The Internet Might Be Completely Fake

Summary

Podcast Summary: De-Influenced with Dani + Jordan

Episode: "The Internet Might Be Completely Fake"

Date: May 28, 2026
Hosts: Dani & Jordan
Podcast Network: Dear Media

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Main Theme / Purpose

In this episode, Dani and Jordan take an unfiltered deep dive into the blurred boundaries between online reality and manipulation, discussing how much of the internet—and particularly influencer culture—may be staged, algorithm-driven, or even coordinated by agencies and institutions. Their honest conversation weaves through pop culture (the evolving legacies of female influencers, viral moments, and feuds), personal updates, conspiracy theories, the power of media, faith, and how algorithmic and artificial content can distort collective perception.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

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1. Life Pace, Postpartum Realness, & Boundaries

Timestamps: 00:10 - 09:00

• Dani and Jordan reflect on the fast-moving nature of their lives versus their parents’ more leisurely pace.
  • Jordan: “I feel like so much happens in our seven days... my parents would say that's the equivalent of like six months of our lives.” (00:42)
• Dani expresses guilt about not making the most of their lake house before their upcoming move to Nashville and general exhaustion three months postpartum.
  • Dani: “I kind of just want to, like, take naps... I feel like... I've been going 100 miles per hour and I just want to chill.” (02:13)
• The couple openly discusses physical and emotional aspects of postpartum life, including Dani’s return of her period, anxiety, and feelings of boundary-setting.
  • Jordan: “I was so proud of you for, like, setting your boundaries...” (03:39)
  • They share candid (and humorous) talk about postpartum body changes (discussing prolapse, ovarian cysts) and how these impact their relationship.

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2. Influencer Evolution: Alex Cooper, Alex Earle, & Female Online Personas

Timestamps: 09:00 - 19:40

• The hosts dig into the recent news of Alex Cooper’s pregnancy, reactions from male pastors on social media, and broader implications for influencer culture.
  • Jordan: “Did she leave an entire generation of women behind?” (11:42)
  • Dani: “I’ve always thought her advice was horrible... I just think it's... not really like, for me.” (12:08)
• They discuss whether Cooper and similar figures have a responsibility to address (or apologize for) past messaging when their brands pivot, especially after capitalizing on “unwell” or “party girl” content.
  • Jordan: “If she built this entire empire off self deprecation and negativity of other women while she gets to enjoy the fruits of like, having a family... I’d be very angry.” (14:48)
• The evolution from reckless, party-oriented branding to business-minded adulthood is highlighted through both Cooper and Alex Earle.
  • Dani: “I actually think it's cool that these women do evolve... at least they're growing and changing.” (15:44)
• Comparative mentions of rising personalities like Jake Shane, and the difference in perceived genuineness and relatability.

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3. Pop Culture Theories: Feuds, Reality TV Casting, and Internet Trump Cards

Timestamps: 19:40 - 29:09

• The “ultimate trump card” move of revealing a pregnancy during a feud:
  • Jordan: “When you pull out that pregnancy card... ultimate trump card.” (26:23)
  • Dani: “If anyone is going after a pregnant woman, like, you're sick in the head.” (26:54)
• Jordan speculates on Taylor Frankie Paul and Bachelorette rumors, suggesting that pop culture moments are often premeditated marketing strategies.
  • Jordan: “She understands that whether you hate me or you love me, I'm getting your attention.” (27:52)

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4. Personal Updates: The Veneers Story

Timestamps: 29:09 - 35:52

• Dani describes her experience getting new veneers, the difference between ‘no prep’ and traditional veneers, and why she went for a natural look.
  • Dani: “Her big thing is you can go really white with the color if you go natural with the shape.” (29:47)
• Jordan and Dani discuss societal perceptions of cosmetic procedures, referencing influencers and public reactions.

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5. Algorithmic Manipulation & The Fake Internet

Timestamps: 40:25 - 66:41 (Core Section: 56:27 - 66:41)

• Jordan explains how agencies, brands, and even governments use “clipping agencies” to artificially amplify content, manufacture viral fame, and influence public perception.
  • Jordan: "You literally can push really any message that you want on a people group." (56:42)
• Personal anecdote: Jordan meets a clipping agency owner who confirms global clients, including governments, orchestrate media campaigns to shape narratives.
  • Jordan: “The craziest contract they ever got was the government of a country... and they had a very specific brief of how they wanted the American minds to respond to the war effort...” (63:16)
• Dani and Jordan realize some influencer megafame is self-fulfilling due to artificial promotion—a cycle that benefits those with capital, creating "artificial fame."
  • Danny: "That makes so much sense because sometimes our views are way higher than a celebrity... but everyone is talking about the celebrity." (60:08)
• They explore the “dead internet” theory: much of the web’s “organic” chatter is actually algorithmic or bot-driven.
  • Jordan: “No opinion on the internet is actually real because the algorithms are so in control of what we see... all this mass manipulation campaign.” (64:56)
  • Jordan: “If I was another government, the way that I would really attack America is... by deconstructing their family structures, creating division... And then look at us today. We all just hate each other. We fight.” (66:41)

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6. Faith, Theology, and the Supernatural: Aliens, Angels, and Hidden Histories

Timestamps: 40:25 - 56:27

• Jordan recounts reading "The Unseen Realm," which frames the Bible—especially Genesis and the Old Testament—as a supernatural drama involving fallen angels, Nephilim (giants), and cosmic battles.
  • Dani: “Jordan thinks that aliens are demons. Why?” (40:44)
  • Jordan: “If you read Genesis under... Michael Heiser... there's like, a history... Adam and Eve fall, and then there’s like, fallen angels—Satan being the main one...” (41:11)
• They debate whether ancient myths of “pale, bearded men” teaching civilization could actually refer to the Nephilim/fallen angels passing forbidden knowledge to humans.
  • Jordan: “What Genesis alludes to is that spiritual beings, angels, or fallen angels mated with humans... the offspring called the Nephilim.” (48:15)
• Jordan links these reflections to media manipulation and modern perception.
  • “It really is like a crazy historical text... it’s prophetic... and it adds up.” (46:34–46:53)
• Spielberg and Disclosure: Speculation over how movies sometimes anticipate—or even create—future “disclosure” events involving UFOs.
  • Jordan: "There's been so much that have come out in these files that directly are accurate to what (Spielberg) portrayed in that movie..." (55:46)

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7. Influence, Responsibility, and Raising Kids in a Media-Saturated World

Timestamps: 66:41 - 75:53

• Jordan urges “consume less internet,” describing the dangers of algorithmic discipleship:
  • “If you think about it, our kids that are on social media are being discipled by algorithms.” (68:39)
• The couple discusses efforts to ground their children in reality—less media, more outdoors, chores, and activities that foster resilience and connection to life cycles (“get chickens,” horseback riding).
  • Dani: “I want my kids to have activities that get them outside... and caring for an animal.” (70:04)
• Jordan reflects on Dani’s groundedness and why she’s able to authentically handle influence:
  • “I think your purpose is to just be you... you are a really great imager of God’s characteristics...” (73:36)
  • Dani: “There’s more purpose to being, like, image bearers.” (75:47)

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8. Should We Game the System? Meta-Discussion on Clipping, Virality, and Authenticity

Timestamps: 75:53 - End

• In a meta twist, they joke about—then semi-seriously weigh—using clipping agencies themselves to boost virality, knowing the game is rigged but questioning whether (and how) to participate.
  • Jordan: “Can I ask you something? Do you think that I should get you on a clipping service? ...this is my strategy.” (77:14)
  • Dani: “It was authentic and it was real... that’s the first time I’ve ever gone viral.” (78:03)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On "the fake internet":
  • Jordan: “No opinion on the internet is actually real because the algorithms are so in control of what we see...” (64:56)
• On influencer responsibility:
  • Dani: “I’ve always thought her advice was horrible... I just think it's... not really like, for me.” (12:08)
  • Jordan: “If she built this entire empire off self deprecation... while she gets to enjoy the fruits of like, having a family... I’d be very angry.” (14:48)
• On how the internet can be manipulated:
  • Jordan: “You literally can push really any message that you want on a people group.” (56:42)
  • Danny: "That makes so much sense because sometimes our views are way higher than a celebrity... but everyone is talking about the celebrity." (60:08)
• Regarding faith and the unseen world:
  • Jordan: "If you think about it, our kids that are on social media are being discipled by algorithms." (68:39)
  • Jordan: “I think your purpose is to just be you... you are a really great imager of God’s characteristics...” (73:36)

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Section Timestamps Overview

• (00:10-09:00) – Personal and postpartum honesty
• (09:00-19:40) – Influencer evolution & responsibility (Cooper, Earle, Shane)
• (19:40-29:09) – Pop culture feuds and “trump cards”
• (29:09-35:52) – Cosmetic update: veneers story
• (40:25-66:41) – Algorithms, media manipulation, and "the dead internet"
• (66:41-75:53) – Faith, online influence, and parenting
• (75:53-end) – Clipping, virality, and debates on authenticity

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Tone & Style

Unscripted, conversational, and irreverently honest. Dani and Jordan are at once introspective, self-mocking, and deeply curious, blending pop culture analysis with moments of faith, philosophical musing, and playful banter.

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For Listeners – Why This Episode Matters

If you’ve ever scrolled your feed and wondered what’s real, or questioned the churn of influencer culture and viral moments, this episode will resonate. Dani and Jordan expose the mechanisms behind what “goes viral,” how our perceptions are shaped, and why authenticity matters—while also pondering the weirdness of the internet and the underlying responsibilities of wielding influence in a deceptive digital world. It’s hilarious, real, and packed with insights and “deep tracks” you won’t find in a typical influencer podcast.

Transcript

[Jordan]

Foreign. The following podcast is a Dear Media Production.

[Danny]

Hello, and welcome back to your favorite podcast, D Influence.

[Jordan]

Has it been two weeks since we've recorded this?

[Danny]

It's been a while.

[Jordan]

It's. Life moves so fast and slow at the same time. Like, realistically, it was probably two weeks ago. It feels like it's been two months.

[Danny]

Yeah, it really has.

[Jordan]

Do you think it's, like, the way that we manage our lives that make it feel like so much happens? Like, I feel like so much happens in our seven days, but if, like, we call our parents. Nah, your parents are pretty crazy.

[Danny]

My parents are, like, in a different country every day.

[Jordan]

But, like, my parents, if I told them how much happened in one week of our lives, they'd be like, that's the equivalent of, like, six months of our lives.

[Danny]

Yeah, but I feel like we like it that way.

[Jordan]

No, that's what I'm asking.

[Danny]

We go through waves. We go through waves of, like, okay, now there's not much going on. Like, I feel, you know, today or this weekend is, like, technically the start of summer, really. But I felt really guilty not going to the lake house every weekend. Have you felt that?

[Jordan]

No.

[Danny]

Oh, okay.

[Jordan]

Because you feel like we should slow down is what you're saying.

[Danny]

I feel like we are about to move to Nashville, and I feel like we need to use this lake house.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Danny]

And I feel guilty that we haven't been.

[Jordan]

Oh, interesting.

[Danny]

I know.

[Jordan]

Yeah. I don't feel guilty about that. I. I always, like, wonder, are we moving too fast? Are we moving too slow? Actually, I never wonder. Yeah, I do. My problem is that there are certain weeks, like, one week out of every month where I can, like, work out when I want to. There's nothing on my calendar.

[Danny]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

Like, my nervous system is pretty regulated, and I'm always, like, in those weeks, I feel like I'm doing something wrong.

[Danny]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

Because we've conditioned ourselves so much to be, like, fully just, like, torqued, you know?

[Danny]

I know I'm kind of going through, like, one of those weeks where I just kind of want to, like, veg, and I'm feeling. I am feeling a little guilty about that. Like, I don't even really want to go to the lake house this weekend.

[Jordan]

Really.

[Danny]

I kind of just want to, like, take naps. And I'm kind of feeling tired.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Danny]

You know, and. And I feel like the past, like, three or four weeks with this move and everything, with the house and everything, with, like, trying to figure. I feel like I've been going 100 miles per hour and I just want to chill.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Danny]

No, I felt so bad that I didn't go to that thing with you last night.

[Jordan]

It would have been great to have you there.

[Danny]

Oh, really?

[Jordan]

Yeah, it would have been. It would have been nice. But it's okay.

[Danny]

You were bummed, too.

[Jordan]

No, I wasn't bummed. I was so proud of you for, like, setting your boundaries, and it's just tough. Like, it's a different mode for me when I have to work a room solo.

[Danny]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

You know, like, it's kind of like whenever you, like, we're committed to a dinner, and you're like, hey, I get sick, and then I have to go, and I'm like, okay, I got to carry this.

[Danny]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

And it's just everyone's with their spouse, so I got to, like, it's. I got it. It's a different gear, you know?

[Danny]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

But I did great.

[Danny]

I'm sorry.

[Jordan]

I did great. I made so many friends that, like, it's like it was a Christian influencer event.

[Danny]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

Which means the entire city of Nashville was in Dallas for this party. It was like, everyone I met was like, yeah, I'm in Franklin. Yeah, I'm in Leapers Fork. And I was like, of course you are.

[Danny]

Yeah. So you made new friends for us.

[Jordan]

Yeah, I did. You know, I do think you're probably tired because you started your period.

[Danny]

Oh, thank you for telling the world.

[Jordan]

Well, here's. Here's the thing. Danny and I. So Danny's three months postpartum.

[Danny]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

You're cleared to. You know.

[Danny]

Yeah. That was six weeks.

[Jordan]

Six weeks. So we've had this game of cat and mouse going, because it's like. Usually it's like I'm breastfeeding or like, this, and she's running out of ammo. And let me tell you, the ammo she threw at me this week. The ammo she threw at me this week was. She was like, I, of course, engage or attempt to engage. And she's like, oh, I started my period. And I'm like, oh, okay. All right. Well, it's a temporary thing. And then she's like, actually, I don't think I started my period. I actually think my bladder's falling out of my vajayjay. And I was like, oh, no, no,

[Danny]

it's a real thing. What's it called? I don't think it's. It's actually happening to me. I kind of. Okay, it's called. Is. There's the p. Like, plast.

[Jordan]

Plasty.

[Danny]

Um, Prolapse.

[Jordan]

Prolapse.

[Danny]

I Said, I think I'm having prolapse.

[Jordan]

So I'm not saying it was a turnoff, but it was definitely a deterrent to any type of engagement. But then you were like, I'm not having prolapse. I'm just on my period. So what is happening?

[Danny]

Do we have to talk about it here?

[Jordan]

Well, I mean, there was a whole day where I was, like, literally walking out the door to take Stratton to school. I was panicking, and she was panicking.

[Danny]

Okay.

[Jordan]

And I was like, I'm not gonna

[Danny]

get into the details, but, yeah, I did feel like it was very early to start my cycle again, like, at three months, which I did start.

[Jordan]

But she was hungry. She was cranky.

[Danny]

No. And I'm really not, like, in the best mood right now either. I'm sorry. I'm just being honest. It's not mood. I just, like.

[Jordan]

No, I feel it.

[Danny]

I feel a little anxiety again.

[Jordan]

Yeah, no, it's all. This happens once a month.

[Danny]

I know, I know. But. Yeah. So I just thought it was early, but I guess it's not early, but it's because I'm still breastfeeding. So I kind of thought, like, oh, that would come later on, since I'm still breastfeeding. And it didn't. It decided to show up now. So I thought, surely there's something else going on. So then I Wikipedia it, and I was. Or not Wikipedia. I, like, Googled it. And I'm like, I'm having prolapse, but I'm not.

[Jordan]

And so then I walked out the door, and the entire car ride to Stratton School, I was like, what? What organ falls out?

[Danny]

It happens. It's very common, actually.

[Jordan]

But what. What is it? Your.

[Danny]

It could be your bladder falling out or your uterus. Sometimes you can. What happens is the muscles around your uterus, like, get so stretched out that, like, your uterus just, like, literally falls out. Yeah, well, I told her it's, like, protruding out.

[Jordan]

I told her last night.

[Danny]

I said, for a lot of women,

[Jordan]

I said, I know you're running out of cards, but I was like, that one will keep me away for a solid three weeks. It's like when you told me about your ovarian cysts that have teeth, babe,

[Danny]

they don't have that one.

[Jordan]

That one kept me away for a day.

[Danny]

There are cysts that do have teeth. It's not that mine do.

[Jordan]

Yeah. I mean, but then you showed me some that do.

[Danny]

Yeah. Because I just thought it was interesting.

[Jordan]

They're like little troll dolls. It's the craziest thing. Don't. What are they called?

[Danny]

Like, dormal.

[Jordan]

Oh, don't. Google is really crazy. It's crazy. They. They literally have those little troll dolls that have the hair and the teeth. Like, that's what it. It's like a. It's like a mix between a troll dawn and Labubu. But the side is demonic. It's the size of an edamame pod.

[Danny]

I also don't know any girls that, like, don't have sex cysts. Like, every girl has, like, ovarian cysts. Even if they're, like, this big or, like.

[Jordan]

Honestly, this is a great idea. Sex ed. Fifth grade. Is that when they show it to you?

[Danny]

Yeah. Then they.

[Jordan]

Yeah, fifth grade. No, they don't. Mine was middle school.

[Danny]

Fifth grade. I remember because I skipped out that day.

[Jordan]

That seems crazy early.

[Danny]

No, they do.

[Jordan]

That seems. No, I don't think it's fifth grade.

[Danny]

Sixth grade.

[Jordan]

Yeah, you're probably right.

[Danny]

Yeah. Anyway, I remember I skipped that day. It wasn't middle school. It's elementary school.

[Jordan]

I forgot what they said in that class of why you shouldn't have premarital sex. But, like, all you really need to do is pull up dormant.

[Danny]

No, I think you should show them, like, syphilis.

[Jordan]

Oh, they do that. I remember that they do that. But, like, I'm telling you, this is more powerful than syphilis. No, I think so. It's possible that it's like, that herpes and stuff. Showing those cysts is the equivalent of putting a chastity belt on a female because, no, no male will ever want to approach that cave.

[Danny]

Yeah, but you don't ever, like, see it. You won't know until you die.

[Jordan]

Yeah, I'm just saying. Anyway. Anyway, I don't have teeth, so you're on your. You're on your period. Your bladder is intact.

[Danny]

Yeah, I think we're okay.

[Jordan]

We're okay.

[Danny]

I took a mirror to it. It's really difficult. And ruined the clear.

[Jordan]

I know. When I walked by you in the shower, I. I put my hands to my face because I was like, I don't want to ruin this. I don't want to ruin this. And then I would just speed past the shower.

[Danny]

Did you Google it? What happens?

[Jordan]

No, absolutely not.

[Danny]

Yeah, I wouldn't.

[Jordan]

No, absolutely not. I don't.

[Danny]

Speaking of all of that, Alex Cooper's pregnant.

[Jordan]

I have so many thoughts on this. I've actually been texting some people on the divi team about this.

[Danny]

Like, if you're not posting about Alex Cooper's Pregnancy as a. A male pastor criticizing her. Then like, who are you? Because so many male pastors are like resharing posts of Alex Cooper being like, she's lied to you. It's like a male pastor thing right now.

[Jordan]

Yeah. Then I won't.

[Danny]

I won't.

[Jordan]

Share my thoughts.

[Danny]

No. Share your thoughts, please. Everybody wants to know.

[Jordan]

Well, I mean, I. I do think she.

[Danny]

It's just so weird to me. I don't know why. I just feel like it's so weird when, like, males post about females.

[Jordan]

I know. That's what I'm saying. I would never post about it, but.

[Danny]

But you can talk about it? Yeah. I'm asking you.

[Jordan]

Well, okay, so. So my only experience with this whole like, call her daddy thing was mostly exposed from, like, people that I was around at Divi at the time. So, like early 20s somethings, mid 20s somethings. And not everyone, like, most of them are moms now. But I remember at her peak, Alex Cooper was like, oh, I'm so unwell. Like, it was like the whole party scene and it was like. I mean, the caller daddy era was pretty wild, right? I've heard clips, you know, and it wasn't it, I don't know the whole story arc, but wasn't it about like one night stands? Yeah, kind of like all that having multiple partners. And then I remember. So this is what's crazy. Three years ago, maybe two years ago, I asked those girls that followed call her daddy and liked Alex Cooper at her peak. And I was like, do you guys think that she's just selling you this idea of kind of like self deprecating? Like, you know, men suck. Like, you know, like, just live it up, have fun. Like, do you guys think that that's going to be sustainable? And even two years ago, a bunch of them were like, yeah, we're kind of like getting over it because we don't want to be unwell, we don't want to be unhappy. We want to focus on our health and all these things. And it was just like they were already kind of turning against it. And that's when I started taking the under on Alex Cooper's empire. Because my bet was that you've kind of convinced this certain part of Gen Z, or what are we, millennials, Certain part of millennials, that this is what life looks like and you're kind of like shoving it down their throats while you grow and become famous. And it just felt like it was all kind of like losing steam. And now it's a total curveball that she's like, married, having kids, presumably happy.

[Danny]

Right.

[Jordan]

A multimillionaire. But, like, did the question I asked last week was like, do you feel like she left an entire generation of women behind?

[Danny]

Did you ask that to the team or what did they say?

[Jordan]

They said that they felt like she had moved on from that and evolved after she went from the Sophia co host to like this version of Color Daddy.

[Danny]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

And so she was like. But they also said, thank goodness.

[Danny]

I mean, I, I love that she evolved.

[Jordan]

Like, yeah, she, she evolved, but she never. I go, but don't you feel like she should have, like, acknowledged or apologized?

[Danny]

I think she maybe did on one podcast. Kind of say, was it her say, like, she kind of had it wrong. I could be wrong about that. But I think that there was like, some recognition, but not like a lot of recognition. And I mean, yeah, I definitely think that she evolved and didn't give, like, the best. To be honest. It's really hard for me to speak on this topic because I've never really been someone that listened to that, listened to that podcast. I've always thought it was just like, crap. Always thought her advice was horrible. Like, I just think it's. It's not really like, for me. So I don't, I don't really understand the mentality of, like, how she's actually influencing some of these women to actually go out and have one night stands. And. And I mean, you just kind of have to have like zero morals.

[Jordan]

Well, I think the whole idea behind it was like, guys do this to us all the time, which is kind of what she capitalized on. Like, guys have a whole game of, like, going up and like, you know, getting girls and like, hooking up with them. And this was like the first podcast that came out that like, switched the power dynamics. Right.

[Danny]

And so just a mess.

[Jordan]

It's a mess. It's like, it's like fighting.

[Danny]

How do you get out of that?

[Jordan]

It's like fighting fire with fire. But, like, at the time, you know, I think that there were a lot of females really struggling in dating, so probably wanted a husband and wanted, you know, like a family, but were like, so taken advantage of. And so this was like, no, like, we're going to take advantage of better

[Danny]

because Alex Cooper was saying, hey, you can live this way too. And they're like, okay, great, then I will as well.

[Jordan]

Yeah, no, it was like, it was like normalizing just like how they were feeling.

[Danny]

Just doing what you want to do in the moment.

[Jordan]

Yes. And so it was kind of like a let's fire with fire. Which I totally get that because any. Any, like, thing I hear fly on the wall about, like, like, dating scenes right now is that it's a pretty. It's a pretty big mess.

[Danny]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

Like, men are not committing. You know, if they're Christian guys, they're just kind of like. They're kind of like, doing the Jesus jukes and like, just leading girls on for forever.

[Danny]

And.

[Jordan]

And if they're not, like, believers, I've never heard that. And if they're not believers, then they're just, like, literally, like, hooking up with a ton of girls at the same time. And so I understand wanting to fight back, but if. If she acknowledged her sins, I mean,

[Danny]

I don't think it was like a big, like, whole podcast about it, but

[Jordan]

even just one is fine with me. But, like, I just. What I was asking them is, like, did she ever go back and acknowledge it? Because I would be very angry if she built this entire empire off of the self deprecation and, like, negativity of other women while she gets to enjoy the fruits of, like, having a family. Does that make sense?

[Danny]

Well, okay, so to be honest, I. I kind of feel the same way sometimes about Alex Earle's brand. Like, it always confused me how her whole brand is about partying, but then she's like, turns into this, like, businesswoman.

[Jordan]

Yeah, no, she doesn't do that anymore, though.

[Danny]

Party. So she evolved.

[Jordan]

Yeah, she saw. I don't even think, like, I think I've seen her talk about, like, not wanting to drink as much.

[Danny]

Okay, yes.

[Jordan]

But then she has that Marg brand. And so what happens is, like, when you build your brand on this party, then you can't, like, you can't get out of it. Like, there's been so many, like, DJs that have talked about this, but I

[Danny]

actually think it's cool that these women do evolve. Like, I actually think it's cool that they can, like, look back and be like, oh, yeah, that Mark's brand was like a different era. And now I'm in, like, the marriage era or the, you know, so at least they're growing and changing. And it's like you kind of can't fault them for, like, they started these businesses when they were really young, they gained all this influence. They didn't know what to do with all of it.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Danny]

And they're kind of just, like, going with the flow and then they grow older. Like, I think about some of the stuff that I thought, you know, 10, five, even five years ago. Having four kids versus one kid. Like, I'm a totally different type of mom, you know?

[Jordan]

No, I think everyone's got evolved.

[Danny]

Their evolution is like more extreme.

[Jordan]

I'm actually super happy that she has evolved, that she's like married and.

[Danny]

Because I think it proves to people like, hey, she, like the whole unwell or the whole. What you call it?

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Danny]

Was it. Oh, well, yeah, Unwell Daddy. The whole like, daddy gang. It didn't really work. It doesn't work for long.

[Jordan]

I don't, I don't know any numbers about her drink, but I, I, Yeah, I, I think the movement was a trend and it was a, it was an era and it was something that died out. And so now she does have to rebuild.

[Danny]

I'm telling you, both those girls are not partying all night. Like, they are businesswomen. They are showing up like 9 o' clock in the morning, ready to film, like 100%. You can't party like that and have a successful business and success. That's what I. This is what I always wondered with Alex Earl. So she's like up partying 24 7, but then she's getting up these tiktoks and these vlogs and like getting them and they're like, edited well and they're on time and they're. And even though the brand is like, oh, we're hungover in bed, I'm like, it's. You can't be that hungover. Like, you can't be like that. And then I met Alex and she was like, really great in person. And she was like. We were at this place in the Hamptons and it was like a day party, but she was like, totally.

[Jordan]

Surf Lodge.

[Danny]

Surf Lodge.

[Jordan]

Danny made it to Surf Lodge.

[Danny]

I don't even know what that is, and I don't really care.

[Jordan]

No, it's. It, it's like the place to be.

[Danny]

Oh, yeah.

[Jordan]

Yeah. There were definitely, like, I never been.

[Danny]

Oh, yeah. It was definitely like a vibe.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Danny]

But yeah, she was like, not. Would you go back crazy? I mean, I don't really not. Yeah, I mean, something Navy was there, which was kind of cool.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Danny]

Yeah. I go back actually.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Danny]

And do a little. I. I don't really vibe with that type of music. I'd much rather go to like a country concert.

[Jordan]

Yeah, that makes sense.

[Danny]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

But she was nice.

[Danny]

So nice.

[Jordan]

So, so here's my point.

[Danny]

And put together and like, just not who you would think she is.

[Jordan]

From the outside, looking at her, I think that it's totally good with me that she evolves, and I have no problem with that. I'm super happy for the Alexes in their evolutions. My question to the Divi team was, does this leave a bad taste in Yalls mouth?

[Danny]

What did they say? Probably not.

[Jordan]

They said. Well, what they said is that most of their friends hate Alex Cooper. Oh, yeah. Like, they can't stand her or just don't care anymore. And what they said was that they believe that most of her success and what's keeping her relevant is just getting these celebrities on the podcast.

[Danny]

Yeah, for sure.

[Jordan]

But what they said was, like, the new IT person is this Jake Shane guy.

[Danny]

Oh, yeah, for sure.

[Jordan]

And they were like. Because now Jake Shane is getting, like, all these celebrities on his podcast.

[Danny]

He's more honest and he's more like. He's more vulnerable, and he, like, can get them to open up. And Alex Cooper does feel, like, a little calculated. And I agree. Alex Cooper is not someone that I would follow for, like, lifestyle content. Like, I don't think that we'd be friends. I don't feel like she's a girl's girl. I don't feel like she would, like, like Jake Shane. I feel like if. If you were in an interview with him and you were like, hey, like, I'm really feeling uncomfortable. Like, he would listen to you and, like, feel for you. And Alex Cooper, I feel like, would stab you in the back. Yeah, no, and that's. And I feel like we want to

[Jordan]

relate with, like, she abandoned woman and.

[Danny]

But that's the thing is, like, we want to open up to Jake because we trust him, but you don't trust Cooper. And I feel that same with. With Alex Earl. I feel like I could trust her. Like, I feel like she's like a girl's girl. Like, she has all these sisters and this family around, and she just feels, like, supported and. And I just. Yeah, no, that's great. There are a lot of people going to Jake Shane's podcast. Today's episode is brought to you by cotton, which is perfect because we're both. We cotton today. I feel like making sure you're wearing and buying cotton clothing is such an underrated thing about getting dressed. But once it starts getting hot outside, I suddenly care so much more about fabrics.

[Jordan]

Oh, my gosh. Absolutely. Especially in Texas and soon to be Tennessee. We can't really fake it through the summer in the wrong clothes. Especially me. You know why?

[Danny]

Why?

[Jordan]

I get rashes.

[Danny]

You are very sensitive.

[Jordan]

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[Danny]

You need very. No, literally, like, something very, very breathable. Breathable.

[Jordan]

And somehow I always know if it's going to make me break out in a rash by just touching it.

[Danny]

I know I do. I become the person checking tags now, especially with spring and summer clothes. I always look for cotton because it just feels lighter and more comfortable to me.

[Jordan]

I've actually started doing that with my basics, too. Also, do you hear about, like, this giant pushback on, like, polyester and other clothes?

[Danny]

No. Yeah. It's, like, not bringing down people's sperm count. No. Especially for your skin because it's so sensitive. Your cotton basics have helped you a ton.

[Jordan]

Yeah, I don't really break out in, like, hives, but it's definitely. What did they call it?

[Danny]

Allergies?

[Jordan]

No, they call it eczema, psoriasis.

[Danny]

Psoriasis.

[Jordan]

Something like that. But 100%. I can always tell a difference when I'm wearing a cotton tee versus something else. My skin doesn't really feel itchy or sensitive after. And also, I think it's one of those things where you don't have to choose between comfort and style anymore. You know, some of my favorite pieces are just, like, super basic cotton.

[Danny]

No, babe, trust me, I know. I see your rotation of your T shirts. I get so mad at him. I'm like, at least she's a different color. But I love that cotton works year round, too. During spring especially, the weather changes so much. It's changing, like, every five seconds. So layering is everything.

[Jordan]

So true. It's freezing in the morning. It's hot by lunch, somehow windy again at dinner. I mean, what's going on?

[Danny]

No, Texas weather is honestly just bipolar like that.

[Jordan]

It really is.

[Danny]

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[Jordan]

You know my favorite sheets? 100% cotton.

[Danny]

Really? I know, I know. But breathable bedding makes such a difference. Especially if you sleep hot like I do, or cold.

[Jordan]

I mean, they still keep me cool. While not making you sweat all night.

[Danny]

Exactly. And I love that cotton is natural, too. It just feels better knowing that fabrics touching our skin all day are natural fibers.

[Jordan]

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[Danny]

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[Jordan]

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[Danny]

No, we really are.

[Jordan]

Next thing you know, we'll be discussing thread counts at parties.

[Danny]

No, honestly, we're not far off.

[Jordan]

But genuinely, whether it's clothes, denim, bedding, towels. Cotton is just one of those things that makes everyday life feel a little bit more comfortable.

[Danny]

Exactly. Cotton really is the the fabric of our lives.

[Jordan]

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[Danny]

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[Jordan]

podcast the other thing I was going to say, and then we can move on from Alice Cooper is one of the best trump cards I've ever seen in Internet history. The Alex and Alex feud was going and no one knew how it was going to shake out. And I feel like Alex Cooper was losing the culture.

[Danny]

I think she is still. Yeah, but.

[Jordan]

But listen, when you pull out that pregnancy card.

[Danny]

Oh, so good.

[Jordan]

Because now if ultimate trump card. Ultimate trump card.

[Danny]

If Alex Earl goes after her now, it's like such a bad vibe. Like, don't go after a pregnant woman. But if Alex Earl comes out and says, hey, listen, there was beef, there's drama. I'm not gonna go after her because she's pregnant, and I just think that's wrong. Then, like, Alex Uber comes out as queen again. Alex Earl, I mean, sorry, Alex Earl. Yeah. Comes out as queen again. It's like, wow. Like, such a respectful queen.

[Jordan]

I mean, that trump card was. Yeah, she's good. She's good at the Internet.

[Danny]

If anyone is going after a pregnant woman, like, you're sick in the head. Sorry.

[Jordan]

They still come after you.

[Danny]

I know. And that's why you're sick in your head. If you came after me pregnant.

[Jordan]

True.

[Danny]

It's so hard being pregnant. And you add these, like, it's just like, gives me such medic.

[Jordan]

One other pop culture thing that I've been theorizing on. So I called the Unwell short two years ago. The other thing I've been calling is that Taylor Frankie Paul's season of the Bachelorette. I did say that is going to come out. And I don't know if you guys, they're slow dripping it to us.

[Danny]

It's going to come out this summer.

[Jordan]

Well, that was a rumor.

[Danny]

Oh, it was.

[Jordan]

I thought it was quote unquote rumor. Oh, they leaked. They leaked it. Someone leaked it to one of the head gossip person people around the Bachelor that only talks about the Bachelor.

[Danny]

So not true.

[Jordan]

I'm telling you, all of this is dripping and this season is going to happen.

[Danny]

I agree with you. But like, she is going through it.

[Jordan]

I believe you. And I'm not saying that I know how much of this was calculated and how much wasn't, but I think she is very smart and I think she can take a lot of heat and she understands. She's like Jake Paul. She understands that whether you hate me or you love me, I'm getting your attention.

[Danny]

But, babe, I agree that Hulu would do that so that they can get more views and make more money, but I don't think that Taylor has anything to do with this. That girl is suffering. I'm telling you, she's suffering.

[Jordan]

No, I know, I know. But I'm just saying this season of the Bachelorette is going to air and we will never know the full story of what was marketing and what was real life. That's all I'm saying. I'm not saying. I'm not saying she faked child abuse.

[Danny]

Let me tell you, I would watch it, Danny.

[Jordan]

Everyone in the. It will. I'm calling it now. It will be the most dramatic of the season. Season of the basketball.

[Danny]

And they'll bring Chris Harrison back.

[Jordan]

No, that's what I said that in our group chat. I said the only thing I would have done differently. Oh, you said that Is bring Chris Harrison back.

[Danny]

Oh, it's so good.

[Jordan]

No, I sent in. In your group text. The only. The only text I ever really send is when I'm right about Internet culture conspiracy theories.

[Danny]

Yeah, that's funny.

[Jordan]

It's great marketing.

[Danny]

So great.

[Jordan]

Great marketing.

[Danny]

So we got back. You want to ask about my teeth first?

[Jordan]

Danny, tell us about your teeth. They look so different.

[Danny]

Okay, but. Are you being sarcastic? No, I think they look really good.

[Jordan]

Here's my thing. You've always taken really good care of your teeth.

[Danny]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

Really good care.

[Danny]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

If I was on a trip for two weeks and then I came back, I don't think I would have known that you got new teeth.

[Danny]

Really?

[Jordan]

But I think it's a good thing because they're definitely whiter.

[Danny]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

Your smile is better, but I'm complimenting you and saying it looks natural. You already had really good teeth.

[Danny]

That means you're complimenting Dr. Dooley.

[Jordan]

Yeah. And they're natural.

[Danny]

She's such a vibe. I love her. Yeah. I think they look really, like. So her big thing about veneers, and there were so many questions that I can kind of answer. Answer about getting this. These veneers. But her big thing is you can go really white with the color if you go natural with the shape. That's kind of like her thing, which I agree with, because if you go. If you change the shape a lot and then you go really white, that's whenever people are like, oh, my gosh, it looks like those big, like, tic tac teeth or horse teeth or whatever. She's done a lot of influencers. A lot.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Danny]

Yeah. So our podcast producers asked me, like, what they feel like. They feel exactly what you would think they feel, like, amazing. Like, smooth.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Danny]

And like, my bottom ones are, like, so straight now, you see? And they're just, like, so smooth. Like, you just want to, like, run your tongue over them all the time.

[Jordan]

Yeah, me too.

[Danny]

No, it's, like, kind of the best, so. So the way that the process works is you go in and they have two different ways they can give you veneers. One, if your teeth are already, like, pretty straight and pretty, like, even, like, if you had braces, they can do no prep veneers, which means that they don't have to shave any of your teeth down, and they just take, like, measurements and they just put the veneer over your teeth, which is great because you don't have to, like, mess up your. Your natural teeth. The other way is, if you're not a good candidate for that, then they do have to shave your teeth down

[Jordan]

just a little bit, which is what they did with Danny and you. Yeah, and me. But I. I saw Danny as though she did meth. Like, her teeth were just, like, shaven down. Didn't bother me that much.

[Danny]

Well, so it's really interesting because, like, you and I have. Yours are like that, too. But I never looked at you.

[Jordan]

Yeah, you did. No, you didn't.

[Danny]

No.

[Jordan]

I now understand. I remember when my teeth were shaved down like that, how vulnerable it felt. And I now understand why you wanted me to leave the room.

[Danny]

Yeah, he just kept looking. I was like, can you leave? It's kind of like you looking whenever you're giving birth. It's like, can you stop?

[Jordan]

Yeah, I get that.

[Danny]

But they bought. So these, they basically, like, cement them to your teeth. And the way that they get the veneers off is actually really cool, because I already had veneers like seven years ago is they use a laser and they literally just like fly off. It's wild. And so I got new ones on. They like cement them in. Like, they're so, so strong that you're. I'm never gonna have problems with them chipping. In fact, I feel like I chipped my natural teeth more than my veneers. But yeah, like, and the craziest thing is that they do the temps and the temps kind of look exactly like your. Your teeth now. And they take that week and they have to. It could be two weeks, but they need that two week range so they can order veneers. So the lab works on them, they shape them exactly how your dentist wants, and then you come back in two weeks later, and then you get the veneers placed on. The biggest downside to the whole process is it just takes a long time. Like, you're in the chair for a really long time, but it doesn't hurt because they numb the heck out of you. Like, you are so, so numb. Besides that, like, you know, we just like, jam to Drake and. Yeah, it was like she just. The other worst part about it is it's like you can't talk, so you just have to listen.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Danny]

The whole time. That was hard. But I actually have an implant that I got because I. When I lost this tooth, my, like one of my laterals, I just never grew a tooth back. Like, it's just genetic in our family. And so you can also do veneers if you have implants, which is really great. So. Yeah, I mean, that was fun. People like, why'd you do it? And I was like, I don't know.

[Jordan]

She's in her. Her looks maxing era.

[Danny]

Yeah. Because Clavicular told me to. Actually. He doesn't have veneers. Honestly.

[Jordan]

No, I think he does.

[Danny]

No, he does. I looked at his. He. He just did like a interview with Jake. Paul. No, Logan Paul. And I was looking at his teeth

[Jordan]

and I was like, he doesn't have veneers.

[Danny]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

It's just shocking. I mean, he's done like, everything else.

[Danny]

Everything.

[Jordan]

Have you seen his before and after pictures?

[Danny]

No.

[Jordan]

Really? I'm gonna show you.

[Danny]

Oh, my.

[Jordan]

I know.

[Danny]

Wait, let me see. He looks like Superman. He gives me such though the cringe.

[Jordan]

No, I mean, he's for sure, like.

[Danny]

Okay. Also, he just looks like a kid that was going through puberty. You know, like, we all look weird. People always, like, look at my pictures and I was like, 20 years old. And they're like, like, I posted that picture of Luke Conor, you know, 15 years ago. And people are like, what did you do different to your face? I'm like, I don't know. I was 20 years old. You just change. To me, it.

[Jordan]

No, babe, it's crazy.

[Danny]

But his body's like insane.

[Jordan]

But like also ill. Don't undermine his work. This dude chiseled his face.

[Danny]

I didn't see that, like, because you

[Jordan]

know why he took a hammer to his face?

[Danny]

Because I think that that happened whenever I. When I was getting the veneers, because I was so swollen from just the shots they give you for the numbing. And I kind of felt like I looked like clavicular. And I was like, this is probably what it's like to bone Smash. Cuz it's swollen.

[Jordan]

Yeah. And he like injects. I don't know what he injects. He injects things into his face to like slim it out.

[Danny]

That probably can't be good for you.

[Jordan]

No. Have you ever heard how much stuff he's on? No, babe, he's going to die. The amount of testosterone, like the amount. Well, no, I think his testosterone is actually like pretty low grade. But the peptides he's on, like, how much Adderall he takes, like, oh, that's why.

[Danny]

That's the devil's drug.

[Jordan]

That's why he's like. People say he's like on the spectrum, but I think he's just like hopped up on Adderall for sure. He's just dialed in.

[Danny]

Yeah, that changes your personality.

[Jordan]

And then I think he takes like Cialis.

[Danny]

What's that?

[Jordan]

That like, increases your libido because your libido is probably down with Adderall. So he's just like, literally, like trying to find a cocktail mix to like balance all the drugs he's on.

[Danny]

Oh, that can't be good for you.

[Jordan]

No, it's not good for you at all.

[Danny]

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[Danny]

Well, you've been reading a lot lately. I want to hear about the unseen realm.

[Jordan]

We already talked about it.

[Danny]

Okay. But you. You're reading a second book.

[Jordan]

I don't want to go there.

[Danny]

Well, can you tell us about aliens and demons?

[Jordan]

So Danny was like talking about these disclosure files.

[Danny]

Yeah, I just want to know more.

[Jordan]

And I. I just said to Danny, I said, they're not aliens, they're demons.

[Danny]

Okay. Why do you think that? So Jordan thinks that aliens are demonstration. Why?

[Jordan]

Okay. It's really complicated.

[Danny]

We want the deep tracks.

[Jordan]

You want the deep tracks. Okay, please.

[Danny]

So especially about, like the Adam and Eve thing that you told me. That's so interesting. It's so interesting. You have to tell them.

[Jordan]

Okay, there's a. I've already talked about this, but there's a book Called the Unseen Realm. And it. And it basically is more of, like, the supernatural view of specifically Genesis and then the Old Testament. Okay. It's this just giant. This. It's this giant story of, like, you know, God created Eden and he created humans to be imagers of him and to, like.

[Danny]

Does that mean we look like. Like God looks like a human?

[Jordan]

I don't think so.

[Danny]

Okay. I'm just kidding.

[Jordan]

I think imagers is more like his nature traits, virtues.

[Danny]

So. Traits, though? Oh, like at, like, personality traits?

[Jordan]

Yeah, like. Like love and grace and kindness and, you know, all the goodness. Like the. You know, like, we know. Like, we know what right and wrong is. Right.

[Danny]

Like, so God is not Morgan Freeman.

[Jordan]

God is not Morgan Freeman. And the reason I don't think we look like God is because, like, as a species, whatever God is, and then like, our species is because a lot of the angels look very different. You know, like the cherubim or whatever.

[Danny]

Oh, yeah. It's like the big eye thing.

[Jordan]

It's like four wings. And then, like, you know, those are described and those, like. But he would, I think, also say that those are made in his image, too. So I don't think it's, like, just physical image.

[Danny]

I wonder if the chair of them think we look really weird. You know, we think they look weird,

[Jordan]

but you asked me why I think they're aliens. So, wait, you didn't get into the

[Danny]

Adam and Eve thing, which Adam and Eve thing, about the nephilim?

[Jordan]

I think this is too hard for me right now.

[Danny]

Okay. Okay.

[Jordan]

It's too deep.

[Danny]

Okay.

[Jordan]

But I think that. So basically, here's. Here's what I would say is if you read Genesis under, like, the. Michael. I think his name is Michael Heiser. He's dead now, but he was, like a theologian. If you read that book, I think that you will understand that there's like, a history here of basically the. The, you know, Adam and Eve fall, right. And then there's like, fallen angels. Right. Satan being the main one.

[Danny]

And fallen angels fall because they disobey God or they, like, try to compete with God. I'm actually. Genuinely asking.

[Jordan]

Yeah. So, like, basically that was Lucifer who became Satan. It's hard because the actual translation of Satan is opposer. So there are, like, there's the Satan and then there's like, Satan referenced as, like, just, like, people who debated or pushed against, you know, God. Like, Job, right. Is. I don't know if it's the Satan or Satan, but it's like, arguing with God. Like, no, Job should have Fallen or Job will fall. And it was just kind of like an opposing force. But the point is, is that when God put Satan over Eden, he was part of like the governing council of God. Right. So like an angel or like a spiritual being. And so what was most interesting to me about this book is you always kind of like what we're taught in like Sunday school is Eve fell prey to a serpent.

[Danny]

Yeah. Like the women are always.

[Jordan]

Yeah. Like, oh, like she women, you know, if the man was there, like, you know, like. But it probably, it more likely than not was a very trustworthy source. Yeah. Being that like Eve knew as like a trustworthy source that like coaxed her into accessing forbidden knowledge.

[Danny]

Right. So she still made a mistake, but like she probably in her mind was like, I'm not going to like she didn't know it was demonic or Satan.

[Jordan]

It was just for. It's like you remember like when Jesus was tempted in the desert and like the Satan probably at that point was like, I can give you all these kingdoms or I can give you all the riches. It probably was a temptation like that. Right. And so, you know, as part, I

[Danny]

mean, like, honestly, I've been a little tempted too.

[Jordan]

Well, it was a very like cosmic event because that's what was basically the fall. Right. So it was like a betrayal to God by Satan or who was part of his council before. So it was a transgression against God and then it made his vision of Eden and man corrupt. Right. Like it kind of like set a whole different direction. So then once you understand the importance of that, then what happens is like God disperses. And the whole Old Testament is basically God trying to reclaim his people that had fallen prey to sin. And Israel as they would call it, like different than the nation or maybe not don't wanna get into that, but you know, reclaiming his people and trying to rebuild a new Eden. And the craziest thing about this book is when you look at things like I would read this book and then I would read through like the passages and it really is like a crazy historical text.

[Danny]

Mm.

[Jordan]

Like everything in the Old Testament, like historians from like second Temple Jewish literature would be like, yeah, like this happened or this was the civilization at that time. And so it all is so forward looking to the Messiah.

[Danny]

Like it adds up is what you're saying.

[Jordan]

Yeah, it adds up. And it's so prophetic. Like these texts that were written thousands and thousands of years before Jesus are so prophetically perfect to the historical figure of Jesus and what happened. Yeah, it's crazy. And I know that that's like, so basic. Well, it's like, yo, you're a Christian, you should believe this. But, like, I feel like my eyes have been opened to it.

[Danny]

Kind of probably makes your faith even deeper.

[Jordan]

So much deeper.

[Danny]

Before, you're probably just acting so much out of faith. And then whenever you're like, wait, it actually makes sense and adds up. It's like, oh, no. Like, this is real.

[Jordan]

No, it's like the deep tracks. And so. And so then I will get into what you were asking about. So then what happens?

[Danny]

It's so interesting. You have to.

[Jordan]

So then what happened is I read this book and I'm not going to get into, like, the theology side too much, but in the unseen realm, basically, one cosmic event was when sat. When Eve fell to Satan. Okay. So that was kind of the fall of man. And then the other cosmic event was basically. And this is like, super deep tracks, but there's a. I'm trying to figure out if I want to go on this path. Hold on. Okay, so basically, like, what happens is then there's. In Genesis, it talks about, like, in these times there were giants.

[Danny]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

Have you ever heard of that? Like the Nephilim. So the Nephilim were basically giants that multiple cultures, even outside of, like, Hebrew culture, like, you go into South American culture, like the Aztecs, all of them refer to giants. Okay, so there was a time where giants, I. E. The Nephilim, were on Earth. And basically what Genesis alludes to is that spiritual beings, angels, or fallen angels mated with humans. And that was like, basically the offspring called the Nephilim.

[Danny]

And God didn't like that.

[Jordan]

God did not like that. Right. And so that was like the second major, like, cosmic event. Okay, so here's where it gets crazy. So these Nephilim are, like, actually, like, very villainous beings in the Bible. Right. So like when in the Old Testament, when God was trying to lead Israel to the promised land, they came up to. I forgot what the region was, but they basically needed to pass through this region, but it was controlled by giants. And so, like, it's always kind of a conflict between these, like, beings, these Nephilim beings and humans and Israel, God's people in the Bible. Okay, so let's just for the sake of argument, say that the Nephilim are fallen angels that once again, are giving men or giving man forbidden knowledge that they're not supposed to have.

[Danny]

Okay.

[Jordan]

Okay. Okay. So good, let's park there. So there's a book called Fingerprints of the Gods. Okay. And I've seen this guy like on Joe Rogan a ton. And he goes and he like tries to figure out like, he's like almost like a journalist, archaeologist. And he's trying to figure out like, how were these like ancient civilizations built? Because there's so much we don't understand about the pyramids or if you go into like South America, like the Aztec, like Mayan Inca temples, like, they were like very advanced societies that we don't understand. Like Machu Picchu is one of the seven wonders of the world. So what's so crazy is when you read like his findings, like he digs really deep into all these like South American cultures and like what they understood about religion and what they understood about their, you know, formation stories and across the board, whether you're in Mexico, whether you're in South America, whether you're in mainland China, all of these civilizations reference basically a fall event. So like a triune God created man. Then there were, they referred to them as bearded, pale skinned men.

[Danny]

Okay.

[Jordan]

Like Mexico, South America, like thousands of miles. They all have the story like a

[Danny]

male, white bearded man visiting them.

[Jordan]

Yes. And this is not like theology. This is like their historical records. They all are like, they visited us and they taught us astronomy, law, civics, technology, metallurgy, like all of these things that like man at that time, based on like mainstream archeology, like wouldn't understand or know. Right. So these bearded figures come over and then they all reference a great flood event which is also biblical. So they're all like, okay, then a great flood happened and then we lost access to all of these like arts and things like that. So if you try and connect the dots, it's basically like, were the Nephilim, you know, these kind of fallen angels, a set of beings or people group that taught them how to do these miraculous temples and things that we still today don't understand. And then a flood event, you know, kind of wiped them out. And what's so crazy, because the flood

[Danny]

happened because God was very angry with everything going on.

[Jordan]

Yeah, it was like, it was destruction. It was like. I was like, I'm wiping the slate clean.

[Danny]

But he promised he would never do that again. But he was like, I don't like what's going on. You guys are sleeping with Nephilim or the giants. And weren't like people like marrying their brothers and sisters and stuff?

[Jordan]

I don't know about that.

[Danny]

It was like crazy. No, right? Yeah, they were crazy stuff.

[Jordan]

Okay, so. So here's what's crazy is that most of these, like, so we. All we know is like the temples that are like above ground. But if you look at like any geologist would say this. So like now I'm on mainstream science. Any geologist would say, like, there was for sure a flood sometime post ice age, and the sea levels rose like 120 meters. So there are now like all of these like ancient sort of civilizations that they're finding underwater. Right. Like in the ocean. And so what were you asking me? Why I think they're demons?

[Danny]

No, just. I just want to hear all about this.

[Jordan]

Okay. So there's all these like civilizations underwater now. And so all of these UAP files that came out. The craziest thing is that most of them like, either they're like trans medium, so they come in and out of the water, but like without any ripples or anything like that. And most of these cultures of South America, et cetera, they all said like, there's like a very big significance with the sea.

[Danny]

And

[Jordan]

so. Yeah, I don't know. I think that that's like as far as I've gotten. So I feel like I have that like, cork board. Yeah, it's like all these lines that I'm like this connected. But like, you know, I was talking to some guy at this like, event last night and it was like a lot of Christians in the room and he was a pastor. And I was like, oh, man, like, I'm reading the Unseen Realm. And he knew it and he was like talking about it. And it was cool to talk to someone who also like, understands all this stuff because he was like, yeah, no, like it's. It's super biblical. And I don't know, I just feel like it's like really like, brightened up and like, helped me understand.

[Danny]

So are the aliens the Nephilim?

[Jordan]

I don't know. I truly do think they're. They're probably like if. If they're real, which, like, I don't know. I didn't look at the files. Were they pretty convincing? They're saying like, if they're really like, they're okay. So Steven Spielberg is coming out with a movie.

[Danny]

I love your conspiracy theories. Yes. Disc. What's it called?

[Jordan]

Disclosure.

[Danny]

Disclosure.

[Jordan]

And like, we all have to admit on the Internet they for sure are ramping up. Disclosure. Yeah, like, and I. You can say it's a psyop. Maybe it is. But like, they're for sure talking more about these aliens. Yeah.

[Danny]

Yeah, for sure.

[Jordan]

Okay. So like, the craziest thing about Steven Spielberg is he came out with that movie Close Encounters of the Third Kind, and that was in the 1970s. He released that movie. But there's been so much that have come out in these files that, like, directly are accurate to what he portrayed in that movie, that they're like, hey, did he have specific knowledge? Like, apparently Steven Spielberg's always been big on aliens.

[Danny]

Yeah. E.T. right.

[Jordan]

Yeah, he did E.T. and then he did third. First. Third encounters. Now he's coming out with disclosure day on the same year that they're ramping up disclosure.

[Danny]

So these things do happen. Okay. I have seen influencers been hired by milk. Like, literally just like the milk. Like milk that you drink.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Danny]

And they're trying to change, like, the conception of milk. And so they're trying to use influencers and use people and to speak differently about certain subjects. Like, we've been hired by. Or we've been, like, approached by something in the healthcare industry that, like, we're not even promoting a certain brand. You're promoting an ideal, and that stuff happens.

[Jordan]

No, I mean, like, it's not. I think what people who are not in media need to understand is that if you have enough money and you have access to probably like a set of 20 different agencies.

[Danny]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

Across influencer, across paid media, across this. You literally can push really any message that you want on a people group.

[Danny]

Like that. Bacon and eggs are good for breakfast.

[Jordan]

Yeah. I mean, that was like the founder of pr, Edward Bernays, wanted to sell more bacon. And so he created the American Breakfast, which was like, you should eat two eggs and bacon every day.

[Danny]

Ever be good for you for breakfast? It's so bad for you.

[Jordan]

No, he. It's all. It's all media manipulation, 100%. And it's really not that hard to do.

[Danny]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

Like, I'll tell you another crazy story. So I went to a bachelor party recently, and I. We were at this. This event, and I met this guy, and he runs a clipping agency. Do you know what that is?

[Danny]

Where they take your videos and clip them in a million different ways.

[Jordan]

Yes. So.

[Danny]

And just push them on, like, so many bot accounts or like, so it seems like this conversation is happening about something, but it's really not. It's just like this one agency, just clipping.

[Jordan]

Yeah. So you basically take raw footage and like, if you guys are on TikTok, you can scroll TikTok and you'll see all of these clips. And like, let's talk about black.

[Danny]

Blake Lively is the worst.

[Jordan]

No, let's take an easier example. So I know for this was covered in an article by the New York Times just recently and Justin Bieber's Coachella performance. Okay, did you see that? So you probably saw a lot of clips that formed your opinion of like, oh, so cool. He just had a laptop up there, right?

[Danny]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

Okay, so he paid, or his team or whoever paid an agency, clipping agency, to basically have all of these quote unquote bot fan accounts or.

[Danny]

This is true.

[Jordan]

This is true, 100% true. These fan accounts to clip those versions and position it within different ways that will go viral. So like some people would clip it because it. Okay, here's how the infrastructure works. There's a clipping agency, okay? And then there's typically a sea of like high school age kids. And these, these kids are given the raw footage with a brief that says, we want Justin Bieber to look like this, this or this. So probably positive, neutral or negative, okay? And all of these kids are given general direction and then they're paid on a CPM basis. So if their TikTok their clips. TikTok gets say, a thousand views, they get, you know, a dollar per thousand views. I'm making these up. I don't know the numbers. So these kids are hijacking virality through framing and positioning of this raw footage. But the reason that musicians or celebrities want this is because it keeps them relevant, right? Because whatever's clipped and talked about becomes the popular culture of the time, right? So I was talking to this guy at the bachelor party and he was like, yeah, like I run a clipping agency. I said, that's so fascinating. Tell me how me how that works. And he was like, oh, it's so crazy, you would not believe it. And I was like, who do you work for? And he was like, streamers are a big market. So clavicular. Clavicular. And these big streamers, I've heard stories that they pay up to a million dollars a year for clipping services. And so you think they have such a fan base.

[Danny]

You think like, oh my gosh, so many people are talking about.

[Jordan]

These people are so famous, but it's artificial fame.

[Danny]

But that makes so much sense because sometimes our views are like way higher than like a celebrity is 100%, but everyone is talking about the celebrity.

[Jordan]

No, these. The streamer market really, I think, pioneered this because they're the ones who found these clipping agencies or they formalized them into agencies. It's kind of like a gray market. You probably had a guy that was like clipping for you, and then the guy said, well, I should start an Agency. And so then, like, there's a couple of shops that do it. And so this is the craziest story. So he was like, yeah, streamers pay us a ton of money. They're spending like a million dollars a year in clipping services to, like, boost their fame. And as you and I know, it's a self fulfilling prophecy because if you have the capital to fund your clipping, then brands aren't smart enough to know that your growth is artificial. So then you make all this money and your rates go up, which funds more clipping. And so you kind of have a monopoly on attention.

[Danny]

And maybe your clipping is also increasing your followers.

[Jordan]

It is. That's what I'm saying.

[Danny]

So it's actually, it's all. It's actually genuine, authentic growth.

[Jordan]

Yes. But you can. Okay, you think about it like this. So like, let's say I'm the CIA.

[Danny]

Like a. It's. It's like a hack to grow faster.

[Jordan]

Yes. Let's say I'm the CIA. Okay. And I identify. Yeah. Have you ever heard like, oh, they're a Hollywood plant that, like, conspiracy theory.

[Danny]

Yeah. Okay, let's say like the guy from that scary movie. Oh, my gosh. Where the two girls are sitting in the hallway.

[Jordan]

The Shining.

[Danny]

The Shining. Remember there was like a. They thought that there was an industry plant.

[Jordan]

Oh, Stanley Croup.

[Danny]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

Yeah. Well, okay, let's say. Let's say I'm. I'm. I'm part of the Republican party, okay. And I want for family values.

[Danny]

You're Spencer Pratt.

[Jordan]

No, no, I'm. I'm. No, no, I'm. I'm. This is an easier example. I'm part of the conservative party, and I feel like family values are being attacked in America. Okay, how would I solve that? You go to a blonde Mormon female. I'm just.

[Danny]

I'm Alex Cooper.

[Jordan]

No, no, no, I'm not. I'm not picking on her. But like, you go to a blonde female who has seven kids, okay. Ballerina farms, and you say, oh, they don't. They're. No one knows about them. But it's such an interesting family. Okay. So you start getting them to create content. Then you take that raw content.

[Danny]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

And then you give it to clipping services. You give them a million bucks to go get high. CPMs. Think about how easy it would be to make ballerina farms famous.

[Danny]

Well, and Bobby Altoff. Remember, they thought she was an industry.

[Jordan]

Yeah. Bobby Altoff. It's a great. It's a great example. So here's the craziest story about this guy who taught me about clipping. He said, and I don't listen, I don't think he's making this up. I really don't, because I was a stranger.

[Danny]

He's a Christian influencer. He's not gonna lie at a Christian event.

[Jordan]

No, no. This was at a bachelor party.

[Danny]

Oh, I'm sorry.

[Jordan]

I don't know this guy. I met him. He comes to me and he tells me the craziest contract we ever got.

[Danny]

Are you allowed to say this?

[Jordan]

Yeah, I don't know. I don't know him. So he said, no, it's fine. He said, the craziest contract they ever got was the government of a country.

[Danny]

Yeah, this happens. Israel.

[Jordan]

No, I'm not going to say the country. Well, so the government of a country. No, this is crazy. Gave them drone footage of, like, buildings and all these things being blown up. And they had a very specific brief of how they wanted the American minds to respond to the war effort on XYZ Other Country. And I go, there's a reason I

[Danny]

feel like you're not supposed to be sharing this.

[Jordan]

And I go, well, it's not my fault he shared. But I go, hey, let me ask you this. I said, do you think that anything on the Internet is real? And he said, no, our stuff is real. Yeah. And maybe that's what people feel.

[Danny]

It's not.

[Jordan]

No, maybe that's what people feel is that they. That's why your engagement is high, is because they're like, oh, like, this Danny's not an industry plant. It's real. But, like.

[Danny]

But what if I am? I would love to be, but maybe I'm kidding. Maybe I am. You don't know.

[Jordan]

So anyway, I don't know what I'm saying. This, like, it's crazy.

[Danny]

It's just nothing is real. Nothing is what it seems.

[Jordan]

Well, okay, so then, have you heard about the dead Internet?

[Danny]

No. Tell me more. See, I love. I. I get so annoyed whenever you have all these, like, such interesting information and you don't share it with me. I feel like you're trying to make me dumb.

[Jordan]

No, I'm not.

[Danny]

You know, so much. That's the biggest reading again.

[Jordan]

That's the biggest conspiracy theory. So the dead Internet theory is basically that, like, no opinion on the Internet is actually real because the algorithms are so in control of what we see. And behind the scenes, it's, like, also bought and paid for probably by, like, government NGOs, and it's just this kind of, like, mass sort of manipulation campaign. And it's too hard to break through, you know, the Internet. And the best example of this is, like, when, you know, Elon Musk bought Twitter, you know how much of the accounts were, like, bots? It was a very, very. It was a very, very large.

[Danny]

He cleared that out, right?

[Jordan]

And he cleared it out.

[Danny]

How much was it? Do you know? I mean, Ask Chat.

[Jordan]

Yeah, I gotta know. Ask Chat, gbt. But the Wall Street Journal, like, Elon Musk bought Twitter.

[Danny]

How many accounts were bots? 20 or higher.

[Jordan]

Yeah, so. So in, like, the. It's like a confirmed mainstream media, like, investigative report that, like, governments have giant warehouses. Like, the Saudi government did it with just massive bot farms. Commenting on Twitter at the time and, like, shaping public perception not through the tweets, but through the comments. Because it's all comments. That's like, where you really. So you look at a post and you're like, oh, man. Like what? Like, think about your behavior. You look at a post and then you go to the comments and you're like, like, oh, what do people really think? Oh, that's what they really think. And you do remember reading through Covid, like, we were in Texas, okay, so Covid basically didn't exist here. But you would get on Twitter and you would be like, okay, wait, craziest

[Danny]

things are happening in the world. You go outside and you're like, wait,

[Jordan]

there's such a disconnect from my reality and what I am feeling in the world versus what I am reading here. And then he buys Twitter. 20% of them were bots that were literally shaping division and opinion around this topic. And so you think about cyber warfare. If I was another government, the way that I would really attack America is by just kind of deconstructing their family structures, creating division between one another, creating arguments on the Internet. And then the algorithm's feed off of that. And so. And then look at us today. We all. We all just hate each other. We fight.

[Danny]

But I think that's the thing is. I know, because they're online, and then we go out in public and nobody's fighting like that. No.

[Jordan]

And that's. Welcome to the theory of the dead.

[Danny]

I don't think it's happening in schools

[Jordan]

that people hate each other.

[Danny]

Yeah. Like, I think that, like, the way that parents are treating teachers and just, like, schools is actually horrible. I know that's kind of random.

[Jordan]

That's so random for me to say,

[Danny]

but I think it's just, like, the one thing that, like, I keep hearing about on the Internet. But then, like, Every time I talk to a teacher, they're like, yeah, it's brutal out there.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Danny]

Like, I think that's, like, the one thing that I'm like, oh, yeah, it actually is.

[Jordan]

Yeah. I mean, so what's the answer? The answer? I honestly think the answer is you should consume less Internet.

[Danny]

Yeah, for sure.

[Jordan]

I think it's, like. I think I. It's literally a device that you. Literally. Someone said this. You know how Christians love to use sound bites?

[Danny]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

They're like. Like, every pastor is like, it's not this, it's that. And everyone's like, amen, brother. Yeah. So I was at this event I was telling you about, like, and it was, like, an app that's trying to be, like, a Christian Instagram.

[Danny]

Okay.

[Jordan]

And there was one sound bite that was really good, and they said, if you think about it, like, our kids that are on social media are being discipled by algorithms.

[Danny]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

And I thought that was, like, so good, because literally every swipe on a TikTok is a little bit of shaping of how you understand the world.

[Danny]

Yeah. And when you're a kid and you're

[Jordan]

so malleable, so formative.

[Danny]

But that's why my kids will not have social media.

[Jordan]

No. And even, like, when we. When Stella was watching those Disney movies, and then she'd be like, like, princess.

[Danny]

Like, she thinks that she just, like, deserves the world because. So we don't even really watch Disney movies anymore.

[Jordan]

It's just media is so powerful.

[Danny]

I know.

[Jordan]

It's so powerful.

[Danny]

Yeah. I mean, I. Even some of Stella's mannerisms, like, okay, I used to love, like, that's so Raven. And, like, I would watch her mannerisms and try to, like, mimic.

[Jordan]

No, I know.

[Danny]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

And I. You know, Stella's, like, already, like, brushing her hair before she goes out the door. And I'm like, stella, you look great. And she's like, I want it to be straight. And, like, all of straight hair, all of these. And I'm not saying that that can't happen just from, like, her social.

[Danny]

No, that's happening from, like, comparing herself at school.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Danny]

The other girls, like, that just happens. But, man, that's already hard enough. And then you add social media to it. It's brutal. That's why I just really think we need to get chickens in Nashville. I wanted to ask you, this chick. Do you need, like, I wish we

[Jordan]

could listen back to every single podcast.

[Danny]

I'm serious. That's also why I want to put, like. She's gonna do, like, horseback riding. I don't I'm not saying she's gonna like it, but, like, I want my kids to have activities that get them outside and get them outside of, like, their, their home and get them into nature and, like, caring for an animal. Like, I think you just, like, learn so much about all of that. And that's why I think horseback riding is so cool, because, like, you learn how to respect. Respect an animal. There's rules to the game. Like, you know, apparently it's very expensive, but not to buy a horse, just to ride one. Yeah, I don't know anything about horseback riding, honestly, but apparently there's, like, a barn there that just. Yeah, no, it's kind of like a country club. You have to join the barn.

[Jordan]

It's, it's up there in terms of the most expensive things.

[Danny]

Well, we also really like tennis, so that's good. But I, I, I would love to know, to learn more about chickens. Do you need space to have chickens, like, or can we get chickens in Brentwood? Or is that weird?

[Jordan]

I think it's a little weird.

[Danny]

Is it?

[Jordan]

You know.

[Danny]

Wait, tell me why.

[Jordan]

Let me just say something. Okay, wait.

[Danny]

I want to have chickens because also, we eat, like, 20 eggs a day. But also I want my kids to be able to, like, wake up in the morning and, like, go get the eggs. How many times do they lay eggs?

[Jordan]

I took you out to Leapers Forge and I put you on 10 acres and you had a panic attack. I'm just telling you all the things that you're wanting, you're gonna want next year.

[Danny]

How many eggs does a chicken lay a day or week? So how many chickens do we need? Like, four? I know they stink. About one egg per day, so usually five to seven eggs per week. Oh, this will be great. The only thing is, you gotta watch out for, like, coyotes and foxes and Brentwood, babe. I had bobcats in my neighborhood growing up, and I grew up in Dallas. We had bobcats.

[Jordan]

We really did have coyotes.

[Danny]

No, I'm saying we have coyotes, too, on our street.

[Jordan]

And.

[Danny]

Are you kidding? In Nashville, they're like, right next to the mountains, there's gonna be. Yeah, our chickens are going to get eaten.

[Jordan]

I know.

[Danny]

And then you learn about the cycle of life. And not to be a vegetarian.

[Jordan]

Bold. But we are going to have to be vegetarians because we're going to get that, that tick disease that's going around.

[Danny]

Oh, in Nashville.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Danny]

Or everywhere. But also, is that propaganda? That's just, that's just people trying to get people to not move to Nashville. It Almost got me. You can convince people of anything.

[Jordan]

I know. So can I be serious for a second?

[Danny]

The city of Nashville is like, let's release a story.

[Jordan]

No. So in all seriousness, I'm going to tie all this together in a bow. Okay. I've thought a lot about what you and I do. Media.

[Danny]

Okay.

[Jordan]

Okay. And I think it is so powerful, and I mean this sincerely. I've been thinking a lot about, like, so God created man to be imagers of his goodness, kindness, grace, et cetera. So I feel like what I've had an epiphany on is I think what's so cool about what you do is I think that you on your platform are, like, a really great imager of, like, God's characteristics.

[Danny]

Oh, thank you, babe.

[Jordan]

I really do. And I think you remember we were talking in the car, and I was like, you. You were telling me that you secretly have visions or Prof. Prophecies for your life. This is big. She. First time she ever told me.

[Danny]

Sure.

[Jordan]

And you were kind of, like, burying it, and I was like, well, why do you think? Like, why do you think God wants you to have this platform? And you said to me, you go, I think it's because he knows I can handle it. And what you meant by that was that you knew that it wasn't going to go to your head and it wasn't going to change your character. How many followers do you have, et cetera? And that's what I always tell people. I'm like, the craziest thing about Danny is that, like, it doesn't change her. Yeah, I go back to this a lot. We won that EY Entrepreneur of the Year award. And I got up on stage, and I literally was like, I'm not built for this. Because it went straight to my head. I think about that speech, and I was like, that was me dipping my toe in the water to be like, can I handle what you've given Danny? And the answer was, no, it's okay. I'm totally cool with it. I understand my boundaries, but you really can't handle it. And I think that as we move to Nashville and as just, like, you stop having kids and get your pink back.

[Danny]

Oh, did I tell you about my other prophecy, though?

[Jordan]

But as you get your pink back, I've seen you, like, more excited and, like, working, and, you know, you have kind of that joy back into, like, what you. You feel purpose in. And I just think that. I think that God really wants me to tell you that, like, I think your purpose is to just Be you. Because this platform and I have people come up to me all the time and tell me this, like, oh, my gosh, we love Danny. Like, she, you know, she's this or she's that. And I think that that's just what he's happiest with.

[Danny]

Thanks, babe. That's good encouragement.

[Jordan]

And so I think you should just keep doing it.

[Danny]

Oh, thank you, honey.

[Jordan]

Well, I know you're going to do it whatever I say or not, but. Yeah, I just think there's. I think there's more purpose to it now that I understand this theology of, like, why God made us. I think there's more purpose to it than I saw before.

[Danny]

There's more purpose to being, like, image bearers.

[Jordan]

Yeah. But there's also responsibility with it, too.

[Danny]

Yeah, I know.

[Jordan]

You know, and I think that. I think. I don't think we were perfect in the responsibility side of it, but I do think. I feel it's kind of like a pastor. A pastor feels really the responsibility of stewarding, like, a church. And I think that I'm just, like, realizing that you are stewarding a platform, and I think you're doing great.

[Danny]

Thanks, babe. I think you're doing great on this podcast, too, because you don't show up any other social media. Seriously, I think it's great. Yeah.

[Jordan]

Okay, last thing, and then we'll wrap. I'm not a conspiracy theorist. I just think life is so much weirder than we are. Trying to say that we understand it. Yeah.

[Danny]

No, I agree.

[Jordan]

People are going to think I'm so crazy after this podcast.

[Danny]

I don't think so.

[Jordan]

I think they might.

[Danny]

I think if you feel like he's crazy, you should read the book.

[Jordan]

Yeah. I mean, no, listen, I don't think they're right in the end. Crazy. I'm just saying they might not be at the deep tracks yet.

[Danny]

I think you'd be surprised because every time I meet people and they listen to this podcast, they're always like, I love when Jordan talked about this, or I love when he goes deep on that, because I think we're all questioning things now, too.

[Jordan]

Yeah. I mean, you can't not.

[Danny]

And honestly, if.

[Jordan]

Unless you're, like, sitting and watching, like, mainstream news all day, like, how are you not questioning everything?

[Danny]

Honestly, I think the people that are questioning are the bots.

[Jordan]

It's real. Honestly. Can I ask you something? Do you think that I should get you on a clipping service? I really thought about this.

[Danny]

We should get you on a clipping service. About the clippers?

[Jordan]

No, like, the clippers would be like. Like, here's what I was thinking. Honestly, this is my strategy.

[Danny]

Let's try. Let's just try something.

[Jordan]

No, here's the thing. Your house, our house design. Your house design is going to be so polarizing. It's going to be so love or hate that crazy. Oh, I was like, I literally was thinking about creating a brief and be like, hey, like, let's. Let's clip this and let's talk about

[Danny]

how ugly it is.

[Jordan]

And your viral moment is not like,

[Danny]

you know, it's like, is it ugly or pretty?

[Jordan]

Yeah, yeah. It's kind of like. Like, your version of virality will be like. Like, opinions from moms over things.

[Danny]

I just went viral and it was authentic and it was real. It was my birth. I already had my viral.

[Jordan]

I know, but can you imagine if we were.

[Danny]

That's the first time I've ever, like, that just organically was clipped. That's the first time I've ever really gone viral. It's kind of fun, honestly, because, like, so many. It still goes viral to this day. Like, every time I open my phone, there's, like, people in different countries commenting on, like, how crazy I am or how it's like, it's fun whenever it's like, not your character that they're attacking.

[Jordan]

Yeah. No, I mean, as long as you are good with, like. I feel like a couple years ago

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you wouldn't have been able to handle it.

[Danny]

It. Yeah, it's fine.

[Jordan]

Yeah. Now you're good with it. I think. I think run some clips, see what happens. It's got to be around, like, I don't want them to, like, clip our family or, like.

[Danny]

No, no, no.

[Jordan]

Just things that, like, I don't want to fight, but, like, like, I think the house.

[Danny]

But the thing is, is, like, Lori Peron Jape is helping me with the house. So it's not going to be ugly.

[Jordan]

No, it's not going to be ugly, but it's definitely. It's not going to be everyone's cup of. Cup of tea, right?

[Danny]

Yeah. We could try it if she's on board. I don't want to, like, bring her into it.

[Jordan]

It's kind of like.

[Danny]

It's kind of like, whatever.

[Jordan]

Yeah, Jake, Paul's doing fine.

[Danny]

I know, but, like, these are, like, industry leaders, and I don't want them to get pulled into the drama, you know, it's got to be something that's just, like, on our own.

[Jordan]

Oh.

[Danny]

You know what I mean? Because then it's like, it's not Danny's work. It's her. Like, I don't want to, like, hurt somebody and their reputation.

[Jordan]

No, I think it only will benefit her for sure. Yeah, we'll talk. We'll. We'll ask her. I'm like, hey, can we run this clipping campaign? We're about to devote a million dollars to it. Okay, good talk.

[Danny]

Okay, we love you guys. We'll talk to you later. Bye. Please note that this episode may contain paid endorsements and advertisements for products and services. Individuals on the show may have a direct or indirect financial interest in products or services referred to in this episode.