Podcast Summary: Deadline: White House

Episode: “Halligan was unlawfully appointed”
Date: November 24, 2025
Host: Nicolle Wallace
Main Guests: Carol Leonnig, Michael Feinberg, Claire McCaskill, General Mark Hertling, Jen Psaki

Overview

This episode of Deadline: White House centers on the explosive dismissal of criminal cases against former FBI Director Jim Comey and New York Attorney General Letitia James. The court found that prosecutor Lindsay Halligan, who brought the charges at Trump’s direction, was unlawfully appointed—a blow to Trump’s perceived attempts to politicize the Justice Department. The panel analyzes the ruling’s legal basis, broader themes of rule of law, the judiciary’s precarious role, and Trump administration efforts to target political opponents, including new investigations into Senator Mark Kelly. The episode ultimately questions whether the public, legal community, and the Republican Party are “awakening” to the erosion of institutional norms.

Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Dismissal of Cases Against Comey and James

[01:08–03:50]

• Judge Cameron Curry dismissed criminal charges against Comey and Tish James, ruling that special prosecutor Lindsay Halligan was “unlawfully serving in that role.”
• Halligan was appointed after former acting U.S. Attorney Eric Siebert refused Trump’s directives and was terminated. Halligan’s subsequent actions were deemed constitutionally invalid.
• Efforts to retroactively legitimize Halligan’s standing (like naming her special attorney) were rejected.
  • Quote:
    “This case presents the unique, if not unprecedented, situation where an unconstitutionally appointed prosecutor... acted alone in conducting a grand jury proceeding and securing an indictment.” — Judge Cameron Curry [01:50]
• Charges were dismissed without prejudice, but in Comey's case, the statute of limitations has expired.
• Comey’s legal team argues he cannot be re-indicted due to this expiration.

2. Reactions from Comey and Tish James’ Attorney

[04:56–06:12]

• Comey hails the outcome as a “win for the rule of law,” emphasizing the need for an independent judiciary.
  • Quote:
    “A message has to be sent that the President... cannot use the Department of Justice to target his political enemies... you have to see that as fundamentally un-American and a threat to the rule of law.” — Jim Comey [05:40]
• Tish James’ lawyer, Abby Lowell, highlights the court’s recognition that the prosecutions were political, not legal.
  • Quote:
    “The president went to extreme measures to substitute one of his allies to bring these baseless charges after career prosecutors refused.” — Abby Lowell (statement read by Wallace) [03:35]

3. Weaponization of the Justice Department & Norm Erosion

[06:12–14:29]

• The panel (Carol Leonnig, Michael Feinberg, Claire McCaskill) dissects Trump’s “obsession” with using the DOJ against enemies.
• Comey is lauded for championing the rule of law, with panelists noting that even Trump-appointed judges are rebuffing the conduct.
• Carol Leonnig draws a historical parallel to the “wrecking ball” Trump took to DOJ norms (“malevolence and incompetence”), referencing her book Injustice.
• Discussion of the lack of mobilization from big law firms in Trump’s second term, contrasting with the first.
  • Quote:
    “Big law has chosen big partner bonuses… over the risk of toying and tangoing with Donald Trump in Trump 2.0.” — Carol Leonnig [12:14]
  • Eric Holder is cited: “America is slow to rouse, but when she does… watch out.” [13:09]

4. Consequences for Prosecutors and Accountability

[16:31–19:54]

• Trump’s team (Halligan, AG Pam Bondi) may face disciplinary actions for their roles in unlawful prosecutions.
  • Quote:
    “There's no way that any seasoned prosecutor could say this was done according to Hoyle.” — General Mark Hertling, quoting Ty Cobb [16:58]
• Leonnig warns lawyers that serving Trump for political errands spells professional danger—unpaid bills, reputation damage, and possible bar sanctions.
• DOJ described as in chaos—no clear plan or communication in critical moments, unusual White House interference.
  • Quote:
    “The office was pretty much in chaos… The first person to register for DOJ that there might be a motion to appeal… was Carolyn Levitt from the White House. Very unusual.” — Carol Leonnig [17:42]

5. Reliance on the Judiciary; Implications for the Rule of Law

[22:35–29:02]

• Comey expresses faith in the “one remaining leg” of the three-legged stool of democracy: the courts.
  • Quote:
    “If you come into [judges’] courtroom, heaven help you if you're not telling the truth. That still exists in this country and should be a source of great comfort.” — Jim Comey [23:12]
• Wallace and panelists warn it’s abnormal for democracy to lean so heavily on the judiciary, as Republicans flirt with ignoring court rulings.
  • Quote:
    “A stool cannot stand on just one leg. That's a matter of math, a matter of physics. But… the judiciary may in fact have been that bulwark that saved us.” — Jen Psaki [24:44]
• The panel contemplates public “awakening”: while some signs exist in recent election results and anecdotal outrage, a broad mobilization remains elusive.

6. Emerging Investigations Into Political Rivals – Focus on Mark Kelly

[33:23–39:38]

• Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth and the Pentagon launch an investigation into Sen. Mark Kelly and five Democrats who reminded military personnel to refuse illegal orders. Trump called the six “traitors” and said they “should be in jail.”
  • Quote:
    “Secretary Hegseth’s tweet is the first I heard of this. I also saw the president’s post saying I should be arrested, hanged, and put to death... I’ve given too much to this country to be silenced by bullies.” — Sen. Mark Kelly [34:10]
• General Mark Hertling explains that Kelly’s message echoes bedrock military law—service members must obey only legal orders.
  • Quote:
    “Illegal orders are those that violate the Constitution, federal statute, the Uniform Code of Military Justice... I'm confused. And as I'm sure Senator Kelly is.” — Gen. Mark Hertling [35:25]
• The Pentagon’s response is seen as intimidation, not legal process.

7. Moral Reckoning: Republican Silence & Political Violence

[39:38–43:31]

• The Trump administration’s rhetoric and investigation threats have sparked new security threats against political opponents, including Kelly and his wife, Gabby Giffords (herself a shooting survivor).
  • Quote:
    “As the husband of Congresswoman Gabby Giffords, I understand what political violence is… [Trump] should understand that his words have serious, serious consequences.” — Sen. Mark Kelly [40:11]
• Wallace and Hertling decry a lack of Republican response—even after Trump alluded to executing sitting members of Congress.
  • Quote:
    “We're in a time, Nicole, of moral injury and moral cowardice, a lack of ability to really see what our values and our ethos are…” — Gen. Mark Hertling [41:48]
• The show interrogates what this means for democracy and the willingness of Republican officials to push back.

8. Wider Political Context: Cracks in Trump’s Republican Support

[25:49–27:16, 28:27–31:35]

• Marjorie Taylor Greene’s exit and dissatisfaction among Armed Services Committee members hint at some GOP fracturing.
• Yet, panelists express skepticism over whether this translates to tangible opposition or is mere grumbling in the face of electoral consequences.
  • Quote:
    “They're going to keep trying to blow past the guardrails of the law… but I don't think it's going to work. I do think the judges will hold…” — Political Analyst (Claire McCaskill) [27:15]
• Carol Leonnig underscores public anxiety, noting anecdotally that many Americans compare the times to pre-fascist 1930s Europe.

Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Rule of Law:
  “Big law has chosen big partner bonuses… over the risk of toying and tangoing with Donald Trump in Trump 2.0.”
  — Carol Leonnig [12:14]

• Comey’s Rallying Call:
  “It's time to stand up and show the fools who would frighten us… that we're made of stronger stuff, that we believe in the rule of law, that we believe in the importance of doing things by the law. So stand tall, shine, and keep the faith.”
  — Jim Comey [06:52]

• On Imposing on the Judiciary:
  “A stool cannot stand on just one leg… but the judiciary may in fact have been that bulwark that saved us.”
  — Jen Psaki [24:44]

• On Moral Responsibility:
  “You stand up for someone who's being bullied. … That's what I think a lot of these people who are not standing up for the moral right are experiencing right now.”
  — Gen. Mark Hertling [43:08]

Timestamps for Important Segments

• [01:08] — Main story: Judge dismisses Trump’s prosecution of Comey & James
• [04:56] — Comey’s Instagram statement, rule of law warning
• [06:12] — Panel: Legal and political analysis
• [11:15] — Big law’s changing role, “malevolence and incompetence”
• [16:58] — Consequences for Halligan and Bondi—bar complaints
• [22:35] — Comey’s faith in the judiciary
• [33:23] — Pentagon initiates investigation into Sen. Mark Kelly
• [36:29] — Discussion: Trump's antagonism toward military honor
• [40:11] — Kelly on threats, Giffords and political violence
• [41:48] — Hertling’s reflection on moral cowardice in politics
• [43:31] — Preview: Maddow interview with Mark Kelly

Conclusion

This episode provides a granular, insider’s look at the unraveling of Trump’s effort to use the DOJ as a political weapon, underscoring how courts, lawyers, and vestiges of institutional resistance have thus far stymied the worst abuses. Yet, the tone remains sober: the “one remaining leg” of democracy—the judiciary—is under immense strain, with questions lingering about whether other pillars (Congress, legal community) and the public will step up to reinforce bulwarks against creeping authoritarianism. Panelists call for renewed moral courage, both inside and outside government.

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