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Dear Movies, I Love You
As Always, A F*cking Pleasure
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For the final episode of I Saw What You Did, Millie and Danielle discuss FASTER, PUSSYCAT! KILL! KILL! (1965) and ALIEN (1979), their recent live show, the history of the podcast, and making beets.
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Millie De Jericho
Foreign. Hey, everybody. Welcome to the final episode of I Saw what yout Did. My name is Millie De Jericho.
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Danielle Henderson
I'm Danielle Henderson.
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Millie De Jericho
And this is gonna be the last time I'm gonna have to figure something out to say in this part.
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Danielle Henderson
Right. Is this it?
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Millie De Jericho
Yeah.
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Danielle Henderson
The last thing is I gotta figure out what to say. Yeah, I love that.
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Millie De Jericho
I know. I don't, Yeah. I don't know. Like, this is the last episode and, you know, we're, I don't know. I don't even know what to, what to say. I'm feeling feelings, you know that.
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Danielle Henderson
Yeah, of course we are. And we're also. We just, we did our live show a couple weeks ago, our first and only live show, which is.
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Millie De Jericho
I think I said grand opening, grand.
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Danielle Henderson
Closing, which, like, on the one hand, what a move. Like, it's a boss move, but on the other hand. What a weird move.
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Millie De Jericho
What a weird move. Yeah, no, it's, it's good.
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Danielle Henderson
Right?
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Millie De Jericho
Like, I feel like we talked about this on the episode when we announced that we were leaving. You know, we've talked about this in the subsequent episodes up until now. But, like, we're in a good place.
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Danielle Henderson
Yeah.
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Millie De Jericho
You know, like, I think it would be very sad if we were both, like, depressed, fighting, hating everything. You know, I, I, I, I'm really glad that, you know, you know, we're in a good place for this to happen because I think it just makes it, you know, it's, it's always going to be sad, but I think it just makes it easier and more hopeful. Right. Absolutely. We have stuff to look forward to and, you know, and our listeners can.
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Danielle Henderson
Still support us and, and be part of that. That's also what's, what's great is that, you know, we don't have to lose the community that we built, the connections that we have to people. Yeah. Because we're not going anywhere. We will, as friends, do things in the future. Of course. Yeah. And I think it's just, it's, it's a, it was a really beautiful thing that we've done to pat ourselves on the back just a little bit. We entered a space that is, you know, talking, discussing films is predominantly academic, predominantly siloed and predominantly white dudes. And we just kind of brought people to a different. Just to realize there's a different way to enter that space, so. And we did, like, over 200 episodes, man. If you include the bonuses. Yeah, we did a lot. So I just, I feel like we're ending on a high note because we're proud of ourselves. And that's okay to be proud of yourself. It's okay for us to just be happy with what we've done. I know that it's easy to take things for granted and to think nothing's gonna ever change. But change is good. Yeah, change is really good. And I think we both always push forward in our own lives knowing that we're just always trying to do the best we can with everything that we do. So sometimes that means things change. But it's not a bad feeling. I think I'd feel bad if I was like, man, we never got to talk about that movie or this movie or Millie doesn't like me or nobody. I don't feel that at all. I feel like it brought us closer as friends. As we've said, when we, we ended this, announced that we were ending the show. And that's kind of a cool thing to like run a business with a friend. And everyone says, don't do it, but I say the exact opposite. Do it, but just make sure you're actually able to communicate to your friend and they will. You'll take care of each other.
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Millie De Jericho
Yeah, I mean, I, I feel the same way. I mean, it is so hard to. That's my dog barking, by the way. I think if you hear, if you hear my dog barking, it's because she's 14 years old and she's just staring out a window barking at nothing. But, you know. Yes. I think going into business with friends, even creatively collaborating with friends, is ultimately like, it's a little bit of a gamble, not going to lie. I mean, look at all of the bands that have been created and friendships and relationships that have been destroyed in the wake of it, you know, and, you know, I, I think that it was, for the most part, again, we came out of this pretty unscathed as friends. We were friends before we came into it. You know, we're still friends. I think we're better friends after going through this. So I feel. You feel like a little bit of a war buddy now, which is great, definitely. But you know, we, we. It wasn't always super easy. I mean, there were times we had rough, rough going. You know, I think there was sort of a learning process with how this was gonna work. Certainly it was a lot of work. I mean, that was, I think the most stressful part of it for us was that we were usually working full time jobs while we did this podcast and also doing creative projects and stuff for income. So it was like both of us were juggling a million Trillion things. And especially during the period where, you know, you were showrunning, your grandmother was in the house, and you were doing her care. I mean, it was not easy for you to come to the podcast and have to basically watch two movies a week and have to be on microphone and present a film. And I felt very sensitive towards that because I know how it feels to be just completely inundated with stuff. And you just handled it. We got through it. We handled it well. You handled it well. And, you know, we just. I think. Yeah. I mean, it was truly a journey in that way for us.
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Danielle Henderson
It really. It really. And thank you for saying that, because it really was. And it's. And it's. I respect what I learned from. From that and from you. You know, I really think that that's something I try not to take for granted, is that, you know, yeah, things get hard. But what am I learning after this? Or what, you know, kind of in retrospect, what was good about this, what got me through? And I learned a lot. I learned a lot about myself. I learned a lot about what I'm capable of. I learned a lot about, you know, how to communicate my needs, which doesn't come easy for people who, you know, I wasn't raised to do that, so it doesn't come easy. And, yeah, just, like, I think we have a lot to be proud of. I think we. I do feel like I'm a better person for having done this podcast.
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Millie De Jericho
I do, too. I feel that way as well. I really. I mean, I said this at the live show, so if you were there, you're gonna hear it again. Sorry. But, you know, this podcast was my first time that I was doing anything on my own in that way. Right. Because the story is that, you know, Karen Kilgariff, obviously one of our esteemed queens, our boss here at. Exactly. Right. You know, she approached me and asked me if I wanted to pitch a film podcast. And I was. I mean, honestly, I was shocked because I just thought, oh, can I do that? Like, do I have the authority to do something on my own? Because I had been affiliated with TCM for so long. Right, right. And in that. In that structure, you feel. And I started at TCM when I was in my early 20s. Like, early. You know, I was there. I started when I was 23. You know, I had been out of film school for a couple years, and I was doing things, but I wasn't. You know, this was my first job. And, you know, in a way, sometimes people feel like, oh, well, they Made me, quote, unquote, they made me who I am. And everything that I do has to be kind of in service to this per, you know, this place, this structure and can I do things on my own? Can I go out side of it? Do I own what I know? Do I own, you know, my thoughts and my feelings about film? And so it was this moment where, you know, I was having imposter syndrome. And that's something that I struggle with even to this day. I do, you know, have a problem with it and I know we both do and have. I'm just so thankful that you were able and willing to do that with me, to jump with me, because, you know, I couldn't have thought of anybody else but you to do it. You know, we had had such a, you know, we had such a vibe when we were both living in la when we pitched the podcast. We were going to movies all the time and everything. So we had already had that almost kind of like a podcast that wasn't being recorded. Right?
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Danielle Henderson
Absolutely. Like just for hours after every movie either is sitting at El Coyote or at a restaurant somewhere or a bar and just. Or in the car and just talking for like an hour and a half. Which is our podcast.
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Millie De Jericho
Yeah. Oh, of course. And. And it was like that thing where I knew you were so busy because you were living and working in la and, you know, you didn't have to do it. Like, you didn't have to do it. You could have been like, I'm too busy for this. This is, you know, whatever. Like, I don't really have the time or the interest and. Cause it was gonna be a big endeavor and it was also gonna put us both like in like forward facing in a way that I think we hadn't been really, in a specific way. We hadn't been like a, you know, like, we didn't, you know, we had to basically come on mic and talk about ourselves every week, multiple times a week sometimes. And that's, that's a big ask for someone, especially if they're more introverted or more, you know, less sort of willing to talk about their personal lives or whatever. So I'm just very thankful that you were there because I don't think I would have been able to do it without you.
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Danielle Henderson
Oh, well, this was a no brainer to me. It was a no brainer to me and I'm glad you asked. And I was honored to be asked and I thought we could really do something cool. And we did. We did exactly what I thought we could do. Which is just be ourselves and be brilliant and smart and funny and cool and have wide reaching conversations about things that we are interested in. And so I'm glad that I was able to do that with you and that we were able to do that at all. It didn't feel like work in that way. Anytime we sit down to record, that part does not feel like work. It just feels like, how fun and great is this that I get to just cut up with a friend about things that matter to me? And I. Yeah, I love that. No, no, I just. I just really love that we got to. To do that. So I don't want anyone to think like the work of this was a bad thing because I think I was. I was up to the challenge. I definitely said yes because I wanted to do this. And I'm glad that we did because I think that, you know, we didn't really even know what it could be or, or where we were really headed, but we found our groove. And I think, again, just showing up and being able to be yourself is a gift that a lot of places don't offer to people. You don't get that in work or in life very often. So.
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Millie De Jericho
Yeah, and you're right in that. I feel like when we first started, like, I felt like there has been an evolution of the show and maybe what people got from the show over time. And I think it has everything to do with the way in which you and I had decided that we were going to talk about these movies. Like every. There's a million film podcasts, right? And they're all, you know, basically hosted by various people who know about movies. And they all have different tones. Right. Like a lot of times it's about like one director or like a genre, but then it's also just people who are like, stating facts and figures about movies in the movie industry and their thoughts. I think that we decided, and maybe it was conscious, but a little unconscious too. We just, I think, really drilled into the emotional intelligence of who we are as people and we brought that to the podcast. Like, we talked about film in a different way, I feel. And as somebody who had listened to film podcasts before starting one, I think we were doing something different and we were, you know, like, there wasn't really. At the time that we started, there wasn't really film podcasts that were just like, really going hard and. And deep into like, the characters of films and like what and how these characters are formed. And I. It has. I think it has everything to do with you being a Writer. I think that was a very natural entry point. But it was like, you know, no one was out here talking about, you know, the motivations of, you know, Laura Dern in Smooth Talk. Like, nobody was, like, speaking about films through our specific experiences. And I'm so proud of that. Like, I'm so proud that we decided not to be, like, let's talk about box office numbers for the Scorsese project. We decided to do it in a different way. And I think our listeners really appreciated that.
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Danielle Henderson
And it was. It was nice to bring film, older films to people and not necessarily focus on it in a specific way. Like, we're only doing films from this decade or to make it, like you said, a genre focus. I just really think that at the beginning, it was important to us that we make people feel or remember that films are for everyone, which is why we covered a wide range of movies on this podcast, because we cover things that we are interested in and we watch a lot of movies and we like a lot of movies and they cross a lot of different barriers and they cross a lot of different genres. But that was kind of the focus. It was to bring older films so we weren't tied to the yoke of only talking about Marvel, only talking about numbers, only talking about, you know, how this historically fits into things. I think we gave ourselves a lot of freedom by talking about films that had kind of already been established and out there that we could let people find or. And just enjoy the. Enjoy the discussion. But that was really different as well, is that we weren't coming to it. And saying the way that we chose to discuss films was really also heavily influenced by the types of films we were discussion, which are older movies. And I just, I like that. I like reminding people that movies are. Movies can be your friend. You can come back to them again and again. You can find something old that you watch for the first time that changes your whole focus and changes your life in some way. And it's really the. For me, also, the thrust of art and engaging with any art or anything artistic is kind of finding a place for it in your own life. So I think we did a good job of showing people that there's lots of different ways to access movies that can make you feel like you're part of something, like you're part of a wider community, that you can talk about it in a way that feels personal to you. You. You could talk about it in a wider way, but there's a way in for everybody. So that feels really good. That feels really good. And I also think that it's. We would be remiss to not mention, and hopefully bring on the mic here, our Wonderful producer, Casey O'Brien. Casey O'Rean. Hello. Because there's something that. Hello.
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Millie De Jericho
Casey's like, what do you. What? What, What?
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Danielle Henderson
He's like, I'm working. But there is something that is truly special about Casey. There's lots of things that are truly special about Casey. But one thing that I think was just a really beautiful evolution and helped us change our podcast for the better was knowing that we were working with someone who was. Also became our friend, who we genuinely like and respect and love, who's so knowledgeable and really was. Really had our back in terms of how to make the show sound the way we wanted it to sound, how to make it feel the way we wanted it to feel, how to manage our schedules when they became overwhelming, when they became, you know, a little bit out of focus, because everything in our lives was changing, even right now. Like, I. I moved to LA three weeks ago. Like, I moved to LA a few weeks ago and was like, hey, so I don't know how we're gonna record the last few episodes, but I'm not gonna be at home. And he figure it out. And was just always, you know, in a technical sense, like, always there for us, and made this a very easy process, which it wasn't in the beginning. We kind of stumbled through some different iterations that were not as easy for us. You know, it didn't really always make us the focus, and it was hard to record in that way. But Casey really, just. When Casey came into our lives, everything brightened. Everything got better. And a lot of that is because he's just a consummate professional, truly skilled. Truly skilled at what he does, but also just a really fun and good and wonderful person. So it's nice that we got to work with someone who benefited our show just by being themselves.
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Casey O'Brien
Aw, thanks, Danielle. That's so nice. I. I've loved working on this show. It's been so much fun. I mean, sometimes, you know, in these sort of, like, professional situations where you're, like, paired up, I mean, it's kind of like getting a, you know, random roommate your freshman year of college. It's like, it could be, like, horrible, the worst thing ever, or it can be, like, a really great match, and you guys. You somehow end up friends forever, you know? So I. I think it's the latter in that situation. And it's been just so fun to become friends with you both and to work on this show. And I think we. It's really been so much fun, and I really look forward to recording it every week. And it's just been. It's really been an honor to be the producer of this show, and it's been an honor to get to know both of you better. And so thank you both for allowing, you know, allowing me to be a part of this show and allowing me to have input on this show, because that's not always guaranteed, you know, and so I really appreciate that, and I have felt very supported by both of you as well. So thank you.
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Danielle Henderson
Thank you, Casey. That's wild. It's wild to me to envision a scenario where you're not. Your input is not included. Your skills like that. You are not included in something because, again, you're so good at this, but you're just good at a lot of. And you're good at being a person, and you're just. You have a great demeanor, and you're super kind and thoughtful. Very, very thoughtful. We'll remind you at the end of the show as well. But I want to say that I know that we've hinted in the social media feeds and Millie has discussed this at the live show, that she is working on something else. Another. Another podcast that Casey will hopefully be part of. Yes. So do not unsubscribe from. Oh, I'll be a part of this feed. Yeah, I'll be there. I'm.
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Millie De Jericho
Oh, no. I desperately need you.
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Danielle Henderson
But donut. Don't unsubscribe from the. Don't use social media.
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Casey O'Brien
Exactly. Don't unsubscribe just because this will be the. This feed will be where that show will live, and that way it'll kind of. I kind of like it because it's like it can. Keeps alive the legacy of. I saw what you did. While we move into this new, very different show. But it's kind of like, you know, Millie and Danielle's channel that they start. It's like its own channel. I kind of like thinking of it that way. And so, like, we'll stay subscribed. Don't, you know, the second this episode is over, don't go to your podcatcher and hit unsubscribe. Stay subscribed so you can keep listening to, you know, Millie's new show. So.
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Danielle Henderson
Yeah. And I'm so excited. I'm so. Not only so excited, but so supportive and really looking forward to seeing what you're.
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Casey O'Brien
Well, you're gonna be on it, too.
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Millie De Jericho
We will.
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Casey O'Brien
We will be on it.
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Danielle Henderson
That's the real like it or not part, is I'm just gonna show up on the Zoom on Mike and they'll be like, what, does she do it?
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Casey O'Brien
Who sent Danielle the Zoom? How did she get the Zoom invite?
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Danielle Henderson
That's how I learned to become a hacker, is just to get the Zoom link for you.
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Millie De Jericho
That's because we're going to still use the slack for the next 20 years. Like, we're just going to be like our little hang pad.
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Danielle Henderson
It's our hang zone.
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Millie De Jericho
Yeah, yeah. No, I'm. I'm really excited about the possibility of continuing doing a film podcast and just. And keeping it in the family. You know what I'm saying? In the club, we're all famous, right? We've heard this a million times on TikTok. But I. I'm so excited about our futures. Like, all of us, right? Because it's like, you know, yes, Casey and I, our goal is to continue working together. Doing a film podcast in the same feed. Don't unsubscribe. But that Danielle is also flourishing right now. Right. And that, you know, the reason why we're both kind of stepping away from. I saw what you did. Is because it's good things. Like, it's not. Like, again, I want to reiterate, like, it's not. We're not in a bad place. Like, your career is taking off and it's been going for a long time, but now you're just like, at this point where you're, like, working a bunch, you're writing books, you wrote a fucking screenplay. Like, you actually wrote a whole ass screenplay, you know, which I've read and is very funny. Thank you.
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Danielle Henderson
And I'm writing another book.
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Millie De Jericho
I'm going to tell you why it's funny, because it's very personal to. It's like, you know, when you got a really good inside joke and you're in on it, that's what it's like. I love it.
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Danielle Henderson
If it gets made, I will tell the story. But yeah, if not, it'll just be a fun thing that we have to share, too. But it is. It is something I've learned from both of you and that again, I appreciate about the whole experience of this podcast is that I've really learned how to prioritize things and how to lean into my own life. Because I think in the way that you weren't sure that you could carry a podcast on your own when we first started, you were kind of more tied to a more corporate way of doing things. And that was kind of an identity that you really held onto. I really don't ever consider myself as someone who is useful in the world or, you know, that I'm bringing anything to the table that people can latch onto. And, you know, when my book came out, I didn't do a book tour, so I didn't. It was, you know, the middle of lockdown. I just have never really been out there as a forward facing person. So I've had to learn how to prioritize things in a way that I can do that and feel good about it and also still have the privacy that I need. And you guys were both really great at helping me protect that and teaching me how to do that and talking to me about how to do that. And so I think it's, you know, my goal was a couple of months ago, I was like, I'm ending the podcast and then I'm disappearing forever. You will not see me on social media. Goodbye. But now I kind of feel like, no, I can still maintain my time and my creative life and my privacy and the things that I need to be a person, but it actually feels good and connective to meet people who are into what you do. Yes. And that you can build a community there too. I think I just forgot somewhere along the way that I could. It's possible for me to also be part of the community in that way. So thank you both for. For showing me that as well.
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Millie De Jericho
Well, and like that. Sorry if you didn't go to the live show. It was one of the greatest times that I've had a banger. You missed a banger. So for the majority of you that weren't there, including Casey.
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Casey O'Brien
I know, sorry.
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Millie De Jericho
Sorry. But part of the joy of that evening was just seeing you interact with our fans and they were fucking loving you. Like, one of my friends texted me while I was. We were up there on stage. I say staged. We were just in director's chairs on the flat ground. It wasn't a stage. But one of my friends texted me and was like, people were gasping when y'all walked out from behind the door or whatever we were at. And I was like, what? Like, that is so strange to hear. But then I was like, oh, well, duh. And then you get on stage and you see like all of the funny that Danielle is saying. People were like, she had these eaten out of her hands. She was so funny and telling stories about the, you know, whatever, like all the. All these things. And I just was sitting there, like, I felt like the proud friend That I was just like nodding, being like, hell yeah. Hell yeah. This is exactly what I want. I'm like, I want to see this. And I hope that you felt the love. And it felt like love. The entire evening felt like love. So I'm just.
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Danielle Henderson
It felt like love in a very hard week to have to feel love.
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Millie De Jericho
Exactly.
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Danielle Henderson
And my favorite moment, which Casey. Casey knows this intimately. We have had, like, the things we have cut from this show could be its own podcast. The calls get from Danielle Casey, long voice memos. The panic. The panic. I'm thinking of one episode in particular where I panicked and I was like, oh my God, I saw like 10 text messages in a row. And I'm like, I know he has a baby. I know this might I have to tell you have to cut this tomorrow. Tomorrow. But we were talking at one point and Millie said she was up late at night making beats. And I was like, oh, what are you doing with the beets? Like, are you stewing them? Are you like growing them? And she was like, no, like, music beats, you fucking idiot. But it encapsulated both of our personalities so specifically. And I could not stop laughing even just thinking about it.
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Millie De Jericho
I laughed so hard that I was crying. I took my glasses off, like, on stage. Like, I was basically like, she thought I meant beets, the vegetable.
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Danielle Henderson
Like red beets.
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Millie De Jericho
Like, yeah, she thought I was making them, like canning them or something. And I was like, no, I'm making beats. Like I'm, you know, like a rapper or something. And she was like, the confusion of it was so genuine. And we were laughing, so. And everybody in the audience was laughing because they were like, this is typical shit. Like, this is typical.
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Danielle Henderson
But it's great because it was again, like, this is something that happens to us constantly. It is just encapsulating who we are. And Casey helped us bring. Bring that out of ourselves and has been on the receiving end of so much of that confusion and craziness and hilarity.
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Millie De Jericho
Yeah.
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Danielle Henderson
And I really feel like we built something together which is also important to me that it's not just like, I know that Casey's not a forward facing part of this, this podcast, but we built this podcast together. I feel like as soon as he, he arrived, we were building something together. So it'll be missed. It'll all be missed. But we're. We still are friends and love each other and we'll work on things and do were ever together. Because it's just you don't want to get rid of when you find people who are good that you can work with. Well, you don't want to get rid of that.
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Millie De Jericho
Yeah. In this economy, if you find good people that you can work with and creative, be creative with, don't lose them. Keep them.
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Danielle Henderson
Do not. But thank you, Casey, specifically, for everything.
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Casey O'Brien
Well, thank you guys, both. I really. This has just been a really special show. And I, I said this before we started recording, but, like, the fact that it's kind of. We're leaving at the high point, it just feels like it live. It's going to live on. And it is. You know, it's like, like you said, you're ending because of positivity, not because Millie's in jail or something.
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Danielle Henderson
You know.
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Millie De Jericho
Like, I would like, I love how I would be the one to be in jail after everything. 240 episodes of Danielle. I'm. I'm going to jail.
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Danielle Henderson
That's how it works. It's never the one you think.
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Casey O'Brien
It's never the one you think it is. It's.
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Danielle Henderson
Never the one you think. But thank you so much for being part of this and also thank you truly. Like, we have to take a minute to truly thank Karen and Georgia. Karen Kilgariff came to Millie with the idea, but Georgia Hardstark was also right there in support of us. And we're just like, yeah, go do your thing. And I think again, that's a really special and wonderful creative and thoughtful creative brain to have is to just say, yeah, let's hire great people and let them do their thing. So thank you to Karen and Georgia and everyone at exactly right. There are so many people that have worked on this show in some capacity over the four years, and we're just, you know, thankful to all of you for your support and your generosity. And it, it really is. It's meaningful to us to have been able to work with you. So thank you.
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Millie De Jericho
Yes. Daniel Kramer. Our other ep, Anneliese Nelson, Alexis Amorosi, Lauren Brown. Very early days. I mean, Tom Bryfogle. Garrett, who did the artwork. Steven.
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Danielle Henderson
Steven Ray Morris, pilot, early engineer of the show. Hannah, everyone.
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Millie De Jericho
Hannah Aaron Brown.
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Danielle Henderson
Aaron Brown, absolute champion. Just a really. A great amount of great people working with and for. Exactly right. Have really helped us and we are grateful for it. So thank you. Finally, last but definitely not least, I think we have to thank our listeners.
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Millie De Jericho
Yes.
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Danielle Henderson
Our listeners are incredibly wonderful people. And you are all so frank with us. And even though we're not able to always directly respond to emails, reviews, comments on social media, you're part of why we did this. And how we did this and it was your feedback and your being part of building a little community with us was really a delight.
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Millie De Jericho
Yeah, I gotta say, it's. I have done forward facing, ish type of stuff in the past. I mean, I did a few podcasts before I did this one was just like a co host and run it. But I was on podcasts, I had done programming on a national television network and was always getting feedback from those things that a lot of it wasn't great. I have been through it when it comes to social media comments, Twitter, things like, you know, I've kind of have seen it all in a lot of ways. I feel I have to say that this podcast has. I have never received more positive comments in my life. Doing anything creative, forward facing, I gotta say, completely. Like, we always had incredible reviews, 4.9 the whole time. Yeah, we had an amazing rating on Apple. We had the best reviews, the best social media comments. We very rarely got negative feedback. And even when somebody was like, even if somebody would email me and be like, actually that movie wasn't directed. It was, with all due respect, ladies, I have, you know, it was like very, very respectful, you know, just. And if anything, it was people like really not wanting to have to correct anything, but they were like, gingerly like, I'm sorry, but that actually wasn't the 15th president of the United States or whatever. Everybody was so sweet. And the thing that I think was the most heartwarming, just for me personally, just knowing my personality of feeling like I always need and feel like I need to be seen or I want that. I think I really want that in life. I felt like our listeners saw us a lot and they got the jokes. They got the fucking jokes, which is so hard to do when. When you are in a place where you say something like random and somebody brings it back like a year and a half later and be like, remember that thing that you said that was so crazy? Like, I remember it and I love it and I want to put it on a pillow, you know, or whatever. I mean, that is magic. That is fucking magic. And I just am like, I just, again, I have to echo what Daniel has said. The listeners are so amazing, so funny, so smart. They came to this podcast and didn't even like movies, a lot of them. And they got into film because of us. They, you know, expanded their knowledge. They, they took a chance. And I just, I love that, to me, is the essence of why I love doing this podcast.
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Danielle Henderson
Cannot agree more. There are people who started degrees in film because they Listened to the show. There are people who've just truly changed their own lives.
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Millie De Jericho
Yeah.
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Danielle Henderson
And they did it. We didn't do it. They did it. But that we were encouraging or a part of that at all is unbelievable.
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Millie De Jericho
And that they were, like, comforted by our friendship.
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Danielle Henderson
Yeah.
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Millie De Jericho
Which means a lot. I mean, that really means a lot to us. So.
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Danielle Henderson
Yeah. Thank you all for being here so much. Thank you from the bottom of our hearts. Now, on that note, we do still have our last couple of movies and our last theme that nobody ever guessed. The entire time the show was running, nobody ever fully guessed the theme. A lot of you got close.
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Millie De Jericho
Yeah. But that was a game they would have never won.
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Danielle Henderson
That was a cruelty that I inflicted on people for having them have to guess every single word. Not just a general area. Yeah.
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Millie De Jericho
Every single word in the sentence that it. You know, I was like, they're never gonna get this, but God love it. Let's just pretend. Let's pretend that they could.
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Danielle Henderson
And it's every single word. The most really complicated, borderline insane theme you've ever heard. So this one is not that. This theme, our final theme, is actually really sweet.
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Millie De Jericho
Yeah.
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Danielle Henderson
Do you want to tell them what it is?
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Millie De Jericho
Sure. So our final theme for the final episode of I Saw what yout did is the movie that got us into movies.
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Danielle Henderson
Aw.
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Millie De Jericho
Yeah. And that is sweet. That's actually all you. You suggested it, and I thought, what a great idea to go out on because. Yeah, I mean, I think it would be really cool to talk about, like, that one movie that essentially just changed the trajectory of our lives. Our film lives, especially. And so, yeah, I think it's nice to go out on this kind of more personal note. Right.
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Danielle Henderson
And also. Yeah. And I was thinking also that it's personal, but why not end with the beginning? You know, let's end with the beginning. Because there should. I want there to be a feeling of. Yeah, we also had a movie that clicked the light on for us in some way in our lives. And maybe you'll find that if you go back and re. Listen to some old eps.
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Millie De Jericho
Yeah.
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Danielle Henderson
Or maybe you just keep pushing forward until you do find that. But I thought it would be something very nice and sweet about. Yeah, we're ending. But let's think about the beginning. What brought us to be the kind of people who would even make this podcast to begin with.
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Millie De Jericho
Yeah. And this is always such, like, I love knowing the answer to this question from the people that I like and love, because I feel. It makes me feel like I know them. Better, you know, where I'm like, what is the one movie? And I know it's such a, like, huge task to ask people that like movies to be like, what is the one movie that you loved and that got you into movies? I mean, it just feels like one of those big questions, like a dinner party question almost. But whenever somebody gives it thought and, like, and can express that in a way, it makes me feel like I know them a lot better. And that's why I was like, oh, this is sweet to go out on. Because then it makes me feel like I know your origin story. You know what I mean? In a lot of ways.
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Danielle Henderson
Absolutely. And especially your Phil. I mean both of them, for sure. But it is nice to know that, like, oh, this is the thing that, that really clicked for you and to be able to see, like, oh, yeah, I can get that. I get that from you. This makes sense.
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Millie De Jericho
Yeah.
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Danielle Henderson
Well, you are first.
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Millie De Jericho
I am. Oh, my God, I'm first. So my movie for our theme, the movies that got us into movies, is from 1965. It was written by Jack Moran, it was directed by Russ Meyer, and it's called Faster Pussycat, Kill Kill Jack and Jill. They make the mafia look like brownies. So, no, I don't know if anybody actually knows this, but for the past four years, I've been writing basically scripts for my movies for every episode.
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Danielle Henderson
Right. That is definitely also a difference between the two of us, personality wise, that Millie, if she wanted to, as soon as we end recording, could go into her own archive and publish 17 books based on the essay she's written about every movie she brought to the podcast. Whereas I just, like, wrote some notes and winged it. Yeah, but they both, but it, it, it worked for both of us. That's just our different styles, our different approaches. But you could legitimately publish volumes of text based on how much you wrote.
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Millie De Jericho
Yeah, no, I, I, I pretty much, a lot of times it was word for word. Like, I pretty much wrote everything I was gonna say, which sounds crazy because I said a lot of bullshit. So I can't believe that I prepared that a lot of that. There was, I think there was maybe one or two times where that wasn't the case. One of the times was when we were recording very early days, and I, we, I thought that I had your movie. Yeah, it was fame.
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Danielle Henderson
Right.
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Millie De Jericho
Remember, we both, like, we did Fame and Step up, and then I realized right before we pressed record that I didn't have Fame and I had Step up. And you were like, of course you do. Why did you think you had fame? And I'm like, I don't know. It was like Covid was raging. So I guess maybe I had, you know, pandemic brain. But I was like, that was one of the only times that I remember I completely winged it with no notes. But this is potentially the second time I didn't write anything for this. Cause I just felt like, you know what? Let me just riff and see what happens. So, last episode. So this movie, you know, we've done a Russ Meyer movie prior to this, we did beyond the Valley of the Dolls. So if you want to go back and hear a little bit about. I talk a lot about, like, Russ Meyer's sort of career and his entry into film, which was essentially through World War II. I mean, he was one of the directors that had taken advantage of this thing that they were offering in Hollywood, which is basically like training to become, you know, a World War II photographer out, you know, over there. And, you know, basically he kind of, you know, learned how to make films through that process and through the war and then came back and was just like, now I know how to make movies. And I also like big boobs. So this is an incredible experience for me because now I can just make really well made movies about the thing that I like.
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Danielle Henderson
Let's make this Twix bar of my life, movies and big boobs and see what happens.
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Millie De Jericho
And like I said in that episode about beyond the Valley of the Dolls, you know, we talked a lot about him being a filmmaker who was a man. A straight man, or was a straight man. He passed away. He died, actually, almost to the day, 20 years ago. I mean, it was in September, so it wasn't too far off. But we talked a lot about, in that episode about him being, you know, an exploitation filmmaker who. A straight man who was very interested in sex and nudity and female bodies, but didn't ever feel like, you know, sort of like gross, I guess, is the way to put it. And, I mean, there are films in his filmography that sort of maybe are a little bit more salacious and kind of, you know, hornier than others, for sure. But it was this movie that I think really kind of crystallized his sort of genuine love and appreciation for women.
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Danielle Henderson
Yeah.
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Millie De Jericho
And so I'll just tell you a little bit about my history of watching this film, which I might have talked about in a bonus episode briefly. But so when I was a freshman in film school at Georgia State University, this was like, 1997, 1996, 1997. I took a film class. And one of the professors that I had was this professor Eddie Von Mueller, who I feel like I've talked about before. He was kind of like one of several professors in the pro, the film program at GSU at that time. That was like, cool and interesting and was kind of like, you know, not one of these, like, stuffy film professors that was like teaching, you know, like montage editing. He was doing the. The basics. But then he was also incorporating a lot of his own films that he thought were interesting. And a lot of these films were in American independent cinema, foreign cinema, you know, anything that you would kind of consider like a cinephile type of film. And prior to this, like, when I was in high school, you know, I had. I wasn't really super raised on film. Both my parents were like, kind of classically not into film. But I was definitely a child of television and VHS era video store stuff. I really had to seek all that out on my own. And so when I got to college, it felt like, oh, here's this, like, very like, formalized educational place for me to really, like, soak in all the things that I want. Because back in those days when you were in high school, before the Internet, it was really hard to get stuff that you wanted to see. I talk about stories about how I would be talking to some friend of mine and be like, have you seen this weird, I don't know, kung fu movie or whatever? And then in order to actually want to see that movie, you would have to go to the craziest depths to get that movie. Whether it was looking at Fangoria magazine at Tower Records and then like writing down a PO box where you would like, send a fucking $50 check to get a VHS sent to you and.
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Danielle Henderson
Hope that they would send it to you, not just take your money and run.
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Millie De Jericho
Right, right, right. Yeah, there was a lot of, like, people who were. Who were doing like, dubbing of rare films or cult films or whatever. And it was that kind of thing where you're just like, well, like, godspeed, I hope my mom's checkbook works and I will get this VHS tape. But there was also video stores in town where I lived in Atlanta. There was also literally, like, I tell a story a lot about this guy that I used to buy videos from who was a bouncer at a strip club, a very legendary strip club here in Atlanta called the Claremont Lounge. And I used to, like, I was like 17, 18 years old, and I would hand this grown man cash money to make me dubs of Asian films. Basically, like story buying movies out of a trunk.
- [45:28]
Danielle Henderson
You're like, let me just buy this out of the trunk of a car. Drive in a parking lot in some part of the city that I'm not familiar with.
- [45:36]
Millie De Jericho
Yeah, yeah, yeah. He had this stapled. It was basically like four pages of typed out film titles that he owned in his catalog in his collection, right? And it was stapled together and it was folded in half long ways and shoved in the back of his pocket. And when he was working, you could be like, you know, hey, I was wondering if maybe. Do you have a cop? Do you have the heroic trio? Like, do you have, you know, like, whatever. The one armed executioner. I really want to see that. And then he, you know, pull out his list and be like, yeah, yes, I do have that. And then you would hand him $50 in cash, and then he would, in two weeks come back with a, you know, eighth generation dub of a Maggie Chung movie. And that was how you got movies back then. It was crazy. I can't believe I'm saying that. So this is the era that I was in was that I was just starved for stuff. And so when I went to film school, I was just like, I'm here. I hated fucking high school. I hated all those assholes I went to high school with. And so now I'm downtown, I'm in a film program. And I'm just so. I just want it all. I want to observe and be a part of the city and, you know, work at the radio station, work at the movie theater and be in the film. And so I remember this was probably the first or second class of my freshman year at gsu. We did a. I was in like a film, one on one class. And this movie, Faster Pussycat, Kill Kill was screened. And it was literally life changing for me. I mean, for so many reasons. Number one, I had never really seen an exploitation film before, right? And from the kind of classic exploitation era, right, as now we know, as part of this kind of like, you know, 50s, 60s, you know, of these classic characters like Russ Meyer, Herschel Gordon Lewis, Doris Wishman, all these filmmakers that were kind of working in American exploitation films in the 50s and 60s. So I'd never seen a movie like that before. I had seen very little in black and white, right? Like, I just really hadn't. I hadn't seen many black and white films. And I never seen a movie where there were Asian women as protagonists in this very pronounced way, right? With their bodies out basically, like their butts and Their boobs were out, and they were, like, flourishing. Like, I had had such issues with my own ethnicity. Yeah, right. As kind of a bigger girl who was. Who had big boobs, who had a big ass, you know, and being half Asian. Right. I always had issues with that. And so I was like, okay, so you're telling me that there are three women in this film who are the stars of this film. Two of them are literally half Filipino, which is so insane to me that I would even know that they were half Filipino. Like, I mean, Tura Satana, who is the star of this film, she plays Varla. You know, she, you know, is essentially, you know, her father was a Japanese actor, but he was of Filipino descent. Her mother was Native American. She had had such an insane life. Like, she was in an internment camp in America during World War II. She suffered rape and sexual abuse. She was an exotic dancer. She had such a life, you know, and most of these people did at this time. I mean, this is the thing. If you were a woman working in this industry, like, in this era, there were things, like, you had a lot of things. But she was like the first character, I think, in a movie that I was ever. Like, I feel connected to this woman in a way that I've never felt connected to in any other film character.
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Danielle Henderson
Right. That's powerful.
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Millie De Jericho
It was. I mean, it was to me, in such an intense way. And Haji, who was another actress in the film, who is funny, because when I first saw this film, you got basically these three women, you know, Tera Satana as Varla, Haji is Rosie, and Lori Williams as Billy. Right. And Lori Williams is the beautiful buxom blonde character. Right. She's in there. But these other two women are clearly, there's something. There's an ethnicity to them, and you can't. You don't really know it. I think at first, although I kind of clocked Varla being half Asian, when I first saw Haji, I was like, is she Italian? She kind of has an Italian accent. Her name, Haji. I don't know if that's Middle Eastern. It was very, like, vague to me, but all I knew was that she looked like somebody like me. And the women that I knew in my life.
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Danielle Henderson
Right, right.
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Millie De Jericho
Haji, in fact, is Asian, just like me, half Filipino and half British. And I was just like that fudgeing rocked me. I was like, okay, so you're telling me that there's not one, but two half Filipinos in a movie where they're beautiful, their bodies are on display? Which I was, again, like, I couldn't believe what I was seeing. And they're running shit. This entire movie. If, by the way, one sentence synopsis. If I hadn't said it already, three women go to the desert and just start beating up men, killing men with their bare hands. With their bare hands. How could you not like a movie like that?
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Danielle Henderson
What a sentence. What a synopsis. But it's true.
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Millie De Jericho
And there.
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Danielle Henderson
What I also love about this movie is that, yes, there's a multitude of representation in the film right away, but also that they're kind of villainous. Like they're not meant to be adored, they're not meant to be revered. They are meant to be feared.
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Millie De Jericho
Yes. And that's something that at the time, when I saw this movie in 1997, I had never seen that. We talk a lot about. I mean, we have talked and discussed many films on this podcast up until now that are about complicated female characters. Right. I think that you and I are both the age where we had grown up with, you know, the fucking Kelly Kapowskis, the fucking, you know, like all of these, like, cheerleader types, well meaning good girls that got the boys in the end. And this kind of stuff to watch. Movies that feature women who are complicated and who sometimes make poor choices and sometimes don't know how to navigate their lives in the best ways, I think was a revelation for us both because it meant that we weren't going to have to be in this structure of femininity or womanhood that was served to us. Right.
- [53:10]
Danielle Henderson
Yeah. It was very prescriptive for most of our childhood, how to be an acceptable, quote, unquote, woman in the world.
- [53:19]
Millie De Jericho
Right.
- [53:19]
Danielle Henderson
So film was for. For you and for me, I think a way that we literally saw a different way of being.
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Millie De Jericho
Yeah. And this. And this is to your exact point, I think this is why this movie resonated with me, is that it was like, oh, these women are actually villains. They're actually killing people and they don't give a shit. They literally don't give a shit. Varla is one of the most sociopathic characters that'll ever be an exploitation film. And I'm also like, thank God. Like, there's a moment where I was just like, I don't think I've ever seen somebody like this before, like, at all. Like, even maybe to this day. It really empowered me seeing these women out there. And, like, again, I think that there's various degrees of psychosis happening in this film with these women, because you have Varla, who's kind of the gang Leader. Guess what? She is in a. I mean, I wouldn't even say it's coded. I think they do allude to it. She's in a lesbian relationship with Rosie, the haji character. Yep. The way that they speak to each other is as if they're in a relationship. I mean, that's groundbreaking for 1965. And I appreciated that as someone. I mean, I'm a cishet woman, but I appreciated seeing that type of relationship in a movie because it felt very fresh, you know, at the time.
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Danielle Henderson
And it wasn't used in a way that was overbearing or performative. It was really subtle in a way that helped enhance what you thought their relationship could be. And it helped. I think it just pushed the viewer into being more active because it had to at that time. But it also wasn't like, look at. Like, look at these two big boob lesbians going at it. It wasn't for the male gaze.
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Millie De Jericho
Yeah, exactly. And I think the. Like, you know, adding to this is the Billy character again, the Laurie Williams character. She's the blonde, kind of buxom. They're all buxom. But, you know, the blonde woman, she. She's arguably the most sexual of them all, where she's literally like, are we fucking or what? Like, that's kind of her standard operating procedure is just like, I want to have a good time. I. I get my kicks, I do what I want to do. I sleep with men, I drink, I like to party, and I don't care.
- [55:52]
Danielle Henderson
Yep.
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Millie De Jericho
Again, for 1965, you're like, oh. Like, oh, there's a woman who's, like, completely in charge of her own life and her own faculties, and this is how she acts. It's wonderful. It was wonderful to see as a.
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Danielle Henderson
Young woman, nobody forever, For a very long time in film and in real life, nobody really gave a shit about female pleasure or what women wanted or liked. And in this instance, yeah, they like killing, but they also liked, you know, like, the Billy character. They just wanted to be free. They wanted some. Some access point to freedom. So that was really impactful.
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Millie De Jericho
Yeah, definitely. And I think that the. The other interesting component about this film, which I. I feel like is sort of the thing that people forget, because I do think that the film is largely about the trio of women, obviously. How could you not? How could it not be about them? But there's a character in the film. So basically, you know, like, I guess I'm not gonna go through the plot. I'm just saying, like, in order to establish what the film is about. It's like these women are in the desert. They're, you know, racing cars with each other, and then they come across a young couple. It's basically like the guy is like an all American dork. The girl is, like, basically a Gidget Trixie. Ish girl. And Varla ends up killing her boyfriend, and they kidnap her, and they basically come across a family that lives in the desert, which kind of reminds me of the family from the Texas Chainsaw Massacre. It's like a weird old guy in a wheelchair, and then, like, his two weird sons, right? And they kind of, you know, go to their property. They find out that he has a lot of money. And so Varla's like, guess what? We're getting that money. So let's figure them out so we can steal their money and then make out, you know, like bandits or whatever. There's the two son characters, and they're very different. One is, you know, a very kind of. I don't know, like, kind of like the guy that's running the household. You know, he's a very responsible standup guy. And then the other one, who was played by the actor Dennis Bush, is called by his own father the Vegetable. And all he is is he's this beefy, brawny, muscular guy that has seems like he's suffered some trauma in his life and maybe has some cognitive issues, but he's, like, basically like a gentle giant, if you will, and. But is also triggered to kill at a moment's notice. So it's very complicated. But the way in which this character, this vegetable character is presented on screen is just as equally, I would say, salacious as the way the women are filmed. This guy is. His ass is always on camera, okay?
- [58:54]
Danielle Henderson
They always are filming it from behind. Always.
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Millie De Jericho
Yeah. And listen, Russ Meyer might be a straight guy and loves women's bodies, but he loved this man's body, I got to say. They were like his arms, his back. There was, like, a part where he's, like, basically, like, lifting weights. He's doing, like, a overhead press. And, like, Billy's walking around and being like, what's up, stud? And she's, like, touching his back muscles and his shoulders. I mean, it's like he's just always.
- [59:23]
Danielle Henderson
Slamming eggs, like, hardboiled eggs.
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Millie De Jericho
Well, but, like, he. I'm saying, I think the vegetable is being shot from a female point of view. Like, there's even in the midst of this movie where these women are. Their boobs are popping out and their butts are hanging out, and it can feel kind of aggressively hetero. Even though I don't really think it's hetero, I think it's actually kind of campy. There's a camp to it. That's not. It really, like, removes the sting of the fact that there's a straight white guy filming him. I don't know how to explain it.
- [59:57]
Danielle Henderson
I don't know.
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Millie De Jericho
But I think part of it is that this character, the vegetable character, is also being shot in a way that makes him look hot and sexually attractive. And so it's kind of like a horny movie for both men and women, essentially. But anyway, needless to say, I won't give away the ending because, I mean, I think you know how it's probably going to end up. It's very simple. 60s exploitation movies were very simple back then. But to wrap it up, I just have to say, like, seeing this movie really changed my whole life. I mean, it's the movie that got me into cult movies.
- [60:36]
Danielle Henderson
Right.
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Millie De Jericho
I have had a really great career in that world for over 20 years now. And it's because of this movie. If I hadn't seen this movie, I certainly probably wouldn't have ever started TCM Underground. I wouldn't have written a book about cult movies. I wouldn't be, for the most part, a semi authority or an authority on cult movies and get asked to do DVD commentaries and talk about cult films. I mean, this is what launched a thousand ships. And like I said, I think the biggest reason why I love it so much is that it felt like I was being shown a world that was possible for me as a half Asian woman and as a woman who, you know, basically has always felt very not great about her own body and her own sexuality, as much as every woman on the planet feels that way. You know what I mean? I was like, here's like the best version of who I could be in a weird way. I don't want to kill anybody, but I do think the occasional karate chop to the neck would be kind of fun. Non lethal. Non lethal. A respectful karate chop to the neck. You know, it's like a get out.
- [61:56]
Danielle Henderson
Of my way moment.
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Millie De Jericho
Yeah. And I love a black driving glove, you know, but I love it. I love this movie. It made me feel powerful and capable and sexual and sexy and Asian and everything. It just really blew my mind.
- [62:17]
Danielle Henderson
So great. So glad that you brought this one to the pod. I know we have talked about it off mic. I know that it's part of your book. I know that it's like a part of your Life and Development as a film critic and as someone who is an authority, not a semi authority, who is an authority on cult films. And it's just, it's a, it's a really, it's really great to go back and watch this film from, from the lens of my. My 47 year old eyes.
- [62:48]
Millie De Jericho
Yeah.
- [62:49]
Danielle Henderson
Because I think it's, it can't help but be impactful to everyone who sees it for the first time.
- [62:54]
Millie De Jericho
Yeah, it's definitely like an influential film in the cult movie world. I mean, there's so many references to it at this point. I mean, it's part of like, you know, Death Proof by Tarantino. I mean, the Cramps probably would half exist if it wasn't for this movie. I mean, they called one of their albums Smell a Female. It's just like, you know, there's a lot, a lot, a lot of things happened culturally because of this movie in particular. And I think it's actually, besides beyond the Valley of the Dolls, I think it's probably the other most accessible Russ Meyer movie.
- [63:32]
Danielle Henderson
Absolutely.
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Millie De Jericho
If you want to just kind of jump into his world, which is a wild world, I'm not going to deny that. But it's like I feel like this movie is the best one to do that.
- [63:44]
Danielle Henderson
Could not agree more. Start here. You will not be disappointed.
- [63:53]
Millie De Jericho
Well, listen, I've gone on way too long about my life. What about your life? Your movie life?
- [63:59]
Danielle Henderson
No such thing. Well, my movie that I brought for our final episode, the movie that got us into movies. The screenplay is by Dan O'Bannon, the director was Ridley Scott. And I'm of course talking about Alien. How do we kill it, Ash? There's gotta be a way of killing it. How?
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Millie De Jericho
How do we do it?
- [64:22]
Danielle Henderson
You can't. So I'm gonna give you a one sentence synopsis. Ignoring a woman who says no kills an entire space crew and they fucking deserve it.
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Millie De Jericho
Sounds like you.
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Danielle Henderson
Now, prior to this week, I probably would have come up with something like funny or quirky or whatever, but I'm like, no, that's pretty much what this movie's about. On its face though, it is about a crew, a seven member crew of a kind of like a commercial towing vehicle in space. And it's on its way back to earth. They receive a distress signal from somewhere. They go check it out and one of their crew members gets hugged in the face by an alien. And they spent a little bit of time trying to figure out like, should we let him in? Should we not let him in? And Ellen Ripley, who I will get into the star of the movie. The primary character of the film is like, no, we shouldn't let him in. And they ignore her. And then the whole movie happens. So.
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Millie De Jericho
So I will. Isn't that always the way? Oh my God.
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Danielle Henderson
Always the way. So let me first tell you who's in this film. Ellen Ripley, who goes by Ripley, is the protagonist of the film, played by Sigourney Weaver. And she's kind of like just a third officer on the ship. Like, I don't know exactly what her job is, but I think it involves like warrants or something. The captain of the ship, Dallas. Captain Dallas, played by Tom Skerritt, who we talked about at length during our Seal Magnolia's review in the live show.
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Millie De Jericho
A lot of people were mad that we didn't record that, and I was like, sorry, had to be there. Once again, also, and this might be.
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Danielle Henderson
An unpopular opinion, I think live recordings of podcasts are impossible to listen to because so much of what they are doing is on a screen behind them or it is a visual joke that you will not get. And nobody takes the time to stop and explain what's going on. So when even the podcast that I love, when they're like, we're doing a live episode, I'm not listening because I know that it will be a different flavor and it is meant to only be important or useful to the people in the room. Like, let it just be its own thing. You don't have to. I don't ever want to listen to a live recording of a podcast personally.
- [66:42]
Millie De Jericho
You said that very early days of this podcast. And I was like, listen, I'm with you. I like, right, like, good. We don't have to haul Casey out to wherever with a bunch of equipment to record us talking about stuff. Like, I. I was like, I'm on board with not doing a live episode. So, hahaha. It's.
- [67:00]
Danielle Henderson
It's just a different beast. It's just a different thing. So, like, yeah, go. Go and support the live episodes of the podcasts that you love. Yeah, but stop. Stop asking them to record them and make it available to everyone. It is a different experience.
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Millie De Jericho
Yeah. Plus there's a magic in person. You gotta go to a live show. Sorry. You don't just get the Internet for all your needs. Sometimes you actually gotta go outside and look at us and cry with us.
- [67:26]
Danielle Henderson
Come on, look us in the eyeball. But yeah, we did not record the live episode, but we did talk about Tom Skerritt. You also have the engineer of the Ship, played by engineer Kane, who's played by John Hurt, legendary film act, legendary actor of stage and screen. The navigator is Lambert, who's played by Veronica Cartwright. You have kind of a tech guy, like an engineering tech guy, played by Harry Dean Stanton. His name is Brett. The science officer, his name is Ash, played by Ian Holm. And the chief engineer is Parker, played by Yaphet Kotto. One thing that is also really. Was really influential about this movie was the way that the movie looked and the way that the reason for that and the reason the movie looked very futurey and kind of greasy and kind of scary was because the xenomorph, the villain in the movie, the alien, was based on drawings by H.R. giger. And you either know nothing about H.R. giger or you had a boyfriend when you were 19 and learned everything about H.R. geiger.
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Millie De Jericho
That's right.
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Danielle Henderson
His art is intense and specific and very cool. But it can be overwhelming if you don't care. Like, if you don't care about HR Geiger, it can be overwhelming to hear about their career. But I implore you to go look at some of their work. And I also. I'm gonna kind of. I do have notes, but I'm talking loosely about the movie because I feel like this is one of those films that you've either definitely seen or just have, to this point, not wanted to see. So either know about it or you don't. But this movie basically starts with everyone sleeping in their pods. Like, the distress. The distress signal comes through to the computer interface on the ship that they call Mother. And I could write, and I'm not even exaggerating, I could write a doctoral thesis about feminism in the Alien movies.
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Millie De Jericho
Oh, my God, please.
- [69:43]
Danielle Henderson
For the perception of women in the Alien franchise. I could write.
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Millie De Jericho
Why can't you just write a book? Like, does it have to be.
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Danielle Henderson
It could be a book. It could be a book. But I immediately go to academia because I could slice and dice up the themes and the representations in these films all day long. I'm not going to do that to you. I won't punish you with our last episode. But, Mother, who is this again? This computer system interface kind of gets this message, but everyone's sleeping in their pod, and they all sleep in, like, these big old diapers. Like, they're just chilling in these little futuristic pods and the little diapers. And at the time that I saw this movie for the first time, which, of course, again, was way too young, I saw this when I was, like, 8 or 9 years old. And at the time I thought, all of These people are 50 years old. They all looked like full on old ass adults to me. And watching it in recent years, I've never seen any of these actors look younger. They were absolute babies in this. Even Harry Dean Stanton, who I think was born looking like he was 70 years old, looks like a baby in this movie.
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Millie De Jericho
He came out the womb like smoking a cigarette, being like, avenge me.
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Danielle Henderson
Imagine a baby popping out and asking for a cig. I'm here to be born and rip cigs. Let's go. I've already been born. Let's get these fresh lungs some action. And this is also. This is something about this cast of characters is when you first meet them, they're just kind of waking up and having a meal. But there's so much about these early scenes that are stunning because the early scenes of the film are very quiet. It's very quiet and normal. Normal in that you expect to see a space crew kind of sleeping in pods and waking up just to eat and go back to their pods because they're on their way back to Earth. It could take weeks to get there. But it's a really quiet, eerie. And it grows into an eerie quietness over time. But there is also, in this first scene of them all being together, a real look at how reckless people were with space in the 1970s. Because they are all smoking cigarettes. They have flamethrowers. Like, there is no. There are a lot of officers and engineers on this ship. There is no safety engineer on this ship. Because they are all smoking full hand rolled cigarettes in space.
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Millie De Jericho
Yo. I think the air is real thin up there.
- [72:15]
Danielle Henderson
I'd be real thin.
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Millie De Jericho
Would you like, let me ask you, would you smoke a cigarette on a spaceship?
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Danielle Henderson
Absolutely not. You know how much oxygen has to be in those things just to keep you alive?
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Millie De Jericho
I know. I was like. I kind of thought that if open fire happened in space, it just explodes or something is that. I'm not a scientist. I don't know if that's actually true, but I just always felt like that would happen.
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Danielle Henderson
I definitely think it would explode in a vessel that is enclosed that is containing tons of oxygen tanks on it.
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Millie De Jericho
Like if it was like Silent Running with Bruce Dern, if you were living in that, in that bubble, you could probably rip a cig, maybe like light a dube or something. But not on a spaceship, right?
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Danielle Henderson
Just everywhere on the spaceship they're smoking. And then again, at one point somebody literally brings out a fucking flamethrower. And I'm like, who even Got that on board. Too much damage you could do with a flamethrower on a spaceship. What's going on? And it's one of those old 70s style flamethrowers where the flame is just always going. It looks like a. Like a tiki torch. Yeah, Approve this. This ship is wild. This ship is wild. So Tom Skerritt, Dallas. The captain intercepts this message as. After, you know, he kind of wakes up and is like, hey, mother. Like, what's going on? What do we miss? And she's like, well, there's a fucking message from somewhere. Maybe you should check it out. So they start to argue about whether or not they need to go and engage in this rescue. But they do kind of go. But they take the little ship, you know, they disengage from the big ship and they take the little ship down to investigate. And all of the old tech on the ship is very like, Joy Division cover. Kind of looks. It's like, oh, the Joy Division cover. That's where they got that from. And the ship breaks while it's landing. Probably because it's covered in nicotine and fire.
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Millie De Jericho
Yeah.
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Danielle Henderson
And the ship's like, I've had it. So their little ship breaks and they have to kind of dry dock for a little bit. But they go and investigate this vessel on this abandoned planet. And they send a small group out to the terrain and they do find something mysterious. It again looks like a ship. They go in because they have. They're bored. I don't know what they just. That's their job. I don't know. They went in. I would not have. I'd have been like, you can send me back to Earth. I'll be in my pod, right? But inside this ship, they find a bunch of eggs with, quote, organic life moving around inside. So, you know, when you were a kid, like, you shine a flashlight on a. A chick, an egg with a little chick inside. You can see like all the membranes. That's what this looked like. And instead of running from it, they poke at it until one opens up and splays itself all over the face of John Hurt.
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Millie De Jericho
No way.
- [75:04]
Danielle Henderson
And I'm like, that's what you get for poking eggs on a spaceship in an abandoned planet. Like, I don't care what kind of science you're into, there are protocols for you interacting with that egg.
- [75:14]
Millie De Jericho
I know, I know it's real loosey goosey right now up here. But like, you gotta. You gotta be careful.
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Danielle Henderson
You gotta have some standards, man. Like, for your own safety, clearly. Because this Thing, which we now call a Face Hugger, attaches itself to Kane. So now everyone's like, what is going on? Ripley is like, do not open the hatch. We have a 24 hour quarantine process for when shit like this possibly happens. Every single. Every. All six other people on the ship are like, no, let him in. We got to save him. Just throw the book out the window. And they let her. They ignore her and let him in. So now they're trying to save him, quote, unquote. So Ash, the science tech is like trying to figure out. And Dallas and like, well, we can't actually get it off its face because every time we touch it, it tightens its grip around his neck. Let's just slide Kane into the wall and scan him. So they just slide him into a wall and scan his body. And that's when they realize there's like a tendril from the Face Hugger is stuck down his throat. And they think it's feeding him oxygen. It's like, oh, this is now a symbiotic relationship where this thing is keeping him alive and we can't cut it off. How awesome. The cool news is they do cut into it and the alien's blood is acid, just starts eating through the floor of the spaceship again. Who is in charge of making sure this spaceship can stay viable with these on board? They're like the jackass guys just like, let's just cut it off. And then it's acid. They're like, let's see where the acid goes. But even better news, they go back and check on Kane and the Face Hugger is gone, right? So Ripley in the midst of this is like, I don't know. I don't trust Ash. He seems to be pushing real hard for this alien to survive and for us to not hurt it. But Kane kind of wakes up and seems fine. And also in this scene, you have to pay attention to the fact that Kane, John Hurt, is wearing a lace up onesie. Like a deep V lace up onesie, which is such a weird choice, but they kind of like, what's the last thing do you remember? Like, you remember this acid filled alien hug in your face. And he's like, no, the last thing I remember is a dream about smothering. You're like, yep, that's normal. That tracks. Carry on as usual. Because they just go and have one more meal. They're like, all right, the Face Hugger is gone. Kane seems fine. Let's just go eat and go back to our pods, right? And it's all happy and good, smoking cigarettes, playing with a flamethrower until the iconic scene where the alien baby that has clearly embedded itself in his body bursts out of his chest.
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Millie De Jericho
Yes.
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Danielle Henderson
And it has been parodied several times. It's been parodied in Spaceballs. It is disgusting looking. This little head pops out and then these tiny, tiny teeth, tiny, like steel teeth in this tiny, tiny jaw opens up and just goes and scurries across the table and leaves.
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Millie De Jericho
I have to ask, what were you thinking when you first saw this scene? What? How were you feeling when you saw this for the first time?
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Danielle Henderson
I was terrified because I've already gone through the poltergeist scene of the chicken with the maggots on it. So I'm already prepped to think anything could burst out of my body at any time. It was terrifying and it didn't. It looks comical now. It doesn't look like it. It was clearly a puppet, obviously, so it looks very comical now. But at the time it's just this like blood and ooze covered thing and it burst out of his chest in such a violent way that it also destabilized the film because you're like, well, I don't know what could happen next. Now we're dealing with an alien on the loose and the crew has no idea what it is or how to combat it. So it was both disgusting and terrifying, but also wildly exhilarating to watch this thing jump out of his chest.
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Millie De Jericho
That's what I think is so interesting about watching a movie like this as such a young person, because I've actually heard from like several people, like several of my friends who, when they saw this movie for the first time as a young person, they were like. This scene particularly changed something in me, like made me a horror movie maniac. Got me really into science fiction. Like something where they were just like, oh yeah, I was completely freaked out. But then it also rewired my brain. Absolutely.
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Danielle Henderson
I think that's why I picked it too, because up to this point my grandmother had been showing me horror movies and sci fi movies, you know, from the 50s 60s. She loved, you know, all the OGs, like, you know, Swamp Thing and the original monster movies, but she also loved all the OG science fiction movies. And this one felt different. This, this movie, from the first time I saw it, it felt like it was showing me a different way to tell a story.
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Millie De Jericho
Yeah.
- [80:10]
Danielle Henderson
And I was sucked the fuck in.
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Millie De Jericho
Yeah, I bet.
- [80:15]
Danielle Henderson
I was onto it. This really did. And it also helped me to see my own Place in a science fiction future because there were women on the ship and black people on the ship.
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Millie De Jericho
Yeah, of course.
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Danielle Henderson
And it was life changing in that way to see that as a kid and to think, oh, in the future, I could be this kind of, like, this could happen. Or this could be a future that we're working towards in a. In a broad way, but in a specific way I was in. I'm like, this is cool as shit.
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Millie De Jericho
Yeah. That, like, even to this day, like, that scene is so jarring. It's kind of. It is the mo. It is the most famous scene, I think, of maybe the entire franchise.
- [80:54]
Danielle Henderson
Yeah.
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Millie De Jericho
And it's like one of the most iconic scenes, I think, in film history too, I gotta say.
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Danielle Henderson
What if it's not on the list? I will make that list and put it at the top for sure. The only other, I think, more iconic image from any of the Alien movies in the franchise is the. I believe it's in three, where the alien, like Ripley's face is kind of turned against the ship and the alien is right against her face, breathing.
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Millie De Jericho
Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's the other iconic. But, you know, I. Yeah, definitely involved. Yeah. This is the first I had seen when I saw this movie for the first time. I jumped when that happened.
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Danielle Henderson
Yeah. So no, nothing about that scene is expected because you think, oh, we've seen them have dinner before. We've seen them, you know, cutting up before they go back to their pods. We did not. We'd never seen anything like this. Nothing like this. So now they're all looking for the alien that burst out of Kane's chest. Kane's dead. They're like, peace out. They shoot him out of the ship and into the fucking atmosphere. Like, let space have you and do what it will, because you're truly. Which they should have done from the beginning. But then, of course, again, the movie wouldn't exist. Right. But this is also where we learned there's a cat on board. There's an orange cat called Jonesy, who I love. And once you meet this cat, if you're an animal lover or an animal person at all, once you meet this cat, all you can think of is, please do not let this alien eat this cat.
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Millie De Jericho
No, please do, sir.
- [82:17]
Danielle Henderson
That is such a big part of the rest of the movie for me is like, where is Josie? Where is Josie? But it adds to the fear. And if, again, if you're a little kid and you love animals and you're like, am I going to be watching a cat get eaten up? Like, please Don't. So everyone's looking for Jonesy. Brett, Harry Dean Stanton's character is looking for Jonesy. And at one point he picks up this. This what looks like a loose skin, like a snake shedding its skin, which is how we learned that the xenomorph, the alien is growing. And when I say growing, it goes from baby to minute bowl in like 20 minutes. This thing is fucking massive in 20 minutes. And then it, like Once you. When you see it again, it has a mouth within a mouth, like it's growing extra parts of itself. It's. It's ceaseless. It's a ceaseless alien that is growing in huge proportions. So Brett at one point is looking for it, and he kind of just stands under this. This dripping water, which, again, what is going on with this ship? Dripping water is bad news for a spaceship.
- [83:24]
Millie De Jericho
I know there means there's probably a leak somewhere, right?
- [83:27]
Danielle Henderson
It should be bad news. Like, also, that's probably not just water, like, but he's standing in like. Like tourist, a tana in our film earlier, taking a bath in a water tower. That's Brett on this hill on this spaceship. And of course he dies. He's eaten up by. That's because again, we see the alien. It's huge. It's like 10 times. It's three times the size of him. He's gone. And the other thing I love about the xenomorph is it disappears people. So they're like, yeah, we know he's dead. He. There's. He can't help but be dead. But we cannot find even his bones, like, the whole thing in. So they go back to the computer and they're like, hey, mother, what's up? What's up with this fucking alien thing? And she's like, my directives is that you should save the alien at all costs. The crew is expendable. And they're like, I'm sorry, what? And she's like, like, what are my chances? And she's like, it does not compute, motherfucker. You are expendable. I don't know how other times I can. How many other times I can say it. So I'm not going to go through the full rest of the film, but I will say there are two things that always crack me up about this movie. One is when Dallas, the captain, encounters the alien, which is a terrifying moment because he's kind of crawling around in a small space and everyone's watching this heat dot. And they're like, the alien is right there. Like, it's coming towards you. It's right there. And when he finally sees it, it reaches out to him like it's doing jazz hands, which always cracks me up. He's like, come here, baby.
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Millie De Jericho
Hello, my baby. Hello, my darling.
- [84:58]
Danielle Henderson
Hello, my baby. And then my other favorite part is Ash. So Ash is the science engineer played by Ian Holm. And at one point, Ash starts to sweat milk. Like, he just looks like he's sweating milk because he's getting into it with Ripley. And he attacks the. Out of Ripley, like, throws her around with one hand. And Ian Holmes, a tiny little dude, and he just attacks Ripley and just throws her around. And we're trying to figure out, like, what the is going on. And then we have Parker comes Parker and oh God, Lambert come around the corner and they see basically Ash roll. He rolls up a magazine and tries to jam it down Ripley's throat, which is so phallic and awful. And again, I could write a million papers about this, this movie. But he's fully bugging out. Like, his eyes are fluttering. He's violent. So they. And everyone's like, why is. Why is Ash so strong? Like, we didn't know Ash was so strong. Parker hits him in the back of the head with like a fire extinguisher, basically, and it knocks his head off his body. So now everyone's like, oh, shit, Ash is a goddamn robot. He's Android. Which is again, the surprises do not stop coming in this film. But then they take his head. Don't worry, they take his head and they plug it in and rewire his head to get some answers. And so you're looking inside like the cavity of his neck and you're like, oh, he's made of like spaghetti and milk and some bubble tea balls. And they plug in his hand, they're like, what's going on? He's like, you're all gonna die. Haha. And then he just gets. They use the flamethrower and light him up. But that scene was so like, his head on that table is so iconic to me about, again, what could happen in storytelling, how surprises work, how plot twists work, how things work. And I love it. There's just so many things that stand out to me and will always stand out to me as what make this. What makes this movie a supreme film. And just in sci fi, but across the genres. And Ripley, after seeing this, is like, yo, we are blowing the ship the fuck up. There's only three of us left. Let's get the fuck out of here. Let me go get this cat. And I'm gonna end the description there of the movie because I think if you haven't seen it, you have to. If you have, you know it's coming.
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Millie De Jericho
Yeah.
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Danielle Henderson
And we all know Ripley makes it because there's like four more Alien movies. But you have to watch. If you've never seen this movie, do yourself the favor of watching it. Don't take for granted that, oh, we've got Alien Resurrection and all these new Alien, you know, Prometheus and all these new things coming out. See the first one. To understand what this world is and what's. What was especially exciting to me about this world. Even though there is a scene later with Ripley kind of getting undressed and trying to crawl into the pod and like, her underwear doesn't fit in the weirdest way possible. It's like, it's too low, it's rolled down and her ass crack is out.
- [88:00]
Millie De Jericho
Listen, I know a ton of people who are like sexually activated by that. Absolutely. I know a ton of people who have specifically been like, yo, the ill fitting underwear was my sexual awakening.
- [88:15]
Danielle Henderson
They knew what they were doing. I'll just say that they did. They knew what they were doing. Across the sexuality spectrum, people were launched.
- [88:24]
Millie De Jericho
Yes.
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Danielle Henderson
But there's this scene and you're like, okay, so you know that she again, like, she does survive to fight the alien another day. But watching her get to a point where she could possibly do that is fascinating and again, unexpected. There are twists, but I just really as a kid resonated something about this movie that really resonated with me was this notion of survival, this notion of fighting. Seeing, like women kicking ass as a way, as a means purely to fight for their own survival, not to benefit men or anything like that. It was revolutionary to me to see Ripley as a character.
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Millie De Jericho
Yeah.
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Danielle Henderson
Because we again have seen over the development of the franchise how they sexualized her, much like more and more and more. And if this movie were to be made today, I think it would have all the bells and whistles of, you know, the extreme jumping and extreme punching and extreme fighting. What makes this movie brilliant is how quietly you are watching people fight for their life.
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Millie De Jericho
Yeah.
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Danielle Henderson
And it really changed something in me to be able to see not just a different world, a different landscape in space, in spaceships, but to see Sigourney Weaver as Ripley kicking absolute s in a way that felt at the same time very feminine. She's crying, she's like yelling. She is not timid about expressing herself while she's fighting for her fucking life. And it was Revolutionary to me.
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Millie De Jericho
Unbelievable. And you're so right about. There was a restraint, I think, to 70s cinema when it came to, like, action, science fiction, things like that. Even, like early 80s stuff like that just doesn't exist now. I think that we're too. We. We need to keep attention. Like, that's the thing is that, like, people are so distracted that now everybody's just trying to keep your attention at all times. The fast edits, the, you know, the graphics, the special effects, that kind of stuff. When you walk, when you walk back, like, for example, if you have, like, no reference for something like this, like, if you've never seen it and you've not really watched a lot of, you know, classic films or older cinema and you watch something like this, it's. I. I would be curious to see what you think because, you know, I think a lot of people who dip in older films are like, man, they're so, like, boring and not like, kind of muted. And I'm just like. That's what I love about it, though. I mean, don't you love that?
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Danielle Henderson
I love that. I don't know what's going to happen, because in these overblown movies, I know what's going to happen.
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Millie De Jericho
Yeah. Even, like thrillers and suspenseful movies, you just see shit coming from a mile away. Now, where I feel like a movie like Alien is really, like, really a great example of tension building.
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Danielle Henderson
Absolutely. Oh, just such an economy of language and the use of force or strength, and it just. It's a beautiful fucking movie. It's a weird movie. It's a hilarious movie, and it's scary as shit. It's one of the first scary movies that I saw that I. I really felt like, oh, but I understand the terror.
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Millie De Jericho
Yeah.
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Danielle Henderson
Yeah. And when I was really little and watching movies with my grandmother, I'm like, this is just scary. I don't like it. But it really became like, oh, yeah, this is. This is how terror can work in a way that feels interesting.
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Millie De Jericho
Yeah.
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Danielle Henderson
And I also, again, would be remiss if I didn't mention that the actor who plays the alien, who's actually in the alien costume is Balaji Badejo, who was huge, like just a fucking giant person. But go look up information about Balaji Badejo, who did a fucking fantastic job in this film, and never, you never see their face or, you know, his face. So you don't get to know much about who he is behind the scenes, but really was part of this iconic franchise and the main part of this iconic franchise which We, I didn't learn for years who that there was an actor. I thought it was all puppets and strings, but no, there's a human being in there.
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Millie De Jericho
Yeah. I just have to say the. Over the course of four years, 200 and something episodes, you, the narrative that you presented very early on of being a young person who was forced into horror, science fiction and other forms of depravity through your grandmother is one of the funniest, best, most endearing things ever. Like, I mean as a person that's often like thought about and talked about, you know, movie culture, but also like how people get into movies, how they were formed as children to like the things that they like now, like that's one of the best stories is to just have this like little mean, depraved, poor movie loving grandma with her saw DVDs next to her husband's ashes just fucking your mind up just like you up forever.
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Danielle Henderson
And doesn't even think of it. Just like, if I'm gonna watch it, these kids I'm watching are also gonna watch it. Like was not even. We weren't even considered considered in terms of any of this being bad for our development. She thought it was cool. So she's like, well they all clearly think it's cool because I love it. So they'll love is also joyful to me to note and have heard from so many people who got into movies in the same exact way where they're like, yeah, my grandmother is the one that made me watch all these slasher films. And I again, part of my possible doctoral thesis in the future is going to be to examine and really research and study why so many older women, grandmothers specifically love horror movies. Because I think there is a generational thing happening where they were so locked in and unable to express themselves in their actual day to day lives that they grew to enjoy any expression of direct violence against oppression. I don't know, I think there's something to it.
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Millie De Jericho
We were talking about this when we were both in Atlanta for the live show. I mean, why the hell do you think you and I love heavy metal and rap music? I feel like it's the same thing. There's something that connects all of this and it has to do with women's oppression in some basic way.
- [95:07]
Danielle Henderson
We've got to crack the code. Even if it means cracking the DNA sequence and going and becoming scientists. Like there is something so intense about this that I believe is a genetic issue.
- [95:18]
Millie De Jericho
Listen, as we figure this out, I'll take a face hugger for the Team. If we. If we can solve. If we can solve the riddle of this and I have to have a face hugger in the process, I'll. I'll take one. I'll be that person. Because I want to know. We gotta. We gotta figure this out for humanity.
- [95:35]
Danielle Henderson
Maybe we can get a synthetic face hugger or something.
- [95:40]
Millie De Jericho
Well, and I will say this too, just to. To close up my thoughts about you picking this amazing film this week. I'm so glad that you had that experience with being shown this movie at a young age, having it fucking rock your brain, and that you did something positive with it and you did not turn into a Republican Christian freakazoid. Like it had the intended effect, which is that it turns you into a professional maniac that was subsequently able to put great art and entertainment into this world. Do you know what I'm saying?
- [96:21]
Danielle Henderson
Like, thank you. Yeah, it didn't shut me down to the point where I'm like, nobody can ever see anything like this. Why would we let anybody watch this? I was like, actually, this is kind of cool. And I have some ideas of my own, right?
- [96:31]
Millie De Jericho
And it's not like this stupid narrative that, like, all these, like, fucking, like, satanic panicky types are always saying, like, oh, the things are ruining the children's brains and they're all. All going to become like this. No, no. I was like, no. Sometimes they become professional, successful weirdos. And that's what we need in the world. We don't need any more, basically. We don't need more fascists. We don't need to be conservatives. We need awesome freaks.
- [97:01]
Danielle Henderson
A. I'm so happy to be an awesome freak. You're an awesome freak, too.
- [97:05]
Millie De Jericho
Thank you. I think that's why we get along. I think that's why we get along so well.
- [97:08]
Danielle Henderson
I think so, too. You're like this movie in the desert with all these women just running, like, ragged over men. That is what is going to activate me in my life.
- [97:19]
Millie De Jericho
Seeing women kill men in the sand with their bare hands made me the person that I am today.
- [97:26]
Danielle Henderson
Oh, God, I love this so much. I've loved every minute of this. Every minute of this.
- [97:34]
Millie De Jericho
I have, too. And I'm sad that this episode is finally coming to an end because I think, you know, I'm just gonna miss sitting with you, like, doing this shit every week. I mean, honestly, like, it was a joy to talk about movies. It was a joy to hear you talk about movies. I. I feel like we created this amazing little world where we got to share our thoughts and our feelings. And our opinions. And a lot of time it went from, like, talking about extremely hard, difficult, sometimes, sometimes traumatic, sometimes emotional things to talking about farts and, you know, like, bad dates and, you know, like chafing, thigh chafing. Like, it was. The range of, like, topics was so vast and it was like you were there for every bit of it. There was never a time where I felt like, I'm going in a direction and you weren't on the ride. You know, if you put it down.
- [98:37]
Danielle Henderson
I'll pick it up.
- [98:38]
Millie De Jericho
Yeah, I'll pick it up. That's the best thing that you can hope for in any friend and anybody that you creatively collaborate with is somebody that is going to, like, take you at your high low, is never going to make you feel weird. And that's this podcast for me in a nutshell. It's just the feeling of being seen and understood by you, by Casey, by everybody we work with, by everybody who's listening, has made it every second worth it for me. So thank you.
- [99:04]
Danielle Henderson
I could not agree more. And thank you so much again. Don't forget, do not unsubscribe to your feed in your. Whatever you're using to listen to this podcast. Keep your. Keep subscribing to the feed. Keep subscribing to our social media, because as announcements come out, that is where they will live.
- [99:23]
Millie De Jericho
Be on the lookout for a film podcast for me and Casey possibly in January, maybe sometime in 2025, I don't know. Um, but yeah, you will hear about it first if you stay on this feed. So just stay in. And also, I gotta say, like, I know that our social media is still gonna be up. Like, I don't think we're striking it down, at least not in the short term. Um, so, you know, our social media will be there, but also we'll be checking the emails. I mean, I know that you and I will both check it for a little bit and I might just still check it once in a while. Who the fuck knows?
- [100:02]
Danielle Henderson
And we're keeping that too. So even if we don't check it for a couple of years, it'll be there.
- [100:06]
Millie De Jericho
Yeah, I saw what you did. Pot gmail.com you could just like, lob over late night voicemails if it's just like, something you want to do. I'm not saying they're going to be listening to them. We're going to listen to them with any kind of, like, regularity over time. But if that's just something you want to do, that email address will still.
- [100:24]
Danielle Henderson
Be there and you know, keep it movie related. Pod focus. But send us, send us some stuff, especially in the, in the, in the next coming weeks, we will definitely be reading too and hopefully having some time to respond to people directly. And you can always find out more about us on our link tree, which is on our social media. And you can find us on our socials at. I saw POD on Instagram, Blue sky and Twitter.
- [100:46]
Millie De Jericho
Yeah.
- [100:47]
Danielle Henderson
So keep in touch with us.
- [100:49]
Millie De Jericho
Keep in touch. And Danielle, the last time I'm gonna say this, as always, as ever, as it shall be a fucking pleasure doing and have done this podcast with you.
- [101:08]
Danielle Henderson
Honestly, it has been a distinct honor and my fucking pleasure.
- [101:13]
Millie De Jericho
Oh my God. All right, signing off. We love you. Thanks for being a listener. We appreciate it. Bye. I don't know how to end it. Bye.
- [101:31]
Danielle Henderson
See ya. This has been an exactly right production. Our senior producer is Casey O'Brien. Episode mixing and theme music by Tom Breyfogel. Artwork by Garrett Ross. Our executive producers are Georgia Hardstart, Karen Kilgariff and Danielle Kramer. You can follow us on Instagram and Twitter. Saw Pod. And you can email us at. I saw what you did. Podmail.