Burt Reynolds, The Super Bowl, and The Longest Yard (1974)

Summary

Podcast Summary: "Burt Reynolds, The Super Bowl, and The Longest Yard (1974)"

Dear Movies, I Love You
Hosts: Millie De Chirico & Casey O’Brien
Release Date: February 10, 2026

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Overview

This episode of Dear Movies, I Love You rings in Super Bowl season with an homage to 1970s American football, masculinity, and the enduring charm of Burt Reynolds. Hosts Millie De Chirico and Casey O’Brien take a loving, nuanced look at Robert Aldrich’s The Longest Yard (1974) while confessing their own football histories, talking about the complications of football culture in the South and Midwest, and celebrating Burt Reynolds’ irresistible appeal. The conversation weaves in personal anecdotes, 70s sports movie nostalgia, listener voicemails, and a healthy dose of unpretentious yet incisive film criticism.

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Episode Structure & Key Segments

1. Football Antics & Confessions (00:06 – 05:13)

   • Millie and Casey jokingly fumble through a pretend football toss, with Millie revealing her lifelong fear of footballs.
     • “I feel like...I don't like this weird almond shape of a ball.” – Millie (00:42)
   • Casey shares his short-lived, bruising stint in youth football, noting it “really rattled me...I'm a poet. I'm a little sensitive guy." (02:00)
   • Millie explains her outsider status in American football culture despite Southern roots: “I just feel like I'm outside of this experience of football, which just feels like a very American...fiber of the country.” (04:33)

2. Reality TV + Movie Pairings: The High-Low Phenomenon (07:31 – 09:47)

   • Casey muses about matching movies with reality shows, such as Triangle of Sadness + Below Deck and Discreet Charm of the Bourgeoisie + Real Housewives.
   • Millie affirms the overlap between cinephiles and reality TV fans: “A lot of hardcore cinephiles also have this, like, secret love of shitty reality TV shows.” (09:26)

3. Film Diary: Julie Annuary & Sectional Couch Revolution (10:27 – 20:40)

   • Millie rewatched Erin Brockovich and launches “Julie Annuary”: a tradition of watching Julia Roberts films every January.
     • "Julianuary is just a moment in time where people can decompress from the holidays, watch a bunch of Julia Roberts movies..." – Millie (16:04)
   • She shares her elation in finally buying a giant sectional couch—“It's changed the fucking game so much...I could actually sleep on this thing.” (14:03)
   • Casey watched the B-horror movie Bone Lake on Netflix and jokes about starting a hardcore band called Bone Lake.

4. Feature Discussion: The Longest Yard (1974) (21:48 – 66:16)

   Burt Reynolds, Robert Aldrich & Southern Pride

   • The hosts heap praise on both director Robert Aldrich and star Burt Reynolds, with Millie explaining his unique southern appeal:
     • “Burt Reynolds, to me, is an archetype...He's masculine, but he's also, like, okay with getting naked...for the ladies and the gays as well...he's approachable.” (28:14)
   • Discussion connecting Reynolds to a “himbo” lineage—comparing him to Patrick Swayze, Channing Tatum, etc.

   Plot & Prison Politics

   • Quick rundown: Ex-footballer Paul “Wrecking” Crew (Reynolds) lands in prison for wild behavior, is drafted by the warden to form an inmate football team (the Mean Machine) pitted against abusive guards for the guards' semi-pro team.
   • Deep dive into football gambling & “point shaving” explained by Casey:
     • “Point shaving is like underperforming so that you can affect the score of the game.” (45:03)
   • Millie connects her affection for the film to its portrait of southern identity and prison politics: “There's a lot going on with this movie that I love. But...my personal connection is definitely steeped in the Burt Reynolds-ness of it.” (24:20)
   • The authenticity of 1970s sports films: easier, more hedonistic, but also more violent than the disciplined, militaristic modern game.
     • “In the 70s, they were much more like...out at the clubs every night...there’s an easy breeziness.” – Casey (52:41)

   Gameplay & Cinematic Technique

   • A breakdown of how the movie realistically depicts football strategy—clarifying quarterback codes, huddle shots, and gameplay for non-fans.
     • “Those are essentially plays that he’s calling out, you know...and the quarterback is sort of the captain of the ship.” – Casey (62:01)
   • Praise for the film's “loose, hanging out” vibe, comparing it to Richard Linklater’s approach.

   The Ending & Its Relevance

   • The climactic game and the final confrontation with prison authority are read as prescient commentary on the brutality and power dynamics in carceral America.
     • “There was a moment where they almost killed the dude. And I was like...That moment happens in our lives...and it’s the moment that...created so much tragedy.” – Millie (58:37)

   Favorite Performances & Characters

   • Shout-outs to Richard Keil (“Jaws” from Bond), Bernadette Peters (as "Ms. Toot"), Ed Lauter, and Teen Wolf’s Jim Hampton as Caretaker.
   • “Caretaker...becomes Paul Crew’s right-hand man, who can get you anything you want in prison, including women to sleep with.” – Millie (49:19)

5. Listener Voicemails & Recommendations (66:45 – 80:41)

   • Voicemail 1: Horror without Romance (66:53)
     • Recommendations for horror movies free of romance: The Exorcist, Hereditary, The Blair Witch Project, Whatever Happened to Baby Jane?
     • “This is actually a challenging exercise because most horror movies have some sort of romantic element.” – Casey (67:55)
   • Voicemail 2: Haunted House DVDs (72:11)
     • Film recs: Amityville Horror, House, House on Haunted Hill (50s), Rebecca, Death Becomes Her, Elvira: Mistress of the Dark.
   • Voicemail 3: Movie Quote Gripe (75:43)
     • Listener Cher can’t stand people endlessly quoting lines from movies (e.g., The Hangover).
     • “This is a man problem, I would say...I could not remember quotes. I’m like Cher.” – Casey (76:40)
     • Millie admits she constantly references lines, but mostly obscure cult films.

6. Employees' Picks: More Messy 70s Football Films (81:02 – 85:07)

   • Semi-Tough (1977) – Millie’s pick: another chaotic, charming Burt Reynolds football vehicle.
   • MASH* (1970) – Casey’s pick: another messy, masculine, loose 70s ensemble film that features a memorable football sequence.

7. Super Bowl Snacks: The Real Reason to Tune In (85:27 – End)

   • Millie: “Unless somebody invites me to a party where I know the snacks are going to be off the charts, then I usually don’t watch it.”
   • Casey: “I love the Super Bowl. It’s one of my favorite holidays...there’s actually only 11 minutes of gameplay per game, and the rest is just kind of hanging around.” (87:07)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• Millie, on Southern football alienation (04:33)
  “I’m just sort of like outside of this experience of football, which just feels like a very American...fiber of the country.”

• Casey, on football violence (01:58)
  “Football is a violent sport...You really have to like getting hit and hitting people and there’s a lot of boys who do like that.”

• Millie, on Burt Reynolds’ appeal (28:14)
  “He’s kind of for the ladies and the gays...he’s approachable and he’s not...afraid to make fun of himself.”

• Casey, explaining point shaving (45:03)
  “Point shaving is like underperforming so that you can affect the score of the game.”

• Millie, on redemption & The Longest Yard’s ending (57:04)
  “There’s something about the very end of The Longest Yard that feels very prescient and ... becomes the cornerstone of what the movie is actually about, which is the prison industrial complex and the brutality of it...”

• On 70s football culture (52:41)
  Casey: “They were much more like, hey, we’re out at the clubs every night. There’s much more of a party environment...now it seems like they’re in the military...”

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• 00:06 – Football banter & personal sports backgrounds
• 07:31 – Movie + reality TV pairings
• 10:27 – Millie’s Julie Annuary, couch obsession
• 21:48 – Main discussion: The Longest Yard begins
• 28:14 – What makes Burt Reynolds a unique star
• 45:03 – Point shaving explained
• 49:19 – Favorite supporting characters and actors
• 52:41 – 70s vs. modern football culture
• 58:37 – The climactic ending & its message
• 66:45 – Listener voicemails
• 81:02 – Employees’ Picks
• 85:27 – Super Bowl and snack culture

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Tone and Style

Lighthearted, confessional, and highly engaged, Millie and Casey’s rapport blends sharp cultural critique with the warmth of movie-loving best friends. The language stays casual—"fuck it. I could actually sleep on this thing"—but never loses focus on meaningful context for films and the cultural moments they capture.

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Takeaways for Listeners

• The Longest Yard is more than a sports comedy; it’s a snapshot of 70s masculinity, Southern identity, and America’s complicated romance with football and authority.
• Burt Reynolds’ blend of masculinity, self-deprecation, and approachability makes him a unique star, bridging generations of “himbos” and on-screen heartthrobs who don’t threaten.
• 70s sports movies—loose, chaotic, unpretentious—still have plenty to teach us about society, fame, and rebellion.
• For movie and reality TV fans, cross-pollinate your watchlists for some high-low delight.
• And for the non-sports-fan: maybe show up to the Super Bowl party anyway. There’s probably a six-foot sub sandwich in it for you.

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Next week: The hosts will be revisiting Sorry to Bother You (2018) by Boots Riley in honor of Black History Month. Listeners are encouraged to send questions and follow the show on Instagram @dearmoviesiloveyou.

Transcript

[A]

This is exactly right.

[B]

All right, Millie, let's throw the old pig skin around. Throw the old football around. Here we go. I'm gonna throw you a spiral. Oh, and here it comes.

[A]

I dropped it, dude. Sorry.

[B]

Okay. That's okay.

[A]

I actually don't know how to catch a football. I'm like, scared of footballs. Have I told you this?

[B]

Why are you afraid? Just throw it back to me. Okay.

[A]

I don't even know how to auto. I throw.

[B]

That's not how you throw it, but thank you. Here you go. Let's just throw it back and forth now.

[A]

Scared again.

[B]

Okay, okay. Why are you afraid of. Why. Why are you afraid of footballs?

[A]

Well, I caught it that time.

[B]

Barely. Yeah, good job.

[A]

I did a little fumbly. Bumbly. I don't know, I feel like. Listen, I played sports my entire life, but I. They're all. They've all been spherical balls. Like, I don't like this weird almond shape of a ball.

[B]

It is. It is interesting. I think it's the only, like, sport. I guess a puck is differently shaped, but that's not a ball. You know, a football is odd, isn't it?

[A]

Well, and like, I think it's because it comes in all wonky and I don't know how to catch it and then I don't know how to throw it. Are you supposed to put your fingers in the little.

[B]

Put your fingers on the laces.

[A]

Hold on, let me try to throw it back. Oh, sorry. Sorry. Very bad. Yikes. Very bad.

[B]

Well, yeah, it's. You know, I used to throw the football around with my brothers and my dad a lot. Throwing a spiral is. Can be tough to get that kind of wrist action. I actually played football for a brief time, I think. I think I. I think I played flag football in fourth grade and then I played tackle football in fifth grade. And I don't know if you know this, but football is a violent sport.

[A]

You know.

[B]

It was. You really have to. I know this is a funny thing to say, but you really have to like getting hit and hitting people and there's a lot of boys who do like that. But for me, it really rattled me. You know, I'm a poet. I'm a little sensitive guy. So it was very unenjoyable for me. And I was not good, as you can imagine.

[A]

You'd rather have it be somebody chasing you down to pull the Garden State movie ticket out of your back pocket versus smashing you to the ground and flattening you.

[B]

Yes. In this game. I don't quite know what scenario this would be in, but it's some sort of game. Garden State fans try to steal movie tickets out of each other's pockets.

[A]

Isn't that what flag football is? Is that you basically have to remove a flag from your personage?

[B]

Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Yeah, I didn't really love that either and probably wasn't very good. I mean, I wasn't really good at any sports, but I did do tackle football for one year. All my brothers did. And my dad played all through high school and my grandpa played. So we have a proud history of football. There's a story. My dad was a running back and he got concussed during the game and he said he got hit. And the next thing he remembers is all of a sudden he's walking to the bus after the game, he doesn't remember anything. And they were like. They were like. My dad was like, game's over. What happened? And they're like, kevin, you had the best game of your life. You scored a touchdown. So my dad doesn't remember scoring a touchdown or, like, playing the rest of this game, so.

[A]

Well, I am going to have you as my guide for this episode because we are going to be talking a lot about football, which is a sport that I know pretty much nothing about.

[B]

Which is interesting because you're from the south and you got a great college football team in Georgia and.

[A]

But I did. That wasn't the college that I went to. I went to a college that did not have a football team. Casey.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I also have parents. My father is from Europe.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

And so the sports that he played were non contact sports like tennis and golf.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And things of that. He was a runner at one point. So I have the complete opposite heritage that you do because my. My dad never played stuff like that. And then I never went to a college. I had football team. So I'm just. I feel like I'm just sort of like outside of this experience of football, which just feels like a very American. You know, it's like in the fiber of the country and everybody has a thing. And trust me, I know growing up in the south, the idea that I don't follow college football is almost unheard of.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

So anyway, I. That is to say, I am going to be asking you a lot of questions.

[B]

Yeah. Drop the football again. Yeah, sorry. It's gonna be a great episode. We're gonna be talking about the longest yard from 1974. And I think there's something you are passionate about in this movie.

[A]

I was gonna say, I don't know football, but I do know Burt Reynolds, so.

[B]

And then we're gonna listen to a bunch of voicemails. This is a voicemail heavy episode, so we got a few voicemails to listen to, so that'll be fun.

[A]

Great, great, great. All right, well, listen, I'm excited. This is gonna be a very timely episode because we have the super bowl coming up and I know you'll have a lot to say about that as well, so.

[B]

Yep.

[A]

So stay tuned, everybody. You are listening to Dear Movies, I love you. Dear Movies, I love you. And I've got to know if you.

[B]

Love me to yes or no. Check the box below.

[A]

All righty. You are listening to Dear Movies, I Love youe. This is a podcast that is about falling in love with and being in love with the movies. My name is Millie de Chirico.

[B]

My name is Casey o'. Brien.

[A]

You know what I was thinking just now? We should have had the softies record a one off football theme where it's like a marching band. It's like.

[B]

Let'S get them on the phone, see if they're available.

[A]

Sure. Rose and Jed, that's like their worst nightmare escape. Coming up with like a football instrumental football anthem that is played by a marching band.

[B]

Well, you know, in. I think it was like 2008 when the Vikings went to the NFC championship game, which is the game right before the Super Bowl. They were really good that year. Prince wrote a. And wrote and recorded a Vikings song. And I'll try to find it for you. But it's bizarre. It's like a bizarre sports anthem. And I think there he was. They were. I think they played it at the Vikings game. And I think people were like, what is this? What is this song? It's called Purple and Gold.

[A]

Oh, I see.

[B]

I believe that's what it's called. Anyways, I'll find it for you. Millie. Before we get started, you know, we did How Stella Got Her Groove Back a few episodes ago and we were talking about 90 Day Fiance a lot. I. And so I started coming up with like, oh, what are other movies I could pair with a reality television show? And I came up with three. I thought this would be a really good film festival. So How Stella Got her groove back, 90 Day Fiance. Obviously those are comparable, but have you seen Triangle of Sadness?

[A]

Hell, yeah. I'm a toilet manager. What are you thinking?

[B]

That pairs very nicely with Below Deck. Have you ever seen Below Deck?

[A]

I have seen Below Deck.

[B]

There's a lot of storylines in Below Deck that happen in the Movie Triangle of Sadness. Like, it's very funny. Like, there's a part in Triangle of Sadness where one of the, what would you say, attendees or one of the rich people try to get one of the workers to get in the pool with them. Yes, that happens in Below Deck.

[A]

Oh, I'm sure.

[B]

Anyways, and then my last one is Luis Boone Wells. The discreet charm of the bourgeoisie I thought would pair nicely with the Real Housewives.

[A]

Of course. Of course.

[B]

Do you have any others to add to this list?

[A]

I mean, if you had given me a chance to think about it, I.

[B]

Would have probably come up with the next episode.

[A]

Yeah. But off the top of my head, I don't know. I mean, I guess I would think. I mean, I would probably pair Vanderpump Rules with like, I don't know, a porno.

[B]

A porno?

[A]

A bad porno. No, I don't know. I don't know. Let me think about it. I'll get back to you. If anybody has any ideas, though, you should email [e-mail] because I kind of love this idea. We should. We should create a bigger list.

[B]

I feel like there's. I feel like there's more out there. Just couldn't. These are the ones that, like, just came to my head immediately. But.

[A]

Well, and it's funny because I have maintained for a long time that a lot of hardcore cinephiles also have this, like, secret love of shitty reality TV shows. Like kind of a high low thing.

[B]

Well, if you see Steven Soderbergh's end of year watch list, you know, he releases what he, like, watched all year. There's a ton of reality television television on there.

[A]

Yeah. And like, I remember back when you were doing Fart House with Patrick, I loved when you guys, like got sidetracked on like, the Bachelor and all that stuff. It was. I've never seen that show. But I did love, like, the discourse.

[B]

So we really would get going, go ham on the Bachelor. I gotta get back in the Bachelor world. I kind of have taken off a few years, but I gotta get back in. I love the Bachelor. Well, if there's nothing else, should we open the film diary? Actually, mine's pretty light. It's pamphlet sized this week.

[A]

Mine is two. I only watched one movie.

[B]

Do you want to say what that movie is?

[A]

Oh, you want me to go first? Sure, yeah. I mean, I'm kind of hesitant to even log it, really, because we've done an episode about this movie. But the reason why I wanted to say it is because there's been a new development. I have a new side project. Even though I told myself I was never gonna do side projects in 2026. Cause I am trying to de escalate my life. Yes, but. So I rewatched erin Brockovich from 2000, which we just saw.

[B]

So I don't know what the fuck. A few months ago.

[A]

A few months ago. But listen, I got together with some friends and I was like, I want to watch Erin Brockovich again.

[B]

It's very watchable.

[A]

It is.

[B]

So.

[A]

Well, and here's the thing, okay. We talked about, you know, our appreciation for Julia Roberts. I went on a tangent about how I think the reason why she's likable is because she's Southern. And I kind of extended that to, like, generally actors who are from the south seem cooler and more down to earth and just like nicer than, I don't know, somebody that was raised in la. Sorry, whomever. Gwyneth Paltrow or whatever. Julia Roberts seems cooler than you.

[B]

Dakota fan.

[A]

Yeah, sorry if you grew up in la. Timothy Chalamet. But I just, I don't know. Southern people have an innate charm about them. So I was with my friends Ben and Eddie, who I watch movies with constantly, and they came to my house this time because I got a new sectional couch.

[B]

Hell yeah.

[A]

Which I've never owned a sectional before. Do you know this?

[B]

Wow. Sectional. That, that, that, that's like so adult and it's just like so comfortable, you know, you can lie down, Casey.

[A]

Let me. Can I just go on a little, a little rant about my love for a giant couch like this? Because so I've always lived in one bedroom apartments or very small places. The last house that I rented, the living room was so small that I could only fit like a three seater couch in there. And there was really no other room for anything else. Right. And I'm a person that watches movies constantly. And so a living room setup is super important to me because it's like I spent majority of my life on a couch watching shit on a tv. This place has to be decent. I can't just like, it can't be like a couch from a goddamn Motel 6 or whatever. Right.

[B]

But you, you, you know, the thing about a sectional, it really feels like a hot tub. Like, it's like. Yeah. It creates a comfort that is larger than the space itself, you know? Yes, but. Go on.

[A]

Well, and like to me too, as a person that also loves interior design and like, you know, stuff like that, I was Always, like, well, sectional. Like, because sectionals can be also, like, super gaudy, you know, 100% talking about your football things where people have, like, fudgeing coolers in the arms of sex, you know, and, like, cup holders and shit.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

It's like a nightmare, right? So I was also, like, staying away from sexuals because I knew that they were also. They could be really tacky. But in this new house that I have, I'm extremely lucky in the layout of it, because while I don't have a big house for, I do have, like, now a dedicated, Like a TV screening room. Yeah, almost. It's basically like a living room. It's like a room that was created out of a garage at some point, but it's now functions as this, like, place to watch things, which has been phenomenal. Like, it's awesome. And I know that I'm one person and I live alone, but I was like, fuck it. I'm getting a fucking sectional because I can fit one in here finally, and I can have more room to watch it. And so I bought one, they delivered it. It's in my living room now. And it has changed the fucking game so much so that I'm like, fuck it. I could actually sleep on this thing. Like, do I even need to transfer to my bed? Like, I'm just laying on this sectional. And so cut to. My friends are like, what's up with your house? No one's seen it yet. I'm like, all right, it's finally ready. Come over and we'll watch.

[B]

The sectional has been prepared for guests.

[A]

So we gave it a little test run, had two people over. We watched Aaron Brockovich because the. Apparently that's all gay men want to do is watch Aaron Brockovich. And I was like, fuck it. I just watched it, but I'm going to watch it again. So while we're watching Aaron Brockovich, we all decided, hey, I think we should watch more Julia Roberts movies.

[B]

And is this the side project?

[A]

This is the side project. So I told myself, you know what? We're not only going to watch more Julia Roberts movies, I'm going to brand this month Julie Annuary.

[B]

I like this.

[A]

And what I'm going to do is I'm going to put it out on the Internet that January is a month where everybody has to watch Julia Roberts movies. Much like Noirvember.

[B]

Sure.

[A]

Or something of that nature. Julianuary is just a moment in time where people can decompress from the holidays, watch a bunch of Julia Roberts movies, get infused with, like, the million Dollar.

[B]

Smile that she has get infused with your sectional couch. You know, you begin to fuse with that.

[A]

And so we were like, fuck it. Let's not stop at Aaron Brockvich. I haven't ever seen the Pelican Brief. Maybe it's time to do that because it's Julie Annuary.

[B]

See, this is the perfect kind of thing because after the holidays, people are sad and they need something to look forward to. Yeah, that's easy and comfortable, but fun. So I think Julie Annuary is great and maybe we can celebrate it on the podcast officially next year.

[A]

Well, that's what I was thinking, Case. That's why I brought it up. It's my side project that I'm now, like, forcing upon my co host on the podcast.

[B]

It's no force. I accept open arms.

[A]

Well, I'm throwing it out there. This is, by the way, I don't know if I should trademark this or what, but I am. I'll send a letter to myself. I'll mail it to myself.

[B]

You're going to send a sealed letter to yourself and that will copyright it.

[A]

That and I'll be like, I, Millie Nicherco, created Julia Annuary. Rolls off the tongue, as you can see. And so, yeah, let's just start this tradition now. So, yeah, watch Erin Brockvich at the tail end of January, and then, you know, next year, definitely going back full hog. Oh, it's going to be crazy. Sleeping with the Enemy, Mona Lisa, Smile, Fucking Pelican Brief.

[B]

Like America's Sweetheart, Runaway Bride, Notting Hill, Mystic Pizza.

[A]

Definitely all the oceans movies, which that was. The thing is that I was trying to sell Eddie on the ocean's movies. He was like, hell, no. And I'm like, no, no, no. She's good in those movies, man. And they're fun.

[B]

Those are fun movies. Eddie's wrong.

[A]

Thank you. Thank you.

[B]

You know what quote I always think of from Erin Brockovich, like, all the time? Like, it just enters my head. I'm not talking to you, bitch. I love that.

[A]

Oh, my God. That's why the gays love it. Are you kidding me? That's like, exactly the quote that they quoted.

[B]

It's so good and she delivers it so well. Like, Julia Roberts is great. I miss her. I want her in more stuff. I know, I know she's still working.

[A]

But I know Erin Brockovich really reminds me that I don't own any clothing that is tied almost like a football tied with leather string. I don't have any clothing that has that feature.

[B]

And you need it. Is that what you're saying no. Oh, I am.

[A]

I'd be willing to say I'm not that type of person. To own clothing that you must tie together with, like, a little, like, has grommets and is being held together with, like, a sexy leather tie. No, not me.

[B]

All right, well, that's great. I love that you rewatched Aaron Brockovich. Well, I'm done.

[A]

What about you?

[B]

I only watched one movie, too, and it's a horror movie called bone Lake from 2024. It's on Netflix. It's kind of like funny games. It's this couple who goes on vacation to an Airbnb by a lake. And this other couple is like, oh, we also rented it at the same time. Do you just want to share this huge Airbnb together? And this other couple kind of turns out to be sort of villainous and torments the original couple. It was outrageous. In the first 30 seconds of the movie, someone gets an arrow shot through their ball sack. But it was fun. I had a good time. There's no one you would recognize in it. I mean, it is really a B horror movie, but it was. I had a good time. I was entertained throughout the whole thing.

[A]

That's all that matters.

[B]

That's all that matters.

[A]

Yo, Bone Lake is a really tight name for anything.

[B]

Bone Lake.

[A]

I want to start, like, a hardcore band and call it Bone Lake.

[B]

I mean, I called the movie Boner Lake, and it is. That would have been an appropriate title, too, I think, for this movie, Bone Lake. It was shot in Georgia. I know that much.

[A]

Hell, yeah. Much like our movie from today. But it's Bone Lake. Just sounds real tough. Let me throw this out there. Let me set this up and see what you think.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

Millie de Cherco, lead guitarist and singer for Bone Lake.

[B]

Hell, yeah.

[A]

Has collaborated with members of TOOL on a new project. That sounds fucking good, Casey. Come on.

[B]

Bone Lake and Slipknot will be playing at Ozfest this year.

[A]

Did you hear Bone Lake on the soundtrack for Queen of the Damned? Man, they fucking rule. I love that song.

[B]

Oh, God.

[A]

Anyway, sorry, that's all I got, so.

[B]

We can close up the film.

[A]

Close it.

[B]

All right, we're back. It's time for our main discussion. We're talking about the longest yard from 1974. The original one, not the Adam Sandler one, which I have never seen. Have you seen the Adam Sandler one?

[A]

No. And, I mean, I thought about it. I actually did briefly think about watching it for this, and I was like, no. Why mess with perfect?

[B]

Yeah. This is directed by Robert Aldridge, who's like, a classic. He's done some classics.

[A]

Huge fan, by the way, of Robert Aldrich. Huge. He made some of my favorite movies.

[B]

Can you list some of them?

[A]

God, where do I start? Kiss Me Deadly. Whatever Happened to Baby Jane? I mean, come on. Autumn Leaves, which, by the way, I don't know if I've been on my Autumn Leaves tangent, which is this kind of like B mid melodrama from the mid-50s starring Joan Crawford and Cliff Robertson. But fuck, I love that fucking movie so much. It's just like, when you watch an old movie, sometimes it may not be a masterpiece, but it really just fucks with you. And I'm like, I love that movie. He directed that one.

[B]

I mean, he did Dirty Dozen.

[A]

Dirty Dozen, Killing of Sister George. I mean, y'.

[B]

All.

[A]

Y' all gotta watch that movie.

[B]

Shit.

[A]

Hush, Hush Sweet Charlotte. Any, like, Grandam Guignal movie. That's him.

[B]

That's great. Anyways, awesome. He's awesome. Screenplay by Tracy Keenan Wynn. I would say this is a. In terms of genre. A comedy, a sports movie, a prison movie. Burt Reynolds is kind of its own genre.

[A]

Great.

[B]

He's one of the standout actors of this movie, obviously. So I was surprised to see Bernadette Peters in here. Delighted.

[A]

Yeah. She's got big hair in this movie.

[B]

She does. Now, Millie, what's your personal connection to this movie? You're the one who suggested we watch this movie, and obviously we're in the football season, but just curious what you think about this.

[A]

Everybody knows at this point, probably based on my last podcast, where we did quite a few Burt Reynolds movies. Maybe. We did. We did at least one. I think there was maybe one or two more. I'm a huge Burt Reynolds fan by design because I'm from Georgia and I.

[B]

In your jeans.

[A]

Yeah. And I've spent a significant amount of time in the state of Florida as well, which is where my family lives now, because they used to live in Georgia and now they all live in Florida. Georgia and Florida maybe being the two states that are most closely associated with Burt Reynolds, because, you know, Burt Reynolds insisted on making movies down here. That's the thing is that, like, it wasn't just a thing where it's like, well, you know, we're down here getting tax breaks, and I don't really give a shit where I work. No. He was like, make them in these. You know, make them in this part of the world. And I just. I think that Georgians and Southerners have appreciated that about him. And have we've kind of made him our God in that way. We have. I. I dare a Southerner to argue with me, like, especially of a certain age. Like, if you're like, you know, if you were like, at least in your 40s or 50s, you would. You know what I'm talking about with Burt Reynolds.

[B]

Right.

[A]

Significantly smoking the Bandit. We did that, an episode about it. And I literally could not talk more positively about that movie. I've seen it so many times, I called it a euphoric Southern masterpiece. It is. It's also an ACAB classic, which, if you're into that micro genre where people are fucking with the cops, it is a great film. And so part of, like, the, you know, part of my Burt Reynolds love comes from the fact that he also is really into football and played football. And being that I don't know shit about football, he's kind of my, like, conduit to the world a little bit. And so whenever I think about football and if I think about it fondly, I just think about, like, 1970s Burt Reynolds type of football, which feels sort of like dirty, glamorous in a lot of ways to me. I don't know if that's actually true, but this movie is a big part of it. And, you know, I actually think this movie has a lot to say beyond football. I like the kind of the prison politics component of it, which. That's another kind of, like, passion of mine is, you know, the sort of prison reform angle of things. You know, I've talked about this before too, with my. My job and my experience receiving prison letters from folks. So, you know, I don't know. There's a lot going on with this movie that I love. But I will say my personal connection to it is definitely, definitely steeped in the Burt Reynolds ness of it. So here's another pitch for Burt Reynolds. Oh, you may not need one, but I feel like I need to. I need to establish this. Burt Reynolds, to me is an archetype of a Hollywood man that now we've seen in multiple generations. This is just my opinion because at base level, Burt Reynolds is a man, but he also is kind of easy breezy with his sexuality. And he's also, like, not afraid to make fun of himself. He's got this charm to him that I feel like doesn't scare me as a woman as much as some other kind of machoey types from, like, the 70s and 80s. Right. And the ways in which I've seen his archetype sort of, like, persist over the decades is Like, Burt Reynolds is basically like the 70s version of, like, a Patrick Swayze and a Channing Tatum.

[B]

I was gonna say Channing Tatum.

[A]

And maybe now like a Hudson Williams or. You know what I mean? Like a Connor story from heated rivalry. Just like a guy who kind of has guys. Guys. Things about him, but is also not afraid to, like, show his ass and, you know, literally show his ass, like, in Playgirl magazine or whatever, you know, and it's like, kind of. I don't know, for the ladies and the gays as well. Like, it's like this kind of. Like, he's approachable and he's not. Like, he's masculine, but he's also, like, okay with getting naked and showing a little something.

[B]

Well, I feel like Burt Reynolds has this thing, and I feel like Channing Tatum has this thing too, where it's like, yes, we're incredibly handsome. Yes, we're manly, but we've also had to eat a lot of shit in our lives.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And so we've been humbled kind of by the world, and so they just don't give a fuck anymore. You know what I mean?

[A]

Yeah. I mean, it's like they kind of. I say this about Patrick Swayze. I definitely say this about Channing Tatum and perhaps Hudson Williams and Connor's story where they're, like, okay with the idea that people think that they're just, like, pieces of meat. Does that make sense?

[B]

They kind of embrace that.

[A]

They kind of embrace that, and they're aware of it. The. The idea that they might be like, himbos. Maybe that's. Maybe that's the term.

[B]

Maybe that's the connective tissue.

[A]

Burt Reynolds is a himbo. I fucking love himbos. I love this aura. I'm like. I love it because it. Like I said, I think just for me, personally, as a woman, a straight woman, I'm like, this is great. Like, I mean. And I will say, in the longest yard, he's doing stuff at the beginning that's definitely not chill.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

But I also think that, like, that's part of the character arc of him, which we'll talk about later. But it's like, that's the thing, is that he. He does have that, like, manly 70s, like, chest hair quality. But he also is funny and comes across as, like, you know, not taking himself too seriously and is, you know, playful and.

[B]

Yeah. Do you know the singer songwriter MJ Lenderman? He's like a new young singer songwriter, Southern guy.

[A]

I don't think so.

[B]

He's real good, but. And his lyrics are funny. And he has. One of his lyrics is, I've got a. This is sort of nonsensical, but it's like, I've got a houseboat docked at the Himbo Dome.

[A]

Ah, yes.

[B]

Anyways, that's attractive, I think. I think he's majestic. And I. It's hard to. These actors also feel like they've lived lives. They're not just actors. There's, like, something beyond that. They. They're bringing real world experience to these things.

[A]

I. I 100% agree. I. But what about you? I mean, you've never seen this movie before, correct?

[B]

I've never seen this movie before. But I am a big football fan. I am a huge football fan. I watch the Minnesota Vikings every. I watch every game. I watch all the playoffs. I follow it intensely. And I think it's something sort of funny about me because I also like, you know, the Verkmeister harmonies by Bellatar RIP But I also like football, which is like, the most masculine American thing. And maybe that's what I kind of appreciate about it. It's kind of like, so iconic and American. There's something so pure about it. So I love football. And I was going to say your team, the Atlanta Falcons and the Minnesota Vikings have a bit of a shared history, or not a shared history, but there's a very famous game that you guys beat us in in 1999 that was, like, people still talk about as, like, the worst sports moment in their life.

[A]

Really, like, what happened?

[B]

So it was 1999. It was my birthday. It was January 17, 1999. We had this incredible football team. We were historic. We were amazing. Everyone was like, oh, this team's gonna win the Super Bowl. It had, like, famous players like John Randle, Randy Moss, Chris Carter, Randall Cunningham. Huge. I think we were. I think we only lost one game that season. We were incredible. And our kicker set a record. He didn't miss a field goal all season, all regular season, and no one had ever done that before. Incredible. Wow. So to win the game against the Atlanta Falcons, who are also really good that season, but to win the game, we had to kick a field goal. And like I said, our field goal kicker, Gary Anderson, hadn't missed all year.

[A]

Oh, boy.

[B]

He missed the field goal.

[A]

I knew you were going to say that. I knew you were going to say that.

[B]

And we didn't go to the Super Bowl. And my brother Brady, he was like 8 at the time, weeping, screaming, poor baby, weeping. And it was the middle of winter, you know, so there's snow outside and my mom just goes, brady, you gotta go outside. And so Brady runs outside in his pajamas and is running around the house crying, screaming, because he's so upset. And this is actually a plot line on the show How I Met yout Mother. What, that one of the characters is, like, tormented by this event still. So that's our shared football history, which I don't think you realized or knew.

[A]

Well, yeah, I'm sad to say. I mean, I. I like the Falcons in theory, sure, but I just don't know much about the sport at all, I think. I gotta be honest. Maybe it is because of the Southern appreciation for football. That very intense Southern appreciation. I feel like that is something the south and the north, like, the deep north, like your north, have in common. Is this, like, football love, you know?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Because it feels like it's like a Southern thing, but then also it's a.

[B]

It's a Midwestern thing. Yeah, the Midwest and the south is where it really is, especially college football.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

That is where.

[A]

Right.

[B]

There's a deep love where.

[A]

Versus, like, you know, I don't know if you live in Oregon, do you? I mean, I'm sure there are football fans in Oregon, but you know what? I mean, there's a difference.

[B]

I mean, the Oregon Ducks are a very big football team. That's the college football team there. So there is fandom there. But it doesn't seem like. It seems like a lot of players. And, like, a lot of players come from the south and the Midwest and California, too, but, like, everywhere in between, there's not as much. It's not as deep.

[A]

Yeah. I mean, if you can rely on the old key and peel skits for the college football names, it's like, that's so good. There's a lot of Southern boys that. Hinkle McCrankleberry and things of that nature. But I don't know. Like, I think obviously, being a Southern person, like, there's a lot of that in my life. Like, I mean, I just know people whose entire families went to the same college, and they're all.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Like, they go to the football games there. Like Alabama and, you know, whatever. Like Georgia, Vanderbilt, like, all these, like, teams. Right. And I just was so. I think not that in my life. Like, I didn't feel connected to that kind of stuff. Like I said, I went to Georgia State University, which at the time didn't have a football team. Does now. And I just was so scared of college football frat guys in my life that I just was turned off by it all.

[B]

I understand that completely.

[A]

And. Yeah. And so I think that has created this dislike of football for me. And I also just was like, scared of the. The violence and brutality of it. Even though I. I watch other sports that have its own violence sometimes. But it's like, you know, I don't know, I get freaked out. I was a baseball person where I was like, yeah, they don't really touch each other in baseball. There's a lot of stuff standing around. But it's.

[B]

It is a violent sport. It really. That is a huge part of it.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

You know, it is like a war. But Chuck Klosterman actually has a book coming out, it might be out now, called Football. And it's all about football in America and like, more of it as like a cultural institution. Yeah, I'm very interested to read that.

[A]

Well, and it's like, you know, I. Like I said, I don't. I might have my own, like, feelings about it, but I have definitely have had men in my life that loved football and I. I love that for them. Congratulations. You got this thing that you love and it's like, you follow it. And I'm like, you can just teach it. Teach, you know, teach me your ways. But it's also like, I'm fine with, like, not being engaged with it in that kind of.

[B]

Sure.

[A]

College. Like in that Southern way that everybody down here is. But anyway.

[B]

Well, let's get into the movie a little bit.

[A]

Sure.

[B]

Shall we?

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

So this is the longest yard. It's about disgraced former football star Paul Crew, the Wrecking Crew, played by Burt Reynolds. He's sent to jail for kind of going nuts. He like, is drunk driving. He likes hits his girlfriend. He hits a cop. He just kind of like loses it. He's sent to Citrus State Prison where the warden, Warden Rudolph Hazen, played by Eddie Albert. Oh, he's thrilled that Paul Crew is there because they have a semi pro football team made up of the jail guards. And Paul Crew, former MVP of the NFL, can help them, but he says no. He says no to them.

[A]

Let me. Let me say this. You know, part of the joy of living in Los Angeles, I think we've both spoken about this, is going to the New Beverly Cinema on Beverly Boulevard. And they would. I feel like every year they have like a Burt Reynolds marathon.

[B]

Amazing.

[A]

Burt Reynolds died in 2018. Right. And I was living in LA. And I remember everybody at the New Beverly Cinema was feeling very down when Burt died. We lost an icon and they decided to do like a Burt Reynolds, a Thon, basically. And they had done stuff like this before. I think they'd actually probably had him there at one point when he was still alive. But it was like an entire month of Burt Reynolds movies and I went to pretty much every screening and I did see the Longest Yard there. I saw White Lightning and I think I was at Smoking the Bandit too. But anyway, the New Beverly made a T shirt that was basically the Mean Machine jersey.

[B]

Oh, and incredible. That's the team of inmates that plays the guards.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

So the inmate team is the Mean Machine.

[A]

Yeah. And it's such a prized possession of mine. I still have. I was going to wear it today actually, but I, I forgot. But it was like so lovely to be in like the company of people who also like celebrated Bert in this movie specifically because I feel like again, there's also like a whole. They did a whole weekend of Bert without the mustache. And I feel like it was this movie.

[B]

Deliverance.

[A]

Yeah, no, and White Lightning or Gator, I think he doesn't have a mustache in those movies. But you know what I mean? Like, like the idea that I'd around freaks for Burt Reynolds where they would like minded freaks. Oh, they would like program a weekend where it was all his movies without his mustache is fantastic to me. But anyway, well, but speaking to Burt's handsomeness, he's handsome with and without the mustache.

[B]

Yeah. But it is a different personality, I feel like.

[A]

I totally agree and I'm glad that you said that because he starts the.

[B]

Movie with a mustache, but he has shaved. When he goes to prison, they shave.

[A]

It in real time.

[B]

Yeah, yeah.

[A]

Pretty intense.

[B]

How would you describe the two personalities, the non mustache and the mustache?

[A]

Well, I think the mustache is less serious. I think the mustache is way more freewheeling than without.

[B]

Yes. I feel like you see that Burt Reynolds smile with the mustache, but without more solemnity.

[A]

But I also feel. Yeah, he's more solemn. I think he's. I think he, he really like does more character, deeper character work without the mustache.

[B]

Yes, yes, yes, yes. So in this movie, you know, eventually Paul Crew will coach or help coach this team, the prison guard team. And he says that the best way for this because the warden wants this prison guard semi pro team to win the championship because they've been runner up like seven years in a row. But Paul Cruz says, you know, the best way to become better is to like beat the shit out of a crappier team. That's how you get good. And the warden is like, well, why don't you put together A little crappy team of your own with the inmates here and you'll play quarterback. And so they assemble the team. Now, Millie, you said you had some football questions for me. Would you like to ask them now?

[A]

Yeah. So, okay, here's something that I've seen this movie multiple times. Yeah.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

One of the things that I've never really asked about or looked into is the idea that Paul Crew essentially has been out of the actual game for a while.

[B]

Like he hasn't, he hasn't touched a football in eight years.

[A]

That's right. And it's because he was kind of shamed from the sport because he was caught shaving points.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

I don't know what that means. And I was hoping that maybe you could explain to me what that is and like what. Why it's bad. Because that's the thing is that a lot of the people when he comes to the prison, they're like, oh, Paul Cruz here, fuck, that's crazy. But also he's a disgrace because how could you shave points? And that's an American sport and it's illegal and blah, blah.

[B]

So football has a long history of sports gambling. I would say it is. And it's only become more legal lately. But it's been the most bet upon sport, I would say, in history, maybe boxing more. But like football is. A lot of betting goes along with football. And you remember how in baseball, Pete Rose got caught gambling on games and was banned from baseball forever. And he was a manager so he could like make decisions that affect. So you would like bet on the game, but he could also like affect how the game goes. So he's like kind of rigging the system.

[A]

Right. Like for example, if, you know, he bet against his own team, he would try to get his team to lose so he could win.

[B]

Yeah, exactly.

[A]

Okay, got it.

[B]

And sports and point shaving is similar.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

So basically if you bet on a team to win by a certain amount of points, he. He was shaving off points to meet that goal. Sure, basically. So like if you were. If, for if someone bet on his team they have to lose by three points or whatever, he would, he would play badly intentionally so that they would get less points. And either he was getting paid by like people gambling on this or he was gambling on the games himself. But he could affect the outcome of the game.

[A]

And he can.

[B]

Point shaving is like underperforming so that you can affect the score of the game basically.

[A]

And he could affect that because he's.

[B]

A quarterback, because he's a Quarterback. I don't really think anyone else. This happens in basketball more often where, like, a guy will intentionally miss baskets to shave points off the score to affect. To, like, win a bet. Yeah, but, like, as a quarterback, you're kind of in charge of the points. You know, you're throwing the ball, you're handing the ball off. So if you're like, oh, I need our team to lose by, like, 10 points, and we're about. We're, like, on about to score a touchdown, I will intentionally mess up to make sure we don't score to maintain the loss.

[A]

Why are y' all gambling anyway? That's a. Gambling is also weird.

[B]

Gambling is a sin.

[A]

Oh, yeah, it's a sin. But it's also just like. I don't know. I don't have money, so I don't like gambling, but it's. You know, I have people in my life that dabble in it, and I'm just kind of like, okay, y' all are rich. I guess maybe that's fun for you.

[B]

I think they're just desperate, degenerate junkies.

[A]

Junkies for a score. No, I. I guess that you can't. I. I guess it doesn't work to win more points. I mean, that's not.

[B]

No, I mean, that would be like. You'd be like, the most incredible athlete of all time.

[A]

It's like.

[B]

It's so.

[A]

So. Sounds so stupid. I'm like, okay, well, he can shave them all he wants. I guess he can't add. But it's.

[B]

That's right.

[A]

But it's a huge scandal when he comes in to the jail where the people don't like him because they think he's a unreliable.

[B]

He dishonored the sport of football. He dishonored it. And, yeah, there's like a line where it's like, you could have been a murderer, you could have been a burglar, you could be a bank robber. People would accept you here. But to shave points on football?

[A]

Gotta be shitting me. But that's the thing, too, is that. But this movie was filmed in Georgia, obviously. Yes, it was filmed at a real prison, George State Prison, actually, which is a Max. It's one of the Maxs, but it's down. It's like in. Actually, I think it's in Reidsville maybe, but it's, like, down South. And so when you think about that, you're like, oh, well, actually, I think that they say that the prison is. Is in Florida. I think that a lot of.

[B]

Yeah, they do.

[A]

Right. But it doesn't matter. It's in the South. And so it's not as we just outlined. It's not out of the realm of possibility that these other inmates are crazy about football. And they would hate a guy like that to shave points. Like, you could be. You could murder somebody and be chill. But then if you shaved points off of a football game, you're a demon.

[B]

So I'm a demon. What did you think about the other characters in the prison? Fuck with Burt.

[A]

I mean, you know, I love.

[B]

You meet a lot of fellas.

[A]

You know, I love these other types, these character actors that come in. I mean, first of all, I mean, there's a lot of fucking good character actors in this movie. Okay. I think one of the most obvious character actors is Richard Keel, who you.

[B]

Might know from Happy Gilmore. He's the very tall guy who has a nail in his head.

[A]

Everybody remembers him from the James Bond movies. Yes, but he's like, large. He's a large man. And they make a joke about that in the movie. Of course they do. But honestly, my favorite is Caretaker, of course, who is played by Jim Hampton, who many people my age know as the dad from Teen Wolf.

[B]

He just feels like a good Southern boy, doesn't he?

[A]

I actually think he's maybe a Texan or he's from, like.

[B]

Looks like he's from Oklahoma.

[A]

That's right. Which is Southern, but it's a different type of Southern than Georgia.

[B]

That's more like South, Southwest, right?

[A]

Yeah. But I remember him as Michael J. Fox's dad in Teen Wolf, who is also a werewolf. So he's my favorite character. He's kind of the, you know, the little right hand. He becomes kind of Paul Cruz, right hand man, who can get you anything you want in prison, including women to sleep with. And one of the women that ends up sleeping with Paul in the prison is played by Bernadette Peters. And that is a hilarious scene because, I mean, I don't know if we're going to get to that scene, but it's basically like she just kind of decides, oh, I want to. I want to sleep with this inmate. And I'm gonna give him, you know.

[B]

Like, I'm a secretary at this jail, and I'm gonna give him some film footage of them practicing of the other team practicing. So you get an inside scoop. But we are also going to have sex. And she has this giant. It would be a great Halloween costume, actually. Her hair is huge. It's like a giant cotton candy thing.

[A]

Yeah, she's great in it. And then the other guy that I wanted to briefly. Cause there's actual football players in this movie, too, by the way.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

Is this character actor named Ed Louder.

[B]

Yeah. He's got a good look.

[A]

Okay. This is a guy that literally has looked the same his entire life. I mean, he died in 2013, but when I saw him, like, it's almost kind of like you look at him in this movie, which was made in 1974, and he looks effectively the same as he did in, like, his later movies.

[B]

I mean, if you look at a picture of him before he died in, like, 2013, when he's, like, 70 years old, he looks the exact same he did when he was, like, 29 or whatever.

[A]

I know. That's what is so crazy to me. And I'm like, yo, he looked the same age his entire life, but he plays one of the, like, the scariest prison guard out there. But I want to go back to this idea of, like, 70s football being.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

Because I, you know, I work in the exploitation world, meaning I program a lot of movies that are from the 70s. And there was a lot of, like. I think we talked about this with Craig Calcatera when we were talking about, like, athletes that played that were in movies and stuff. There's a lot of that in the 70s. I mean, obviously with, like, the blaxploitation era. But then also stuff like this where 70s football. I feel like Craig makes this point. 70s football seemed a lot more easy breezy than it does now. I don't know if you think that, but it's like there's.

[B]

Well, it is, but it also was, like, so much more violent. Yeah, like, it was more dangerous.

[A]

It really.

[B]

It was more easy breezy.

[A]

Well, it feels like a little rough around the edges. And then also, like, just the idea that these guys were having the lifestyles where they were just kind of like. Like drinking and. And smoking cigars, and they're not, like, you know, performing at max athlete potential. Like, they're not, like, taking their, like, B12 shots. And at this air, it seemed like.

[B]

They were like, much more like, hey, we're out at the clubs every night. They were much more like, there's much more of a party environment. It felt like in football back then, which I'm sure still exists, but now it seems like they're in the military where they have, like, such traffic training and the diets and not eating nightshades or whatever and.

[A]

Yeah, exactly.

[B]

So. Yeah, no, I totally agree. Well, you know, the big thing at the end, it's the game, it's the inmates versus the. The guards. And the team looks pretty good. The Mean Machine, they put a good team together.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

You know, a ragtag crew. Well, there's a lot of, like, also in the movie, in the world of the movie, they're like, yeah, there's a few guys who played professional football that happened to be at this prison as well, who are inmates here. So. But at halftime of the game, the warden is like, you gotta lose by 21 points or. Because sadly, we lose. Caretaker, beloved Caretaker, gets killed by this snitch.

[A]

Fuck. Hate that. Dude.

[B]

That was dark. I was sad when that happened.

[A]

Yeah, I just too. I missed him.

[B]

But he was like, if you don't lose the game by 21 points, you'll be implicated in Caretaker's murder and you'll have to stay in jail for 30 years, essentially, because he was only supposed to be there 18 months.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

So Paul Crew, he start, you know, he does what he does best, he starts throwing the game, but then, you know, he had a deal with the war. And that's like, if we lose by 21 points after we're losing, can you just, like, let us. I don't know, what does he say exactly? He's like, let us have fun and not like, don't try too hard or whatever.

[A]

Well, I mean, he's like, you know, he kind of says to the warden, like, you know, you told me not to win, but you also told me not to lose. And I think that part of, like, what happens to Paul Crew as he's in the prison and he's learning about these guys, and he's learning about the dynamic between prisoners and guards, which is that the prisoners are fucking brutalized by these dudes. And scary Southern prison guards are awful, extra awful, extra scary. And I think he begins to understand, like, oh, like, I know I set up this scenario where I'm just bringing in a bunch of lug heads to, you know, get beat up by prison guards. But now that I'm in it and I'm like, realizing this sucks. Like, I don't want these guys to feel like I want to give them some, like, dignity and, you know, and then, like, so he's basically like, at some point, Paul Krueger even goes beyond that sentiment and says, I not only want them to, you know, have a little bit of, you know, to feel a little bit good about what they're doing, I actually want to fucking kick these guards in the ass. Like, I, like, actively want to shut them down. And there's this longtime prisoner who. His name is Pop. And he's like the lifer. The guy that, like, has been in the jail forever. And he's kind of just like the old man who wants to be helpful and sweet. Sweet. But basically, you know, like, Pop took a shot at Hazen, who was the warden, Eddie Albert. And he's just been in the jail forever, and he was basically like, you know, he made the calculated risk by it with the. The warden, but he did it. And he's like, I don't regret it because I hate his ass. And that kind of.

[B]

He was like, basically 30 years in prison was worth it to punch him one time.

[A]

Yes. And I think that that is something that Paul Crew begins to feel very inspired by at a certain point.

[B]

Yes. And so he sort of foregoes that ration. You know, he's like, you know what? Let's fuck these guys up. And they end up winning the game. Now, for me, personally, 30 years of my life would not have been worth it to win that one game. But that's. You know, I'm not Paul Crew.

[A]

Well, I mean, I. There's a redemption arc, Casey, for him in this movie, which is very strong, and it may have affected his decision to want to do this. There's something about the very end of the Longest Yard that feels very prescient and kind of becomes the kind of cornerstone of what the movie is actually about, which is the prison industrial complex and the brutality of it and the power dynamic between prisoners and, you know, the establishment, you know, so spoiler alert. But this movie was made in 1974, so I don't give a fuck. There's a scene after the game where the warden is fucking crazy with anger that Paul Crew has decided to go against his wishes and actually win the game for the prisoners. And he's walking across the field, and, you know, the prison warden is sitting there with Canower being like, oh, my God, Paul Crews trying to escape. And we are going to have to shoot him dead because he's trying to escape. And there's this really, really, really tense moment where they grab a shotgun from one of the guards, and it's pointed right at Paul as walking across the football field. And the warden is like, shoot him. Kill him. Destroy him. And as it turns out, Paul is simply picking up the game ball to bring to him, and he's actually not trying to escape. But there was a moment where they almost killed the dude. And I was like.

[B]

And if Captain Canower hadn't hesitated and not. He was like, Decided not. Or was a little unsure he would be dead.

[A]

But it's like, you think about that and, you know, I know that the Longest Yard is, you know, a comedy, but if you think about that in terms of just anything that we go through now or have with the police and with, you know, people who are in charge of people who are less than them from a power standpoint. Yeah. That. That moment happens in our lives, like. And it's the moment that I think has created so much tragedy over the years with people. And I just. I don't know, I think about that ending and I'm just like, fuck, you just tucked that into this movie.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And it's kind of crazy to think about, and I. It is profound to happen at the end of this movie, which, you know, has its politicalness to it.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

But hadn't really gotten to that point yet. And it was.

[B]

Yeah. There wasn't a moment like that. Even Caretaker's death is like. It's not funny, obviously, but it's.

[A]

It.

[B]

It's not as dark or. It doesn't. It's not. It doesn't. It's not saying as much as that final moment.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

You know, in the film.

[A]

But to me, as in terms of this movie being a sports movie and being in the canon of sports movies, I mean, I think it's one of the best ones for me and my money. I don't know about you.

[B]

Well, I mean, I love a kind of like, sloppy 70s movie like this where, like, it's just like a lot of hanging out, you know, bunch of. The movie is just like, all right, let's do football drills. Oh, that guy did something crazy. Like, that's like a lot of the movie, but it's, like, so entertaining and it just feels so loose. And movies don't really feel that way anymore. I feel like Richard Linklater is one of the last people to kind of have this more loosey goosey type movies like this.

[A]

Oh, one thing I want to ask you then, to this point.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Because this movie does have a lot of gameplay, right?

[B]

Yeah. And there's actually a lot of football. And I was watching with Trisha and she was like, what's happening? Because you really actually have to know football to know, like, some kind of, like, plot elements. Like, oh, this means that, you know.

[A]

And I love kind of towards the beginning of that, there's a lot of, like, dip ticks and triptychs happening on screen.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

Which feels very 70s movie to me.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

But, yeah, a lot of gameplay to Where, Yeah, I think if you're like me and you don't know what the fuck is going on. I mean, they do these huddles. I think it's like a recurring kind of runner in the movie where the camera is basically on the ground and the camera is being pointed up to like the heads of the people in the huddle, which I think. I don't know if that was established in this movie first, but I feel like I've seen that shot many, many times. Yeah.

[B]

I wonder if this is the first time they did that.

[A]

Could be, yeah. But you know, they're like. It's going through like pretty intense minute by minute gameplay. And I just kept thinking to myself, you know what? I guess I should ask Casey. Why. What is like the quarterback saying when he's basically like 32, 49 red. Yeah.

[B]

I mean, those are, those are essentially plays that he's calling out, you know, and the quarterback is sort of the captain of the ship. So they're like looking at what the defense is doing and set up and he's like, all right, based off that and what the coach has kind of prepared. Because nowadays the they. The quarterback is a little earpiece and the coach will say what play he wants. But the quarterback, it's a quarterback job to get everyone on the same page. So he's yelling out the play to everybody. And it's like a secret code. Sure, you know, to tell the play. But also, each team has their own rhythm and cadence of like when they're going to say hike the ball. And if they can trick the other team into running, like running at them before they say hike, that's a penalty against the other team. So part of it is also some trickery trying to get the other team to commit a penalty so you can move forward as well.

[A]

So, so okay, in that moment, you're saying it's a secret code. Is there. There isn't like a standard rhythm. Like, it's not like you can say like three numbers and then a phrase like grandma's underwear or something.

[B]

Like, I think, I think each team has their own rhythm. There is sort of a standard rhythm for each team and so that like the teammates know he's going to hike it right after he says this. And so they all know to go at this like they preeminent. They. They know he's about to say hike. So they know when to start running and the other team doesn't know when he's going to say hike.

[A]

Basically, yeah.

[B]

So does that make sense?

[A]

Sure, sure. I Mean, I just didn't know if there was a standard where it's like, you say some nonsensical phrase and then two numbers and then hike or.

[B]

I don't think there is a standard.

[A]

I don't know why I said grandma's underwear. That feels weird.

[B]

Grandma's underwear.

[A]

32, man.

[B]

Yeah. Yeah.

[A]

Good thing. Thanks for telling me that. I didn't.

[B]

You're welcome. One thing I feel like that wasn't totally. I don't know if this was clear to you, but, like, there's a whole offensive line that's meant to block for the quarterback. And basically when Burt Reynolds is like, okay, I actually want to win the game, but the team has turned on me, the team is doing nothing. And so he's having to just, like, run by himself to get these points before the other teams. Before his own team starts participating again. But I feel like that wasn't, like, totally clear. That was more of, like, a gameplay plot, you know? So, anyways. Well, Millie, do you have anything else to say about the Longest Yard? Two things, please.

[A]

Number one, I'd be remiss if I didn't mention that the country music legend George Jones is in this movie. I didn't see.

[B]

Where was He?

[A]

I know. Minor role as a prisoner.

[B]

Brave appearance. I like George Jones.

[A]

Me, too. And then one thing I wanted to mention, which I didn't mention when I was talking about the Bernadette Peters character, did you know that her name in this movie is Miss Toot?

[B]

Love it. Ms. Too.

[A]

Ms. Toot. T o O T. What a last name. Now that's almost like bone. What did I say? Boneyard.

[B]

Bone Lake.

[A]

It's almost like Bone Lake. I'd be like, bone Lake is playing with Ms. Toot. The Electro Clash band at Ms. Toot. The new. The newest Coachella. Ms. Toot. Doesn't it sound like the name of, like, Ms. Toot and Chapel Roan are.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Performing.

[B]

I could see it. Kim Petras and Ms. Toot are headlining. Pride.

[A]

You'Re, like, incredible at the skate scene. Wow, that's so good.

[B]

Goodness. Goodness gracious. Well, I loved it. I love this type of movie. They don't make them like this no more.

[A]

Nah, nah, they don't. Well, I'm happy that you enjoyed it. That makes me happy, knowing how big of a football fan you are, that you can like this movie.

[B]

Yeah, absolutely. All right, moving on. All right, Millie, we're gonna listen to some voicemails today.

[A]

Let's go.

[B]

All right, this first one is from our old friend Weezerface Here we go.

[C]

Hey, Millie and Casey, it's Weezerface again. I am this time asking for some film recommendations with a caveat this time, though. So I know you guys are horror fans just like me, and I'd like some horror recommendations. The caveat is going through sort of a heartbreak scenario at the moment and would really like to avoid any movie with, like, a romance subplot, which is surprisingly hard to find for some reason, when I really just want to tune in to see someone, you know, get torn to pieces or a creature feature or something like that. I want to watch people be murdered with no romance storyline tucked into the film. So if you guys have any ideas what films come to mind with that, just hit me up and.

[A]

Yeah, thank you.

[C]

Okay, love you.

[A]

Bye.

[B]

This is actually a challenging exercise because, like, most horror movies have some sort of romantic element in it.

[A]

Really?

[B]

I think so.

[A]

I was. Because, honestly, like, when. When Weezerface was throwing this out there. And thanks again, Weezerface, for calling in.

[B]

I mean, Weezerface. I just bought a copy of the Blue Album because I lost mine. I had to rebuy my copy of the Blue Album this week. So just want you to know that. Continue, Millie.

[A]

I was like, oh, the Exorcist.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

There ain't no fucking romance in that.

[B]

That is true. That is true. Is there not?

[A]

Yeah, I would say no. I mean, I don't even think that Ellen Burstyn's character is. I mean, there's priests. No one's fallen in love with those priests. Yeah, Ellen Burson doesn't have any. She's divorced in that movie.

[B]

So, yeah, Reagan's dad is out of the picture.

[A]

That's right. So there's one.

[B]

There's one that's good, but I'm having, like, a hard time with this. What's another horror movie without a romance element? Hereditary. There's no romance there. I mean, there's a married couple, but not romantic.

[A]

I mean, I don't know. I mean, I. I think there's also a lot of sex in horror movies without romance. So it's like.

[B]

Yeah, but that counts, Millie.

[A]

Does it?

[B]

I think so.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

For the Weezer Faces prompt, I would say that sort of counts. I was trying to think of the Descent, but that also has, like, a plot where, like, someone's cheating on their husband or, like, someone's sleeping with another person's husband in that, you know? So, like, that's a tough one, too.

[A]

So. Okay. The caveat is there's no married people.

[B]

There's no Well, I think you could have married people, but just, like, no love, I guess. I don't know.

[A]

I mean, if you want to even talk about Robert Aldridge and whatever happened to Baby Jane, I mean, there ain't no romance in that movie.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Right. Because I don't feel like either of them have. If I'm remembering accurately, I think either Bette Davis nor Joan Crawford is really in that movie. No one's like, I don't know, dude. I think you're just gonna have to go either really gnarly. Like, real gnarly. But even in, like, 70s Italian cannibal movies, there is sex in those movies normally.

[B]

Yeah. So I. I think the Exorcist is a really good one.

[A]

Thank you. Yeah, I think that's probably right. Is there romance in, like, Blair Witch Project or something?

[B]

Oh, that's a good one, too. No, there's not.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

No romance there. That's a great one.

[A]

Yeah. I mean, and. But yeah, it's true. Because if you think about. Even in movies like the Silence and the Lambs, right. There's kind of like.

[B]

There's flirtation.

[A]

Yeah, there's flirtation. Or sort of, like, weird vibes between characters, if you will.

[B]

Yep.

[A]

But it's.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

So if you want to remove even those things. Yeah, it's interesting.

[B]

How about the Devil's Backbone?

[A]

Okay.

[B]

I feel like that was, like, at a orphanage. And it's a really good movie.

[A]

And you kind of have to, like, eradicate all monster movies, because that's what monster movies are. Or basically about desire. So. That is true. There's a lot. This is actually.

[B]

I think we. I think we gave some good ones, though.

[A]

I think we did, too. But then. Because when I first heard it, the voicemail, I was like, what's the big fucking deal? I just named one. But now I'm like, actually, there's. This is a lot more complicated than I thought.

[B]

So, yeah, you were really dismissive of Weezerface's question, but I'm glad we came.

[A]

Full circle.

[B]

Full circle. All right, let's play the next voicemail. This one's from Gabby.

[A]

Hi, Millie and Casey. My name is Gabby, and I got a little DVD player for Christmas, which is awesome. And so I am rebuilding my DVD collection. Currently, I have the uninvited from 1944, the haunting, the original, and the Haunting of Hill House, the extended director's Cut, and Pride and prejudice from 2004. So I'm curious, what do you all think I should purchase next based off of those current selections? Thanks. So much.

[B]

Seems like she's got some house movies going on.

[A]

Yeah. I was gonna say it's a lot of haunted house stuff, so.

[B]

And kind of old timey haunted house. Yeah.

[A]

Uninvited things of that nature. The Haunting. Did you say the haunting 60s?

[B]

She did okay. Yes, she did.

[A]

Yeah. I mean, honestly, Amityville Horror, the original.

[B]

That's good.

[A]

You know.

[B]

What about House Sue?

[A]

House sue, of course. House on Haunted Hill, the 50s version with Vincent Price. That's probably the most classic. Yes. What else? What else? There's a lot of haunted house movies.

[B]

This isn't really a haunted house movie, but it's like a house movie. I feel like Death Becomes her is a good. In her mansion style house movie.

[A]

You know, I saw that fairly recently in the movie theater. There was this rep screening of it here in Atlanta, and I remember I went with a friend of mine who fucking hated that movie and thought it was. She said that she thought it was the most unfeminist movie she's ever seen. And I was like, wow, I love that movie.

[B]

What does that say about me? I think it's incredible.

[A]

Yeah. I don't. I don't know what it. Now that I'm like.

[B]

Like, I think gay men might cut her head off for something.

[A]

I think everybody was sitting there like, holy. We were like, talking after the movie and like the lobby and all like. She was basically like, God, I hated that movie. Was so unfeminist. I mean, this is like the most unfeminist movie I've seen in a long time. And everyone was sitting there being like, wow, did we see the same movie?

[B]

Well, I'm like, it's not like the movie's saying these women are good and what they're doing is good.

[A]

Yeah. I don't know.

[B]

I was gonna say it's been a while since I've seen this movie, but. Rebecca.

[A]

Rebecca. Yep.

[B]

Does that in Mandalay.

[A]

I was gonna say back to Weezerface's question. I feel like you could not include pretty much any Alfred Hitchcock movies in that because his movies are all about sex and.

[C]

Yes.

[B]

Yes, they are. Any other. Yeah, any other Rex. Was that it for the. The Rex for Gabby?

[A]

Yeah. And I also think she should just buy Elvira Mistress of the Dark just to have it.

[B]

Sure, sure, sure, sure, sure.

[A]

Yeah, that's it. Congratulations on building a. I know. You know, a physical media library. I think that's really good and important.

[B]

So I'm excited for you, Gabby. All right, here's the last one. And this is from Cher. Not that Cher.

[A]

Damn, I thought it was that Cher.

[D]

Hi, Casey and Millie. I'm Cher from Texas, and I'm a longtime listener. First time caller. I was just sitting in my car just now thinking about how I have a little film gripe I cannot stand whenever people quote movies and conversations. And I'm not talking about, like, a say hello to my little friend kind of thing. I'm talking about quoting line after line from the Hangover or, you know, some sort. It's usually a comparable movie to the Hangover, if you know what I mean. But I just. As someone who cannot retain quotes from things like that, I. Even if I've seen the movie, cannot stand whenever people will be quoting a movie, like they have the script embedded in their brain. That's my little film grape. Thanks a lot, y'. All. Love you bunches. Ciao.

[B]

I agree with Cher.

[A]

Ah, you guys would hate this.

[B]

This is a man problem, I would say. I went to high school when Anchorman and Napoleon Dynamite came out, and it was just a riff off every day with all the guys in high school, and I could not remember quotes. I'm like, cher. I'm like, I don't remember these things, but, yeah, I find that annoying. I. A gripe accepted.

[A]

I mean, I. I don't know. Y' all would hate me. I feel like I quote, shut up. But then again, I will say this in my defense. The movies that I quote are usually movies like Robert Aldrich's the Killing of Sister George. Like, something that's, like, nobody has seen and maybe nobody even knows, but I'm such a weird, like, brained person where I would, like, say a quote and maybe not even realize it myself that it's from a movie. I don't know. I feel like I've talked about this recently on an episode where I quote movies constantly. But it's like. I mean, I'm not doing the thing where I'm, like, doing lines and lines of dialogue all the time, but I do slip in little references all the time that are.

[B]

I think what Cher is talking about is where you're sitting with a group of men, and they're, like, saying quotes from the Big Lebowski back and forth. Like, just not even, like, just saying them back. Like, that's the conversation. Them just saying quotes back and forth like that. That's. I don't like that. And I find that unfunny. There's actually. Did you ever watch Lady Dynamite? The Maria Bamford show?

[A]

Yes, of course.

[B]

Well, there's a part where she goes back. Like, she recounts going back to Duluth or, like, when she was, like, working in an office in Duluth, Minnesota, while she was, like, getting her comedy career off the ground. And there's, like, a guy in the office who just quotes, like, movies and TV shows, and people are like, you're so funny. You should be a comedian. And then they're like, maria Bamford. They're like, oh, she is actually a comedian. You do comedy. Can you say one of your jokes? And it's like, one of her weird Maria Bamford jokes, and nobody laughs. But I do feel like there are people who, like, use, like, quotes from movies in place of their, like, actual sense of humor and use it to prop themselves up.

[A]

Sure, sure. Yeah, I. I understand that. And my. I want to. I want to agree with both you and Cher about this, but I'm just frightened that I am that person and I don't know it.

[B]

I see.

[A]

Hell, maybe I'm out of my element, Donnie. Who knows? But I. I'm just saying that, like, I think. I think for me, I recognize how many movies I've seen and how much my life is informed by films that, like, I can't. I cannot be firm on this gripe. Like, I can't. I don't. I'm scared for my own self that I'm gonna be saying, oh, man. Yeah, I totally get it, dudes. And they're stupid movie lines, and I'm, like, going, again, whatever. Like, saying X, Y, and Z. And again, like, even with movies that people haven't even seen, which is maybe more obnoxious than the hangover movies, who the fuck knows? But I don't know. I'm just trying not to, you know, cancel myself, I suppose.

[B]

Okay, you're trying. You're trying to protect yourself a little bit. I understand that, but I. Cher, I see you. I hear you. Yes, I accept you, and I agree with you. So.

[A]

All right.

[B]

Those are all the voicemails we had for today. Thank you for everyone who sent them in. Please feel free to record a voicemail on your phone and email it to our show. We love it.

[A]

We love it. We love it.

[B]

Millie. It's time to move on to employees picks where we recommend a film based on the discussion today. Can you please go first?

[A]

I will. I'm gonna recommend a movie that, if you're a Burt fan, you know exactly what this movie is. In fact, I feel like this movie played. Actually, I don't believe this movie played with the longest yard when I was at the New Beverly. I feel like it played adjacent too. But it's this movie from 1977 called Semi Tough, which when I first saw this movie I was like, nobody in the world has heard of this movie. And I don't know, I was like, this is like such a deeply weird, bizarre film. And I feel like now people are actually like talking about it a little bit more. And I don't know why that is, but it's essentially another Burt Reynolds movie in which he plays a football player. He does have a mustache. He's mustached in this movie. And he's like basically on a professional football team alongside Kris Kristofferson. And it's like this weird fucking. Maybe this is such a 70s thing, but they've got this like threes company vibe where like Burt Reynolds and Kris Kristofferson are roommates and they live with the daughter of the owner of the team who is played by Jill Clayburg. And she's phenomenal in this movie. I fucking love Jill Clayburg so much. And they kind of have this love triangle thing going on. But then there's also lots of talk about self improvement. And there's this whole interesting, extremely famous. Well famous to people who know this movie, let's just say that extremely famous sequence that is essentially the game show host Bert Convey, who was the, who was the host of Win Loser Draw and like Super Password and shit. He plays this like fake meditation, self improvement guru. And there's this whole sequence where I guess like, like they go to this one of these like day long seminars of his and everyone's like pissing themselves on the floor and shit. I mean, it's like really bizarre. This movie is very bizarre because it's supposed to be about football, but it ends up being about all this other stuff. And it's very 70s. And yeah, Bert's very charming. There's a lot of chest hair between him and Kris Kristofferson in this film. And who doesn't want to be Jill Kleberg being fought over by those two guys?

[B]

I love Jill Clayberg. She, I, an unmarried woman is one of my faves.

[A]

Love that movie too. And yeah, RIP Queen, she's fantastic. But anyway, that's my wreck for this week.

[B]

This looks great. I want to watch this right now. It even also has former Minnesota Viking quarterback Joe Cap in a role. Yeah, as hose manning, whoever that is.

[A]

Well, and also like Michael Richie directed it. Who he's made. He made Smile, he made the Candidate with Robert Redford and did like the Bad News Bears and stuff. So he's kind of like Michael Richie's a great director and has like his moments of weirdness. He's got weird movies in his filmography, including Semi Tough. So anyway, you'll love it, I think.

[B]

Fascinating.

[A]

I think you'll love it.

[B]

Okay, very good. I wanted to do kind of another messy 70s movie where there was football. And for some reason I was thinking of the movie Mash by Robert Altman. I love mash. I never watched the TV show, but the movie is so great. And Donald Southern and Elliott Gould, charming as hell. And there's a funny. There's like a section where there's a big football game that's very fun.

[A]

Oh, cool.

[B]

And it gives kind of a. You know, when you're kind of wanting that loose 70s fun movie where there's a. I feel like leading guys like Burt Reynolds or even Donald Suglin, they're kind of like chuckling to themselves or kind of like winking at the camera a little bit. It just feels like there's an easy breeziness to these type of actors that I love.

[A]

I do too.

[B]

Is intoxicating.

[A]

I love it. And I want to. Actually, I haven't seen MASH in a really, really long time, so maybe I'll do that.

[B]

It's so fun. It's so fun. All right, Millie, that's our show.

[A]

Was that fun for you? I had fun.

[B]

I had a great time.

[A]

Okay, great.

[B]

You know, we didn't talk about the super bowl at all. Do you have any super bowl plans? Do you like to do anything during the Super Bowl? Are you even going to watch the Super Bowl?

[A]

No, I am not. Unless somebody invites me to a party where I know the snacks are going to be off the charts, then I usually don't watch it at all and don't participate. The last super bowl party I went to, I went because the host promised that they were going to order the six foot sub sandwich from Publix. And I was like, I'm coming. Let me just tell you, like, I have a friend who, you know, is. Will host parties that. That essentially revolve around these feats of food. Like, you know how like in your towns you probably have like these, hey, come to the restaurant that serves the 96 ounce steak or whatever. He'll do that with pretty good regularity. Like when he hears about like some monster meal that a restaurant offers, he'll order it. Like, there was also a time where he had a party where he ordered this. They used to make this giant pizza that was like 3 foot long or Something and he, like, has he had trouble putting it through the door? They had to, like, put it sideways at one point, and they were being very careful as to not ruin the pizza. But I was like, I love people like that. I'm like, cool, what am I gonna eat? A six foot sub and, you know, on a football thing, because I don't watch football.

[B]

I gotta do that. That sounds amazing. I want to be that guy.

[A]

Casey, I think you easily could be. You just have to, you know, dream it. Dream it a little bit and you can be it.

[B]

I love the Super Bowl. It's one of my favorite holidays. And I love the food and I love the thing about football that works really well with this. Like, the super bowl is like, there's actually only 11 minutes of gameplay per game, and the rest is just kind of weight hanging around.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

You know, and so it's fun. You don't have to pay super close attention, you know?

[A]

Well, and like, to me, like, I. I think to your point and the earlier point, it is to me about the snacks. And I do appreciate, like, I love when I see pictures of people who have made, like, football stadiums out of snacks. Like, they'll make like a model of a football stadium and like, the walls are like sandwiches and shit. Yeah. Do you do stuff like that?

[B]

That's cool. I should. I, I. You know, one year we had a super big super bowl party and I did get a big football cookie. It was like the shape of a football.

[A]

Oh, man.

[B]

And that was good. But I should do. I should get more creative and artistic with my snack.

[A]

Oh, that would be funny. I would come to your house for football.

[B]

If they're doing Millie, you got to come to Minneapolis sometimes. Let's party.

[A]

I will. Once things calm down.

[B]

Once ice leaves. That sounds. Yeah.

[A]

All right.

[B]

So that's our show. If you would like to write in, if you have a question, if you have a gripe, grope or gret or anything, really call in. Write [e-mail] and if you leave us a voicemail, leave it under a minute, please, and record it in a nice quiet space. Don't record it at, like, you know, Monster Truck Rally and you hear Grave Digger in the background, you know, so, yeah, please write in. I love it when you guys do that.

[A]

Fantastic. You know, I have to remind everybody that we're on social media, and I always kind of want to do a thing where I have, like, this entire box full of customized personalized pencils that I made once. I probably have like 300 of them.

[B]

What?

[A]

I know I was like, maybe I should hand out pencils for people to follow our Instagram. Yeah, maybe I'll enact that at some point. But I really want people to follow us on Instagram because I feel like that's where people seem to be congregating the most. We're also on Facebook. It's at Dear Movies, I love you on both. We have letterboxd handles at Casey Lee o' Brien mdecherico. You can follow along with us in real time about what we're watching. And also, Dear Movies, I Love youe is on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts. Wherever you get your podcasts, rate and review the show. Be nice, be kind, help us out. We need you. Thank you very much. Yes.

[B]

Our reviews have, I feel like only gotten kinder as the show.

[A]

I feel like they have too. I don't like to look at them because I. I don't know, my heart hurts whenever I look at stuff like that.

[B]

But yeah, hurts my feelings badly.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

You know the back to your pencil thing. The artist, Penelope Gazin, she used to sell pens and it would say on the pen, this pen has been in Penelope Gazin's butt.

[A]

Ah, she's fun. I.

[B]

She is fun.

[A]

I have a couple of her things, so.

[B]

Oh, you do?

[A]

Oh, fashion brand company. Come on.

[B]

I bought a bunch of clothes. Like her own clothes she was selling from her one time. Yeah, she is so when I was in la.

[A]

She has made really, really fun garments that have no practical use. Like where she. She has made the trench coat for you and for another person to sit on your shoulders and pretend that you're like a really tall person. Have you seen that on her website?

[B]

No, it's really. Someone needed to make that trench coat for that. That's so.

[A]

Yeah. Or like three legged pants and stuff. I mean, it's kind of like hilariously impractical, but some of this, I mean.

[B]

So she made a chair one time and it was kind of like a quirky, kind of like Pee Wee's playhouse style chair. I think it had like a face on it or something. And she was selling it for. I don't even remember what it. But she got all this blowback. They're like, how can you sell a chair for that much? It wasn't like outrageous, you know, it was like maybe 600 bucks or something.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And people were like, how dare you sell a chair? It's not worth it. It looks like shit. And like people came after her for that. So then she listed the chair on her website for like $500,000. And like, you say, like, like. And then like every time she got a new complaint, the price would go up. And so it would be like. It's like up to like a million dollars or something. I wonder if it's even on her site anymore. But it's just funny. Anyways, that's neither here nor there, Millie. Next week we are talking about the film Sorry to bother your, from 2018 by Boots Riley. I love this movie and I can't wait to watch it again.

[A]

Yeah, I'm excited too. I think it's like one of these movies that we just wanted to revisit. So.

[B]

Yeah. And plus, it's Black History Month, and so we wanted to honor a great black filmmaker that's doing great work right now. He's got some new stuff coming out. Can't wait to see it.

[A]

Yeah. And it's like one of these movies too, that we both liked when we saw. And then we wanna revisit it. And so I'm excited.

[B]

Me too. Me too. All right, Millie, I enjoyed tossing the pigskin around with you today.

[A]

Yes. Even though I didn't catch it very well, I enjoyed it too. And thanks for the football knowledge. I literally didn't know any of those things before you told me, so.

[B]

Anytime, Millie. Anytime.

[A]

All right, bye bye, everybody. Bye.

[B]

Bye.

[A]

This has been an exactly right production, hosted by me, Millie DiCerico, and produced by my co host, Casey O'. Brien.

[B]

This episode was mixed by Tom Bryfogel. Our associate producer producer is Christina Chamberlain. Our guest booker is Patrick Cotner, and our artwork is by Vanessa Lilac.

[A]

Our incredible theme music is by the best band in the entire world, the Softies.

[B]

Thank you to our executive producers, Karen Kilgariff, Georgia Hardstark, Daniel Kramer and Millie De Chirico. We love you.

[A]

Goodbye. Be kind. Rewind.