What Didn’t We Talk About??

Summary

De-Influenced with Dani + Jordan

Episode: What Didn’t We Talk About??
Date: July 23, 2026
Host: Dear Media

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Episode Overview

In this episode of De-Influenced, Dani and her husband Jordan lean into their signature unscripted, candid style, tackling everything from pop culture and marriage dynamics to parenting, technology, AI, social trends, and their recent move to Nashville. The pair riff off each other’s quirks, share personal stories, and, without a set plan, deliver a rich blend of humor, vulnerability, and genuine discussion on topics shaping their lives and society. The result is a lively, thoughtful conversation that fuses personal anecdotes with deeper questions on work, gender roles, and the impact of technology.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. The Value of Deep Dives in Marriage and Life

Timestamps: 00:33–03:05

• Jordan’s constant obsession with new subjects (most recently, Greek mythology and The Odyssey), and how Dani sometimes “co-opts” his talking points, leads to shared learning and deeper connection.
• Reflect on needing new shared interests beyond parenting in a marriage as the years pass.
  "If we really want to do this thing called life or this thing called marriage, we’re gonna have to find some commonalities outside of just having babies." – Dani (00:46)
• Marriage is about rediscovering each other and staying curious, especially as routines settle and novelty fades.

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2. Confidence, “Delulu” Traits, and Self-Perception

Timestamps: 04:15–09:39

• Self-deprecating humor about Jordan’s body confidence and his belief that he looks like Brad Pitt—dubbed “endearing delusion” or “delulu.”
• Discussion about how confidence can sometimes be out of sync with reality, but that optimism versus harsh self-critique both have value. "I can think that I am Brad Pitt, but I’m actually 40 pounds, probably overweight." – Jordan (06:20)
• Dani describes feeling "secondhand embarrassment" over Jordan’s shirtless selfies but admires his self-assurance.

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3. Memory Gaps, Parenting Realities, and Historical Fascinations

Timestamps: 11:03–13:43

• Lighthearted confession: Dani made up her child's middle name at a dinner because she forgot it—highlighting the mental load of motherhood. “I made it up. I literally made it up.” – Dani (11:29)
• Joy in learning history together, especially as adults, and the unreliability and complexity of historical narratives.
• Questioning how history is taught in schools, and how embracing multiple perspectives is more engaging.

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4. Technology, Literature, and Learning Hacks

Timestamps: 13:43–15:29

• Sharing a "Kindle hack": Use Text Muncher and ChatGPT to summarize or break down literary classics like The Iliad and The Odyssey—accepting “Millennial SparkNotes.” "If you buy a Kindle book, you can use an app called Text Muncher to basically get the epub file ...upload it to ChatGPT and ask it to summarize each chapter." – Jordan (13:43)
• Discussion around various translations of The Odyssey (especially Emily Wilson’s 2017 edition as used by Christopher Nolan).

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5. The Odyssey Movie Review & Greek Mythology in Pop Culture

Timestamps: 20:17–29:36

• Jordan’s impassioned praise for the new Odyssey film, highlighting its authenticity, epic structure, and minimal CGI. "I walked out with chills. Straight up and down my arm." – Jordan (23:47)
• Critiques include some modern dialogue and one weaker performance, but praises the practical effects, realism, and dedication of the cast and director.
• Tidbits on the practical hurdles of filming (no CGI, real on-location shoots, challenging stunts) and the dedication of Christopher Nolan, described as a “hoity toity, artistic dude” with a flip phone (28:47).

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6. Cultural Adjustments & Parenting in Nashville

Timestamps: 29:39–34:26, 48:06–56:23

• The couple discusses adapting to a new city, finding friends (especially as parents of young children), and noticing the prevalence of large families in Nashville.
• Reflection on the pressure, inspiration, and sometimes insecurity Dani feels among local moms with traditional skills and deep hospitality. "I feel like I've—when I first started having kids—valued growing in my career way more ... Now I'm like, I don't know how to make a roast..." – Dani (51:29)
• Cultural differences: Nashville’s family-centric and community-oriented traditions versus the more career-focused Dallas environment.
  "I feel like in Western culture ... women are expected to now work. But also my whole childhood, it was all about: Dani, you can be whatever you want to be, and it was never about being a mom.” – Dani (48:44)

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7. Pronatalism, Demographics, Social Security, & AI's Economic Impact

Timestamps: 34:11–47:09

• Discuss the pronatalist movement—boosting birthrates to prevent population decline—not necessarily tied to religion.
• The challenge of supporting an aging population as birthrates drop:
  “It’s like a seesaw. Way too many people on the old side and not enough on the young side. So everything just crashes.” – Producer (45:15)
• AI and automation: Will robots take jobs, reducing the need for large populations? Possible shifts from individual to corporate taxation as human labor declines.
• Water scarcity and data centers: Referencing Erin Brockovich’s advocacy, the environmental toll of AI infrastructure, and international competition around technology.

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8. The Complexity of Help, “Rescuing,” and Growth in Marriage

Timestamps: 58:08–64:13

• Jordan’s self-reflection: His tendency to "fix" problems for Dani as a kind of “good husband syndrome,” but recognizing that over-helping can make partners less confident and rob them of a sense of purpose. "By helping, we actually cripple you to be able to learn and be the mother you want to be. On accident, we think we’re doing something good.” – Jordan (62:18)
• Dani embraces “sitting in discomfort” as necessary for personal growth.
• They note a sense of increased satisfaction and partnership in the chaos and exhaustion of raising young children — “survival mode.”

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9. Embracing Uncertainty and Adventure

Timestamps: 64:35–68:49

• The upcoming family trip to Costa Rica, anxiety about logistics, bugs, and safety, and the different risk profiles between Dani (adventurous, present) and Jordan (risk-averse, planner).
• Humorous exchanges about helicopter rides (with a note about nearly taking the same helicopter as Kobe Bryant), and the art of balancing structured planning with living in the moment.
  "That's the nice thing about having, like, a little bit smaller of a brain, you know, I just don’t really think about so much ... Just kind of like, it's fine." – Dani (67:28)
• Playful banter about how Dani’s spontaneity keeps their life lively, while Jordan’s planning helps manage chaos.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Marriage & Learning:
  "At a certain point, six years in, you already know all the stories ... so there’s really nothing new to learn about each other." – Dani (00:46)
• On Confidence:
  "In my head ... I was like, I’m ripped. Like I’m jacked." – Jordan (07:20)
• On Gender Roles:
  “You can be everything. But I think a big part of our humanity ... is that we can’t do everything.” – Jordan (53:16)
• On Parenting:
  "It's survival mode, literally ... but we're kind of the happiest we've ever been. No, for sure, the most satisfied." – Jordan (57:46)
• On Helping vs. Growing:
  "When you see someone at the gym struggling to raise the bar over their head, ... you go up and help, that's actually not helping them... what's really going to help is if they figure out how to do it on their own.” – Dani (60:52)
• On Spontaneity:
  “That’s the nice thing about having a little bit smaller of a brain ... I just don’t really think about so much.” – Dani (67:28)
  “One of your superpowers is being fully present in every moment.” – Jordan (67:41)

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Highlighted Timestamps

• (03:05–04:04): Kindle hack and “co-opting” deep dives in marriage
• (07:13–09:39): “Delulu” body confidence and self-perception
• (13:43–15:29): Modern tech meets ancient stories: ChatGPT, translations, storytelling
• (20:17–29:36): The Odyssey movie: plot, performances, production, and critiques
• (34:11–35:59, 45:13–46:54): Pronatalism, AI, social security, and tax/policy effects
• (53:16–56:23): Gender expectations, career vs. family, pressure and inspiration in new environments
• (62:05–63:02): The “good husband syndrome” and letting partners struggle for growth
• (67:41–68:49): Dani’s “superpower” of presence and living in the moment

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Final Thoughts

This episode captures Dani and Jordan’s signature blend of humor, honesty, and cultural observation. Amid stories and laughs, they offer meaningful reflections on the evolving challenges of marriage, parenthood, work, and the growing impact of technology and social norms. Listeners will find both comfort and food for thought—reminders that it’s normal to feel “in the trenches,” a little bit “delulu,” and that the only constant is navigating growth, discomfort, and joy together.

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Transcript

[Producer]

Foreign.

[Danny]

The following podcast is a Dear media production. Hello, and welcome back to your favorite podcast D Influence.

[Jordan]

We have nothing to talk about today.

[Danny]

No, we don't.

[Sponsor Host 1]

We do.

[Jordan]

We probably do. But we don't have a plan. But we never have.

[Danny]

We honestly, even if we had a plan, we never actually go by the script.

[Jordan]

But sometimes these end up being the silliest, funniest, best episodes. No pressure.

[Danny]

Yeah. Tell me you got any jokes.

[Jordan]

No, but I can talk about the Odyssey.

[Danny]

Jordan really wants to talk about the Odyssey.

[Jordan]

I really want to talk about the Odyssey.

[Danny]

And that's what's kind of fun about our relationship, is I feel like we always have something that we're both deep diving into.

[Jordan]

When did that happen?

[Danny]

Honestly, I think it's like, probably after, like, the third kid. I think we just knew, like, if we really want to do this thing called life or this, like, thing called marriage, we're gonna have to find some commonalities outside of just having babies. And at a certain point, you know, six years in, it's like, you already know all the stories. You know, you already knew everything about me, I already know everything about you. Like, we both tell the same stories, so there's really nothing new to, like, learn about each other.

[Jordan]

Also, life kind of slows down, so it's not like.

[Danny]

It's not like we're doing a lot of stuff.

[Producer]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

Every day is kind of the same.

[Danny]

Yeah. Like, before we were first married, like, you're traveling, so you always have something new to talk about. And. And then at a certain point, you look at each other and you're like.

[Jordan]

Have you ever seen those, like, tiktoks where it's like, wife comes home from, like, a girl's night and, like, the. The husband's, like, on the, like, ready

[Danny]

to hear all the tickets, but we

[Jordan]

don't even have that anymore.

[Danny]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

We don't really have any, like, drama.

[Danny]

No, I know. I'm like, well, I mean, like, yeah,

[Jordan]

like, you bring some dramator from the Internet, but. But not really, like, real life drama.

[Danny]

Yeah. So I feel like we both just decided that it's. We're gonna have to either have a hobby or, like, keep learning some stuff.

[Jordan]

I think someone almost got in a crash outside.

[Danny]

Yeah, we just.

[Jordan]

Okay. We're in a new studio.

[Danny]

Jordan's still not used to it.

[Jordan]

Yeah, still not used to it.

[Sponsor Host 2]

Very dangerous.

[Sponsor Host 1]

Yeah.

[Danny]

So I feel like we're always deep diving. Right now. Jordan is deep, and then what's so fun about our deep dives is, like, Jordan will just, like, Obsess about something and then, like, will tell me about it and I'll decide if I want to deep dive with him. Like, you had a couple. Like, I was, like, on the fringe. Like, which ones?

[Jordan]

I feel like you followed me into

[Sponsor Host 2]

the dark and all.

[Danny]

No, the. The book about the Federal Reserve. I was like, I'm not. I'm not going there. Yeah.

[Jordan]

Huge mess.

[Danny]

I did the Unseen Realm. I followed him into that halfway realm. Halfway. I'm still working on it. And then he got into Greek mythology, and I was like, not super, super interested, actually. No, I'm sorry. You got into the Roman Empire first.

[Sponsor Host 2]

Yeah.

[Danny]

Then you got into Greek mythology, and then the Odyssey came out, and I was like, okay. Like, he said, it's a really good movie. I should deep dive. So I've been. Actually, I wouldn't say I'm reading the Iliad or the Odyssey, but I am, like, kind of spark noting it as a millennial would say.

[Jordan]

The other fun thing about you following me into the dark is you kind of co opt a lot of my talking points.

[Danny]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

Like, you shared. I noticed that you allowed for me to share. You share with your audience, the Kindle hack. And then you refilmed it yesterday.

[Danny]

Yeah, because. Because I didn't think you were gonna like your posture.

[Jordan]

Oh, was I doing Grinch belly?

[Danny]

Yeah. And I just, you know, I just care a lot, and I was just trying to save you from.

[Jordan]

Was it really?

[Danny]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

Okay.

[Danny]

I really did. I did really re. Watch it. And then I also thought, you know, if I'm gonna refilm it, I might as well just take the credit.

[Jordan]

Yeah. Grinch Belly is like. For some reason, I have this, like, one way of sitting where.

[Danny]

No, baby, it's just. It's just the way that our bodies are sometimes.

[Jordan]

No, no, it's just. It's just when I said a certain way. It's just what I said a certain way that there's. You know, if you've seen Jim Carrey's the Grinch, he has the belly.

[Danny]

Jordan showed me, like, one of the most, like, I still don't really know how I feel about it. And I've, like, replayed it. I keep, like, envisioning it, and I still don't know. I didn't know how to react.

[Jordan]

But, like, your reaction was weird.

[Danny]

Jordan showed me, like, a shirtless selfie of himself last night, and I was like, like, is this sweet or is this, like, ick? Or am I like, is it endearing? Like, and I was like, I don't. I Don't know how to, like, interpret this.

[Jordan]

No, it was only for me and you. And it was because it.

[Danny]

Exactly.

[Jordan]

It was only because two months ago, I started a cut, which means that I started eating way less calories. And then I was trying to figure out the before and after because it gets really confusing to know. It's like, is this working or not?

[Danny]

I know, but, like, for some reason, I was, like, feeling a little secondhand embarrassment for you, but then I was like, do I need to take a shirtless selfie to you?

[Jordan]

Yeah, you acted like I should be embarrassed, but I was actually so proud of my progress, which is so crazy.

[Danny]

That's actually one of the reasons I fell in love with Jordan in the first place, is, like, so my dad and I used to call him Sport Coat.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Danny]

Because Jordan, when I met him, was, like, probably 40 pounds heavier, wouldn't you say?

[Jordan]

Yeah, probably.

[Danny]

And the funniest thing is that, like, I always thought he was, like, so cute. But, like, we look back at pictures, and I'm like, whoa. Like, you were, like, a little chubby, but, like, you know, I didn't. I. Like a little meat on the bones. You know what I mean?

[Jordan]

And in my head in those moments.

[Danny]

But y', all, Jordan, when I met him, like, thought he was Brad Pitt. Like, he literally was the most confident person in the world. Like.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Sponsor Host 1]

And he works from home, and he

[Danny]

was the chief marketing officer of his. Like, his confidence was out of this world. And every day he worked from home, he would get up, get dressed. Eight o', clock, he had a sport coat on. Like, a actual blazer.

[Sponsor Host 2]

Dress for success.

[Danny]

He would dress for success, but he would just work from his kitchen. And I always thought that was, like, so cute. And, like, so. But my dad would always be like, where's he going? And so every time he would come around, he had, like, a jacket on. So my dad called, and I would call him Sport Coat.

[Jordan]

Yeah. No. So, okay, I. I need to talk to you about this trait and myself, because I actually. We're meeting a lot of new people here.

[Danny]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

And there's something that has existed in the back of my mind where I'm like. I'm like. I think what I'm talking about is cool, and I think people are engaged and interested. But I do know this quality about myself that it's, like. It's a little bit Delulu. I can think that I am Brad Pitt, but I'm actually 40 pounds, probably overweight. And in. In the first. But the first. No, that's What I want to know is the first selfies that I took, you know, three months ago or two months ago, in those pictures, I was like, I'm ripped. Like I'm jacked. And you were the one who. You were like. And I always come to you, and I ask you. I'm like, no, okay.

[Danny]

He. First of all, he asks me on a daily basis. He takes his shirt off. He's like, what do you think? Do you see a difference? He's like. And then he always does this with his belly. He rubs. He's like, I think I'm leaning out. And he, like, does the side thing. And I'm like. And he literally will eat healthy for 24 hours. So, like, 24 hours later, he's like,

[Jordan]

no, I always eat healthy.

[Danny]

No, I know, but you ask me 24 hours later.

[Jordan]

Yes.

[Danny]

Is it different?

[Jordan]

Yes.

[Danny]

I'm like, babe, it's been 24 hours. Like. But you're always like, I think I. I think I'm skinnier. And I'm always like, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Jordan]

But when I took those pictures, I was like, oh, I'm in great shape. But then I just looked at the ones that I showed you last night from, you know, last night.

[Danny]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

And it was very clear that I needed to lean out a little bit. So this. We don't need to talk about my body. We just need to talk about the Delulu trait of me, because it actually kind of scares me in life, because sometimes, like, especially meeting all these new people, my deepest fear is I'm like, that person loves me. We had a great conversation. And what if they're getting in the car and they're like, that guy's a psychopath.

[Danny]

But you know what?

[Jordan]

I would be totally oblivious to it.

[Danny]

But, babe, we all have those thoughts

[Jordan]

about me, about ourselves.

[Danny]

Oh, sorry. Sorry. No, no. I'm sorry.

[Producer]

No. Okay.

[Danny]

We all have those thoughts about ourselves. I'm like, I was so funny and great and thoughtful, and then it's like, sometimes people just don't like me.

[Jordan]

I'm not trying to bliss smoke. Most of the time. You're right, okay. About your good moments. And the reason you're right about your good moments is because typically, you're pretty hard on yourself and your bad moments. So you have, like, a pretty good, honest calibration of yourself.

[Danny]

What was a bad moment?

[Jordan]

Just usually you're like, oh, man. Like, I don't. I don't think I did well. Did well there. Like, I could have done better. Like, your heart. You're hard on yourself.

[Danny]

Yeah. I was, like, tired. I was like.

[Jordan]

My mentality is so, like.

[Danny]

Like, I killed it every time.

[Jordan]

Naively optimistic, probably. And so this delusional trait you're talking about.

[Danny]

No, I don't think. Okay, let me just stop you right there. I don't think that you're delusional in any other way except for sometimes your body confidence.

[Jordan]

Okay, that's fair. That's fair.

[Danny]

And I think that. And I.

[Sponsor Host 1]

Here's the thing.

[Danny]

I think you look great. I think you looked great in the photo before and the photo after, but it's just like the fact that you were, like, flexing and then you're. I just gets me.

[Jordan]

Well, you're supposed to do that.

[Danny]

I know. And babe, like, you do. You, like, you look so great. Like, just keep on going and, like, send me all the shirtless selfies.

[Producer]

Okay.

[Jordan]

Yeah, they're just for you and I truly. It's in a password protected folder. Yeah, you know the password. Yeah, it's the password. Everything.

[Producer]

Yeah.

[Danny]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

So.

[Sponsor Host 2]

But.

[Danny]

But no, interesting.

[Jordan]

Just parking on this a little bit because there have been several times, bachelor parties here in Nashville where, you know, like, when I'm talking about what I'm learning with the Unseen Realm. Okay. You know how I get. I can go off on a tangent.

[Danny]

And.

[Sponsor Host 1]

And that's. I think.

[Jordan]

And the room is captivating.

[Danny]

And this is one of the greatest things about you is Jordan knows a little bit about everything, and he's always learning new things. So, no, you're not delusional in that way. And I really don't think we need to talk about this anymore.

[Jordan]

Okay. But you called it. You called it. What did you call it? Endearing? Delusion. I think it's endearing.

[Danny]

I think everybody likes a little. A little dulu. It's like innocence.

[Jordan]

All right, so don't tweak anything about my social habits.

[Danny]

No, your social habits. And you're always so. You. You always know so many interesting facts, and you're really good with names. He'll always be like, well, there's this guy, Richard Miles, who. Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And I'm like, I literally sometimes forget my best friend's name. It's horrible. And like, honestly, I always get my kids names switched up.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Danny]

Oh, do you remember. Did you. Did we talk about this last week?

[Jordan]

What?

[Danny]

When we went to that person's house and they asked what Stratton's middle name was or Summit's middle name was.

[Jordan]

Oh, no, you didn't, y'. All.

[Danny]

We went to a dinner, like, probably, like, the third night that we were here, and the sweet family hosted us. They're the ones that had seven kids. And they asked me, like, oh, yeah, like, what's Summit's middle name? And I go, summit Lee. And I. Y'. All. I could not remember Summit's little. I made it up. I literally made it up.

[Jordan]

You know, the biggest mistake I made in that moment was I corrected her, and then she.

[Danny]

He corrected me, and I was like, babe. Just like. He's like, babe, that's not his middle name. I'm like, can you just go with the flow for a second? Yeah. So I have a horrible memory. Jordan has a great memory.

[Jordan]

I can't remember our kids birthdays.

[Danny]

That's the best thing about me is, like, I forget. So, like, every inch in every interesting fact is, like, new to me. Everything I learned, I'm like, wow, I'm learning it all over again every time.

[Jordan]

Yeah, it's.

[Sponsor Host 1]

That's like.

[Danny]

That's why I love history, because I'm like, wow, this is so fascinating. Like, you know, I'm like, World War II is about this.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Danny]

And I. I relearn it every three months.

[Jordan]

Most of what. Most of the paths that we have been going down together, which is such a great thing that we've found together, is history.

[Danny]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

And it's so great because we'll never

[Danny]

learn all of it, and I'll always

[Jordan]

forget it, and it's always kind of debatable. Right. You got this one perspective on this

[Danny]

event, then you got this other perspective. It is so complicated when people say it's not complicated. It is.

[Jordan]

No, for sure. And then the way people going through events, the way it's kind of like, okay, it ends up in textbooks, and then there's some authors or intellectuals that write this angle. And it's just really. It's really hard to understand, which kind of makes me question. Question the way that we're taught history. You know, it's like when we went through public school, it's like, taught in this very kind of mainstream. Like, here's very lacking nuance, and it's not that interesting if you learn it that way. What's interesting about it is all the different perspective on. On events.

[Danny]

I think you appreciate history as you get older because you start to picture yourself there's there. And like. Like, I'm like, oh, my gosh, what if I was a pioneer woman with my husband and he had to leave us every day to go hunting? What would I do with my three small children that are all girls?

[Jordan]

Yeah. We've been watching Little House.

[Sponsor Host 1]

Yeah. I, like.

[Jordan]

I really put Danny in the scene.

[Danny]

I'm like, oh, my gosh, do I need to start wearing long dresses? I'm like, that's why they didn't get mosquito bites. But anyway, enough about history. I want to know more about you.

[Jordan]

One last thing. I do think this should be shared. So the. The Kindle hack is that if you buy a Kindle book, you can use an app called Text Muncher to basically get the epub file. So, like, Danny didn't want to read the Odyssey, which I don't. I wouldn't recommend. She read the whole thing. It's, like, kind of a complex.

[Danny]

I tried. It was just a little too much.

[Jordan]

And so I was like, hey, take this, and then upload it to ChatGPT and then ask it to summarize, like, each chapter for you so that when you go watch the movie.

[Danny]

I had already told ChatGPT to just, like, summarize each.

[Jordan]

I know, but it's totally different because when you actually have. And I think people are gonna get mad about this, but, like, when you actually have the transcript, it's like you can actually live in the story in a better way.

[Danny]

Well, also, there's different, like, authors of different, like, versions of the Iliad.

[Jordan]

Oh, yeah, that's so true.

[Danny]

So we'll chase later. So what's the.

[Jordan]

Really, the popular one is, like, Emily Watson.

[Danny]

No, the guy who just made the movie.

[Jordan]

Oh, Christopher Nolan.

[Danny]

Yeah. Christopher Nolan, like, used a specific.

[Jordan]

Like, which one did he use?

[Danny]

You know, it's. I think it's. It starts with an S. Maybe Sophia something. See, I can't remember nothing.

[Jordan]

Yeah, they're. They're all the same story. It's just, like, translating from the Greek is really hard. So I think her name's Emily Watson. That's the one I read is the most, like, approachable. And then some are just more, like, wordy and cinematic and epic, and then, you know, others are.

[Danny]

Yeah. I mean. Yeah.

[Jordan]

Should we talk about the Odyssey, or

[Producer]

do you not want the 2017 translation by Emily Wilson?

[Sponsor Host 2]

Wilson.

[Danny]

I see. I can't remember.

[Jordan]

Oh, that's the. That's what he used. Christopher Nolan. Okay. That's the most, like, approachable one.

[Sponsor Host 2]

I'm surprised you use that one, to be honest.

[Producer]

Yeah.

[Danny]

I mean, tell us about that experience.

[Sponsor Host 2]

Father's Day is coming up, and I feel like dads are some of the hardest people to shop for, because most of us just say, I'm good.

[Jordan]

I don't need anything.

[Sponsor Host 2]

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[Jordan]

So, first of all, okay, of this family who I got to read you this text message. You'll. You'll die laughing.

[Danny]

Jordan says the Odyssey was the greatest movie he's ever seen. It's a masterpiece. But it's so funny because then I looked in, like, Time magazine, like, wrote, like, a disc piece on it.

[Jordan]

Like, that's so crazy. What did they even say? What was their. What was their negativity?

[Danny]

I didn't read it.

[Jordan]

Exactly. Okay, do me a favor or let me read this.

[Producer]

Are you saying what Time magazine said?

[Jordan]

Yeah, I want to know what time

[Danny]

they said something about how it's just. I don't know.

[Jordan]

Okay, so one of the seven kids. So all these kids are homeschooled. So they're very educated and, like, they're very well read, and they like one of them. I won't say his name on the podcast, but he's my guy. I go to. I talked to him, the unseen realm with him and all this, and you'll. You'll die laughing. They're all very strong believers. And I text him, and I said, hey, did you watch the Odyssey? And he said. He said, Exodus 23:13 caused a lot of Jews and early Christians to have interesting debates on reading Greek mythology, which has been in the back of my mind, and I have not researched it. And I was like, that's such an interesting take. So then I read Exodus 23:13, which I actually don't know what that says.

[Producer]

Hold on, I can get it.

[Jordan]

Oh, it says, Exodus 20:13 commands the Israelites to be careful, to follow all of God's instruction, forbids them from invoking or mentioning the name of other gods, which he's probably right about the history of the church back then, like, entertaining, you know, Greek mythology.

[Danny]

But then he goes, he's protecting his conscience.

[Jordan]

No, he's protecting his conscience. But then I dragged him in, and I was like, listen, just chill, dude.

[Danny]

You're the badass.

[Jordan]

It's like, just calm down. But okay, so my. I won't get too much into the Odyssey, although I think people actually care. You have to go into it, like, with some knowledge of the backstory of the Trojan War, like, who is Achilles? Like, some understanding of Greek mythology and the gods.

[Danny]

Just watch Troy with Brad Pitt.

[Jordan]

Yeah, but I do think you should also watch Troy with Brad Pitt because it will put on a scale like that is here so much lower on the totem pole. And then you watch the Odyssey, and that will also make you appreciate what A masterpiece. It is. But I saw the Odyssey with seven guys. Half the group had read and were familiar with Greek mythology and, like, knew what they were like going into, half didn't. And so when a cyclops shows up and they're like, oh, I thought, I'm just watching the Bourne Ultimatum back in, like, ancient Greece. And then a cyclops shows up, they're like, this movie's super weird. So it's really hard to understand it if you don't know what's coming. But for all the guys that had read it, we were on the edge of our seats because we were like, how is he gonna pull off this story or this book or, like, this witch changing the soldiers into, like, swine or pigs, you know?

[Danny]

Right.

[Jordan]

And because I had read it the week before and had not really that much understanding of Greek mythology, I was seriously, like, this is going to be cheesy. I didn't think he was going to pull it off. I thought the reviews were bought. And I was like, this is all just, like, overhyped because it would be impossible to not make this cheesy. And, like, I walked out with, like, chills.

[Danny]

Wow.

[Jordan]

Straight up and down my arm.

[Danny]

And it's three hours long.

[Jordan]

It's three hours long.

[Danny]

Did you ever feel like I need an intermission?

[Jordan]

I did. I peed. But I knew what was coming. I was like, this is a down scene. And then I went, pete. Okay, so, like, my recommendation is you buy the Iliad, you buy the Odyssey on Kindle, you use Text Muncher to rip the files, and then you upload it to ChatGPT, give it a summary of, like, the entire thematic history of the time, ask questions. You can do the Voice feature on ChatGPT, where you, like, talks to you. You talk to a professor. You're like, hey, so tell me about this. Or why did you. Why did Athena not. Or why did Athena love Odysseus, you know, and not Achilles, you know? And you ask all those questions, then you go.

[Sponsor Host 2]

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[Danny]

Clever in wit.

[Jordan]

Yes, very good. And then you watch Troy, and then you go watch the Odyssey, and I guarantee you, you'll be like, wow, I so appreciate what he did.

[Danny]

How was the acting? How is Zendaya?

[Jordan]

So here's my only. Okay, here's my criticisms of the Odyssey. And they're pretty simple. One is, at times, they use modern language. So, like, I think that they. They're. They have a lot of, like, you know, like, you know, when, like, you watch Lord of the Rings, it's kind of they're talking in this like, feels like an ancient type of dialect. They do that, but then they mix in like modern language. Like it would be like the equivalent of them seeing a witch and being like, oh my gosh, what are you doing here? And it kind of throws off the

[Danny]

vibe, like slay a little bit.

[Jordan]

And it's. Honestly, I don't want to like slam him, but it's one actor that I feel like kind of was the weak link.

[Danny]

Oh, tell us who it is.

[Jordan]

I don't know who it is, but it's like Odysseus. Odysseus's right hand.

[Danny]

Okay.

[Jordan]

I think he's like an Indian guy, but he's I think like the weaker actor that kind of brought down. He's a pretty central role, but I just thought he was kind of a weak link. Second thing I would say is Travis Scott was awesome, but he had such a small part. So like the movie literally. And I'm not ruining anything. Literally opens.

[Danny]

You're not ruining anything. It's like 3,000 year old Greek mythology.

[Jordan]

No, no, I'm not ruining anything about Travis Scott's character. But he has such a small part, but like he is such a cool presence that I wish that he would have played a larger role in the movie. And then third is. So if you watch Troy with Brad Pitt, they have Odysseus in that movie, but they don't really focus on like Odysseus wit or anything. Like it's all about Achilles and Troy. I wish that they would have had one moment that Achilles appeared in a flashback during the Trojan War. And there was one interaction, but they don't mention Achilles at all.

[Danny]

Hmm. The rest was against him.

[Jordan]

The rest was like incredible. And the craziest part about it too is they didn't use any cgi.

[Danny]

Really? I didn't know that.

[Jordan]

So there's.

[Danny]

Everything is like, is real.

[Jordan]

Everything is real.

[Danny]

So like even is he against cgi?

[Jordan]

I think he just didn't want it to feel like he wanted to feel as real as possible.

[Danny]

Then how do you do the cyclops? The pigs or the cyclops?

[Jordan]

Yeah, well, the, the, you'll, you'll see it. But like when he, when she transforms the, the men into pigs, it's kind of camera tricks. And then you can tell that it's like, you know, the real masks and makeup and stuff like that.

[Danny]

The.

[Jordan]

There's a part with giants that's all like just really tall people.

[Producer]

He.

[Jordan]

In the book, they're actually not armored like in like Knight's armor, but he put them in knight's armor so that he could do the camera trick and, like, make them look taller. So it's all just kind of, like, filming up to make them seem bigger. And then this. I didn't know this, but someone next to me told me the Cyclops is a puppet.

[Danny]

Oh.

[Jordan]

But, you know, he was trying to make everything so real. It was apparently one of the hardest shoots that any of the actors or team had ever done.

[Danny]

Yeah. Matt Damon said it was the hardest movie he's ever done.

[Jordan]

Because, like, for example, they. They shot in Ithaca. I think it was shot in Spain. And because he wanted the soldiers to, like, look sweaty and kind of, like, ripped in the shots, he made them hike up there, and then they hiked with the giant IMAX camera up these mountains, like, every single day. And, you know, he just wanted everything to be real. So the ships were real. He did this in Interstellar. You remember the scene where they drive through the cornfields?

[Danny]

Yes.

[Jordan]

In the truck. Not a huge scene, but he grew all of that corn, literally, just to. To do the scene the way he wanted to.

[Danny]

I mean, what's up with this guy?

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[Danny]

He doesn't have a cell phone.

[Jordan]

Flip phone.

[Danny]

What?

[Jordan]

Doesn't do email.

[Danny]

Why? Just, like, he wants to preserve the genius.

[Sponsor Host 2]

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[Danny]

Or he just can.

[Jordan]

He just seems like a. I think he's British.

[Danny]

There's British people.

[Jordan]

Little hoity toity, you know, artistic dude. But yeah.

[Danny]

Okay. I'm excited. We have to go see it.

[Jordan]

We have to go see it. I don't know who. I need to get, like, a second wave of people. Like, I'm basically telling everyone now to go read it.

[Danny]

So there will be a second thing about moving to a new city is, like, you're just. We're constantly finding, like, excuses to invite people to stuff.

[Jordan]

Yeah. I think that's very particular to this city, though. Everyone is very social.

[Danny]

Yeah. So social.

[Jordan]

And everyone knows each other.

[Danny]

Calm down.

[Jordan]

I got invited to Go Go Ride Go Karts.

[Danny]

Like, what I'm telling you, it's kind of giving Mormon.

[Jordan]

It's giving Mormons.

[Danny]

Like, Mormons would ride Go Karts. They're so fun.

[Jordan]

No, it's.

[Danny]

Yeah, they're the funnest.

[Jordan]

It's giving Mormon vibes here. But I love it.

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[Jordan]

I love it. I love the Mormons.

[Danny]

Same.

[Sponsor Host 2]

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[Producer]

Great people.

[Danny]

They're great people.

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[Jordan]

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[Danny]

Well, we've been trying out churches too and that's been interesting. But I'm y', all, I met another girl, I guess, woman that has kids the same ages as mine at church. Like her name's Emily and she has like a five year old, a four year old, like a one year old and a newborn. I think her newborn was three months and minus five months. Yeah, I'm, I've never met another person with that age gap before. So I already met my new best friend.

[Jordan]

No, she doesn't hung out yet.

[Danny]

I mean the thing is like how are we going to hang out?

[Jordan]

That's so true.

[Danny]

It's like what are you gonna do? Like, I love you, we'll be best friends but like we're both just, we can't.

[Jordan]

You can open up a daycare we

[Danny]

could just for you imagine like we get together and we have just, just us like hanging out with eight kids. Like that's crazy. I mean, why do you think families have such, I mean. Yeah, why do families here in Nashville have such big families? Why, why do they have so many kids?

[Jordan]

I think it's cultural pronatalism. Yeah. Danny listened to a podcast on that today.

[Danny]

Very interesting movement. It's actually not religious. They're just trying to prevent. Well, it's not sec. Yeah, they're just trying to prevent population decline and preserving like different types of communities.

[Jordan]

I'm going to be honest, I don't, I don't understand why everything crumbles with the birth rate declining. I don't understand the argument.

[Danny]

Let's ask our producer one moment. I mean I'm sure it has a lot of effects on. Okay, so well, and then what also like, is AI going to kind of counteract that?

[Jordan]

I know.

[Danny]

Or does that actually like, is AI going to eventually just like also decrease like population because there's not as many jobs?

[Jordan]

I kind of agree. That's like if, if everything is automated or more things are automated and robots are doing not all manual labor, probably not like trade work, but a lot of the manual labor. Wouldn't that be an argument for population decline because there's just not enough work.

[Danny]

Right. There's not as much work.

[Jordan]

But then what the pro AI people say is that now you have more

[Danny]

time to have kids.

[Jordan]

Is that the whole paradigm of trading time for money is going to shift and change because you can't really like do that anymore because everything is essentially automated, especially with like white collar work. So then it's. So that's where they talk about like universal basic income.

[Danny]

Well, because here's another thing. So if AI is taking more jobs, then what about like taxes? Is that going to change taxes? Like the government won't be able to like get as much money from us because.

[Jordan]

Well, you'll have to read that book about the Federal Reserve. It'll never happen.

[Sponsor Host 1]

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[Jordan]

I don't think they'll ever, they'll ever take away our taxes. It's just too much of a self licking ice cream cone.

[Danny]

Right. But if there's not as many people working, then there's not so much money to tax.

[Producer]

They're going to tax the heck out of the huge companies that make trillions of dollars on AI.

[Jordan]

They'll tax some people. Maybe it goes from like the individual level to the corporate level.

[Danny]

Okay, but I mean, so, so I was reading about Or. No, I'm sorry, I wasn't reading about it. I was listening to Aaron Brockovich. She went on Sean Ryan and then went on the Avon. She's, like, really doing, like, Julia Roberts. Yeah, the Julia Robbers. Yeah, the. The real one. She's very against data centers being built.

[Sponsor Host 1]

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[Danny]

to the podcast and you're like, why? And, like, give me some facts. She's not. She don't really explain why very well. She was just like. I mean, it uses a lot of water, which is not good. I wish there was another way to cool these big facilities.

[Sponsor Host 2]

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[Danny]

But besides that, it was just kind of hard. Hard to follow. But then it was like, a lot of cities are incentivizing data centers being built, like, in their city, like, they want. They, like, don't tax data centers as much. Like, why is that?

[Jordan]

Well, just to be cynical for a second, I don't know. Erin Brockovich loved the movie, but didn't she. Isn't the whole concept of the movie that she basically found that there was, like, leakage or spillover from a plant into the water supply of a community and they were all getting cancer.

[Sponsor Host 1]

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[Jordan]

Okay.

[Danny]

So, like, frogs had two heads.

[Jordan]

Frogs had two heads. So she was the one who discovered that.

[Sponsor Host 2]

And she was, like, a paralegal, and

[Jordan]

they took on big business to fight that. Right.

[Sponsor Host 1]

Well, she wasn't.

[Danny]

But her company that she was working for.

[Jordan]

Yeah, but in the movie, like, her role, she was the one who was spearheading it.

[Danny]

Yes, she was.

[Jordan]

So if I'm Erin Brockovich, I know water. Right. And I know.

[Danny]

Oh, okay. Yeah, she knows water.

[Jordan]

She knows water, and she's like, I know what contaminating water can do, and.

[Danny]

Well, it's not just contaminating water. Yeah, it is, I guess, contaminated water, but it's also just like the taking water, the millions of gallons used sometimes, like, on a daily basis. Yeah, taking water.

[Jordan]

Yeah. So it's been a minute since she's had, like, a big win.

[Danny]

If I were water. I'm coming back in, baby.

[Jordan]

I'm coming for these.

[Danny]

Well, I thought it was interesting that she went, like, on Sean Ryan and then immediately on Theo Vaughn. But I think that there's, like. Yeah, there's. It's.

[Sponsor Host 1]

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[Danny]

It's.

[Jordan]

Yeah, no, it's concern. I don't really know much about it. I mean, the only thing I know that freaks me out when it comes to water is. Do you remember that movie, the Big Short?

[Danny]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

Okay, so the real guy behind that Name was Michael Burry. One of the guys who, about the

[Danny]

names, like, how did you remember that?

[Jordan]

So, so, so Michael Burry was like one of the guys who basically shorted the housing market and like create it, like went to banks and was like, they were like, no one's ever shorted the housing market. And he's like, I want you to create me a product that I can short the housing market.

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[Jordan]

And at the end of the movie they say, you know, Michael Burry of Scion Capital or whatever spends all of his time shorting one new asset, which is water. So basically, he's basically saying we're going to run out of water, there's going to be a water scarcity crisis. That's always freaked me out. He's been wrong, I think a lot since his big win with the housing market. Yeah, like, I think a lot of people actually laugh at him because of how wrong he is about certain other things.

[Danny]

Right.

[Jordan]

But that freaks me out about water scarcity.

[Danny]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

I don't know, maybe, maybe Erin's right. What was her point? What were her points?

[Danny]

That's the thing is there's not really like a. I guess her thing is that we need to find another way to cool these big places because don't a lot of cities kind of like the infrastructure kind of needs like AI to keep up and like compete basically?

[Jordan]

Like what, what we're told, which who knows if it's true or not, is there's an AI race between countries. It's like the space race.

[Danny]

Yeah, I mean I, I believe that.

[Jordan]

Okay, so like if China cracks AI faster than we do, then they're going to be more advanced than we are. That's like the, the, the, the more global view of it. So in order to power AI, we don't have an issue with the actual code and the intelligence because I feel like the models are all kind of roughly the same. In fact, China just came out with, I think it's called Kimi and it was like, so the leading model right now is Anthropics Claude. And Kimi is open sourced in China and it beat our models.

[Danny]

So Anthropics is not open source?

[Jordan]

No, it's closed. And so their whole valuation is built on them having the best model. And then China's like, hey, like here's an open source version.

[Danny]

So is open source though. Wouldn't that make it a little biased?

[Jordan]

No, open source means it's like kind of like built like the whole community can improve it.

[Danny]

I know. So wouldn't it be, like, biased in some ways?

[Jordan]

No, I think people would say that Anthropics is probably more biased because. Because it's closed and we don't know. Like, we have no idea what their code is, like instructing the models to say or do or whatever. But so the models are all commoditized now. So then the only thing holding back these models is power and compute, which is data centers.

[Danny]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

So I think I've talked about this in the podcast, but Kevin o', Leary, the Shark Tank guy, he invested in a data center in Utah, and he was going to make a ton of money from it. So, like, it was going through zoning and all of these. They call them NIMBYs, like, develop real estate. Developers have a term called NIMBYs, which is like the. Not in my backyards, people. And it's like. It's like a tale as old as time. Someone told me this was in the Fox and the Hound, but I never watched that movie. But it's like developer versus, like, the townspeople. Right? Big bad developer. So developers called the townspeople NIMBYs. The. The. The townspeople called developers, like, big bad wolf. So NIMBYs are basically like the ones that go into these city council meetings and just stir ish up and like, block things and, like, block the zoning. And Kevin o', Leary, like, did a bunch of research, and I don't know if this is, like, just really good PR on his end, but he traced a bunch of the IP addresses on, like, Twitter and, like, these, like, opposition forums, and they all went to, like, foreign governments. And so his big stance was, listen,

[Danny]

that they're trying to slow us down in the AI race.

[Jordan]

Yeah. Is that like, literally, like, it's a very coordinated, nonprofit NGO attack to slow down data centers going into the US So that we fall behind on the great race.

[Danny]

This is just kind of crazy, but

[Jordan]

if you're going to attack it, it's the way to attack it for sure. So I don't really know, but the only thing that made me believe that that was true was when Olivia was on. Olivia was on the podcast and she was like, I said no to the data center. And I go, oh, that's so interesting that you're interested.

[Danny]

They were gonna build it next to the Nashville. The zoo.

[Jordan]

Right. Which is fine. I would oppose that too. But I was like, really? Cause Olivia's not civically active, from my understanding. And she was like, she's had a

[Danny]

baby, so she's a little busy.

[Jordan]

And I was like, really? Like, why did you get involved in that. And she goes, well, it's hurting the animal's hearing. And I go, what do you mean? And she was like, I saw this thing on Facebook, and it was like this huge campaign that if you don't block the data center in Nashville, then all of these animals are going to go deaf. And I was like, that's so interesting to me because it's like, do you

[Danny]

think that was a campaign from China?

[Jordan]

My personal opinion is I think that they tried to scare people with, like, water scarcity. And people were like, ah, whatever, I'll just buy Ozarka.

[Producer]

And.

[Jordan]

And then once they were like, listen, you're going to hurt the animals, they found an angle that worked, and the. The. The strategy just, like, took off. And so now it's like, I don't know if the Nashville one's going to happen, but it was hugely opposed.

[Producer]

I found Joel's answer. John, your answer to your question.

[Jordan]

Yeah. Why does. Why does Time magazine not like the Odyssey?

[Danny]

Oh, no, no.

[Producer]

Well, that was like, their review is so long. I'm trying to find a more condensed version of the Time magazine thing because they're just really rambling about it. Yeah, I was trying to find something concise. Couldn't. But okay.

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The.

[Producer]

The data center, like, motivating data centers to come here is just an economy thing because I think Google and big tech companies will follow the data centers. So it's just city trying to make more money.

[Danny]

But. And it also gives more jobs in terms of construction.

[Producer]

It is more jobs. Yes, more jobs.

[Danny]

And, you know, but in the long run, it could take more jobs.

[Producer]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And then the.

[Jordan]

The Trojan horse, the birth rate thing

[Producer]

is because, for us is because of the boomers, because there's way too many of them and not enough of us. So, like, us pouring into Social Security, like, it was like a piggy bank. It explained it. So they put all their stuff in the piggy bank, and then there's just so many of them now collecting on it. It's like a seesaw. They're like, there's way too many people on the old side and not enough people on the young side. So everything just crashes.

[Jordan]

Yeah. I've always just been told to never like our generation, to never depend on Social Security.

[Danny]

Right. But that's, like, what our parents all, like, live for.

[Jordan]

No, for sure.

[Producer]

It, like, won't be left.

[Jordan]

There won't be anything left.

[Danny]

So don't plan on it.

[Jordan]

So what was I gonna say? Oh, and the reason they have. The reason they have to do it so central to cities is because that's where the fiber cables are.

[Danny]

Oh, that's why.

[Jordan]

So, so it's hard because you, you can't just like, go to, like West Texas and build these data centers. I always wondered that because it has to be connected to the fiber optic cables and they don't run out there. So it would cost a fortune to run the cables out there. So that's why these data centers have to be in the cities. They hurt the infrastructure of the city. The city is not used to needing to power something like that. And so it is very cumbersome to put these in place because of where they have to go.

[Danny]

And they're loud, allegedly.

[Jordan]

I don't know.

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Are they?

[Danny]

I've heard they're loud.

[Jordan]

I think they're bright.

[Danny]

Bright?

[Jordan]

Yes. Like, I think that in Utah, what they were worried is blinding the animals. I think that it was like it was going to hurt. Like the, the light pollution is what they call it.

[Danny]

What? Oh, my gosh.

[Jordan]

That's why Utah people, I think, were upset because they were like, we look up and we see the stars.

[Danny]

Oh, and then they're not going to

[Jordan]

be able to see. Yeah, just like New Yorkers. Like, you can't look up and see the stars because the light pollution.

[Danny]

Wow.

[Jordan]

I know.

[Danny]

This is so complicated.

[Jordan]

I know, I know. But honestly, what, what it's telling me is it's just another check mark of, like, why people are going to move further and further out of cities.

[Danny]

Well, I was gonna say, I think the reason why people have bigger families here is like, I. I almost feel like to have a big family, like, you kind of have to be away from everything. That's the only way that, that it works. Like, that's why I think where we lived in Dallas, people had two kids. Like, everyone had two kids. If you had three kids, it was like, whoa, you got your hands full. And here it's like, if you have three kids, they're like, when's the fourth? When's like. And I feel like it's because, I mean, there is more space here. It's also, I will say, a little bit more peaceful. You know, it's beautiful. Like, you can kind of relax and smell the grass and the flowers. And I feel like. But people, even whenever we talk to anyone that like, lives in Nashville, like, everyone's planning on even moving, like, further out. Yeah, right.

[Jordan]

And so. And I think it was. There's like one country, it's either Romania or Hungary, I can't remember, but their birth rate is Actually, on the Incline,

[Danny]

I think it's like, Norway maybe.

[Jordan]

But the article I read was either Romania or Hungary. And this article was talking about what they believe is the number one reason is that it comes down to, like, the way that the mothers are honored and respected. And one of the things that, like,

[Danny]

it's almost like the narrative around, like,

[Jordan]

right now, I think in Western culture, it's like, you

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and you.

[Jordan]

Don't let me trip up here. But I think women are expected to now work.

[Danny]

But also, oh, yeah, my whole, like, childhood, it was like, it was all about Danny. Like, when you grew up, you can be whatever you want to be. Like, you don't. Like, it was never about, like, being a mom. It was like, you can go be a doctor, a lawyer, all these things. And then, like, reality hits you and you're like, but how am I going to be that and support myself and live in the city and have kids?

[Jordan]

No, for sure.

[Danny]

And not get hate about having a nanny 24 7. Like, it's like, wait, this doesn't really add up, like, how I was being encouraged. It doesn't really make sense. And then it's also like, if I wanted to go be a doctor, by the time I could have kids, I might struggle to have kids because it takes. It took me so long to get my education and to get everything I need. Like, it just. It doesn't make sense.

[Jordan]

Yeah, well. So, like, I feel like we got married in the girl boss era.

[Danny]

Totally.

[Jordan]

Which I was. Hey, loved you, married you. It was amazing.

[Danny]

Such a girl boss.

[Jordan]

But in that era, I feel like this is what I now look back and feel like is really unfair to women, is that in that era, it was like, that was what was esteemed and put on a pedestal is being a career woman and building a business and being an entrepreneur like the Poppy founder. But then at the same time, no one was like, oh, and by the way, like, you can give up all these other responsibilities that were more traditional of, like, here's kind of what your role and responsibility looks like with your children. And, like, here's what your role and responsibility looks like in the home. So then it kind of just felt like this giant weight was more put onto.

[Danny]

I will say. Yeah, and I will say something interesting about moving here is I feel a little, like, insecure sometimes in, like, my role as a female here because I feel like no one values me for my job here or my work. Like, and I feel like when I compare myself to other moms here, they're, like, so much More like, hospitable. Or they, like, cook all the time, or they have, like, these traditions with their families, or they're just, like, better moms than me, to be honest. And they have, like, more experience. Experience being a better mom and, like, providing for the community or, like, and they don't work at all. And then I. I come in, I'm like, I feel like I'm so far behind. Like, I feel like I've. I. When I first started having kids, like, valued, like, growing in my career way more than those things. And now I'm like, I don't know how to make a roast. Like, I don't know how to, like, host people. Like, I don't know any of these things because I valued something different. And now, like, what is valued here in Nashville? I feel like I don't have that. And I'm like, do I need to take cooking classes?

[Producer]

Only certain suburbs, by the way. It's not. That's not true of Nashville in general.

[Danny]

I think maybe it's like, general is

[Producer]

like, a big female entrepreneurship town.

[Danny]

Well, maybe it's, like, the outskirts of Nashville, maybe the suburbs and the family culture. When I say Nashville, like, we're not really hanging out in, like, the city, like, right now. Like, I'm.

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We're.

[Danny]

We're going to be moving to, like, a suburb of.

[Producer]

I'm just saying you have value here.

[Danny]

No, I know. I matter to us. I know. And. And I don't mean it as, like, a. A bad thing or a good. Like, it's just kind of like, sometimes I find myself feeling a little insecure in these situations where I'm like, you made this whole meal for all these people. I was like, that. That sounds so much harder to me than, like, starting a company. Like, I like moms that, like, can cook and provide and do. I'm like, I feel silly because I. I don't know how to do any of that.

[Jordan]

I don't think you're alone, by the way, because, like, I think that the males. Like, it's like, the equivalent of what you're feeling is, like, the fathers here are like, hey, I just got back from a fishing trip, and we have young boys. But, like, they're like, hey, I just took my three boys on a fishing trip to Alaska. Or, like, hey, we just went on a hunt together. And even, like, the fathers are. It's just culturally different, right? Like, great mothers and fathers where we came from. Great mothers and fathers everywhere. But, like, my whole point with, like, the hungry thing is, like, I think that women here are honored for, like, their motherhood, which is, like, what they should always be honored for, you know? And in a perfect world, it can all be done right. Like, you can be everything. But I think that a big part of, like, our humanity that we've realized over the past two years, like, both of us.

[Danny]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

Is that, like, we can't do everything. Like, we can't.

[Danny]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

Like, we can't.

[Danny]

Or there's different seasons for different goals.

[Jordan]

Like, we can't be on planes and building these, like, crazy big businesses and be present with, like, four kids.

[Danny]

And that's the lie. I feel like we were fed for so long, though, and I could. I truly was, like, yes, I can. And, like, if anyone's going to do it, I'm going to, like, you know, and. And I think it works.

[Jordan]

Pre Stella turning three.

[Danny]

I was gonna say. I was gonna say it works up until your kids, like, start to really notice, and they, like, really need a consistent presence in their life. And that's kind of what changed everything for me. I think that's why I even, like, considered moving, kind of, like starting fresh again. That doesn't mean I don't have help. Like, I still need a nanny to watch my newborn whenever I am podcasting right now. Like, of course, like, we didn't just leave our kids at home, you know, by themselves. And so. So, yeah, I mean, like you said, in a perfect world, we would be able to do it all. But it's just now, as I've gotten older and I think, too, I have peace in, like, feeling like I did achieve a lot of the goals that I wanted to achieve, like, as an independent person, like, as Dani. So now I feel like I can step into, like, kind of slowing down and being that role, that person, that. That mother that's honored here, whatever. But it's sometimes hard to, like, let go of the goals and the dreams. Like, and I think it's probably. That's probably true for every mom. You know, it's like, it's just constantly trying to, like, you're on this, like, pendulum swinging back and forth, and you're like, wait, but, like, I want to start a business. I want to do this. But wait, I want to be with my kids. I feel guilty. Like, it's just. I bet it's very common.

[Jordan]

Yeah, I. You know, kind of like what producer was saying. I. I also don't want you to feel that shame here, because I didn't

[Danny]

mean it as a negative thing. I don't feel shame.

[Jordan]

Almost like yeah, sorry. Maybe insecure.

[Danny]

Insecure.

[Jordan]

Insecure And. Or in, like, maybe just even super positive, like, inspired by, like, some of these.

[Danny]

Like, I am inspired by them. I think it's incredible.

[Jordan]

And that's what I've appreciated, like, just flipping it as a positive. Like, I think that the culture that we're now surrounded with is so inspiring of, like, how you do raise, like, bigger families, how you do raise, like, good kids like, that know Jesus. Like, the modeling that we're able to just kind of like, look and perceive is gonna, like, make me a better dad and make you a better mom.

[Danny]

It challenges us in, like, a healthy

[Jordan]

way in a totally different way. And I mean, I think that when you and I just, like, talk about our last three weeks of moving here, that's probably what I'm like most. I feel like God has been so faithful in, like, showing us. Because I think if we wouldn't have had this, like, these examples around us, it would have been harder for us to figure this out on our own. And because it's a culture, the craziest part about the culture is, like, with the mothers and the fathers and raising families, being so esteemed, it does make you be like, should we have more kids?

[Danny]

No, I'm, like, sick in the head. Like, I want another child.

[Jordan]

No, I feel that. And I'm like.

[Danny]

Like, I'm. I'm actually, like, mentally ill. And it's because, like, I.

[Jordan]

Psychotic.

[Danny]

It's psychotic. Like, I'm drowning. Like, Smith was up at 2:30 last night and, like. And I made Jordan get up and do the bottle. Like, I'm like. And then we get like five or six hours of sleep. I'm. I am, like, sickly every morning. Like, when I wake up, I feel like I'm gonna throw up because I'm so tired.

[Producer]

And.

[Danny]

And then we're like, should we have another one?

[Jordan]

Like, it's because, like, at the same time, like, I literally was so tired this morning, I went to that Bible study and I just sat by myself and got a taco.

[Danny]

People are like, why aren't you, like, hanging out? You're like, cause I have four kids. I can't. I'm exhausted.

[Jordan]

No, I just. I just sat and ate a taco. And I was like, man, I feel like I have no. Like, I have no margin right now. And I was like, is it. And I was thinking to myself, I was like, is it because of the move? Is it because we have four. Four kids? Is because Smith's not sleeping through night? Probably all of the Above. But at the same time, I think that, like, there's been times where you and I looked at each other, and we're like. We're kind of the happiest we've ever been. No, for sure, like, the most satisfied. Like, because in that kind of, like, the trenches, as people say about our lives, with this. These young kids, like, I feel like you and I have both provided for each other and partnered for each with each other in a way that we never.

[Danny]

It's survival mode, literally.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

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But it makes.

[Jordan]

I know that you feel more loved. Loved by me and vice versa.

[Danny]

Yeah. Because we're roughing it out there. I'm like, you go cut those cardboard boxes down, babe. We're not hiring a service to do it. Mike, I want to see you out there with that. That cutting knife. What do you call it? Little razor blade.

[Jordan]

Yeah. The zipper thing.

[Danny]

It's like me watching, like, Michael landed on, like, House on the Prairie. I'm like, that's my man.

[Jordan]

Yeah. The biggest thing. So, you know, I think that where we sit today is there's been, like, multiple times these past, like, three weeks where, like, we've stopped and paused and been like, hey, like, I feel like we're bringing too much of Dallas here. And I still think we're trying to

[Danny]

figure out it's old habits. It's not Dallas.

[Jordan]

It's like, old habits are old habits from where we lived in Dallas, whether it be, like, too much help in this area or, like, not enough help here. And it's like, it's. We're still trying to calibrate, like, how much of our old habits and old lives do die and not come here.

[Danny]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

And I feel like routines. Yeah, routines. And that's kind of like what's probably the hardest on me right now is

[Danny]

because here's the thing. Jordan is a fixer, and he does not like to see me uncomfortable. Right?

[Jordan]

No. I don't know. I just want.

[Danny]

No. And so, like, when you have a newborn and, like, a lot of children, like, there's a lot of really uncomfortable moments, and I. What? It's almost like whenever you're working out, it's like there are times with your kids where, like, you're so exhausted, you're so sleep deprived, one screaming on the ground, one's doing this, and it's like, in it, you're just like, I'm gonna lose my mind. But then, you know, an hour later, when everything is calm, you're like, wow. I feel like that was a good, teachable lesson. I Feel like that was a good moment with my kids. I feel like I influenced them in the right way. It was hard, but, like, we all made it through it, and, like, you know, we all learned from it. Jordan looks. I look at it like that. Jordan looks at it as like, okay, we have to fix that. We can't ever let that happen again. Right. And so you're always like, how can I prevent that from happening? Do we need to have a stricter routine? Do we need to have help in this area? Do we need to put them in a summer camp? Do we need to, like. And for me, I'm like, I just want to live in it and, like, just figure it out and take it, like, day by day and take it slow. And Jordan's, like, a fixer. Right. I feel like a lot of guys are.

[Jordan]

Yeah, no, it's not bad. It's not a bad thing.

[Danny]

And Jordan is. If I'm in a bad mood, Jordan's in a bad mood. Some would call it codependent.

[Jordan]

Yeah, that's what I was like. That's why I was, like, thinking, because I was like, you know. Yes. I don't, like. I think I'm a very firm believer in, like, happy wife, happy life. And so it's like, sometimes. And I don't think this is healthy or fair to myself, but, like, sometimes I'm like, oh, if Danny's struggling or unhappy, like, that's like, kind of on me to, like, help resolve.

[Danny]

See, that's not.

[Jordan]

No, it's not. It's not true. It's not true. And it's not fair. And also, I think that what also happens in those moments is it's not entirely selfish, selfless. Because I think that that paints me as, like, a really good person.

[Danny]

No, you want me to be good so that you can be happy.

[Jordan]

Yeah. And it's. And it's also. I, like, also want you to be supported because I know that if you're not, like, I'll probably step in, and then I feel stretched really thin.

[Danny]

It's the same thing, like, when you see someone at the gym struggling to raise the bar over their head, and then you go up and help, that's actually not helping them. That's actually, like, stunting their growth and stunting. And, like, what's really going to help them if they figure out how to do it on their own, and two weeks later, they're like, oh, I look in the mirror and I'm like, look what I did for myself. And, like, that's going to actually Help them.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Danny]

So you're always trying to, like, lift the bar a little bit for me.

[Jordan]

Yeah, true. But we. I mean, I feel like this has been like a huge theme in our marriage, like, the past, like, three years. And I feel like what. What showed me how far we've come is like, you. You kind of signaled to me yesterday. You were like, hey, like, I'm kind of worried that you're fixing this too much. And I listened and I heard, and I was like, okay, I hear you. And it was just really good for us to, like, communicate through that.

[Producer]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

Because, like, I'm like, I don't want to lift the bar. If you want to lift the bar.

[Danny]

No, I want to lift the bar, but just, like, it's going to be hard in the moment. Like, when I'm lifting the bar, I'm not going to be like, oh, woo. This is so fun. Like, it's hard. And that's okay, right? It's okay. And like, that's. It's okay to, like, let someone struggle for a second.

[Jordan]

Yeah, it's.

[Danny]

And, like, learn and give them the space to, like, figure it out. Because maybe they don't figure out that day and maybe it's not the second day, but, like, I'm a slow learner. I'm a slow processor. I'm slow everything. I don't know what I feel for a week.

[Jordan]

No, for sure. And it's like, it's kind of like a. I think I called it something on the podcast one time. It's like good husband syndrome. Like. Cause when we all started having kids, like my Dallas friends, we all kind of went through the same thing where we were like, man, we just want to help our wives or we want to fix this or we want to do this. And we all kind of at the same time learned that it's actually like a disease on our part because by helping, we actually cripple you to be able to learn and be the mother that you want to be on accident. We think we're doing something good.

[Danny]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

But it's actually preventing you from becoming stronger and becoming more confident. And the biggest states of depression that I think Dani has ever been in is when she feels ill equipped to. To, like, not ill equipped.

[Danny]

I feel like my. My. My purpose has been taken from me.

[Jordan]

Purpose has been taken. Yet you feel isolated because you're like, okay, now. Like, all of these things that, like, I want to be struggling through, like, I can't struggle through because they're fixed, you know? And I think we've even learned this about like, ourselves is that, you know, people who like, make a lot of money and you know, have all this wealth and can have all these people do everything for them typically end up being the most miserable people because, like, if you don't have friction in your life, you're going to create friction, you know, like, because we're just born and need some type of purpose.

[Danny]

Sorry, but this is not to say we don't have friction early.

[Jordan]

No, no, no, no. We, we do.

[Danny]

I have like 26, 000 people that hate me.

[Jordan]

Yeah, no, we, we do. But like, I, I'm kind of talking about the quintessential person of like, you know, you, you. For you.

[Danny]

Yeah, the.

[Jordan]

You're not able to do anything for yourself anymore. And actually you. You want to be able to do things for yourself, you know, because that's what brings the joy of like, you know, being able to cook or being able to do this or being able to do this.

[Danny]

Like the messy mom special rewarding.

[Jordan]

And I think that that's what we're feeling right now is like nothing's perfectly figured out and there's a lot of friction.

[Danny]

It's okay to sit in uncomfort.

[Jordan]

Yes.

[Danny]

Because a lot of like, you don't

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like to be uncomfortable.

[Jordan]

Me?

[Danny]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

No, I do not.

[Danny]

Like, it's okay to be uncomfortable and like, not know what things are going to look like.

[Jordan]

I didn't know what I was going to.

[Danny]

And then if something was going to fail. It's okay if it fails. Yeah. You know?

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Danny]

Okay.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

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True.

[Danny]

Speaking of family time, where are we going next week going, Tom?

[Jordan]

Oh, first time ever going to Costa Rica.

[Danny]

I'm a little scared about Costa Rica. It was one of those places we actually kind of been avoiding a little bit.

[Jordan]

We almost went one time, but then they had a. A large number of cases of people being roofied.

[Danny]

Oh, I didn't know.

[Jordan]

This was like four years ago.

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Great.

[Jordan]

Yeah, there were a lot of people getting roofied through drinks.

[Danny]

Well, I was. I have been avoiding it for a different reason. I don't love bugs and I hear they have a lot of those there and so much that it's like so much so that it. Sometimes people say it's like hard to sleep because the bugs are so loud and I have like a. I really don't like bugs, like at all. So I kind of been avoiding it. But like, I knew I needed to go one day and I know that I think it's going to be so fun because it's A very adventurous place, you know, can, like, go to the jungle and zipline. There's all these, like, fun activities for kids. Plus, it's beautiful, but I just want to put that out there. Like, I will be bringing a lot of book spray.

[Jordan]

Okay. Yeah. Thank you for.

[Danny]

And not like the, like. Not like the like, organic one.

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Like the nets that you wear over your head.

[Danny]

Oh, yeah. No. Oh, yeah. Well, I should a be. Yeah. They might even have those nets that you sleep. Have you? I don't. I had one of those in Africa. But they put like a net over your bed, so the bucks.

[Jordan]

So we're staying in a nice resort, babe. You're not sleeping in. You're not sleeping in a tent.

[Danny]

You never know. But that'll be fun.

[Jordan]

Yeah. I do want to tell you that the helicopter ride. No, it's. It's not a helicopter ride anymore.

[Danny]

Oh, did you cancel it?

[Jordan]

Yeah, I couldn't do it.

[Danny]

Were you thinking about it?

[Jordan]

Yeah, I can do it.

[Danny]

See, that's the difference between me and you. So Jordan lives like his enneagram is like fear based right now.

[Jordan]

I hate it.

[Danny]

It's hard. So it's like he's always like. And then mine is like, not. And so there was this portion of the trip where we were going to take a helicopter up into the jungle. And Jordan was like, should we do it? And like, in my head, I'm like, yeah, like, we're not gonna, like, not live our lives, you know, because the helicopter. Helicopter could crash. But then I also didn't want to be like, yes, let's do it. And then the helicopter crash and then feel guilty. So I was like, I don't know. You decide. And he really wasn't making the decision. So I finally was like, yeah, let's just do it. I have not thought about it one time since.

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Yeah.

[Danny]

At all. And I'm sure that this is something that like, keeps you up at night.

[Jordan]

Well, to be fair, I had an experience. You didn't. I almost died on that plane.

[Danny]

Okay. Yeah, it's fair.

[Jordan]

It's fair.

[Danny]

Jordan almost. Jordan canceled a flight that if he would have taken, crashed.

[Jordan]

Yes.

[Danny]

It was actually really scary.

[Jordan]

Basically, I was waiting for the plane to come and give me, and it crashed. Um, but we're also not taking the bus. We're. We're actually ironically taking a smaller plane. I just didn't want to ride in a helicopter.

[Danny]

Does it have two engines? The plane. Okay, that's great.

[Jordan]

And two pilots.

[Danny]

Yeah. You know, the helicopters are a little sketch. It's like, that propeller goes down.

[Jordan]

Like, I'm not.

[Danny]

No, I feel you. I just don't really think about it. Yeah, that's the nice thing about having, like, a little bit smaller of a brain, you know, it's just like, I don't really think about so much. Just kind of like, it's like, it's fine.

[Jordan]

No, honestly, I think that one of your superpowers is being fully present in every moment. Oh, you know who they also said that had that skill set? Michelangelo very close. Oh, no. Michael Jordan.

[Danny]

Oh.

[Jordan]

They said that what made Michael Jordan great is that he was always just fully present. And that's very much a characteristic that you have.

[Danny]

Is like, that is so true to the. But it's like. Hurts me. I'm like the type of girl, like, I'm like, I'm going to go for an hour and like, I'll say till midnight, because I am just, like, so in the moment.

[Jordan]

Well, no. And you give the best of yourself wherever you commit your moments. But it is harder to be a part of Danny's entourage because you just literally have no idea what's going to happen tomorrow. So you better keep your life and your schedule pretty flexible because it'll be awesome.

[Danny]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

But that's probably one of the greatest.

[Danny]

I'm like the person that's like, okay, I'll stop by for 30 minutes. Like, do I have to go and, like, I'll go and, like, have the best time of my life. Like, never want to leave in my

[Jordan]

mind is like, okay, we just kept our kids out till 11, but they have this tomorrow. And this tomorrow.

[Danny]

Don't even think about it.

[Jordan]

Yeah. And I'm like, hey, this is gonna be a spiral downward. And you're like.

[Danny]

I'm like, ugh, what a sad way to live. You know, it's horrible.

[Jordan]

It probably is.

[Danny]

Honestly, it's horrible. It's always thinking of the next thing.

[Jordan]

It probably is. But no, another fun fact. This is a little bit morbid, but interesting. Do you remember, do you remember when I proposed to you there? You. I flew you from Malibu to downtown LA in a helicopter. Well, fun fact. One of the helicopter that you rode in, the one I was actually going to get you, but it was just too expensive for me at the time. Was actually Kobe's pilot in Kobe's helicopter.

[Danny]

How did you know that?

[Jordan]

Because I talked to the guy who flew it.

[Danny]

Really?

[Jordan]

Yeah. I don't know if he was the pilot that died or anything, but I don't know. So technically, we both had similar situations, which Means that we both should not be flying in helicopters or small planes. Technically. But I'm not going to take a five hour bus ride.

[Sponsor Host 1]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

With four kids.

[Danny]

So be praying for our plane ride in Costa Rica.

[Jordan]

The other thing I would tell you is that there's no option around this. We leave to come home back to Nashville at 2pm from the jungle.

[Danny]

Oh, gosh. I already know what that means.

[Jordan]

We give back to midnight.

[Sponsor Host 1]

Oh.

[Danny]

Which means. Oh, gosh.

[Sponsor Host 1]

So just prepare.

[Jordan]

But hey, listen, let's live like you.

[Danny]

I'm like, this sounds kind of fun. This is like daylight savings day.

[Jordan]

I was like, this morning he told me that the guy booking our flights

[Sponsor Host 2]

and I was like.

[Jordan]

I was like, should we literally cancel the trip for this one moment of discomfort?

[Danny]

Oh, my gosh.

[Jordan]

I know, I know, but I stopped myself.

[Danny]

This one moment of discomfort. See, you look at it as discomfort. I look at it as like a challenge, adventure.

[Jordan]

I know that's why we're married. I know that's why. No, truly. What did I say to you? I was like, if I. If we hadn't gotten married, I'd probably be a loser. I think I said a fat loser.

[Danny]

It's horrible.

[Sponsor Host 1]

But same.

[Jordan]

Yeah, okay.

[Danny]

I'd be like, never mind.

[Jordan]

Do you have anything else you want to talk about in the. In your script there?

[Danny]

Okay, let me look at my script really fast.

[Jordan]

We have to do another podcast on Thursday too.

[Danny]

Just so, like, save my Nordstrom anniversary sale updates. No, I mean, I think this has been great.

[Jordan]

See, I. We always.

[Danny]

This has been a little bit more serious of a pod.

[Jordan]

You think so?

[Danny]

Yeah, but I think it's good. Yeah, it's super educational. You bring in all those facts in.

[Producer]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

Your turn next time. I have. I'm in a rut. I. I'm now I. I don't know where I'm gonna go next.

[Danny]

Where you're like, what, you're gonna deep dive in?

[Jordan]

Yeah, I don't. I don't have anything. This is always kind of the. The calm.

[Danny]

Yeah, yeah, we'll find something. Maybe leave a comment of like, what should Jordan deep dive on next?

[Jordan]

I was thinking maybe like Lewis and Queen Clark.

[Danny]

Oh, that could be good. And then we can watch all the Lewis and Clark movies out there.

[Jordan]

I don't think there are many. Oh, Pocahontas. No, sorry, that was Sacajawea.

[Danny]

Well, thank you guys for listening to this podcast. Make sure you check us out on Instagram and TikTok at D Influence podcast. We love you guys and we'll talk to you later.

[Sponsor Host 1]

Bye.

[Danny]

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