Podcast Horror and Undertone (2025)

Summary

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Episode: Podcast Horror and Undertone (2025)
Hosts: Millie de Chirico & Casey O'Brien
Date: May 19, 2026

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Episode Overview

In this episode, Millie and Casey dive into the 2025 A24 horror film Undertone, a movie about podcasting and podcasters in a genre-bending, modern haunted house setting. The duo explores the portrayal of podcasting in film, rising subgenres of horror, and their own personal and professional connections to the subject matter. The episode weaves candid tangents about identity, adulthood, and nostalgia through a thorough, lively discussion of the film, with signature warmth and humor.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

Introduction and Personal Updates

• [01:55] Casey apologizes for possible background noise, referencing his (fictional) "Uncle Ethan" dying in hospice in the next room. This jokingly sets a macabre, comedic undertone that loops back into the episode’s horror themes.

  • Memorable moment:

    "He's kind of the third co-host of this podcast, frankly. Cheetos." – Casey [03:04]

• [04:02] Millie and Casey introduce Undertone as a horror film centered on podcasting, discussing its relevance to their own podcasting experience.

The Growing 'Podcasters in Horror' Subgenre

• [04:41] Millie notes her initial misconception that Undertone was the first horror film about podcasters, then recognizes it as part of a budding new genre.

• [06:04] Both hosts touch on podcasting realities vs. fictional depictions in film.

  • Millie: "...I don't know if it's entirely accurate that her Riverside microphone showed up just automatically that she didn't have to mess with it." [06:29]
  • Casey: "...There are some truths... but there are other things where I'm like, I don't know about that..."

Tangents: Identity, Fashion, and Nostalgia

• [08:22 – 16:18] After the intro, a candid detour unfolds about the connection between self-presentation, adulthood, and self-acceptance, exploring the psychological impact of work dress codes, peer pressure, and growing out of imposed expectations.

  • Notable exchange:

    "You're a lame dad. You're a fucking middle aged woman. Like, get the fuck out of here. And now we're just like, well, if that's the case, I'm dressing like Elvis Costello... It feels like the instinct of it feels really good even though... the reality that surrounds it sucks." – Millie [16:18]

  • Bucket hats, fashion, and personality: Casey and Millie riff on the transformative power of clothing, using bucket hats and childhood fashion mishaps as a metaphor for evolving identity.

Film Diary Segment

• [21:59] Casey discusses having watched The Housemaid (2025) and rates Amanda Seyfried as the standout.
  • Millie: Jokes about “getting two of the hottest blondes in the business together in an erotic thriller” [26:19]
• [26:45] Both reflect on binging research movies for another podcast, screendrafts.

Main Discussion: Undertone (2025)

Podcasting and Horror Tropes

• [32:04 – 39:10] Both hosts break down Undertone’s setup:

  • Character Evie, a podcaster, moves home to care for her dying mother, continuing her true-crime/paranormal podcast remotely with cohost Justin.
  • They receive a set of disturbing audio files documenting a couple’s descent into supernatural chaos.

• Single-space horror: The film fits into the “one-person-in-a-room” horror genre, drawing comparisons to Paranormal Activity, Pontypool (radio horror), Monolith, The Conversation, Blow Out, and Play Misty for Me.

  • Casey: "I like this device of one person talking and listening to somebody else...it can be done really well and be very gripping..." [34:26]

Generational Horror and Caretaking

• [41:04] Discussion of "caretaker horror":

  • Both hosts express discomfort at the trend of portraying age and decay as “creepy” or as a source of horror.

  • Millie: "Every movie is about, like, an old lady who's a creep... Can we have some respect for the elderly?" [43:34]

  • Casey: "It’s a trend right now, to be like, the scariest possible thing any filmmaker can imagine is a naked old woman standing in a room..." [43:54]

Podcasting Realism, Demonic Intrusion, and Mythology

• [47:07] Both hosts point out how the logistics of podcasting are exaggerated or unrealistic in the film, especially the constant pausing and file breaks.

  • Millie: "Imagine if I had stopped recording now...there’s 40 different files because I had to stop. You’d be like, my co-host is unreasonable." [46:32]

• Mythology layering: The plot’s introduction of the demon "Abizu," who preys on mothers and causes abject horror, leads to a discussion of layered mythology and horror movie logic creep.

  • Millie: "There seems to be a lot of moving parts... a lot of details… I hope I have enough brain space to figure this out." [54:06]

Parallels Between Their Show and the Film

• [50:32] Millie pokes good-natured fun: “When you pitched this movie, you were like, basically, this is us. This is our biography!”
• [53:48] Both acknowledge some similarities (e.g., a woman podcasting with a male cohost remotely, emotional volatility), but laugh at the melodrama and horror elements being a bit much for their own real-life experience.

Horror Climax and Critique of Modern Endings

• [57:44 – 61:13] The hosts recap Undertone’s crescendo of horror—demonic calls, supernatural chaos, mother’s death, and open-ended terror.
  • Millie: "Despite the fact that I was absolutely terrified by this movie towards the end..."
  • Casey: "So many horror movies end this way now... it's just like, let's make it the most chaotic... lights are flashing, screaming, blah, blah, blah... it becomes a little less satisfying, and it becomes less scary, to be honest." [66:34]

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Notable Quotes & Moments

• On caretaker horror:

  "I don't want to be the creepy old person dying in the other room while my vivacious, full-of-life, beautiful daughter is recording her paranormal podcast...” – Millie [41:16]

• On horror's use of aged bodies:

  “The scariest possible thing any filmmaker can imagine is a naked old woman standing in a room... always used as the ultimate jump scare.” – Casey [43:54]

• Paranormal in the podcast:

  “Every time they start recording the podcast, Evie will be like, I’m sorry, can we do this later?... That would piss me off.” – Casey [46:32]

• On ending trends in A24 horror:

  "...first nine-tenths of the film is super quiet, slow, and then it just kind of crescendos into this big fucking mess." – Millie [67:06]

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Listener Mail Highlights (Gripes, Gropes, & Grats)

[79:52+]

• Movie recommendations about artists' craft:
  • Barton Fink, Ed Wood, Living in Oblivion, All That Jazz, Day for Night, The Fabelmans, 8 ½
• Movies that introduced hosts/music fans to new bands:
  • Casey: Shortbus → Animal Collective
  • Millie: Rushmore and Devil’s Rejects as soundtracks that shaped her taste

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Film Recommendations (Employee Picks)

[97:25+]

• Millie: Berberian Sound Studio (2012)— A Giallo-influenced film about the sonic world of horror films.
• Casey: The Vast of Night (2019)— A lo-fi, atmospheric, indie sci-fi/horror centered on radio communication and mysterious signals.

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Timestamps for Major Segments

• [01:55] Start of episode content
• [04:41] Introduction of Undertone
• [21:59] Film diary segment
• [38:18] Plot synopsis and analysis of Undertone
• [41:04] Caretaker horror discussion
• [54:05] Demons in film
• [66:34] Climax and A24-style horror endings
• [79:52] Gripes, gropes, and grats (listener mail)
• [97:25] Employee picks (recommendations)

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Tone & Language

The conversation is relaxed, passionate, and irreverent—often diverging into playful tangents but always returning to sharp, insightful film analysis. Both hosts candidly reflect on their own lives and invite listeners to do the same, combining a love of cinema with relatable, sometimes vulnerable humor.

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In Summary

This episode dives into the intersection of modern podcasting and horror movies through Undertone (2025), using the film as a springboard for broader discussions about genre trends, personal identity, and the behind-the-scenes reality of podcasting life. Listeners get a blend of film nerd commentary, pop culture critique, and the hosts’ endearing rapport.

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If You Missed the Episode:

By listening (or reading this summary), you'll be caught up on:

• The nuances of podcasting depicted in horror cinema and why it’s a rich subgenre
• The ongoing dialogue about aging and care in contemporary horror
• Fun, wide-ranging cultural tangents including 1990s fashion, music taste formed by films, and personal growth
• Recommendations for further viewing/listening in this niche

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Transcript

[Millie de Chirico]

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[Millie de Chirico]

Hey, Casey. How's it going? Good.

[Casey O'Brien]

Yeah, I know. I'm. Let me just get set up here real quick. I'm ready to record. Just let me get some things together here. Okay. Got my microphone here and stuff. And. Oh, I'm sorry.

[Millie de Chirico]

My.

[Casey O'Brien]

You know, Uncle Ethan is really sick right now, and he's really coughing right now, so if you hear some. Some of that in the background. Sorry about that.

[Millie de Chirico]

Oh, okay. Yeah. I didn't know you had an Uncle Ethan. I didn't know he was. Is he, like, living with you? What's.

[Casey O'Brien]

I haven't talked about Uncle Ethan.

[Millie de Chirico]

No. Oh.

[Casey O'Brien]

Well, I mean, he's just in the other room. My door is open, and he's just living on a cot in the other room. And he is dying and in hospice, and he might Pass away during this recording, actually. And it's weird I haven't brought him up before because he's literally been here for every episode we've ever recorded. Yeah.

[Millie de Chirico]

No, never clocked that at all. So. I'm sorry to hear that, Cheetos, that he's not in his best health, though.

[Casey O'Brien]

Yeah. You know, he's lived a long, long life, and I think he's comfortable passing to the other side. But, yeah, he's just. He is right here while we record the. The podcast. He's kind of the third co host of this podcast, frankly. Cheetos.

[Millie de Chirico]

Is he now?

[Casey O'Brien]

I've always felt that way, dude.

[Millie de Chirico]

I kind of say it's kind of. Kind of freaky. I don't know. I don't know what I'm feeling right now.

[Casey O'Brien]

I understand. I hear you when you say that. But maybe we can just, you know, get this episode rolling. So, you know, don't worry about him. He won't. Hopefully he doesn't get up and walk around. I mean, I can't imagine he would since he's knocking on death's door right now, but if he does, don't be alarmed. He's harmless. So.

[Millie de Chirico]

Yeah.

[Casey O'Brien]

But. Yeah, I mean, we. We got a big show today, Millie. A lot to talk about.

[Millie de Chirico]

Certainly do. We're doing another movie that's, I guess, technically still out in movie theaters, but also kind of available. I think it's available now on streaming, but it's kind of. It's like a new release. It's new release prices, if you know what I'm saying. Right.

[Casey O'Brien]

Yeah, I. Yeah, this might not be in theaters by the time this episode comes out, but it. It is definitely streaming right now, so you can watch this. But we're talking about the movie undertone from 2025, which is a movie you, Millie, mentioned on the show previously, and because it has to do with our profession.

[Millie de Chirico]

Yeah. I erroneously brought to the table that this might be the first horror movie about a podcast or about podcasters, and I think I was wrong.

[Casey O'Brien]

Well, I. There. I think it's a. It's a burgeoning genre. I think there's very few entries into this genre, so I don't think you're. You're far off.

[Millie de Chirico]

Well, at least this is a newish A24 film, which I suppose has a little. Gives it a little umph. And I thought, why not? Let's make it an episode. After I logged it into my film diary, and you and I were like, we're gonna have to. Because this is the story of this podcast, essentially, it may be more than one way now that I know about Uncle Ethan.

[Casey O'Brien]

So, yes, I mean, it's life is really imitating art here. Or art imitating life, I should say. So I'm excited to get into this. I'm excited to talk about podcasting.

[Millie de Chirico]

Thrilling topic that I'm sure all these people love to. They want to hear two podcasters chop it up about the ins and outs, craft their craft. Oh, boy.

[Casey O'Brien]

Oh, we'll get into it there. Yeah. I mean, there's some truths. I think I felt like there were some things in this movie where I was like, oh, yeah, that's what it's like, you know, recording remotely a podcast with your podcast partner. And then there are other things where I'm like, I don't know about that, but. And I'm sure everyone's really looking forward to meet, like, poking holes in the validity of the podcasting in this movie. So, you know, strap in.

[Millie de Chirico]

You know, I don't know if it's entirely accurate that her Riverside microphone showed up just automatically that she didn't have to mess with it.

[Casey O'Brien]

Yeah, we got. We have a long list that really

[Millie de Chirico]

took me out of the movie, but also we have some GGGs later in the episode.

[Casey O'Brien]

GGGs. There's some good ones. I'm excited. There's some good ones in there.

[Millie de Chirico]

I'm excited, too. All right.

[Casey O'Brien]

But that's about it.

[Millie de Chirico]

Okay, well, stay tuned. You are listening to Dear Movies, I

[Casey O'Brien]

love you, Code Red Mountain Dew.

[Millie de Chirico]

Dear movies, I love you, and I've got to know if you love me too. Yes or no?

[Casey O'Brien]

Check the box below.

[Millie de Chirico]

Yes. Yes. Folks, this is the podcast you, Movies, I Love youe. It is for those who are in a relationship with the movies. My name is Millie de Chirico.

[Casey O'Brien]

My name is Casey o', Brien.

[Millie de Chirico]

And like we've just told you, we are focusing on a movie we called undertone from 2025. It is a podcasting slash podcaster horror film. So, you know, we had to do it.

[Casey O'Brien]

We had to.

[Millie de Chirico]

And, yeah, I'm excited to talk about this new A24. Newish. I mean, it came out, like, 20 or 2025. Yeah. But I didn't see it until, like, very recently, so, yeah, it's one of

[Casey O'Brien]

those that said it came out in 2025, but it actually is, like, came out like, a few months ago, I think, in theaters, so.

[Millie de Chirico]

Your sunglasses are on.

[Casey O'Brien]

I'm back in my Reservoir Dogs mode.

[Millie de Chirico]

You also. They also kind of like shades of Elvis Costello, too. Cool. Yeah.

[Casey O'Brien]

Yeah. I don't know, maybe. Can the listeners tell that when I don my sunglasses, a new energy came over me, a new personality.

[Millie de Chirico]

I know it's like you feel very like cool and masculine and in control

[Casey O'Brien]

and have you ever bought new clothes and you're like, oh, my purse. I'm actually going to change my personality now to fit these outfit because I look like a different person than I did before and I want to change who I am entirely. And so I'll just be this new person from this minute forward. Have you ever had that sensation? Of course.

[Millie de Chirico]

I mean it's happened my entire life. But there was this one. This became kind of an inside joke between me and my old co worker Eric, who is a dear friend of mine. We started TCM Underground together, but we worked at TCM together for many years. And he loves to point this out, which I let. I let him do it because it is ridiculous. So when I first started at TCM, I was like 23 years old.

[Casey O'Brien]

Jesus Christ.

[Millie de Chirico]

I don't. I was. I mean, can you imagine having a. Like I was told by several friends of mine, both at the time and like even now where they were like, you were the first friend that I knew that had a 9 to 5 job.

[Casey O'Brien]

I didn't have a real job till I was 30 years old.

[Millie de Chirico]

Really?

[Casey O'Brien]

One that you would. A nine to five Monday through Friday? No, I mean I was working that whole time for most of it, you know, but I. Everything was, it was chaos. So I would have loved to have had a 9 to 5 at 23 years old.

[Millie de Chirico]

Well, I mean, it was a blessing and a curse. I mean, because prior to that I was waiting tables and working in record stores, you know, doing all this stuff, which I'm happy to do. Like I was like, oh, it doesn't matter if, if I didn't have. If I hadn't gotten this job, I probably would have still continued to work in these places. But I was lucky enough to land this TCM gig which, you know, as a film programmer, I was like, this is fucking awesome. And it just happened to be in a corporate environment, in a desk job, nine to five job. So. But a lot of my friends were like, holy shit. And I remember I was still trying to be a DJ and still try to go out all the time. Cause I was 23 and it just wasn't working. Like I was like, I was having a hard time. So I think probably because of that and also just, I think I had this like vision of myself that I was a lot more rougher on the edges than somebody who would normally be in that working environment.

[Casey O'Brien]

Yes.

[Millie de Chirico]

Because I would come to work and there is no dress code at this company, obviously, because we're in entertainment. Right. Everybody's kind of walking around wearing their fucking whatever, Pixies T shirts or whatever. But I for some reason was like, dude, I'm a mess. I'm going to have to go and get like adult clothes.

[Casey O'Brien]

Yeah.

[Millie de Chirico]

And I remember I need to get

[Casey O'Brien]

like Hillary Clinton pantsuit.

[Millie de Chirico]

Yes, yes. I need to look like, you know, somebody that works at an office. And I went and bought all of this like crazy like sweater set type of stuff where it was like beige, like cable. I remember it was a cable knit beige sweater set that was like a top with like a little cardigan.

[Casey O'Brien]

Yeah. And then I. I can see it

[Millie de Chirico]

in, you know what I'm saying? And I tried wearing these clothes the entire, like first, like maybe two years that I worked at tcm. And there we had a group photo at one point and there was a group photo of everybody that works at the network. And then there's me standing next to Eric wearing this beige sweater set. And he fucking constantly points that out. He was like, remember when you thought you could be like a normal person and you were wearing beige in that one photo of all of us at the fucking this and that. And I was like, dude, you're skewering me right now, but I kind of deserve it. I don't know what I was thinking, but honestly, I was feeling the pressure of, you know, I was like, God, I'm like, I need to be an adult. I can't just like walk around looking like a shithead. I gotta like be a real person. And then I forget, like, I just don't think I can be that beige sweater set person.

[Casey O'Brien]

It is funny when you're, when you're a young person. And I remember feeling this like a lot. You're like, oh, I want to be taken seriously as an adult. And I. So I feel like young people a lot of times come across much more serious and intense than like older people. You know, I remember just being like, I want to be taken seriously. I want to be thought of as an adult. So I'm not going to joke around and I'm going to be really serious. And it kind of makes you. And now as an older, you know, a person in his late 30s, if you act really seriously, I feel like that is sort of a sign that. A signal that you're like, young, you know, when you like, take things too seriously.

[Millie de Chirico]

Well, yeah. It's. It's very true. And I will tell you now that I'm on this. So, you know, I think for me, and I won't say that this is a thing for women, even though it definitely is, but I think men experience this too. Like, there's this weird pressure in the 20s, and especially in the 30s to be like, I have to be an adult, because being adult means that I'm not weird enough to be married and have kids and own a house. Like, there's the pressure of the, like, normal life. That help. That, like, really helps you come up with these, like, delusional thoughts of, like, well, I can't wear my cramps T shirt and these jeans because then if I do that, people are going to think I'm too weird and I need to find a husband in order to have kids and they're not going to give me a mortgage and I'm not going to be able to buy a car. Like, it's like that delusional thinking of, like, I need to, like, normalize myself in order to, like, become part of the status quo. Right?

[Casey O'Brien]

Yes. Yeah.

[Millie de Chirico]

And that is the pressure that exists until one day you're too old to, like, have a fucking kid, really, or you've been divorced a couple times. You're like, life just hits you and you've become older, and then all of a sudden you're like, oh, guess what? That pressure doesn't exist anymore. I guess I'm just gonna be as weird as fucking possible. And that's how I feel right now.

[Casey O'Brien]

That's great.

[Millie de Chirico]

And a lot of my friends in their mid to late 40s have begun to just jump ship from that whole, like, no one's wearing a beige sweater set. In fact, if you do, you're weird.

[Casey O'Brien]

Eric's gonna score you.

[Millie de Chirico]

Yeah, but you're weird.

[Casey O'Brien]

Like, yeah, you're weird.

[Millie de Chirico]

You have the Runway for it. Like, you're like, no one is looking at my stupid ass anymore. Might as well just get a bunch of tattoos and wear my weird shit. I mean, I feel like I'm kind of a second teenage experience right now.

[Casey O'Brien]

I. I hear that completely. I feel like I'm similarly going through a. You know, after I became a dad, you do have kind of a. Not a crisis, but you kind of, like, evaluate who you are as a person and as an individual, and you're like, I'm not gonna. I. I don't have time to, like, care about this shit anymore. And I feel a freedom recently that I hadn't felt for, like, maybe My whole life just to like, truly be weird and like be myself and because, you know, when you become a dad, you become an ultimate loser and like, who gives a fuck anymore, you know? So that's. I'm kind of in a similar spot as you, Millie.

[Millie de Chirico]

That's so funny. That is kind of true. I mean, it's kind of like, it's like the. It's like we're both experiencing ways in which like, the culture is like putting us out to pasture basically. Yeah, okay, that's it. Goodbye. Like, you're a lame dad. You're a fucking middle aged woman. Like, get the fuck out of here. And then now we're just like, well, if that's the case, I'm dressing like Elvis Costello when I'm going to record my podcast or I'm going to like get a tattoo of my dog on my fucking arm and not care. Like, I just am like. It feels like the instinct of it feels really good even though, like the reality that surrounds it sucks. And I wish. Yeah, wouldn't happen right for us. But to your original point, yes. I have experienced the feeling of trying to be somebody that I'm not via the clothes that I bought. And I can't even tell you where I bought that sweater set. I think I probably bought it like Upton's. Did you guys have Upton's?

[Casey O'Brien]

No, we didn't have Marvin's. Did you have Mervyn's of California? We had that. Yep, yep, yep, yep.

[Millie de Chirico]

No Macy's though. Macy's or Riches.

[Casey O'Brien]

We had Macy's. Yeah, we had Marshall Fields.

[Millie de Chirico]

Oh, that's a Chicago thing. I remember from Chicago.

[Casey O'Brien]

Yeah, that's a midwestern thing. But those are like not. Those don't exist anymore. Marshall Fields. I don't think I was gonna say. I remember when I was in middle school and you know the band, the New Radicals, you only get what you give. You know how the guy had a bucket hat and buckets hats were like really big at the time. They kind of back, They're. Oh, they're not kind of back. They're big back. And I did buy a new one, but I remember being. I think it was either at the Gap or Old Navy and they had. They were selling like a bucket hat and I thought it was really cool. And I remember putting it on in the dressing room and looking at myself and being like, your life begins today. I was like, you are gonna be. This will make you so popular. You look so good. I was like, it was like I had been hit by lightning. I mean I felt so incredible and I was like, my life is gonna change because of this bucket hat.

[Millie de Chirico]

I can imagine, I can imagine you in that dressing room. Like suddenly the fucking floor slides and you're in that jamiroquai virtual insanity video with your K. That is.

[Casey O'Brien]

It was a real cinematic moment. And I still remember that feeling to this day and being like, my God, wait a minute.

[Millie de Chirico]

Have I ever seen you in a bucket hat? Have you ever worn a bucket hat on the podcast?

[Casey O'Brien]

No.

[Millie de Chirico]

So this is something you do when you're off time. You just wear a bucket?

[Casey O'Brien]

Well, Trisha bought me a bucket hat for like summertime, so it's more of a summer outdoor wear thing. It's, Yeah, I do that in my free time.

[Millie de Chirico]

See, I, I, I want to be a bucket hat person because quite honestly, I say a lot of Japanese, cool Japanese people bucket hats. And I'm like, I love that look, but I don't think it's my look. I think I look weird in one.

[Casey O'Brien]

I feel like doesn't the gorillaz guy, Damon al barn he wears, I've seen him in a bucket hat and he looks good.

[Millie de Chirico]

I know. I feel like you gotta have like a really specific joie de vivre.

[Casey O'Brien]

Well, I only dress like a reservoir dog during recording, so it would really be hard to incorporate a bucket hat right now.

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[Casey O'Brien]

Millie, I could talk about this. I could talk about bucket hats for the next 90 minutes, but we have to move on to our film diary. Let's open them up. Yikes. Oh, yours is fucking heavy.

[Millie de Chirico]

Fucking huge this week.

[Casey O'Brien]

And it's kind of interesting because every single one of the movies you watch this week, I also watched.

[Millie de Chirico]

You watched him a lot earlier than I did when you logged some of these. I mean, this is the thing about you. This is Capricorn Energy being like, listen, I have an assignment. It's not due for like a month, but I'm just gonna get started on it because, you know, I'm responsible and I get shit done, whereas my stupid Aries ass is like, yo, I have like two days before I gotta watch seven movies.

[Casey O'Brien]

Are you one of those people, though, that are like, actually, I kind of like the pressure. I like the deadline. I like being put. I kind of like, get kind of a high from, like, it being risky or are you in absolute, you know, misery when you're pushed to the limit like this?

[Millie de Chirico]

It's both. It's like miserable but a fucking rush. I mean, I mean, listen, I'm a crazy fire woman. I get a kick out of like, a little bit of danger, right? Yeah, but I, it. I'm in agony. I'm in turmoil. Like, where I will call every single one of my friends to be like, oh, my God, my life is fucking terrible. Oh my God. And like, I've been told by several real therapists and astrologers that I need to stop, like, living on the edge. Like, I like. I need to build in more time for things like this. And I always forget.

[Casey O'Brien]

Yeah. So I would say my kind of approach to life is like, I love a charcuterie board. I love getting, like, a cracker. Like, I'm snacking. I'm just taking little bits, you know, And I kind of approach. Work that way where I'm like, oh, if I can just, like, take a little bit of that. Take a little bit and, like, keep moving, you know? I don't like big. I don't like big, bulky things I have to do. Like, if I had to watch a million movies, you know, in 24 hours, I like to spread it out a little bit.

[Millie de Chirico]

Yeah, you're not.

[Casey O'Brien]

Does that make sense?

[Millie de Chirico]

Yeah. You're not somebody who eats nothing all day and then binge eats, like, a Thanksgiving dinner for, you know. Yeah.

[Casey O'Brien]

Yeah.

[Millie de Chirico]

I wish I could be like you did. You didn't give me time management tips.

[Casey O'Brien]

I. If it's any consolation, I'm tormented by myself all the time with, like, keep trying to keep order of my life, and it's not. It's not a picnic. I'll just say that much. Well, Millie, I'll go first because I just watched one movie this week. I watched The Housemaid from 2025 with Sydney Sweeney and Amanda Seyfried, directed by Paul Feig. This is kind of his, like, pulpy. One of his, like, pulpy, kind of soapy drama that he's put out recently. Like, a Simple Favor. And I really like these type of movies that he puts out. I think they're really good, and I think he does them really well. And I thought this was, like, pretty fun and effective and satisfying. And I love Amanda Seyfried. I think she's great. I think she really kind of is the driving force of this movie. Or, like, she kind of centers it and, like, keeps it on its rails. Because I feel like Sydney Sweeney, I haven't been wowed by her in anything. She's fine in this. But I feel like Amanda Seyfried is the one that's really making this. Really making this movie kick. It's really kind of giving it its flavor. And so I really enjoyed this. I thought this was fun.

[Millie de Chirico]

Okay, cool. Yeah. I, for some reason, had assumed that it was a remake of the 1960s Korean film the House made, but I was wrong about that. And you got two of the hottest blondes in the business together.

[Casey O'Brien]

That's right.

[Millie de Chirico]

In an erotic thriller.

[Casey O'Brien]

Yep. It was a Good time.

[Millie de Chirico]

I'm intrigued.

[Casey O'Brien]

Kind of like the movie we're talking about today. It basically takes place in one house.

[Millie de Chirico]

Yeah, well, so it's good.

[Casey O'Brien]

It's good. It's, like, pretty campy and, like, fun.

[Millie de Chirico]

All right. I should watch it. Yeah, I'll put it in my watch list on letterbox. Is that all for you this week?

[Casey O'Brien]

That's it. That's all I got because I watched a lot of the movies. I actually did watch a lot recently, too. I didn't. I didn't spread it out super evenly, so maybe we should just say Millie and I just guested on another podcast called Screen Drafts, where we're talking about all of Frank Hennan Lauder's movies. And so we both had to watch all of his movies, which is seven movies, to prepare for this podcast.

[Millie de Chirico]

Yes. And it's out now, so you should check it out. Just google it. Screen drafts.com. is that where it is?

[Casey O'Brien]

Yeah, Screen Drafts. Yeah, I think you can just Google it. That should be fine. Or search for it in any of your pod catchers. But we're on it with Lucy, which was fun. It was fun to chop it up with our good pal Lucie on there. So check it out. It was. It was a good time.

[Millie de Chirico]

It was, you know, a lot of research that went into this, which is why I watched seven. I'm logging seven movies this week. I won't go into them because quite frankly, just listen to the Screen Drafts episode. We go into them.

[Casey O'Brien]

Yes.

[Millie de Chirico]

And rank them, which I think is the most important part, by the way.

[Casey O'Brien]

Yes.

[Millie de Chirico]

Yeah.

[Casey O'Brien]

Yes.

[Millie de Chirico]

But to that end, this week I watched Frankenhooker. Bad biology, Brain damage, Basket Case one, Basket Case two, Basket Case three, and the documentary Herschel Gordon Lewis, the Godfather of Gore. And that is what I did this week in a very short period of time.

[Casey O'Brien]

How did you feel binging all these movies in a short amount of time? Do you feel, like, affected your personality?

[Millie de Chirico]

Oh, yeah. I mean, speaking of brain damage, I mean, if you know anything about Frank Hennon Lauder films, it was like watching all of these movies together was kind of like I was having a couple of weird dreams on some of the nights that I was doing this. I will say, though, Frankenhooker, no spoilers for that Screen Drafts episode. But, man, that movie, I had not seen that in fucking forever. Wow. It is what a motion picture.

[Casey O'Brien]

That is what a piece of art. I love the beginning of that movie because it's like you're shot out of a cannon, because in the first two Minutes of the movie, you learn he's a mad scientist and his wife gets obliterated by a lawnmower that he invented. A remote control lawnmower. I mean, it happens so fast. It's like crazy. And yeah, I love that film.

[Millie de Chirico]

Yeah, you're kind of thrust into it, but it just, like, conceptually is so wild and also just like. There's just so many. There's just so much going on in that movie that's just insane. But then I'd never seen bad biology before. It was a first time watch for me.

[Casey O'Brien]

Yeah.

[Millie de Chirico]

And, yeah, that was interesting just to watch. Having not seen it before.

[Casey O'Brien]

It was kind of interesting to watch a Frank Hennon Lauder movie that's like in the modern era.

[Millie de Chirico]

Yeah, you know. Yes, exactly. But anyway, that's really it for this one. Yeah. For me.

[Casey O'Brien]

Check out the screen drafts episode.

[Millie de Chirico]

Please do.

[Casey O'Brien]

For the love of God, check out that episode. We did so much work to be on that show. You should check it out. Please.

[Millie de Chirico]

And Casey's really funny at it too, so you should.

[Casey O'Brien]

No, I'm. I'm just a. I'm a tool. And Millie's charming as hel.

[Millie de Chirico]

Will you stop it with the negativity, please? Please.

[Casey O'Brien]

You're right. I am cool. I need to put on my bucket hat.

[Millie de Chirico]

Your sunglasses are on. How could you be in sunglasses and say that about yourself?

[Casey O'Brien]

You're right, Millie. God. All right, well, let's close her up. Close Kachun. All right, moving on. It is our main discussion. We're talking about the movie undertone from 2025. Also, my uncle Ethan did pass away, and so he's not invited. Rip Uncle Ethan send flowers. He wanted to die, I think. Okay, so Undertone, directed by Ian Tawassen, screenplay by Ian Tuasen. This is a horror movie. This is a podcasting movie. This is not. This is. It's kind of a genre unto itself, like low budget horror that takes place all in one house. Like that almost is kind of its own genre. I was sort of thinking of Paranormal Activity and stuff, so it kind of falls into that genre, too. Actors I'd never heard of. Well, I guess that's not true. The actors who are in it, nina Kiri, Adam DeMarco, who plays Michael Imperioli's son on the second season of White Lotus, and then Michelle Duquet. There's not many people in this movie. So, Millie, what's your personal connection to this movie?

[Millie de Chirico]

Nothing, beyond the fact that I do a podcast. What about you?

[Casey O'Brien]

That's also my personal connection to the Movie. I do a podcast. I enjoy film. That's about it. I do. You know, if we move on to the comps section, I do love a one person in a room talking to other people, like, on the phone or over the radio. I like this kind of device of one person talking and listening to somebody else. And I don't. I don't know how to quite put that into words, but I like that kind of genre, you know? Have you ever seen the movie Pontypool from 2008?

[Millie de Chirico]

No. Is that the other podcast movie?

[Casey O'Brien]

It's a radio movie.

[Millie de Chirico]

Okay.

[Casey O'Brien]

And it's, like, all a radio dj, and there's, like, a zombie outbreak outside of the radio station, and he's having, like, people are calling in, talking to him. It's good. It's effective. But some other comps I had for this were Monolith, which is a movie I've. I talked about before, from 2022. An Australian podcasting movie.

[Millie de Chirico]

Yes.

[Casey O'Brien]

And then there's this movie called the Vast of Night, from 2019, which is, like, about a small town, and there's, like, an alien abduction, and it's like these young kids are trying to kind of figure out what is going on, if aliens came. And a lot of it, a lot of. There's, like, long scenes where, like, someone's on the phone with somebody else, and it's very effective. Did you have any other comps for this movie, Millie?

[Millie de Chirico]

I mean, I just kept thinking about films that deal with audio, so. Like, the Conversation by Francis Bard Coppola and, like, De Palma's Blowout and even. And then I started thinking about stuff about radio, like 1971's play Misty for me, the Fog, like, that kind of stuff.

[Casey O'Brien]

Yeah, yeah.

[Millie de Chirico]

But, yeah, I mean, I don't know. I think that's pretty much it. I mean, I'm sure there. There's a lot more. I mean, sure, listen, we can go back into the George Brent era and talk about radio movies if we really wanted to, but, you know, I. I

[Casey O'Brien]

think it's kind of an effective movie device where there's, like, a person listening to somebody else's story, and we're just watching the person listening. And visually, you think that would be kind of boring, but I think it's kind of interesting and it can be done really well and be very gripping, you know, definitely.

[Millie de Chirico]

It can definitely be very suspenseful. And also, there's a feeling, too, of helplessness when you're, like, disembodied from, like, something that's happening, like, and you can only hear it and it's happening over something else. So terrifying.

[Casey O'Brien]

Terrifying indeed.

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[Casey O'Brien]

well, I'm gonna get into the synopsis here. Our main character, Evie, played by Nina Curie, she's moved back in with her mom, who is dying and is, like, seconds away from dying. Kind of crazy. She's in the hospital in hospice. She could go any day now. So Evie, she's got a shitty boyfriend, too, who sucks. Everything sucks. But she has a hit horror paranormal podcast with her pal Justin, who's voiced by Adam DeMarco, and he lives in London. So they're doing this ostensibly in the way that Millie and I record the podcast over the Internet, you know, remotely from each other. And did you. It was their podcast a hit. Did you. Did you get that feeling that they're like, it's a successful podcast.

[Millie de Chirico]

I mean, it felt like, let's get serious. It felt like it was dabbling in the true crime genre. So there's probably some level of success just by nature of that.

[Casey O'Brien]

Yeah.

[Millie de Chirico]

I mean, I don't know. Was she wearing fancy jewelry and carrying a Louis Vuitton bag?

[Casey O'Brien]

And it didn't seem like they have some listeners, though. So Justin, it's a paranormal podcast, and they present, like, real paranormal stories. And Justin, he's a believer, and he. The format of the podcast is that he's a believer and he presents these submitted paranormal stories to Evie. And then Evie's the skeptic, and she just will be like, that's fake. Like, over and over again with no real argument backing up why she thinks it's fake. But she is recording her podcast in her childhood home, and her mom is, like, dying in the other room, much like my uncle Ethan. RIP One day, Justin receives an anonymous email with 10 audio recordings. They are recordings that a married Couple Mike and Jessa made to document Jessa's sleep talking and walking. And they play some of these on the show and in them, Jessa's singing. They can hear Jessa singing London Bridges falling down in her sleep. And then for some reason, Evie and Justin are like, let's play it backwards. And they play it backwards and you can hear her saying, mike, kill all. And then they research some scary meanings behind old children's songs. So things are getting spooky already. I think if I was actually had my mom dying in the other room, it would be hard for me to record a podcast.

[Millie de Chirico]

I would probably try to go to a wework or something at bare minimum. I mean, here's the thing I'm going to say about this. I think it's because we just recently done Cindy Sherman's Office Killer.

[Casey O'Brien]

Yes.

[Millie de Chirico]

The whole like, caretaker horror micro genre is fresh on the brain.

[Casey O'Brien]

It is.

[Millie de Chirico]

And now I'm in this position in life to be like, well, God, I hope I ain't doing that for some other person. Like, I hope that, like, I mean, I don't have kids, so I will die in a dumpster, I'm sure. But I feel like now I'm like, well, I don't want to be like the creepy old person dying in the other room while my vivacious, like, full of life, beautiful daughter is recording her paranormal podcast. I don't know, you don't want to

[Casey O'Brien]

be the in the background of like some young person's tick tock while you're like about to meet your maker, you know?

[Millie de Chirico]

No, it's like I have this like weird crocheted scratchy blanket that like existed in the 80s and it's like strung over my lap as I my withered hand, you know, just like comes towards my daughter who's like trying to get laid by her boyfriend and then is like doing her podcast. And she's just like, God, this is ruining my life and I gotta come in here and like give her a morphine drip or whatever, you know, And I'm like, I don't wanna. I wanna, I wanna be driving at like 95 through walls. I don't want to be that if I can help it.

[Casey O'Brien]

Yeah.

[Millie de Chirico]

And so now these caretaker horror movies are starting to affect me, Casey. This is the whole point of this.

[Casey O'Brien]

So it is like a up. I think they're. And they're always the narrative of these, like, caretaker horror movies are like, oh, I gotta dying, you know, relative. And but like also my dying relative is like freaky and like, yes, like, you know, communing with demons and stuff. And it's like, okay, can we have some respect for the elderly? It's like, it's always, like, sympathizes with the young person and not the old person, you know?

[Millie de Chirico]

Yes. And it's just like, there's a lot of horror that's based on this. Like, even if you Google caretaker horror or.

[Casey O'Brien]

Yeah.

[Millie de Chirico]

Caregiving horror films or caretaker horror films, it's like, every movie is about, like, an old lady who's a creep and, like.

[Casey O'Brien]

Yeah.

[Millie de Chirico]

Has, like, you know, gangly, jangly fingers and crepey skin. And I'm like, oh, come on. Like, I also.

[Casey O'Brien]

It's such a trend right now, too, to be, like, the scariest possible thing any filmmaker can imagine is a naked old woman standing in a room. Like, I feel like that is always, like, used as, like, the ultimate jump scare is, like, an old woman standing there.

[Millie de Chirico]

Yeah. Why not have a woman stand an old, withered grandma naked in the room? And Channing Tatum pops in, doing a little, like, spin, and it's like, yeah,

[Casey O'Brien]

yeah.

[Millie de Chirico]

What's going on here?

[Casey O'Brien]

Some dignity for the elderly.

[Millie de Chirico]

Yeah. Like, he starts, like, kind of, you know, giving her the old eyeball. I'm like, we need that.

[Casey O'Brien]

So you're saying you think we should have a movie where Tatum, Channing Tatum is old women in hospice care.

[Millie de Chirico]

Yes.

[Casey O'Brien]

Or at least stripping for them.

[Millie de Chirico]

Can we make that a part of our health care law? Like, I think strippers. I think the Magic Mike boys. I think Big Dick Richie should be going to elder care facilities and putting on free shows.

[Casey O'Brien]

Yeah.

[Millie de Chirico]

Okay.

[Casey O'Brien]

I mean, this sounds great.

[Millie de Chirico]

It would be covered by our insurance

[Casey O'Brien]

and covered by insurance. I can already see a scene where, like, Big Dick Rick goes into a room and an old woman takes out her dentures and is, like, trying to suck his dick without dentures or something like that.

[Millie de Chirico]

I see another scene where a woman is, like, wanting, you know, the Matt Bomber character to perform some song from Yankee Doodle Dandy starring Jim Cagney. And, you know, like, doing something like, put on my favorite little hat. And he's like, okay,

[Casey O'Brien]

this is good. This. I. I don't think the Magic Mike movies are dead. I think we can resurrect them with this. This new idea. Also, when they're recording the podcast. Okay, this is one thing where I was like, okay, as a podcaster, that would piss me off is, like, every time they start recording the podcast, Evie will be like, I'm sorry, can we. Can we do this later? Like, she did that like 18 times during the movie. And they would just like. He's like. And Justin would be like, yeah, okay, we can. We can record the rest of this podcast later. That would piss me off.

[Millie de Chirico]

Oh, no shit, Casey. I feel like I kept thinking about that too, because I was like, imagine if. Casey, imagine if I just have to stop the zoom recorder all the time. Like, he would go crazy with that amount of files to have to process for one episode. Imagine if I had stopped recording now and then I would be like, okay, in our shared folder, there's 40 different files for this one episode. Because I had to stop. I got too freaked out. I'm gonna stop again. You'd be like, my co host is unreasonable.

[Casey O'Brien]

Yeah. I also think I would be like, oh, your mom. I can see your mom's decrepit foot in the door of the other room because she's dying in there. Maybe let's not. Let's put a pause on the podcast for a little bit. I think I would be like. Because in the way they presented in the movie, it's like the mom is like the. The nurse says, like, it's any day now.

[Millie de Chirico]

Yeah.

[Casey O'Brien]

Oh, so why not just wait?

[Millie de Chirico]

Well, I mean, honestly, like, when we recorded the intro, I almost stopped the thing and said, listen, I know you just sprung this Uncle Ethan thing on me right now, but can we have a chat about maybe going on a hiatus until he. He's like, dead?

[Casey O'Brien]

He's gone. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Millie de Chirico]

So, yeah, that was a little. That. Yeah. That felt like there was just too much chaos in that home.

[Casey O'Brien]

Yeah.

[Millie de Chirico]

To record a podcast.

[Casey O'Brien]

Yeah. I don't know. I think it would be scary to record a podcast. Even a non horror podcast, alone in your kitchen. I don't know. It would. I wouldn't set. Like you said, go to a. We work where there's, like, other people around. I just. I wouldn't. That would be hard for me.

[Millie de Chirico]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Casey O'Brien]

Okay, moving on here. In one of the many breaks from the podcast recording, Evie discovers she's pregnant by her shithead boyfriend. So she's knocked up.

[Millie de Chirico]

Yeah.

[Casey O'Brien]

And she's conflicted. So we're back recording, listening to these audio messages from Mike and Jessa. And in one of the recordings, Jessa says some gibberish in her sleep, and when played backwards, it says, come in, Abazu. Now, abazu is a demon in Mediterranean and European folklore who was said to cause miscarriages and drive mothers to murder their own children out of jealousy, as she was infertile. And weird stuff is happening in Evie's house. Things are moving around. Lights are flashing. Her mother appears to move even though she's on death's door. It's very scary. I found these people kind of annoying. Both Evie and Justin, I don't think I would listen to their podcast, frankly.

[Millie de Chirico]

I thought about this while I was watching this movie. I'd be like, would I listen to this podcast? I don't really dabble in the. In this world. Neither do I. I mean, I'm gonna be completely real with you. It's hard to listen to a ton of podcasts when you do a podcast because you're just working constantly on your podcast. And I'm like, okay, well, I'm gonna try to keep up with the others as much as I can, but it's a lot of audio per week when you're listening to your own and editing it and, like, you know, etc. So I feel like the ones that I do listen to are, like, very essential to me, you know? So I don't really have the bandwidth to listen to. Do they even say the name? What's the name of this podcast that they do?

[Casey O'Brien]

Oh, I don't even know.

[Millie de Chirico]

Yeah, I forgot. I don't. I don't know if they ever mentioned it. Or maybe they do.

[Casey O'Brien]

It's called the Undertone podcast. Oh, should have remembered that.

[Millie de Chirico]

That's the name of the movie. Yeah, I should have remembered that. But I. Yeah, I don't know if I'd have the bamboo for Undertone. Sorry, Evie.

[Casey O'Brien]

Now, when you pitched this movie, you were like, basically, this is us. This is a story about us. This is our biography. What about this movie reminded you of our working. Because it is about a woman who's doing a podcast with a man remotely.

[Millie de Chirico]

Remotely.

[Casey O'Brien]

You know, do you feel like there was any parallels between our working relationship? Like, do you think I'm secretly in love with you, like Justin clearly is with Evie?

[Millie de Chirico]

Oh, my God. Why would you say that? Now I'm feeling like, you know, I'm in a weird spot to answer that. Why would you say I. Listen, first of all, I hope that this isn't weird, but you would love it if I was secretly in love with you anyway. You want people to have crushes on you, Casey, and you know it. You listeners, to have crushes on you. So it would be thrilling if I was. You would think it was thrilling if I also had a crush on you.

[Casey O'Brien]

See, I don't know if that's true. I feel like I would be like, this is a burden that I need to I have. We have to untangle this every time we get on the zoom. Oh, God.

[Millie de Chirico]

Those people that were in love with you in high school. School that you were like, oh, I. I feel bad I have to hang out with them, but I know they're

[Casey O'Brien]

in love with me. Oh, the. The. The. The friend who tricked me into going on a date with her. Is that who you're referring to?

[Millie de Chirico]

Or all of the various people that have been in love with you in your past that you were not in love with and you had to, like, do something about. Listen, that. That's what I'm. All I'm saying is that it feels wonderful to be liked. I think you would find it wonderful if I was secretly in love with you. Although it would be a burden for you.

[Casey O'Brien]

Yes. Yes. I mean, I would. There'd probably be some, you know, delight. Some pleasure in that. Just knowing that.

[Millie de Chirico]

That you turned me out. Is this why you're wearing sunglasses right now? Because we're having this conversation?

[Casey O'Brien]

Yeah.

[Millie de Chirico]

Should I be wearing sunglasses right now?

[Casey O'Brien]

I'm too shy. I'm too bashful. And this is.

[Millie de Chirico]

But here's what I will say about.

[Casey O'Brien]

Besides that.

[Millie de Chirico]

Here's what I will say. Getting back to the actual film and not our interpersonal dynamic. I did feel like Justin was super nice and that Yvie was the unreasonable woman bitch. And I thought, huh, maybe that is a little bit of me and Casey in that way where he's super nice and accommodating, and I'm the one that has the fucking attitude and the problems and the like. I mean, I've never been knocked up before, but I've probably been spiritually knocked up and had to bring that gravity to the fucking work that we're doing. That's kind of like where it begins and ends. I mean, quite honestly, like, the rest of it was also, like, the mythology around. Okay. This is the thing that I. That I was having a little trouble with. Because there seems to be a lot of moving parts here with, like, the mythologies of everything. Right?

[Casey O'Brien]

Yeah.

[Millie de Chirico]

Because you've got this. These creepy messages. Where are they coming from? You've got sort of Evie's personal story, and then you've got the introduction of this, like, Aizu demon.

[Casey O'Brien]

Yeah.

[Millie de Chirico]

Which I was like, oh, fuck. Well, how is this gonna play out? Because I only know one demon, and the best demon, who is Pazuzu from the Exorcist. It made me go, like, I almost pulled up my phone during the film. Thank God I didn't. To be like, well, what is a Bisou, is this real? Is it fake? Is it a thing? Like. And I know it has something to do with pregnancy, but I don't know much about it. So I just was kind of like, okay, here's more layers of things happening, and I hope I have enough brain space to figure this out.

[Casey O'Brien]

Do you think Pazuzu and Abizu, they might be related? I mean, it sounds like they could be sisters or something.

[Millie de Chirico]

Well, that's. That is kind of like what I was wondering. And then I kept thinking, do all demons come from the same place? Why do they have a zoo ending?

[Casey O'Brien]

Yeah. You know, that's interesting. I mean, it did make me thankful that we had my mom come on to protect our podcast from demons, because this is what we were talking about before. Remember? We. We had her. That's why she was here, to protect this podcast from getting infected by, you know, ghouls, by the Annabelle doll, the detail.

[Millie de Chirico]

I mean, I feel like if we've said Pazuzu and a Bizu, maybe she should come back and. Yeah. Do a little addendum to the exorcism that she did.

[Casey O'Brien]

It's kind of like in a yearbook. You get the kind of, like, supplemental thing you put in the yearbook to just to cover what wasn't covered, you

[Millie de Chirico]

know, to add extra pages so you could have more of your friends. Right? Yeah. I wish I had a lot of friends like that. I can't AD Page. I have so popular. I just had to add pages to my.

[Casey O'Brien]

I. When I was in high school, my senior year. You know, the. What are those called? Where it's like, best smile, but what. That's the superlatives. So we did a whole thing, and there was this really popular guy. I'll call him Ryan. And every. He's one of these rare people that, like, the popular people liked him and the losers liked it. He was, like, pretty beloved. And he was, like, on the hockey team. He was an unusual character. So he won. There was, like. Let's say there were 25 superlatives in the yearbook. He won, like, 22 out of 25. And they just gave all of. And so he took pictures for, like, every single one. And I was like, I think the yearbook staff should have been like, you can only win one.

[Millie de Chirico]

Yes. What the fuck? There's no way you can sweep all the categories. That's awful.

[Casey O'Brien]

I mean, it was insanity.

[Millie de Chirico]

I mean, you. They gotta find, like, the fourth funniest person and give them an award. There's no. That is.

[Casey O'Brien]

I know.

[Millie de Chirico]

I can't.

[Casey O'Brien]

It was oh, my gosh. It's embarrassing. And you know, of course I didn't win anything. Maybe I could have. Maybe then I would have gotten one if Ryan hadn't won, you know, best hair or whatever.

[Millie de Chirico]

Which. Which one would you have wanted?

[Casey O'Brien]

Oh, God, that's a great question. Which one would I have wanted? I would have taken so many. I mean, I think I want. I just wanted to be recognized as something, maybe. But it's funny because I was like, I would have never won anything that I think I should have won, like, funniest or whatever. You know, I would have been fine if I had won, like best hair, most likely to be famous or something. I don't know, maybe Most likely to be famous.

[Millie de Chirico]

Okay, that's a good one.

[Casey O'Brien]

Isn't that usually one.

[Millie de Chirico]

Yeah. Most successful or most likely to be famous?

[Casey O'Brien]

Most likely to be, yeah. Famous, I think. Yeah. Yeah, I would want that one.

[Millie de Chirico]

Yeah.

[Casey O'Brien]

Or I would have wanted that one in high school probably the most.

[Millie de Chirico]

Yeah.

[Casey O'Brien]

What about you, Casey?

[Millie de Chirico]

There's no way. I can't even imagine a world where I would have won a superlative.

[Casey O'Brien]

Yes, but which one would you have wanted to win? If you won one, you're like, oh, okay.

[Millie de Chirico]

Probably best dressed. I mean, that would be like one to win because you could still be weird and be best dressed, whereas all the other ones are based on, like, good personalities. And I don't think I had that back then. Yeah, I would have won like angriest or worst haircut to makeup ratio. Like, I just would have had a bad time. A bad time.

[Casey O'Brien]

Almost invisible. I feel like I would have won that.

[Millie de Chirico]

Might have it have been too visible, please. Too visible, Please leave me alone. Is the.

[Casey O'Brien]

I feel like there was always a category that was like quietest. Do you remember that? I feel like our high school had like quiet, quiet or something. And I'm like, that's kind of like a dig or something.

[Millie de Chirico]

Yeah, yeah. That is such a dick, actually. Yeah. No, best dress would have been it. Because you would have been able to. And you could have taken that to so many places after being best dressed. But again, I think all of this requires a buy in from other people in your school that you're like a person of. Of worthiness. And I just don't think that was. I don't think people liked me that much.

[Casey O'Brien]

So I. I'm in the same boat. I mean, I didn't win anything. You know, I have my 20th high school reunion coming up pretty soon, and

[Millie de Chirico]

I'm gonna go, wow, are you kidding? You're Going.

[Casey O'Brien]

I'm kidding. I'm going.

[Millie de Chirico]

Oh, my God. I never went, like. And I have friends that went.

[Casey O'Brien]

Yeah, I am morbidly curious. I'm really terrified to see these people again because I really did not keep up with anybody from high school. So I'm very interested. Yeah, I'll report back.

[Millie de Chirico]

Oh, my God. We should do an entire episode about it. Are you kidding?

[Casey O'Brien]

Maybe I'll FaceTime from the. From the. From the reunion.

[Millie de Chirico]

Let's do Romeo and Michelle's High School reunion and make you talk about your reunion.

[Casey O'Brien]

That's, like, my. One of my favorite movies.

[Millie de Chirico]

That's one of mine, too.

[Casey O'Brien]

So good. What are we doing?

[Millie de Chirico]

We should. Okay, write it down. Write this down.

[Casey O'Brien]

100. I'm writing this down right now.

[Millie de Chirico]

Okay.

[Casey O'Brien]

Oh, my God. What a. What an idea.

[Millie de Chirico]

I know.

[Casey O'Brien]

That is called synergy. Oh, my God.

[Millie de Chirico]

Maybe I should have won smartest in my high school then.

[Casey O'Brien]

Anyways, we've gotten way off track. Let's get back to. Let's get back to a Bizu. Let's get back to these little demons.

[Millie de Chirico]

Yeah. So now we've. They've invoked a demon, a Bizu, and it is the demon of miscarriages and, yes, horrible things to moms. And now I just feel bad. So the.

[Casey O'Brien]

I mean, the timing couldn't have been worse. She just finds out she's pregnant, and then she's also encountered the demon of the miscarriages. I don't know. That's tough. The recordings are getting weirder and scarier. I mean, this. I will say this movie was scary. I was scared.

[Millie de Chirico]

Are you kidding? I thought it was terrifying. But continue.

[Casey O'Brien]

So the recordings are getting weirder, and in the final one, we hear Jessa say she needs to warn someone who is listening, which is freaky, because Evie, our main character, is listening to this. So you kind of assume that Jessa on the recording is, like, calling out to Evie, who. They. They don't know each other, you know, so it's. Something supernatural is going on. So they start getting calls because I guess they had published an episode that had some of these recordings on it already. So they're getting callers, live callers into the show. And one of the callers claims that Mike and Jessa. That he's Mike and Jess's neighbor, and that's the people who are on these recordings. And also, they got these recordings from. They don't know where they got them from. Some random person emailed them, and they tried to email them back, and it bounced back. This person, like, doesn't Exist. So a caller claims that he was Mike and Jessa's neighbor and that they were murdered and bags were put over their heads and there were crayon drawings of babies all over the walls and that Jessa was pregnant. Another caller calls in a woman and asks to speak to Mary, which is freaky because Evie told her dying mother that she was going to name her unborn baby Mary. Freaky. So then another caller calls in named Abby Abizu. I don't know. She calls in and begs her help with her crying baby. And while she's on the phone with the podcast, she murders the baby. On air, things are going wild. Things are getting freaky and wild. Lights are flashing in Evie's house. Music is playing. The podcast audio is going nuts. On air, Evie confesses that her mother is dead, I guess, and she rushes upstairs. The walls are covered in murdered baby drawings. Evie sees her mom in the bathroom standing. The scariest image possible for film. And then Evie is attacked by something. The end.

[Millie de Chirico]

Scary. Okay.

[Casey O'Brien]

Yes.

[Millie de Chirico]

Despite the fact that I was absolutely terrified by this movie towards the end, you know what was going through my mind? Unfortunately, as this was all rolling out, this.

[Casey O'Brien]

I have no. Tell me.

[Millie de Chirico]

You've got women pregnant, having babies. You've got mothers dying in the room. Lightning crashes. And old mother dies. Her placenta falls to the floor.

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[Casey O'Brien]

Isn't that interesting that that live song really matches up with this movie? Now, is that the one that's like,

[Millie de Chirico]

I can feel it coming,

[Casey O'Brien]

that one, or is that a different song? Am I conflating my live songs?

[Millie de Chirico]

No, no, that's absolutely the song. But you kind of dipped into a little. I can feel it coming in the.

[Casey O'Brien]

Wait, what's that? What's the name of that live song?

[Millie de Chirico]

Lightning Crash.

[Casey O'Brien]

Lightning crashes. It's so stupid. Okay, so I wasn't off too off, but I was kind of dipping into the Phil Collins song.

[Millie de Chirico]

No. And I'm sure there's been. This has been a DJ to mash those two up. Right?

[Casey O'Brien]

I have a. I have a deep memory of being in Emmitsburg, Iowa, at my friend's cousin's house as we're watching MTV in the basement. And that song being on the tv, I just remember that.

[Millie de Chirico]

Lightning crashes.

[Casey O'Brien]

Lightning crashes. I mean. Yeah, it does. We could do kind of like a tick tock kind of cut with that song in this movie. And I think they would pair up nicely, you know. Lightning crashes. There's lights flashing in the. Yeah, the movie.

[Millie de Chirico]

I mean, this, like, this is the exchange of old to young, birth to Death. There's all this shit happening.

[Casey O'Brien]

Yeah. You know, Placenta's flopping all over the place.

[Millie de Chirico]

All over the place. There's multiple mothers involved, and then there's like a Bisou is, like, standing behind, you know, like, mischievously, like, you know, laughing and, like, putting. Rubbing his hands together, like, look what I'm doing. I'm creating all this chaos. However, I mean, listen, I was terrified by all of it. Even though it was, like, kind of conceptually a lot for me when I was watching it, because there's a lot of details. I did. I think I talked about this. I watched this movie and then I walked to my car alone in the parking deck of the AMC that I see these movies in and was, like, running, looking over my shoulder and then driving home. I was feeling very on edge. So.

[Casey O'Brien]

Yeah, you were worried that a Bisou was gonna come through the radio and get you. I. You know, this is like. I feel like so many horror movies end this way now. And I feel like I'm trying to think of, like, who started this trend. And it might be the Exorcist, actually, but the end of horror movies are so often just like, let's make it the most chaotic. Everything's going nuts all at once. Lights are flashing, screaming, blah, blah, blah. And it.

[Millie de Chirico]

It.

[Casey O'Brien]

I don't know.

[Millie de Chirico]

I. Do.

[Casey O'Brien]

You know what I'm talking about? That. It's like a lot of movies just kind of end in sort of cacophony of, like, chaos like this. It becomes a little less satisfying or something, and it becomes less scary, to be honest, because you're kind of like. You kind of get lost in this ocean of noise and visuals that it's not at. You're not as on edge. It's kind of like you're just like, watching insanity happen.

[Millie de Chirico]

It feels like a lot of A24 horror movies and.

[Casey O'Brien]

Yes. Yeah.

[Millie de Chirico]

You know, and I think it's really, like. I find that a lot of it is because the pacing sort of sets it up that way where it's like the first nine tenths of the film is, like, super quiet, slow, and then it just kind of crescendos into this big fucking mess. And. Yeah, I mean, I see why that might be appealing to structure it that way as a filmmaker. But, yeah, I do feel like it's kind of. It's been. It's being done a lot right now.

[Casey O'Brien]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. And I feel like people are, like, on the verge of, like, passing out, even though they've had no. There's, like, no reason for that to happen, but it's like we just accept that. It's like, oh, they're about to lose consciousness or something, just because they're so overwhelmed by the hysteria of the moment, you know, I don't know, I'm. I'm a little tired of horror movies ending that way. Yeah. Like you said, I understand why it happens, but I don't know, it makes it less scary at the end of the movie, and it makes it a little less satisfying. You're kind of like, okay, yeah, it's over.

[Millie de Chirico]

Yeah, I. I don't know. This film is interesting because I did again, I kept thinking about us. I kept thinking about us when this was happening, and I kept thinking, are there scary moments of recording our podcast? Like, do you ever have a moment? We were like, what was that? What happened? Did we, you know, invoke the demon of, you know, like, George Brent or something when we talk about him? Like, have we done something to, you know, ruin the pregnancies of someone far away and we didn't know it? I mean, I don't know.

[Casey O'Brien]

I think, you know, I don't think I. That's a great question. I can't really think of us doing anything too dangerous with our podcast up to this point. Like I said, I'm so thankful that my mother's faith is protecting this podcast.

[Millie de Chirico]

Yeah.

[Casey O'Brien]

But, yeah, I mean, I think the scariest thing that's happened during, like, a podcast recording is like, did I. Did I not press record? You know, that type of thing?

[Millie de Chirico]

But yeah, or like, I don't know,

[Casey O'Brien]

I can't even think of anything. Is there a. What have you. Do you think we've done anything dangerous, scary on our podcast?

[Millie de Chirico]

No, we're a bunch of, like, stupid goofballs. I mean, the only drama that really happened was when my dog used to come in and take dumps when we recorded.

[Casey O'Brien]

Yeah, that was scary. You know what? That's a great point because it was like, there was a lot of tension with that. It was like, if it's going to happen when it's going to happen, you

[Millie de Chirico]

know, or if I would record during thunderstorms, that was always a little bit scary. But other than that, I think we're good. I just. I also feel like we're not doing anything to summon things, like the way that they do in Undertone, where it's like, let's listen to creepy recordings. Because here's what I was thinking, actually. You answer a lot of the emails, and you certainly get all of the listener voicemails. If somebody sent you, like, if someone weird had sent you a file and you thought it would be weird, you wouldn't listen to it and you wouldn't suggest that we would listen to it together on the podcast.

[Casey O'Brien]

Yeah. Yeah. I mean, Justin really should have been a better producer on this podcast. He should have listened to these audio ahead of time and prepared a little bit for it. So, yeah, I would never do something like that. But you're right. I am listening to the voicemails, I am reading the emails. And so I'm really on the front line. If something bad were to happen, if a demon tried to enter the podcast through our email, I would be the one who was a victim in that situation. And that is scary. And that's a weight I carry making this podcast, you know?

[Millie de Chirico]

Yeah. But I don't know what. Any other thoughts about Undertown?

[Casey O'Brien]

I think more and more the movies I'm really kind of into and kind of get me excited are more low budget, DIY type movies. And I think it's. This is a really cool movie. It's very simple. But I mean it's an effective film and I really enjoyed watching it. It's really good. And it's all shot in this house for like a relatively low budget and I just think it's like really imaginative and really effective. And I just, I love when filmmakers are just. They're out there making stuff that feels big and grandiose and, and, and they're doing it on a low budget. They're not waiting for a studio to like fund their idea. And I don't know, I was very inspired watching this movie. I thought it was like really cool, really well done. It made a. It created a. A world with such simple tools. And so I really, I, I thought it, it was, it was great. A great watch for me.

[Millie de Chirico]

Well, I thought so too. I mean, honestly, I was pleased to hear that the director, Ian Twassen is Filipino and Canadian. Nothing but support for my Pinoys. And I don't know, I also think that first time filmmakers, filmmakers of color should be getting opportunities to make these movies for places like a 24. I was reading now that I think he's going to do the new Paranormal Activity movie.

[Casey O'Brien]

Yeah, I think that's right. And that makes sense. I mean that's like another movie that's like takes place in a house. So it is kind of a funny. He's. He's do. He gets to do that again on a bigger stage. So that's great. Yeah, I think that's cool.

[Millie de Chirico]

And I also think too, that I had read that there might be more undertone films coming too.

[Casey O'Brien]

Sure.

[Millie de Chirico]

Like maybe it becomes a little franchise. So that's exciting and we'll see what happens. Also, he has self published books on Amazon and I think he's like a wattpad person, so.

[Casey O'Brien]

What is that word you just said?

[Millie de Chirico]

Wattpad?

[Casey O'Brien]

I don't know what that is.

[Millie de Chirico]

Wattpad's like fan fiction.

[Casey O'Brien]

Oh, okay. Have you ever dabbled in fan fiction? Meaning read it, read it, or wrote it. But have you?

[Millie de Chirico]

I mean, didn't I tell you about the Braves fanfiction I wrote when I was in middle school?

[Casey O'Brien]

No, you did not.

[Millie de Chirico]

Casey, this is like a huge part of. I saw what you did. I can't believe I didn't. You didn't remember that or maybe you weren't around for it.

[Casey O'Brien]

I feel like I would have. I don't remember this. Yeah, this might have been BC before Casey.

[Millie de Chirico]

Hey, that's good. Actually, that's a good. I think that wattpad isn't exclusively fanfic, but it is a big place for fan fiction.

[Casey O'Brien]

Wow.

[Millie de Chirico]

Okay. But I wrote Braves fan fiction when I was in middle school. It was so embarrassing.

[Casey O'Brien]

What were some of the storylines like? Greg Maddox is like, I don't know.

[Millie de Chirico]

Oh, God, it's like I can't. I can't even, like, look you in the eye when I say this because it's so bad.

[Casey O'Brien]

I'll put on my sunglasses and take them off.

[Millie de Chirico]

It was about me and my friend Hillary, who would. The fan fiction is that we worked in the Braves clubhouse and we were dating Braves players. Wow.

[Casey O'Brien]

And how old were you when you wrote this?

[Millie de Chirico]

Oh, my God. I was probably, like, in seventh grade.

[Casey O'Brien]

Wow, you're dating. Who were you dating?

[Millie de Chirico]

God, I'm gonna throw up. This is so Tom Glavin, pitcher for the Braves.

[Casey O'Brien]

I am.

[Millie de Chirico]

Oh, yeah. I was also. I had a little bit of a flirtation with Mark Grace, first baseman of the Chicago Cubs.

[Casey O'Brien]

Okay.

[Millie de Chirico]

Never. You know, we never did anything about it, but every time we would be together, it'd be electric.

[Casey O'Brien]

There would be sparks flying.

[Millie de Chirico]

Oh, my God. It was.

[Casey O'Brien]

Well, you know what they say, Chicks dig the long balls. Isn't that their whole thing?

[Millie de Chirico]

Yes, yes. It was Tom Glavin and Greg Maddox's thing. I still have it. I wrote it all on, like, loose leaf notebook paper and then would like.

[Casey O'Brien]

You still have it? Incredible.

[Millie de Chirico]

Yeah, I think I still have it. I mean, I gotta find it. It's in a huge box of other badly written things that I wrote in, like, Middle school and high school. But, oh, my God, it was like Hillary and I would have slumber parties, and I had. I would just write and write and write more chapters and, you know, she and I would read them and feel like we were dating grown men in seventh grade. But, yeah, and then here's what I'll say about reading fan fiction. I've dabbled in reading it, depending on the subject. Sometimes as a joke. Sometimes I have come across something that's really well written, and I'm like, oh, this is actually kind of great, but not often. I don't. I don't read it often. So.

[Casey O'Brien]

Okay. I, I. That is a world I have not even tried. I really have no interest in that. I'm just not a fan of anything enough to, like, want to read fan fiction on it, you know?

[Millie de Chirico]

Yeah. I mean, a lot of things start from fan fiction. I mean, isn't that Twilight and.

[Casey O'Brien]

Yeah, 50 Shades of Gray?

[Millie de Chirico]

Yeah.

[Casey O'Brien]

Came off from Twilight fan fiction. I mean, is there, like, Guided by Voices fan fiction? Because, like, maybe I could get into that.

[Millie de Chirico]

See, you should write it, though. That's the thing, is that you can be like. Me and Robert Pollard were best friends. Sitting on the dock. Our fishing poles and hands. And he leans over and he rubs my thigh.

[Casey O'Brien]

Mm. Oh. It's very sexual between him and I.

[Millie de Chirico]

We've each had. We've each had eight beers, and, yeah,

[Casey O'Brien]

his cigarette and Jameson breath flowed into my nostrils and my pants got tighter.

[Millie de Chirico]

You'd be so good at fanfic. You should go for it, dude.

[Casey O'Brien]

I should go for it.

[Millie de Chirico]

You should write the first slash. Guided by Voices fan fiction.

[Casey O'Brien]

I feel like they. I feel like GBV fans are die hard. I feel like it would. That. That could be successful, even if they're like, this is disgusting. Why are you doing this to. To one?

[Millie de Chirico]

I honestly think it would be a smash. It would be a smash.

[Casey O'Brien]

God. I saw you posted on Instagram listening in some GBV the other day. I saluted that, brother.

[Millie de Chirico]

I'm telling you, do the Collapse. Still a great album, I see.

[Casey O'Brien]

I haven't listened to that one as much because I feel like people are like, that one sucks.

[Millie de Chirico]

Not for me, baby. I was a music director in 1999 when that album came out, and I know that people were like, wow. They're, like, really sounding real polished these days. Yeah, but I loved it. Like, I think that album is fantastic. I think Isolation Drills is good too.

[Casey O'Brien]

I love Isolation Drills. I listen to that album a lot.

[Millie de Chirico]

Glad Girls. I mean, come on, man.

[Casey O'Brien]

I really like Mag earwig, too. Yeah, that's another good later. Anyways, we could go on all day about Guided by Voices. Well, Millie, this was great. I really did enjoy watching this movie. I'm a big fan of the podcast movie genre, and I hope that there's more movies in that genre that come out soon. Yeah, so we'll keep. Keep my. Keep my eyes peeled for that. All right, moving on. It's Gripes, Gropes, and Grits.

[Millie de Chirico]

Gropes.

[Casey O'Brien]

We got emails coming in. Grops, gropes, and Grits. We got some good ones here today. Millie, you haven't heard or seen any of these, so I'm going to just surprise you with them. And none of them are a bizu, don't worry. Okay, good, good, good.

[Millie de Chirico]

Hi, Millie and Casey, this is isoo. I'm in Chicago. I'm a longtime listener. Since the I saw POD days, I've been really loving the skits at the beginning of the show.

[Casey O'Brien]

I'm looking for some recommendations of films about artists and their art. So not documentaries or biopics, but ones where the director is making an analogy to their own art. I can think of two recent ones

[Millie de Chirico]

showing up by Kelly Reichardt and Phantom Thread.

[Casey O'Brien]

I personally think these are statements about

[Millie de Chirico]

the director's relationship to their own craft. What are some new and old movies

[Casey O'Brien]

that you can recommend that are in this category?

[Millie de Chirico]

Thank you. Love the show. Bye.

[Casey O'Brien]

Bye. Millie, any come to mind for you?

[Millie de Chirico]

Oh, my goodness. I mean, I think about something like Barton Fink from 1991. A movie about a writer. Screenwriter.

[Casey O'Brien]

I was thinking about a movie that we covered somewhat recently on the show, the Shrouds by David Cronenberg.

[Millie de Chirico]

There you go. There you go.

[Casey O'Brien]

Because I think that was, like, a pretty interesting. Because the main character is like, kind of. Yeah, he's an artist, I would say.

[Millie de Chirico]

And

[Casey O'Brien]

I think there's like, some really interesting things that David Cronenberg is exploring in terms of technology and the movie business and his own life. And I think that's a really great one that sort of explores that concept.

[Millie de Chirico]

Yeah, I'm thinking of. I'm trying to think of things that are like, movies about the art of filmmaking through a filmmaker. Like, I mean, I think about something like maybe Ed wood from, like, 1994. Right. So it's basically like a narrative film about a filmmaker who's in the process of making a film. And it's kind of about his technique and his, you know, obviously Ed Wood being, like, one of the craziest filmmakers to have ever done it and just his whole, like, ridiculous process of making these, like, super, super low budget films and, you know, everybody kind of being a part of his crazy world.

[Casey O'Brien]

Yeah. Day for Night by Francois Truffaut. He plays a director in that movie, but it's kind of about his art. But it's not so much about. It's more about the craft of making a movie, I guess, and not so much about, like, the art, if that makes sense. I'm trying to think. All that Jazz by Bob Fosse.

[Millie de Chirico]

Oh, that's a good one. That's a good one.

[Casey O'Brien]

I would say Steven Spielberg's the Fabelmans is really good too, because that really is about filmmaking and his own life, obviously. But yeah, yeah.

[Millie de Chirico]

I mean, okay, so maybe there's a distinction to be made because there's stuff like Ed Wood maybe living in Oblivion from 1995 Movies about people trying to make movies and trying to make their own art. And it is kind of like a commentary about that process. Then you've got more kind of direct things, like maybe even like a Burden of Dreams type of thing.

[Casey O'Brien]

Sure.

[Millie de Chirico]

Where it is about the actual making of a movie and having to deal with that kind of stuff. Fable, Men's, which is kind of like a nar. Like a narrative movie. Also about, like, maybe also like Eight and a Half Fellini's. Eight and a Half, Yeah. About narrative stories that are about ostensibly filmmakers having issues. Right.

[Casey O'Brien]

Yeah.

[Millie de Chirico]

I don't know. Is that. That's a lot.

[Casey O'Brien]

That was a lot. That was a lot.

[Millie de Chirico]

Yeah.

[Casey O'Brien]

Well, thank you, Issu. I know you've written him before.

[Millie de Chirico]

Yes.

[Casey O'Brien]

All right, moving on. This one's from Eric. Hi, Millie. Hi, Casey. Lifelong relationship with movies here, but I think I ended up marrying music and. But mostly because of movies. Movies introduced me to almost all of my favorite music. I grew up in the 80s, the age of the needle drop. So John Hughes. We can't. I can go on for hours about John Hughes or Greg araki in the 90s, but I will say, like, the Gate introduced me to my favorite Canadian punk band, True Confessions and recently Suspended Time. They just mentioned the band Modern Guy and I had to look them up and now I'm obsessed. So I'm wondering, do you guys have any of your favorite music that was introduced to you by movies? Love you both. Sophie forever.

[Millie de Chirico]

Aw, thanks, Eric. Sophie forever. So sweet.

[Casey O'Brien]

Very sweet. Well, my first thought was I saw the movie short bus in 2008, which I thought was a very exciting and scandalous and sexy movie. And I still love that movie a lot but they had the song Winter's Love by Animal Collective in that movie. And that was the first time I'd ever heard Animal Collective. And it really took me on a journey. I wouldn't say Animal Collective is like my favorite band, but they were for a time, a very important band to me. And I was listening to them, and then that Merryweather Post Pavilion came out and they were just huge. And I saw them in concert, a bunch of. So that was a memorable one for me, was learning about Animal Collective from Shortbus.

[Millie de Chirico]

That is incredible. Animal Collective. I haven't heard them in a long time.

[Casey O'Brien]

I know.

[Millie de Chirico]

Well, you already said it, Eric. I mean, John Hughes soundtracks really did create my musical taste. And, you know, basically all of the music in those movies was contemporary, so it was able to bring in all these other bands. You know, it's like, oh, because Echo and the Bunnyman is playing. Then I like Jesus, Mary Chain and I. You know, like that kind of stuff, like all these other. It was basically like part of the soup of everything that was happening when I was learning about music. But I will say specifically, there's two soundtracks that really, like, kind of changed my perspective on older music. One of them was the rushmore soundtrack from 1998.

[Casey O'Brien]

Oh, yes.

[Millie de Chirico]

Where I had liked this kind of like, British Invasion sound. And I liked bands like the who and Things and the Kinks. But it was kind of like this perfectly curated package of songs that were. I mean, the who and the Kinks are both on the soundtrack for Rushmore. But then stuff like Making Time by the Creation, which I didn't know. I knew kind of less about that band or you know what I mean? Like, you know. And also, who Doesn't Love a Summer Song by Chad and Jeremy? You know, that kind of thing. But anyway, I. That really, like, blew my mind when that soundtrack came out. And the other one, which is actually kind of probably a little bit more strange, if you know me, is there the movie the Devil's Rejects from 2005 by Rob Zombie? You know, I had grown up in the south and I felt like I had this, like, knee jerk reaction anytime I had ever heard shit like the Albin Brothers or, you know what I mean? Like, I was like, anytime like, like Skinner comes to the conversation, I'm like, oh, here we go. But that soundtrack is again, another perfectly curated soundtrack of, like, Southern rock from, like, you know, a very specific era. And I mean, honestly, that song Fooled around and Fell in Love by Elvin Bishop. I've talked about this on another podcast before. But, like, that song rules and, like, Terry Reid's Brave Awakening, I'm like, yo, that song melts my face. Like, I like. It really got me into Southern classic, Southern rock. Like, that soundtrack really fucking set it up for me.

[Casey O'Brien]

So fascinating.

[Millie de Chirico]

Yeah, yeah. And now I love it.

[Casey O'Brien]

I gotta agree with you. Rushmore, that was another time where I saw that move. This sort of was. Like, I saw that movie, I started dressing differently, and I'm like, okay, actually, this is who I am now as a person. I'm different now, and I'm choosing to be this new personality. So that was like a pivot. And the soundtrack had a big part of that as well.

[Millie de Chirico]

Well, and, like, I love hearing. Cause Wes Anderson talked a lot about this when that movie came out, about how the soundtrack was influenced by just the notion of this being this, like, schoolboy troublemaker. And it was very influenced by, like, you know, like kind of 60s, like, British kitchen sink movies, like Albert Finney and Tom Courtney, stuff like, you know, and also, like, if with Malcolm McDowell, like, that kind of feeling of being this, like, prep school troublemaker. Like, I'm thinking of, like, Angus Young from acdc just being like, this bratty kid in a, you know, like a school uniform. And it's like you're listening to, like, the who and stuff, which is so. That's so evocative and so cool. And so, Yeah, I can totally see why that would be a personality like, that you'd want to adopt, you know,

[Casey O'Brien]

And I. I saw it in high school, and I was at a Catholic school where I'm wearing a uniform, so it was very EAS easy for me to kind of like, fold into that character, you know? Yes, yes. So with friends like you, who needs friends? Yeah, I love that, you know? Yeah, I kind of miss that type of, like, I feel like Bottle Rocket and Rushmore are the last two Wes Anderson movies that take place in the real world. You know, I always think about, like, Bill Murray's character in Rushmore. When they're at the pool scene, he's wearing a Budweiser swimsuit, which is, like, funny. But you would never see that happen in any other Wes Anderson movie, you know, like a detail like that. So I don't know, I kind of miss that one foot in reality a little bit. Wes Anderson. You know what I mean?

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[Millie de Chirico]

I mean, listen, I said this before on a previous episode, but I feel like once you took the Texas out of Wes Anderson and he moved to. To Europe.

[Casey O'Brien]

Yeah.

[Millie de Chirico]

It stopped being about Budweiser shorts and.

[Casey O'Brien]

Yeah. Those are the two Houston movies. They're both shot in Houston.

[Millie de Chirico]

Yeah.

[Casey O'Brien]

Yeah, we gotta get. He's got to get back to Houston.

[Millie de Chirico]

Yeah, you should make his. Make his movies in Texas and we'll see.

[Casey O'Brien]

Hell, yeah. Well, that's it for gripes, gropes and grats. Except I wanted to read this email to you real quick.

[Millie de Chirico]

Oh. Oh, okay.

[Casey O'Brien]

This is from Jolene, who sent in a voicemail for our movie date episode. She says, damn, Casey, you don't even know how right you were about identifying where I am from. I'm from Austin, Minnesota, hometown of spam. Lived there until after college, and then I moved to South Dakota. Midwest, right? Minnesota, right? South Dakota, Right. I am beyond impressed. Be sure to boast to Millie about your prowess in identifying Midwestern accents. Your sister in long O's and tater tot hot dish. Jolene. Hey, remember how I guessed?

[Millie de Chirico]

Yes.

[Casey O'Brien]

I thought that was pretty cool.

[Millie de Chirico]

You got a confirmation of your genius.

[Casey O'Brien]

I thought that was pretty cool.

[Millie de Chirico]

Yeah.

[Casey O'Brien]

My people.

[Millie de Chirico]

Your people. What is it? What is this? She signed off with hot dog. What?

[Casey O'Brien]

She said, your sister in Long O's. You know, in Minnesota, we kind of talk like this with our long O's, like that, you know, Casey o', Brien, Coca Cola. And then she said. And tater tot hot dish. What's that you never had Tater tot casserole? Tater tot hot dish.

[Millie de Chirico]

Hot dish. What the hell? Let me look this up.

[Casey O'Brien]

Tater tot hot dish. Basically, it's like cream of mushroom soup, ground beef, peas and peas and corn, I think. And then it's topped with tater tots.

[Millie de Chirico]

Oh, so it's kind of like a tuna casserole, but it's made with meat and topped with tater tots. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Casey O'Brien]

It's a casserole. We call hot. We call casseroles hot dishes in Minnesota.

[Millie de Chirico]

It. Do you really?

[Casey O'Brien]

Yeah.

[Millie de Chirico]

Are you serious? Like, I've never even heard that term, hot.

[Casey O'Brien]

I'm serious as a hard attack, man. Hot dish.

[Millie de Chirico]

Wow. This is all new info for me.

[Casey O'Brien]

Tater tot, it's funny, we call them hot dishes, but I call it tater tot casserole. And I would say tater tot casserole is a hot dish. It's stupid, but it is fucking good. It hits. Yeah, I love it.

[Millie de Chirico]

I mean, we have casseroles down here for sure, but I've never heard it caught a hot dish. I also. I'm looking at one. I'm looking at a picture of this hot dish, tater tot hot dish. The meat.

[Casey O'Brien]

I can't read your expression. The meat disgusting or delicious?

[Millie de Chirico]

Kind of. Kind of gnarly. Not gonna.

[Casey O'Brien]

You don't have as refined a palette for the Midwestern cuisine, Millie. I don't think you can. You can't keep up.

[Millie de Chirico]

Well, but I'm also, like, not super knowledgeable. Like, one of my good friends is from Ohio and she talks about Skyline Chili, and I'm like, I don't even know what. I've never had it. I don't know what it's.

[Casey O'Brien]

I don't deal with that. That sounds disgusting. Skyline chili is like chili on spaghetti.

[Millie de Chirico]

Why don't you give me like, a tasting menu of the best Midwestern classics?

[Casey O'Brien]

Yeah, I mean, tater tot hot dish would definitely be on there. It would 100% be on there. Spam.

[Millie de Chirico]

I've had Spam because I'm Filipino, but.

[Casey O'Brien]

Yes, yes, yes, yes. What else? I feel like I'm being put on the spot here. What else are we, like, known for? Well, let me do some research. I'll come up with a tasting menu.

[Millie de Chirico]

Say something about a dessert once. Like a. Is like a parfait type of thing or so. I don't know. You said you mentioned some kind of

[Casey O'Brien]

dessert and like, ambrosia.

[Millie de Chirico]

I don't know. Maybe it was something that, like a

[Casey O'Brien]

jello salad or something. Whatever those are. Like, I don't know.

[Millie de Chirico]

There's like some kind of cake. I don't remember.

[Casey O'Brien]

Oh, better than sex cake. Yeah. I don't know if that's Midwestern.

[Millie de Chirico]

Oh, okay.

[Casey O'Brien]

It might be, though. It's good. It got heath bars on there. I'm gonna think about this. Yeah, this is an interesting.

[Millie de Chirico]

Or maybe if, like, if there are other. Other, like, Jolene types out there that would be like, Millie, you have to try blank in order to understand what the Midwest is about. Please email us.

[Casey O'Brien]

Yeah, I'm trying to think of, like, things you make at home because there's like, certainly foods you can order that you wouldn't make at home that are like Midwestern. Like cheese curds, for example. But. Yeah, let me think about that.

[Millie de Chirico]

Okay.

[Casey O'Brien]

Put together a tasting menu for you.

[Millie de Chirico]

Yeah.

[Casey O'Brien]

Or, Millie, you could come to Minneapolis, come to Twin Cities, and we can feed you.

[Millie de Chirico]

Listen, I'm going to be in Chicago in July, so maybe I'll just.

[Casey O'Brien]

It's only a quick 7 hour drive.

[Millie de Chirico]

7 hours. I forgot how big America was.

[Casey O'Brien]

Yeah. You know, Minneapolis, we are kind of on our little island out here. You know, we're kind of. We're not that Close, like to other big cities. So yeah, it can be isolating.

[Millie de Chirico]

Fair enough.

[Casey O'Brien]

Anyways, thank you for everyone that wrote in. Love to hear your voices.

[Millie de Chirico]

Yes, for sure.

[Casey O'Brien]

But Millie, that's our show. We're all done.

[Millie de Chirico]

Are we? Do we have employee picks? Yeah,

[Casey O'Brien]

that's the lit. We'll get to that right now.

[Millie de Chirico]

Okay. Okay, cool.

[Casey O'Brien]

Recommendations based on the theme of the discussion today. Millie, what do you got?

[Millie de Chirico]

Well, I picked this because I haven't seen this essentially since it came out. And I was like, I should watch this movie again. But I'm going to pick this movie called Barbarian sound studio from 2012. Looked fucking great in 2012 when I saw it. Very influenced by Italian giallo movies from the 70s. But it's all about audio. It's about a guy that is doing the audio for a horror movie.

[Casey O'Brien]

Cool.

[Millie de Chirico]

Have you seen it?

[Casey O'Brien]

This looks great. I have not seen it, but this is right up my alley.

[Millie de Chirico]

It seems like you would love it and maybe we'll both be logging the movie soon.

[Casey O'Brien]

I'm going to put it on my list. Putting it on my Shocktober list for sure. Where we watch horror movies every day for a month. But yeah, this looks good. This looks great.

[Millie de Chirico]

Okay. Anyways, I'm going to recommend a movie

[Casey O'Brien]

called the Vast of Night, which is another kind of like more low budget indie movie horror movie about a small town in Oklahoma that is potentially visited by aliens. And it's about a group of young people who are kind of like, like there's like rumors that like aliens came or there was like a spaceship and they're flying in the sky and they're getting like weird messages and they're trying to find the source of all this stuff. And there is a lot of incorporation of people talking to people on the phone and listening to their story. Because one of the characters is a radio DJ and the other person is a telephone operator, you know, doing all the lines and stuff. And she's listening to people as they're talking to her. So there's like these long shots of just people listening. But it's really effective, it's really smart. It's really well made. And it was made by this guy who was a cameraman for the Oklahoma City Thunder. He like filmed their games and he just like raised money and shot it in this small town. And the whole town kind of came out to help make the movie. But it's really good and it's really kind of spooky and eerie. Has a great tone. It's a great cigarette movie. One of the characters is smoking the entire movie. The radio DJ guy. And it has a good movement to it. Like, it really just like moves fast and then slows way down and then picks up again. I don't know. I really thought this was like a really awesome movie that when it came out and it doesn't have anyone you'd recognize, but it's really good and you should check out. The vast of night will do.

[Millie de Chirico]

That sounds awesome.

[Casey O'Brien]

Yeah. Well, Millie, now it is actually the end of the show, so let's get to it. If you want to write in for film advice, gripes, gropes, grats, write into dear [e-mail] you can also leave us a voicemail. We love it when people record their beautiful voices and send them to us. Just record a voicemail on your phone, make sure it's under a minute and you're recording in a quiet place and email it to dearMoviesactlyRightMedia.com

[Millie de Chirico]

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[Casey O'Brien]

We would love again, as Millie said earlier in the episode, I do like it when people say they have crushes on both me and Millie. So feel free to include that in the review. I think that really helps drive people to the podcast too. If they're like, oh, this is a. A podcast that people, you know, that's hosted by people that everyone has a crush on. They must be really hot. And then they find the podcast and they're like, they are hot. So it's just everything kind of drives numbers to the podcast and that's important.

[Millie de Chirico]

Yes. Get Casey, the most attractive senior superlative that he so desperately deserves. Right.

[Casey O'Brien]

You know, my wife Trisha won a superlative in high school.

[Millie de Chirico]

What? What?

[Casey O'Brien]

Trisha won Cutest.

[Millie de Chirico]

Oh, that's so long.

[Casey O'Brien]

They got it right, I can tell you that much.

[Millie de Chirico]

Yeah, I mean, well deserved. And also what a one to win. God, if I had won Cutest, I would be milking that shit right now every day.

[Casey O'Brien]

Do you think it would have changed the trajectory of your entire life if you had won Cutest in the yearbook?

[Millie de Chirico]

Yes, of course. I would have, like, seen myself as attractive for the very first time in my entire life and have Been like, guess what? I'm just cutest. I'm the cutest. Cutest. Literally, without a doubt. There is no way I'm not the cutest.

[Casey O'Brien]

Yeah.

[Millie de Chirico]

And it's better. I'd rather be cute. I'd rather be cute. How about this? I'd rather be cutest than, like, most attractive. Because cutest means that you're also, like, charming.

[Casey O'Brien]

You know, there's a personality component to it.

[Millie de Chirico]

Yes.

[Casey O'Brien]

Now, Millie, let me ask you a very serious question.

[Millie de Chirico]

Okay.

[Casey O'Brien]

Would you prefer if someone was like. If you heard, okay, which of these scenarios would you prefer? They're both bad.

[Millie de Chirico]

Cool.

[Casey O'Brien]

If someone was like, oh, Millie de Chirico, she's so fun and smart and funny and charming, but she's ugly as hell.

[Millie de Chirico]

Right.

[Casey O'Brien]

So that's one option.

[Millie de Chirico]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Casey O'Brien]

Or would you prefer Millie de Chirico is stupid, unfunny, uninteresting, but, God, is she hot. Which one would you prefer? Number two.

[Millie de Chirico]

Number two. I didn't even let you finish.

[Casey O'Brien]

Yeah, she was flashing up, too. Absolutely. I would much prefer to be known as. I feel the exact same way. So we would both prefer to be known as hot and boring rather than interesting and ugly.

[Millie de Chirico]

So, listen, I know number two gives you a whole other set of problems at some point, especially as you age, but God damn, having been one or dabbled in one my entire life, like, people being like, billy, you're so funny and smart. Like, to be a hot person, to know how the other side lives, to never have, like, my neurotic thoughts of, like, anything, to just be brainless and beautiful, I would fucking. Give me a crack. Give me a crack at it. Just once. One day. One day where I walk around as a hot person. Are you kidding?

[Casey O'Brien]

Wouldn't it be, Millie, you got a new haircut and it looks great. So I think people are going to be calling you hot and stupid pretty soon.

[Millie de Chirico]

Listen, just put me in Sydney Sweeney for just, like 10 minutes just to see what it's like. I'm gonna listen. I ain't calling her stupid. I don't know her. But I just sang to be a hot. A hot lady. A hot blonde. Make me a hot blonde for about five minutes because I would just like to see what it's like, you know, a bizu.

[Casey O'Brien]

Do your thing. What about you haunting this podcast?

[Millie de Chirico]

Who would you get five minutes in, like, some hotties?

[Casey O'Brien]

Oh, my God. Hudson Williams. I would just, like. I would just be looking in the mirror and I would take a wooden spoon and I would just be running it across my abs. Like I'd be bouncing pennies on my. Off my ass. I mean, that's who I would. That's who I'd want to be. Him or Connor's story. I'd take either. Okay.

[Millie de Chirico]

Listen, I. I'd want to be them too, to be honest.

[Casey O'Brien]

Yeah. Anyways, I'm glad we covered that. That was an important topic to discuss. The podcast. Millie, we are on hiatus next week.

[Millie de Chirico]

Yes.

[Casey O'Brien]

No episode for a week.

[Millie de Chirico]

Yes. You're gonna miss us.

[Casey O'Brien]

Yes, I know. If, you know, if you miss us, just go on our Instagrams and stalk us for a little bit. But after that, this gives people plenty of time to watch the movie. Coming up in our first week of June. Nasty video. Nasty month.

[Millie de Chirico]

Correct. We're going to watch blood feast from 1963. Herschel Gordon Lewis, Fouad Ramsey's Catering. That's all you got to know.

[Casey O'Brien]

Millie, I'm going to admit something to you now. This is gonna be a first time watch.

[Millie de Chirico]

Fantastic. I cannot wait to hear your thoughts on what this movie could be for you.

[Casey O'Brien]

I can't wait to get into the oopy goopiness. I'm ready to dive right in with my swimming cap on.

[Millie de Chirico]

Well, this is very exciting. And please, you know, watch these movies along with us for Juneasty month because we're excited. So.

[Casey O'Brien]

Fantastic. Millie, have a good one.

[Millie de Chirico]

You too. Thank you so much. Goodbye.

[Casey O'Brien]

Bye. Bye.

[Millie de Chirico]

This has been an exactly right production. Hosted by me, Millie de Chirico, and produced by my co host, Casey o'. Brien.

[Casey O'Brien]

This episode was mixed by Tom Breifocel. Our associate producer is Christina Chamberlain. Our guest booker is Patrick Cotner, and our artwork is by Vanessa Lilac.

[Millie de Chirico]

Our incredible theme music is by the best band in the entire world, the Softies.

[Casey O'Brien]

Thank you to our executive producers, Karen Kilgariff, Georgia Hardstark, Daniel Kramer and Millie de Chirico. We love you. Goodbye. If you're a maintenance supervisor at a manufacturing facility and your machinery isn't working

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