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“Kristi Noem fired from DHS”

Thu Mar 05 2026

Nicolle Wallace covers the breaking news that Kristi Noem is out at DHS. Donald Trump made the announcement on Truth Social this afternoon and named Senator Markwayne Mullin (R-OK) as her replacement. Noem’s firing comes after weeks of turmoil in Minneapolis, resulting in the deaths of Alex Pretti and Renee Nicole Good, and reports from all over the country of U.S. citizens being detained and assaulted by ICE officers.

Summary

Deadline: White House — “Kristi Noem Fired from DHS” (March 5, 2026) Host: Nicolle Wallace
Guests: Michele Norris, Miles Taylor, Vaughn Hilliard, Frank Kendall, Senator Alex Padilla

Episode Overview

This episode centers on the sudden firing of Department of Homeland Security Secretary Kristi Noem by President Donald Trump, exploring the messy legacy of her tenure and the political backdrop. The discussion covers the controversial war in Iran, Trump's sagging poll numbers—particularly on immigration—and ongoing issues like the fallout from the Epstein files and aggressive deportation tactics. With insight from reporters and former officials, the hour unravels whether Noem’s ouster signals a course correction, a distraction, or just another phase in the administration's turbulence.

Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. The News: Kristi Noem Fired from DHS

Announcement Details: Trump announced Noem's firing on Truth Social, simultaneously inventing a new title for her (“Special Envoy to the Shield of the Americas”), a move widely seen as offering her a face-saving exit ([01:06]).
Companion Firing: DHS official Corey Lewandowski was also ousted.
Awkward Timing: Noem was speaking to law enforcement, seemingly unaware that she’d been fired, discussing future plans as DHS secretary ([01:49]).

2. Legacy of Kristi Noem at DHS

Defining Features:
- Mass Deportation Campaign: Described as “ghoulish and intentionally cruel,” leading to the deaths of at least two U.S. citizens and the fracturing of countless families ([02:31]).
- Lawlessness: DHS under Noem ignored over 100 court orders ([02:56]).
- Credibility Crisis: Trump's immigration approval plummeted, with polls showing half of Americans favoring abolishing DHS ([03:18]).
- Gaslighting after Killings: Noem falsely characterized the deaths of Alex Preddy and Renee Nicole Goode as terrorism ([03:47]), later proven untrue.

3. The Role of Media, Propaganda, and the $220 Million Ad Scandal

Controversial Ad Blitz: Noem fronted a taxpayer-funded ad campaign promoting her own image, claiming Trump personally approved it, while he denied any involvement shortly before firing her ([04:26]).
Political Fallout: The ad scandal was a tipping point for the administration, though not the sole reason for her dismissal.

4. Departmental Turmoil and Implications for Successor

Morale and Infrastructure: Massive morale and infrastructure problems plague DHS ([06:17]). Inspector General letters to Congress outlined dysfunction and lawlessness.
Successor Apprehension: Markwayne Mullin (Oklahoma Senator, ex-MMA fighter) is Trump’s pick for DHS secretary, raising concerns about his qualifications ([05:54]).
Senate Hearing Prospects: Mullin’s lack of experience and antagonism with figures like Rand Paul may complicate his confirmation ([25:20]).

5. Internal and External Critiques

Senator Thom Tillis’ Rebuke: Brought up Noem’s personal conduct, referencing her book's description of killing pets and equating it with her leadership failures ([11:03]).
Democratic Perspective: Senator Alex Padilla discussed being forcibly removed from a Noem press event and drew the link between such treatment of officials and the likely worse treatment of immigrants ([14:32]).

6. Broader Political Context: War in Iran & Trump's Polls

War as Backdrop: Discussion of the Iran war interweaves with the DHS crisis, suggesting both function as distractions from larger failures (Epstein files, poll numbers) ([01:06], [27:47]).
Trump’s Motivations: Speculation that firings and new appointments serve more to insulate Trump politically than to fix systemic issues ([15:24], [31:15]).

7. The Cost of Political Turmoil: Soldiers’ Lives & Public Accountability

Honoring the Fallen: Emotional segment honoring U.S. service members killed in Iran ([35:47]), contrasted with Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth’s dismissive response to media coverage of these losses ([35:18]).
Reflection: Frank Kendall emphasizes the gravity of sending Americans into combat, criticizing leadership for downplaying sacrifice (“If our leadership doesn’t understand that, doesn’t appreciate that, and isn’t sensitive to it, they shouldn’t be leading us.” – [38:47]).

8. Ongoing Dysfunction at DHS and National Security Risks

Department Shutdown: DHS remains technically unfunded, with staff departing or furloughed and no clear operational continuity ([28:28]).
Security Implications: The firing spree leaves the U.S. “exposed” amidst international conflict, with no clear direction for real threats vs. political crackdowns ([27:47]).

Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

Gaslighting over Civilian Deaths

Noem’s False Statement ([03:47]):

“An officer of ours acted quickly and defensively, shot to protect himself and the people around him. This individual … committed an act of domestic terrorism. That's the facts.”
(Kristi Noem, later proven false)

Critique from Within the GOP

Senator Tillis Confronts Noem in Senate Hearing ([11:03]):

“You decided to kill that dog because you had not invested the appropriate time in training … And then you have the audacity to go into a book and say it’s a leadership lesson about tough choices.”

On the Transformation of DHS

Miles Taylor on DHS’s New Mandate ([13:00]):

“Her legacy … is taking [DHS] from a place that was built to defend against Al Qaeda … to going after Americans under the banner of antifa. … She has become the warden of the police state.”

Insider Account of Trump’s Management

Taylor Explaining the “Buy-Off” of Ousted Officials ([31:15]):

“[Trump] wants to give her some sort of title and off ramp and … pay as a way to literally buy her off … because he's worried they’ll go write a book … or undercut him. This is how a mob boss operates.”

On the War in Iran and Its Costs

Frank Kendall on Leadership Accountability ([38:47]):

“If our leadership doesn’t understand that, doesn’t appreciate that, and isn’t sensitive to it, they shouldn’t be leading us.”

The Stakes for DHS’s Next Leader

Michele Norris on Confirmation Process ([24:11]):

“This is too serious for them to just pass [Markwayne] Mullin through because he is a colleague of theirs and because he's loyal to Donald Trump. There simply is too much at stake right now.”

Important Timestamps

01:06 — Noem’s firing announced; question of political distraction raised
03:47 — Noem’s misleading statement on civilian fatalities
06:17 — Norris describes chaos and credibility crisis at DHS
11:03 — Senator Tillis rebukes Noem for her “leadership lessons” in animal killings
13:00 — Taylor on DHS’s shift toward political policing
15:24 — Senator Padilla provides personal account of Noem’s treatment of elected officials and the broader consequences
31:15 — Taylor explains the pattern of offering “consolation” titles to fired Trump officials
35:18 — Pete Hegseth’s remarks downplaying the reporting of U.S. soldier deaths
38:47 — Frank Kendall’s reflection on the gravity of military loss and the amateurish handling of war

Takeaways

Kristi Noem’s firing is emblematic of a broader crisis in Trump’s administration, reflecting failures of policy, leadership, and communication—especially at DHS.
DHS’s legacy under Noem is profoundly negative: mass deportations, disregard for the law, propaganda campaigns, and a dramatic loss of institutional credibility.
Appointing Senator Markwayne Mullin as DHS Secretary is widely questioned, with doubts about his experience and hints that his selection is motivated by loyalty rather than competence.
Political distractions and shifting narratives (war in Iran, Epstein files, ad scandals) point to a White House in damage-control mode, trying desperately to control public opinion against a backdrop of plummeting approval ratings.
National security is at risk as leadership churn, internal dysfunction, and ill-considered war expand the sense of chaos.
The human costs of leadership failure — both among American citizens harmed by policy and military families whose losses are minimized by officials — are explored, grounding the debate in real consequences.

For listeners seeking clarity on why Kristi Noem fell from favor, the state of DHS, and what’s next as the administration reels, this episode delivers unflinching analysis and hard-hitting insight from reporters, public officials, and former national security leaders.

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Host/Moderator (1:06)

Hi there everybody. Four o' clock in New York. So there are two theories for what's happening today. Either DHS Secretary Kristi Noem is so bad at her job that even Donald TRUMP Donald Trump 2.0 said you're fired. Or or her firing could be a distraction from the increasingly unpopular and controversial war in Iran, which, come to think of it, could have been an effort to distract from the disastrous and bungled cover up of the Epstein files. Their partial release might have actually been a distraction from the cruel and deeply unpopular conduct of federal agents on the streets of Minneapolis, carrying out Donald Trump's mass deportation campaign and killing two US Citizens in the process. Now, whether Trump's distracting from a distraction that was a distraction of an unpopular distraction, we'll let you decide. But here's the news. Kristi Noem has been fired from her position as the country's Secretary of Homeland Security. In tried and true Trumpian fashion, Donald Trump announced her firing on Truth Social, adding that she's been appointed Special envoy to the Shield of the Americas, a position no one had heard of until a couple hours ago. Corey Lewandowski is also out at dhs. As news of her firing was breaking, Kristi Noem was speaking. There she is. She was speaking to law enforcement and it wasn't clear at all if she knew she'd been fired as while she was talking, she talked about meetings she was going to have in the coming days as DHS secretary. Awkward now. Regardless, her tenure at DHS will be remembered until the end of time. It was defined by the mass deportation program that was built to be ghoulish and intentionally cruel and to market those aspects of it. It led to the deaths of at Least two Americans ripped apart countless families and seemed to revel in doing so. It was also defined by lawlessness. Under Kristi Noem's leadership, Noem and her department defied more than 100 court orders. They defied judges more than 100 times under her tenure. Donald Trump's approval rating cratered on the issue of immigration, once considered one of his strongest policy issues, propelling him to the presidency. Two times today, a poll showed that half of Americans support abolishing the department she ran. Kristi Noem was also the tip of the spear in the gaslighting of all Americans about the deaths of Alex Preddy and Renee Nicole Goode. Here's a reminder of what Kristi Noem said immediately after their killings.

Miles Taylor (8:21)

Right. And I think that is an embodiment of the struggle for anybody serving in Trump 2.0 cabinet, that Kristi Noem effectively tried to carry out his goals and the agenda of a mass deportation effort. But she struggled to do what was legally within the bounds of her abilities to do so. I don't think that you're looking at somebody that was not an avid spokeswoman for the Department of Homeland Security. She made those ads to promote the work of those deportation operations in their immigration restriction efforts. But instead, what you had was somebody who was limited by the bounds of judges, somebody who did not make Donald Trump happy because of the bounce that there was not a greater mass deportation effort carried out and one that oftentimes had bad imagery associated with it, children running from school in New Jersey, the killing of Alex Preddy and Renee Goode. But I think that that is going to be the struggle for Mark Wayne Mullen as well here, because Kristi Noem, in many ways, right. A couple weeks ago, I asked her at the White House about the Fourth Amendment rights of unreasonable search and seizure and whether folks were being asked with unreasonable suspicion for their papers. And she, her quote back to me was very clear that they are doing everything correctly. So in so many ways, I think that she was a figure that tried to do her best on behalf of Donald Trump and his desires. But that is where there is such a short straw for individuals. And she could very well be the first to fall. Because if you look at the other one, for example, right, unlike Tulsi Gabbard and Kash Patel carrying out efforts in Fulton county, she effectively was unable to prove at any point that there were noncitizens on the voter rolls across the country, which she herself acknowledged was under her purview. She did nothing to show that there were cybersecurity threats to vote tabulating machines around the country, which she also suggested was under her purview, and so forth. In so many ways, I think her performance up on Capitol Hill by effectively throwing Donald Trump under the bus of approving that $220 million ad campaign only added on to the difficulty she had in garnering the approval of the man that she reported to.

Nicole (25:52)

Well, look, not good. Not good for his confirmation hearing. But I'll tell you what, Rand Paul knows, Nicole, that in some way, shape or form, he's going to express during these confirmation hearings, the administration is trying to send an arsonist into a burning house. No one should be under the illusion that Mark Wayne Mullen is gonna go into DHS and clean it up. And you know this, Nicole. Last year, we launched this thing called defiance.org to crowdsource efforts to counter Donald Trump's abuses of power. Fully half the submissions we get about corruption that we need to try to go after have to do with the Department of Homeland Security, election threats and immigration threats and designating the political opposition as terrorists and whistleblowers, talking about Fourth Amendment violations and Second Amendment violations. And, you know, the WHO thing. It's a burning building, the Department of Homeland Security, and they're sending a guy in there who helped start that fire. It's become a totally lawless place. Not only is he not going to clean it up, this also comes at a really dangerous moment. And I want to note something, Nicole. I'm not playing the violin for Kristi Noem, but this comes at a very strange moment. Donald Trump said that he thought about the implications for US Security when he went into Iran, and now he's firing the defensive team here in the United States. He's leaving us totally exposed. He's putting the Department of Homeland Security in turmoil at a moment when we know the Iranians will plan terrorist attacks against the United States. My question in that confirmation hearing is Markway Mullen prepared to actually get the department to focus on what it's supposed to do, terrorists instead of calling American protesters antifa and pretending they're domestic terrorists? That's the big question. We are in a war right now. This guy can't even seem to figure out what to call it, and now we're expecting him to go run the defensive team. Once again, this just shows the president's total and complete recklessness with national security.

Miles Taylor (28:28)

I think it calls into question, number one, that I think that we've known that Iran has posed a threat here domestically. The President of the United States himself. And if you look back to October 2024, when the Biden Department of Justice was able to effectively investigate, charge and convict a man in Michigan who had a plot, according to prosecutors, that was directed by the Iranian government to kill him. And I think that that really hits at the heart of the what Miles is saying is the operational capacity of the Department of Homeland Security right now. Not only has there been a gutting of career employees, folks that were furloughed, folks that took last year, the Doge buyout to leave the department, but also really in real time, the Department of Homeland Security is still technically shut down. And there is no clear avenue in which there are congressional Democrats that are seeking to agree with this administration to open up the Department of Homeland Security and to begin funding it again. Because a couple of the demands like, for example, requiring warrants to go in and execute on attempted deportation efforts here. But I think it also goes back to a really good reporting from our colleagues Laura Barone Lopez and Jake Traylor back in December, where part of Stephen Miller's frustration with Kristi Noem and the Department of Homeland Security leadership, including Corey Lewandowski, was, was their slowness to spend money that was appropriated through the one big beautiful bill, that $60 billion extra for ice to carry out its deportation efforts here. And so whether it is for counterterrorism efforts through the Department of Homeland Security or whether it's for their deportation efforts, there is a logjam at the leadership and ultimately at the career personnel level to carry out the type of activity that is meant to protect Americans here at home. And so while on hand, Donald Trump is removing those over frustration with their slowness to act. At the same time, who is going to operationally fill that gap and carry out the demands? Mark Wayne Mullen, somebody that doesn't have any experience with the Department of Homeland Security or the executive branch of the federal government. I guess he's made that determination. But it's not clear that there is a hiring spree of other individuals across DHS here at a time that it's still shut down to ensure that they're getting not only hired, but also that those that are currently serving are going to be getting their paychecks in the weeks to come.

Host/Moderator (35:47)

So the death of six service members, in the words of Pete Hegseth, is not, quote, reporting the reality. Twelve hours after the Defense Secretary of Defense said that that reporting on the men and women who have lost their lives serving their country is just an effort to, quote, make the president look bad, the Pentagon announced the name of a service member believed to be one of those six casualties. Chief Warrant Officer 3, Robert M. Marzon was 54 years old. He was from Sacramento, California. To honor Marzan, California's Governor Gavin Newsom ordered all the flags to have staff and issued a statement that reads, quote, we offer our deepest condolences to his wife and family during this time of profound sorrow. The sacrifices made by military families are immeasurable and California stands in solidary solidarity with them, united in grief and gratitude. Major Jeffrey o' Brien was also killed by an Iranian drone strike, according to the Defense department. He was 45 years old. He was from Iowa. His family said this in a statement about him, quote, jeff was a true hero in every sense of the word. He was not only a role model to our kids, but also a goofy and silly dad, always looking for ways to make the kids laugh. He was an exceptional and caring husband, even finding Ways to take care of us while serving 7,000 miles away. Jeff was also an incredible friend, a dedicated employee, and a man of deep faith. Every one of these relationships matter profoundly to him, and he will be missed by so many. End quote. We learned earlier in the week about the identities of the other four soldiers who have been killed. Sergeant First Class Nicole Amour of White Bear Lake, Minnesota, Captain Cody Cork of Winter Haven, Florida, Sergeant First Class Noah Teehens of Bellevue, Nebraska, and Sergeant Declan Cody of West Des Moines, Iowa, whose sister spoke with the Associated Press Watch. I still don't fully think it's real. I didn't think it was real when they told us. I just really wish I got to tell him I love him one more time because he was just so amazing. And he was in front of everybody,

Frank Kendall (46:35)

Well, they matter because the Constitution gives the authority to initiate a war very clearly with the Congress and not the president. I think presidents for quite some time have conducted military operations that they consider short of war. How you can say that about this one, I think really boggles the mind. You know, the attack on Venezuela, Venezuela was relatively brief, was a raid, basically. There have been proportionate responses sometimes to attacks on American installations, but this is of a scale and magnitude that nobody can convince you. It's not a major operation here, a major war. We have built two carrier boots. We built a lot of other assets into the region. I think they expected it to be very short. They were looking for something that followed the Venezuela model. You know, it'd be over quickly. They decapitate the government, people would rise up, take over, and that'd be it. That's not what they got. And it's quite often historically that people who start wars end up with wars they didn't intend. Vladimir Putin just had this experience in Ukraine a few years ago. Here we are. I can't predict how this will end. It could end very quickly. It could end up with an uprising as was apparently expected. It's more likely, I think, to end up with some kind of a deal where Donald Trump, in order to stop this, cuts a deal with the existing regime, gets something that he can as a token in any way claim victory. And then we go on. That's it could also drag on for quite a long time. The Iranians, I think, are capable of maintaining the types of military operations they've been conducting. Maybe at a lower level. We can continue the air campaign. We do have plenty of weapons. And this can go on for some time without a resolution. I think at the end of the day, it's going to be solved through some political decision and political pressure both within Iran and within the United States to get it over with. And those pressures are going to come about independent of what's happening operationally, I think.