The Summer Jordan Was Jealous of Conrad Fisher

Summary

Podcast Summary: De-Influenced with Dani + Jordan

Episode: The Summer Jordan Was Jealous of Conrad Fisher
Date: August 28, 2025
Host: Dear Media
Main Hosts: Dani and Jordan
Guest: Ellie (recurring contributor, joins midway for key discussions)

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Episode Overview

This episode of "De-Influenced with Dani + Jordan" is a lively and candid deep-dive into everything from pop culture fandom (with a special focus on The Summer I Turned Pretty and its characters) to true crime documentaries, podcast production drama, marital dynamics triggered by fictional characters, and a spirited debate on the emotional impact of "yearning" in media. Dani and Jordan oscillate between humor and introspection, discussing generational obsessions, relationship health, the rise of AI in therapy and the workplace, and classic influencer culture gossip.

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Key Topics & Discussion Points

1. Pop Culture & True Crime Hot Takes

Timestamps: 02:06–11:30

• Big X The Plug’s Arrest:
  Jordan brings up the news that his favorite rapper, Big X the Plug, was arrested for marijuana possession in Texas, prompting a discussion about legal inconsistencies and targeted policing.

  “I thought it was legal to have pot now.” — Dani [02:18]
  “It feels a little targeted to me.” — Jordan [02:34]

• Menendez Brothers & True Crime Misconceptions:
  They discuss the Menendez brothers’ parole denial, noting the court system’s frustration with true crime documentaries swaying public opinion.

  “True crime is like the PR spin of criminals.” — Jordan [04:47]
  “Karen Reed... she had a mistrial... without all the press, she probably would have been found guilty.” — Dani [05:00]

• Ethics in True Crime Fandom:
  Dani jokes about wanting the crowd-sourced defense if she ever gets in trouble, but admits she’s “kind of straight edge these days.”

  “I really won’t do anything illegal unless my mom gives it to me.” — Dani [05:24]

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2. Scams and Underground Journalism

Timestamps: 07:28–11:30

• New Mexico Rehab Center Fraud:
  Dani details an NPR exposé about scam rehab centers targeting Native Americans for insurance fraud, fueling a tangent about exploitative industries.

  “These ‘rehabs’ are charging millions... it added up to $20 billion.” — Dani [08:35]

• Journalist Mariana van Zeller & Cartel Hitmen:
  They discuss Theo Von’s interview with NatGeo’s Mariana van Zeller, host of Trafficked, who embeds with dangerous figures like hitmen in South America/Mexico.

  “She goes and meets up with these hardcore assassins... she never has security, because she needs these people to trust her.” — Dani [10:09]
  “You can hire a hitman in South America for like a thousand dollars.” — Dani [11:22]

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3. Podcasting, Theo Von, & Parasocial Relationships

Timestamps: 11:30–22:23

• Versatility of Theo Von:
  Dani admires Theo Von’s relatability with certain guests, while Jordan finds his awkwardness “cringe.” They argue about his production setup.

  “When he interviewed Mark Zuckerberg... that was a hard one.” — Dani [11:46]
  “It just doesn't feel like he's picking his guest list... it feels like a production with a mind of its own.” — Jordan [13:45]
  “I know that I’m right, I listen to every episode.” — Dani [13:35]

• Podcast Guest Dynamics:
  There’s a playful comparison between comedy podcast teams (e.g., Bad Friends) and how male podcasters operate.

• Shifting Fandoms:
  Dani says she’s “kind of sick of Dax [Shepard]” these days, preferring Theo’s authenticity.

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4. The Summer I Turned Pretty: Obsession, Yearning & Marital Jealousy

Timestamps: 21:20–56:40 (most of the heart of the episode)

• Generational Fandom:
  Dani passionately explains her obsession with The Summer I Turned Pretty (SITP) and the character of Conrad Fisher, noting its emotional impact on millennial women.

  “When I watch the episode, it will bring me to tears. What I'm feeling...” — Dani [24:32]

• Plot Recap & Love Triangle:
  An in-depth explanation of the show’s timeline, love triangle between Isabel (“Belly”) and brothers Conrad and Jeremiah, the emotional stakes, and the moments that set social media abuzz.

  “Conrad... he’s like dad material, you know? All us millennials... are like, this man should be your baby daddy.” — Dani [23:04]
  Key Scene: Conrad begs Belly not to marry Jeremiah, showcasing the show’s emotional high point. [36:01–37:46]

• Fan Edits & Social Media Fervor:
  The hosts and Ellie laugh about fan edits, meme culture, and the intense online reaction to SITP’s latest twists.

  “Instagram is just... seven versions of him washing this dish.” — Jordan [27:53]

• "Yearning" & Nostalgia:
  There’s extensive discussion on why millennial and Gen Z women are obsessed with Conrad Fisher, using words like “yearning,” “nostalgia,” and “first love” to describe the emotional pull.

  “It’s a yearning.” — Ellie [42:42]
  “I think deep down in every girl's heart we just want somebody to... feel that yearn.” — Ellie [42:51]

• Comparison with Men’s Fandoms & Emotional Safety:
  Jordan compares female emotional investment in SITP to men’s ties to sports, posing questions about whether such emotional engagement is healthy, especially in marriage.

  “It's like emotional porn.” — Dani [54:22]
  “I'm loyal like a golden retriever... making you chicken and dumplings for breakfast.” — Jordan [54:36]
  “If you explained the show... you've got a guy doing all the right things, in med school, and then you've got this toxic guy... Yet, people root for the underdog.” — Jordan [47:29–48:08]

• Double Standards:
  A tongue-in-cheek debate about whether men would be allowed the same “emotional crush” behavior.

  “If we did it, it’s adultery. But when you guys do it... it’s innocent, like we’re high school girls.” — Jordan [53:00]
  “Sorry, we suck.” — Dani [53:58]

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5. Real-Life Tangents, Parenting, Names & Bodily Issues

Timestamps: 56:39–68:10

• Pregnancy & Baby Gender Debates:
  Dani and Jordan banter about sonograms, gender predictions, and how family and friends react to baby names.

  “I already call Stella and Stratton the same name... I forget his name, like, every other day.” — Dani [66:04] “People are so protective about names.” — Jordan [65:16]

• Personal Hygiene Science:
  A curious segment about Botox for armpit sweat, magnesium sprays for BO, with Ellie adding real-life accounts.

  “Apparently it makes you not stink anymore.” — Danny [58:10]
  “My best friend's doing all that... she had to use men's deodorant.” — Ellie [59:51]

• Names With Unique Spellings:
  The trio commiserate about growing up with “quirkily” spelled names and never finding their names on keychains.

  “I never got my name on a keychain either, and I'm still pretty petty about that.” — Ellie [67:59]

• Ethnic Names & Misconceptions:
  Jordan touches on people’s reactions to his last name "Ramirez," given his complexion.

  “The nurse was like, I’m looking for Jose. And I’m like, ah, that's not me. I'm sorry.” — Jordan [69:01]

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6. AI, Therapy, and Work Automation

Timestamps: 69:24–79:20

• AI Confidentiality & Usage:
  Discussion on Sam Altman’s (OpenAI CEO) warning that ChatGPT has no user-privacy guarantees, especially for those using it as a therapist or life coach.

  “People talk about the most personal shit in their lives to ChatGPT.” — Dani [69:43]

• How Jordan Uses ChatGPT:
  He uploads finances, gets macro meal plans, uses it for workout and life management—almost hitting the limits of its memory.

  “I just ran out of memory in ChatGPT... I had to go and delete memories.” — Jordan [71:04]

• AI Impact on Careers:
  Dani reads out a list of jobs least and most likely to be replaced by AI—nurse practitioners, choreographers, and therapists (least); interpreters, translators, and telephone operators (most).

  “You can never figure out how the barcode reads... always struggling right there.” — Jordan [79:58]

• The Limits of AI for Therapy:
  They discuss the potential (and pitfalls) of AI therapy, echo chambers, and the continued need for human counselors.

  “We as humans thrive and want human interaction... AI therapist is still not enough.” — Danny [73:46]

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Notable & Memorable Quotes

• “Connie baby hits different than Theo.” — Dani [21:28]
• “I truly feel like I could hang out with Theo Von one-on-one and it wouldn’t be weird.” — Dani [21:39]
• “It’s almost cruel and unusual punishment what they’re doing to us.” — Dani on The Summer I Turned Pretty [22:40]
• “It gives the obsession you only have one time in your life. You relive it.” — Ellie [43:54]
• “It's like emotional porn.” — Dani [54:22]
• "If we did it, it's adultery. But when you guys do it... we're just high school girls again." — Jordan [53:00]
• "I could see how for some, this would be unhealthy... but for me, it's like men's obsession with sports—skin in the game, but it doesn't affect me." — Dani [48:28]
• “You're my Conrad.” — Jordan, mock-exaggerating Dani’s fandom [55:51]
• “Sam Altman warns there's no legal confidentiality when using ChatGPT as a therapist.” — Dani [69:43]
• “If I smelled a can of Axe right now, I would go back to middle school and feel all the same things.” — Jordan [60:10]

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Additional Memorable Moments

• The group laughs about never finding their names on customized keychains due to unique spellings.
  [67:59]
• Jordan’s ongoing (and good-natured) jealousy toward Conrad Fisher and millennial women’s fandom.
  [46:51, 55:15]
• Dani’s empathy for Conrad—a fictional character—sparks a long, nuanced marital conversation about jealousy, attraction, and the difference between fantasy and reality.
• The back-and-forth on whether men could get away with similar emotional fixations on fictional female characters.
  [52:28–54:08]

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Takeaways

• Pop culture phenomena like The Summer I Turned Pretty are not just entertainment—they evoke deep emotions, nostalgia, and even marital debates.
• Media, AI, and influencer culture are increasingly intertwined with daily life, shaping how personal and social relationships play out.
• There's humor and real insight in how couples process jealousy, fantasy, and emotional safety, with a willingness in this episode to interrogate generational double standards.
• The episode is a fast-paced blend of genuine pop culture critique, personal storytelling, and relationship banter—unfiltered, relatable, and at times, hilariously meta.

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Recommended Listening for Timestamps

• True Crime & Rehabilitation Scams: 02:06–11:30
• Theo Von, Podcasting, and Parasociality: 11:30–22:23
• SITP Obsession and Yearning: 22:23–56:40
• AI in Therapy/Jobs: 69:24–79:20

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This episode is essential listening for anyone curious about why millennial women are currently obsessed with Conrad Fisher, as well as for those interested in thought-provoking takes on internet culture, relationships, and the intersection of fandom and real life.

Transcript

[Danny]

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[Jordan]

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[Danny]

Hello, and welcome back to your favorite podcast. De Influenced.

[Jordan]

I just found something out.

[Danny]

What happened?

[Jordan]

My favorite rapper.

[Danny]

Did he pass away?

[Jordan]

No, he was arrested last night for having pot.

[Danny]

That's so stupid.

[Jordan]

Big X the plug.

[Danny]

I thought it was legal to have pot now.

[Jordan]

Dallas rapper, you know?

[Danny]

Yeah, I thought it was legal.

[Jordan]

The article says that he had less than 2 ounces.

[Danny]

Well, is that. I think it's like, isn't it?

[Jordan]

I don't know what the limit is. No, not in Texas.

[Danny]

Oh, I thought it could.

[Jordan]

It does feel. I mean, like it feels a Little targeted to me.

[Danny]

I just feel like there's so many. Like, there's a lot of bad things. Like, can we focus on the guys that are coming up and down our streets stealing stuff out of our cars?

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Danny]

You know, this guy's just.

[Jordan]

He's just trying to rap.

[Danny]

He's just trying to rap. He's trying to get the creative juices flowing. Like. Like, seriously, just, like, leave him alone.

[Jordan]

Yeah. I mean, I was really shocked to hear this news because he had a big concert. I was going to go, but then.

[Danny]

I was like, where, where was it?

[Jordan]

Cash cow? I don't know. I've never heard of it.

[Danny]

I mean, you have to admit, like, the amount of crime that is going on, all the things that are going on. And like, this is. I'm sorry.

[Jordan]

Yeah, it's just also Eric Menendez.

[Danny]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

Denied release at parole hearing.

[Danny]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

I'm really just scrolling through your feed.

[Danny]

I think the Menendez brothers, like, I don't know. I mean, it was a great documentary slash movie, but, like, they did kill their parents. And, like, there are probably other ways to navigate that situation. No matter how poorly you've been treated, there's, you know.

[Jordan]

Did you always think they killed their parents?

[Danny]

They admit to it.

[Jordan]

Oh, that's right. That's right. That's right. It's not a question.

[Danny]

They're like, we killed our parents because they did bad things to us. And I'm like, I know. And that's not cool. I don't like that either. But, you know, there's other ways to get them in trouble. Instead of shooting them with a rifle over and over and over again, you know, Morbid.

[Jordan]

Yeah, the. I bet the court systems hate these, like, true crime documentaries because they're like, we have all the evidence, but these true crime documentaries are just spinning the story in such a way that gets the public all outraged. So really what it does, it just creates a lot of sometimes noise or.

[Danny]

Maybe sometimes there are people that, you know, are serving time for something they didn't do.

[Jordan]

What's been one true crime documentary where the person was actually innocent.

[Danny]

Okay, well, I. I think Adnan is so guilty, but, like, people think he's.

[Jordan]

Innocent, but he lost. He's still in jail.

[Danny]

I know. Oh, so where he actually got out?

[Jordan]

Yeah, like. Like one. Like, let's say that true crime is like the PR spin of criminals.

[Danny]

Karen Reed.

[Jordan]

Was that the recent one?

[Danny]

Uhhuh.

[Jordan]

So she got out.

[Danny]

Yeah. Wow.

[Jordan]

Just because of the full.

[Danny]

She had a mistrial the first time I go around. But like, without all the press, she probably would have had. Like, she would have been probably found guilty, I think. I don't know. Yeah. So, I mean, it. It helps O.J. simpson.

[Ellie]

They also help with cold cases.

[Danny]

Yeah, I. I like the. I like when. No, the crowdsource happens.

[Jordan]

Oh, no, no. It's a. It's a phenomenon.

[Danny]

Like, I hope that happens. If I ever, you know, that happens to me. I hope all. Everybody comes out and they're like, I saw it two. She was wearing orange. You know, I want you guys to get me out of my thing because I. I really won't do anything illegal unless my mom gives it to me. Then I've done a few illegal things. It's funny that I'm over here supporting this. This man with the marijuana. I don't smoke marijuana.

[Jordan]

She doesn't. She doesn't. She passes on.

[Danny]

I'm kind of straight edge these days.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Danny]

Especially since I have a child, but with child.

[Jordan]

Yeah, But I think that, you know, there's multiple people in your family that would.

[Danny]

I come from a family of criminals.

[Jordan]

That's a stretch. That's a stretch.

[Danny]

I'm literally. I'm. I'm teasing.

[Jordan]

She's obviously kidding. I'm like, stop.

[Danny]

Well, you know, I hit it. I feels like I.

[Jordan]

You know, what does it even mean.

[Danny]

Mic that I got when I was 17? Like, it gives me some street cred. It does. Like, I'm.

[Jordan]

But that's the only street cred you have? Because it's really.

[Danny]

I ran a yield sign violation one time.

[Jordan]

A yield sign, babe.

[Danny]

I got a yield sign violation because I didn't, like, slow down enough, which I'm just like, I still don't understand because to me, that's so subjective. Like, slowing down enough or, like, cutting someone off.

[Jordan]

I'm like, make a documentary.

[Danny]

Sometimes I feel like people try to dramatize the fact that they've been cut off. Like, you swerve in front of them and they're like. They hit. They hit the horn and they, like, stomp on the brake. They're like, oh, my gosh. I'm like, hello. Have you ever heard of defensive driving? You need to learn that.

[Jordan]

How about this? There was. There's an employee that we have, and she. She, like, accidentally rear ended someone because she was rear ended and this person in front of her didn't have insurance. So now the person in front of her is, like, suing her for, like, an exorbitant amount of money. And, like, the insurance companies, like, are used to this. They'll work it out, but it's, like, really stressful for her.

[Danny]

What a scam.

[Jordan]

It's a huge scam.

[Danny]

Scam. Have you heard about all the rehab centers in New Mexico that are taking advantage of the Native Americans and. Okay, well, let me tell you all about it. The Avon.

[Jordan]

Oh, okay.

[Danny]

No, it is a true scam. So Native Americans get, like, free insurance. I get a lot of, you know, cool perks. And so there's a lot in New Mexico, in California, and there are rehabs centers, like, basically these companies that say that they're rehabs, but they're really just like an office building or maybe just like, you know, they're not true, like, rehab centers. And they will go target, like, Native Americans that have drug and alcohol problems and offer them, like, free treatment. So they sign them up for their program, they get their Social Security number, and then these. These rehabs, quote, unquote, are charging the insurance company, like, millions of dollars on behalf of each Native American that they have signed up. So, like, I think apparently I. I could be off, but I think it was, like, it added up to, like, $20 billion.

[Jordan]

What?

[Danny]

Yeah, these rehab center. Rehab centers are so, like. I'm sorry. Like, I just. There's got to be a lot of, like, just. I know it's a.

[Jordan]

It's a tough, slimy. Yeah, for sure. For sure.

[Danny]

Yeah. So that. That's happening.

[Jordan]

Who did Theo Von have on his podcast to discuss this?

[Danny]

She's a journalist that covers. You would, like this episode. She's a journalist that covers, like, all types of the underground, like, world.

[Jordan]

I know her.

[Danny]

The Bond.

[Jordan]

Yeah. She has a Nat Geo show.

[Danny]

Oh, yes. Yeah.

[Jordan]

Called Trafficked.

[Danny]

Trafficked, yes. And so something. Huh. So like, her last. I think what she's been working on a lot is she's been interviewing or in, like, meeting up with assassins.

[Jordan]

Yes. The Karios.

[Danny]

Yes. And so they. She was like, it's so crazy because there's these assassins that, like, everybody knows about in, like, the underground. What did she call it? The black market.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Danny]

And in the black market, and it's just like, everybody knows. Oh, like you need a hitman. Like, you call George. And then so she goes and, like, she goes and meets up with these like, like hardcore assassins, like hitmen. And assassins are, like, most common in South.

[Jordan]

South America.

[Danny]

South America. But I almost want to say South Africa, but. No, but that's so different. So I really. I really. I really. I think South America.

[Jordan]

I don't think anyone's gonna check you on South America.

[Danny]

Oh, okay. South America.

[Jordan]

South America sounds right.

[Danny]

But I do want to. Yeah, not South Africa.

[Jordan]

I mean, there's. There's high crime in South Africa, too.

[Danny]

True. No, I do think it was South Africa. Can somebody just fact check me? Thank you. They're so different, but, you know, like, it's like I'm so close. Like, I'm almost smart.

[Jordan]

I watched one of her episodes, and it was Sicario's in, like, cartel Sicarios in Mexico.

[Danny]

No, no, it wasn't. Well, okay. South America. Okay, yeah, yeah, that makes sense. And so, yeah, she, like, goes in, and she was like, it's so crazy because these hitmen, like, one of them, like, lived, like, four streets down from her. Like, they just live, like, these normal lives.

[Jordan]

That's.

[Danny]

And they're like hitmen.

[Jordan]

She talks to him, right?

[Danny]

She talks to them and. But they're, like, scary. Like, they are, like. And she convinces. And she never has security, so she never, like. Because she's like, I need these people to trust me. And she went and met up with an assassin, and it was only a 15 minute interview because she was so scared. And he goes, listen. He walked into the interview and he had a gun. And he goes, listen, if I even see a police car drive by, I'm shooting every single person in this room. And she was like, listen, we have not called the police. But she was like, what if a police car just drives? Like. And so that's why they cut the interview. She was like, we only did 15 minutes. But, yeah, it was crazy. Like, she was like, you can hire a hitman in South America for, like. Like a thousand dollars. Yeah, like, they'll just kill someone for $1,000.

[Jordan]

You and I have very different opinions on Theo Vaughn's podcast. Danny loves it. I have a hard time making it through it because he's so awkward.

[Danny]

Cringe.

[Jordan]

Yeah, it's so cringe. Like, when he interviewed, like, and he interviews, like, Mark Zuckerberg or Joaquin Phoenix.

[Danny]

That was a hard one.

[Jordan]

It was so hard to listen to. Like, you know, like, whenever you have secondhand embarrassment for someone and you just want to leave the room, get up and leave. Yeah, that is how I feel the entire podcast.

[Danny]

He does really well with, like, comedians and people, like, kind of in the same industry, but when they are, like, politicians, actors, or, like, an industry that he's not as familiar with. Like, he just did an interview with a comedian. I loved the interview. It was so great. I didn't listen to the whole thing, but, like, those are my favorite because it's just like, him hanging out with, like. Like, vibing with another bro. And those are, like, the funniest because he feels the most comfortable. And he's really smart. Like, he is.

[Jordan]

No, he's smart.

[Danny]

He's smart. I mean, these jokes he has are so witty and hilarious, but.

[Jordan]

And part of his comedy is the awkwardness, too.

[Danny]

Well, part of his comedy is just the relatability of being like. And, like, he'll stop you and be like, okay, like, what does global population mean? Like, and then, like, the person will, like, you know, explain just, like, the most basic concepts, but honestly, sometimes he stops them and he says, like, can you explain this? And, like, I didn't know what they were talking about either.

[Jordan]

Right.

[Danny]

Just one of us was like, you know.

[Jordan]

He has a. A whole production team behind his podcast, too. Like, you can always hear them in the background. And I think he has, like. Because Joe Rogan. No, Joe Rogan talks about this. Like, we have two people sitting here in the future. One. And that's the. Similar as, like, Joe, too, where it's like, he has, like, one producer, but a lot of these comedians have, like, 20 people behind them doing this production.

[Danny]

Have that.

[Jordan]

Are you sure?

[Danny]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

You can tell that he has, like, a whole set and everything.

[Danny]

No, he only has, like, one guy. He's kind of like. Like Joe Rogan, where he kind of, like, has one guy that he goes to.

[Jordan]

I don't know if you're right, because.

[Danny]

I know that I'm right, because I listen to every episode. Like, I. I know.

[Jordan]

Oh, okay.

[Danny]

He has one guy.

[Jordan]

I'm wrong.

[Danny]

I mean, sometimes there might be more people, but he, like, talks to one guy.

[Jordan]

It just doesn't feel like he's picking his guest list, is what I would say. It feels like it's a production that is. Has a mind of its own, and it's like, Theo, you're gonna interview Walking Phoenix.

[Danny]

No, for sure. I think he has people signing up. But I'm just saying, like, I know what you mean. Like, the. The redheaded comedian. What's his friend? What's his name? Bad Friends. Is that the. The Bad Friends is the podcast.

[Jordan]

Oh.

[Danny]

With Andrew Santino. Andrew Santino and Bobby Lee.

[Jordan]

Yeah, Bobby.

[Danny]

It's a funny podcast, but they have, like, four guys that are always, like, piping in, you know, that are, like, literally, their heads are peeking through a window, and they just have commentary on everything. I. I think it would be fun.

[Jordan]

Are you still listening to Dax podcast?

[Danny]

No.

[Jordan]

No, not as much.

[Danny]

He did some things that just, like, I don't remember what it was, but I was just like, I'm kind of sick of you. You know, you just kind of rub me the wrong way for a day or two and then I'm just kind of over you.

[Jordan]

That's the Internet for you.

[Danny]

I don't know. He's just like, not that funny to me. But I like him.

[Jordan]

Well, he's more of a serious guy, right?

[Danny]

Yeah. I don't know, I just like. Theo just seems like such a normal guy.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Danny]

And I just like, want. Yeah, I just like, want him to win this off to College Season Save on college. Save on the everyday. I still remember one of the biggest rookie mistakes my freshman year. I thought I had everything ready until move in day when I realized I hadn't packed half the essentials. No extra chargers, no shower, shower caddy, not even laundry detergent. So instead of enjoying that first week of college, I was making three separate trips to the store just trying to get settled. College life is already stressful. Between finding out your class schedule, finding your way around campus, meeting new people, and just adjusting to being on your own for the first time, the the last thing you need is wasting time running around town trying to track down all these little things that you didn't know you would need. That's why Amazon is such a lifesaver. From spiral notebooks and desk organizers to snacks for those late night study sessions, they've got it all in one place and at prices that don't put a giant dent in your budget. Plus, with fast shipping, you can knock out your entire back to school shopping list without ever leaving your dorm or apartment. And honestly, Jordan and I rely on Amazon for everything. That is not just college shopping with our kids. It's backpacks, lunchboxes, pencils, even teachers gifts. Instead of dragging everyone from store to store, we can just click order and move on with our day. With Amazon, Amazon's everyday low prices and huge selection, you can actually find a little comfort in the chaos. Whether you're sending your kids back to school or heading off for college yourself. Trust me, I wish I had been smart enough to shop Amazon back in my college days. It would have saved me. I'm like, I don't know, back in my college, maybe Amazon was selling books. It would have saved me so much time, money and stress. So if you're heading off to college, don't make the same mistake I did. Shop off to college at Amazon. Save on college. Save on the everyday. We love you, Amazon.

[Jordan]

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[Danny]

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[Jordan]

I. I asked you a question about Theo. What was it? I'm like slightly obsessed in the car, but it's not. Here's the thing. And listen, we're happily married. It's not like a romantic. I was talking to you about this.

[Danny]

Because like so many girls are obsessed with Theo.

[Jordan]

Yes, but not in that way.

[Danny]

But you're like, I want to be like his best sister. Or like.

[Jordan]

Yes, exactly. Yes, exactly.

[Danny]

Like, no, but like, honestly, if I had a single friend, I would be like, you should date the Ovon. But then, you know, he, like, he did admit when he interviewed Mariana Van Zeller, that's the journalist, who was she? He was like, oh, yeah, well, you know, I'm a criminal too. And she was like, really? And he's like, yeah. You know, I've, you know, I've done drugs. I've, you know, sold some drugs to some young people. I've hired strippers and, you know, prostitutes and. But, you know, it wasn't anything crazy. Like they were having fun too. Like, you know, and then, and then I just saw him in such a different light and. But he's. I feel like he, that's like the old Theo. And I do feel like he's working on a new Theo. So I try to connect with new Theo when I think he had a really crazy past.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Danny]

Which is what makes him so likable is because you're like, you're, you know, you. You had a crazy past and now you're trying to become better. Like we, we all do. I mean, look at me. I had Mic when I was 17. Like, you know, I get it, I get it. Theo, I've been there.

[Jordan]

But he's. I think the way I asked you was like, he's kind of friend zoned, probably by a lot of females.

[Danny]

Yeah. But he kind of puts himself there. I feel like he's insecure when it comes to girls.

[Jordan]

No, he admits that.

[Danny]

Yeah, he's. He's Insecure. He puts himself in that friend zone. But. But he's, like, super famous.

[Jordan]

No, I know. Like, when you talk about, like, Jeremiah or Conrad and you're like, I'm obsessed with him.

[Danny]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

It hits different.

[Danny]

Connie baby hits different than the theater.

[Jordan]

It hits different than when you'. I'm obsessed with Theovon. I'm like, ah, that's okay.

[Danny]

No, I just. Yeah. Yeah.

[Jordan]

Like, do you know what I mean?

[Danny]

Totally. Like, I. I truly feel like I could hang out with the ova in, like, 101 and one on one and it, like, wouldn't be weird.

[Jordan]

Right. And that's what the. Like, that's what guys always joke about. They're like, my wife could get drunk at a bar and I would send Theo to, like, pick her up with, like, no questions at all.

[Danny]

But don't send Connie baby. Yeah, Connie baby. Whatever you do. Yeah. I mean, the obsession is Connie Conrad. Yes. Okay. The obsession with the Summer I Turned Pretty is just. It's. It's out of this world. It's. It's Almost equivalent to October 3rd, Taylor Swift's album coming out, like, the excitement. But people are pissed.

[Jordan]

Do they release episodes weekly?

[Danny]

Yeah, every Wednesday. Okay, so people are pissed. Pissed. I mean, pissed about the last couple of episodes that have come out with the Samurai Turn Pretty. I mean, what they are doing to us, it's almost cruel and unusual punishment. Unusual?

[Jordan]

Are you. Are you. Can you say it without giving spoilers away?

[Danny]

I mean, first of all, if you. If you watch the semi Turn Pretty, like, you've already watched it. It's comes on a Wednesday and it's Friday, like, there. If I'm giving you a spoiler, then you're not a true fan. So I'm just going to talk about it.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Danny]

Spoiler alert.

[Jordan]

What happened this week that sent the Internet into a frenzy?

[Danny]

It's just like you. You know, this is the third season. And so you have. First of all, it's set up just like a 90s scene. Like the 90s. It reminds us all so much of our childhood. So, like, you have Connie baby that looks exactly like Leonardo DiCaprio. I mean, dresses like the Full House Dad 90s. Get up. Denim on denim. Watch the dad shoes. And just. He is. You have Jeremiah, who is like a total toot. And then you have Conrad, who is just like every. Like every girl's dream. The only thing about this show is the boys could afford to put on a little bit of weight. They're a little skinny in the show, and it's a little off putting, like, both of them. Honestly, Like, I don't. I don't know. Like, I don't like the fact that I feel like if I sat on your lap, I would squish you. You know, that's. That's a little unattractive. But they're like, tall. They're both like, he's like. They're both pretty decent guys. But Conrad is just like, like, he's like. He's like dad material, you know? And so all of us millennials, because we see through all of like the high school drama crap, we're like, this man is. Should be your baby daddy. Like, this man is like. So we just fall in love emotionally with this guy. Like, oh, it's like such an emotional connection that it, it. It's so much that, like when I watch the episode, like, it will bring me to tears. What I'm feeling.

[Jordan]

What are you feeling?

[Danny]

I'm feeling so bad for so this last episode. So basically the whole situation is that she grows up in this house with. She's like family friends with this family. They have a lake house essentially, or beach house we're at. It's a made believe. It's supposed to be like a Nantucket kind of like, setting, but it's make believe. It's called Cousins Beach. She grows up with this family and these two boys and then her brother. So it's like her and three boys and. And it's called the Summer I Turned Pretty because she's always been this kind of like nerdy girl that just like plays with the boys. But then there's this summer where she kind of like blossoms and she gets pretty and all the. And both of the brothers are like, wait, what the heck? And they call her Belly. Her name's like Isabel. They call her Belly.

[Jordan]

So Conrad and Jeremiah are brothers?

[Danny]

Yes.

[Jordan]

Interesting.

[Danny]

They're brothers and blood brothers or. Yeah, blood brothers. And so the whole show is basically like coming of age, you know, I love those movies and her falling in love with both of the brothers and dating. She dates one brother and then he treats her horribly. So then she dates the other brother and then she's with this Jeremiah who she's with for I think five years. All through college. She's. But Conrad, the original that she dated in high school, never got over her. So he has. He moves and he like goes to med school. At U. S? No, at Stanford. He's in California across the country. She's living with Jeremiah going through college. And then. But then what happens is there would be moments where like, she would go back home for Christmas, and Jeremiah would have to stay for work or whatever, and Conrad would come back home for Christmas. And so they hadn't seen each other for, like, four years. And then she's reminded, oh, my gosh, I actually love Conrad, the other brother. So it's like, basically a love triangle.

[Jordan]

This is going to tear these brothers apart.

[Danny]

No, they hate each other. They hate each other, like, because they're both in love with the same girl, but just one brother is so much better than the other brother.

[Jordan]

What are their. What are their parents saying?

[Danny]

And I think that. So his parents. His mom passed away, and then his dad's, like, a total doucher. So, like. So it's a. It's. It's. Yeah, they don't really have a lot of, like, parental guidance anymore because they don't have, like, the. You know. And then Belly has her mom, but her parents are divorced.

[Jordan]

And when did their mom die? Like, young.

[Danny]

When. Like, during the show.

[Jordan]

Oh, man.

[Danny]

So that's why Conrad originally, who. She was dating Conrad originally. Who's, like, the better choice? He, like, they broke up because his mom had just passed away and he was going through a lot. Like, he just couldn't be what Belly needed. And they're, like, in high school at this time's Belly. Her name's Isabel, but they call her Belly.

[Jordan]

Oh.

[Danny]

And so, yeah, it's like a nickname because, like, that's what they called her when they. She was little, you know, Belly, Belly, whatever. And then she grew up in the, like, Belly, like.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Danny]

And so. So, yeah, basically it's this love triangle. And the whole time the audience is like, Conrad. Like, look at Conrad. He loves you. And. And he's, like, doing all these amazing things for her behind the scenes just because he, like, loves her.

[Jordan]

He washes dishes. Yeah.

[Danny]

Oh, when he palm that bowl. Anybody else see that? Oh, my God.

[Jordan]

I haven't seen it. But if I, like, when I open up Instagram, I'm always logged in, and it's just like, my whole feed, it's like seven different versions of him washing this dish. And I'm honestly at this time, trying to understand. And I'm like, what? And it's like all these, like, fan accounts, like, cut it to music and stuff.

[Ellie]

It's fan edits.

[Danny]

Yeah, they're amazing. Oh, my God.

[Jordan]

The fan edits are pretty wild. I mean, it almost got me to watch the show, but then I was like, this is a little too much.

[Danny]

I was like, jordan, can. I was like, can you just watch this one episode, like I'll explain it to you. And he was like, no, absolutely.

[Jordan]

Here's the thing though is do you really want me to watch it with you? Because it feels like it, it, it feels like for females it's kind of this like no, I want somebody to.

[Danny]

Talk to about hurts so much like when I watch and like it like I need somebody to talk to about it.

[Jordan]

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[Danny]

This off to college season. Save on college, save on the everyday. I still remember one of the biggest rookie mistakes my freshman year. I thought I had ready until move in day when I realized I hadn't packed half the essentials. No extra chargers, no shower, shower caddy, not even laundry detergent. So instead of enjoying that first week of college, I was making three separate trips to the store just trying to get settled. College life is already stressful. Between finding out your class schedule, finding your way around campus, meeting new people, and just adjusting to being on your own for the first time, the last thing you need is wasting time running around town trying to track down all these little things that you didn't know you would need. That's why Amazon is such a lifesaver. From spiral notebooks and desk organizers to snacks for those late night study sessions, they've got it all in one place and at prices that don't put a giant dent in your budget. Plus, with fast shipping, you can knock out your entire back to school shopping list without ever leaving your dorm or apartment. And honestly, Jordan and I rely on Amazon for everything that is not just college shopping with our kids. It's backpacks, lunchboxes, pencils, even teachers gifts. Instead of dragging everyone from store to store, we can just click, order and move on with our day with Amazon. Amazon's everyday low prices and huge selection, you can actually find a little comfort in the chaos, whether you're sending your kids back to school or heading off for college yourself. Trust me, I wish I had been smart enough to shop Amazon back in my college days. It would have saved me. I'm like, I don't know, back in my college days, maybe Amazon was selling books. It would have saved me so much time, money and stress. So if you're heading off to college, don't make the same mistake I did. Shop off to college at Amazon. Save on college. Save on the everyday. We love you Amazon. You know, it's always been a little bittersweet when summer comes to an end. On one hand, I'm so sad that our days by the pool are over. But there's also something really nice about getting back into a routine. With the kids going back to school, we are already starting to settle into our weekly routines. Sports, all the things. I honestly can't believe that the fall season is already almost here. Personally, I'm so ready for this 100 degree weather to go away. It is hot in Texas. Fall feels like a great reset and I love decorating our home for the holidays. This time of year always inspires me to do a full home refresh, get organized and make sure our home feels nice and cozy. And honestly, Wayfair makes that so easy. They've got everything in one place, from bedding and linens to storage solutions for every room in the house. You can even refresh your workspace with desks, bookcases, and office chairs. Or pick up quality cookware that makes weeknight dinners a breeze. For us, this fall is extra special because it's our first fall season in the lake house. So we decided it was time for a little little refresh. We picked out some throws, pillows and cozy blankets from Wayfair just to make the space feel warmer and more inviting. It's amazing how these little touches can instantly make the whole place feel like fall. And what I love about Wayfair is how easy it all is. Delivery was fast, hassle free, and everything came right to our door. Now we're not just preparing for the fall season, we're actually excited about it. Wayfair makes it so simple to get your home ready for the season ahead. Whether that's updating your kids rooms before school starts, grabbing storage to tuck away all that summer gear, or just making your living room the cozy hub for family time. So if you're ready to get back into the routine you love, refresh your home this fall with Wayfair.

[Jordan]

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[Danny]

Okay, like, so this last episode, basically, finally, she's about to marry Jeremiah. They go out on their.

[Jordan]

Like, Mary.

[Danny]

Yeah, so they got engaged when they were in college, okay? And so Conrad, he cheated on her first. Well, he cheated on her on spring break. And then, like, basically whenever she tried to break up with him, they got back together. And he's like. He's like, no, like, Belly, I'm. I'm in love with you, actually. Will you marry me? So, like, you know, when a breakup leads to, like, an engagement, it's like that kind of thing. And so, so then Conrad. So, like, this whole season has just been Conrad moping and, like, trying to get over Belly because he's marrying his brother. She's marrying his brother, and he cannot get over her. So finally, at the bachelorette party where she's about to marry Jeremiah. The next day, Conrad finds out that his brother cheated on Belly and. And finally musters up the courage to tell Belly how he actually feels. And so they're on the beach, and Jeremiah has just been, like, a total party playboy, whatever, and on the beach, he's like. He, like, basically, like, begs her. He's like, belly, like, I've loved you this whole time. Like, please don't marry him. Marry me. Be with me. And she goes. And, like, we're all like, yeah.

[Ellie]

It's like, this is that moment.

[Danny]

It's gonna happen. And she goes, you'll never be what Jeremiah is to me. You'll never treat me the way Jeremiah treats me. Because he broke her heart so bad in high school because his mom had just passed away. So she's kind of like. She's like, I can't ever go back to you because of what you did to me was so painful that, like, Jeremiah's never. Because that's. That's because she doesn't really love Jeremiah. So the pain isn't as bad with Jeremiah, because she, like, loves Conrad. See, I'm telling you, you're so into this already and, like, you haven't even seen it.

[Jordan]

I feel like I have, though. That was so descriptive. I feel like I'm there.

[Danny]

So, like, he's, like, begging for her on the beach and she's like, so mean to him back. So that's why all of us are like, we're gonna freaking tear down our TVs and throw them into the pool. Like, because we're so sick of this. Like, we're so sick of them not being together.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Danny]

And then they had.

[Jordan]

Okay, so first of all, can I say something? I think you. You posted like, a story that was like, I'm gonna break my TV into a million pieces. Got a lot of DMS of people thinking that you were actually just tuning out, like, mainstream media and things like that. Like, they totally were. Like, danny girl. Yes. Like, I'm not giving my kids screens either. Like, total misinterpretation of the message because they didn't know. Like, they clearly didn't watch the show.

[Danny]

Oh.

[Jordan]

So they. They were operating in a totally different. They were like, this is why this is my favorite influencer. She's. No, screens too.

[Danny]

Like, the summer I tore my TV off the wall and broke it into a million pieces is what I said.

[Jordan]

They. They did it.

[Danny]

And then. But I did say if, you know. You know, cuz I wanted people to be like, it's an inside joke, but I guess they didn't get it. Yeah. So. But the other thing is, is like, okay, so that's all that happened this last episode. But the episode prior was the episode where Conrad cut his leg. Oh, Mama Tutunana. I mean, it was heated, like, you know, oh, my gosh. Okay, so he cuts his leg. Okay. And there's so much tension between the two because they really do love each other. But, like, they. They can't because she's engaged to his brother, but his. But Jeremiah, her fiance, is out in wherever. At New York, like, working, you know, and so she. Because they're about to move in together, she moves into the lake house or the beach house, and Conrad is staying there because he's about to start work again. So they just cross over. So they're living together. Like when they. When he secretly. Like they secretly kind of love each other, but they can't, you know, so there's.

[Jordan]

Seems really, really unhealthy.

[Danny]

Yeah. There's this one scene where Conrad cuts his leg and there's blood everywhere. You Know, and he's like, going. He goes up to the bathroom, and Belly's like, let me help you. And he's like, no, I'm gonna. And then Billy's like, no, let me help you, baby. And so she sits and, like, straddles the. The bathtub while he's, like, in pain. And he, like, kind of like, just like, let's go. And it's just like puts his head on her shoulder. And then they have this, like, steamy moment where, you know, he looks up and they make eye contact and there's water drip from his hair. And it was just like. All the girls are like, we're like, oh, my God. Like, it was just like, oh, all of the emotions.

[Jordan]

Wow.

[Danny]

It's. Oh, my gosh. Like, and that was like, the funniest was, like, watching people's reactions. Like, people, like, underneath this. The, you know, cover, screaming into their pillows because, like, that's how we all feel.

[Jordan]

Like, if there was like a.

[Danny]

That's why I want you to watch it with me. So I can have somebody scream in their pillow with.

[Jordan]

If there was a word to describe this feeling that this show elicits from you, it's very similar to what. Yeah. What Taylor Swift elicits from you too.

[Danny]

Yeah. And they played false God during the. They played false God during the scene.

[Jordan]

What's that?

[Danny]

Just get away with this religion.

[Jordan]

Is that a Taylor Swift song?

[Danny]

Yes.

[Jordan]

So.

[Danny]

Oh, my God. Do you want to watch the scene really fast?

[Jordan]

No, no, I'm good.

[Danny]

I've seen it like 84 times.

[Jordan]

I'm good. I'll catch up on the fan.

[Danny]

The water drip. The water drip from his hair. I mean, like, the timing and the way that they light his eyes on. I mean, it is just. And you know, like, she's just like, not talk.

[Ellie]

Like, she goes non verbal. She forgets where she is. And I'm like, me too, girl.

[Danny]

Me too. Like, it's so crazy. Like, what is happening to all of us millennials apparently, Like, Gen Z doesn't even, like, like, this show.

[Ellie]

That is so not true.

[Danny]

Oh, really? No, we love this show. Okay. Okay.

[Ellie]

I think it's bringing us together. Like, I think it's really bonding the girls.

[Danny]

It's like when Taylor Swift started promoting the NFL with Travis Kelce. It's like bringing same emotion.

[Jordan]

What is this emotion?

[Danny]

I don't know. What do you think? I don't know.

[Jordan]

Like, is it like teen romance?

[Danny]

It.

[Ellie]

Yeah, it is nostalgic.

[Danny]

Like, even for me.

[Ellie]

Like, I feel like this is the first show In a long time.

[Danny]

It's like first love, maybe. Yeah.

[Ellie]

Like, it's bringing back, like, I feel like. I.

[Jordan]

See. Like, this is the weirdest thing. Y' all can't even. You can't even talk.

[Danny]

It's like, you can't even speak about this.

[Ellie]

I really can't.

[Danny]

Like, my heart. Because I think. Yeah.

[Ellie]

Because it really does remind me of, like, being in love for the first time and how you're doing. Just so obsessed with them.

[Danny]

Yeah, maybe. And it's like.

[Ellie]

I don't know.

[Danny]

I don't know. Like, it. Like, it's emotional. They, like. Yeah.

[Ellie]

It's a yearning.

[Jordan]

It's like.

[Ellie]

And you're literally, like, be together.

[Danny]

But it's so emotional.

[Jordan]

Yearning is a good word.

[Ellie]

It's such a. Yeah. I think deep down in every girl's heart, we just want somebody to, like, we want to feel that yearn.

[Danny]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like, you can't. Like, you. Like, you can't breathe.

[Ellie]

Without you. Yes.

[Jordan]

Okay. Can I ask you this, though? So all these millennial women that are probably happily married.

[Danny]

No, they are. That's what's so funny about it.

[Jordan]

Hold on, let me finish. Happily married with men who probably wash the dishes and palm bowls.

[Danny]

Like, not like this, though.

[Jordan]

That's what I'm saying is that I'm just so confused because it's like. That's why I want to know what.

[Danny]

The most these boys are like. Boys? Like, they're not.

[Ellie]

Conrad's my age. He has a girlfriend. They're very committed. But if they weren't.

[Danny]

No, but that's the thing is, like, it's not like that, like, because they're like bait. They're like boys. It's. It's the situation.

[Ellie]

Like, I swear, it's a. It evokes the emotions of being, like, 19 and your first love. And you're like, Everything they do.

[Danny]

You're just like, yeah. Oh, my God. Like, yeah. Yeah. You're just.

[Ellie]

It gives the obsession that you only have one time in your life.

[Danny]

Yeah. You almost, like, relive it or something. I don't know. Yeah, we need, like, a psychologist.

[Jordan]

Yeah, there. There really should be, like, a study.

[Danny]

It is weird because that was what all the, like, the reels are about. It's like, we're all, like, married with four children. Happily married, love our husbands. And we're all like.

[Ellie]

I literally sent one to Danny, and it was like, lady. And she was like, I'm married. I have two kids. And then it's like, me after episode seven, and she was Running across the yard, dreaming.

[Danny]

Literally. I was like, that's so.

[Jordan]

It's. Yeah, it's funny because whatever that word is, let's call it yearning. That if a musician, a television show, a brand, a movie, very few people can elicit that. If you can elicit that, you will have a fandom so powerful that they will never leave you.

[Danny]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

Like, it's the craziest.

[Danny]

It's like Twilight, I would say the last time I became obsessed with something like this was probably Twilight with Jacob and Edward, honestly, like, the love triangle.

[Ellie]

The only thing that's made me feel similarly to this is, like, the fantasy books that everybody's obsessed with lately.

[Danny]

Like, I don't know, like, a guitar or, like, whatever.

[Ellie]

Like, right now I'm reading Fourth Wing, and it's like, between Fourth Wing and the Summer I Turned Pretty, I literally told my therapist. I was like, I think maybe I should really reach out to my ex boyfriend. And she was like, what are you watching? What are you reading? And I told her, and she goes, I'm not gonna lie. We've heard that.

[Jordan]

We've kind of.

[Danny]

Oh, wow. Yeah.

[Jordan]

What's. So what. What is Acotar again? We had this conversation way long ago in the episodes. So, like, the question I have for females struggling with this yearning disease is, do you think it's healthy? The other guy in the room is, like, shaking his head. This is an excellent question. Do you think it's healthy?

[Danny]

I think it. Okay. But here's the thing. I feel like Taylor Swift in her Songs elicits, like, 10 of what we're feeling with Conrad.

[Ellie]

I think if you're in the mix of the emotions and you're listening to Taylor Swift, you're like. You feel it so hard. But then I think for, like, the rest of your life, you don't feel it like that. Like, it's like that 10. Whereas I feel like with this, we're all, like, we're feeling it.

[Danny]

I just think it's like, just being invested in somebody else's story, but it doesn't really affect my story. Yeah, I don't want to, like, make out with Conrad. Like. Like, first of all. No. But, like, I. But honestly, I felt that way with Edward and Jacob. I didn't think that they were like that. No, I know. Whatever. But you're just invested in Bella's question, story reaction. You're rooting for them.

[Jordan]

Serious question. You're in your first trimester. You don't even really want to make out with me right now. Do you think if you watch this in your second trimester, you potentially would want to make out with Conrad.

[Danny]

No.

[Jordan]

But she said yes.

[Ellie]

Well, I'm single.

[Jordan]

Okay, True, true, true, true, true, true.

[Ellie]

Yeah, I'm single, 27. And Conrad's. In real life. Conrad is my age.

[Jordan]

We. We had the same conversation around Acotar, and it was like, people got so caught up in the fantasy of it.

[Danny]

It. Yeah.

[Jordan]

That it is a girl.

[Danny]

That's what girls do.

[Jordan]

That's what girls do.

[Danny]

We get caught up in the emotional side of it.

[Jordan]

The emotional side.

[Danny]

This is why I could see why. How some females or wives would be like, well, why doesn't he try, like, go fight for me like he fought for him? Or, like, why, like, Connie's doing? But honestly, I feel like what Conrad does is setting a good example for 100 for how a hundred a boyfriend should be.

[Jordan]

But here's the craziest thing. Listen, I haven't watched the show is, like, if you explain the show to me, okay? And you didn't tell me who she chose. So you've got this guy who's, like, doing the dishes, like, doing all the right things.

[Danny]

Med school.

[Jordan]

In med school. And then you've got this, like, toxic, you know, like, out partying, cheated on her type of guy. If you asked me who that girl would have chose, I'd been like, Jeremiah 100.

[Danny]

Wait, what? In the show or in real life?

[Jordan]

In the show. Right. But what I'm saying is, like, it. What I'm trying to connect the dots to is, like.

[Danny]

But he's, like, the under God, the underdog. So we're, like, rooting for the underdog, too.

[Jordan]

I know, but in real life, I feel like it's like, what am I trying to say?

[Ellie]

You're saying, like, in real life, you think they would.

[Danny]

Are you jealous? Is that what you're trying to get across? I think he's jealous.

[Ellie]

So many terms.

[Jordan]

I'm not. I'm not jealous. I'm. I'm. Okay, so I'm first asking the question, is this healthy? Then I'm asking the question of, like, most of you millennial females probably have husbands that are doing those.

[Danny]

Can I be honest? I would say it's similar to, like, when guys are obsessed with the sport and whether they win or not. Yeah. And they're like, so, like, it'll like, ruin their day, the entire day, if, like, this team beats this team. And it's like, oh, my gosh, like, the Buckeyes beat the Longhorns. Like, I can't eat for Two days. Like, boys get, like, depressed. Some boys feel, like, depressed over their favorite teams losing and, like, that amount of, like, emotion, and you're like, like, I want skin in the game. You want it so bad and has nothing to do with you. Like, you're not a football player. You've never played football in your life. But, like, you're obsessed with this thing that isn't even really about you. I think that's why it's also kind of like, it's, like, really fun, and it doesn't feel unhealthy because it has nothing to do with me.

[Jordan]

Yeah, that's like, I see that.

[Danny]

Like, it's so far removed from me, and, like, no matter what happens, it doesn't affect my personal life.

[Jordan]

Okay, but let me ask you this. So I agree with you and I believe you, but let's say you are the healthy version. Don't you think that there's a way to play with this type of fire where it could get unhealthy? Even if you're, like, happily married, it could create. What's the word? Like, comparison or idolatry or something like that. Like, just getting too wrapped up into the fantasy. And maybe I'm wrong. I'm just asking the question.

[Ellie]

I feel like, though, you get that, like, as a girl who's dating, at least I feel like you get that all the time. Like, even when I was in a happy, healthy relationship, I was constantly comparing, like, oh, this is what on social media looks like the perfect couple. Like, for sure. Whereas, like, with. With this, I feel like it's eliciting an emotion that we can't explain to you guys.

[Danny]

I have to be honest. I feel like early on in marriage, like, I had to quite. I had to quit watching the Bachelor. Like, I could not watch the Bachelor because I was, like, always comparing my lifestyle to these girls that were, like, kind of my age, and I was like, oh, my gosh. Like, I just can't relate. Like, that's, like, what they're doing is so and so. I just was like, I don't want to, like, consume that anymore. But I think as you get, like, further along in your marriage and you're like, I like you. I truly think, like, I don't know if every marriage works this way, but I truly feel, like, not to get, like, mushy, but I feel like we, like, fall in love with each other more each year, and I think that's just natural because, like, when you get married, you really don't know each other, you know? But Then you go through all these, like, really big life things, and then you're like, wait, I love them even more. Like, I respect them even more. Oh, my gosh. They're even more. Like, there's. There was. There was, like, always a meaning behind all of this, and there's so much. So, like, to me, it doesn't even feel like I'm playing with fire or something, because I'm so, like, confident in my marriage.

[Jordan]

No.

[Danny]

Or, like, not marriage, but, like, relationship or my status or where I'm. So I could see, though, if I was single or, like, even newly married.

[Jordan]

Or unhappily married or have resentments in my marriage that this would be very dangerous.

[Danny]

Yeah, I could see that. I could see that. And. But I think it's like the same thing with, like, men becoming obsessed with. Obsessed with sports. It's like, that could be unhealthy obsession, too, when you should be obsessed with, like, being a good dad, you know?

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Ellie]

But I also will say too, like, Conrad was not all good. Like, people were rooting for Jeremiah in the first season because he makes mistakes too. That's why I like this show.

[Danny]

No, I'm honest.

[Ellie]

Like, the balance of, like, a relationship where it's like, that's gonna have a push and pull, which is more realistic.

[Danny]

No, I think, honestly, like, it. I think the way that the books were written, it probably would have been like, I. I know with Twilight, it was like very 50 50. Like, you were either Team Edward or Jacob. Like, I think the way the books were written, it's actually supposed to be more 50 50. But I think because Jeremiah is not a very good actor, people love Conrad. Like, I. I think that's truly why. Is just because Jeremiah's acting skills are just a little bit more cringy and Conrad is a really good actor. And so. But I think if we would have read the books, it would have been like, more 50 50, because they both do have, like, good qualities about them. And technically, when he cheated on her, they had broken up. So, like, they had broken up and then he went on spring break and, like, slept with another girl, and then they got back together. So he never actually kind of cheated on her. But, like, here's a good.

[Ellie]

He didn't tell her she was going to Cabo, which is crazy.

[Danny]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

Here's a good thought exercise. If there was a show about a guy who was struggling to choose between two females, and, like, me and the other male podcast producer in the room were, like, hyper invested and we were critiquing and we were like, this is why she's amazing. Look at the hair. The. The water dripping from her hair and how she. He just. She rests on his shoulder and we were doing the exact same thing.

[Danny]

Yeah, I kill you. Yeah.

[Jordan]

No, for real. That's. My whole point is, like, I think that it would elicit some type of. Wait a second, why am I not good enough response. But when you guys do it and you get caught up into your yearning or whatever we're going to call it, it's like, so innocent. And it's like we're just high school girls again. But, like, if we did it, it's like, that's adultery. That's idolatry. You're coveting another woman, et cetera. So that's my point. It's like, I'm just trying to get.

[Danny]

Okay, I see what you did there.

[Ellie]

I see what you did there. But I feel like with us, we're talking more about, like, the emotions of it all and, like, the feeling that, like, these scenes are making us feel like.

[Danny]

No, I. I'm definitely talking like.

[Jordan]

Yeah, me too.

[Danny]

Okay.

[Jordan]

I'm just saying, like, oh, my gosh. Like, she's amazing. She reminds me of my first love. She's like. She's. She's got the water. Did you see how she was cooking and had the apron on and washed the dishes? I'd be like, she's such a trad wife. I love her.

[Danny]

I tear the TV off the wall for a different reason. Yeah, yeah. I mean, I get it. Maybe it's a double standard. Sorry, we suck.

[Ellie]

Okay, whatever.

[Danny]

We can't have one thing. Yeah, I mean, it's just like. Yeah, I mean, I just.

[Jordan]

Listen, all I'm trying to do on this podcast is it sounds like I'm doing. If you take the sample size of this room, there's two females.

[Danny]

It's like emotional porn.

[Jordan]

Yes, that's. And that's. That's the exact conversation we had around Acotar too, is like, it was like, emotional porn. And so my.

[Danny]

My feel something. I don't.

[Ellie]

It's just nice to feel those.

[Jordan]

And here I feel so. And I'm sitting here and I'm like, I am loyal every single day, like a golden retriever. I'm making you honey butter chicken biscuits for breakfast.

[Danny]

You're making chicken pot pie for yourself. Chicken and dumplings for you.

[Jordan]

Okay, I think I've made my point, but I think that with the phenomenon of the summer I turned pretty for females, there is a equal phenomenon. I can tell just by the male producers reactions and head nods to my comments of men being like, the hell I am, Conrad.

[Ellie]

But have you guys watched it? Either of you?

[Jordan]

No.

[Ellie]

Okay, so then I feel like if.

[Danny]

You watched it together, you would get into it. And that's the beauty of it. Like, the couples that are. There's a lot of men that are, like, into it.

[Ellie]

I'm like, yes, that's what I want.

[Danny]

That's why I wanted you to read acotar too, because I was like, I want us to talk about this together, because I. I truly think if you gave it a chance, it's like the same thing. When you have gotten into the Bachelor or you have gotten into something, we would cheer them on together.

[Jordan]

Like, I agree there might be an element that I don't understand, but I have not watched the show. But I also have not watched.

[Danny]

Gave it a shot.

[Jordan]

I have also not watched my wife watch the show and come and give me a big bear hug after and said, you're my Conrad. It's always like, Conrad, the drift, the hair drips, the palming of the ball.

[Danny]

I never told you about any of that. It just showed up on my feed. The feed? Yeah.

[Ellie]

Wait, you can't not watch the show and then go on the feed and judge off the feed because the feed is all edit.

[Danny]

Yeah.

[Ellie]

And that's not her fault. That's just anybody's feed right now.

[Jordan]

To be clear, I am not jealous of this fictional character, Conrad.

[Danny]

Obviously you are.

[Jordan]

I'm. I'm. I'm touching. I'm touching a phenomenon that all of us husbands are feeling right now.

[Danny]

Okay. I'm just saying, then you better have never watched porn in your life.

[Jordan]

Okay. I'm trying to figure out how we. We got there.

[Danny]

I'm saying, because if it's emotional porn. But then it's gonna be a double standard if a guy's like, oh, my gosh, you did that one time. But they were watching porn every single day in high school.

[Jordan]

This is. This is how Danny reacts to double standards.

[Ellie]

I just.

[Jordan]

That was the curveball.

[Ellie]

Y' all can be obsessed with sports and want us to get into sports. We can want you to get into our literary.

[Jordan]

Listen. We're gonna listen.

[Danny]

We want me to read about World War II again. Oh, my gosh. I'm over here trying to tell you about these journalists that are finding assassins. Try to get on your level.

[Jordan]

Oh, that was good. We should honestly wrap the podcast there.

[Danny]

No, we have a little bit more to go.

[Ellie]

You should watch it. I would love to.

[Jordan]

Yeah. I'LL watch it.

[Danny]

You said no.

[Ellie]

I would love to hear.

[Danny]

We're watching Lost.

[Ellie]

I would love to hear, dad. Jordan.

[Danny]

So over Lost now on Jeremiah.

[Jordan]

You're so over Lost. We have three episodes.

[Danny]

The fact that they're talking about monsters, I just. Something not really into monsters.

[Jordan]

You don't even know if it's a monster.

[Danny]

I can tell it's a monster. And something's weird about that John Slade character. Character.

[Jordan]

John Locke.

[Danny]

Whatever. Okay, let me see what I have.

[Jordan]

What else are you learning about?

[Danny]

I've been learning a lot about Botox in your armpits and magnesium spray for BO which I don't think I can do the Botox in your armpit while you're.

[Jordan]

Hold on. Why would you get Botox in your armpit?

[Danny]

Apparently, it makes you not stink anymore.

[Jordan]

To get.

[Danny]

It helps with BO but apparently magnesium sprayed us too, so I ordered some.

[Jordan]

So does that mean that you don't sweat as much? Like it clogs your sweat glands? Because that can't be good for you.

[Danny]

Look up the science behind it. We'll look up what it does. But apparently people do that.

[Jordan]

I bet the Maha moms hate this.

[Danny]

Well, it is, kind of, because not.

[Jordan]

Only are you talking about Botox, but you're also clogging your sweat glands with.

[Danny]

The toxins with tox.

[Jordan]

Oh, they probably.

[Ellie]

I don't know. My best friend's mom is Maha, and she's the one who suggested it for me. I think you get to a point where it's like something has to be done.

[Jordan]

You smell that bad.

[Ellie]

You smell. And you sweat that bad.

[Jordan]

Oh, I've never met a girl that.

[Danny]

Sweat or be.

[Ellie]

It's for both.

[Danny]

I'm pretty sure.

[Ellie]

Wait, let me get the science, babe.

[Danny]

I think I'm like. I feel like I'm a sneaky person.

[Jordan]

Yeah. When you wake up. But it's not fair. It's not fair. You're. You're.

[Danny]

You're.

[Jordan]

Your heart. Your hormones have been pumping for six years.

[Danny]

It's because my. My night sweats.

[Jordan]

Yeah. It's not fair. It's. I. And listen, I'm. I'm not gonna fault you for it.

[Danny]

Thank you, babe.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Ellie]

Butox reduces underarm sweating by blocking nerve signals that trigger sweat glands.

[Danny]

That can't be good.

[Jordan]

Yeah, it doesn't sound great.

[Danny]

Well, I think there's a give and.

[Jordan]

Take, a push and pull figure, but. So girls struggle with BO this much. Wow.

[Danny]

I'm gonna. I would probably like.

[Jordan]

Have you guys heard of Ax the spray can? Because that really got Us through middle school. But that's the thing.

[Ellie]

Like, my best friend was doing all of that, and her mom was like, yeah, we're done.

[Jordan]

She's in. Oh, God.

[Ellie]

She was using, like, boys. It's like a normal problem. Like, when I was on the cheer team, a lot of the girls had to use men's deodorant. Didn't work, huh?

[Danny]

I've always. I. I used the ax. Like, the chocolate fragrance, whatever. My whole, like, literally up until we got married. And then when I started reading about how aluminum so bad I tried to switch to.

[Jordan]

Oh, man, that was a. That, like, if I smelled that brown hacks. You want to talk about yearning and nostalgia? If I smelled a can of ax right now, I would go back to middle school and I would feel all the same things.

[Danny]

I didn't like the way that I liked their deodorant, but I didn't like the way men smell after. Oh, you know what it was for me? It was the Abercrombie cologne. I loved that smell on a man. Do you remember that?

[Jordan]

Yeah, well, they. They.

[Danny]

They sort of, like, they infused it in their whole.

[Jordan]

In their whole store. I mean. But was it Abercrombie or Hollister?

[Danny]

Abercrombie. I was not Hollister.

[Jordan]

Okay.

[Danny]

No, it was Abercrombie.

[Ellie]

My dad still wears that cologne.

[Danny]

Abercrombie. It's so good, man.

[Jordan]

What an era, guys. Yeah, that was an era.

[Danny]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

It was either like, you were like, an Abercrombie Hollister kid or you were like, Hot Topic kid.

[Danny]

Yes. Were you Hot Topic? I could see that.

[Jordan]

Yeah, a little bit.

[Danny]

I totally see that.

[Jordan]

Yeah. I went through some phases. Yeah, I tried. I tried it.

[Danny]

We all did.

[Jordan]

Yeah, we all did.

[Danny]

So we're having a boy. We talked about that.

[Jordan]

Yeah. We don't. We don't. We don't know for certain, Jordan.

[Danny]

We literally know we're having a boy. He had, like, a.

[Jordan]

The. The amount of stories that we have heard of people saying, oh, I showed.

[Danny]

The girls last night the scan, and it was like, yeah, this is it.

[Jordan]

What do they know?

[Danny]

You know, we're all just like little mini doctors. We're all.

[Jordan]

Yeah, I don't know.

[Danny]

Oh, Ellie actually said it. You actually go off of the shape of the head. Did you know that? Look it up. See if that's actually a fact. Ellie said that the rounder head means girl and more of like a flower. Flathead, I don't know, means boy.

[Jordan]

Yeah, I.

[Danny]

And I said, is it scientific? And she said, yes.

[Jordan]

Okay. I mean, that's Fine. I, I.

[Ellie]

No. The shape of a baby skull does not reliably determine its gender.

[Jordan]

Let's not out. Ellie.

[Danny]

Well, DM Ellie about it.

[Ellie]

She said the theory known as skull theory is based on differences in skull shapes and features. Features in the forehead and jawline.

[Jordan]

Yeah, let's.

[Danny]

Yeah, because then. But, like, Stella just has, like, a really round head, and Stratton is more oval. And so I pulled out my sonograms, and they're like, see? And I was like, yeah, but she also just has a round head.

[Jordan]

No, I'm telling you. Listen, the amount of people who have had our experience of taking a peekaboo test, seeing a nub on an ultrasound, and then actually finding out that it's a girl. No, no, listen.

[Danny]

Sonographer said ultrasound tech.

[Jordan]

I looked it up. I Cuz I said the same. I was going to say son. Sonogrammer, too.

[Danny]

The sonographer?

[Jordan]

Yes, I was going to say sonographer. I don't think that's. That's. Yeah, I looked it up. It's ultrasound tech.

[Danny]

No, look it up. Sonographer. Different than ultrasound.

[Jordan]

Sonographer is not a thing.

[Danny]

There's not a. Is sonographer not a word?

[Jordan]

I think it is, but it's like exploring the depths of the ocean or something like that.

[Danny]

Oh, like the saunas. Like the, the sounds in the water or the waves or something.

[Ellie]

The medical term for an ultrasound tech is a diagnostic medical. Sonographer.

[Danny]

Sonographer. Yeah.

[Jordan]

Oh, shoot. Okay, my bad. I just went with the easy one. Ultrasound tech.

[Danny]

It's okay. Sonographer.

[Jordan]

Yeah, sonographer.

[Danny]

So, yes, she even said, that is a nub, and it is pointing up. Nubs that point down are girls.

[Jordan]

But she said, listen, it's too early for me to tell definitively, which is what happened to, like, thousands of people.

[Danny]

Who messaged you, Jordan, we're having a boy. Okay? Just accept it.

[Jordan]

Okay. I mean, listen, you're right. I think you need to accept it.

[Danny]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

And so, like, we'll both accept it, but you never know.

[Danny]

Okay. I mean, we do know.

[Jordan]

Okay.

[Danny]

We've had two tests that have said.

[Jordan]

It'S a boy for sure. You're so right. The sonographer's right.

[Danny]

Well, also, the peekaboo test that I didn't. Everybody's like, you probably contaminated it. But no, I didn't. Like, I'm not stupid. I did it the right way.

[Jordan]

Stratton literally pressed the button.

[Danny]

No, we didn't.

[Jordan]

You did. Well, I had to do it after Stratton couldn't do it. So technically, you got dual double male.

[Danny]

DNA on the button?

[Jordan]

Yeah. That goes into your bloodstream. You literally were like, yes, I put my shirt over it.

[Danny]

With your hands under. Under your shirt?

[Jordan]

Yeah, I did it with my shirt, but my shirt is on my body. And then Stratton, our male son, was the one who, like, tried to press it first.

[Danny]

He did?

[Jordan]

Yes. You were like, shroud, do you want to press the button? And then he wasn't strong enough, so then I put my shirt over it and I pressed the button on the porch at the lake house.

[Danny]

Wow. I don't remember any of that. Well, we're having a boy. The nub was up. Yeah. Well, have you thought about any boy names?

[Jordan]

Yeah, for sure. Can I say them?

[Danny]

Okay.

[Jordan]

I mean, that's cool with me if it's cool with you. It's our fourth. What, are you gonna steal her name? Yeah. Okay.

[Danny]

That's on you.

[Jordan]

It's so funny. Like, people with, like, having their first. They're like, no, we're not sharing it with anyone.

[Danny]

Okay.

[Jordan]

Like, what, are we gonna steal your name?

[Danny]

Like, even if we do, we have, like, four of them.

[Jordan]

Okay. Yeah.

[Danny]

It's so true.

[Jordan]

As though, like, we would be friends forever. And I'm like, yeah, we Nate him, Sam. And they were like, that's my.

[Danny]

Are you. You're saying we're not gonna be friends forever with our friends?

[Jordan]

No, what I'm. No, what I'm saying.

[Danny]

Telling our friends, like, as if we're friends forever.

[Jordan]

No, no, What I'm saying is, like. Like, what am I gonna do? Steal your baby's name and then be friends with you forever? It's gonna be so awkward.

[Danny]

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Jordan]

Like, it's just so funny how protective people are about their names, I think. Sawyer. Whether it's a girl or a boy, or Stetson for a boy.

[Danny]

I don't think I can do Stetson.

[Jordan]

I think it's so cool. I think you're done with ST Is what you are.

[Danny]

Yeah, it's just, like, a little too gimmicky to have a Stratton. Stella, Stetson. Like, I just. I. Yeah, I can't. It's too many stuff. I already call Stella and Stratton the same name. And summit. I forget his name, like, every other day. The other day, Ellie was like, do you spill it with one T or two T's? And I was like, two T's? And then she's like, no, you don't. You sell it with one T. I'm like, no, I know how we spell our child's name. Is with two T's. And she's like, no, Danny, in every post you've done one.

[Jordan]

To be fair, we haven't really had to write the name much. Like, you don't really write the name.

[Danny]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

Much before year one.

[Danny]

True, true.

[Jordan]

You know, it's just on the birth certificate.

[Danny]

One T. Just so you know.

[Jordan]

Yeah, it's one T. It's one T. I know. Two T's would be a vibe. We could change that.

[Danny]

No, I like. I like when it's. I like when names are spelled the way that you would think that they're spelled.

[Jordan]

Yeah. I think Sawyer for a girl is pretty.

[Danny]

It's like when somebody's like, you know, Danny with two ends? It's like, get over yourself. You know? Like, who do you think you are?

[Jordan]

D, A, N, N, I.

[Danny]

They're like, it's Danny with two ends. It's like, why? Like, did you just want to trick everybody? Like, did you just want to be right and you want them to be wrong? Like, why would you do that?

[Jordan]

It's cruel.

[Danny]

Have you ever really thought about it, though, when people spell their name a certain. Like, just a little quirky.

[Jordan]

They're probably only children. I don't know why, but they probably are.

[Danny]

It's just so interesting. Like, it's like, I want to make your life. Is that you, too? Oh, Carissa with a K. Carissa with.

[Ellie]

A K and a Y. Like, why'd my parents do that to me?

[Danny]

Oh, because it should be C A, R, I, S, S, A. See, that's what I mean. No, it's like saying, it's like, your whole life, you're just having to, like, meet people and be like, you're wrong.

[Ellie]

No, my whole life, I've just had my name spelled wrong.

[Danny]

Yeah.

[Ellie]

And I'm just like, why'd you do that?

[Danny]

So then you're just automatically the victim.

[Ellie]

They're like, we just wanted to make it different. I'm like, maybe what if we just stick to the status quo?

[Danny]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Ellie]

I never got my name on a keychain either, and I'm still pretty petty about that.

[Danny]

I never did either. Rude. They never had Danny.

[Ellie]

Not inclusive.

[Jordan]

D, A, N, Y. Yeah, my Jordan.

[Danny]

Was named after Michael Jordan, so.

[Jordan]

Yeah, Well, I was gonna say my trauma is having my skin complexion with the last name Ramirez. Because even the guy who came and dropped off our car was, like, a Hispanic man. And he was like, no. I was like, I know. I was like, I get it. I've gotten in my whole life. I was like, it is My name. He's like, who's. Who's Mexican on your side? And then I tell him the whole story. Like, I'm a quarter.

[Danny]

No, listen.

[Jordan]

My kids speak Spanish.

[Danny]

When we went to go meet with the stenographer, and they're like, like, ramirez. And, like, get up and the nurse is, like, taking us back, and she shuts the door, she goes, ramirez. And she, like, looks both of us, like, up and down. I'm like, yeah, yeah, well, it's mine. It's my mom's maiden name. But he's Ramirez. And I, like, try to explain the whole thing.

[Jordan]

And she's like, I'm looking for Jose. And I'm like, ah, that's not me. I'm sorry. I'm Jordan.

[Danny]

All the time.

[Jordan]

Yeah, but we're proud.

[Danny]

Yeah. Like, the donkey knows more than you.

[Jordan]

Yeah, yeah.

[Danny]

Okay, so let's see. Do you ever put anything on Chat GBT that you're, like, a little worried would come out?

[Jordan]

Like, literally everything. And it knows our finances, it knows our bank accounts and knows, I mean, everything.

[Danny]

So things that make you go, hmm. Sam Altman warns there's no legal confidentiality when using ChatGPT as a therapist. ChatGPT users may want to think twice before turning their to their AI app for therapy or other kinds of emotional Support. According to OpenAI CEO Sam Altman, the AI industry hasn't yet figured out how to protect user privacy when it comes to these more sensitive conversations. Because there's no doctor patient confidentiality when your doc is an AI. People talk about the most personal shit in their lives to Chat GPT. Altman said people use it, young people especially, use it as a therapist, a life coach, having these relationships problems and asking, what should I do? And right now, if you talk to a therapist or a lawyer or a doctor about this problem, there's a legal privilege for it. There's doctor patient confidentiality, there's legal confidentiality, whatever. And we haven't figured that out yet. When you talk to chatbots, all the.

[Jordan]

Bank robbers are really.

[Danny]

How do you scare rob a bank? What is, like, the most embarrassing thing you've asked ChatGPT?

[Jordan]

I don't know what the most embarrassing thing I've asked is, but I will say one thing that is embarrassing is I just ran out of memory in ChatGPT, which means that I have told it so much about my life that it is like, hey, I don't have any more storage to know more about you.

[Danny]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

Which is a lot. Like, I had to go and delete memories because, you know, it stores memories.

[Danny]

So you tell it about yourself too. I don't really tell it about me.

[Jordan]

Yeah, no, I. Well, so what I'll do is like, I. I'll use it as a tool. Like it. I've uploaded all of our finances to it. Because I'm like, hey, where's there room for like, you know, decreased spending here? Where's there room for like, it's like.

[Danny]

Your wife's doordash account.

[Jordan]

Yeah. No, and. And it will remember these.

[Danny]

What did it say about that?

[Jordan]

I mean, it's. It's like complicated.

[Danny]

Okay.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Danny]

You can't tell us anything else embarrassing you've done?

[Jordan]

No, I don't think I do embarrassing things. I just think I use it a lot. I use it to track my workouts. So like, it's like I don't. I don't have a personal trainer anymore. It just helps me track all of my lifting schedules. And then it'll like, it has. It's created my whole macro calendar for eating. It's like whenever I'm getting into cooking it, like I cook with it. I'm like, hey, I don't know how to do this thing. And then it'll teach me. So I mean, I use it for everything.

[Danny]

There was this. There was a. I wish it was.

[Jordan]

Like, I'd probably do the neuralink thing. It's just more efficient.

[Danny]

Oh my gosh. The mark of the beast. There was like a study or something that came out about like the jobs most affected by AI.

[Jordan]

I would say lawyers are probably up there.

[Danny]

Let's see. That was with the lowest. Oh, should I read this? 6. I won't read 65, but jobs with the lowest risk of automation. So these are like the most secure jobs. This is interesting.

[Jordan]

Blue collar.

[Danny]

No, nurse practitioners.

[Jordan]

That's cool, huh? Why?

[Danny]

Well, because you still probably need to get like physical eyes, physical tests done no matter what. Like, you can be like, hey, I feel this way. But like, then you can go get a test for the flu or whatever. And nurse practitioners, practitioners are more hands on. So they're the ones actually doing the test when the doctors are more high level. Like, they're not the ones that are like doing the test, reading everything. So like you almost could substitute a doctor with AI, but not a nurse practitioner.

[Jordan]

Yeah, I get it.

[Danny]

Choreographers. So it sounds like anything requiring movement and a body physician assistant.

[Jordan]

Those humanoids, they're getting pretty agile mental health counselors.

[Danny]

Because I think that we still, as humans thrive and like, want human interaction. Like a AI therapist is still not enough.

[Jordan]

Also, sometimes, like, it kind of feels like a little bit of an echo chamber.

[Danny]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

Like, you have to really push it to give you some, like, tough love chat.

[Danny]

GPT.

[Jordan]

Yeah, for sure.

[Danny]

Great. For, like, help me draft a text to tell my friend that she's being a bad friend.

[Jordan]

Yeah, no, for sure.

[Danny]

Like, and it's like. Then you take it, but.

[Jordan]

But here's how Chachi Beauty would respond. Be like, hey, Danny, I'm so sorry, girl, that you're having a bad day and your friend sucks. Here's the text that I would write. So it's always like. Which I appreciate. It's like a loyal friend. But I'm. Sometimes I'm like, can you just tell me where I'm weak? You know?

[Danny]

See, I just. I. That I think that's where you go see, like, a real counselor.

[Jordan]

Isn't there that whole, like, study that we're, like, the most like our generation or has seen the most therapy hours or something, but we're also still the most depressed or something. I'm not saying therapy doesn't work, but, like, sometimes, like, you have to find a really good therapist that's gonna, like, ask the right questions to challenge you back, because it can be. It can become an echo chamber with them too.

[Danny]

I saw, like, a meme this morning, and it was like, just think about this. Think about the worst person that you know in your life right now. They're sitting in therapy being told to focus on themselves.

[Jordan]

That's so funny.

[Danny]

It's like. It is painful because that is true.

[Jordan]

That is so true.

[Danny]

So, okay, let's see. Mental health, nursing instructors and teachers, coaches and scouts. Athletic trainers. That makes sense. Physical therapists. Wow. So if I would have been a pt, I've been good orthodontists, prosthetics, occupational therapists, marriage therapists, art therapists. So it sounds like a lot of social workers, SL therapist.

[Jordan]

I just don't know if I agree with that. I don't think those are protect. Like, I.

[Danny]

A physical therapist you would need for physical therapy. So, like, you need to go in there and actually do the work, have the right equipment. You can't do PT at home.

[Jordan]

No, I. I agree with that. When I'm saying, like, all the other therapists, like, marriage therapists, like, because we.

[Danny]

Still yearn for human interaction. I don't think that as a. Speaking into that echo chamber and having no connection and telling somebody, telling the Internet your problems isn't the same as sitting down with a counselor.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Danny]

Why are you laughing? Cuz. You do?

[Jordan]

Oh, I just. No, I forgot to tell you something.

[Danny]

Okay.

[Jordan]

I forgot to tell you about my idea. Maybe I'll tell you next episode. Let's leave him on a cliffhanger.

[Danny]

No, just tell me now.

[Jordan]

No, no, I'll tell you next.

[Danny]

No, you're going to forget.

[Jordan]

I won't forget. I don't forget anything. Okay, we'll see y' all later.

[Danny]

No, I'm not done.

[Jordan]

Oh, I'm so sorry.

[Danny]

Anyway, okay, so healthcare, social workers, mental health, bioengineers, blah, blah. Okay, now let me tell you the jobs most affected by AI. Okay.

[Jordan]

Some lady just texted me. Hiya. Do you have time to go to the charity gala with me today?

[Danny]

I've been getting weird texts like that. They're like, are we still on for our date? I'm like, I hope my husband doesn't see this. I'm like, who are you?

[Jordan]

And I go, who's this? And she said, I'm Rose. What's wrong with you? Ella?

[Danny]

I get these texts all the time. It's like. It's like, Sarah, we met up last night. Where? What do you mean? I'm so embarrassed I'm gonna say I'm not.

[Jordan]

Ella, you creep.

[Danny]

It ends up being like one of our neighbors. Okay, jobs that are the most susceptible to AI. Automation. Can you guess the first one?

[Jordan]

I think lawyers.

[Danny]

No, Lawyers are, like, not even up here. Oh, lawyers still need people.

[Jordan]

No. Yeah. Probably not the most. I don't know. I'm confused because I would have probably said lawyers or therapists.

[Danny]

What?

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Danny]

To be replaced out of everything.

[Jordan]

Yeah. I think white collar. White collar workers are going to be replaced far sooner than blue collar that you think.

[Danny]

Therapists. That makes no sense. You go to talk to a therapist to talk to a human?

[Jordan]

Yeah, I mean, I'm kind of good with my chat. Gbt.

[Danny]

Are you, though?

[Jordan]

I don't know. Maybe. That's what I'm saying.

[Danny]

That's the question.

[Jordan]

Yeah, maybe not.

[Danny]

Trying to get us to move to California last week.

[Jordan]

No, that. Nashville.

[Danny]

You literally tried to get us to move to New.

[Jordan]

That wasn't me. That was. That was Ellie and Connor.

[Danny]

No, you literally asked me, do you want to go over Labor Day weekend to go visit Newport or Nashville?

[Jordan]

Yeah, either one.

[Danny]

I think you're unwell.

[Jordan]

You. You love Dallas that much? We've had this car. She doesn't love Dallas.

[Danny]

Okay, so the number one jobs that are affected are interpreters and translators. Duh. Are you listening?

[Jordan]

Yeah, sorry.

[Danny]

Sometimes I feel like you don't listen to me.

[Jordan]

You're just texting me.

[Danny]

I think we should go meet with a therapist in person and talk about this and not tell our phone.

[Jordan]

You know who just texted me?

[Danny]

Let me guess.

[Jordan]

You'll never guess.

[Danny]

Is it someone from our past?

[Jordan]

Matt Howard? Yeah. I knew you would never guess.

[Danny]

Does he want us back in the pod?

[Jordan]

I don't know. He's. He said, yo, congrats on the baby. Are y' all stoked?

[Danny]

And I said, they're pregnant, too.

[Jordan]

Yeah, I said, we are stoked. Happy for y', all, too. And then he said, are you getting the snip? We only talked on this podcast. It's kind of personal information. I'm afraid he's gonna leak it and clip it. That man clips people like no one's business. And I'm not following.

[Danny]

They're good at. They're good at it, too. Okay, number two job affected is historians. Number three, passenger attendance. What does that mean? Anybody? Like, like, when they sit with you.

[Jordan]

On a plane or like, maybe when you check in on a.

[Danny]

And I feel like we still need those.

[Jordan]

Yeah, because we can never figure out the. How the barcode reads.

[Danny]

Like, when.

[Jordan]

I mean, we're always struggling right there. We're just like, what. What distance do I hold it?

[Danny]

We literally.

[Jordan]

And then they're like, sir, just put it on the thing. And then they're, like, always mad. And then we're like. I'm like, fine, I'll just get on the plane.

[Ellie]

Yeah, it's like flight attendants, it says, provide services to ensure the safety and comfort of travelers.

[Danny]

Maybe because they're going to use robots now. That probably would save, like, a lot of money. I don't know.

[Ellie]

Grandma will be really upset if that happens. She's not a fan of.

[Jordan]

Not a person.

[Danny]

Sales reps of any service writers, customer service representatives, CNC tool programmers. What's CNC mean?

[Jordan]

It's like it. It cuts. It's a manufacturing process, and it's like a machine that, like.

[Danny]

Will you look up what CNC means?

[Jordan]

Yeah, just look it up.

[Danny]

Cuts and carrots.

[Jordan]

It's what your friend's husband does.

[Danny]

I don't know what you.

[Jordan]

Friend from the country club.

[Danny]

Oh, Paul.

[Jordan]

Paul, yes.

[Ellie]

He does numerical control manufacturing process where computers automatically control machine tools and other equipment.

[Danny]

Okay, telephone. Telephone operators are going, bye, bye. Ticket agents.

[Jordan]

How many. Danny, can I see this? How many are we going to do here?

[Danny]

I'm doing 10.

[Jordan]

Okay. Okay.

[Danny]

Broadcast announcers and radio DJs.

[Jordan]

You're just scaring people out there.

[Danny]

I'm just being honest. And if you are one of those.

[Jordan]

We have a lot of. We have a lot of probably need.

[Danny]

To learn something new.

[Jordan]

We have a lot of radio DJs in our audience.

[Ellie]

I feel like a lot of those are things that have been going, bye.

[Danny]

Bye, yeah for a while.

[Ellie]

And like, I feel like the list just. Honestly, the list didn't change much from what I. What it would.

[Danny]

Well, the good news is cell phones came out. The good news is I've never heard somebody be like, but, mom, when I grew up, I aspire to be a historian, you know? Yeah, that's so bad. So I think we're okay that. I'm sorry if you did. I'm just saying.

[Jordan]

So rude.

[Danny]

I'm just saying.

[Jordan]

So rude. There's plenty of little liberal arts students out there right now dying to be historians.

[Danny]

I'm sorry, Forgive me. Don't. The historian community is going to come after me. Please don't.

[Jordan]

Okay, well, and also, you want to talk about changing history, just have ChatGPT rewrite history for us.

[Danny]

They already do that, babe.

[Jordan]

I know. It's so sad.

[Danny]

Nobody. Yeah, we're so. You ever hear about how horrible we were to the Native Americans?

[Jordan]

You gotta listen to this Theo Vaughn episode to really understand the plight of the Native American people. Because there's no first who recapped the entire history of Native American culture better than Theo Von on this podcast.

[Danny]

I mean, they're already the minority, and then they're getting scammed into rehabs.

[Jordan]

It's disgusting.

[Danny]

It's horrible.

[Jordan]

Okay, let's get out there. Let's in this podcast and let's get out there and change the world.

[Danny]

Okay?

[Jordan]

Right now.

[Danny]

Let's do it. Motivated.

[Jordan]

Bye.

[Ellie]

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