We Have Trust Issues Now...

Summary

Podcast Summary: De-Influenced with Dani + Jordan — Episode: "We Have Trust Issues Now..." (July 30, 2026)

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Episode Overview

In this candid, humorous, and relatable episode, hosts Dani and her husband Jordan share personal stories from their family life, discuss their recent move to Nashville, reflect on the quirks of parenting, and answer listener questions about life transitions and influencer culture. With their trademark banter and vulnerability, the episode centers around themes of trust (especially in parenting), family dynamics, and keeping it real amid social media pressures.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. The "Bamboozled Toe Incident"

• Dani's Story: Dani recounts in detail how her 4-year-old son Stratton faked a foot injury for almost two days, leading her on a wild goose chase of doctor visits, X-rays, and parental self-doubt.
  • Quotes:
    • “My 4 year old lied to me for like a full 48 hours. I mean, like this kid.” (02:20 - Dani)
    • “He gets up off the table and he walks, walks away. Literally walks away. I have been at this from 10am to 3pm all day.” (07:55 - Dani)
• Parenting Reflection: Dani and Jordan dig into why kids fake sickness or injury—for attention, alone time, or in this case, to watch TV. They reflect on their own childhood tricks and how parenting wisdom evolves with experience.
  • Quote: “I just think he wants a show...Now they're so smart and manipulative that I should have known...” (08:39 - Dani)
• Sibling Dynamics: The discussion reveals how family roles impact kids' behaviors—Stratton’s desire for control or attention and his relationship with his bossy older sister, Stella.
  • Quote: “I kind of feel for him because, like, yeah, it’s like, when does he get to watch what he wants?” (11:19 - Jordan)

2. Real Talk on Family, Transitions & Marriage

• Move to Nashville: The hosts describe feelings of independence and community-building after their move away from extended family in Dallas.
  • Quote: “It almost feels like whenever you go to college and you’re like, oh, I’m away from my parents. You know, I kind of feel that way...” (44:15 - Dani)
• Parenting Exhaustion: They open up about sleepless nights with their youngest, Smith, and the toll it takes, especially for Jordan as the designated nighttime caregiver.
  • Quote: “I will, I don’t feel resentment, but I think I’m starting to realize I’m very tired.” (48:22 - Jordan)
• Mental Load of Moving: Discussion of the stressors and logistical headaches of moving with a big family—all while balancing work and personal growth.
  • Quote: “There’s a little bit of a mental load that I’m, like, looking forward to getting a little bit more settled to where I feel, like, okay, stable.” (46:15 - Jordan)

3. Work, Identity & Influencer Life

• Work Rhythms: Dani and Jordan discuss running their businesses (Divi and influencer work) remotely, their distributed team, and adapting to new routines.
  • Quote: “I don’t like talking about work. I just like doing it. In fact, talking about it makes me a little anxious.” (52:11 - Dani)
• De-influencing Trends: The hosts get candid about certain “overrated” products (like the Hatch sound machine and subscription features), consumer culture, and the realities of being an influencer for over 15 years.
  • Quote: “The best parts totally outweigh the bad parts…I love it. I literally will be in a wheelchair going to the Nordstrom anniversary sale, sharing my favorite finds.” (68:15 - Dani)
  • Quote: “People crap on influencers all the time because they’re like…they’re just doing this for the money. Ask Dani how much money she makes. She has zero clue.” (68:30 - Jordan)

4. Musical Insights: The Behind-the-Scenes of Touring

• Nashville Connections: Dani, after meeting several musicians’ wives, learned about the unseen costs and hardships of being on tour (e.g., bus costs, loneliness, relational strain), and why bands often get back together after decades apart.
  • Quote: “I’ve been learning about like the business behind touring. Oh, it’s like so expensive to tour.” (35:58 - Dani)
• Performer Longevity: Reflection on why veteran artists return to touring, not just for the money but also for wisdom, boundaries, and a renewed love of performance.
  • Quote: “They have, like, boundaries…they know exactly how to go on tour and be healthy...” (41:24 - Dani)

5. Honest Reflections on Parenting & Childhood Insecurities

• Mother-Daughter Dynamics: Dani gets vulnerable about her childhood insecurities and wanting to protect her daughter Stella from similar feelings—while respecting her shy personality.
  • Quote: "I was very insecure as a kid...I want to protect her from that, but I don’t know how..." (55:19 - Dani)
• Breaking Comparison Cycles: The couple discuss comparison traps, modeling confidence, and the impact of community on children.

6. Car Chat & Mom Life

• Feeling Out of Place: Dani humorously laments driving her minivan to girls’ night among luxury vehicles, and they consider what car best fits both family and style.
  • Quote: “All the girls there had like a matte black Tesla… I come in, I’m like, beep, beep, in my little green and white minivan.” (24:00 - Dani)
• Electric Car Realities: Jordan discusses the practical drawbacks of charging electric vehicles in a family setting.

7. Q&A Lightning Round

Listener questions covered:

• Transition to Nashville & making friends
• The realities of remote work
• The ups and downs of parenthood and influencer life
• Thoughts on having more children (with both humor and raw honesty)
  • Quote: “Do you think it’s, like, a mental illness that I want to have more [children]?... I think it’s borderline irresponsible.” (62:07 - Dani & Jordan)
• Advice on de-influencing current trends or products
• Parenting sleep and routines
• How Dani sees her influencer identity and longevity in the industry

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• “He faked the whole thing. The whole thing.” (08:08 - Dani, on Stratton’s pretend injury)
• “I think he’s just got, like, a nervous system that’s just totally, like, torqued up all the time because…of his sister.” (12:38 - Jordan)
• “It almost feels like whenever you go to college and you’re like, oh, I’m away from my parents.” (44:15 - Dani)
• “The best parts totally outweigh the bad parts…I love it…She’ll do it till the day she dies.” (68:15 - Dani & Jordan)

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• Opening Banter / Parenting Setup: 00:00 – 04:10
• The Toe Incident / Stratton’s Faking: 04:10 – 08:20
• Parenting Strategies, Screen Time, Sibling Dynamics: 08:20 – 13:00
• Relatability of Faking Sick as Kids: 13:00 – 15:30
• Escape Room & Mom Social Dynamics: 21:06 – 24:49
• Car/Minivan Embarrassment & Electric Vehicle Rant: 23:53 – 29:08
• Tour Life, Music Industry Economics: 35:45 – 43:41
• Listener Q&A on Moving, Work, Sleep, and More: 43:41 – 67:01
• Influencer Life—Realities & Misconceptions: 68:07 – 74:47
• Parent-Child Insecurities & Confidence: 55:07 – 61:46

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Tone & Language

Witty, self-deprecating, engaged, and real—the episode is filled with playful banter (“I come in, I’m like, beep, beep, in my little green and white minivan…”), humility about parenting fails, and a willingness to poke fun at their own habits and anxieties. Both Dani and Jordan balance humor with moments of real vulnerability and practical insight—a hallmark of their “de-influencing” style.

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Summary Takeaway

This episode embodies the ethos of "De-Influenced"—demystifying influencer culture and keeping it transparent about family messes, marriage, work, and the struggles and rewards of living life publicly. Listeners get meaningful, funny, and trustworthy reflections that offer solidarity for anyone navigating modern parenthood, relationships, or online scrutiny.

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Find Dani & Jordan on Instagram, TikTok, and De-Influenced podcast for more candid Q&A and updates—including their upcoming family trip to Costa Rica.

Transcript

[Danny]

Foreign.

[Dani]

The following podcast is a Dear media production. Hello and welcome back to your favorite podcast, De Influenced.

[Danny]

Babe.

[Dani]

How. How are you? It's been two days.

[Jordan]

Two podcasts. Two weeks or two podcasts in one week is the hardest weeks.

[Dani]

Well, they're not the hardest weeks, but it's. It is. Um, what? The reason we have to podcast two times in one week usually is because we're traveling or we have something. So it's actually really exciting because we leave for Costa Rica.

[Jordan]

That is true, but we leave. We're very bad at pacing ourselves. So if we have things we want to talk about, we're not good at breaking them up into two episodes.

[Dani]

True, true.

[Jordan]

So last episode was fire.

[Dani]

It was fire. It was a more serious episode. Very educational.

[Jordan]

Yeah, I. I didn't think it was serious. I had a blast.

[Dani]

No, me too.

[Jordan]

But you also said before it started recording, you said, hey, I don't have much to talk about, so you gotta carry this.

[Dani]

No. Every time we sit down to podcasts, I'm like, hey, just so you know, like, you need to carry this whole podcast.

[Jordan]

And then she usually talks a little

[Dani]

bit and then I don't shut up. Yeah. Tell me about the past couple days. I have a couple fun things that happened.

[Jordan]

Tell me. Cause I actually don't think I have anything that really happened. Significant in the past two days.

[Dani]

Okay. I have a lot of significant things that happened in the past.

[Danny]

Okay.

[Dani]

I got bamboozled.

[Jordan]

Yes, you did.

[Dani]

Bamboozled with a capital B. I can't believe how bamboozled this was. My 4 year old lied to me for like a full 48 hours. I mean, like this kid. So I found this like cute little play cafe to take my kids and they were just having a blast. You know, it's like one of those cafes you pay. It's basically like a co working space with like an indoor playground. Like, it's amazing. It was over in East Nashville. Met so many cute moms. We were there for like an hour and a half. Right when we were about to leave, Stratton trips on a truck. Like a toy. Now, I don't know if you remember this, but before we got married, I broke my big toe. You remember that?

[Jordan]

I do. I forgot how you did it.

[Dani]

I tripped on a dog toy and it was so painful. Funny enough, it was Bella's. My mom got her. My mom, like, got Bella her small dog, like one of these massive bones. Anyway, tripped on it. So painful. I remember Jordan. I went and told Jordan, like, oh, my gosh, that was the Most painful thing that ever happened. And I remember you laughed. Like, I'll never forget that. Because he was like. I don't know. You were, like, in a mood. And it. To this day, it has been, like, nine years, and it still hurts me. My big toe, like, still hurts. Cause you can't do anything when you break a toe.

[Jordan]

So are you sure you can't do anything?

[Dani]

You can, like, have surgery and stuff, but, like, no, you don't really, like, do anything when you break a toe.

[Jordan]

So you're telling me you woke up this morning and your big toe still hurt?

[Dani]

No, it still hurts. Like, that's why I get so mad whenever you. It. It hurts when you. When it goes down, when you push it down. So, like, you know when people. When you're getting, like, a pedicure. I don't know if you know this, but, like, they crack your toes sometimes. Like, almost like when you crack your knuckles. If they were to push my big toe down like that. Oh, my gosh. Hurt so bad. Still, to this day, the same amount of pain. Like, it doesn't go away. So actually, I went and got an X ray one time, and they're like, literally, there's, like, a chunk of bone missing from your big toe. So when I run a lot and stuff, like, the nice thing is I'm not a ballerina, so I don't really, like, point my toes down that much. But when I run, it hurts really bad. So anyway, the way he tripped on that toy was very reminiscent of my breaking of my big toe and his reaction and everything. And the thing about Stratton is he cries a lot. He has kind of a hard time regulating his emotions. He cried longer than normal, so. So I just knew, like, something was wrong. And I offered to, like, take him to, like, Dino Land and to take him to the park. And I was like, if you walk, like, I'll give you ice cream. Like, I tried all the bribery. Like, nothing works. I was like, okay, this is serious. But I said, let's go home. I'm gonna put on a. Put a show on for you, and we'll ice it, and we'll see after you go to bed. We'll see how you feel in the morning. So went to bed, put my kids. Or they got to watch a show.

[Jordan]

You know, wizard of Oz terrified them.

[Dani]

They. No, they hated it.

[Jordan]

So then he was under the bus.

[Dani]

I was like, this is a classic, y'. All.

[Jordan]

That's kind of when I knew, just, yeah, I want to read the story.

[Dani]

Yeah. He was like, My kids did not

[Jordan]

like that he was under the bed.

[Dani]

So then we watched Smurfs, which was just like, ugh. So next day, we wake up, he is still in pain. Not only that, his pinky toe is swollen and bruised. So I was like, this is serious. I was like, I'm a horrible mother because I made him sleep with a broken toe. And. And he will not walk on it, screaming, crying, whatever. Like, you know. So we call, like, one of those, like, urgent clinics, and we go in, and unfortunately, you know, we wait. We'd sign up. They're like, our X ray tech is not here. And I'm like, I know that's what they're gonna need. They're like, we'll still see you and, like, let you know, like, what's going on. I'm like, dude, we need an X ray. But we stay. We do the whole appointment. She feels around, and he's still in pain. And he's like. And she's like, yeah, like, you need to get X ray. So he still won't walk on it. So they give him a boot. And I'm like, I don't know. I'm getting signs of, like, maybe he's faking it. But, like, how horrible would that be if I'm the mom? That's like, he faked it, but, like, he actually had, like, a broken toe. So I get home from this because I'm like, I'm gonna just see if, like, he'll walk by tonight. So I got my stories. And, like, I'm like, yeah, so he has a boot on. Like, I don't think it's broken. I think it's. You know. And people reply to me, and they're like, wow, if I were you, I would have rushed him to the. To the next appointment to get an X ray. Like, wow, Danny, you should really take him. Like, poor thing.

[Jordan]

Were they really saying that?

[Dani]

Yes. So I deleted the story. Cause I was like, I'm not doing this. And I called the next place, and I was like, fine. Because you know what? You're right. Like, I'm gonna feel so guilty if he really does have a broken toe. So I drive out to Bellevue, which, I don't know, like, Google Maps took me, like, a crazy, crazy way. But I get out there, and, like, we wait in the waiting room. They didn't call ahead, so they didn't know we were coming. So it was like, this whole thing. I'm with Stella and Stratton. We wait, like, about an hour, and finally, like, we're about to be seen. Because there's. And then some lady comes in. I did say, like, bless her heart. Like, she was struggling. Like, she was screaming in pain. Like, it sounded like she was having, like, a birth.

[Guest/Advertiser]

Yeah.

[Dani]

And so they're like, sorry, we have to attend to this other girl. She's in more pain. I'm like, okay, Stratton. But Stratton's like, my toe purple. And so Stella and I are, like, making up so many games. Like, we're having so much fun. We're playing catch. We're playing, like, doctor, whatever. So I'm like, I know for a fact that Stratton, his toe is broken at this point. Because I'm like, he would what? Like, he's just sitting there, bored as all get out. And so I'm like. At this point, I'm, like, convinced, like, his toe is broken and it really is, like, swollen. Right. So they finally come in, and we get to finally have the X ray. He gets up on the table. They do all the pictures. He gets all the attention, you know, and, you know, Cel and I are hiding in the back from the X ray machine. We get to watch everything. And X rays are done. And I'm about to take him off the table, and he goes, what the doctor say? And I said, yeah. I said, she's gonna look at the X rays. And I didn't tell you this. He goes, can I walk? And I go, oh, my God. I go, yeah, you can walk. He gets up off the table and he walks, walks away. Literally walks away. I have been at this from 10am to 3pm all day. All day. I paid hundreds of dollars. I am, like, waiting for. I'm like, still. I'm also, like, so embarrassed that I also have been, like, asking these people, like, when's our appointments? So I leave out of there being like, yeah, come with the results. I'm really concerned, you know, I'm really worried because I'm so embarrassed that, like, he was actually faking it. So he, like, is walking out of there, and I pick him up because I'm like, I don't want them to see that. He's actually walking now. Oh, yeah. He faked the whole thing. The whole thing?

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dani]

He got in the car, was walking around. He's running around when we get home. I could not believe it.

[Jordan]

So just, like, in hindsight, was that. Was that, like, an attention thing, or do you think psychologically he really had psyched himself out that he couldn't walk on his foot?

[Dani]

I think a little bit of Both. But I think my biggest issue, my biggest parenting issue I had here was that I allow my kids to watch shows whenever. Cause we're like, we don't do screens unless we have, like, a family movie. Movie night. And I allow my kids to watch shows when they're sick.

[Jordan]

Yep, true.

[Dani]

So, like, when it's because, like, when they're screaming, crying, or they're in pain, like, I feel so bad for them, and I would. I think in my head, like, what would I want to do do right now? Like, I would want to, like, chill, relax, and, like, watch a show, like, when you feel sick. That's all. If you're not gonna, like, be sleeping. That's all I want to do. So it's, like, kind of like my. You know, I'm trying to, like, care for them, but now they're so smart and manipulative that I should have known, because Stratton does on a daily basis and come up to daily basis, come up to me, and he says, mama, I hot. I hot. And then I always touch his forehead. I'm like, you're not hot. And then he does that.

[Danny]

He.

[Dani]

He, like, knows that doesn't work. So he goes, I cold, mama. I cold. And that doesn'. So now he knew, like, with the toe, that was his way.

[Jordan]

I have a theory, and my theory is that, okay, this is my thing with Stratton. So Stratton has an older sister that is very demanding, and, like, it's, like, always what she wants to do, even if. And listen, I say this from experience. I try and play games with Stella, and she gets mad at me because I'm not playing the game right. And we're, like, sword fighting. She's like, you're not doing it right.

[Dani]

She's like, daddy, you pretend to be the dragon. I'm the princess. Then I want you to come in here and knock three times.

[Jordan]

And she's bossy, so she's super bossy. And so, like, it always has to be her way. And I think that Stratton just really wants, like, to play his way, so he never gets time to himself.

[Dani]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

So I think what it is is that when he says that he's sick or he's hurt, he's actually trying to say, I'm bored and want to be left alone. And here's why is. We were at a tent last night outside tent on a farm for, like, a high school church service, and I brought Stratton with me because I was watching who was preaching. And it's, like, 98 degrees outside. And I'm like, having a conversation with this guy, and Stratton tugs on my shirt and I'm like, what's up, Stratton? He's like, I cold. And the guy goes, there's no way he's cold. And I was like, I know. I was like, he actually means he's bored. And so I feel like it's like he's communicating like, I want to be left alone or I want to have alone time by saying, oh, I'm sick or my toe hurts or what have you.

[Dani]

Like, oh, see, I just think he wants a show. And then the reason why they stick is because, like, he was sick. So usually they get to, like, pick the show whenever they're sick. But, like, I picked wizard of Oz. And that's why he went ballistic, because he lost control. He thought, like, oh, this is the one time I'll get to watch, you know, some, like, Lego man or whatever. But, like, I chose this show. So he was.

[Jordan]

I know, but I kind of feel for him because, like.

[Dani]

Like, when does he get to watch what he wants?

[Jordan]

No, when does he have control? Because, like, yeah, it's like, any time he's playing by himself, like, Stella is like, hey, what are you playing? We're going to go play Airplane. We're going to go play this.

[Dani]

But he kind of. He's like. He's like, pretty codependent on Stella, and he's always like, okay, I want to make Stella happy, though.

[Jordan]

I know this is the problem.

[Dani]

That's why I'm still in your shot.

[Jordan]

No, for sure, for sure. Like, I. We've talked about this. Like, I feel for him. I'm like, I understand.

[Dani]

You want your sister to be happy.

[Jordan]

You just want your sister to be happ.

[Dani]

Also, she'll be nice to you, but

[Jordan]

you also, like, kind of just, like, want to do your own thing, and you, like, kind of want to be left alone. You want to have some alone time. But he never gets it. When I took him to that church service. An angel.

[Dani]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

Like, we went. We went and got tacos before he sat the entire service through.

[Dani]

Oh, still, I could never.

[Jordan]

The only time he tugged on my shirt was when he was like, I'm cold. And it was, like, getting late. And he was probably, like, ready to go, but he was still so sweet about it.

[Dani]

Wow.

[Jordan]

And I was like, did you have fun? And he was like, I loved it. But you know what he said at the end? He goes, next time, let's have Stella come. And I. And I got down on my. I truly got down on one knee. And I go, hey, listen. I go, you're with Stella a lot. I was like, you know, sometimes I think you and Daddy should just go do things. What do you think? And he was like, okay.

[Dani]

Oh, great.

[Jordan]

It was.

[Dani]

It was so sweet.

[Jordan]

So I really feel like it's like he's just got, like, a nervous system that's just totally, like, torqued up all the time because. Yeah, because of his sister.

[Dani]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

And I get it. Sometimes she walks in the room and I freeze up, too.

[Dani]

I know. It does kind of stress me out when she walks in. I'm like, oh.

[Jordan]

And then. And then this is the funniest story is, like, we get back home and you're still at, like, your friend dinner or whatever. And we get back home and we were. The babysitter's like, hey. Stella's like, she said that you absolutely have to go up to her room and say goodnight. And so I'm like, okay. She's not asleep. So Stratton and I walk in and we, like, open the door really quietly, and she's got her face mask on, like, her furry princess face mask. And she hears us, and she literally rises up, rips off her eye mask, and she's like, where have y' all been? And in that moment, both Stratton and I both felt. We were like, I'm so sorry. And then we were like, it's okay, Stella. It wasn't even fun. We didn't get candy. And, like, she's like, did Bubba get candy? Cause you gave me a piece of candy. You needed to give Bubba a piece of candy? And she's like, daddy, listen, I'm gonna go to sleep. But you, everything that happened tomorrow morning, don't forget.

[Dani]

Funny.

[Jordan]

She's just like that.

[Dani]

Yeah, she's like that. You know, I get it.

[Jordan]

Like, you know, I'm summit in a totally different way. Because some it's just like, whatever.

[Dani]

But, yeah, some it's like, he's, like, wound up different. Yeah, no, Summit's like a nine on the Enneagram. Like, he's like the Peacemaker. He's like, just, like, chill.

[Jordan]

I think strands the Peacemaker. No, because Stratton wants there to be peace. I think some it's just like, whatever. I don't care if you're unhappy. Give me that toy. I'll eat it.

[Dani]

Yeah, that's very nine behavior. Just not going to stir the pot. What I was going to say is, like, I do kind of relate to silly. Because, like, I did Fake being sick a lot growing up, did you not?

[Jordan]

Me, too.

[Dani]

Yeah. Like, every kid did.

[Jordan]

Yeah. I would go into the school bathroom, wet my shirt, and then go to the nurse and be like, I threw up. Oh, and they bought it. Every time.

[Dani]

Every time, man, they just called me. I would just, like, rub my forehead, like, so many times to try to make it hot.

[Jordan]

Oh, that was overkill. It's true. No all the time idea.

[Dani]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

But it's easier to fake the stomach bug than it is a fever.

[Dani]

That's what I never did, the stomach bug. But, you know, it's hard. I think I was just, like, begging for attention to.

[Jordan]

Yeah. And I mean, a lot of people in your DMs, I will say, I don't know what they were saying before they were calling you bad mom for not getting X ray, but afterwards, they were like, oh, my gosh, this has happened to me. It was, like, a very relatable thing. They were like, our kids always, like, fake this. But they did clarify that it was usually their, like, second or third. Like, the middle children, who typically are just per capita, they get a little bit less attention because you typically have, like, a demanding firstborn.

[Dani]

I got to say, though, like, this felt, like, premeditated a little bit, maybe. Like, I feel like he was, like, planning this for a long time. I really do.

[Jordan]

No, I do think we sleep on him. No, I think he's like. That's what I've always said. He's the dark horse. He, like, kind of pretends like he doesn't know what's going on, but he knows what's going on.

[Dani]

He does. He does.

[Jordan]

He knows what's going on.

[Dani]

And the way he played this out was, like, pretty brilliant. Pretty brilliant. And, like, what kind of scares me is, like, I don't know, what do you call it? Like, the grit. He had, like, no shame because, like, we were there for a long time and, like, we were starving. Like, I had to go to Chick Fil A immediately after. And, like, he, like, he knew, like, he was sitting on that table for those two hours. Hours being like, these mother effers have no idea I'm faking this whole thing. You know? Like, it's kind of scary, but.

[Jordan]

But honestly, it gave him his power

[Dani]

back, and I love that for him.

[Jordan]

We love that.

[Dani]

Like, Bubba, just please don't lie about you being, like, hurt again, because it does kind of stress me out.

[Danny]

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[Danny]

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[Dani]

so, yeah, that happened. And then last night, I had a great time. I went to the Escape Room. The Escape game. The escape room game. I don't know. Wow, it was so fun. But I will say I kind of felt like. Like a baby. Whenever they flash all those, like, black and white cards, you know, that, like, it just, like, really wears a baby out.

[Jordan]

I think all escape rooms are the same.

[Dani]

Like, I did. Like, I solved, like, one clue, and I was like, I. I'm so tired. Like, I. The rest of it, I was, like, so checked out. I just, like, ran around with the girls and they were finding all the clues, and I'd be like, oh, yeah, it's that way. It's this way. Like, I was totally pretending. Like, I was like, after I saw that first one, I was like, I got nothing left up here. But it was, like, a really good one that I solved.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dani]

And it was the first. So, like, I was, like, kind of like the hero. And we had kind of just all met, you know, and so it really, like, set the tone for the night.

[Jordan]

Like, how long did it take you guys? I'm not a big, like, escape room person.

[Dani]

No. But I think, like, I feel like we should do it again. What's so funny about this escape room is, like, we could do it all over again. And, like, I probably would forget the clues.

[Jordan]

Yeah. You know, because I would have fun doing it. Just you and I.

[Dani]

It's really hard. Like, super challenging. This was only a 6, but it felt more like an 8 out of 10. So, no, I almost feel like you need a big group because it's so much brain power. And it's so much, like. Especially when there's some of the clues that are, like, mathematical or, like, math, where, like. Or it's like a letter stands for a number type of thing. Like, that's just, like, a lot of brain power. But it was so fun. And they go all out. It's kind of like being at Disney World. These, like, little escape rooms.

[Jordan]

Yeah. No, I mean, I know Bridget really likes them.

[Danny]

Oh.

[Dani]

She's like.

[Jordan]

That was, like, her second question to me. And she was like, how do you feel about escape rooms?

[Dani]

Oh, yeah. Well, and it was great because when I got there, I didn't really know everyone, but, like, they were like, hey, like, your brother's on the wall in this bathroom. And I was like, see? I was like, you don't know who you're hanging out with. I was like, my brother's on the wall. And they're like, wait, what does your brother do? I'm like, he models for the escape room. I was like, who's your brother too? So, no, we had a great time. I met Bridget's friends. We went to Sushi san, or Sushi sans. I don't know how to. How to pronounce it.

[Jordan]

A veggie roll.

[Dani]

Yeah, I did. Super cool spot. Like, it's. It's off of 12 south, but it's like in this little pocket area. And it was like such a vibe. Like, I definitely did not dress appropriately because I kind of thought when they said, we're getting sushi, you know, like sushi places, sometimes they're like, more like, I don't know, chill. Holding the wall. Like, you never know. Like, sometimes. Yeah, sometimes the best sushi places are like hole in the wall. So I kind of was like, oh, it was not holding all the.

[Jordan]

Oh.

[Dani]

And you were like, I should have been wearing, like, definitely a crop top or a halter top or something.

[Jordan]

Did anyone say anything about your car?

[Dani]

Oh, my gosh, I'm so happy that you brought that up. I need to tell you something.

[Jordan]

You don't like it?

[Dani]

No, I love that car, but it feels different when you're driving it alone to a girl's night. Okay, so all the girls there had like a matte black Tesla. Like a raised up, like, massive wheels expedition black. Like, black Escalade. Like all these, like, fancy cars. And I come in, I'm like, beep, beep. Like in my little, like, green and white minivan. And like, I was like, this is such a vibe kill. Like I'm. I have no sex appeal right now. Nothing. It was.

[Jordan]

You could. I mean, people love it. I get questions about it all the time.

[Dani]

No, I know.

[Jordan]

I got a text this morning.

[Dani]

It just felt different. Going to, like, a swanky restaurant, like, pulling up to, like, a swanky restaurant. Like, girls night. Like, everybody's, like, dressed to the nines and I'm like, hey, you know, it just.

[Jordan]

You could have taken the golf cart.

[Dani]

Well, no, I came straight from the escape room. So I was just thinking about it and I was like, maybe. Yeah. No, I won't say it.

[Guest/Advertiser]

Say it.

[Dani]

No, it's okay. I just. I want you to read my mind.

[Jordan]

Yeah, I. You want a different car?

[Dani]

Well, no, I want that car. And I just want to drive It. When I have my kids.

[Jordan]

No, I know. You want a different car.

[Dani]

Well, I don't know. Just be thinking about it. My birthday.

[Jordan]

But I kept saying like, hey, this is like our kids car. And then Danny would get really mad that I would say it's the kids car issues, like, it's my car.

[Dani]

No, I know because it is my car and I love it. But it's just such a personality.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dani]

It's like only one side of me, right? It's like, what about the side of me that's like.

[Jordan]

Yeah, yeah, the, you know, swanky.

[Dani]

Yeah, this, you know, the swanky cool girl that goes out like one time every month.

[Jordan]

I get it.

[Dani]

You know what I mean?

[Jordan]

No, I totally get what you mean.

[Dani]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

So we can work on that.

[Dani]

I know. We'll just. We'll just think about it. Birthday is an opportunity. Also, Christmas is like right after birthday, so it's like, that's good. And then Valentine's Day is right after that. So you just be thinking. So I did ask Bridget because I'm not really a huge car person, and I asked her what I should get, and I texted it to you last night. I had never even heard of these cars.

[Jordan]

I don't think you texted.

[Dani]

No, I did. I sent you a picture. It's a Grenadier. You know what those are?

[Jordan]

Oh, yeah, those are like. Really? Those are pretty rugged for you.

[Dani]

You don't think I'm rugged?

[Jordan]

No.

[Dani]

What?

[Jordan]

I mean, I can see you driving it, but. Yeah, I mean, it's. It's like a pretty, like wear hats now. No, I know. It's a pretty, like, girthy car. Oh, it's like, why are they so expensive? I think it's like. Like, it's like a G wagon, but, like, rugged like this.

[Dani]

Oh, yeah, those. They're cute.

[Jordan]

They're. They're becoming very popular.

[Dani]

It reminds me of like my Barbie Jeep that I used to have, you know?

[Jordan]

Yeah. Okay, well, we can talk about it.

[Dani]

We can talk about. I have no idea.

[Jordan]

But I understand. And I. And I. I do think that I saw this coming and I. It's okay. It's okay.

[Dani]

I will say, I also get. This is just weird, but, like, when I pull up at night and I get on my car.

[Jordan]

Mm.

[Dani]

Like, there's something. Like when I get on my car at night, like, I like to just go, like, straight to where I'm going. But the fact that I have to, like, go around and like, plug it in.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dani]

Kind of scares me.

[Jordan]

No, I get it.

[Dani]

I'm Like, I just feel like I'm just bait.

[Jordan]

The other thing I would tell people if they are going to get an electric car is because this happens with the Tesla's too, is we right now like have we plug it into a standard garage outlet and then we have an extension cord and then it plugs into like the adapter and then we charge the car. It charges two miles every hour.

[Dani]

That's insane.

[Jordan]

It's insane. It takes over 50 hours to get a full charge. And so if you don't plug it in like each time that you're leaving it under that power source, it ain't going to work. You can get these like wall adapters, like the supercharger.

[Dani]

We need to get that put in our house.

[Jordan]

I know, but I don't want to get it put in this house because we're going to leave.

[Dani]

No, I know our next house.

[Jordan]

Oh, no saying so.

[Dani]

Did you tell them the builder?

[Jordan]

No, but I'll text him right now.

[Dani]

Yeah, you better, you better.

[Jordan]

But you have to get the supercharger because it's, it makes it almost like unfunctional as a car if you don't get that.

[Dani]

Yeah, I've been on like low battery since I got it.

[Jordan]

No, for sure. Yeah, 100%.

[Dani]

My mom ran out of battery in her car on the highway and like I kind of get it now. Yeah, I was like, how could she do that? And now like, oh, I understand.

[Jordan]

No, it makes total sense. And the other thing that's a downside if you get this van is you have to buy the adapter for the superchargers.

[Dani]

I think I should just like come out with like a new car brand. Like how hard is this really?

[Jordan]

I mean it almost bankrupted a billionaire Tesla.

[Dani]

Yeah, well, he was just like going like a little too crazy. Yeah, a little too much pride. You know.

[Jordan]

To be honest though, you probably do have a strong point because in the same way that you say there are not a lot of female home builders, there's not a lot of female car designers, most likely.

[Dani]

I mean, I'm serious.

[Jordan]

Like somebody's a Ford man.

[Dani]

Word. Yeah. Kia, probably a man.

[Jordan]

Prime man. We don't know really, but Toyota, Japanese man. I'm telling you, it's a huge market opportunity.

[Dani]

Email me, call me. It's just Yemi comment down below. Like I got. She got a lifetime of knowledge.

[Jordan]

She's got a lifetime of knowledge. But she's in her trad wife era so she will need a CEO.

[Dani]

I also just to give me like a little credit Like I've only had. Sorry, this actually doesn't have like I've only had two cars in my entire life. I drove the Mercedes C240 that I got in high school all the way like I think for 12 years. And like up until I got my Porsche Cayenne, which was like my dream car, we leased it and I loved that car like that. I would love to drive that car again. It just doesn't fit all my children.

[Guest/Advertiser]

Yeah.

[Dani]

So then I did the minivan, so. But my mom drove an expedition growing up. Explorer. Did you ever take your parents car out, like when it was like illegal, like when you're 14?

[Jordan]

No.

[Dani]

Oh, I did it all the time.

[Jordan]

No, never.

[Dani]

And that's so horrible.

[Jordan]

That is so horrible.

[Dani]

It's actually not though.

[Jordan]

Like, like what, what happens if you get pulled over in that instance?

[Dani]

I don't know. But I would only stay like in my neighborhood usually. Like I would drive it to my friend Bailey Curtis house when my parents are out of town.

[Jordan]

That is so crazy. That's.

[Dani]

I know. I'm kind of a bad girl sometimes.

[Guest/Advertiser]

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[Danny]

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[Danny]

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[Dani]

else I learned a lot about last night was the business of. Because, you know, there's so many musicians here. I've been meeting like, like, like the wives of musicians or whatever. And I learned. Huh?

[Jordan]

No, wait, moms.

[Dani]

Moms?

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dani]

Wives of musicians.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dani]

I've been learning about like the business behind touring. Oh, it's like so expensive to tour.

[Jordan]

To fund it or to Both. Yeah, for sure. You're. You're renting out stadiums.

[Dani]

I know, but like, you know, I just. Just things I never really thought about.

[Jordan]

How much does it. So like just make up numbers, don't give like precise numbers, but like how much does it cost to go on a tour? Like a stadium tour?

[Dani]

Oh, gosh, I don't know. Stadium tours are like outrageous.

[Jordan]

Okay, just like what did you learn? Maybe.

[Dani]

I mean, what I learned is just how much of a percentage like all these people take from you.

[Jordan]

Oh yeah.

[Dani]

It's a lot. And then, like, tour buses are, like, 100K and, like, a lot of brands or a lot of bands have, like, multiple tour buses. And so, like, easily you're just like. And I mean, that's why they literally drop. Because I always wonder, I'm like, why are they driving, like, just fly. But now I'm like, oh, it makes sense. And they sleep on those tour buses every single night. Yeah. It sounds awful.

[Jordan]

No, it sounds like a horrible life.

[Dani]

It sounds like I. I honestly, like, don't blame, like, all these rock and rollers for being drug addicts. Like, I would be, too.

[Jordan]

Life on the road.

[Dani]

Life on the road.

[Jordan]

No, I mean, and then you have to go, and then you have to, like, be on. No, it's so hard for that many people and, like, the entire production, and

[Dani]

you're away from, like, your friends and

[Jordan]

family for the most part, and you're like.

[Dani]

And you're with these people that, like, you're with all the time. Like, you must get, like, really sick of them. I know why One Direction now broke up. It makes sense.

[Jordan]

Yeah. And didn't Harry Styles, like, go MIA for, like, a couple years?

[Dani]

Well, that's what I'm saying is, like, they probably were so sick of each other. I'd be sick of them, too.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dani]

How the Jackson 5 do it for so long.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dani]

And they were real brothers.

[Jordan]

So I was talking to one of the dude perfect guys about.

[Dani]

They went on tour.

[Jordan]

Yeah, they go on tour. And, you know, he was just talking about how hard it is. He was like, it's. It's one of our most rewarding things because we get to, like, interface with our followers and our fans and, like, for them, they use, like, as a big ministry opportunity. But he was like, when we're done.

[Dani]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

He was like, we cannot see each other for a little while.

[Dani]

Oh, yeah.

[Jordan]

Because we're. We're, like, done. We've been together. And I was like, how do y' all not fight? And he said that they play FIFA. That's what keeps them out of arguments.

[Dani]

Funny. We love that.

[Jordan]

But it's weird, like, because, you know, they're older guys, too. You know, I know they appeal to a really young demographic, but I could not imagine. Like, I went on a trip to Florida with unmarried guys when we were married and had, like, Stell and Stratton. And it was just like, I don't belong here anymore. Like, I'm married with kids. And so being married with kids on a tour bus with, like, other dudes that are married with kids. It's got to feel very.

[Dani]

Is weird.

[Jordan]

It's got to feel weird.

[Danny]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

It's got to feel like, okay, I know it's my job, but, like, I also, like, don't belong, babe.

[Dani]

Like, think about how hard that is. Like, if you were a musician.

[Guest/Advertiser]

Yeah.

[Dani]

And, like, you were leaving our kids, like, for weeks at a time.

[Jordan]

No.

[Dani]

Like, you'd be so homesick.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dani]

And then, like, what if you were like, come out on the road with me? I'd be like, no. Like, I'm not going to go live in a tour bus with my four children.

[Jordan]

Right.

[Dani]

So hard. But then they're also, like, doing what they love.

[Jordan]

But then if I was like, it's also got to be hard in a relationship, because then if I'm, like, a rock star, hypothetically. And then, like, you know, there's all these, like, groupies around, you know, you've got to be like, yeah, yeah. I'm at home with the kids. And, like, there's this other life you're living. It's just. But the reason, I think that because I always wondered why these, like. Like, OG rock groups like Aerosmith or,

[Dani]

you know, go back on tour.

[Jordan]

Go back on tour.

[Dani]

It makes sense to me. Like, Backstreet Boys, too.

[Jordan]

It makes sense because, honestly, there's so much money in it and all of the touring they did prior, there were so many hands in the cookie jar.

[Dani]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

That they're probably not walking away as, like, wealthy as you think. Yeah. They go through. I like entertainers, most of them. Unless you're like a Tom Cruise, Kevin Hart mogul, superstar. They walk away and they have. They go through seasons of being rich, but they never. It's hard to transition that into, like, wealth that you can live off and see.

[Dani]

I have a different theory.

[Jordan]

What is it?

[Dani]

Of why these bands, like, get back together, like, 20 years later and go back on tour.

[Jordan]

You don't think it's money?

[Dani]

No, I think that they. So they go on tour when they're, like, up and coming, rising to fame, super famous, and they probably do the whole tour thing, like the Jonas Brothers, like, probably super unhealthy because they've never done it before. They don't know how to do it. They don't know how to, like. Like, even split percentages, whatever. So they probably go and they're, like, so burnt out and so tired. They're probably take a break for, like, 20 years. They're like, I'm gonna go raise kids, have, you know, have a family, get married and I think their kids grow up and they're like, wait, I'm. I miss this part of it, and I'm going to go back to it with so much more wisdom and do it, like, the right, healthy way. Like the Backstreet Boys. I feel like, the way that, like, they have so much, like, longevity with their career now, because I feel like they have, like, boundaries, and they, like, know exactly how to go on tour and be healthy and do. You know, it's like. And I think they just, like, love the music side. They love the performing side, but they know what not to do now. Like the Jonas Brothers, like, they're back together. Like, the. Oh, I don't know if, like, the three, but they are, like, close again. Whenever they had their moment, they had to, like, break apart, go do their own things. And now it's like, okay, we're. We've grown up. We've learned our lessons. Like, let's do this the right way.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dani]

Because if you're a performer, like, once

[Jordan]

a performer, always performer, it's like. And I also now empathize with, like, musicians who cancel shows or, like, cancel, because it's like, you know, the. The PTSD it gives me is like, when you had, like, a team of five, right? And like, the entire.

[Dani]

I think seven.

[Jordan]

Seven. Yeah, probably seven. The entire business orchestrated around your output. And so then I just remember, like. Like realizing the pressure you felt during those times to be like, hey, if I don't go, this whole thing doesn't go. And, like, you love the people who are on your team, and you can take what you felt and you witnessed and maximize that times, like, 50 for, like, tours. But you got managers now. You've got fans.

[Dani]

You've got, like, selling, like, millions of tickets.

[Jordan]

You can't. You can't be off. You can't be off for a second.

[Dani]

I'm telling you, it changes.

[Jordan]

That's why Taylor Swift and I would be so curious to, like, really understand how Forest Frank is doing. The reason for it is, like, he's going through the traditional touring system. You know, he's got JP Pakluda, who's been on this podcast with him. Yeah, I think he's, like, going around different cities with him.

[Dani]

Oh, why? Just to, like, mentor him or, like,

[Jordan]

think he's a part of the show? I don't know. I've never been to a Forest Frank concert. But you know what?

[Dani]

I think bringing a pastor is a good idea.

[Jordan]

No, I think it's a. If that's why he's doing it. I think it's a genius idea. But it's interesting for him because he's obviously trying to walk very faithfully, you know, in his faith, through a really trying, like, just circumstantial event, which is a tour.

[Dani]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

And it would just be interesting to hear his perspective of, like, life on the road and touring while also being a father and, like, a Christian.

[Guest/Advertiser]

It's.

[Jordan]

It's just got to be interesting.

[Dani]

Does he live in Nashville?

[Jordan]

No, I think he lived in Waco.

[Dani]

What?

[Jordan]

Yeah, that's how he knew J.P. wait,

[Dani]

I did not know that.

[Jordan]

Yeah, I think he was, like, in Waco, and then I think he went to Arizona, maybe California.

[Dani]

Yeah, you're right. He's like, a skateboarder, so it makes sense. Yeah, I don't see a lot of skateboarders in Nashville.

[Jordan]

No.

[Dani]

Anyway, okay. So I do want to move on.

[Jordan]

Okay.

[Dani]

With. Only because we did promise our audience a Q and A. So we had people submit questions. Oh, you didn't know.

[Jordan]

No, I didn't know.

[Dani]

Okay, so we have some questions from the audience, and I kind of want to get to them.

[Jordan]

Should I pull them up, too, so that.

[Dani]

No, I'll ask. Oh, okay. Yeah. So I'm going to ask you first. They wanted, like, a life update about our move. How are you really doing being away from both of your families? How has the transition to Nashville been overall?

[Jordan]

Oh, you want to take that one?

[Dani]

No. Okay. You want me to?

[Guest/Advertiser]

Yeah, you take it.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dani]

Okay. So how have we really been doing away from our families, and how's the transition been? It almost feels like whenever you go to college and you're like, oh, I'm away from my parents. You know, I kind of feel that way because we've lived in Dallas near our parents, like, I mean, our entire lives, except for college. And I think what's special about moving to a new city where you don't have as much family is you really have to, like, rely on your kids community and build community. Like, usually whenever we need a babysitter or something, like, we're sick or whatever. Like, you could so easily call your family and your parents, which is so great. But it's also really sweet to, like, build that type of, like, trust and community. We're, like, super reliant on them. And so I feel like being apart from them has, like, really helped us make good friends really fast. Therefore, I feel like the transition has been easier. And I have so many, like, cool people that have, like, really taken care of us. I think you feel that same way. With some of the guys. Yeah. That have made the transition, like, so easy, and, like, I feel so thankful for them. They've invited us to everything. Birthday parties, escape rooms.

[Jordan]

I mean, this girl's wearing. And if you're not watching her hat literally says, nashville is my happy place.

[Dani]

Well, it's, like, funny because, like, everybody's like, you're so touristy with these hats. And I'm like, I know. I love that.

[Jordan]

But it's also the truth.

[Dani]

But it's also, like, the truth, like. And. Yeah, so I felt like it's good, of course. Like, I'm. It's. I miss parts of Dallas, and I miss being so close to our family, but, you know, they're going to be here all the time. It almost will make the time that we have with our family, like, more special because it'll be, like, when they come visit, we'll, like, really cram in some fun stuff.

[Jordan]

Yeah, I agree. I mean, I think that I miss the kids being able to see their grandparents as much, but I. They've been FaceTiming, but I think for, like, our nuclear family, like, no question, this is 100% where we were supposed to be.

[Dani]

So I have, like, a good question. What's been the worst part of Nashville? The worst part of the move, or, like. Nothing.

[Jordan]

Nothing.

[Dani]

I mean, it's more humid here than I thought it was going to be.

[Jordan]

It's a little bit more humid. So, like, there's been a lot of things we've had to, like, get in order just, like, naturally with the move, like finding babysitters and, you know, like, getting all of our furniture here. And I would say, like, there's a little bit of a mental load that I'm, like, looking forward to getting a little bit more settled to where I feel, like, okay, stable. It's, like, a little bit more peaceful. I would say also the hardest part for. For me, and I don't know if you'll feel this, too, is realizing, like, what we want to bring from our old lives into our new life, like, working rhythms and, like, you know, just, like, daily routines and commitments, little habits and commitments and what we say yes to and what we say no to. There's been a lot of things that, you know, a lot of habits or work rhythms in particular that were. That I would follow in my Dallas life that, like, I've not really wanted to have here, but, like, I've had to, like, take these calls or being on these standing meetings or whatever, and that's been hard to kind of sift Through.

[Dani]

I know the worst thing about moving to Nashville. Oh, our sleep.

[Jordan]

Yeah, I was gonna say sleep, but it's so generic.

[Dani]

But yeah, I'm exhausted I think because of the move. Like Smith's sleep routine is totally off.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dani]

So like for example, he was up at 12:30 and 4:30. Oh, I do want to talk about this. This is a really great time to talk about this.

[Jordan]

Oh gosh.

[Dani]

No, it's not bad. Okay, I do want to know. So Smith has not been sleeping through the night a lot. He's either doing like that, you know where he's up at 12 and 4 or he's up at 3:30 and Jordan has been the one to get up and feed him every night. Do you feel resentment over that?

[Jordan]

No.

[Dani]

Frustration towards you?

[Jordan]

Yeah, no.

[Dani]

Do you feel like I should be doing it sometimes?

[Jordan]

No, no.

[Dani]

Why?

[Jordan]

I mean this, this sounds so basic but like I feel like you do the 9:30 feed and I appreciate that and so I'm like, oh, this is just like my job.

[Dani]

Oh really?

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dani]

9:30 at night feed 9:30 at night.

[Jordan]

Yeah, but I am, I, I will, I don't feel resentment, but I, I think I'm starting to realize I'm very tired. Like I, I mean, because it's not just he wakes up at 5, it's like 4:45 and if he wakes up in the middle of the night, it's like I'm. Yeah, I'm pretty tired.

[Dani]

I know. And this is so horrible of me. And I'm not saying that this is like justifies anything, but sometimes I'm like, now you know what it felt like to be pregnant for four years?

[Jordan]

No, for sure.

[Dani]

I mean, I, it's the hardest. Like I. That's how you sleep when you're pregnant.

[Jordan]

Yeah, I don't.

[Dani]

Not at all.

[Jordan]

The I, the only time I, I would say the only time I feel and I wouldn't even say the word is resentment, but frustration, frustration and, or overwhelm is probably the best word is like if you sleep in on the weekends. I feel very overwhelmed because it's like Smith, like I've been up for two and a half hours and then the four kids come down and they're like I'm starving. And I'm just like, okay, but let

[Dani]

me just say the morning that you did that, that I did that you still had more hours of sleep than me.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dani]

Your sleep score was like a 90 and mine was like a 75.

[Jordan]

I know, but I didn't feel it.

[Dani]

I'm just saying it's true.

[Jordan]

The. The downside.

[Dani]

So funny because, like, he's like, I'm so tired. I've been up with him forever and he still has more sleep than me.

[Jordan]

Yeah. The downside to having an eight sleep is you can kind of quantify who's right, who's wrong. Like, I could be like, I'm tired.

[Dani]

Yeah. And I'm like, well.

[Danny]

Really?

[Dani]

You have a 98 sleep score. No, I slept eight hours and 30 minutes last night.

[Jordan]

Yeah. And I feel like you. The reason I don't feel resentment is like, I also feel like you're a lot more and you're transitioning into. This is like you're really present during the day. Like if I'm on calls and stuff. Like. I know. And I know that that's a lot too. So.

[Dani]

Okay, let's see.

[Jordan]

But I'm tired. I know I'm tired right now.

[Dani]

I know. I know. I can tell.

[Jordan]

He Woke up at 4:30.

[Dani]

I know.

[Jordan]

And I was like, I'm just gonna let him cry it out and go back to sleep. And then he just didn't. And then the, The. The funniest thing is, like, I get up with him and he's not even hungry. He just starts laughing. And I'm like, you're. I'm like, I'm mad at you. That's how I feel. I'm not mad at you, Danny. I'm mad at him because he doesn't understand.

[Dani]

He's so cute, though. Okay, moving on to the next question.

[Jordan]

Did your team move with you? Slash, what does work look like now?

[Dani]

Our team did not move with us. We tried. We offered them. We tried to get stars. One of them is married to a doctor. And I was like, veritable's there. I was like, I can call some people. I don't know no one. But yeah, so we tried, but they probably cannot move. But they're still working for us remote, which has been great. They came up last week for the Nordstrom anniversary sale to help me with some content and some meetings and stuff that we had. So they were here for three days. So we'll probably just do that like once a month where they fly out for three days and we just kind of cram everything we need to do in there. I have a new girl that's working for me in Nashville. Not full time, but she's been helping me a lot with, like, filming and some content, some brand deals I have, and she's been great. And so, yeah, our team is kind of all over. The nice thing is we can work remote. Same with Divi. Like, whenever we have right now, we're doing. We're planning, like, a big product launch. We're super excited about something's coming, and all of that is over Zoom. And it's, like, so efficient and so great. You know, I hate meetings.

[Jordan]

I'm like, Danny hates me.

[Dani]

I hate him. I'm like this. Like, seriously, we're talking about this for an hour.

[Jordan]

Like, text me.

[Dani]

I'm like, word vomit. Like, this is like, not doing anything. I'm like, okay. Like, what are we going to do, though?

[Jordan]

Yeah, you're a workhorse.

[Dani]

I'm a workhorse.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dani]

I don't like talking about work. I just like doing it. In fact, talking about it makes me a little anxious.

[Jordan]

I know. And Divi hired a CEO a while ago, and so they're fully remote, so no one would have moved here.

[Dani]

And the nice thing about Divi is, like, I am 100 involved in, like, creating the formulas and, like, product innovation and stuff, product development, but everything else, like, we have people that are way smarter than me doing a lot of Divi. So, you know, I get in on, like, the, like, some of the marketing concepts, but, like, sometimes not even. So I get to kind of pick and choose, like, what I'm involved in, which has been really fun. So. So yeah, we're all kind of working remote. We got the remote life going. All right. Oh. The next question was Smith. Update. How's he sleeping? We'll skip that one. How would you describe each of your kids in three words? Why three words? That's so specific. Oh, three words. Like, one word each.

[Jordan]

Yeah, one word each.

[Dani]

Okay. Stella. Me?

[Jordan]

Yeah, I was gonna say intelligence.

[Dani]

So sweet. Stratton. Emotional.

[Jordan]

Yeah. I was gonna say emotionally intelligent. High E high.

[Dani]

Babe. Yeah, I guess we can hyphenate it. Summit.

[Jordan]

Bro. Lacrosse.

[Danny]

Chill.

[Dani]

Smith.

[Jordan]

Rascal.

[Dani]

I was gonna say, like, happy.

[Jordan]

Yeah, he's happy.

[Dani]

He's such a happy baby.

[Jordan]

It's so hard to know what his personality is right now.

[Dani]

No, but, like, you can tell. You can tell, like, because Stella didn't smile at all, like, for her first, like, three years of life.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dani]

Do you remember how, like, I was like, I used to cry. I'd be like, she's, like, so mean. You remember? Cuz, like, I would be like, stella. And she was, like, so serious. I was like, she doesn't like me.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dani]

She's, like, so obsessed with me.

[Jordan]

But she loves you.

[Dani]

She literally, like, all day long is like, mommy, I just love you. I love you so Much, Mommy. Like, I love you so much. And it's just like, I know. I'm so amazing for you. I love you too. No, but Smith has more of, like, the Summit personality, like, as a baby, because Summit was very smiley, giggly like that.

[Jordan]

I have a great question. This is not on the script, but because the. The funniest thing about our family is there is a through line that goes from tornado to Danny to Stella. Like, that is three peas in a pod.

[Dani]

We are three tornadoes.

[Jordan]

They are three tornadoes. And it's like, if they were together, you'd be like, whoa, don't. Like, literally, you should just leave the room.

[Dani]

Like, you should be scared, or else

[Jordan]

you're gonna have to join this. So. So I'm curious. Like, what. Because she's so similar to you.

[Dani]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

What would you want to teach Stella and either, like, not pass down to her, like, what would you want her to know about you to be? Like, hey, you're gonna encounter this.

[Dani]

I was very insecure as a kid. Like, very insecure. And I compared myself to, like, the other little girls all the time. And I want to protect her from that, but I don't know how, because I just feel like sometimes these things are, like, you're just born with it. Like, some kids are, like, super confident, outgoing, bubbly, and they just, like, are like that. And I feel like I just wasn't. I was very shy, more reserved, like, you know, and. And I just.

[Danny]

Yeah.

[Dani]

Like, every time I went, I. I remember. I mean, probably up until I was in, like, high school, I was so embarrassed of my dark under eyes that, like, whenever I would go anywhere, and I. Because, like, nobody was, like, wearing makeup when you're, like, in fourth grade. But, like, I would, like, sneak some of my mom's concealer and, like, put it on, and I was so embarrassed. And, like, anywhere I went, I would. And I didn't even want my mom to know I was wearing concealer. And I'd, like, go put it on the bathroom because I was so. And I remember one time. This is, like, so sad. I went to tj. TJ Maxx with my mom because that's, like, the only place we ever went. Like, we went probably three times a week. I'm not even kidding. And I remember I was probably, I want to say, in second grade, and I was trying on clothes because my mom loved to, like, buy me new clothes. We loved to try. And, like, we just loved shopping there together. And I remember in second grade, I looked in the mirror and I started crying, and My mom was like, why are you crying? I go, I'm so ugly. Like, I literally thought I was so ugly when I was in second grade that I was so embarrassed. I was so embarrassed to go anywhere. And I don't want Stella to feel that way, but, like, I don't know.

[Jordan]

So. Can I ask you something?

[Dani]

That's why I've always, like, been, like, overly humble. Not to the point where it's like, oh, she's humble. It's, like, because of, like, probably, like, an insecurity that I. That I have. That, like. Like, it's very hard for me to feel, like, like, good about myself.

[Jordan]

So that trait you're describing, is that, like, all little girls, or do you feel like you were, like, uniquely insecure?

[Dani]

No, I think it's a lot of little girls. I think a lot of little. But. But then there's also some little girls. Like, I had a friend who. She was a little bit, like, you know, on the thicker side, you know, and she wore these crop tops in second grade, and she, like, babe, she literally thought she had the best voice ever, and she would sing every day at recess, and, like, she's so Me. She had a horrible voice, and we would just, like, listen to her, and I'd be like, how does she think that she's good? And, like, she truly, like, every single time they ask, like, what do you want to be when you grow up? She's like, I want to be a singer. And, like, we're all like, dude, like, you're not going to be a singer. And I, like, love. I look back at that, and I'm like, that is so sweet. Like, I love that she had that innocence and that, like, confidence. And I would have never been like that. Yeah, you know, we do, like, get in a room, and we'd be like, okay, let's all sing, like, our real voices. Like, did you ever do that?

[Jordan]

No.

[Dani]

It must be, like, a girl thing. But, like, we'd sit around a circle and be like, all right, I'm going to go first. Like, we would all sing, like, our real voices.

[Jordan]

It's so funny, because the reason I asked that is I do feel like I do see that in Stell a little bit.

[Dani]

I know. Like, a little insecure, like, constantly. Like, she gets embarrassed really easily embarrassed. Oh, I'm so embarrassed. Easily, like, to the point where it's like, you make it more embarrassing because of how you're acting. And I see it took me a long time to gain my confidence, and I think a lot of it I. Here's the hard thing. I think a lot of it was, like, really good for me because I feel like I was never able to, like, rely on maybe these, like, external things. Like, I had to, like, right. Have a decent personality or I had to, like, really challenge myself to talk to people. And, like, I had to, like, really work, you know, you have to, like, work for it whenever it's just not. I don't know.

[Jordan]

So here's the question. So I think your mom identified that same probably insecurity and timidity in you too. And she probably tried from a good place. She probably tried to pull that out so that you would be more confidence. Confident. What would you. What worked and what didn't work and how would you teach Stella?

[Dani]

I think that the. I think, honestly the best thing or what I've been doing for Stella, because I always felt like my shot. Like, being shy was wrong.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dani]

Like, I felt like being shy was embarrassing. It was wrong. Like, I felt like I was always being confused compared to other girls that had more outgoing personalities than me. So it made me feel even worse about it. And so I always tell Zilla, I'm like, I don't care if you're shy. Like, you can be shy. You don't have to go talk to that girl. You don't have to play with them, but you have to be kind and you have to have manners.

[Jordan]

Right.

[Dani]

So I always tell her, it's okay to be shy, you know, and besides that, I mean, a lot of times I feel like it's like protecting them from things that they're, like, going to compare themselves to. But you also, like, can't protect them from everything.

[Jordan]

Yeah, but you can protect, like, how we communicate comparison to them.

[Dani]

Yeah. So I try to never, like, be like, oh, like, you should go, like, dress like that other little girl. You should be like that other. Like, be outgoing like that other little girl. Because she's been hanging out a lot with Ella Favre, who's like, obviously the most outgoing 7 year old on the planet. She's a star and she's a star and she's. And Stella's very different than her. Like, you know, once Stella opens up, she's outgoing too, but she's very. She's way more shy and reserved. And I always like. I'm like, I'm like, that's so great about Ella. But it's okay that you're not like, like that.

[Jordan]

It's okay that she's adopted some of her mannerisms. No.

[Dani]

Really?

[Jordan]

Yeah, for sure.

[Dani]

Still is very impressionable. And I was, too. I still am. Like, if I hang out with someone that uses a certain type of word or they move their hands a certain type of way, I will adopt it 100 all the time. Like, my roommate in college always went like this with her hair. So, like, I started doing that. And then my friend Becca. Remember Becca?

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dani]

She always. Whenever you would talk to her, she would go like this. Like, when she was really trying to understand, I started doing that. Like, I. I just copy everybody's mannerisms. I don't really have anything of my own.

[Guest/Advertiser]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

I feel all the same ways that you feel about Stella. Like, you see yourself in her. I feel. That was Stratton. Yeah, I feel it. And I told you that. And I was like, I really. I really want to really analyze, like, what I would have done differently as a kid.

[Dani]

I think you're a great dad to Stratton.

[Jordan]

Yeah, I know. He. He's someone that. I even realized this last night. It's so hard with four, but, like, he needs way more one on one time.

[Dani]

Yeah. You do a great job with Stratton doing one on one, though.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dani]

I probably should do a little bit better. But it's so hard because still, like, it's so upset. Like, you can't go anywhere without her. She'll like, be mad at you for days. But, yeah, for sure. Okay. I wanted to ask you, do you want to have more babies?

[Jordan]

Honestly, it was so funny. I was talking to. So at this church service, it's like on a farm where they also do a homeschool thing.

[Dani]

I have no idea what you're gonna say.

[Jordan]

Well, she was saying that she has four. And I was talking. I was like, yeah, you know what? We're in Nashville. Big families. Maybe we just have more. And then I woke up this morning,

[Dani]

you're like, what was like 4. 45?

[Jordan]

And I was like, no, you're crazy. I was like, you're crazy. Jordan.

[Dani]

Do you think it's, like, a mental illness that I want to have more? Not to be. Not like. But like, it's like, not because it's like, oh, having big families is bad. Sorry. Like, that's not. But, like, I'm not okay, and I want another one.

[Jordan]

I think it's okay. I think this is controversial to say. I think it's borderline irresponsible.

[Dani]

Okay, no, I'll take it. I'll receive that.

[Jordan]

No, no, no. I'm saying I feel the same. We're in the same boat. I feel like it's borderline irresponsible because I think at what point when you keep pushing for more children, are you putting like the bigger picture at risk?

[Dani]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

But you know, whether it be like our marriage or our relationship or our sanity or like our time with the

[Dani]

other four, they start taking care of each other. They become like a little pact and that's something like, you know, it's actually

[Jordan]

probably good for them, but we haven't seen that yet.

[Dani]

Yeah, we haven't seen that yet.

[Danny]

They're not old.

[Jordan]

Thing is like, people say that all the time and they're probably right. So someone who is maybe four years ahead of us can coach us and be like, man, don't slow down, keep having more. But like, we've never told us that we, we have never experienced relief in any sense because the minute that we get relief of our kids, like being a certain age where they can like get dressed by themselves, we have three others that can't. And then by the time they're all self sufficient, we have another one.

[Dani]

It's psychotic behavior and something that we haven't really shared. I don't think I've shared it ever on Instagram or on the podcast, but maybe I have. But Smith was in the 1 percentile with his weight. So I have been like, that's why he's not also not sleeping through the night is because I am doing zero sleep training. Like when he cries, I just feed him, cry, feed him because I just want him to gain weight. And so now he's in the 5 percentile. And like there is, I've like hired doctors and therapists and ots and pts and all the things. And everybody's like, yeah, he's fine, he's just developing in like his own time. And he's on like he has like a consistent growth curve so there's nothing to be concerned about. But of course, like as a mom, like my friend Ellie's baby at a month old weighs as much as smith weighs at 4 months old. Like, that's it. It worries me, you know, and so it's things like that that like are so stressful. And then I'm like, I can't imagine going through all of this and then also being pregnant and feeling sick and feeling guilty about like it would be so, so hard. And so when you say, when you say irresponsible, it's like mentally too.

[Jordan]

No, that's what I mean. I would say predominantly, I mean mentally a little bit physically in the sense

[Dani]

that like my uterus might fall out

[Jordan]

no, well, sure, it's possible, but, like, I meant, like, okay, so when you're pregnant, you go. You have really hard pregnancies. I think that's just factual at this point.

[Dani]

And

[Jordan]

with the others, it's like, I could carry the load of, like, managing two or three. I. If you're out.

[Dani]

Yeah, no, it's not good.

[Jordan]

I don't think I can do it all. Like, I. And I. I would be worried about being stretched so thin mentally myself and then, like, needing to be the strong person for both of us. Like, I just don't. I don't know. I guarantee everyone's going to be like, God will provide in the comments. Like, he's gonna be gracious to you. And I'm like, save it. Save it, you Nashville moms. I don't want to hear it. Okay. Are we planning on staying in Nashville long term?

[Dani]

Yeah. I'm never going back.

[Jordan]

I. I was. My answer was going to be, I think that we will be in Nashville to raise our children. I think we will go further out is my guess.

[Dani]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

Probably with more lands. And then I think that the. Even if we weren't in Nashville, I don't ever see us being called back to Dallas. What's something you would de influence right now?

[Dani]

Oh, something I would de influence right now. I did go off on the Hatch Sound Machine. Sound Machine. I can't say Sound Machine saw that. They're horrible.

[Jordan]

I hate them.

[Dani]

They're the worst.

[Jordan]

Don't charge Nanit too.

[Dani]

Oh, I like Nanit.

[Jordan]

Well, I just don't understand. Why are you making me pay a subscription?

[Dani]

No.

[Jordan]

Core product.

[Dani]

No, I agree.

[Jordan]

It's like, for Hatch to, like, hide features behind a paywall. Like, what, Paying? I'm paying a monthly subscription for a Sound Machine.

[Dani]

No, it's. It's.

[Jordan]

That's crazy.

[Dani]

It's nasty.

[Jordan]

That's crazy.

[Dani]

So did you see I, like, replace them all with, like, Amazon ones for $15 and we can travel with them. They're so much smaller.

[Jordan]

I know. The only problem is the Hatch does have it to where, like, you can schedule it to where it turns green in the morning when they can, like, get up and come down.

[Dani]

Do you have to pay for that feature?

[Guest/Advertiser]

Yes.

[Dani]

Yeah, that's exactly. I'm not paying for that.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dani]

It's so silly.

[Jordan]

Well, if they start coming down, I'm

[Dani]

like, just use the sun. When you see the sun up, you

[Jordan]

can go outside the sun. I can tell you from experience this morning, the sun does come up at 5:05. So I don't know if you feel that.

[Dani]

Well, why don't you just let them get up and play in that little playroom until we come get them?

[Jordan]

They. Daddy. Daddy. Stratton. Hit me. Daddy, can you come do this? Like, it's like. It's just.

[Dani]

I know. You know, something I want to talk to you about is, like, you've been getting on them for, like, not sleeping long enough. But, like, I didn't sleep. I always Woke up at 5:00am until I was like, 13, 14, 15 years old. Like, it's just. I don't know, the way that I was wired. Also, you've been getting onto them for being such picky eaters. And I was, too. And you probably were, too.

[Jordan]

Yeah, it's just. Yeah, okay, this is what I'm saying. I don't. I think I am a little bit more irritable because I need to sleep, you know? So if anyone's feeling that in the family, it's probably.

[Dani]

Except for we both got seven hours last night.

[Jordan]

Just saying

[Dani]

maybe.

[Jordan]

I just want you to listen and understand, okay?

[Dani]

I love you.

[Jordan]

What are the best and worst parts of being an influencer?

[Dani]

The best parts totally outweigh the bad parts.

[Danny]

I'm.

[Dani]

I love it.

[Jordan]

She loves it. She'll do it till the day she dies.

[Dani]

I literally will be in a wheelchair going to the Nordstrom anniversary sale, sharing my favorite finds. I.

[Jordan]

What's so funny, too just about you, that I just want to say is, like, people crap on influencers all the time because they're like. They're just doing this for the money. She. They're saying this. Ask Danny how much money she makes. She has zero clue. Like, she has zero clue. Any single number that goes on.

[Dani]

It's true.

[Jordan]

Zero clue.

[Dani]

I typically, like, will be like, how much money did we make last year? And then I get, like, one update and I'm like, okay, like, let's try to beat it. And then I just. Just, like, go into my zone and I never asked for another girl.

[Jordan]

Like, if she feels like she, like, bought a designer bag, which she can for sure afford. She has this weird girl math ledger in her brain where she's like, I need to start selling my clothes, like, because I'm guilty for buying this bag. And it's just the funniest thing.

[Dani]

The times that I splurge on my clothes is when I've allowed myself to splurge on my clothes. Whenever I'm, like, representing Divi or I'm going to an event because somebody somewhere, one time told me that it was important for me to have a nice image when I'm representing Divi. And so I was like, I use it as an excuse.

[Jordan]

Who said that?

[Dani]

I don't know.

[Jordan]

Or did you ever not have a nice image?

[Dani]

I guess they just were like, yeah, you should. If you're gonna spend money on, like, your outfits and, like, go all out, it's like, you should dress well for Divi, you know, if you're gonna be, like, the founder of Divi. And I was like, say no more.

[Jordan]

The other thing I would say, and I don't know if you agree with this. I don't even really feel like, if you. Like, I don't think that you or our family thinks about yourself as an influencer. Like, you might say it as, like,

[Dani]

no, I look at all that. I look at all the influencers that are influencers now, and I'm like, y' all don't even know. Like, you're not. Like, you're not og. Like, we are.

[Jordan]

But what I'm saying is, like, I feel like.

[Dani]

Like, I've been doing this for almost 15 years. It's very rare to find, like, an influencer that's been doing this for 15 years.

[Jordan]

That's what I'm saying is I don't even think. Because you don't know how much money you make. I don't even think you see it as, like, a job. I think it's just a part of you.

[Dani]

No, exactly. I started when I was 19. I was a baby. Like, I don't know a life without it. I bet. I also don't want to know a life without it. Like, I love it so much. I love the freedom to share what I want to share. I love the way that I can pivot. Like, I love that I can, like, use it to help people. I love that I can do it when I'm bored. Like, a lot of times, I just start doing it when I'm bored, truly. You know, like, and, like, usually when I find, like, a good book, I just don't work as much. But I have to be careful because, like, if I find a good book, like, I'm actually not working for a while.

[Jordan]

I know you still haven't opened up Theo Gold or whatever.

[Dani]

Yeah. Oh, Theo golden or whatever.

[Danny]

Yeah.

[Dani]

Yeah. And, yeah, I just, like, love. It's also, like, a really fun challenge because I love to, like, teach people new things or I just love storytelling.

[Jordan]

What is the worst part about it?

[Dani]

I mean, a lot of people don't like me, which is hard sometimes, but that's probably the hardest part.

[Jordan]

I would say the hardest part for our family is I call it, like, proactive pr. So, like, you know, so many things on the Internet are misconstrued or, like, it's like. Especially since TikTok came out, like, it's like. Like, you. You pull it a thread, and it's like you build a narrative out of the thread. And for the people on the receiving end of that narrative, it's almost entirely. It's. It's impossible to unwind the ball of yarn because it's like you're operating off of this fact. That's not true. But I don't know how to go back and explain that one fast.

[Dani]

Okay, so I would say the hardest part is that I often want to defend myself or create content to explain something, but then that, like, just everybody knows it always makes it worse. Or it's just, like, giving more attention. You're almost, like, making the issue bigger. So then I just don't. And that's, like, frustrating because a lot of times, like, I want to be, like, I just want to, like, get on and defend myself.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dani]

So I just have to ignore it. And that's annoying because you have to, like, swallow your pride when you ignore something like that. Like, and I think as human beings, like, we just want. We want life to be fairer. And, like, sometimes we're just a little bit more prideful. And, like, my ego, sometimes it's, like, really hurt whenever people are saying all this stuff that's, like, not true. And then I have to be like, just live with it and just let people believe a lie.

[Guest/Advertiser]

Yeah.

[Dani]

Or sometimes I did make a mistake, and I am a. I'm a little rascal.

[Jordan]

Yeah, that's good.

[Dani]

What's the hardest part for you?

[Jordan]

I would say that, like, I would say I don't mind it being a part of our lives by any means. I think over the past couple years, like, I've really, like, if I go to an event, like, a local event in Nashville or meet new friends, like, when I'm meeting you, I am not meeting you as, like, oh, my wife, or our family has a following on Instagram, I'm like, hey, this is real me. And so it's hard when some of the narratives get so out of control that it affects, like, a relationship. A relationship. Or, like, how I feel walking into, like, real life rooms. Because I've just learned you've been doing it way longer. But I think since COVID there's been such a vast rift between real life and, like, actual life, like, the real world and what's going on in the real world and, like, how digitally consumed someone is. And you can tell this by, like, you know, people's mental health, their mental state. There was this article I was reading in my email newsletter, and it was talking about how, like, women in the South. It was like a. Like a New York Times article or something, and it was like, women in the south are keeping New York fashion in business because they actually have places to go and dress up.

[Dani]

Oh, funny.

[Jordan]

And they were like, we're seeing the collapse of, like, consumer economies and, like, buying things in urban women. Because they're like, what? I don't. They're just. Their whole lives are online.

[Dani]

Oh, funny.

[Jordan]

And so their drama's online. Their communities are online. And that just, like. Like, does something to people. And so I think it's hard to, like, exist in that world and this world sometimes. But it's not a big deal.

[Danny]

I mean, those are pretty good questions. Do we want to do any more?

[Jordan]

No. Let's go.

[Dani]

Okay.

[Jordan]

Irish, goodbye.

[Dani]

Well, bye. This was a lot of fun, babe. We talked about some really, really tough topics.

[Jordan]

We did.

[Dani]

Thank you guys for listening. Make sure you check us out on Instagram TikTok D influence podcast. Leave a comment down below with maybe, like, another, you know, question that we can answer on our next podcast. We're going to Costa Rica, though, so we'll update you on that trip. We're super excited. We love you guys, and we'll talk to you soon.

[Danny]

Bye.

[Dani]

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