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Episode: Day 18 of the War with Iran
Date: March 17, 2026

Overview

This episode centers on the 18th day of the U.S. war with Iran, focusing on the deepening internal divisions within Donald Trump's MAGA base, triggered by a high-profile resignation from the National Counterterrorism Center's director, Joe Kent. The panel, including Ann Applebaum (The Atlantic), John Brennan (former CIA Director), Tom Nichols (Atlantic staff writer and national security expert), and Melissa Murray (NYU law), dissects the political fallout, intelligence failures, international alliances, media threats, and the war's broader impact on American democracy and global alliances.

Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. State of the War and the Kent Resignation

(00:57–05:54)

• Casualties and Developments: Thirteen US soldiers killed, more than 200 troops injured, and over 2,000 dead across the Middle East.
• Escalation: Israeli military claims to have killed a top Iranian leader, potentially intensifying hardline resistance.
• Domestic Impact: Rising gas prices; Trump's economic adviser claims consumer impact is not a priority.
• Divisions in MAGA World: The resignation of Joe Kent, director of the National Counterterrorism Center and top advisor to DNI Tulsi Gabbard, signals a rift in Trump’s coalition.
• Kent’s Resignation Letter: He decries the war as instigated by Israeli and American lobby pressure and notes Iran posed "no imminent threat" to the US—directly challenging Trump’s narrative.
  • Quote (Joe Kent’s Letter, read by Wallace at 01:50):

    “I cannot in good conscience support the ongoing war in Iran. Iran posed no imminent threat to our nation, and it is clear that we started this war due to pressure from Israel and its powerful American lobby… Until June of 2025, you understood that the wars in the Middle East were a trap that robbed America of the precious lives of our patriots and depleted the wealth and prosperity of our nation.”

• Trump’s Response: Calls Kent “weak on security”—raises issues about Trump’s personnel decisions and leadership consistency.

2. The Fracture in Trump’s Coalition

(05:54–13:39)

• John Brennan (05:54): Sees Kent’s public resignation as a calculated move illustrating MAGA’s internal opposition to the war—a reflection of an anti-interventionist wing (Gabbard, VP Vance) influencing Trump’s White House.
  • Quote (Brennan, 07:01):

    “The MAGA base… so opposed to foreign interventions… it’s a big concern for the White House because this was done so publicly at a time of great concern and great criticism of the course of this war.”

• Tom Nichols (08:14): Emphasizes Trump’s decisions are ego-driven rather than policy-driven, and that blame-shifting to Israel or anyone else misses Trump’s personal responsibility.
  • Quote (Nichols, 08:55):

    “Everything is about the glory of Donald Trump… None of these people matter to Donald Trump. They are just raw material for his ego and his narcissism.”

• Anne Applebaum (11:33): Points out that Kent’s ideological break is limited—indicating many administration insiders overlook Trump’s anti-democratic actions until it clashes with their personal ideological 'red line,' here being Middle East intervention.
  • Quote (Applebaum, 12:42):

    “What MAGA people are learning… is that actually, as Tom just said, Trump has no ideology. People impose their ideologies on him… he does what he wants at any given moment.”

3. The War’s Objectives and Intelligence

(13:39–16:04)

• Lack of Clear Goals: Trump claims regime change as a possible objective, but intelligence assessments foresee the Iranian regime staying intact or becoming further emboldened.
  • Wallace citing the Washington Post (13:51):

    “U.S. intelligence assessments… predict Iran’s regime will remain intact and possibly even emboldened, believing it stood up to Trump and survived.”

• Brennan’s Analysis (14:38):
  • Trump is under pressure from both Netanyahu and domestic hardliners like Lindsey Graham.
  • The Iranian regime is resilient and intends to outlast the US.
  • Trump is portrayed as directionless, lacking diplomatic off-ramps, and now bemoaning the lack of allied participation to open the Strait of Hormuz.
  • Quote (Brennan, 15:55):

    “It’s clear that we’re in a very ugly mess and he doesn’t know how to get out of it, nor do his advisors.”

4. Trump’s Approach to Allies and International Diplomacy

(16:04–19:16)

• Trump on NATO & Allies: Publicly dismissive ("We don’t need any help"), but simultaneously upset at lack of allied support.
  • Quote (Trump, paraphrased at 16:19):

    “We don’t need help… NATO is making a very foolish mistake… Everyone agrees with us, but they don’t want to help.”

• Nichols (17:12):
  • Compares Trump’s diplomatic style to petulant, childlike behavior.
  • Trump misunderstands alliances and the agency of other nations.
  • Quote (Nichols, 17:25):

    “He kind of approaches the world as a resentful, arrested development small child… they are not simply wholly owned subsidiaries of the United States. They are not part of Trump Enterprises.”

5. International Ramifications: Russia-Iran Alliance

(22:03–28:53)

• New Developments (22:03): Wall Street Journal reports Russia is directly assisting Iran with satellite and drone technologies—returning the favor for Iranian aid in Ukraine.
• Brennan (23:20):
  • Russia’s intelligence, tech support greatly enhances Iran’s ability to strike US and Gulf targets.
  • Urges awareness of dynamic alliances among autocracies.
• Applebaum (25:18):
  • Warns US not to view Iran as isolated; autocracies (Russia, Iran, China, previously Venezuela) collaborate when interests align.
  • Quote (Applebaum, 25:43):

    "The idea that Iran would somehow be alone, that we could overwhelm them, I think the Trump administration has misunderstood the degree to which autocracies work together…"

• Nichols (27:20):
  • Russia’s actions are predictably self-serving, and Putin views Trump as a tool, not a partner.
  • Quote (Nichols, 27:40):

    "Vladimir Putin has no respect for Donald Trump… and Putin and others are laughing at him."

• Impact on European Allies (Applebaum, 29:32):
  • Europe feels alienated and insulted by Trump, increasing their distance from US leadership.
  • Quote (Applebaum, 29:45):

    “Other people have longer historical memory… actions have implications… Trump has been unable to find common language with America’s historic allies.”

6. Attacks on the Free Press and Democratic Institutions

(32:46–37:25)

• First Amendment Threats: Trump and FCC Chair Carr are threatening media licenses to chill war coverage; this has prompted bipartisan pushback.
  • Wallace (32:46):

    "We cannot diminish the effect of the chilling effect on our news coverage and on broadcasters generally... what this administration wants is for everyone to comply in advance."

• Melissa Murray (34:39–36:18):
  • Details the robust free press legal framework (New York Times v. Sullivan) and the administration’s attempts to circumvent it with administrative threats.
  • Warns of dangerous consolidation and politicization of the FTC, FCC, and antitrust enforcement, undermining neutral regulatory institutions.
  • Quote (Murray, 35:18):

    "They know that media companies will worry about the loss of their licenses and they will scale back their coverage. They'll be chilled effectively."

• Applebaum (38:33):
  • Highlights the importance of neutral institutions in a democracy and the risk of their politicization.
  • Quote (Applebaum, 39:01):

    “Democracy is not just about voting… it’s about maintaining the playing field—neutral institutions that keep everyone playing by the rules…”

7. War’s Political Unpopularity and Economic Fallout

(40:55):

• Cost and Unpopularity: War with Iran is framed as the “most unaffordable war ever,” conflicting with campaign promises on affordability and economic stability.
• Republican Avoidance: Notably, high-profile figures like VP J.D. Vance are keeping a low profile, signaling the war’s toxicity in Republican politics.

8. The SAVE Act and Voter Access Concerns

(42:24–44:19):

• Trump’s Push to Restrict Voting: Senate advances the SAVE Act, designed to make voting harder; Trump pressures Republicans to support it.
• Democratic Resistance: Democrats vow to fight the legislation, with marathon Senate sessions expected.
  • Wallace (43:13):

    “Democrats have made it clear… they will not back down from this fight.”

Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• Joe Kent’s Resignation Letter (01:50):

  “I cannot in good conscience support the ongoing war in Iran...it is clear that we started this war due to pressure from Israel and its powerful American lobby.”

• Tom Nichols on Trump’s Allegiances (08:55):

  “They are just raw material for his ego and his narcissism.”

• Brennan on Iran’s Resilience (14:54):

  “The Iranian regime has dug in, is going to be continued to be defiant and very resilient and believes that all it needs to do is outlast the United States.”

• Applebaum on Coalition Fracture (12:42):

  “Trump has no ideology. People impose their ideologies on him…he does what he wants at any given moment.”

• Tom Nichols on Trump’s Diplomacy (17:25):

  “He kind of approaches the world as a resentful, arrested development small child...they are not part of Trump Enterprises.”

• Applebaum on Autocracies Cooperating (25:43):

  "The idea that Iran would somehow be alone, that we could overwhelm them, I think the Trump administration has misunderstood the degree to which autocracies work together…"

• Melissa Murray on Free Press Threats (35:18):

  "They know that media companies will worry about the loss of their licenses and they will scale back their coverage. They'll be chilled effectively."

• Applebaum on Democratic Institutions (39:01):

  “Democracy is not just about voting… it’s about maintaining the playing field—neutral institutions that keep everyone playing by the rules…”

Timestamps for Key Segments

• State of the War, Kent Resignation: 00:57–05:54
• Panel on MAGA Fracture: 05:54–13:39
• War Objectives & Intelligence: 13:39–16:04
• Trump and Allies: 16:04–19:16
• Russia-Iran Alliance: 22:03–28:53
• Impact on European Allies & Global Order: 28:53–30:50
• Media Threats & Free Press: 32:46–37:25
• Political/Cultural Pushback: 37:25–42:24
• SAVE Act Voting Rights Fight: 42:24–44:19

Conclusion

This episode paints a stark portrait of a presidency beset by internal dissent, a fracturing political base, and a growing international risk landscape. It details how the war with Iran is exposing rifts within MAGA, redefining strategic alliances (notably with Russia and absence of NATO support), and accelerating anti-democratic moves against the media and electoral access. The conversation is rich with historical context, legal expertise, and candid appraisals of both the administration’s tactics and the resilience of democratic institutions.