The Alix vs Alex Drama + Life Lately

Summary

De-Influenced with Dani + Jordan

Episode: The Alix vs Alex Drama + Life Lately
Hosts: Dani and Jordan
Date: April 23, 2026

Episode Overview

This episode blends candid marriage/parenting stories with deep-dive industry gossip, centered on the high-profile “Alix vs Alex” drama between influencers Alex Earl and Alex Cooper. Dani and Jordan switch between pop culture commentary, real talk about postpartum life, viral internet moments, behind-the-scenes influencer business, and relatable marriage banter. The episode also spotlights how influencer contracts, friendship, and girl code collide in the social media age.

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Key Discussion Points and Insights

1. Dani’s Postpartum Mental Health Journey

• Emotional Workout & Medication Update

  • Dani reflects on her first workout postpartum, sharing how exercise triggered an emotional release.

    "I cried in my workout." (00:17, Dani)

  • Discusses her experience with postpartum medication, comparing Lexapro (which can numb emotions) to her current medication, which she says doesn’t numb her but leaves her less weepy.
  • Shares vivid postpartum anxiety:

    “I truly thought that every single moment… this is the last lunch I will ever make… so emotional about the moment that you can’t appreciate the moment.” (01:07, Dani)

  • Mentions a common breastfeeding-related feeling called “search the D”—a wave of homesickness while with loved ones. (02:37)

• MRI and Health Anxiety

  • Dani had an MRI out of caution—her doctor suggested it when she sought Botox for tension headaches.
  • Humor around filling out medical intake forms, controlling the narrative for doctors:

    “You got to control the information flow, because otherwise this is going to become a circus.” (04:44, Dani)

  • Relates her MRI anxiety and how she managed her claustrophobia without medication. (05:43)

2. Illness in the Household

• Jordan endured a rough bout of strep throat, bringing newfound empathy for Dani’s frequent illnesses.

  “I have such a greater degree of empathy for you.” (07:52, Jordan)

• Dani describes herself as a “flu girl,” noting she deals with flu and COVID more than strep.
• The couple swaps stories about sick parenting and IV drips.

3. Body Image, Stylists, and Online Commentary

• Dani shares her anxiety about appearance at an upcoming gala, noting her stylist Alex received online backlash for dressing her in postpartum-unfriendly fits.

  “People were like, this stylist, she’s probably never had a baby… I’m like, yeah, she hasn’t.” (10:14, Dani)

• They joke about the levels of social media hate (“talking heads,” DMs, comments, media intervention), drawing a Grand Theft Auto analogy. (11:01–11:38)

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4. The Alix vs Alex Drama Explained

(Key Segment: 16:50–30:30)

Background

• Alex Cooper (of Call Her Daddy/Unwell Network) and Alex Earl (influencer, reality star, and entrepreneur) went from business partners to rivals after Earl left Unwell in Feb 2025.

Jordan’s Theory on the Split

• The real conflict is less girl vs girl and more about business backers:

  “The fight isn’t really Alex Cooper vs Alex Earl. It is Matt, Alex Cooper's husband, vs Alex Earl’s dad.” (17:17, Jordan)

• Jordan believes Alex Earl’s dad became involved post-signing and deemed the deal bad, sparking friction with Cooper’s camp.
• The drama escalated as Earl’s star rose, outshining Cooper, tilting the influencer power balance.
• The messy business split, particularly around Earl’s beverage brand Sips Margs and her new venture Real Actives, left both camps cryptically sniping online.

Dani Adds Context

• Timeline of tensioned exits, cryptic posts, and fan speculation.
• Allegations that Cooper posted embarrassing or aggressive content about Earl and refused to delete it.
• The “not a girl’s girl” charge:

  "Alex Cooper is just a business girl. She’s not a girl’s girl. She will cut your throat to get a deal done." (21:06, Dani)

Discussion of Girl Code vs Business Ethics

• They debate if the falling out is business-as-business or girl code violation.
• Dani argues social media audiences side with Alex Earl regardless of facts:

  “Even if Alex Earl was like, yeah, I signed a bad deal, but she wouldn’t let me out… people would be like, she’s such a brat for doing that.” (23:29, Dani)

• Contrasts with other influencer feuds:

  “People are so Team Taylor Frankie Paul.” (23:08, Dani)

• Jordan’s take:

  "If you do a deal and regret it, it’s easier to materialize the other party as the enemy... you’re mad at yourself." (22:26)

• On influencer business styles:

  “Alex Cooper is like, hey, I’m out for me. You should be out for you. This is a game we’re going to play. And I’m a savage.” (27:17, Jordan)

Notable Moments

• The shared publicist, Kate Bailey, is caught in the middle.
• Is this drama staged for PR? They mostly think not—both sides have too much at stake.
• Dani notes how drama can be real, but influencers will milk momentum for engagement.

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5. Q&A Fun & Personal Banter

(Selected Highlights: 36:00–48:00)

• Useless Talents

  • Jordan: Great balance; “You should have been, like, a professional skateboarder.” (36:25, Dani)
  • Dani: Knows Jewish prayer, wishes she knew Macarena lyrics.

• Toxic Traits

  • Dani: Eating too much peanut butter, impulse buying & returning designer bags, popping Advil for everything.
  • Jordan and Dani riff on trying to stay off unnecessary medications for longevity reasons.

• On Hate and Online Attention

  “I always know when I’m relevant because I’m getting hate.” (44:12, Dani)

  • Insecurity about not having enough haters/stalkers compared to friends in the industry.
  • Funny story: Dani gets a shirtless DM and jokes "still got it." (44:46)

• Bucket List Podcast Guests

  • Taylor Swift, her makeup artist, or stylist (45:43)
  • An exorcist
  • Theo Von (comedian, possible “real conversation” guest), Bradley Cooper (“his eyes are so blue it’s wrong”)
  • Scientists with “propulsion” and UFO connections (47:11)
  • Dani: “I could see myself being friends with Theo Von one day… I could see him being part of our ecosystem.” (47:54, Dani)

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6. Random Life, Animals, and Marriage Realness

(48:50–59:01)

• Jordan’s off to Lexington, Kentucky for a bachelor party—discussion about horse-racing, fairness of animal treatment, and PETA.
• Live question to ChatGPT about the world’s smartest animals prompts laughs, trivia, and animal empathy—octopuses, dolphins, pigs, parrots, etc. (“We eat them! And then we really kill them in pretty inhumane ways.” 54:03, Dani)
• Viral hoax story leads to a funny moment where Jordan thinks dolphins kidnapped a human (turns out to be fake news). (55:52)
• Heartfelt, goofy, and grounded end-of-episode marriage talk about keeping romance alive, appreciating small moments, and saying “I love you.”

  “It’s funny because the more that life goes on, the simpler the moments can be to create the flutter.” (58:20, Jordan) “I didn’t love you as much as I do now.” (58:41, Dani)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On controlling your medical narrative:
  “Don’t be sending them down rabbit holes… control the information flow, because otherwise this is going to become a circus.” (04:44, Dani)
• On influencer drama:
  “She will cut your throat to get a deal done.” (21:06, Dani — on Alex Cooper)
• Marriage sentimentality:
  “I feel it daily, just in the most random moments… the more that life goes on, the simpler the moments can be to create the flutter.” (58:20, Jordan)
• Instagram hate = relevance:
  “I always know when I’m relevant because I’m getting hate.” (44:12, Dani)

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Timestamps for Important Segments

• 01:06 – Dani describes postpartum anxiety and living “last day” moments
• 05:43 – MRI experience & medical humor
• 10:14 – Gala stylist receives postpartum backlash
• 16:50 – Start of detailed Alex Earl vs Alex Cooper segment
• 21:06 – Dani on Cooper’s “not a girls’ girl” reputation
• 23:08 – Social media “teams” in feuds; girl code vs business
• 36:00 – Q&A: useless talents & their hidden skills
• 41:29 – Dani’s (not-so-toxic) toxic traits
• 44:12 – Relevance, hate, and online attention
• 45:43 – Podcast guest dream list
• 53:16 – Animal intelligence discussion & fun facts
• 57:30 – Heartfelt marriage talk
• 58:20 – The “flutter” in marriage

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Tone, Style & Takeaways

True to De-Influenced’s ethos, the episode is honest, funny, and at times brutally self-aware. Dani is candid and quick-witted, Jordan analytical but warm—their banter brings levity to heavier topics. Listeners get an insider view of influencer drama, business ethics, and what happens behind the scenes, but the show’s core is marital love, parenting vulnerability, and why authenticity still matters in 2026.

Fans of pop culture, influencer tea, and #RealTalk will find this episode highly engaging—even those unfamiliar with the Alix/Alex saga will walk away with a humanizing take on internet fame and friendship.

Transcript

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Foreign.

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The following podcast is a Dear Media production.

[A]

Hello and welcome back to your favorite podcast, de Influenced.

[B]

How are you feeling? You're sore?

[A]

I'm sore. I did my first workout. It's so crazy how workouts really do, like, produce sound. Some type of endorphin or hormone or something. Because I cried in my workout.

[B]

Really?

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

You started bawling.

[A]

It's so funny how, like, this medication I'm on, the. The one that's, like, for postpartum, typically, like. Like, Lexapro. When I started Lexapro, like, I kind of was, like, numb to everything for a while until, like, my body got used to it. This doesn't, like, numb my emotions. Like, I still.

[B]

It brings them out.

[A]

No, I wouldn't say it brings them out. It definitely, like, I'm not, like, crying as much as I was. I was crying, like, probably five times a day, and I was like, I have to. I don't know if I've explained this on the podcast, but did I explain, like, how I felt like every day was my last?

[B]

Just tell them again.

[A]

Okay. So this postpartum, the weirdest thing was, like, I. I was living almost so much in the moment that it, like, hurt, because I truly thought that every single moment, like, I would, like, be making lunch for the kids, and I'm like, this is the last lunch I'll ever make. Like, so you're almost, like, so emotional about the moment that you can't appreciate the moment because you're so sad that the moment's gonna end. Yeah, I know it sounds so crazy, but apparently it's, like, very common. Like, it's. And it was like, I just. And you. You feel like today's your last day, so you have to soak up everything. And then, like, Stella would come out, and it makes it hard to, like, live life because then I, like, can't, like, you know, discipline my kids, or I can't, like, be like, think about the future. Because I'm like, yeah, whatever you want. Like, you want ice cream and popcorn and everything, right? It's my last day, so let's just do it all.

[B]

And it's your last day because you're gonna die.

[A]

No, it's like, you don't.

[B]

You just are, like, wanting to soak up every minute. Like, you don't want it to go.

[A]

Like, I. I truly felt like I. Like, these are my last days. I don't know why. Like, I almost felt like I was, like, 99 years old, and I've, like, lived my life. I'm like, this is the good times. And I'm like, it was so. It's so weird. So it's taken that away to where I'm like, okay, I'm not. I'm not 100 years old. Some life to live.

[B]

So was that a hormonal response slash imbalance? Because didn't Ally, your friend Ally, didn't she have feelings of homesickness?

[A]

So apparently something called search the D. But it's like when you breastfeed, you feel really homesick. And. Yeah, I guess I could maybe relate it to that same feeling of like, I miss you so much, but I'm with you.

[B]

Well, it's all like hormones being reproduced and added back and then creating these, like, very interesting emotions.

[A]

Yeah. I don't know.

[B]

But now you have a synthetic hormone and you're a little bit more balanced.

[A]

Yes, synthetic.

[B]

It is synthetic.

[A]

Yes. Fake.

[B]

Yeah, it's a fake hormone.

[A]

Yes. It's like a lab grown one.

[B]

It's lab grown. Lab grown hormones.

[A]

So I'm really just not. I'm a synthetic, Danny.

[B]

Yeah, you're synthetic, Danny. You also got an MRI today.

[A]

But. Sorry. Also with the zer zubay zirzuzu. I. I've been taking half. I never. I never took the full amount.

[B]

Well, you took two the first day.

[A]

It knocked me to, like, a different stratosphere.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

So I decided to come back to. I just.

[B]

And then you took one.

[A]

Yeah. Which is half.

[B]

Oh, okay. I thought you went down to, like, half a pill.

[A]

You're supposed to be taking two a day. I've only been taking one a day.

[B]

Yeah. So I'm only half synthetic because you didn't, like.

[A]

I forgot what made me drowsy.

[B]

Yeah. You do not like to be tired.

[A]

No, I'm more of an uppity kind of girl.

[B]

Yeah. Yeah, you.

[A]

You do like Red Bull.

[B]

You would, like. You would rather be sick than tired.

[A]

Yeah. Yeah, for sure. For sure. So, yeah. So then I got an mri. I'm just like. I'm all over the place. Only because I get. I decided I was gonna finally go get Botox to relax in my muscles. But, like, he's a neurologist, you know, so he's gotta check all the boxes. So he's like, let's just make sure you. Let's get you an mri.

[B]

And I'm like, it's funny. I was sitting Danny next to Danny when she was filling out the paperwork, and she was like, you got. You can't be telling them everything. Because she. She. It was like, have you felt Depressed, Depression. And she checked no. And I was like, danny, like, be honest. And you were like, listen. You, like, got mad and you were like, listen, don't be sending them down rabbit holes. You got to control the information flow, because otherwise this is going to become a circus.

[A]

It's so true, though. It's like you got to just kind of get what you want out of them. And so you got to choose the information. Because, like, if you want Botox in your shoulders to stop getting headaches, let's not go down this whole mental health path. Like, you know, I don't want to send them down some wild goose chase. It's like, just give them enough to where they know that I just am there for the Botox in my shoulders.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

So. But, you know, it was like, part of protocol to give me the MRI just to make sure. So that's why I got the mri. Not because there's. I. I don't think there's anything wrong, you know, but it's like. He was like, Mr. I was like, sure, yeah, yeah, why not? But the only thing about the MRI is I got one probably six years ago, maybe seven. And I was very, very claustrophobic in there. I almost panicked, you know. So then I heard that, you know, some people get Xanaxes, like, before they go in because they're. It, like, can make you freak out. So I didn't get the Xanax. I was like, too much, you know, too much, too many, too many things. So I just closed my eyes the entire time and it was fine. It was just so tempting sometimes to open, though. But I start. I opened while I was going in and that big machine just starts. It gets so close to your face and it's so. Have you ever gotten an mri?

[B]

No.

[A]

Oh. It's insane. Like, you kind of feel like you're being buried alive. Like.

[B]

Oh, yeah.

[A]

So the machine just like. It's this massive machine, probably millions and millions dollar worth. It's probably like millions of dollars worth. And just all this metal, like, spinning around. You kind of feel like you're in a spaceship and it just gets. It's so loud. It's like. Like literally like that. And it spins around you and it gets this close to your face, this big machine.

[B]

I'm, like, kind of uneasy just thinking about this.

[A]

Yeah, it's pretty crazy. I kind of felt like. It's kind of like what you would think would happen if you're being abducted by aliens.

[B]

When are they going to give you the results?

[A]

Wednesday. Two business days.

[B]

Huh.

[A]

So. So, yeah, I remember last time I was, like, really upset because I went and got my MRI by myself, and it just kind of shows, like, how much I've grown as a person.

[B]

Well, I said that I would go with you, and then you just bolted.

[A]

Well, I was running late.

[B]

Oh.

[A]

And I was gonna. So I actually ubered there because I, like, I was, like, really running late.

[B]

Okay. Well, I could have taken you.

[A]

That's okay. Yeah, it's okay. You can't be in there anyway.

[B]

Oh, really?

[A]

Yeah. I don't really know what's going on, but it's probably not good for you to be in the room.

[B]

Well, it's magnetic. Do you tell them about any metal you have in your body?

[A]

So, yes. That was the other thing that I kind of started. I forgot to tell them I had a tooth implant.

[B]

That's really dangerous.

[A]

But I think I. Surely they're not. Like, I know I have a screw in my gums, but surely it's not metal.

[B]

I think there's, like, stories of it getting, like, ripped out.

[A]

Really?

[B]

Did you feel any pain in your tooth?

[A]

No. I still got them all too.

[B]

Huh. As far as that, you got lucky.

[A]

I got lucky.

[B]

Oh, they're crooked now, though.

[A]

Are they?

[B]

Yeah. I was really sick this week.

[A]

I know.

[B]

And I never get sick.

[A]

I know.

[B]

It was horrible. I'm so sorry for all the times that you're sick. I have such a greater degree of empathy for you.

[A]

Wow. That means a lot to me.

[B]

No, I do. For sure.

[A]

It's so. It stinks, right?

[B]

It's horrible, man.

[A]

It's horrible. And you feel so guilty.

[B]

I feel. I felt pretty guilty. I felt thankful for you.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Said a lot of sentimental things.

[A]

That's cuz I was nice to you.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I'm not thankful for you Whenever I'm sick. You're mean to me sometimes. Anyway. Sorry.

[B]

But yeah, it was horrible. It. Strep throat.

[A]

Yours was pretty gnarly.

[B]

It was so bad, man.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

So, so bad. And I just, you know, I just. I. I felt like it was the end. I was like, man, I had a good run.

[A]

Yeah, it's. It's strep. Really is brutal.

[B]

It's brutal.

[A]

It was funny when I came in, you were getting an iv.

[B]

I was like, well, I was. I felt so guilty. And I was like, I don't want to leave you with four kids. I was like. So I literally texted the nurse and I was like, hey, can you knock this thing out? I was going to get a steroid shot. Whatever. I need to do, but steroid shots don't help.

[A]

So the thing about strep, it's actually the best sickness to get because there's an antibiotic for it with my flu that I usually get or Covid that I'm like, there's nothing. You just have to write it out. And that's what stinks so much about my sicknesses, usually. Because strep, there is a way to, like, fix it. Sinus infection, too, I believe.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

But I'm just a flu girl.

[B]

Yeah, you switch. Flu A, flu B, flu A, flu A.

[A]

And then sometimes we just throw a little Covid in there.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Why not just stir it up, actually. Yeah.

[B]

Strep for spring break.

[A]

Yeah. Strep was for Easter.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I had strip on Easter weekend. That was hard. But, yeah, thank. Hopefully. I've been praying that our kids still get sick from it. The doctor did say that typically babies, like, usually babies will get it.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

But I could see stellar shutting.

[B]

Who knows?

[A]

I rebuke strep in the name of Jesus in our household.

[B]

There we go. Love it. Preach, preach, girlfriend.

[A]

Oh, let's look at our script. I forgot I didn't even pick this up today. Oh, I'm going to a gala tonight. I'm excited. I feel bad.

[B]

Why?

[A]

For my stylist, Alex.

[B]

Oh.

[A]

So, you know, she hadn't seen me in a while because I haven't been going places, but she styled me for this event. And a lot of the dresses were really tight on my tummy, which I kind of look like. I'm probably, like, I don't know, 20 weeks pregnant right now. And just from postpartum. And she got a lot of heat in my. In my comments and stuff. People were like, this stylist, she's probably never had a baby. I'm like, yeah, she hasn't. So.

[B]

So, like, that's rude.

[A]

It's just rude. Yeah.

[B]

How much hate are we talking, though?

[A]

She had a talking. She had some talking heads.

[B]

That's. That's good. That's a good degree.

[A]

Talking heads is like when they take your video and then green screen it. Level three. Yeah, I'd say. I mean, if there's five levels. Okay, level three.

[B]

Level one is comments.

[A]

Comments. Yeah.

[B]

Level two is DMS comments.

[A]

DMs.

[B]

Level three is resharing on your stories. Yeah.

[A]

With comments. Like with it or talking heads.

[B]

I would put all that in the same category. Level four is probably media gets involved.

[A]

Level five is, like, banned. You're gone.

[B]

Deplatformed. Yeah. There's very few that make it to level five? Yeah, it's kind of like. Well, you're. You probably never played. It's like Grand Theft Auto when you get the stars, and it gets, like, progressively harder to survive the more stars you get.

[A]

I don't know.

[B]

It's like in level one, like, the bike cops come after you. Level two, crime. If you, like, keep, like, breaking into cars.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

The cops come after you. And level three, it's like the FBI comes out to you. And at level four, the army comes after you.

[A]

Yikes.

[B]

Yeah. It's a fun game.

[A]

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[A]

Oh, yeah, Reverse Earl.

[B]

I had, you know that I had the exact same. Did we talk about this last week? I think it was over text. Oh, it's over text. I had the exact same theory that Claudia and I didn't listen to that.

[A]

That episode. Tell me.

[B]

So my theory is that what happened is I think that Alex Cooper is a very business minded individual.

[A]

Right.

[B]

Okay. I think that Alex Earl is like business, but like more of like a girl's, like hangout.

[A]

Girls, girl.

[B]

So my theory is that Alex Earl signed with Unwell, which was a great move for Alex Cooper. And Alex Earl was like, oh, cool. Like, I'll do that. Then what I think happened was that Alex Earl's dad started managing her. Okay. And he was like, wait, like, this was a terrible deal. Why did you sign this? Yada, yada, yada. And so the fight isn't really Alex Cooper versus Alex Earle. It is Matt, Alex Cooper's husband. Yeah. Versus Alex Earl's dad. And, and now the girls are probably fighting. But I think it was like kind of the, the, the, the, the husbands or the, the males that are backing these people trying to kind of be like, wait, who's, who's actually bringing more value or creating more value here. And then I think what genuinely started to happen was Alex Earl started eclipsing Alex Cooper. And I think Alex Cooper is very competitive. And so then that girl to girl, blogger to blogger dynamic started being created. And then I think the relationship severed. But I would bet that Alex Cooper still has hold on some of Alex Earl's revenue, whether it's, it's. I think it's over the Sips Margs company, if I had to guess, because Alex Cooper has like kind of a vertical now in beverage distribution because of her Unwell brand. So it had been easy for her to be like, okay, like, let's launch this for you. Because that was like the whole Unwell brand. The whole Unwell brand is like party girls, right? You know, that kind of edgy girl that's like, you know, whatever. And so I think that that's why Alex Earle probably followed through on her contract of promoting SIPs, but then in the background was working on her own thing, which is the real Actives, which I don't think Alex Cooper has a part of. And now Alex Earl feels really powerful because that was hugely successful. So then when Alex Cooper talks about her, she's like, whatever, I'm untouchable.

[A]

Okay. So the notes say Alex's podcast was dropped or left. Alex left the unwell network in February 2025. Alex Cooper said Alex Earl kept full ownership, implying it wasn't a messy firing. Alex Earl later later hinted the situation was a hot mess behind the scenes, and fans started to, like, kind of suspect that they had tension. So through 2025 and 2026, both sides posted like, cryptic tick tocks and reposts by each other. Earl reposted content criticizing Alex. One of them was comparing her to a grim reaper. But nobody obviously has said anything publicly. There's been like, a lot of celebrities, like Brianna Chicken Fry is like, kind of like, you know, made some videos about it saying Alex Cooper's a mean girl. Everybody's really on Alex Earl's side. I think that. So Alex Cooper finally publicly called Alex Earl out on Tick Tock, accusing her of being passive aggressive, creating all this fake drama, avoiding just being direct. And so Alex's Alex Earl said that she's going to kind of. She said okay on it. Like she's gonna make a video kind of telling her side of things, but she still hasn't. A lot of people think it's staged because you see the video that was filmed horizontally at. When she found out when, like af the morning after Coachella, they filmed Alex Earl reacting to Alex Cooper's video, and it was filmed horizontally.

[B]

But couldn't have that been for her reality TV show?

[A]

Yeah, I think that. I think what happens is I this drama. Here's what happens. I think whenever you have a TV show, slash, you're famous is and you're like, involved in drama. And I think this happens on a lot of reality TV shows. I think the drama is real. Like, I do think that a lot of people are like, this is staged, this is fake. But I think the drama is real. I think that Alex Cooper is just a business girl. She's not a girl's girl. She will cut your throat to get a deal done. I think she will post content like. Like, she tries to get people to say things, clip, whatever. And I think she got something embarrassing of Alex Earle or there's this TikTok of Alex Earl or Cooper and Alex Earle that I think was deleted. And it's Alex Cooper, like, has a grip on Alex Earle's head and is, like, banging it against the table. And it says something like, derogatory or provocative. And I can't remember what it was, but, like, I think I've heard that Alex Earl was really upset about that, but, like, Cooper wouldn't delete it or something. Something like that. And yeah, I'm sure there's like, some really unfair deal that happened with the podcast. And I think Cooper is just, like, not. She's not in it for, like, the friendships and the good times. She's in it for, like, the dollar.

[B]

But to be clear, this is. This is. Sorry, I missed this part of my theory. I think that the deal that Alex Cooper gave to Alex Earl for the signing onto the Unwell Network was probably a pretty straightforward deal. I think what happened was as Alex Earl blew up beyond Unwell, her and her dad started regretting signing the deal. And when you do a deal and then you regret it, it's easier to kind of like, materialize the other party as the enemy, 100%. And you do that because, like, at the end of the day, you're mad at yourself, right, for doing it.

[A]

But then you're also like, cooper, you were my friend and, like, you won't let me out of this deal.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

Like, we're supposed to be friends, like,

[B]

supporting each other 100%.

[A]

But, like, let me out of this. And Cooper's like, no, dude, like, you signed the deal.

[B]

It's business. And she's straight business. And so, like, I don't think Alex Cooper necessarily did anything wrong.

[A]

I guess we're gonna. I do think that Alex Earl will reveal what happened.

[B]

I don't know. Because I think that if she revealed the actual facts, I don't think they're damning enough for Alex Cooper to be honest.

[A]

But the thing is, people are going to be like. But I think even if it was business, people are so Alex Earl right now. It's the same thing. If you look at Slow Mo, what's her name, Not Jesse Taylor Taylor, Frankie Paul. If you see what she is posting lately and you read the comments, people are so. For her. They are like, no one is upset with her. Like, like, if you read her DM and maybe she's deleting deleting them. But, like, nobody is. They are so Team Taylor, Frankie, Paul. That's how I feel. Like Alex right now is. And she's like, even if Alex Earl was like, yeah, I signed a bad deal, but she. But she wouldn't let me out. And she's made it sound like we were friends. People would be like, oh, that's. She's so, like, such a brat for doing that.

[B]

Well, it'd be split. It'd be. You'd have those girls who don't care about business. And they're like, no, this is girl code. And then you would have people that are like, I don't understand. Like, this is on you. It's just business.

[A]

But I think more people would be like, this is girl code. And especially because, like, they acted like they were friends. It's like, why people love Jake Shane so much, because Jake Shane was like, interviewed by. I think it was Rolling Stone. And he told the interviewer, like, yeah, if I interview anyone and they say something that they regret, like, I 100 will always cut it out. Like, if I have celebrities that I'm interviewing. And the Rolling Stone interviewer was like, really? Like, but isn't that what journalism is all about, is capturing that, like, one slip up or that one thing that they say? And he was like, I don't care. Like, I will always. He's like, it doesn't matter to me. Like, I would rather, you know, I don't want to, like, mess with people's mental health and I want to give them that moment and give them that peace. And, like, that's why people love him. Because it's like, beyond business.

[B]

Yeah. And.

[A]

And I think Earl would go.

[B]

It's just funny because, like, no one's reading the Rolling Stone. It's just.

[A]

It was a podcast.

[B]

I know, but no one's like, no one's listening to the Rolling Stone. So he, like, side point. That journalist is like, trying to, like, vie for, like, actual journalism. And like, no, it's like, no one cares.

[A]

Right, Exactly. But. But yeah, just so it shows, like, people are. Are human. Like, you know, and I. So I think that's probably what happened. But.

[B]

And I think that if, even if there's a 50, 50 divide on, like, you just signed a deal, like, this is business. I think that Alex Cooper probably has enough enemies that would also come out of the woodwork that would then pile on to support Alex Earl 100. Whereas, like, I don't think that if Alex Cooper was winning the battle, a lot of people are Going to come and pile on Alex Earl.

[A]

Yeah. I mean, at the end of the

[B]

day, she seems generally pretty liked.

[A]

Cooper is just like a really good businesswoman.

[B]

Yeah, she's.

[A]

She's a really good interviewer. I'm sorry if you like people that think that she's not. She is, she's. Yeah, she's really good and she's savage and like.

[B]

Yeah, it's all style. Like, I mean, there's very shrewd people like that in business, and they are successful. There's also people who do business not like that who are successful.

[A]

It's hard to find that in between.

[B]

Yeah, I mean, it's like I've been

[A]

asked a lot of times, like, I'm like, paying for a service and people are like, tag me and share this. Like, please, it's my work or whatever, and I don't mind doing that. But, like, it's also a whole. It's like a whole nother thing for me to, like, put on my list of things to do and worry about. But sometimes I'm so worried about the relationship that I'm like, I'll just do whatever you say because I'm so scared of, like, upsetting people. But I do feel like sometimes I, I do want to have stricter boundaries where I'm like, hey, I'm sorry. Like, this was like a service I paid for. Like, I really don't feel like working today, you know, and sharing what I, you know. But it's hard because I also want to be nice and help people, you know, so it's kind of like you have to find that in between and of, like, do what I mean.

[B]

No, I do know what you mean. We. Yeah, I mean, we've. We've. I think that we have one style of doing business and we know others that have a more Alex Cooper style. And I just, I feel like it's a very similar situation that I've been pulling a lot of my inspiration from, where it's like, ooh. Like, it's not like there's like one that's right and one that's wrong. Like, they both have pros and cons. I feel like our style, like, we're maybe not always getting the best, best, best deal. Right. So we're, we're conceding in the spirit of a longer term relationship. Whereas I think other people will get as much out of the. As they can out of every negotiation, every deal, but then no one wants to work with them. Yeah, but both can be successful. It just depends on, like, your Personality and your style. But I think Alex Cooper is like, hey, I'm out for me. You should be out for you. This is a game we're going to play. And I'm a savage.

[A]

I'm a savage. Classy bougie.

[B]

But. So, yeah. The only thing that's really interesting about this whole thing that made me feel like it was manufactured. I don't think it's manufactured anymore was that they both have Kate Bailey.

[A]

I don't think that matters, but it's

[B]

an awkward position for her.

[A]

I think it makes it, like, more. No, for sure. But I think it makes it more.

[B]

Kate Bailey is her publicist. They're both their publicists, and she's, like, the best in the game.

[A]

Yeah. But I think that that's what makes it, like. That's why they have so much tension.

[B]

I also don't think it's contrived because I don't think that this is good for Alex Earl's business right now, because her real actives was going up into the right, and I think that this will.

[A]

I feel like it's, like, so good for her business right now. Like, I am. People that are Earl girls are like, I want to support Alex Earl.

[B]

Yeah. But it's. It's very distracting to the launch of her business, in my opinion.

[A]

In h. I don't know.

[B]

I mean, it's. It's not going to hurt her business.

[A]

I think it helps.

[B]

Yeah. Espe. If there's a campaign that she comes up with somehow tying her product to this beef, then I'll say it's contrived. I'll be like, kate Bailey, you're a genius. All hail your storytelling, your pr. But yeah.

[A]

Yeah. So anyway, I feel like what I was gonna say about reality tv and, like, I don't think that any of this is fake. I think that when you're on reality TV or, you know, you're playing the game on social media, the drama isn't fake. You just latch onto the drama because you know that it's going to help in the end of the day. So it's like you try to just kind of squeeze every single bit of momentum out of it, so it's not fake. But then, like, you're doing things for the drama, you know, and it's like you're things that you probably wouldn't do if the cameras weren't on. You're like, well, now the cameras are on. Like, let's make a story out of it.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

You kind of ride the wave with the drama. Like, I could have done that multiple times probably in my career. What? I. I could have been like, oh, I saw this one video or. And I've done it a few times where, like, I made a, you know, a response back or whatever, and I probably shouldn't have, you know, and then you could just, like, go back and forth and back and forth and just like. And then it becomes this, like, thing.

[B]

It's tough, dude. Opening up that can of worms. You better be ready for a fight.

[A]

Sometimes it's fun. If it's, like, not that big of a deal.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Like the, like, attacking Alex, like, my stylist, I was like, I made a video addressing it last night. So I posted that video. She got a lot of hate. And I was like, okay, let's talk about it. Because it's, like, not that big of a deal. It's not like a character assassination.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

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[A]

Yeah. So you're leaving me this weekend.

[B]

I'm going to a bachelor party.

[A]

You seem so tired.

[B]

No, my contact is. I slept in them and I forgot to change them.

[A]

Do that.

[B]

I don't know.

[A]

It's.

[B]

It's silly. Every time I do it, I regret it.

[A]

Why don't you get Lasik? It's time. It takes 15 minutes.

[B]

Does it really?

[A]

It takes 15 minutes?

[B]

But then, don't I have to wear patches over my eyes for, like, two days?

[A]

Two weeks? No. No.

[B]

Yeah, it might be time.

[A]

It's so worth it. It's the best thing I ever did.

[B]

I'm sure. Like, it's. The prices have probably come down, too.

[A]

I got mine for free. 99.

[B]

Really?

[A]

So the guy in. The Big Guy in Dallas, that does it. Key Whitman. Doctor.

[B]

Oh, yeah. Key Whitman.

[A]

He's like. He's got the big building on the side of the highway. Yeah. So we're buds. So, like, he was like, oh, this could be some Lasik.

[B]

Let me give you sight.

[A]

Let me give you sight. So, yeah, I don't know how much it is, but I did a long time ago. Best thing I ever did.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Oh, we have a Q A. Oh, let's do that.

[B]

That's fun.

[A]

Okay, so today we have a Q A, which is so fun because we haven't done a Q A in a very long time.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Do you want something deep or something light?

[B]

Some light.

[A]

Okay. What is your most useless talent? Oh, he has a really good balance.

[B]

You've always said that. That's so sweet.

[A]

Yeah. Dave, I love you so much. Like, your balance is impeccable. I've never seen someone balance like you. It's kind of crazy. He, like, you should have been, like, a professional skateboarder or, like, a BMX biker. Like, that was your sport. You just didn't know. Nobody pushed you. You weren't a football player. You shouldn't have done tennis, nothing like that. Like, you should have been, like, a professional skier or surfer. Surfer. I could see that.

[B]

Yeah. Yeah.

[A]

He's really good balancing, huh? Yeah.

[B]

When did you first notice this? Like, what's. What activity have I done where you've noticed my balance?

[A]

Probably skiing.

[B]

Okay, that's fair, y'.

[A]

All. He's, like, so good. At skiing. It's so weird because I don't really picture you as athletic.

[B]

No, you. But you. You typically are very forthcoming with people that I'm not athletic.

[A]

Well, it was the day that I knew people. It was the day that I threw a football further than you that I

[B]

was like, no, I. Listen, footballs are hard.

[A]

Football and basketball is really. Football and basketball is like, it's really painful for Jordan.

[B]

No, no, no basketball, no tennis.

[A]

You're not good at that either. But babe, you are so good. Like skateboarding.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Like, you should have been like a motocross champion. But I'm glad that you're not because it's a little scary.

[B]

It's kind of a. Interesting crowd, I think.

[A]

You know why I think you're so good at balance is you're so loosey goosey. You have to be like very, like, relaxed to be balanced.

[B]

I'm like, it's just so weird that I wouldn't be a great dancer. I know, Lucy. I know. It's so weird.

[A]

Yeah, but. Yeah, so he has very good balance. And I don't know if it's useless,

[B]

but that's so sweet.

[A]

What's my most useless talent? I know I'm not very talented.

[B]

No, you're very talented.

[A]

No, it's okay. Like, if I had to do a talent show, I would have nothing.

[B]

She. You do know the. What's the Jewish prayer?

[A]

But it comes in handy, actually.

[B]

True, true. She's able to very quickly relate to Jewish people. Yeah.

[A]

Because all my friends are Jewish growing up.

[B]

That's true. Yeah, it has come in handy. But you do know that prayer. And that does. It's not useless. It's come in handy.

[A]

But the only thing I really wish I knew that I didn't is the Macarena.

[B]

It's a very easy dance. We could.

[A]

No, I know the dance. I want to learn the words.

[B]

Oh, why?

[A]

Because I just think it would be so cool if the Macarena comes on and I'm like,

[B]

Yeah, I would say that's. That's pretty useless. Yeah, that's pretty useless.

[A]

But it would be cool. So anyway,

[B]

I'm trying to think. There's nothing that you do that I feel like, oh, that's useless.

[A]

I can cross that in my skin myself. Is it. Wait, am I cross eyed?

[B]

I would say maybe. Well, no, that. That could have come in handy too. I'm going to say country western swing

[A]

dancing, but yeah, I haven't practiced it in a long time, so I'm probably not as good.

[B]

There's A lot of camps that you went to that were probably useless.

[A]

Acting camp. I went to newspaper camp,

[B]

typing camp,

[A]

typing camp, computer camp, computer breakdown camp. That was where we took apart the computers and created things. Yeah, I went to. Oh, I went to comedy camp. I really thought I was. I really thought that I was, like, going to have my own show that was kind of like Amanda Bind. Sl. That's so Raven. But really, Amanda Bind's like, the m. Amanda Bind show was like my. What do you call it?

[B]

Muse.

[A]

Totally. Like, I was like, I am destined for that.

[B]

You kind of did it.

[A]

I know. Kind of in my own way.

[B]

In your own way.

[A]

But that, like, I wanted to be Amanda Bynes.

[B]

Right.

[A]

She was just everything. So, yeah, I went to comedy camp and improv camp. Did that one, too. I think my mom just didn't want to hang out with me in the summers. I think that's what happened because, like, I would just, like, and my camps would overlap a lot of times. So I'd be gone from, like, the morning was basketball camp, and then improv camp was later on.

[B]

Do you want a deep one or a light one?

[A]

Light one first. Okay, you give me a deep one. Whatever.

[B]

What's your toxic trait?

[A]

Oh, I have so many.

[B]

Why are you talking to yourself like that? I rebuke that.

[A]

No, but that's, like, funny toxic traits.

[B]

Okay, okay. Like, I. I rebuke you talking down to yourself.

[A]

Okay, but no, it's, like, funny toxic.

[B]

Okay, okay. As long as you think they're funny.

[A]

I had a really good one that. Oh, my gosh. I mean, I eat a lot of peanut butter. A lot of peanut butter. Like, sometimes I just will go in there and just get a scoop, like, all the time, really. But, yeah, my toxic trait is peanut butter and buying really expensive bags and then returning them the next day.

[B]

That is so true.

[A]

I do that a lot. And then I often. If anything is wrong, I'll take Advil.

[B]

That is so, like, my eye could hurt.

[A]

Like, and I'll be like, I'm popping some to Mad Bill. That's a toxic trait. I'm getting off my Zyrtec.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

So I'm like, pretty soon I'm really just going to be on Lexapro.

[B]

That's big.

[A]

I know.

[B]

What. What made you. Was there. Was it our conversation that inspired this?

[A]

No, I've. I've never. I've always. So there's one. I. There's one study that shows, like, a correlation. There's a correlation between, like, two things that lead to an early death. And that's the amount of prescriptions you're on.

[B]

Really?

[A]

Yeah. We've talked about this on the podcast, but the one correlation is if the people that take the most medications typically die earlier. But like that kind of makes sense because maybe they're, you know, they have diabetes, so they're taking more medications. And so I don't know if they're. They didn't specify like mental health medications. But still, I think the goal in life is to be on as little least amount of medications as possible. Like goy, like even when she, she's like 95 years old, like she was like taking like one medication. My dad is very healthy. Every time he's getting, you know, he goes to the doctor, they're like, you look great. My dad like never has taken medications. So me and my mom are a little screwed. But you know, I've been trying to get off of anything that I like, I wouldn't say depend on, but like, yeah, I got off of my Wellbutrin. I'm not on that anymore. The Zuve is going to end because it's only a 14 day cycle. I'm not on amoxicillin anymore for mainstrep throat, so I'm really. We'll just be on Lex Pro.

[B]

Wow. You're going to be all natural.

[A]

Almost.

[B]

Almost. I mean, you think, you think you'll ever try to get off the Lex?

[A]

Probably. I don't know, maybe when I'm like, my kids are older. It's kind of hard right now. I'm needed.

[B]

Do you read your Reddit feeds?

[A]

No.

[B]

We kind of, we kind of made it.

[A]

Like I always say, like, yeah, I think I broke that vow a couple times, but because I have looked at it before.

[B]

Ooh, brave.

[A]

Yeah. You know, but like what I found and it's like, I don't know. For some reason when I get he. It doesn't hurt me as much these days.

[B]

Sometimes when she feels like she's not getting enough hate, she actually says I want to stir the pot because I want more of it. Okay, so.

[A]

So there's like, I just like, no,

[B]

here's what she says actually. She's like, I'm irrelevant. No one hates me anymore.

[A]

I always know when I'm relevant because I'm getting hate. I.

[B]

And then there's other times where she'll find that other bloggers have more haters than her. And she's like, why does, why does she have so many.

[A]

Or she was stalker. Well, she has a stalker. Why don't I have a stalker.

[B]

Or, like, one of our friends, like, Janelle will come to her and be like, oh, my gosh, I have so many haters. And you're like, nothing. I got triple the amount.

[A]

Remember yesterday when I got that picture from that guy?

[B]

Yeah. She got. She got a guy. Like, a guy who was, like, shirtless. Who sent her a shirtless pic. Gross, dude. Gross, dude.

[A]

And I was like. I was like, still got it. I was like, I still got it. Yeah, guys are sending me.

[B]

It was a nice little confidence br for.

[A]

I was like, babe, look, this guy sent me s. Shopping. And I was like, your girl still got it.

[B]

Oh, man.

[A]

No. It's so crazy. Like, people, I think, assume that I have, like, really, really crazy people, like, in my DMS or. People are so normal to me these days.

[B]

I agree. I. I say the same thing.

[A]

I'm like, I don't. It's. I don't have. People are like, are you scared for your safety? I'm like, never.

[B]

I feel like our friends that are, like, have less followers and less haters on the Internet have crazier hater stories than we do.

[A]

I don't have anything like, yeah, that crazy. See, I'm. See I'm irrelevant. And you talk about taking Tylenol when I'm pregnant again.

[B]

Who are your bucket list podcast guests?

[A]

Oh, that's a good question. Obviously. Taylor Swift forever. Taylor Swift makeup artists. Taylor Swift stylist. That'd be interesting.

[B]

Taylor Swift's assistant.

[A]

Assistant. Okay. So moving on. My dream. Oh, gosh. I know I have somebody who would be here as well, I think an exorcist. We could probably. We could probably make that happen.

[B]

Yeah, we can make that happen.

[A]

Okay, that. That's a good one. So that's kind of hard to trump.

[B]

Yeah, no, that'd be awesome. Or someone. No, that's it. That's it. That's my. That's my dream.

[A]

Well, just who else were you gonna say?

[B]

Well, there's always all these scientists that are missing right now, and they were, like, all connected to, like, propulsion and, like, a lot of crazy stuff.

[A]

What's propulsion again?

[B]

It's like the, like, the propulsion system that, like, drives a aircraft. So, like, propulsion specialists are the ones that are trying to figure out how UFOs float? Yeah, apparently. So A lot of those have disappeared, and they were connected to, like, a lot of, like, nuclear energy.

[A]

Huh.

[B]

And, like, 10 of them.

[A]

Bye. Bye.

[B]

Well, like, half of them disappeared, and then there were a couple that, like, were just assassinated. So I would want to Know someone. Someone who knows a little bit about that.

[A]

I know mine, mine would be Theo. On.

[B]

But see that. Here's the thing is that. Do you actually want to meet these people?

[A]

Yeah. See the Yovon, I would actually want to meet like Taylor Swift. I don't know if I really want to meet her. Like, I would be okay without meeting her. Theo Vaughn. I don't expect

[B]

much.

[A]

Much. Like, I like, I just expect like a real conversation. If he was uncomfortable, if he was awkward, if he was a little, like maybe even got a little snippy or if he was really funny or whatever he was, I would be like, yeah, I would expect that.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I don't expect like this like perfect person. And that's why I. Yeah. Like, I could see myself being friends with the Avon one day. Not like buddies where we're going, like hanging out because obviously I'm married. That would be weird. But like, I could see him being a part of our ecosystem one day.

[B]

Yeah, for sure. For sure.

[A]

I'd like to interview him. I'd like to interview Bradley Cooper.

[B]

You met him?

[A]

Yeah, there's something about him. Something about him.

[B]

Like a. Like a mystery or.

[A]

Yeah, he just. First of all, his eyes are so blue that it's wrong.

[B]

Are they bluer than Summit size?

[A]

Yeah, it's like not normal. The color of his eyes. He's. He's. You can't trust him.

[B]

You said that about Summit. You were like, I'm worried his eyes are too blue, that people aren't going to trust him.

[A]

There's something about people with really, really blue eyes.

[B]

Blonde hair, blue eyes.

[A]

No, you don't have to have blonde hair.

[B]

Well, I'm just saying that's when your

[A]

eyes are crystal blue.

[B]

It's like they're like a night walker or something.

[A]

Yeah, it's. And they, they have special privileges.

[B]

Oh, yeah.

[A]

That other people don't have.

[B]

They look. Smacks. Doors just open for them.

[A]

Yeah. And that's. It's just like when you. It's like girls that have been pretty their whole lives.

[B]

Yeah. They've.

[A]

There's. They didn't get like the full training

[B]

of life because they haven't had to.

[A]

They haven't had to. They had. They got to skip a few stages, a few levels, so they didn't get that development. Same thing with people with real crystal blue eyes.

[B]

That's true.

[A]

Gotta watch out for them.

[B]

It's very, very true.

[A]

Yeah. So I'd like to see him in his eyes again. And then, and then. I don't know, it's probably my two.

[B]

Well, I better get going.

[A]

Where you going?

[B]

The airport.

[A]

But actually, like, where are you going?

[B]

Actually, I'm going to Lexington, Kentucky.

[A]

You gonna go ride some horses?

[B]

I'm gonna go watch some horses race for a bachelor party.

[A]

I'm gonna call PETA.

[B]

Honestly. Yeah, they're there. They're at all the races.

[A]

Are they there?

[B]

I've seen them, like two or three. They're, like, protesting outside.

[A]

Really? Wow.

[B]

They're just there. I mean, everyone's like, listen, I don't own any of these horses, so.

[A]

Well, I am going to own a horse one day, but I'm going to be really nice to it, so you'll

[B]

have to come up. Well, listen, these. These horses, just to be super clear, are very well taken care of.

[A]

Yeah. They.

[B]

They live in nicer stables than our houses.

[A]

I agree.

[B]

They are worth, like, hundreds of thousands of dollars to these owners, so.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Yeah. I mean, they just. And they love to run. They love to run. The only time that they have to get put down is when they injure themselves.

[A]

But that's just like any animal.

[B]

Yeah. It's not like if they lose a race, they're like, you know, boom. It's more like if they injure themselves, it's like there's no way to heal that.

[A]

Well. Or. I'm sure they don't have to. Like, they could give it to someone and rehabilitate the horse.

[B]

I think if they. If they can. I think the owners typically do that because you can still sell the horse.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

You know, but it's like. But if. If the. If the. When you're running, I think. I don't know this for sure, but when a horse is running at that speed and they break a leg or something, I think it's so.

[A]

Okay. Now I'm like, no, I'm sad.

[B]

Yeah, it's really dangerous for the jockeys, too. Have you ever seen a jockey in real life?

[A]

No. Are they little?

[B]

Oh, my gosh, they're so little. But they're like. They're, like, jacked.

[A]

Really? Why do they have to be so strong?

[B]

I mean, they're dealing with a very powerful animal. They're just very fit, like low body fat. Because they care about their weight because the. The lighter that they are.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

You know, and they're all. They all seem Spanish, which I don't. You know, maybe that's just a thing.

[A]

Why don't they have female jockeys?

[B]

I don't know. It's very dangerous. Very, very dangerous.

[A]

So you're saying, like, Females couldn't do it.

[B]

No, I'm not saying that. I'm just saying, like, I think it's. It's kind of like, why are there not more female dirt bikers? Or maybe there are. Or why are there not more female skateboarders? You know, X Games people. Yeah, but, yeah, it's like, it's. It's very dangerous because, you know, when you're. When you're coming around these turns, like, they're like. They're, like, butting up against each other, these horses.

[A]

It's like you fall. You're kind of dead.

[B]

Yeah. And you know how, like, you want a horse because they're really smart and you wanted to, like, see inside your soul when you're. When you're betting on these races. You know, like, if a horse lost the race before it goes into, like, the spread on the bet because it's like, psychologically, they could be down or, like, in their own heads that they lost the last race. Like, they know when they lose or win these races, there's, like, a confidence element to the horses, too, you know?

[A]

Wow.

[B]

It's. It's. It's a very interesting.

[A]

I would like to know, and Maybe I'll ask ChatGPT after. This is, like, the ranking of, like, the most smart animal. It's like the top 10 smartest animals.

[B]

Let's do that right now. Yeah, that's a really interesting question.

[A]

Like, who should we. Well, I know octopus octopi might be the. Actually, it's. They're actually called octopuses. I remember.

[B]

Okay, so octopuses might be the smartest animals ranked. Dolphins are up there.

[A]

Really?

[B]

Okay, here's the rankings.

[A]

That is so cool to me, like, that dolphins are smart. That is so cool. It makes me want one.

[B]

Here's the rankings. And I don't know if this is an order.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

Chimpanzees.

[A]

What? Oh, man, I would love to have a chimp, too. I love them.

[B]

They turn on you.

[A]

They're. They're kind of mean.

[B]

I bet they're strong cats.

[A]

They have thumbs.

[B]

Cats. Smart.

[A]

Really? That makes me want to have a cat, too.

[B]

Pigs.

[A]

What? Yeah, we eat them.

[B]

No, I know. And then we. We really kill them in pretty inhumane ways. So if they're smart, it's really sad.

[A]

Oh, that.

[B]

Oh, I read on Twitter that they found out that lobsters feel pain.

[A]

Oh, no.

[B]

And we've been boiling them alive.

[A]

Oh, no, I can't.

[B]

It's horrible.

[A]

PETA. Save the lobsters, please.

[B]

The lobsters. I was really. Pigeons are smart.

[A]

What? Crows that makes me feel like they. They poop on us on purpose.

[B]

You know, elephants. We've. We've known.

[A]

Wait, why are not. Why are octopuses not on there?

[B]

Oh, they are. Sorry. We just already knew that they should

[A]

be the number one.

[B]

Yeah. Dog. Dogs. Observant dogs.

[A]

What kind of dogs? Because some dogs are.

[B]

The picture here is a golden retriever.

[A]

Really?

[B]

Huh.

[A]

No. That makes me so sad.

[B]

Yeah. So, I mean, there's some smart animals out there.

[A]

Pigs.

[B]

Thank. Thank goodness we're at the top of the food chain.

[A]

Parrots. Rats. Squirrels.

[B]

Squirrels. I don't. I don't buy it. I'm going to be honest.

[A]

I mean, what's the smartest animal in the world? This is like my chat. GPT. Chimpanzees.

[B]

Yeah. Chimps.

[A]

What's the second smartest animal in the world? I'm sorry, I have to know because I can't. Dolphins.

[B]

Wasn't there a story recently that a dolphin kidnapped a human?

[A]

What? They passed the mirror test. They recognized themselves in the mirror.

[B]

Did. Is this the thing?

[A]

Recognizes themselves in the mirror?

[B]

I think a dolphin kidnapped a human. Dangerous then. And we tr. They pay us or we have to pay to swim with them. Dolphin kidnapped human.

[A]

Well, didn't.

[B]

Oh, sorry. It's completely fake. The viral story claiming a Florida man was kidnapped by dolphins to build an underwater city is completely fake. I fell for it. I only. I. I skinned past you because I didn't really care, but I did fall for it. I want to be honest, you know, babe, I think I gotta really go fast because it's 1:19 and if I left right now, I would be at the airport at. At 2:01, which is really dangerous for me because my flight's at 2:50, so.

[A]

And you're checking a bag, so you better get to it.

[B]

I better get to it. And I know this is part of your master plan because you're going to miss me too much.

[A]

Babe, I'm going to see you in, like, not tomorrow, but the next day.

[B]

Why does it feel like forever?

[A]

I know. To me, we've been getting along so great lately, haven't we? I know.

[B]

Have you noticed that?

[A]

It's because we just love each other so much.

[B]

There's multiple times in the past, like five days where I've been like, I just love you. And we go to bed saying, I love you. I love you so much.

[A]

I know.

[B]

And we both mean it. It's not like, performative.

[A]

Babe, I've never ever said I love you. And I didn't mean it.

[B]

Yeah. Me neither. Okay, maybe like, twice. But really, just. I just.

[A]

Yeah, really. I've never.

[B]

I wanted to feel it, but I was mad at you.

[A]

Oh, I even love you when I'm mad at you.

[B]

Oh, I love you, too, when I'm mad at you. But I wanted to feel it in that moment. I wanted that little flutter back in my heart, and it was feeling hard.

[A]

Isn't it funny how you really can keep the flutter alive?

[B]

Yeah, for sure.

[A]

After eight years of marriage.

[B]

But I feel it in very random moments. Do you feel in random moments?

[A]

Yeah, but I would say I feel it daily.

[B]

No, I feel it daily. Just in the most random moments. Like, it's like, oh, we're about to watch this show. And I'm like, glad I get to do that with her, you know?

[A]

Oh, so sweet.

[B]

And I would say that it's funny because the more that life goes on, the simpler the moments can be to create the flutter.

[A]

I know.

[B]

Like, we think about when we first got married. We were, like, going to, like, Paris and Cabo, and I was like, this is so fun.

[A]

Yeah. But it's like, I didn't love you as much as I do now.

[B]

No, I know. And now it's like, I mean, I would love you if we went to Cabo or I would love you if we just went to Yaya football.

[A]

Same, you know, Same. Damn.

[B]

It's like, what a blessing.

[A]

Praise Jesus.

[B]

Well, you remember that.

[A]

Did you see that? Realize that you have the Lord. You with the plant.

[B]

No, but I. I'll watch it on the plane. I really gotta go.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

Bye. Love you, too. Bye. Please note that this episode may contain paid endorsements and advertisements for products and services. Individuals on the show may have a direct or indirect financial interest in products or services referred to in this episode.

[B]

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