, like, the word C, she goes, crocodile, because she knows C associates with crocodile. Like, there's. There's, like. There's nonverbal. There's, like, things that have happened in our. In our lives, in. In her learning, like, career that would influence her to speak a certain way. So if I were to be like, stella, read my mind. What am I thinking? And I write down. I'm like, it starts with a D. And then I write, she's gonna be like, Danny. And then everybody's gonna be like, oh, my gosh, she's reading your mind. But it's like, no. Distella and I both know that that's the word that starts with D, you know? So there were experiments like that that we just don't really know, like, the context of the experiment. And then the other thing that I just found really strange was the amount of jump cuts and the amount of, like, they had to change the frames so many times throughout the experiments that, like, just. It was just very, like. To me, if I was trying to be as scientific as possible and gain credibility, like, the podcast communicates, I would go through lengths to, like, have my experiments be credible and. And have controlled variables that show, like, consistently how this experiment is working in different environments, in different scenarios where, like, different positioning. And I just. The. The visual experiments did not build up to the credibility communicated through the podcast.

Jordan Austin (50:30)

Yeah, because the podcast. Yeah, the podcast does communicate. Hey, like, this is crazy. Statistical significance would be 25% plus. These kids are doing it at 97% plus. So before you watch the videos, I will give you that. Before you watch the videos, you're like, oh, my gosh. Like, this is crazy. You know, like, this is very, very statistically significant. But you get this depiction in your mind when you're listening to it that they're, like, doing it from different rooms. There's no touch involved. And then when you watch the videos, I do see your skepticism going the reverse. Like, I listen to some of the audio, and then I watch the videos. And you just watch the videos, and you were like, this is bull crap.

Danny Austin (51:10)

Well, and bullcrap sounds really, like, intense, but, like, a lot of the evidence also, like, they're. A lot of it was anecdotal. Like, a lot of it was just stories that you hear from. And here's the thing. Like, if. I don't know, but, like, if there's, like, a community of, like, let's just say that reality TV show that we were, like, being, you know, like, they were trying to film a reality TV show of, like, these influencers in Dallas. And once you hear that the show is coming, you connect with that community and you start talking and you start, like, living, like, inviting each other to birthday parties, and you start getting in the same circles. And, like, I feel like that's also something that could have happened within this podcast. It's like everybody kind of hears of each other, and so then we all get on the same page. And then I haven't listened to the part about the hill, but, like, it's just things like that. That it's like. It's more, like, influence through the community than it is telepathy.

Jordan Austin (52:07)

But I also think the reverse is true. Especially in this day and age. We're so. It really is, like, honestly, most of what is truth is coming from the ground up, not, like, the top down. Like, it's not the medical establishment being like, hey, like, this is what you should do. It's. It's. It's more. It's more crowdsourced from communities of being like, hey, like, this thing is working for me, or this is not working for me. And so I just don't want to, like, the reason I'm so quick to not dismiss the wisdom of the crowds of the Internet, like, these moms who believe that their kids are telepathic, is because I think that over the past three years, we've learned that. Dang. I mean, there's a lot of things that were discredited that are, like, kind of true, you know? And so it. It just allows for me to approach things with a much more open mind, not, like, dismissive. Does that make sense?

Danny Austin (53:03)

Yeah, I just.

Jordan Austin (53:04)

Yeah, I. I think my big question for you is, like, so you popped off on Instagram stories about this. I want to know.

Danny Austin (53:10)

I didn't pop off. I was just like, hey, this looks.

Jordan Austin (53:13)

No. Yeah. Sorry, not in a bad way. But you addressed it on Instagram stories. You started the conversation, wisdom of the crowds of your DMS. Like, what was kind of the response in DMS? Was it very 50? 50, like, people, like, I believe this. 50 people, like, not. Or.

Danny Austin (53:28)

It was so all over the place. Like, I would say 30% hadn't heard of. 33% hadn't heard of it. 33% listened to it, totally believed it, and 33%, no. And then there was like a 5% in there that was like, wow. Like, I listened to the podcast, I believed it, and now you're showing me these tapes and, like, this is totally fake.

Jordan Austin (53:51)

So 33% listened and watched and still believed.

Danny Austin (53:55)

Yeah. And then 15%, like, just didn't believe.

Jordan Austin (53:59)

Okay. And then 5% were like, I listened and then I watched and I'm. Now, Now I'm out.

Danny Austin (54:04)

Yeah.

Jordan Austin (54:05)

Okay.

Danny Austin (54:05)

So.

Jordan Austin (54:07)

So people are, like, really wrestling with this. And I will tell you that Danny got an official response as the conversation starter. She got an official response from the telepathy tapes themselves.

Danny Austin (54:18)

Wait, I just. Before you go into that, I just want to touch on something you just said because I'm like, so are you saying that you're just open minded about anything and everything?

Jordan Austin (54:29)

Yeah, totally. Like, to me, I'm just kind of like. I mean, what's. What's the harm in. What's the harm in, like, listening?

Danny Austin (54:40)

Oh, because like, you can be influenced in such a scary way.

Jordan Austin (54:45)

Yeah, I mean, I guess, but I'm not saying listening.

Danny Austin (54:50)

It's okay to listen, but, like, to be so open minded about everything.

Jordan Austin (54:56)

I think it's like a. It's like a process. It's like, you know, will I listen to a podcast about Bigfoot? Yeah, totally. Do I think Bigfoot is real? Like, no, not at all. Is it fun to, like, listen to.

Danny Austin (55:09)

You listen to one podcast about Bigfoot and you would believe he's real?

Jordan Austin (55:13)

No, I think that's what you think about me. I think that that's what you think about me. And I. So let me ask you. This is part of your visceral reaction to this? Because, you know, like, babe, I share a lot of funny things with you. A lot of kooky things. For some reason. This one's like, really? It's been your mission for the past 48 hours?

Danny Austin (55:36)

No, it's the telepathy part.

Jordan Austin (55:38)

Right. So I guess my question for you.

Danny Austin (55:40)

Is, like, like, that's a supernatural pseudoscience, like, thing.

Jordan Austin (55:47)

Sure, sure. Why? I just don't understand why. Listen, you Since I shared it with you, you have sat me down probably twice. You have gone on your dms. You have sat. You. You tried to. You said. Literally, before this podcast, she draws out a spelling board. She tells me to put my. My hand on her leg, and she's like, okay, influence me to pick the three numbers. And I, like, try. And she's like, see? And I get it. You're. You're not angry? What are you.

Danny Austin (56:21)

No, I'm not angry.

Jordan Austin (56:22)

Is this a justice thing in your mind? This is a righteous endeavor to talk this down. And to me, I'm kind of just like, danny, it's, like, not that serious.

Danny Austin (56:37)

It's not that serious that we're saying that people can read people's minds.

Jordan Austin (56:40)

I'm saying we don't know. I go, let me finish the podcast. She's like, no, no, you. You need to tell me. Like, do you know? And I'm like, I don't know. Like, let me finish the podcast and I'll let you know. Probably not, but, like, I'm not gonna say yes or no.

Danny Austin (56:53)

I don't know. I'll think about why it bothers me.

Jordan Austin (56:55)

I. I think that that's what we need to get to, is we need to get to, like, the thing underneath the thing.

Danny Austin (57:01)

I just don't.

Jordan Austin (57:03)

Because, Danny, I could come to you and I could be like, here, let me lay out a case for Bigfoot. And you'd be like, this is so silly. Like, my husband's such a quirky dude. This one is like, there's something about it.

Danny Austin (57:14)

Can I be honest? I'm scared to be honest.

Jordan Austin (57:16)

I think I know why. Go ahead.

Danny Austin (57:22)

It feels like they're preying on weak. On weak people. Like the, like. Like mo.

Jordan Austin (57:28)

Like, vulnerable moms who is praying, the documentarians.

Danny Austin (57:33)

I don't know, just the whole conversation. And, like, also, I just feel like it's a supernatural thing, not rooted in faith. Therefore, like, it's something that I. I won't believe.

Jordan Austin (57:44)

Can I give you a counter theory? Will you shake my hand that we're not gonna fight about this? It's sweet, it's sensitive. It's. It's in love to you.

Danny Austin (57:53)

Yeah.

Jordan Austin (57:55)

Danny grew up in a charismatic church, and one time. I've heard this story many times. I might. You're going to have to tell me. One time, they locked Danny in. Will you tell the story?

Danny Austin (58:08)

They just locked me in a room in second grade and told us we weren't allowed to leave until we spoke in tongues.

Jordan Austin (58:13)

Yes. And I think that that's That's a funny story. It's a weird story. I think the spiritually significant side of that story is I think that in that moment, you so desperately wanted to be able to receive the Lord and speak in tongues. And I think in that moment, you felt an abundant amount of shame and guilt that you couldn't receive the Lord and speak in tongues like other people. I think that that childhood trauma is. Is activated here when it comes to this supernatural gift that these kids could or could not be experiencing. And I feel like your sense of justice on that is you are actually protecting little Danny, who was locked into that room and who felt shame. Felt shame and guilt put onto her by humans that she was not able to experience that supernatural gift. I don't know if it's like, exactly, but I feel like the two are somehow connected. And the only reason I feel that is because you have been Sherlock Holmes for the past 48 hours to talk this down.

Danny Austin (59:35)

Yeah.

Jordan Austin (59:36)

And it's not about the telepathy. It's not about.

Danny Austin (59:38)

No, it is for me.

Jordan Austin (59:40)

I think. You think that.

Danny Austin (59:42)

No, it's about the telepathy.

Jordan Austin (59:44)

Okay.

Danny Austin (59:45)

It just feels so wrong that they're like, I don't know.

Jordan Austin (59:48)

And see, here's my perspective. My perspective is so there's. There's supernatural things that happen that I do think that you and I are typically on the same page about. That we're like. That is, like, demonic. That is no good. No bueno for me in the era that I'm in right now. Let me change gears for just a second. So I went to this new therapist. Okay. It's going to sound random, but I'll. I'll round it out. I went to this new therapist, and she was recommended by our marriage counselors. And I don't know how. I mean, we ended up talking about, like, you know, we were talking about a lot of things, you know, and we started talking about, like, spiritual warfare. And I just was, like, curious. She's a believer. Believer. And, you know, she was talking about how, like, the kind of links between psychiatry and psychology and therapy and spiritual warfare and where's the start and where's the stop? We were just having that conversation. She was telling me the story. She was like, yeah. You know, one time I was doing brain spotting with someone in an addiction clinic, and she was like, you know, brain. Do you know what brain spotting is? Like, where they have you, like, hooked up, and they're, like, scanning your brain as, like, you're doing sounds, and like, they're trying to Monitor like, what's going on in your head? And she was like, it was crazy because I saw like we all in the room felt this presence enter the room, which could not be described as anything other than just like evil. And she was like, I actually saw it on the brain spotting. She didn't say it was a demon. She was just like, yes, I saw this interaction. And anyway, she told me. I was like, oh man, that's so interesting. She was like, it's really interesting. You should listen to this podcast and I'm gonna look it up called I think everyone should listen to it. The Place We Find Ourselves by Adam Young. So Adam Young is a therapist who's also a believer and he has this six part series on. Oops, sorry. He has a six part series on spiritual warfare. If you scroll back to April or. Sorry, yeah, like April, July 1, 2019 is when the first part is. And I listened to the six part series and you know, he just talks about how like the collision of, of spiritual warfare, good versus evil. And the case that he makes like, as a believer is like biblically speaking, we are in a state in history where we are at war. So Jesus has already reclaimed the throne. But every day this is kind of like the natural world is kind of like Satan's land. You know, it's like, so every single day there are, there is a war going on in the spiritual realm of good versus evil. Every movie personifies this. Every Catholic.

Danny Austin (62:52)

The Bible talks about it.

Jordan Austin (62:53)

The Bible talks about it. And so we believe that we felt that we've experienced that.

Danny Austin (62:57)

Well, it's, it's since the fall of man.

Jordan Austin (63:00)

But we're not, we're not writing that off. And he makes this big point that post enlightenment era Protestants, not Catholics, Protestants stopped believing in evil. There's this book I just ordered and it's called the Death of Satan. And it's like this Jewish historian writing about how post enlightenment, like Americans really just stopped believing that Satan or the devil was real. And we started like explaining things mostly through like natural causes. Oh, he's not, that's not demonic. They're schizophrenic. That's not this.

Danny Austin (63:36)

It's depression.

Jordan Austin (63:37)

It's depression. It's whatever. And so he's trying to kind of like merge the two. And it's been really enlightening to me. And so the reason I'm not saying, and I don't think it matters whether I believe the telepathy is right or like true or not. To me, I am in an era where I am genuinely choosing to believe that there is an active and present God and that that active and present God can do miracles in our lives and in the natural world.

Danny Austin (64:10)

And I believe all that too.

Jordan Austin (64:14)

Whether this telepathy is part of that or not. I don't know. The Hill stuff is really interesting to.

Danny Austin (64:23)

Me, but I guess. So my question is with. Because I agree with everything that you said, but I guess, like, wouldn't the best thing to do if we were confused about if telepathy or whatever is like, is to go instead of listening to pastors or podcast, is to go back to the Word and back to scripture and try to figure out what we actually believe from the word of God instead of, like hearing what this guy says about it or this book says about it or whatever. Because I just feel like that's where everybody gets so confused, myself included. I'm not saying that like, I'm doing this, you know, I mean, I have tried to look up many scriptures and a lot about telepathy or like the super.

Jordan Austin (65:03)

What if you. What if you replace telepathy with prophecy or like a different word? Like, what if we're just getting caught up on the language?

Danny Austin (65:10)

No, I know, and. Exactly. But that's where the Holy Spirit comes into play, right? That's where I. That's why I believe so strongly that these things can happen. I even believe that anything can happen, telepathy, whatever, with the Holy Spirit. And because that's what the scripture says. And so sometimes I just feel like this overload of podcasts and books and commentary and tiktoks and everybody's opinions and anything can happen. I think why I get so. I loved your theory about the speaking in tongues things, but I processed it while you were speaking, and I don't think that's true at all. I think the reason why I get so defensive or whatever is because it just feels like everybody's saying anything is possible, not anything goes without actually going back to the scriptures. And I just felt, I feel like, yes, anything is possible if God said so in the script in scriptures about, like, what he. The gifts that he gives us and what we receive. And that's why I would totally believe these supernatural things that happen. But, like, I would want to know. Like, I always tell you, like, if someone comes and prophesies over you, you're going to just instantly believe them. Like, I. I think that's where God gives us the Holy Spirit to discern. And then we pray about it and we ask God, is this, Is this the Word that You want to give me, like, do I have peace about this? Like, confusion isn't of the Lord, like, all these things. And, like, that's why I would want to know these people that are reading minds. What's your prayer life? Like, what are you teaching your child? Like, are you giving. Are you saying that your child is like a God? Or are you saying that God is giving them these talents? Like, what is like, the heart and, you know, the message behind and the point of all of this? And that's where I get. I get a little defensive and I get a little, like. Because I'm like, I just don't. I don't feel like this is being used the way that God would want this message to be used.

Jordan Austin (67:07)

But who are you to say?

Danny Austin (67:09)

Well, I'm just saying what I've read from the scriptures.

Jordan Austin (67:12)

Yeah, I mean, I get it.

Danny Austin (67:14)

I'm not saying anything that I believe. It's what, like, God says about the Holy Spirit.

Jordan Austin (67:20)

Yeah, Yeah. I mean, I. I think as we go, as we finish the. As we finish the series on the telepathy tapes, I think the first question people have to ask is, like, is this real or is this bull crap? And if it's real, I think it's kind of the equivalent of, like, if. If someone with the gift of prophecy, we know, like Jackie, our house cleaner, had had this gift of prophecy, she knew stuff. Guys, I'm telling you, it's crazy. Like, if she came to you and she was prayerfully prophesying over you, like, that is very different than going to a tarot card reader.

Danny Austin (67:59)

Yeah.

Jordan Austin (68:00)

And. And so I think once you establish is the telepathy real or not, you have to decide if and discern Is it. Is it. Is it demonic or is it. Is it from the Lord?

Danny Austin (68:12)

Yeah, I mean, demonic sounds really intense because. But the thing is, demonic sounds really evil. But truthfully, like, the Bible talks about this, like, Satan is really just trying to deceive us. And sometimes he does it in a really, really beautiful. What we think is a beautiful way, you know, like, because it's deceitful. So evil doesn't always look evil, if that makes sense. Sometimes it looks like. Does that make sense?

Jordan Austin (68:38)

I 1000% agree with you.

Danny Austin (68:40)

It is like this new job opportunity that looks so sexy where you move out to California, and maybe that's actually not from God. That's maybe from Satan. But it looks like this amazing opportunity that can be put. But it's really pulling you out of community. It's pulling you away from your church. It's pulling you away from your family. Maybe you're. I don't know. There's so many ways that the devil actually uses.

Jordan Austin (69:03)

That's the spiritual warfare side.

Danny Austin (69:05)

Yes. Actually uses, like, it's just to deceive. And so I think that sometimes it can be wrapped in this beautiful mission that it's like helping all these very vulnerable people and vulnerable families. But it's actually just really deceitful. And the reason why I get so skeptical is because it's not praising God. And I feel like if there was something, some like, amazing revelation or something beautiful happening, like. Like God would be given the glory in it. Does that make sense? And I think that's why miracles from God are so beautiful, because we all get on our knees and we're like, oh, my gosh, that was from God. And like, we are convicted about it because we're like, we know only God did that, you know, And. And then. And I think that's like, also, like, even the miracles that Jesus did in the Bible were. Were like, God given. And it's just so, like, it hits you like a ton of bricks and you. Bricks, and you just know. And that's where I just get. When my skepticism comes out. It's because of that. It's because I just don't feel the presence. Me, personally, I don't feel like it's rooted in Jesus, but I think that's healthy to have some skepticism. And I'm not saying that I'm right or wrong. Am questioning. And I. And I would want. I just feel like there have been times in my life when someone has prophesied or they've spoken in tongues or they're slain and like, you just know. And yes, I wish that God would give me that. That gift, and maybe he will. And maybe I just need to exercise it more. And maybe I have the gift of prophecy and I just haven't used it yet. Like, I don't. Maybe I haven't surrendered enough. Maybe I don't have enough faith. Like, I don't. I don't know. But the thing is, is, like, I do feel like God has given me discernment in. In moments when I've been skeptical and it's been like, something that. It's like a piece that I've. That I've been given. And I think that when I don't have the peace, typically I'll go back to scripture. Like, I have about telepathy. Like, I really have. Like, I've been, like, chatgpting like, okay, tell me more about, like, the gifts of the spirit and, like, what is demonic and what is this? And I'm, like, researching. I'm. I don't want to go to another podcast. I don't even want to go to a pastor. Like, I want to go to the Bible, because the Bible is the true word of God. And the way that I'm going to interpret it is going to give me peace about my convictions that God is giving me. I don't want to listen to some other podcast about it.

Jordan Austin (71:34)

Yeah, no, I get it. And. And just to be clear, so this.

Danny Austin (71:41)

Really has nothing to do with.

Jordan Austin (71:42)

I don't. I don't.

Danny Austin (71:43)

Telepathy tapes. This is more, like, about if telepathy is real. You know what I mean?

Jordan Austin (71:47)

Yeah, yeah. It's the thing underneath the thing. Yeah. Because this is. This can't be. Listen, that's what I've been getting at is like, I know you. Like, I'm. I'm like, okay, Danny, you watched six videos behind a 999 paywall. Like, I. This is about something more. Like, you just let it go if you. Like. If you're like, this is bs. It's why I would never Deeper that. That is. And that's what I've been trying to figure out is, like, what is.

Danny Austin (72:16)

It's like the tarot cards. The tarot cards? Is that what they're called?

Jordan Austin (72:20)

Yeah.

Danny Austin (72:20)

That's why I would never do those, because sometimes, like, they end up being right. But, like, once again, I don't feel. Are you annoyed with me?

Jordan Austin (72:27)

No, no, not at all. I'm the. No, not at all. Finish your thought. Not at all.

Danny Austin (72:31)

You kind of gave, like, a little.

Jordan Austin (72:32)

No, I was trying to think of my. My next question.

Danny Austin (72:35)

Once again, they're just. It's something that I don't feel is rooted in the Holy Spirit. It's not like we're praying over the cards and saying, jesus, give us a message. Give us this. It's like some weird something that they're connecting with to predict your future. And I don't want that in my life, and I want that influence.

Jordan Austin (72:56)

What?

Danny Austin (72:57)

And I don't like the fact that people are saying that this can happen without the Holy Spirit. That's probably what bothers me.

Jordan Austin (73:03)

I think we've got to listen further because I'm pretty sure it's like, I think that these kids are saying, this is the Holy Spirit. Like, you know, we got to get further. But what. This is the last question I have. What. What is giving you? What is driving this. This righteous force in you of, like, this is deceitful. This is like tarot cards. Like, like, I guess, what is the. What is the righteous cause that you're fighting for right now? That these people, these moms are deceiving people through these telepathy tapes? Or is it the. Is it at the director? Is it.

Danny Austin (73:47)

I don't want to blame the moms. Like, please don't.

Jordan Austin (73:49)

No, no, no, no.

Danny Austin (73:50)

We love moms here.

Jordan Austin (73:51)

Yeah, yeah. No, not. Not the moms. But do you get what I'm asking you? Like, what's the righteous endeavor you're after? Like, if you had a win, you can put your stake in the sand. Like, what is the point you're trying to make?

Danny Austin (74:06)

I think that, like, everything comes from God, right? Everything is, like, God given. It's not like, like, these things don't just, like, happen.

Jordan Austin (74:21)

And just so we can, like, if we ever talk about the celebrity telepathy tapes again. Are you saying right now you are for sure that this is not from God?

Danny Austin (74:32)

No, I haven't listened to the whole telepathy tapes and I've never met these people, so I. I don't know. I just think the way that it's being communicated, I haven't really heard that at all. And I'm on episode four and I, like, watched all the tapes and stuff.

Jordan Austin (74:50)

And so if you. You have a question mark, you're, like, not saying yes, not saying no.

Danny Austin (74:58)

From the videos on the 999 paywall. No.

Jordan Austin (75:02)

Yes.

Danny Austin (75:02)

Telepathy is not real in those videos.

Jordan Austin (75:04)

Right.

Danny Austin (75:04)

I'm making like a steak.

Jordan Austin (75:06)

But a lot of people were like, go listen to the podcast and then.

Danny Austin (75:08)

Form your okay from up to episode four. Like, I don't believe that what Kai is saying lines up with what happened in the video. So it makes me.

Jordan Austin (75:18)

It feels deceitful.

Danny Austin (75:19)

It feels deceitful. Sounds so wrong. But it made me lose trust in the validity of what she was saying. And so therefore, because I've already listened to four episodes, I'm not going to probably trust episode five, six or seven, either.

Jordan Austin (75:36)

Yeah.

Danny Austin (75:37)

Do you know what I mean? Because there's been enough for me that hasn't lined up with the videos that it's just now I'm like, I don't know what to believe.

Jordan Austin (75:44)

So, honest question. Answer honestly.

Danny Austin (75:47)

Yeah.

Jordan Austin (75:48)

What do you feel towards me being like. I don't know, like, when I'm like. I don't know, like, I'll keep listening.

Danny Austin (75:56)

Fear.

Jordan Austin (75:57)

Fear for me.

Danny Austin (75:59)

Yeah.

Jordan Austin (76:00)

Okay. That's great. This is. Okay, unpack that. Why? What what are you scared of?

Danny Austin (76:06)

It scares me that you could be influenced. So, like this.

Jordan Austin (76:12)

Okay, so. So you feel protective over me?

Danny Austin (76:19)

No, I don't feel protective.

Jordan Austin (76:21)

You feel fear and anger.

Danny Austin (76:24)

No, no anger.

Jordan Austin (76:25)

Okay. Just. Just fearful.

Danny Austin (76:27)

Just fear.

Jordan Austin (76:27)

Like you're going to lose your husband to a tinfoil hat.

Danny Austin (76:30)

Yeah.

Jordan Austin (76:31)

Really?

Danny Austin (76:32)

A little bit.

Jordan Austin (76:33)

Okay.

Danny Austin (76:35)

Yeah.

Jordan Austin (76:35)

Interesting. That feels.

Danny Austin (76:37)

It feels like you've toed the line in the past and I'm totally cool with it because I'm like, open minded. Yeah, this could all be true, Whatever. And then this one felt like crossing.

Jordan Austin (76:46)

The line, but I'm not saying. Yeah, telepathy is real. I'm like, I don't know.

Danny Austin (76:51)

Yeah.

Jordan Austin (76:52)

Okay, so you're fearful. Okay. That's. What a journey.

Danny Austin (76:58)

Yeah.

Jordan Austin (76:59)

Wow. Now this, guys, is why it is the number one podcast in the country right now, because, boy, does it spark some debate.

Danny Austin (77:09)

Yeah, it really does.

Jordan Austin (77:12)

It's been a while since I've. I've seen this fire from you.

Danny Austin (77:17)

What do you mean?

Jordan Austin (77:18)

This righteous anger? Not anger. This righteous. I don't know what even to call it. This endeavor. Yeah, I, I really shouldn't talk about my rabbit hole about the women of the 19th century.

Danny Austin (77:33)

Can I also say one other thing? I took this whole class in college about, like, how you make scientific experiments, like, basically real. And so there's just like a lot of that frustration also. But I'm like, you have these two insanely.

Jordan Austin (77:52)

I give you that.

Danny Austin (77:53)

Smart women. Dr. Powell. Is that what her name is? That went to med school. I'm like, I just had one class, like my junior year about scientific examination experiments.

Jordan Austin (78:04)

And the videos are janky af.

Danny Austin (78:07)

I mean, it's just, it's, it's mind blowing.

Jordan Austin (78:11)

It's, it's, it's definitely. It's like, it's like below bush league. What are we doing here, guys?

Danny Austin (78:16)

The scientific rigor is lacking, let's just say so. That's like a whole nother part of it.

Jordan Austin (78:25)

So in terms of the future of our opinions on the telepathy tapes, I did tell our producer that I wanted to get Joe Franco, who went on the Blurry Creatures podcast on. I think we should get Kai on at this point. Are we just done? Are we gonna end this?

Danny Austin (78:41)

No. I mean, hey, journey, we can always have a conversation.

Jordan Austin (78:43)

Or are we going to truly follow through with our purpose of this great God given podcast called De Influence?

Danny Austin (78:51)

Here's the thing. Don't believe in like the Bible, that it's the word of God or. Then you also are going to think I'm Crazy. So it's like conversation's always worth it, you know, because my point of view is rooted in that.

Jordan Austin (79:05)

And who would you rather talk to? Who would you want to talk to first from the project?

Danny Austin (79:09)

I mean, I guess Kai or maybe one of the moms.

Jordan Austin (79:15)

Yeah, one of the moms. Okay, we'll get that set up. Not Joe.

Danny Austin (79:21)

Joe Rogan.

Jordan Austin (79:22)

No. Joe. Joe Franco or whatever.

Danny Austin (79:25)

No, the pastor.

Jordan Austin (79:27)

Okay. He was on my list.

Danny Austin (79:28)

I mean. Yeah, reach out to him.

Jordan Austin (79:31)

Okay, you know what? That was our whole episode.

Danny Austin (79:34)

Yeah. And. Yeah.

Jordan Austin (79:38)

What are you gonna say?

Danny Austin (79:43)

Yeah, I. I truly like the part where I haven't watched this part, but where someone said, like, you know, I'm in here. Of course. I think everywhere alive. Like, you have a soul no matter how you communicate or what. Like 100, like, yeah, of course.

Jordan Austin (80:00)

Preach, babe. Let's see if there was anything else. I really do. I want to give a very, very heartfelt shout out to this podcast, the Place We Find Ourselves. I really think it's an awesome podcast, even beyond the spiritual warfare series. Like, I've been listening to it. They're like 20 to 30 minutes each. And if you are a Christian who also, you know, likes therapy talk, like, I. It's. It's. It's one of the best I've ever found. I would like to have him on the podcast.

Danny Austin (80:35)

I want to give a shout out to my friend Janelle.

Jordan Austin (80:42)

Okay.

Danny Austin (80:44)

So. Well, okay, let me start from square one. We went to Turks and Caicos. We had a. Let's see, we left Thursday. We came back on Sunday, and we left about the time that summit had turned three months. And, you know, Jordan and I have had. We've gone through a lot these past five or six months. And so it was a trip we, like, were. Actually. I planned it for us, and it was like, probably one of my favorite trips we've ever taken. Right. But it was crazy. I saw some. Like, whenever we posted the reel, there were a lot of moms that were like, oh, my gosh, I can't believe she left her child at three months.

Jordan Austin (81:27)

Oh, really? Oh, I was totally insulated from that.

Danny Austin (81:30)

Yeah. It had quite a few. A bunch of replies. And it was like. Some people were like, I agree. It's so dangerous to communicate this message that you should leave your 3 month old or your newborn. That's so unnatural and dangerous and a bad message to share to moms to put out there. And then some moms were like, hey, mind your own business. And, you know, I. It's crazy because I actually Have I knew that we were going to get this hate? Because we've made a tradition of this. Every time that one of our kids turns three months, we've taken a trip. Remember we did. We did Mexico, and then we did Tulum. Remember when I was postpartum, and then we did Turks and Caicos this time? And. And I like. And I understand why people get so, like, offended over that, because truthfully, I think that we all have such different postpartum experiences where some are, like, so attached to their babies for, like, so many different reasons, whether it's breastfeeding or hormones or just, like, naturally, that's where you feel like you should be. And, like, I didn't really experience that with. To be honest, with my first or second, because I had such bad postpartum depression that I always felt guilty that I wasn't that mom that was like, oh, my gosh, I have to be holding my baby 24 7. Like, I was okay with my baby sleeping in a different room, and I was okay with, you know, like, I loved them and cuddled them throughout the day, but I was okay with somebody else changing their diaper. And I always thought, oh, my gosh, am I a bad mom for feeling that way? Or it's like, is this bad that, like, I want to take a trip when my baby's three months old and, like, be. Be gone for two days? Like, and of course, like, I. I told you. How many times did I tell you throughout the trip, I'm like, oh, I just miss Summit right now. I just want to be squeezing him, and I just, like, love him so much. I mean, I would die for my child, but I just want to give a shout out to any other moms out there that maybe don't. Like, you're questioning your. Your innate, I don't know, connection with your child. And it's not a connection, because I feel so confident in my connection with Summit. I actually have had the best connection with this child. But I just want to give a shout out to the moms that, like, maybe feel like they're doubting themselves, too, and, like, what to prioritize, because it's really, really hard. It's really hard. And we all have different life circumstances. Some of us live where our parents live so our parents can come and watch our kids. Some of us live where we can't have childcare, and so. Or we don't have, like, childcare that we trust. And every scenario is so different. And so I think that we should, like, just, like, give all the Moms so much grace and support them in all their decisions. Also, people have no idea what we've gone through personally, like, in our marriage, in our relationship, and we've talked a little bit about it on the podcast, but unless you're one of us, like, you'll never really know. And I just hope that, like, for the moms that you have in your circles, like, you're supporting them and you're like, yes, calling them out if they're doing something, like, actually dangerous. But I felt, like, so confident in our decision to take our trip and leave our kids with very trusted childcare for 48 hours that I would do it over and over and over again. And for me, I felt like taking care of our marriage was priority over taking care of the kids at this exact moment for that weekend. Because I know for a fact that I can't be. We can't be like, the parents, like, the influences that we want to be unless we have a healthy marriage. Right. And our kids are going to leave us one day and then it's just going to be me and you again.

Jordan Austin (85:18)

And we have proven through Turks and Caicos that we are going to have fun still.

Danny Austin (85:23)

Yeah. And so. But I wanted to give a. I.

Jordan Austin (85:28)

Was like, what does it have to do with Janelle?

Danny Austin (85:29)

I wanted to give a shout out to Janelle too. Because the. What I was thinking about through all of this is as moms. Sorry. Like, I'm gonna kind of try to connect this in a weird way, but moms just have so many, like, expectations put on them. Whether, like, you and I were talking about this at the airport, whether it's like, you have to be a working mom, you have to be like a put together mom, you have to be like a traditional mom, but you also have to be a modern mom. And there's just, like, so many things that you have to be on a daily basis. And it's just really, really hard. You feel like you're being pulled in so many different directions. And I think something that I've really grown into is just, like, the boundaries that I'm setting as a mom. Like, whether it's like a social event on a Wednesday where it's like dinner with the girls. Which sounds amazing because you want to be a good friend when you're a mom too, right? You want to be all the things you want to be a good friend, you want to have a ton of girlfriends. But I know for a fact if I go to the social event on a Wednesday at 8 o'clock, I'm not going to go to bed till 10:30 or 11. I have to get up with my son at 5am, 6am Therefore, I'm not going to be the wife I want to be the next day because I'm be so tired and da, da. So therefore I'm not going to go to the event. I'm not going to be as close with my friends right now. But that's because I got to show up as the wife and the mom that I want to be right now. And it just. The boundaries that you set, sometimes you don't really want to do them, but you are doing them to prioritize like your family. And it's so hard because I want to attend all the baby showers and all the things. Like, I missed a baby shower, one of my best friend's baby showers this past weekend because we went to Turks and Caicos. I literally almost canceled the trip because I was like, oh, my gosh, I have to go to my best friend's baby shower, but we just can't do it at all. And I had to prioritize my marriage in that moment. And I think all my true friends, like, knew that and it was okay. But shout out to Janelle because we invited, like, a bunch of our friends to our lake house this weekend. And she was like, hey, I. I fly in. I land at three. There's no. Like, she said yes at first, but then she came back and said no because she's like, then I have to go back home, repack my bags, go out to the lake house. I'm gonna be so tired then. And it was just like, a boundary that she set. And I just wanted to, like, say, like, bravo for you. Like, I'm just, like, proud of my friends whenever they set boundaries and even, like, hanging out with each other, like, we don't get offended. I'm not like, oh, my gosh, you're a terrible friend because you're not coming to our lake house for Easter. I'm like, good for you for taking care of what really needs to be taken care of. So I just also wanted to encourage any other moms out there that maybe feel like they're setting boundaries that are kind of sad. Maybe you're not getting your nails done this weekend. Maybe you're not going to the baby shower. Maybe you're skipping the party. Maybe you're not going to that wine night, whatever it is, and going to bed early and taking care of your family. Sometimes it could be sad and feel lonely, but just want to say, we're here, like, we all relate. And I just wanted to encourage you. And good for you, Janelle.

Jordan Austin (88:20)

And for you, Danny. You've been doing amazing.

Danny Austin (88:22)

Thank you. Love you.

Jordan Austin (88:23)

Love you, too. I'm obsessed with you. Okay, let's end. Bye. Okay. Bye. Bye.

Danny Austin (88:32)

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