The Wallpaper Series | Part 3: Textures & Grasscloth

Summary

Dear Alice Podcast Summary Episode: The Wallpaper Series | Part 3: Textures & Grasscloth
Release Date: October 24, 2024
Hosts: Jessica Bennett and Suzanne Hall (Alice Lane)

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Introduction to Textured Wallpapers and Grasscloths

In the third installment of The Wallpaper Series, hosts Jessica Bennett and Suzanne Hall delve into the elegant world of textured wallpapers and grasscloths. With their signature blend of wit and expertise, they explore how these textures can transform spaces, adding depth and character without overwhelming a room.

The Allure of Grasscloths and Textured Wallpapers

Alice Lane opens the discussion by emphasizing the versatility of textures in interior design:

“I can't think of a house where we didn't use a texture like a grass cloth or linen or something in some capacity because it's just kind of a draping for the room. It gives a hush yes to the space and adds interest without being overwhelming” (01:13).

Suzanne Hall adds her enthusiasm for grasscloths, sharing her personal connection:

“I have a strong and firm testimony on grass cloths. So I'm excited to get into this today too” (00:58).

Applications in Various Spaces

1. Closets: Enhancing Personal Spaces

One of their favorite projects features Rachel Parcel's closet, adorned with Osborne & Little’s textured wallpaper. Jessica describes the effect:

“It looks like an actual installation of silvered metal that you have to touch. It’s really stunning” (11:01).

Alice highlights how such textures can elevate the visual appeal of personal spaces:

“It brings up the drama on any space you put that in. It makes sense to do something strong back there” (11:37).

2. Primary Suites: Creating Luxurious Retreats

The hosts discuss using grasscloths in primary suites, emphasizing the luxurious ambiance they create. Jessica notes:

“It’s a luxury of a space and I think you can go for it” (22:23).

Alice shares practical advice for selecting textures in bedrooms:

“If you are texture sensitive, make sure that anybody that's going to be living in the spaces or interacting with them knows how it feels” (22:59).

3. Ceilings: Adding Unexpected Depth

Applying grasscloths to ceilings can introduce unexpected depth and warmth. Jessica showcases a home office with a pink grasscloth ceiling:

“It just needed something. It was a really nice touch to do it on that ceiling” (23:53).

Alice echoes the sentiment, emphasizing the comprehensive attention to detail:

“It’s a well-detailed room that addresses every plane. Nothing was forgotten” (24:30).

Brands and Products: Philip Jeffries and Thiebaud

The podcast features prominent brands such as Philip Jeffries and Thiebaud, renowned for their high-quality textured wallpapers.

Philip Jeffries offers luxurious options with real grasscloths, providing three-dimensional textures and metallic sheens:

“Philip Jeffries is a luxury item. It looks more expensive than something corrugated” (11:05).

Thiebaud presents more affordable alternatives without compromising on quality:

“Thiebaud is a good resource for us because if we need to pull the price down, that's exactly where I go” (13:35).

Installation Tips and Practical Advice

Proper installation is crucial for achieving the desired effect with textured wallpapers and grasscloths. The hosts share several key tips:

• Avoiding Seam Overlaps: Jessica advises:

  “You aren't having the grass touch too close to the ground in case there is a spill... break up the seams” (16:58).

• Room Geometry Considerations: Suzanne emphasizes the importance of room shape:

  “Depends on the complexity of the lay. You have to do a lot of math depending on your space” (20:03).

• Ordering Extra Rolls: To account for potential damages or future repairs, Jessica recommends:

  “Always make sure you have at least one extra roll... add one extra roll just for good measure” (21:45).

Personal Experiences and Project Highlights

The hosts share anecdotes from their own design projects, illustrating the transformative power of textures:

• Grand Tour Estate: Featuring a blackened grasscloth by Philip Jeffries, this project showcases how textures can make small spaces feel expansive and luxurious.
• Music Room Ceiling: A complex installation using Philip Jeffries' Stardust silk wallpaper, demonstrating the intricate work required for curved surfaces (32:08).
• Living Room and Powder Bath: Highlighting both high-end and vinyl options from Thiebaud, these projects illustrate versatility in different settings (25:11).

Conclusion: Embracing Texture in Interior Design

Throughout the episode, Jessica and Suzanne reinforce that textured wallpapers and grasscloths are timeless tools in interior design. They advocate for thoughtful application, considering both aesthetic and practical aspects, to create spaces that are both beautiful and functional.

“If you happen to be listening, looking at my living room, I think that ceiling should be painted. And I need to go back and do that” (26:08).

Ultimately, the episode serves as a comprehensive guide for designers and homeowners alike, encouraging the thoughtful incorporation of textures to elevate interior spaces.

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Notable Quotes with Timestamps

• Alice Lane: “I can't think of a house where we didn't use a texture like a grass cloth or linen or something in some capacity because it's just kind of a draping for the room.” (01:13)
• Suzanne Hall: “I have a strong and firm testimony on grass cloths. So I'm excited to get into this today too.” (00:58)
• Jessica Bennett: “It looks like an actual installation of silvered metal that you have to touch. It’s really stunning.” (11:01)
• Alice Lane: “If you are texture sensitive, make sure that anybody that's going to be living in the spaces or interacting with them knows how it feels.” (22:59)
• Suzanne Hall: “You aren't having the grass touch too close to the ground in case there is a spill.” (16:58)
• Jessica Bennett: “Always make sure you have at least one extra roll... add one extra roll just for good measure.” (21:45)

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Additional Resources

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Feel free to reach out with topics or questions for future episodes at dearialanehome.com.

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Thank you for tuning into Dear Alice! Stay inspired and keep creating beautiful spaces.

Transcript

[Alice]

Welcome to Dear Alice, A lifestyle approach to interior design.

[Jordan]

Hi, everyone. Welcome to Dear Alice.

[Sue]

You know how many episodes we have that start with the laugh? I don't know if you guys heard that or not. We probably got edited out. Thank you.

[Alice]

Jordan just said the ticket.

[Jordan]

Textures, textures. We're gonna do a third episode on wallpapers. In this episode, we're going to be unpacking the textured wallpapers and the grass cloths. I see you out there. I know you were a kid once pulling the strings on the grass cloth at your grandma's house.

[Alice]

I know I did.

[Jordan]

Huh? Just plucking those out, thinking that was fun and funny, ruining your grandma's dreams.

[Alice]

After we attacked the cane chairs.

[Jordan]

Just kidding. It was. Oh yeah, that's true. You wanted to unthread those. There is a for grass cloths and I for one have it in my living room. And I have a strong and firm testimony on grass cloths. So I'm excited to get into this today too.

[Alice]

And honestly, when we were talking about this and going through projects, I'm like, I can't think of a house where we didn't use a texture like a grass cloth or linen or something in some capacity because it's just. It's kind of a draping for the room. Right. It's nothing too opinionated, but it does give a hush yes to the space and it just adds interest without being overwhelming.

[Jordan]

So one thing that we've learned recently is if you have a client that has more than one home, they think of the grass cloths for their beach house and that they would never use them in their city house. However, comma, if you are like us normal folk who have one residence, we use it however the heck we want.

[Alice]

Beach house in Utah.

[Jordan]

Oh, heck, yeah. Yeah, you do. I'm making all my house dreams come true in one in one residence. So however you want to think about grass cloths in your mind is up to you. We're going to talk about them today.

[Alice]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

Yeah. But first, guys, we are mid October. Can we talk about how Halloween for a minute?

[Alice]

Yes.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Alice]

I love Halloween.

[Jordan]

What's your favorite part about Halloween? Or what's your kids favorite part?

[Sue]

I'm gonna let you go first.

[Alice]

I'm like, I know your answer. Yeah. Okay.

[Sue]

This, I don't know. This year we may not get to go because. Yeah, we always go to Disneyland. Brian head has just been kicking. Yeah, it's just been killing me.

[Jordan]

So what's your favorite part though, in your brain about Disneyland and Halloween?

[Sue]

They, I mean, they just do everything to the nines there, you know. That's super cool. Ye. And just it gets darker there earlier. It's like 4:30 to 5 and so it's like the lights come on and it feels like it's night forever. So that's so fun. I love that. Yeah, just all the decorations and they have a ton of crows there, especially in the fall. And it's just an ant. Like it's an Anaheim thing. Cause they've built so much, torn down a lot of trees. So they all flock to Disneyland and there's just like a million crows.

[Alice]

You're like part of their migration pattern.

[Sue]

Yeah, that's what it is. And I thought I was like, man, Disney is paying crows now to get here. And they did. But yeah, it's just like. It's the thing that makes me feel like it is this season. You know what I mean? Like, I'm just like, okay, it's here, it's kicking off.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Sue]

Having said that, it started in August 23rd, which I thought was dumb. Yeah, it's too early, guys.

[Jordan]

I don't like that in August. It was my birthday and I remember grocery shopping on my birthday, August 14th and they had pumpkin spice donuts out and I was like, are we really doing fall this early?

[Sue]

It just gets earlier and earlier.

[Jordan]

Here's the thing, everybody's favorite season. I swear, you ask nine out of 10 people, they're going to say fall. And so you want to start fall sooner because you want to stay in that moment. We actually are in that moment of time right now, guys.

[Sue]

This is how I feel about stuff starting too soon though. It's like, I love dinner, but I don't want it right after I just ate lunch. You know what I mean? Like, I need a minute. I need a breath too much. And so yeah, let's keep like Christmas tunes like November 1st and to the end of the year. I think Halloween, mid September is good for me.

[Jordan]

You know, you just have so many people that probably want to experience it. Are tickets more expensive to go for Halloween or just the same?

[Sue]

It's. They vary.

[Alice]

They're a little.

[Sue]

A little bit. Yeah.

[Jordan]

Probably peak times or just more.

[Sue]

But like a Wednesday is going to be cheaper than a Saturday or something like that. But what I think they're trying to do is like there's a two week lull at the end of aught. There was always is. And so I think they're trying to like bring the people.

[Alice]

Yeah. Pump it up.

[Jordan]

Data. Data taught them. Okay, yeah.

[Alice]

Here's a quick Disneyland question for you. Halloween or Christmas? If you could go to one or the other. I've done it during Christmas, but I haven't done Halloween. And I know, like, I'm missing out. I need to do it.

[Sue]

Yeah, I would probably say Halloween for real. Like, And I love, like. Don't get me wrong, I love Christmas. But, yeah, Halloween's so fun. So fun there.

[Jordan]

So sorry, I have a tangent in my head. Do you. Are we supposed to say Halloween, or we supposed to say Halloween?

[Sue]

I say Halloween.

[Jordan]

I say Halloween, but you say Halloween. All hollows.

[Alice]

I didn't know I said that.

[Sue]

Last name is Hall. I don't know.

[Jordan]

Yeah, Halloween. Halloween.

[Alice]

I don't know.

[Jordan]

I wish we could take a poll right now. Just say it out loud in your car while you're driving. Alice.

[Sue]

Alice, home dot com.

[Alice]

I do. When I do listen to our podcast, everyone. I know that I slur my words, and I'm just like, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Textures. Like Halloween. Like, anyway, I know I say like a lot, so I say Halloween.

[Jordan]

Do you know what? Jane. Jane Bennett just got back from working in New York, and she says, horrible.

[Alice]

It's horrible. Oh, she's been in New York for.

[Jordan]

I was like, horrible. What are we saying? We say horrible.

[Sue]

So funny.

[Jordan]

Horrible. I'm like, you're a New Yorker now. Horrible.

[Sue]

That's like when. That's like when Madonna married Guy Ritchie and she had, like, a British accent. I was like, what?

[Jordan]

I do that, too. I cannot go to market and not say y'all and pull up a Southern draw, somebody. It's addictive.

[Sue]

Yeah, yeah.

[Jordan]

Yes. Okay, tell us about your favorite Halloween.

[Alice]

Oh, I have three little boys, so I'm just like. Like, boys love spooky things. Like, we. We fight, see a spider. We, like, go and look at it and inspect it because they have three little boys. That's what you do. So Halloween is a big deal. I was just telling you guys that, like, if a kid's having a meltdown and they're screaming, the grand distraction question is, hey, what are you gonna be for Halloween? And then, like, all things shut off, and they're just like, chase from Paw Patrol, you know, and then everything's okay. So, yeah, Halloween is a very commonly discussed thing in our house. I love this so much, you know, and the costumes change on the daily. As you can imagine, the meltdowns.

[Jordan]

Yes.

[Alice]

So, but my favorite part of Halloween.

[Jordan]

Is I think the costume started in August or July.

[Alice]

Oh, gosh.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Alice]

We're in a Costume era for sure.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Alice]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

I feel like they've been any number of things. It's probably rotation. Yeah. Rotation of costumes. Yeah. And multiple. Per day.

[Alice]

Per hour.

[Sue]

I'm okay with that.

[Jordan]

Per hour.

[Alice]

Per hour. Like, potty training during costume era is the worst, which is what I'm going through right now. But it's really cute.

[Jordan]

Yeah, it is cute.

[Alice]

Also, I'm always. Poor Jess. I'm always sending her pictures like, you're my instant live a friend.

[Jordan]

It's the best.

[Alice]

So I would also.

[Jordan]

You should have stock in Halloween costumes. I'm like, how much money is sue thrown down in costumes?

[Alice]

You must have a costume closet, because, you know. Anyway.

[Jordan]

Do you have a costume closet? Where do you keep them? All pile.

[Alice]

Because they would tear them out of a closet anyway. And I put them in a bin and they take them out of there. So I just have a pile of them right now.

[Jordan]

How many bins do you have?

[Alice]

We used to have, like, one big trunk full of them.

[Jordan]

Okay.

[Alice]

But now they're on the floor because, like, they're just.

[Jordan]

It's such a trunk's worth. So maybe like, thick and dense. Under 20?

[Alice]

Yeah, I would say 20, for sure.

[Jordan]

Okay, good. Yeah.

[Alice]

Different pieces.

[Jordan]

So your favorite part of Halloween. My apologies.

[Alice]

Oh, okay. Sorry. I said a lot of things is for sure, the dress up. I think, like, for my kids is really, really fun. I've had it, obviously, for a couple months now, but, like, for them to, like, finalize what they're gonna be and they're gonna go, like, I have two that are going to be going to school in their costume and like, it. Big deal.

[Sue]

It really is.

[Alice]

It's a big, big deal. So I think the dress up, and then we have the spooky old barn. Right. That's in the back. And it's really cool. But at Halloween, my neighbor across the street, she uses it and, like, decks out and does a whole party, and she always asks, she's like, can I do something in the barn? I'm like, sure. People think I did.

[Sue]

Yeah.

[Alice]

Just kidding. But it's really, really fun because she goes all out and all the kids come and, like, we have a big fire in the. In the pit, and it's just so spooky. The leaves are falling. There's piles everywhere, and kids are jumping through those. So there's just, like. There's a crisp in the air. You're wearing layers. Like, there's so the food. There's so much good stuff to say about Halloween. I can't pinpoint it to one thing, but just like this.

[Sue]

And if you live in a good neighborhood, like on Halloween, like night, like, everyone's out, someone's. Someone's making hot chocolate, someone has Cooking hot dogs or something. Yeah. Donuts. Yeah.

[Alice]

It's so much fun.

[Jordan]

It's just a whole communal event that is idyllic. If you close your eyes and picture it, it's exactly it. And sue has this massive tree that's twice the height of her house. That's dropp. These massive yellow leaves. And the kids are in swing sets under it in costumes, running around and. Yeah, you're hearing music while you watch it.

[Alice]

They should film us. They should film something under that tree.

[Jordan]

So freaking cute.

[Alice]

It's really cute. So I am so excited for this time of year.

[Jordan]

Oh, guys, I love it. Well, let's jump into our topic, shall we?

[Sue]

Yes. This is our third episode on wallpaper. We had two others. The first one on murals, the second one on patterns. Go listen to those if you haven't. Uh, this one is on textures and grass cloths. So, yeah, we're going to be talking about textured wallpapers, which, like I said, which include silks, linens, grass cloths, upholstered walls, vinyls.

[Alice]

Yeah.

[Sue]

Type of thing.

[Alice]

And I know when we think textures, I think it's still a visual texture. So still tune in on YouTube because I still think that the texture gives a real mood to a space. Even though it's a little bit more quiet than the patterns and murals, it's still. It's a mood.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Alice]

So.

[Jordan]

And to illustrate what we're talking about, we're going to be sharing our projects to show you how we've used wall. So today we're going to be showing you the textures and the grass cloths that we've used in projects. Where to use them, how to use them. So as you're looking through your house and trying to consider if you want to paper something or not, there might be a place that you didn't think where you could put a little bit of wallpaper and really help that space come to life.

[Alice]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Jordan]

So fun. So let's start off with the closet, shall we?

[Alice]

Yes, let's.

[Jordan]

It's probably one of our most beloved projects. This is Rachel Parcel's closet. And the backs of her closet wall. Yeah. Every bay is hit with this osborne and little paper. And it look, it's silvered and it has a wave to it and it is really dimensional. And I don't know how else to describe it. It's almost Leaf, like silver leaf, like. But it looks like it bends in the back of her closet.

[Alice]

You almost feel like it's a refined corrugation or something happening on the back.

[Jordan]

It looks like an actual installation of silvered metal that you have to pet it. Like you have to touch it. Yeah, yeah. It looks like it's like an optical illusion, but it looks way more expensive than something corrugated anyway. Really stunning. So the backs of your closets is a really nice place to hit with this. This is really good for like built ins as well. In a. In a men's office or a woman's office, you can get this effect. Shoes, purses, clothing all looks really stunning with that as its backdrop.

[Alice]

It brings, it pulls up the drama, I think, on any space you put that in, it's really beautiful. And clothes are like what she's highlighting. And so it makes sense to do something strong back there, right?

[Jordan]

Totally.

[Alice]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

Yeah. One of the kings of this whole, of this whole game is Phillip Jeffries.

[Alice]

Yeah. Oh, man.

[Jordan]

A paper. Yeah. I think we said manufacturer, right? Manufacturer, yes. Sorry, Rachel. Parcels was Osborne and Little. So we're going to show you a couple of Philip Jeffries moments right now. Speaking of silvered, I kind of wanted to stay in that vein. This is Philip Jeffrey's silver leaf. This had an arc. This room is a dining room from our coastal contemporary project. And it had an architectural feature in it called a barrel vault. And whenever you see a vault like that, you just feel like you have to do something to it. Yeah, you have to. So this is Philip Jeffrey's silver leaf wallpaper. You could silver leaf it for a lot more money, but we chose to paper. Actually. Philip Jeffries is not super affordable. It's a luxury item. Yeah.

[Alice]

Coal and sun has a silver leaf like blocking where it looks like silver leaf, but it's a wallpaper. And that would be the affordable version of the Philip Jeffries, which is actual silver leaf.

[Jordan]

Yes.

[Alice]

And so there are different ways to get this look, but it's beautiful. It's that metallic sheen, especially on the barrel where you're going to get the hot. The light kind of hitting it at different spots I think is like what makes us so stunning. It's just you get the arcuation with the silver leaf popping with that light. It's good.

[Jordan]

Yeah. So good. Philip Jeffries also does this in gold. A gold leaf as well. Yeah, if you need that.

[Alice]

It's stunning. It's so pretty.

[Jordan]

Yeah, so pretty. Also kind of a silvered one is this grass cloth from Thiebaud Yeah. Thibault is spelled T H I B A U T. And Thiebaud's a more affordable paper line within our own library. A lot of professionals use it and they do great grass cloths.

[Alice]

They have like several books and they're called their texture books. And some of them, you know, are like the real grass cloths, real silks, things like that. But then they also have other ones that like are vinyl versions of that for like bathrooms and things like that. But this one that we're looking at right here in this little girl's bedroom is one of our favorites. It's called like silver on brown is the colorway and it's a silver thread going on. Like it's this really pretty warm brown. But when you see it live in those combinations of colors, it looks very like pinky and blushy. When I remember when I first read that colorway, I'm like, surely that's wrong. It should be blush. But you look, you dissect it and you're like, it's really magical when you're getting into textures and grass claws and things because they're natural fibers. Everything else that we've been talking about thus far has been hand painted on some, but like more, you know, two dimensional printed. Yeah, you know, but this is an actual three dimensional woven and I think that that's what's so magical. And I love that Tebow is such a good resource for us because if we need to pull the price down, that's exactly where I go if I want a good product for a lower cost. So I think this is money. We've used this paper several times in several spaces and I think every time it shows up, it's so good.

[Jordan]

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[Alice]

Yes. This is one down also in Utah. But instead of doing it like everywhere, she's again, she's has English descent and she loves paneling. And so we're like, this will be really fun to do a paneling detail, but do the grass cloth within the panel. I think it's a really cool way to do it. We've done this on like interior, on doors, cabinetry, doors. We've grass cloth. The interior of that. I love doing it inside the panel just because it's a nice break. It gives this geometric rhythm, but then you get the texture of like you want to go pet it. It has that little bit of metallic sheen.

[Jordan]

Yeah. And also I have to say one practical tip about this is that you also aren't having the grass touch too close to the ground in case there is a spill. Because this one's a real grass, it's not a vinyl. Right? Yeah. And then you're breaking up the seams. So it's not seams touching seams. So this is kind of a practical application, but also a high end application because you're pairing it with paneling.

[Alice]

Exactly. Because majority of the time in a bathroom, like almost 100% of the time we're using a vinyl that looks like a grass cloth for the wipe ability and for the installation because that could get really, really tricky because I'm talking to our installer and with in bathrooms, it's like it is a big no, no. Especially when you're doing the whole thing down to the ground to do like an actual natural grass cloth or a silk, because they will show your fingerprints. And so they will also show other things that happen in a bathroom. Spills, splashes, whatever it is. And so like he, he was very specific. He's just like, people should know to try and just trust the vinyl look for their bathrooms at all costs.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Alice]

So anyway, but if you are paneling, it is nice because it sandwiches the seam and it just like it keeps it away from, you know, any of the splash zone. Really.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Sue]

Is it harder to cut? Like, did he say anything about like installation? Is installation more because.

[Alice]

Yeah, or it can be. We have some complex spaces that we're going to show you depending on the size and shape of the room. Depends on the complexity of the lay. I will say with, I think with the grass cloths is that like most of them are about 27 inch wide rules. Traditionally you're a 27 inch wide rule. And I like that. I like seeing the seam because then I know it's the real stuff. Sometimes you'll see like a printed one. They're like, there's no seams for like 72 inches. And I'm like, oh, that looks cheaper to me. You know, it looks like a sticker versus like an artistry panel where I get to like know that that's the real thing.

[Jordan]

You need to know your client though, because we have had people that are perfectionists where they feel like they're looking at an error. And so it's like literally no real way to flow match from grass to grass. Because you're, you're working with the natural fiber and I'm with Sue. My eye has been trained to be able to see the real thing and that you know the real thing when you see those edges come other and they're not, they're. Yeah, they're off a little bit because they're each their own individual constructed panel, you know, So I think it looks.

[Alice]

More expensive by hand.

[Jordan]

Yeah, totally hand stitched rather than machine made. So I don't know, there's. There is something that your eye can appreciate the real thing. But know your client and know yourself when you're trying to choose the right material. And I think Thiebaud is doing a nice job of vinyls. If you want something that does appear perfect and that you don't see the seams as much. Right.

[Alice]

Yeah. And Philip Jeffrey Freeze. They'll do anything in a vinyl as well. So if you like the look of something like in a lot of places with these texture wallpapers, they will have like an A counterpart that is a vinyl or a wipable surface that you can get with the same look. So look into that too. For wet zones. I think it's Smart.

[Jordan]

Such great advice.

[Alice]

But know the shape because even like where, speaking of seams, like you have a wall depending on where you start that you don't going to just like to start in one corner because there might be one centered panel that is going to go up and over the top if you're doing your ceiling. So you kind of have to do a lot of math dependent your space to know like where those seams are going to hit and match up with each other. Even though you're not matching a panel, you know, or a pattern, you're matching panels, you know more than that.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Sue]

And you don't want like a 6 inch panel somewhere. You're so you're gonna have to take some out of one on the other corner to make sure that the opposite looks, you know, I mean, has like a wide enough panel in it.

[Alice]

Yeah, yeah. It's like when you're laying tile, you map that out like where you're going to start it so that you have equal distances on the ends or something.

[Sue]

Right, exactly.

[Alice]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

Anyway, it's like we have to do tile drawings. You gotta do a wallpaper drawing.

[Alice]

And I think having a good wallpaper installer even for grass cloth, I know we've mentioned it on the mural and the pattern, you know that there's repeats and flow matching. But I think it's like equally important on the grass cloth just because. Just the room for error. I will say like people always ask like how much extra should I order? And a lot of times it's hard to say. Um, but he did say on a texture like a grass cloth, he's like always make sure you have at least one extra roll. You know, like you get a, you know, if they person installing, hopefully that they've accounted for some your waist and for like a little bit of extra just in case it like one comes in damage or something and we want to stay in the same die lot. But he's just, he's like, I always just like add one extra roll just for good measure. You know, if something happens in the future that the client's going to have an extra roll. So don't be too quick to try and return it because if something happens, you're going to be glad you have that. Yeah, yeah.

[Sue]

Grass cloths were, when I was ordering stuff for the design center that we had the biggest issue with D lots in grasscloth. So it was that. That could be a.

[Alice]

It's natural.

[Sue]

Yeah, could be a big difference. So.

[Jordan]

Yeah, good, good point. Another application similar to that bathroom with the Paneling is this primary suite in Dallas.

[Alice]

Yeah. I love grass cloth in a primary. I really do. We've done it a lot of times.

[Sue]

It's chill.

[Jordan]

It is chill. Yeah, yeah. And it also. Yeah, yeah. It's not a wet zone. It's usually a place where you're just gon come in and sleep or hang out. Kids aren't there. So it's kind of a luxury of a space and I think you can go for it.

[Alice]

Yeah. I will say just like for. If you are texture sensitive, make sure that anybody that's going to be living in the spaces or interacting with them knows how it feels. Most of the ones that we're doing are really quite refined, but I imagine that there are some that are scratchier than others. We have church buildings here and they have these really like. And they probably are meant to like repel people from leaning too long. Long. And they are like the scratchiest, worst like covering I've ever felt. Anyway, that'll be rare but just depending on where you're getting it from. Just make sure that you understand the texture and make sure that everybody that's going to be living in it like when they touch that or have interaction with it.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Alice]

That it's just not offensive. Yeah.

[Jordan]

Great.

[Alice]

Right.

[Jordan]

Good side note. This is one from Philip Jeffries. Any notes on that that we want to share?

[Alice]

No, it's just. It was a soft colorway. She wanted it to feel just again and just like a breath of air, you know, like nothing too much but definitely attended to and I think they hit it on the mark and then.

[Jordan]

The panel detail is just a click or two darker in paint color and sheen wise. Here we're like semi gloss, semi gloss on the paneling.

[Alice]

But then we actually lacquered the ceiling in that same color just to kind of again it's a different type of texture but definitely like adds to the room.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Alice]

Lifts the hood, I think.

[Jordan]

I think so too. Gives it a glassiness. It's a really nice counterbalance to the grass, I think.

[Alice]

So.

[Jordan]

Gorgeous.

[Alice]

So beautiful.

[Jordan]

Speaking of ceilings, another really nice application for grass cloth is on a ceiling. This is in a home office.

[Alice]

Yeah. There's a library here. We have a library. And then we also have the home office on opposite ends of the entry. And so we treated them in the same pink color and then I, we popped that grass cloth on the ceiling just. It was so high, but it just needed something. I didn't necessarily want it to be dark just because our like our ground was a little bit lighter. On both of these. And so it kind of helped to mirror some of, like, the temperature happening on the ground instead of feeling so cavernous, but intended to as well. So anyway, because a lot of the whole space was built ins or windows or a door opening, it didn't necessarily make sense to do wall coverings on the wall, but it was a really nice touch, I think, to do it on that ceiling that popped up and trimmed out.

[Jordan]

Yeah. So beautiful.

[Alice]

I love it. It's soft, but I feel like it's just a well detailed room or well detailed home that, like, addresses every plane.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Alice]

And just nothing was forgotten or missed.

[Jordan]

I love that. Two spaces here. This one is my own living room. This is pretty grass cloth by Thiebaud. It's called bronze. I remember the colorway. And I have to say, looking back at it, I really wish the ceiling were painted. Look at that room. I know. Yeah. This has been a decade that this room has been done. That last room, too, was at least a decade. Yeah. Old, right. Yeah. Because Nolan. Yeah.

[Alice]

Anyway, I was pregnant with Nolan when we designed that house. That's why we, like, refer to our children and the age of the home, because they grew at the house.

[Jordan]

Also, an interesting point is that, you know, like, we started talking about a couple episodes ago is that some interior designers are saying, oh, yeah, wallpaper is just now coming into fashion. And we're like, no, this has all been done, like, over a decade ago. Right. Well, we've. We've been in business 16 years and we've been doing wallpaper the whole time. Yeah. So anyway. But I do want to say, though, like, our eyes change and they see new things. And so if I could pay something forward right now to the listener, it would be. If you happen to be listening, looking at my living room, I think. I think that ceiling should be painted. And I need to go back and do that. I'm at the point now, though, where I'm ready to do something different to this room. And so I will address the ceiling in the next one because it does feel forgotten in a deeper, darker space. So that's fun. Another note. This is a space that's been.

[Alice]

We also experience things. Like, we see things, but we experience it. When you experience something as broad as, like, a full embodiment of, like, a texture on a wall or a wallpaper on the wall, you realize you're like, everything's so good that needs to be changed. Like, we need to do that ceiling because this feels so good. And like, I don't know, we're just. We're getting.

[Jordan]

You've seen a finished. A finished and completed ceiling and now you have eyes for it.

[Alice]

Yeah. This is our verbal design up. You guys get to hear it live here.

[Jordan]

Definitely. This is another fantastic. This is Philip Jeffries. It's a blackened grass cloth, has this.

[Alice]

Really cool striation and I think a.

[Jordan]

Larger scale grass too. So it feels. Yeah. Really designer. Really unapologetic black built ins here. I would love to see the ceiling treated here as well.

[Alice]

I would too.

[Jordan]

Yeah, I would too.

[Alice]

This was like a kind of a small entry into like a small. It wasn't a massive house. And I wonder if that's why we continued that white. You know, just because there wasn't a lot of like space in between the spaces. And so like, maybe if that was continuous, but I honestly, I wouldn't feel sad about it. Again, small, small homes with big design feel bigger.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Alice]

So I think hitting the ceiling on that would be a good idea.

[Jordan]

And this was probably a project that we did in like 2018 or 19, I would say, but really stunning. And everybody loves this project. It's a lot of fun.

[Alice]

Well, this is from our house of Kennedy.

[Jordan]

Yes. Fantastic. So I wanted to show you guys a couple of vinyl grass cloths because this is a more affordable solution. For those of you that have perfectionist clients or you're perfectionists, you can still achieve this look really fantastic for bathrooms and wet zones because they are scrubbable and if they do get water splash on it, you're not. You're not out of luck. Yeah, definitely. So this was. This is actually a primary suite.

[Alice]

Yeah, so this is a primary suite. But. But anyway, she just. She loves pattern on pattern and feeling on feeling. And so this was a feeling. You know, I think that's what a texture does. It gives a feeling back to the space with. Instead of just doing drywall painted. So yeah, obviously we picked the tile first and then we kind of like. And that's the thing about a texture. You can always add a texture. Say you were in a remodel and you did or a new building, like you have like the tile and everything is relatively new, but you were like a little afraid to put something on the walls because you just weren't ready to commit. But now you're live, you've lived in it and you want to do something. A grass cloth is a great thing to. There's. It's kind of like a paint color. There's so many different textures and stuff that can like get along with your existing Finishes, but give a real feeling and pulse back to the room. So I would say that that's a really easy plug in if you're wanting to do something different to your home.

[Jordan]

Great. This is another primary suite in our.

[Alice]

This is the Grand Tour estate.

[Jordan]

Grand Tour estate. And this is.

[Alice]

They love race cars, guys. They have the best car collection. That's why it's called the Grand Tour seat.

[Jordan]

Yeah. This is from Tebow. This is a vinyl. Vinyl. Is it not. Is it grass or is it more of a silk? A vinyl. Silk looking. It looks like fabric almost.

[Alice]

It's a more refined. It looks like a grass because it's supposed to feel kind of organic, but it's a tiny.

[Jordan]

A finer. Finer grade.

[Alice]

But yeah, but it was vinyl. So we took it all the way down to the countertop. I know some builders will be like, you have to add a backsplash. But anyway, it was vinyl. So we're like, we like the look of it going to the crotch right there anyway. But it's just so pretty. It's supposed it's a smaller space again. So wrapping the whole space in the grass cloth just made it feel really encompassing and enlarged. The space, I think just finished. It feels finished. It's a finishing touch.

[Jordan]

This is one of my all time favorite primary suites.

[Alice]

Me too.

[Jordan]

And the whole portfolio. I think it's genius. It's a great use of space for a small bathroom. And everything feels considered.

[Alice]

Yes.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Alice]

And it started, everybody. It started with what you might be living in right now for a 90s home that had the corner tube tub with the jetted tub like by the corner window. That's how that bathroom started. So if you haven't peeked at it, go to the Grand Tour estate and just like look at that. And like. Yeah. The utilization of space in that is perfection. Like the storage is good, the visuals are amazing. And yeah.

[Jordan]

Okay, let's talk about three other textures. Okay, we're gonna talk about silk, we're gonna talk about suede and we are going to talk about something the metallic. Yes. Looks like oil spilled. Intergalactic metallic oil spill. Okay, ready? Let's go with silk. Okay, so this is Philip Jeffries.

[Alice]

Oh, man.

[Jordan]

This is in a music room. Living room.

[Alice]

Like a music. Yeah, a music living room. Right off the entry.

[Jordan]

A double height ceiling with an oval. This is an oval shaped room.

[Alice]

Yeah. Cylindrical. I think it was around maybe perfectly round because like on the outside it kind of feels turrety.

[Jordan]

Just a really easy wallpaper situation, if you will. Not, not a straight line anywhere. Everything's curved.

[Alice]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Alice]

And so with this is like, the. Gosh, the Calculus Harvard of wallpaper installations. Like, he looked like Michelangelo trying to figure this out. And it took a long time for our installer to figure this out. We knew we liked. We had this. This was a remodel. And we knew that we wanted to have some depth on the ceiling, just to kind of pull it down and make it cozy. So we're like, oh, we have all this finished work. We'll just know. Do that, like, the rest of the entry. And then we'll, like, just get an easy, breezy texture for the top. It will be super easy. And it wasn't, but it paid out. And, like, now the client can say it's one of her favorite spaces, as is mine. I think one of the best installations we've ever done. But I will say when you are. When I was talking to the installer specifically about this job, I was like, is there a way to, like, measure grass cloth when you're trying to order it? It's like a square footage thing. And he, like, stopped me. He's like, absolutely not. It's not a per square foot thing. It depends on the space, the shape of the space, and the geometry of, like, what's going on. Because this project took us about five times as much wallpaper as you think it would, because as it would for.

[Sue]

Like, the square footage, if you just.

[Alice]

Yeah, the waist. The waist was, like, probably well over 50% just because of the pie shape that he had to create to. To make this radio, you know, action happen. And so. But it's. It's like the celestial kingdom in there, you guys. It's so pretty. So you look up and it is. Yeah, it's.

[Sue]

It's a feat how many guys, like, installed that.

[Alice]

Like, I feel like he only, like, he has guys, but I don't think he let anyone else touch this, really.

[Jordan]

And he was there forever days.

[Alice]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

I don't know. It was Philip Jeffrey Stardust silk. It's kind of a bronze color for those of you just listening. And because it's a circular ceiling, it looks like a spider web, the way that they installed it in the striae. And it's probably. I don't even know how many wedges he had to cut to make this, like, 40, 30. It's wild.

[Alice]

I will say when I watch is when he's installing and we get the pleasure of, like, going to wash the installation. Like, he has, like, a proper installer. Like, his table cut, cutting, you know, on site on site. It's not like they're just trying to throw it up and. Because some will try and trim it on the wall, which is a big mistake. He said, you know, just, like, to get the actual seams correct, like, you need to do your math beforehand. You need to be cutting on a table, and you need to be, you know, if it needs to be soaked or if it needs. There's so many different types of treatment per the paper. They're so specific. Especially when you're doing an intense installation like this. Just make sure you have someone that's reputable and good that will do it the right way and not waste your money.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Alice]

Because it's a lot of money.

[Jordan]

Extraordinary.

[Alice]

Yeah, but it's. It looks it.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Alice]

It's stunning.

[Jordan]

So pretty. If you want a closer look at that, that's on the portfolio under Corner Canyon. Corner Canyon, Yeah. That ceiling is just bananas.

[Alice]

It's magnificent.

[Jordan]

Yes. This is a project also in Utah, actually, up in the mountains. This is Heber City. And the primary bedroom here that you're looking at is suede wallpaper. And this is by Philip Jeffries, and it's this dark brown color. And it's one of those where you just do want to touch the walls. It's so incredible.

[Alice]

Semi sweet, like, just.

[Jordan]

Yeah. And it's not real. It's not real leather. Right. It's just called suede. It's some sort of fabric.

[Alice]

Yeah. It feels very Ralph Laureny.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Alice]

I just love it. This is. That one is Philip Jeffries.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Alice]

But it's. It's fun to look back at this because, like, I know, like, chocolate and brown is like having, like, this moment the last couple years, but this was done quite a while ago, and, like, I love it just as much today as we did it then.

[Jordan]

I do love a dark primary suite, too. I feel like you sleep better. I'm also a blackout blinds girl, so this just adds to that whole feeling of rest. Yeah.

[Alice]

Like, your temperature calms down, like, pulls down completely, and then you can brighten up a little bit in your bathroom. But I love. I love this room.

[Jordan]

So stunning. Should we talk about metallics?

[Alice]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

Metallic oil spill. Galactica.

[Alice]

Yes.

[Jordan]

Philip Jeffries.

[Alice]

I'll say. If you want. If you are, like, a little bit more glamming. Let's see. This client is. She likes. She likes a polished marble. She likes, you know, things to shine a little bit more.

[Jordan]

Say no more than polished marble. You had me apartment, you know. Yeah.

[Alice]

You know the girl. But, yeah, we saw this one from Philip Jeffrey. And it's actually. It's a scene, but it's so modeled that it feels like a texture, which is why we thought it best fit in this category.

[Jordan]

You know that those of you listening, you know when you see oil in water after it rains, how it's like, iridescent. To me, it feels like an oil spill in water, but the ground is like a blackened navy ish. And then you see this iridescent, somehow rainbowy cloud situation floating in it somehow. It's ridiculously extraordinary. And you want to just be like, can I use your bathroom again? I want to go in there and feel that way.

[Alice]

Like, be dipped in the bucket of like, whatever that is. It's so good.

[Jordan]

Yeah, it's stunning. Philip Jeffries, tippity top.

[Alice]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

It's expensive.

[Alice]

Yeah. Top shelf.

[Jordan]

Primo ballerina. If you want to blow your own mind as a designer and your clients minds, I would go here first. If you want to try and reverse out and not spend that much money, I think Tebow does a really good job with textures. Who else would you say those are.

[Alice]

The two that we use the very most. We use Philip Jeffries a lot if they can afford it. And then, like, for secondary spaces, we'll use Tebow. Or if they just need to, like, pull the price down, like, we'll find a good option.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Alice]

I remember, like, you because you end up using Tebow and, like, in your bronze in the living room. But you started with a Phillip Jeffries horse hair.

[Jordan]

I did.

[Alice]

And you loved. And you still love it. You still talk about it. It's the horse hair that got away.

[Jordan]

It is.

[Alice]

And it. But like, I have no doubt that you'll do that someday somewhere.

[Jordan]

Oh, please. Bless you. Yeah, yeah. I also did a Philip. No, I also did a Tebow. It looks like raw silk in my powder bath, and it's vinyl, so that it's scrubbable and it's pretty. It's kind of a. Kind of a nickel y silvery color.

[Alice]

Feels warm still.

[Jordan]

It's pretty. I'm mad. It's not a color, but I also built 10 years ago and, like, grays and, you know, that sort of thing was happening. So it felt like a really good deep neutral. And I'm like, why did I not just use a color? Guys, let this be a lesson to all of you. Just if you're going to do a special place in a wallpaper, don't go neutral. You want to feel something.

[Alice]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I will say when. Sometimes when people come to Alice Lane, I'll take them on a bathroom tour because I think our bathrooms are so fun. And our favorite bathroom, I think collectively is the one with like, it's like this deep, coppery, Goldie grass cloth. That's. Anyway, it's just my favorite. There's a white Wayne Scody.

[Jordan]

Oh, you know what's magic about that one?

[Alice]

Tell me.

[Jordan]

It has a black ground. As a black ground. And then it's blonde grass over the top in the depth. And it's. The threadiness is irregular enough. It just looks so expensive. Rich and Ralphie. It's really pretty.

[Alice]

And we went. That was that Tebow?

[Jordan]

I think it's Tebow, yeah. And we went to order it. It was no longer. It was discontinued. And we're like, how much do you have left? And they had the right amount that we needed, but we were like, should we not do it? Because it's in our public bathroom for our customers to use and they might be interested. And I couldn't. My eyes couldn't see anything after that. It was like, this is the only one for me. So we just bought the very last of it in the world and did it anyway.

[Sue]

That's awesome. I didn't know that.

[Jordan]

But that's how you should feel. That's how you should feel about your paper. If you're doing it, you can't unsee it. Yeah, yeah.

[Alice]

You sleep on it and you wake up thinking about it.

[Sue]

That's the one.

[Jordan]

Yeah. It's like, guys, it's like. It's like trying to find your wedding dress is trying to find your wallpaper for your powder bath.

[Sue]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

Yeah. Yep. Yeah.

[Alice]

Cost us as much.

[Jordan]

Oh, man, you're not joking. That is so true. Oh, my gosh, you guys, this series has been so fun. Thank you, Krista, for your question that really inspired not one, but three episodes. I hope this answers your question. If any of you guys have an idea or a topic for Dear Alice, please email us at Dear alice, alice lane home.com and those of you listening, we have a special code for listeners. If you want to shop the online store, it is Dear Alice 20.

[Sue]

Yep.

[Alice]

That we always look at. Corey. We're just like, email.

[Jordan]

I think it's so fun to see the dear Alice 20 codes that come in because then I'm like, they're a.

[Sue]

Podcast listener, so they're our homies.

[Jordan]

Yeah, they are. Yeah.

[Alice]

They look at like that. We're just like, oh, what if someone bought one of the hotets? It's just like all of our little children going out into the world. And, like, our parents are looking at it at night.

[Jordan]

Little baby entrepreneurs are like, we sold one. That's so exciting. Yeah. It's just fun, though, because, like, we developed our own product. And so when people adopt it, if you will, it's just, it's really fun that you guys are living with these things that we were in creation over.

[Sue]

And that we believe in. You believe in it. Yeah.

[Jordan]

We sweat over the quality and the details, and it's just, it's never not going to be a thrill, you know?

[Sue]

So true.

[Jordan]

Anyway, go get yourself something real nice with dear Alice, 20. Love you guys. Thank you for listening and we will catch you next time. Hey, thanks for listening. If you like our show, please leave a five star rating.