Southern Gothic & Cat on a Hot Tin Roof (1958)

Summary

Podcast Title: Dear Movies, I Love You
Hosts: Millie de Chirico and Casey O'Brien
Episode: Southern Gothic & Cat on a Hot Tin Roof (1958)
Release Date: June 17, 2025

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Introduction to Southern Gothic

In this episode, Millie de Chirico and Casey O'Brien delve deep into the Southern Gothic genre, exploring its rich tapestry of themes and historical context. Southern Gothic isn't just a genre; it's a "tradition"—a "vibe" that encapsulates the duality of the South's sunny warmth juxtaposed with its underlying darkness and historical tragedies.

Millie de Chirico explains,

"Southern Gothic is a tradition. It's sort of a vibe. It's a genre... there's kind of like a swirling duality."
(02:07)

Defining Southern Gothic

The hosts discuss the defining elements of Southern Gothic, emphasizing recurring themes such as class disparity, racial tensions, decaying institutions, and the presence of outsiders struggling with societal norms. Millie highlights how these narratives often focus on the "decaying plantation" or the "breaking down of institutions," reflecting the South's tumultuous history.

Casey O'Brien adds,

"Characters in Southern Gothic literature are tangling with their own personal conflicts... while battling larger historical traditions."
(40:14)

Discussion on Cat on a Hot Tin Roof (1958)

A significant portion of the episode is dedicated to analyzing Tennessee Williams' classic, Cat on a Hot Tin Roof. The hosts break down the film's characters, themes, and its embodiment of Southern Gothic elements.

Millie de Chirico shares her favorite lines,

"Sister Mother...she's always like a whiny little bitch,"
exploring the strained family dynamics and underlying tensions.
(05:22)

Casey O'Brien provides a synopsis,

"Former football star and current day drunk Brick Pollitt... it's all one kind of evening."
(45:04)

They delve into the characters' complexities, highlighting Paul Newman's portrayal of Brick Pollitt as a "bisexual drunk," struggling with suppressed desires and societal expectations. The discussion touches on how the film subtly addresses homosexuality within the constraints of the 1950s Production Code.

Millie de Chirico remarks,

"Southern Gothic tradition is that whole undercurrent of like a sweltering sensuality, heat-induced sexuality."
(56:25)

Southern Nicknames and Cultural Archetypes

A lighthearted yet insightful segment explores the tradition of Southern nicknames depicted in the film. The hosts dissect names like Gooper, Big Daddy, and Sister Mother, examining their cultural significance and how they contribute to character development.

Casey O'Brien jokes,

"Beef o' Brien,"
while Millie de Chirico contemplates her own creative nickname,
"Dusty Beaver."
(59:38)

Film Diaries: Recent Watches

The hosts share their recent movie experiences, offering insights into their personal tastes and film critiques.

Millie de Chirico discusses Friendship and Peewee as Himself, highlighting her connection to the Southern Gothic genre and her appreciation for films that resonate with her personal experiences.

Casey O'Brien shares his fascination with the Mission Impossible series and his critical take on Dredd (2012), showcasing his diverse interests ranging from action-packed blockbusters to more nuanced cinematic works.

Listener Questions and Film Advice

The episode features engaging interactions with listeners, addressing topics like the perception of Nepo babies in the film industry and recommendations for short films.

Jackie from New York asks,

"Do you have a favorite film involving a Nepo baby?"
(66:37)

Millie and Casey discuss the evolving reputation of Nepo babies, acknowledging both the challenges and charm they bring to the industry. They highlight favorites like Jason Ritter and Amanda Plummer, emphasizing the importance of authenticity and personal effort beyond familial connections.

Short Films Recommendations

Responding to Ryan's inquiry about short films, Millie and Casey suggest platforms like Vimeo, YouTube, and Criterion Channel as excellent sources for discovering compelling short narratives. They recommend specific shorts like Rachel by Andrew DeYoung, praising its tense and relatable storytelling.

Employee Picks

In their favorite picks segment, Millie and Casey recommend iconic Southern Gothic films, including:

• Night of the Hunter (1955): Lauded for its haunting portrayal of a Southern preacher and its masterful direction by Charles Laughton.
• Wise Blood (1979): Directed by John Huston, celebrated for its unique take on Southern spirituality and corruption.

Casey O'Brien enthuses,

"Wise Blood is a Southern Gothic tale that deals with corrupt preachers and fantastical elements."
(82:37)

Upcoming Episodes and Teasers

Looking ahead, the hosts tease their next episode focused on 90s camp movies and Heavyweights (1995), expressing excitement about exploring this nostalgic and unique genre. They promise to delve into the camp culture of the '90s and discuss how certain themes resonate with contemporary audiences.

Casey O'Brien hints,

"We're talking about 90s camp movies and the movie Heavyweights from 1995. It's a nostalgia bomb."
(84:36)

Conclusion

Millie and Casey wrap up the episode by encouraging listeners to engage with them through emails and social media, inviting further discussions and questions about films. They reiterate their love for the Southern Gothic genre and express gratitude for exploring such a rich cinematic tradition.

Millie de Chirico concludes,

"I can't tell you how personally attached I feel to this genre. It's a tradition of outsiderness and otherness that is really interesting."
(63:38)

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Notable Quotes:

• Millie de Chirico on Southern Gothic duality:

  "There's kind of a swirling duality."
  (02:07)

• Casey O'Brien on character conflicts:

  "Battling larger historical traditions."
  (40:14)

• Millie de Chirico on production code influence:

  "It's doing a pretty good job of toeing that line."
  (49:53)

• Casey O'Brien on Paul Newman’s character:

  "Bisexual drunk... using drugs and alcohol to numb the pain."
  (52:18)

• Millie de Chirico on Southern nicknames:

  "It's kind of fallen out of fashion these days."
  (59:31)

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Transcript

[Millie de Chirico]

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[Millie de Chirico]

Well, hey there Casey O' Brien.

[Casey O'Brien]

Well, hey there Millie de Cherico. Millie, this is a big episode. We're talking about Southern Gothic and Cat on a Hot Tin Roof, which is a topic very near and dear to your heart.

[Millie de Chirico]

You just said roof.

[Casey O'Brien]

That's how I say it in Minnesota. I say roof.

[Millie de Chirico]

That's what I'm saying.

[Casey O'Brien]

Like I can't do this properly.

[Millie de Chirico]

Have you ever lived in the South? Have you spent, have you spent time in the south at all?

[Casey O'Brien]

Yes, I have. I have been to Alabama, Georgia, Louisiana, Mississippi, Arkansas. Yeah, been to all those places. I've never been to north or South Carolina. But you consider that the south too, right?

[Millie de Chirico]

Oh yeah. Oh yeah.

[Casey O'Brien]

Okay.

[Millie de Chirico]

I just saw a tick tock the other day that was a video podcast where these two Southern guys were kind of talking about Florida and yeah, their take on what parts of Florida are the south and what parts of Florida are not the South. And they are probably the best explanation and the best reasoning that I'd ever heard, because, as everybody knows, like, there's the. The. The Deep south, but then there's a different type of south, which is like Texas. You know what I mean? I feel like Texas south and Alabama south are two different things. I feel like.

[Casey O'Brien]

Well, what do you consider the true dirty South?

[Millie de Chirico]

Dirty south would be anything below. I would say below West Virginia. Right. Or maybe like Virginia and below Virginia and below.

[Casey O'Brien]

So you consider Virginia the South?

[Millie de Chirico]

Yeah, I think I do. I do. Definitely West Virginia, but I would say Kentucky, Tennessee, North Carolina, South Carolina, Georgia, Alabama, Mississippi. I mean, Arkansas is interesting because I've actually heard people say it's not the south. And people do. I think the Arkansas is the south because of the Ozarks.

[Casey O'Brien]

Well, it's interesting because, like, states like Missouri. Missouri, that's kind of a transitional state because it is Midwestern, but some people consider that there's sort of a Southern twinge to that state as well.

[Millie de Chirico]

Yeah, I would say Missouri is Midwest person.

[Casey O'Brien]

I would, too. But it's kind of. It's got. It's not a. Like, Minnesota, where I'm from, is so completely and utterly only the Midwest.

[Millie de Chirico]

Yes, you know, I would agree with.

[Casey O'Brien]

But also where there are states that are kind of like, in between tweeners.

[Millie de Chirico]

Yeah. You know, well, and like, to that point. So Oklahoma, I feel like Oklahoma and Texas are Southern states, but they're not part of the Deep South. They're like a different type of South. I don't know. It's interesting. People love to debate it, too, by the way. But anyway, to my original point about Florida, Panhandle, this is. This is according to what I heard on this. On this video podcast. And I cosign 100%. Panhandle is the South. Jacksonville is sort of south of. Jason. Anything above Orlando is pretty much the South. Past Southern, past Orlando, going south, not the South. Especially Miami. Miami is not definitely not the South.

[Casey O'Brien]

It's so weird that Miami's even in that state.

[Millie de Chirico]

Miami is just like New Orleans. It's like this. It's like another country. There's a lot of, like.

[Casey O'Brien]

It's like Washington, D.C. even though New.

[Millie de Chirico]

Orleans is the south for sure, but it also feels like a European country. That's kind of how Miami feels.

[Casey O'Brien]

Interesting.

[Millie de Chirico]

Yeah.

[Casey O'Brien]

Well, Millie, we got a lot of Southern talk going on, but I believe you prepared something.

[Millie de Chirico]

Oh, my God, yeah.

[Casey O'Brien]

Can you give it as an example? I just want to hear what. What's going on, you know, something that can. A teaser for the upcoming episode.

[Millie de Chirico]

Well, okay. So I figured I would do a line from the movie that we're going to be discussing this week. Cat on a Hot Tin Roof. One of my favorite characters in the film, the character of Sister Mother, AKA May Pollute, played by Madeline Sherwood. She's always like a whiny little bitch, which is why I like her so much. And she's the mother of the no neck little monsters that Maggie Elizabeth Taylor are always complaining about. Yes, but this is, this is Sister Mother talking to Big Mama. Cooper is your first born. Why he always had to carry a bigger load of the responsibilities than Brick. Brick never carried a thing in his life but a football or a highball. And fantastic.

[Casey O'Brien]

Wonderful. I the, I mean the nicknames in this. We're going to get into that because some really great nicknames. There's nothing made me jealous. Nothing like a southern nickname for Southern nickname. Oh my God. Well, so we're going to be talking about Southern Gothic films. Cat on a Hot tin roof from 1958. But we're also going to be answering some film advice. And we are your film advisors. We will advise you and guide you through these hard times by answering some of your questions. And that's about it.

[Millie de Chirico]

That is about it. But stay tuned. It's going to be a fun episode. You are listening to Dear Movies, I love you. Dear Movies, I love you, and I've.

[Casey O'Brien]

Got to know if you love me too. Yes or no.

[Millie de Chirico]

Check the box below. Alrighty, folks, you are listening to Dear Movies, I Love youe. This is a podcast for those who are in a very problematic relationship with films. Maybe there's some, you know, feelings underneath the surface that are bubbling up that you're not supposed to have that are unnatural.

[Casey O'Brien]

But it feels so good.

[Millie de Chirico]

That's right. My name is Melita Cherco.

[Casey O'Brien]

I'm Casey o' Brien.

[Millie de Chirico]

And yeah, this entire episode is. This is like my version of our Purple Rain episode where it's extremely location specific and it's my location this time.

[Casey O'Brien]

So, Millie, very quickly, I'm detouring us already. I have to. I have a question for you.

[Millie de Chirico]

Oh, boy.

[Casey O'Brien]

Yeah, tell me about your Taco Bell experiments that you've been conducting.

[Millie de Chirico]

Okay, so this, I actually have to go back a little bit further because I, this is a, A, a instance in my life where I feel like I, I've won the lottery in a lot of ways. So I, you know about the Rancho Gordo Bean Club. Have you heard about this? Bean Club?

[Casey O'Brien]

Yes. I'm I'm aware I'm not trying to be a member, but I have friends who have a. Are trying to be a member. It's hard to get in.

[Millie de Chirico]

Very hard to get in. So this is.

[Casey O'Brien]

It's like the Eyes Wide Shut society. Oh, yeah, the bean club.

[Millie de Chirico]

The password is Fidelio. Yeah, for sure.

[Casey O'Brien]

Yes.

[Millie de Chirico]

So basically, this is an incredible heirloom bean distributor or manufacturer. They're based out of California, and they have the best beans. They're like great rare, but also tasty beans. And they have a club where I think it's like quarterly. You get a big box full of like, you know, random beans. And a lot of them are like, you know, like I said heirloom or like, kind of rare stuff. And then they always throw in some hot sauces or some chili powders and things. And so I just have a lot of beans in my life now. And I was looking at them and I was like, you know what? I think I want to try this. I don't know about you, but I still fuck heavy with Taco Bell.

[Casey O'Brien]

100%.

[Millie de Chirico]

Okay, good.

[Casey O'Brien]

I love Taco Bell.

[Millie de Chirico]

I absolutely love it. It's the one, I gotta say, it's the one fast food place that I have not stopped going to over the years for like, you know, I don't know, at most, like, you eat a lot of fast food and then you kind of drop off as you get to be like 30 maybe.

[Casey O'Brien]

I'm not totally familiar with this drop off, but continue.

[Millie de Chirico]

Well, you know what I mean? Like, you're not.

[Casey O'Brien]

Yes.

[Millie de Chirico]

Yeah. You're not, you know, at Waffle House for every meal necessarily anymore. That's my point. But it's. It's the one where I was always like. I come back to it all the time. And it had been a while and I went to Taco Bell. Cause I was shopping in this one area of town and I was starving. And the only place that you must talk about is I'm there. And I got myself a couple of bean burritos. Just plain old school bean burritos. I take the onions and red sauce off. Cause I feel like it. I personally do not like onions and red sauce in the bean burrito. I just like the bean and the cheese. And so I was like, holy shit, if this isn't the most delicious thing again consistently, for decades. The best though, dude. The best thing in the world. Put them in the refrigerator.

[Casey O'Brien]

Oh.

[Millie de Chirico]

Next morning, a cold bean and cheese Taco Bell bean burrito. Fucking uncle Believable, dude. Like, I was like, I Will never eat these fresh. I only want them cold.

[Casey O'Brien]

Are you a cold pizza person?

[Millie de Chirico]

I do love a cold pizza once.

[Casey O'Brien]

In a while, man, that. I'm not a cold pizza person. So this burrito freeze is scaring me a little bit.

[Millie de Chirico]

But listen, maybe, I don't know, as a breakfast option, like, you never think about this breakfast option. A little cold, refrigerated bean and cheese bean burrito is absolutely to die for. So I was so amped that I was like, guess what? I'm gonna recreate. I'm gonna go recreate a Taco Bell bean burrito in my own home using these heirloom beans.

[Casey O'Brien]

Wow.

[Millie de Chirico]

So I made a huge pot of refried beans. I cooked them. They're basically the Rio. I think it's called Rio Zape or Rio Zapy. I don't know how to pronounce them, but it's kind of like a pinto bean fried, a little garlic, onion, and bacon. Put them shits in the pot with the. With the soaked beans with the. The bacon trimmings, like the bacon fat, a little chili powder, and hours later took a little masher to them shits. Put them in a tortilla with some sharp cheddar, man. It was.

[Casey O'Brien]

That sounds good.

[Millie de Chirico]

I got it, dude. That was.

[Casey O'Brien]

It looked good.

[Millie de Chirico]

I'm gonna tell you right now, most of the time when I try to recreate things, I'm bad. I like. I'm actually not, like, too good of a cook. I nailed it. I'm sorry.

[Casey O'Brien]

I'm gonna have.

[Millie de Chirico]

I'm gonna have another one after we're done.

[Casey O'Brien]

Do you think the bean club president would be mad that you're using their. Their high quality beans to make Taco Bell riffs?

[Millie de Chirico]

I mean, he should not be. He should not be at all.

[Casey O'Brien]

I agree.

[Millie de Chirico]

Yeah, I. I tagged him in my post, so I don't know if he. If he has something to say about it. He can come in my mentions. I'll find him.

[Casey O'Brien]

Jump in the mentions. Fabulous. Well, I just wanted to. I just wanted a little bit of an explanation about that because I found it interesting and it looked delicious.

[Millie de Chirico]

The takeaway case is Eat a cold bean burrito from Taco Bell.

[Casey O'Brien]

Okay. Love to hear from our listeners what they think of that. I personally find it a little disturbing, but I'd be interested to hear how other people feel about eating a cold burrito for breakfast. But this is not a Taco Bell podcast. This is not a bean podcast. This is a movie podcast. And we start every episode by opening up our film diaries and talking about the movies we saw this last week. So let us open up our large volume diary and discuss the movies we watched. Millie, what have you watched?

[Millie de Chirico]

Sorry, I'm out of breath. Because this film diary. So heavy.

[Casey O'Brien]

It's so heavy. And you have to carry it to our recordings every time.

[Millie de Chirico]

Okay. I saw two huge films, dude. Huge.

[Casey O'Brien]

Lay it on me.

[Millie de Chirico]

Number one is I saw Friendship.

[Casey O'Brien]

Ah. I haven't seen. Want to see Friendship? I hear it's a pro cigarette movie.

[Millie de Chirico]

Is it really? Oh, yeah, maybe it is.

[Casey O'Brien]

That was a headline to an article I saw. I'm not sure, but continue, please.

[Millie de Chirico]

This is a movie that came out since it came out last year, but I saw it this year in a movie theater. So I don't know what the real story is with that, but it stars the comedian Tim Robinson and the comedic actor Paul Rudd. And it is. It's a very, very dark comedy. I believe that it moves into the horror movie realm.

[Casey O'Brien]

That's what everybody's saying.

[Millie de Chirico]

Yeah, it is like. Well, first of all, I think I'm gonna say this. I feel like you will love this movie if you're a fan of Tim Robinson big time.

[Casey O'Brien]

Okay.

[Millie de Chirico]

And I am a fan. So I was. I was like.

[Casey O'Brien]

But that is a specific breed. That's a specific genre.

[Millie de Chirico]

I agree. And what are some of the shows that he was. He was on the Netflix show.

[Casey O'Brien]

I think you should leave. He did Detroiters. Those are kind of his two big shows.

[Millie de Chirico]

I think you'll enjoy the movie if you love Tim Robinson's comedy. I happen to. I think it's. If you enjoy Paul Rudd, you'll love it. I mean, it is literally about these two white dad guys or husbands who are neighbors. And it all plays upon the idea that, like, straight white married guys, like, have no friends.

[Casey O'Brien]

I mean, this is a movie for me.

[Millie de Chirico]

It's true. I knew that going in because I was like, no, y' all don't have friends. It's so true. And it kind of examines. I mean, I'm gonna. It's a funny, sometimes dumb movie. I'm gonna put my, like, little intellectual, like, psychology 101 spin on it and say it is literally like what happens when we examine the idea that straight white guys have formed no social ties with each other, who have never been able to be vulnerable and sensitive because of the culture and how patriarchy is basically destroying the. The ways in which men interact with each other where they can't help but be freaks whenever they do meet somebody that is, like, maybe has an interest that they have and they just, like, go feral. They go feral with the experience.

[Casey O'Brien]

I mean, some of what you said can be applied to the movie we're talking about today. Oh, my God.

[Millie de Chirico]

Right?

[Casey O'Brien]

I'm excited to see it. It looks great. I kind of have a loose. I kind of. I know the sister of the director, so I've always been kind of aware of him, but I've never actually met him. So I'm excited to see it.

[Millie de Chirico]

My one critique, and it's very, very small, is that one of my favorite comedians or comedic actors of all time is in the film. But he has, like, virtually no lines, and it drives me absolutely crazy.

[Casey O'Brien]

Isn't that weird when you, like, see an actor in a movie that's, like, recognizable and I don't know if their scene got cut short or something, but they have no lines, but they're like, there.

[Millie de Chirico]

Yes. His name is John Glazer. I'm sure you know John Glazer. He used to be.

[Casey O'Brien]

He has his own TV show.

[Millie de Chirico]

Yep. He used to do Delocated on Adult Swim. And he's been in so many things. He's been on Conan o' Brien. I think that's where he first got his start. But I. I love him. I think he's like one of the funniest dudes I've ever seen. And I'm like, why did he not hawk in that movie?

[Casey O'Brien]

Not to be confused with Academy Award winning director Jonathan Glazer.

[Millie de Chirico]

No, the one that got. The one that made that depressing movie Zone of interest. Yep.

[Casey O'Brien]

Fabulous. What's the other movie? Huge movie.

[Millie de Chirico]

The other huge movie that I watched was a documentary on HBO Max, called Peewee as himself.

[Casey O'Brien]

Oh, I gotta watch it. I love Peewee.

[Millie de Chirico]

Now I sort of know the director, Matt Wolf. He is the partner of my friend Carl, who I've known for, like a million years. And I pretty much. I think I met Carl off LiveJournal, much like I met Danielle off LiveJournal. But I love Carl and I know Matt through Carl, basically, even though I'm not sure we've ever hung out in person. But even more interestingly is that my connection to Matt is actually more through his father, which is strange to say.

[Casey O'Brien]

Oh.

[Millie de Chirico]

So Carl told me a long time ago that Matt's dad is like a humongous TCM fan and actually publishes his own weekly newsletter about TCM that he sends to his friends that gives. It's like his employee picks, basically.

[Casey O'Brien]

This is like a substack. Pre. Substack.

[Millie de Chirico]

Absolutely. And so I was like. When I was still working at tcm. I was like, well, I gotta see this newsletter. So I. I emailed him. I emailed Sandy, that's Matt's dad. And I was like, hi. So I would love to read your newsletter. I'm. You know, full disclosure, I'm a programmer at tcm. But I would just love to read it because I feel like I would enjoy it and I would love to see what you like. And he wrote back. He was very nice. But he said right off the bat, he was like, listen, I don't tailor this shit to nobody. Like, he didn't say it in those words, but he was like, you think I'm gonna go easy because a programmer's reading my newsletter?

[Casey O'Brien]

Oh, my God.

[Millie de Chirico]

He's like, I am honest and I don't care who. This is my real feelings. And I was like, sandy, go for it. I mean, you say what you wanna say. And he has never held back, by the way. Like, he loves calling the programmers the suits. So he'll say in his newsletter, like, oh, the suits put on another Katharine Hepburn festival today and didn't have, you know, Christopher Strong, what's wrong with the suits this week? Or like, oh, my God, I love it. I love it so much. So I'm obsessed with Matt's dad.

[Casey O'Brien]

Yeah. Does he still write this newsletter?

[Millie de Chirico]

Yes, I still get it. I still get it to this day. I don't even work there anymore. I told him I got laid off, and, you know, he was apologetic.

[Casey O'Brien]

But a suit? No longer.

[Millie de Chirico]

Yes. But having said that, I obviously do not have to tell you about how much I enjoy the Pee Wee documentary. It's two parts on hbo. There's a lot out there right now. Like, Matt wrote a piece for, I think it's New York Magazine, talking about his involvement. Because as you watch it, you'll understand why he's more involved than, say, you know, a normal documentarian who's making a movie about someone. I had a lot of feelings while watching. It is. Yeah, it is great. Like, it. It is wonderful. Like, it's made wonderfully. It's the tempo of. It is great. Matt did an amazing job. So anyway.

[Casey O'Brien]

Incredible.

[Millie de Chirico]

Sorry. That's my long winded response to that, to seeing that. But that is my film diary for this week.

[Casey O'Brien]

I can't wait to watch it. I was a huge Pee Wee Herman, Pee Wee's Playhouse, and Pee Wee's Big Adventure fan when I was a kid. Those were, like, fundamental shows and movies for me. And I got to work with Paul Reubens a little bit. On his Pee Wee Herman Radio Hour, which was an hour long special they did on KCRW that is basically like a Pee Wee's Playhouse radio hour. But he's playing actually he's playing like he's a dj and all these characters from Pee Wee's Playhouse show up like clocky and stuff. And you know, he's an artist and he was very particular. And so it took years to make this one hour radio program. I mean, he had like huge notes about the sound design and like, this sound is wrong. And we were constantly re cutting and re recording. And I was like the third editor that got brought on. But I got to work with him a little bit, editing and recording some stuff. And eventually it became like we started with him sitting next to me while we listened. And I was supposed to edit while he would listen along live. But I feel like he was kind of like, I don't like working this way. Like, this is like too high pressure or something. So eventually we would just like edit something, send it to him. He'd send a million notes. Edit it, send it to him. He'd send a million minus four notes.

[Millie de Chirico]

Yeah.

[Casey O'Brien]

And it just sort of kept going. That went on for a really long time. But we got a system down and eventually we got it done. And you can still listen to that on kcrw.com wow. The pee Wee Herman Radio Hour.

[Millie de Chirico]

That's amazing.

[Casey O'Brien]

It's really cool. It's like a really. It's like if you like Pee Wee's Playhouse, it's just like that. So. But I. I think of him as like a real artist and a real unique person. And I cannot wait to watch that documentary.

[Millie de Chirico]

You're gonna love it. I mean, honestly, there's. The archival footage is to die for. I mean, it's like, yeah, like he was a collector, which like, that was a thing that I actually didn't realize about Paul Rubens was just how like he was so cool and like punk rock and like transgressive and was like into like cool things. And he like, his house was. Seemed like it was just like filled to the brim with like old pop culture ephemera and like things they had kept over the years. It would look like a museum.

[Casey O'Brien]

So, yeah, it's inspiring. It's inspiring to see. I mean, I know a little bit about just the way he lived and like, I don't know, it's just like inspiring. It's like you can live the way you want to live. Like you can create the world you want to live in. And I just think that's so cool. Amazing.

[Millie de Chirico]

Well, your turn.

[Casey O'Brien]

I'm going to say the movies I saw.

[Millie de Chirico]

Yeah.

[Casey O'Brien]

So I watched a few movies this past week. I've been watching a lot of the Mission Impossibles. I rewatched Mission Impossible, Rogue Nation and Mission Impossible, Ghost Protocol. Have not seen the new one yet, but I will. Then I watched. You're not a Mission Impossible fan and you hate Tom Cruise.

[Millie de Chirico]

Yeah, I only like Tom Cruise in Interview with a Vampire pretty much.

[Casey O'Brien]

Okay.

[Millie de Chirico]

Like, I.

[Casey O'Brien]

He's a problematic fave of mine. I mean, obviously his involvement with the Scientology kids, I don't love. But I do appreciate his love of the cinema and movie theater experience. And I. I love these movies. I. I love them.

[Millie de Chirico]

So people listen. You're not the only one. I'm the odd woman out here, so.

[Casey O'Brien]

Sure. Okay. And then I watched a movie I really disliked called Dread the Judge. Dread movie from 2012. I don't know, it's by Alex Garland, but it just felt like a mess. And there's like a certain way that movies were shot in like the early 2000s where it's like everything looks absolutely fried, like yellow. Do you know what I'm talking about? Like, there's a lot of Tony Scott movies that look like that.

[Millie de Chirico]

Doesn't Soderbergh do a little bit of fry?

[Casey O'Brien]

He does a little bit of fry, yeah. But his is a little bit more golden to me. But I just feel like there's this certain look that just makes me feel gross. And this movie feels like that I didn't really enjoy this one.

[Millie de Chirico]

Can I ask you, like a real ass question? What compels you to randomly watch something like this? I mean, this movie came out in 2012.

[Casey O'Brien]

Yeah. I mean, I feel like people like that, I. There are. Okay. So, you know, I'm a film scholar, as everyone knows, and so I like to watch my, you know, my John Dielman's, my. My 400 Blows, my, you know, seven samurai type movies as a part of my studies, you know, but sometimes I just want to watch something kind of schlocky and violent and sci fi. And I really like sci fi action, big budget movies. I love Starship Troopers. So I seek out movies like that.

[Millie de Chirico]

Yeah.

[Casey O'Brien]

And Dread was a movie like that ended up on my list because I feel like people have talked positively about that movie. It's an Alex Garland penned movie. And so that's how I got there.

[Millie de Chirico]

See? Yeah, I guess this is an age thing because I'm looking at this, I'm like, oh, I Know Wood Harris. I don't know anybody else in this movie. I mean, I guess I do know Dom Hall Gleason a little bit. But it's like to me, I'm like, I have. We used to joke about this on. I saw what you did all the time. That I have, like a complete and utter blindness to movies that were made in the 2000s or later. I guess I was just out there smoking cigarettes and running the streets.

[Casey O'Brien]

It was like you were like unfrozen caveman lawyer.

[Millie de Chirico]

Yes.

[Casey O'Brien]

Of that time. And we've defrosted you and we're educating you now.

[Millie de Chirico]

Yeah. And because I'm like looking at the stuff going like, oh, I barely remember what, looper 2012.

[Casey O'Brien]

Yeah.

[Millie de Chirico]

I barely remember that movie that just came up next to dread when I googled it.

[Casey O'Brien]

But it's like, I haven't seen that, but yeah. Yeah.

[Millie de Chirico]

Anyway, I'm just fascinating.

[Casey O'Brien]

That's part of my process. And sometimes I love action movies. I love sci fi movies. I mean, I love movies. I love Paul Verhoeven movies. Sure. And I'm. I'm always kind of chasing that high of Robocop or what's the one with Arnold Schwarzenegger? Why am I blanking on that one? The Total Recall. No, Total Recall. I love Total Recall. So I'm kind of like chasing that. Hi. All the time. Okay. Anyways, there's a movie I actually thought was good and I want to talk about it.

[Millie de Chirico]

All right, let's go.

[Casey O'Brien]

It's called. It's from 2024 and it's called EFIS. Have you heard about this movie?

[Millie de Chirico]

No.

[Casey O'Brien]

It's a baseball movie and it is a really low budget small movie. And here's the kind of synopsis. As an imminent construction project looms over their beloved small town baseball field, a pair of New England rec teams face off for the last time. Tensions flare up and ceremonial laughs are shared as an era of camaraderie and escapism fades into an uncertain future. It's a really good, just kind of like slacker baseball movie of these old farts playing baseball one last time in their rec leagues. But it's really slow, too. It's like a. It's. It's. It's basically you're watching an entire baseball game and it's really interesting and structurally it's unlike anything I've ever seen. But it's also really funny and silly and it's just like a bunch of old farts yelling at each other and playing baseball. And I think you'd really like it. Millie.

[Millie de Chirico]

I. Am I seeing this right, that Frederick Wiseman is in the cast?

[Casey O'Brien]

Frederick Wiseman does, like, he's like a radio voice that you hear once or twice. So he's not in it.

[Millie de Chirico]

Oh, God. I was like, oh, my God. That would be amazing if he was acting in a film.

[Casey O'Brien]

No, but it's. It's. I think you. This is, like, right up your alley. Oh, sure, Millie. So I really enjoyed it. I thought it was really interesting.

[Millie de Chirico]

APIs is spelled E, E, P H, U, S. Yes.

[Casey O'Brien]

And it's a pitch. It's a specific pitch.

[Millie de Chirico]

Oh, I see. Yeah, this looks cool. I'm like, I'm googling it and going, damn this. This is going deep.

[Casey O'Brien]

There's actually two guys from Uncut Gems that are in it. I see old, old guys. Yeah, yeah, check it out.

[Millie de Chirico]

Great. ES will do.

[Casey O'Brien]

Great.

[Millie de Chirico]

Awesome.

[Casey O'Brien]

All right, we really got to move on here. Let's close it up.

[Millie de Chirico]

God.

[Casey O'Brien]

Dusty, crusty, musty Millie threw her back out. Clothes in the diagram.

[Millie de Chirico]

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[Casey O'Brien]

All right, moving on to our main discussion, which is Southern Gothic movies and Cat on a Hot tin roof from 1958. Did I say it normal that time? Because I usually say roof.

[Millie de Chirico]

Yeah, I guess you did say it normal. Were you trying to say it normal?

[Casey O'Brien]

I was trying to say roof normally. Okay, thank you. Thank you so much, Millie. This was a first time watch for me and I'm a fan of Southern Gothic movies, but I guess and literature. I've read a lot of Flannery o' Connor.

[Millie de Chirico]

Have you?

[Casey O'Brien]

But what do you. What in your estimation? It doesn't need to be the, you know, the dictionary definition. What do you make something Southern Gothic.

[Millie de Chirico]

So, okay, without going into a huge history lesson, of course, I mean, and you know, you'll forgive me if I'm not gonna go beat by beat into like the entire history of the term and, you know, the literature and everything like that. Right. So what I consider.

[Casey O'Brien]

Lay off, Millie. Everybody. Historians. Back off.

[Millie de Chirico]

Yeah. Like, I don't have to be comprehensive. I'm not the Encyclopedia Britannica. Okay? To me, Southern Gothic is a tradition. It's sort of a vibe. It's a genre. I personally think that there's a couple of different, you know, topics or sort of recurring themes that pop up because the south as, you know, very historical. Lots of tragedy. Some good stuff too. But a lot of, you know, big issues played out down here. There was like, you know, where slavery happened. It's where, you know, race riots happened. It's where, you know, there's a lot of. The south is very like, has a lot of, you know, darkness mixed with the lightness. Because the south can also be very sunny and warm and friendly. Everybody feels like Southerners are super extra friendly and they want to tell you their life story every time you talk to them at a gas station. It's that kind of vibe. So there's kind of like a swirling duality. If you Will, kind of the way we talked about it in the noir episode with, you know, la, right, LA is sunny but dark. Same thing. I think. I think when it comes, like, down to it, if you want to kind of pick out a couple of recurring themes that happen within this kind of Southern Gothic tradition, you've got, obviously, big topics of class and race and all these, like, big kind of social issues that play into a lot of the stories, right? These, like, Southern Gothic tales, you know, a lot about outsiders that come in. I mean, a lot of times it's, you know, people who, you know. I mean, if you think about To Kill a Mockingbird, which I feel like is probably the most famous Southern Gothic story that has, you know, been written at least until this point. Or, you know, if it's not To Kill a Mockingbird, it's. It's. It's in the top three for sure. But as we know about To Kill a Mockingbird, it's about race and violence and, you know, mental illness and, you know, this kind of. These kind of things. It's all about the ways in which we treat people who are different than us. And I think that that's a common theme within Southern Gothic literature and storytelling. You also have the kind of idea of the kind of decaying or the breaking down of institutions. You think about stories like Streetcar Named Desire. You know, it was written by Tennessee Williams. You think about, like, Bellerive, about this, like, decaying plantation. This, you know, idea of, like, things are breaking down, right? Marriages are breaking down. People's mental states are breaking down. You know, towns are breaking down, down and becoming ghost town. So there's this kind of, like, recurring decay theme happening in a lot of these stories. But also you have this, like, a lot of times it's very darkly humorous. So you've got, like, you know, dark humor. People who are kind of. It's like. There's an irony a lot of times with certain characters, you know, people who shouldn't be best friends or best friends, and you're like, how is that even possible? You know, I'm thinking about, like, the Heart is a Lonely Hunter that was written by Carson McCullers about, you know, that sort of thing of, like, two unlikely people hanging out together. There's also, a lot of times, you know, there's like, kind of supernatural elements, too. Like, you know, sometimes it's magic, sometimes it's kind of fantastical worlds. I mean, I would say that the movie Eaves by youy is like a Southern Gothic tale. And, of course, you know, about that movie. And if you've seen that movie, it's about, like, magic and, you know, and like, sort of that. That kind of thing. And so, I don't know. I mean, I think there's a lot of different kind of recurring things that are happening. A lot of family strife. That's a huge one. That's a huge thing for Tennessee Williams, but it's also for Pat Conroy, who is one of my favorite Southern Gothic writers. So, yeah, I mean, I would say there. There was. I think, when it comes to film, right. So there was this proliferation of film adaptations that were happening kind of in the 50s and 60s in Hollywood, right. And if you think about people like William Faulkner and Carson McCullers and Flannery O' Connor and Tennessee Williams, you know, they were kind of writing stories in, like, the 30s and 40s. And so a lot of their work was being adapted, like, in the 50s and 60s in Hollywood, which. Including Cat on a Hot Tin Roof. But you've got stuff like To Kill a Mockingbird. Harper Lee obviously wrote that in Cold Blood. Truman Capote, another big Southern Gothic writer. Flannery o' Connor doing Wise Blood. You know, like I said. I mentioned Streetcar. I mentioned the Heart is the Lonely Hunter, the Sound and the Fury. I personally, like I said, I love Pat Conroy, and it's because I grew up in South Carolina a little bit when I was a child. So I think the Prince of Tides and the Great Santini are like Southern Gothic masterpieces, if you will. But I would say that there was a golden period, which I feel like is in the era of Cat on a Hot Tin Roof. There was a kind of stable of actors that were appearing in a lot of these Tennessee Williams adaptations, including Paul Newman and Elizabeth Taylor. So I don't know. I think when we were kind of talking about Southern Gothic, I was like, oh, I feel like Cat on the Hot Tin Roof has to be the anchor film because it is the kind of best representation of everything.

[Casey O'Brien]

Yeah, it's interesting. You were talking about the decay of these sort of historical structures in the Southern Gothic genre. And I think a lot of the characters in Southern Gothic literature are both tangling with their own personal conflicts and personal issues that they have with people in their family and themselves internally. But they also are kind of battling these larger historical traditions, which are sometimes decaying. And it's like whether they're trying to uphold those historical traditions or those historical traditions are crushing them, you know, but it's a. It's kind of something that is Always, it feels like looming. It's kind of this fog over all of these. All these movies and all these books that there's this sort of this. Yeah. This historical weight that everybody is carrying.

[Millie de Chirico]

Well, and to me, I feel like there is something to be said for. You know, a lot of these Southern Gothic writers were queer, and they had to. They're writing stories, you know, about outsiders, about people who have, like, natural desires that are being suppressed by family or by, you know, church or government. I mean, I feel like that is such a Southern thing. And I know this because I used to DJ at a gay bar for, like a decade where you. You would, like. This is some. This is a thing. You know, I guess the south has a lot of traditions. There's a lot of religion here. Yeah, you can't deny that that is, you know, a part of the Southern Gothic literature tradition or, like, some of the influences that pop up with writers like Carson McCullers and Truman Capote and.

[Casey O'Brien]

Yeah, it seems like there's a very defined, correct way to be somebody. Like, be a person in the south or within these Southern Gothic movies and books and stuff. But. And. And if you kind of fall out of that very narrow pathway, you are an outsider. It's very easy to be an outsider.

[Millie de Chirico]

Almost a hundred percent. And I think. I mean, just not. Not to talk about myself personally too much, but I. I mean, I grew up in the South. I mean, I basically have lived in the south since I was five years old. I was obviously, like, a child of immigrants. So, like, two people that didn't. Aren't even from this country. And I grew up, you know, with, like, rural South Carolina and suburban Georgia, basically. And in a lot of ways, I think that's why I gravitate towards Southern Gothic literature and films and the kind of, again, the vibe of the. Of the Southern Gothic, because I feel like I was like my own little Southern Gothic character for much of my life living here and still do. I mean, you're right that it's easy to be an outsider here. I mean, I. When I was, like, in middle school and high school, I was. It was really hard to find even people who look like me and I'm half white. You know what I mean? Like, it was like, yeah, there was. My high school was extremely white, like, 90% white. And it was really like. I think it was hard for somebody like me to not feel like an outcast because I was just like, oh, I don't. My parents aren't Baptists. My. You know, they don't go to the same little things that all my, the neighbors of all the white kids go to. They don't have that, you know, that sort of like Southern tradition of like, you know, whatever it is, like making, you know, collard greens and cornbread and things like that. You know, I grew to love all that stuff because I just it's everywhere down here. But it's like, yeah, I so I still feel like a big weirdo because I do consider myself a Southern person. I do have a lot of Southern ism in me, even though, you know, my family moved here, you know, when I was a child. And I have all these other influences that are like, from other parts of the world. So it's interesting. I mean, and that's, I think, again, like to your I just really do feel like it is it is a tradition of outsiderness and otherness that is really interesting. And that's a good way to come into a film or a, you know, piece of literature. So.

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[Casey O'Brien]

Well, let me. Do you mind if I do the synopsis?

[Millie de Chirico]

Oh, yes, yes, please.

[Casey O'Brien]

For Cat on a Hot Tin Roof. So this is from 1958, Cat on a Hot Tin Roof. Former football star and current day drunk Brick Paulet, played by Paul Newman. He returns home to his somewhat estranged family's Mississippi plantation. He's there to celebrate his father's birthday and to hear news on his father, big daddy, played by Burl Ives. He's there to hear his cancer diagnosis. So news comes back. Big Daddy comes back with big mama and he's apparently healthy. So party's on. In the meantime, Brick must navigate his recently broken ankle. He broke it jumping hurdles at the local. His former high school while he was drunk. His unhappy wife Maggie, played by Elizabeth Taylor. The most annoying children on the planet. The no neck monsters, as we alluded to earlier. And his newly reinvigorated horny dad. That's all happening. It's all one kind of evening. So that's Cat on a Hot Tin Roof.

[Millie de Chirico]

Oh, boy. I gotta tell you, I. I know we have a lot to talk about with this.

[Casey O'Brien]

There's so much. This is a rich text.

[Millie de Chirico]

This is a rich text. So there was a moment where I thought maybe I should actually introduce you to another southern gothic tale from the late 50s is a movie called the long Hot Summer.

[Casey O'Brien]

Okay.

[Millie de Chirico]

Also from 1958, also starring Paul Newman. This is a William Faulkner tale because there is a character in that movie who is played by Orson Welles.

[Casey O'Brien]

Yes.

[Millie de Chirico]

Who is basically. It's almost like Orson Welles is doing a Burl Ives impression. Like, it's like the big puffy southern dad guy.

[Casey O'Brien]

Yeah.

[Millie de Chirico]

Who like runs the town and he's like meddling in all of his kids lives.

[Casey O'Brien]

Yeah.

[Millie de Chirico]

And he's like kind of, you know, basically like rude. Like, you know, he's like the guy that's like gonna shut down your small business if you. With him and his boys type of thing.

[Casey O'Brien]

Yes.

[Millie de Chirico]

Like, kind of like the. The sheriff, but not really. You know, he's like running everything. And so this is, I feel like a stock character in.

[Casey O'Brien]

Yeah, in.

[Millie de Chirico]

There's a lot of stock characters in southern gothic tradition. And one of them is the like really overblown southern dad guy. That's just like Mendoci. What she says often. The mendacity.

[Casey O'Brien]

Yes.

[Millie de Chirico]

Did you know what mendacity meant before you went? I did.

[Casey O'Brien]

Absolutely not.

[Millie de Chirico]

Me neither.

[Casey O'Brien]

I'd never heard that word before. But they do define it. They're like mendacity, pertaining to lies and liars. They, like, say the definition in the movie.

[Millie de Chirico]

Well, because essentially that's what the movie is about, is like secrets and lies, right? Yes, because, okay, you've got this structure where. And I will say, I think we should know by now that the Production Code is very well alive in this era. So there is a lot that is left out. I mean, obviously, the play is a lot different than the movie.

[Casey O'Brien]

Well, this is what I wanted to get into immediately with this, is that Tennessee Williams was apparently unhappy with things. They kind of cut out of the movie. Apparently, the play is much more overtly gay. Yeah, and I understand that, but I also. It. To me, it was fairly obvious early on that Paul Newman, AKA Brick, was in love with this guy Skipper, who had killed himself. He's not in the movie. It's in the past, but he obviously was in love with him.

[Millie de Chirico]

Yes.

[Casey O'Brien]

And I thought the movie did a pretty good job of making that fairly obvious while still, you know, obeying the rules of the time.

[Millie de Chirico]

Yeah, I mean, I think. Yeah, I think it's probably one of the better coded, if you will, situations, because I. I don't know if it's like you would look at. If you were of today's mind, you would look at this movie and be like, what the fuck are they talking about? But if you understand Production Code and you understand the ways in which Hollywood had to hide the fact that they were talking about risque stuff, then you'd be like, okay, it's doing a pretty good job of toeing that line. But most of the Tennessee Williams stuff was a lot. A lot nastier than what the movie was about. I mean, I think about, like, Sweet Bird of Youth and, you know, like, even Streetcar, there's just a lot of stuff that gets taken out of the play and is sort of cleaned up for the movie. But, yeah, I mean, the interesting thing about Paul Newman. Cause Paul Newman was not a Southerner, Right. Isn't he from, like, Massachusetts or something?

[Casey O'Brien]

He's from Ohio.

[Millie de Chirico]

Ohio. That.

[Casey O'Brien]

Shaker Heights, Ohio.

[Millie de Chirico]

Of course. What am I, an idiot? The only reason why I know Shaker Heights, sad to say, is because of Paul Newman. But Paul Newman, both in this film and in the long, hot summer. I feel like 1958 was his fucking year. Could have been hotter. Couldn't have been hotter.

[Casey O'Brien]

Peak, peak hotness. It's almost. It's. Again, we've talked about this before, where someone's so hot in a movie that's Inappropriate and should. It should be commented on by others like Alen Delon.

[Millie de Chirico]

Yeah, of course.

[Casey O'Brien]

Yes, yes. He is so unbelievably hot. So is Elizabeth Taylor. She looks in. They both. It's incredible.

[Millie de Chirico]

Yeah.

[Casey O'Brien]

Firing on all cylinders. Scorching.

[Millie de Chirico]

Scorching on all cylinders. Yet this was both their absolute. I mean, you know, many people be like, oh, actually, no, it's a place in the sun. No, no, no. Elizabeth Taylor as her, like, fully formed, hot, voluptuous mama self is perfect in this movie.

[Casey O'Brien]

I think Paul Newman invented abs in this movie.

[Millie de Chirico]

I think so.

[Casey O'Brien]

Like, we'd never seen them before.

[Millie de Chirico]

Abs as if we've never seen before. But I think that the central conflict is actually an interesting one, which is that Elizabeth Taylor, AKA Maggie the cat, she just wants to fuck her husband. She just is, like, horny for him. And it's like, what's the vibe, dude? Like, I love you. I worship you. I want to, like, touch those abs. And yet you're drinking yourself to death and I don't know what to do.

[Casey O'Brien]

I loved when she was like, usually when men drink, they get less attractive, but you've gotten hotter somehow.

[Millie de Chirico]

Yeah. That's just like Paul Newman. I mean, wouldn't he.

[Casey O'Brien]

He's just like him.

[Millie de Chirico]

He could. He's the only person alive at the time that could be hotter. Wasted and bloated. You know, I mean, it's just. It's insane. He's sort of like his character. Again, we're gonna talk more about Southern Gothic archetypes. He is what I call the bisexual drunk. Like a guy who is so kind of torn up about the fact that he might be attracted to more than one gender that he kind of drinks himself away when he can. Just, like, if it wasn't for his stupid ass Southern family putting pressure on him to, like, have kids.

[Casey O'Brien]

Yeah.

[Millie de Chirico]

Which is essentially what they're doing. Like, hit the.

[Casey O'Brien]

Like, yeah.

[Millie de Chirico]

Big Daddy. And is that Big Daddy Big. Big Papa Papa. Big Daddy, Big Mama, Big Mama, sister, mother, brother, Daddy. I don't know. All these little goober. Yeah. Gooper. They're all. They all want. Jack Carson plays Gooper. Right? Forgot about that. I love Jack Carson, but it's. They're all just, like, putting pressure on him and Maggie to be like, okay, what's the vibe? Y' all ain't fucking and having a bunch of kids. Then they're like, what's going on here? Why is he drinking himself to death? He must be gay. Like, why don't you just say it so we can ignore you and Shun you. I mean, it's kind of like there's a moment where you're just going, like, well, what are they supposed to do? Like, yeah, you know, obviously y' all are. Y' all ain't cool with this, so let's. Let's stop trying to pressure the truth to come out, because it feels like that's a whole other Southern gothic movie is what happens when you get shunned by your community and sent away to.

[Casey O'Brien]

Yeah.

[Millie de Chirico]

You know, but it's. You know, my. My thing about the Paul Newman character is that it feels like that character is a Southern Gothic stereotype that sort of, like, sexually confused. Using drugs and alcohol to, like, numb the pain kind of thing. It's people who are just like, so fraught with, you know, their own desires that they have to hide them, that it causes them to be addicts and drinkers. So this movie is really just a stage for these two extremely hot actors, Elizabeth Taylor, Paul Newman, to just stand in a doorway looking hot, wearing a bathrobe. Wearing a bathrobe with one crutch. One crutch standing. Like, is there anybody who's been hotter in a doorway then Elizabeth Taylor? You know, like. Yeah, it's obviously a play, so the space is contained in the film. It's really kind of just a house, right?

[Casey O'Brien]

Yeah.

[Millie de Chirico]

And there's just such a, like, very simple sexuality to it because it is like repression, right?

[Casey O'Brien]

Yeah.

[Millie de Chirico]

It's hot. People are sweating. We're in an old Southern house. There's probably no central ac, so they're opening all the windows. They're putting glasses of ice against their foreheads. You know, like, this is like, again, another part of. I think what Southern tradition, Southern Gothic tradition is, is that whole undercurrent of like a sweltering sensuality, heat induced sexuality. You know, there's a cat on a hot tin. Ruth can't put the paws down on the hot tin.

[Casey O'Brien]

Yeah. And it's raining. There's like a storm. So that it does feel very trapped. But I didn't feel like it. You know, sometimes when plays are adapted into movies, it's like, this feels like a play. But it didn't feel like that to me.

[Millie de Chirico]

Yeah, I don't think it does. There's some of his stuff that feels a lot more like a play. Like Suddenly last Summer, which I think was the movie she made at, like, it came out right after Kettle Hunting Roof. That's another Tennessee Williams story. It's kind of famous for. This was Montgomery Cliff's, like, when he kind of came back on the scene after his horrible accident.

[Casey O'Brien]

Yeah.

[Millie de Chirico]

And had the facial reconstruction surgery. But it's like another kind of Southern gothic tale. I mean, that one is wilder, actually, if you want to get down to brass tacks. That story is totally insane. And then got sort of cleaned up. Well, it did get cleaned up for. For the film adaptation, but if you read the actual play, you're like, oh, God damn. Like, this is. Cannibals are involved. What the hell?

[Casey O'Brien]

Oh, shit.

[Millie de Chirico]

But that, to me feels a lot more like a play. I think it's really. Yeah, I just think it's because it's in, like, one small room and the blocking is kind of strange, but yeah, Katano Hatsu roof, I think moves a little bit better, so.

[Casey O'Brien]

Well, Millie, something I wanted to ask you about the Southern nickname. Do you have anything to talk about with this history? Because there are some wonderful. Paul Newman's character's name is Brick. How would you like to be named Brick? What a name. And there's Big Daddy, there's Goober, Big Mama, Skipper Cat. I guess.

[Millie de Chirico]

Yeah.

[Casey O'Brien]

Is this a thing in the south that people are. Nick, is it a nickname place?

[Millie de Chirico]

It can be. I mean, I feel like it's kind of fallen out of fashion these days, but I think everybody who is born and raised in the south has like, a cousin or an uncle that's called, like, Dirt Leg or some shit. Like, you know, it's like dirt Leg. And. In fact, if you want to email [e-mail] if you got a real. If you can prove in some way that you've got, like, a relative that has, like a crazy Southern nickname, like a CB radio name type of thing, let us know.

[Casey O'Brien]

I was just so taken aback by Brick. I love the nickname Brick.

[Millie de Chirico]

Can you come up with one for yourself? I don't know.

[Casey O'Brien]

One for myself? Well, I'm not really supposed to give myself a nickname.

[Millie de Chirico]

Oh, okay. Yeah, you're right about that.

[Casey O'Brien]

Beef.

[Millie de Chirico]

Beef.

[Casey O'Brien]

Beef.

[Millie de Chirico]

Beefer.

[Casey O'Brien]

Beef o' Brien.

[Millie de Chirico]

Beefer.

[Casey O'Brien]

It'd be Beefer.

[Millie de Chirico]

Beefer o' Brien. Hey, go down to the volunteer fire department. Go get Beef. Or Brian, go tell him that his. His uncle has fallen down on the porch again and he probably needs to go get his fake leg this time because he's hopping around and not one leg. And you know he can't do that. Beefer, come get your uncle.

[Casey O'Brien]

What about you, Millie? What's yours? What's yours? Do you have one? I guess.

[Millie de Chirico]

Jesus Christ. No, I. At least I don't think so. Unless somebody's calling me something that I don't know about. I don't know y' all. I mean, I kind of want to be. I don't know. I think about, like, CB radio names. I'd be like a Dusty Beaver. Dusty Beaver.

[Casey O'Brien]

Dusty Beaver.

[Millie de Chirico]

Yeah. Dusty is great.

[Casey O'Brien]

Dusty. All right. Dusty.

[Millie de Chirico]

But I would. It would be Dusty. D U S T E E. Well.

[Casey O'Brien]

I think the funniest nickname in the movie is Gooper, because his real name in the movie is Cooper with a C. Yeah. But everyone calls him Gooper, which is very, like, appropriate for that character. He is kind of a Goop Gooper.

[Millie de Chirico]

The sister woman thing is insane.

[Casey O'Brien]

Sister woman. That's what the men. That's what they, like, call women that are. It's like someone that you're, like, related to. Basically, it's just a woman.

[Millie de Chirico]

Like an auntie.

[Casey O'Brien]

Yeah, kind of. Yeah.

[Millie de Chirico]

Anti.

[Casey O'Brien]

Like, Paul Newman calls his sister in law sister woman, but it's sort of like, insulting a little bit, calling somebody.

[Millie de Chirico]

A woman like that.

[Casey O'Brien]

Sister woman.

[Millie de Chirico]

The phrase sister woman can also be used in a more general sense to refer to a woman who's considered a friend or sisterly figure.

[Casey O'Brien]

I see.

[Millie de Chirico]

Yeah. I am sure it probably goes back a long, long, long time. You could be called sister Woman. Do I want Burl Ives to be screaming it at me in reference to me? No. I think it's all fine and well to be a sister woman until an old scary Southern white demon guy is screaming it at you.

[Casey O'Brien]

Millie, was there anything else you wanted to touch upon with Cat on a Hot Tin Roof? Rough.

[Millie de Chirico]

No. I will say that this was my early entry point into my love for Southern Gothicness. I can't tell you how personally attached I feel to this genre. This. This essence, this vibe. It's my favorite of all time. Like, in terms of. If you want to come up with like a. A genre or micro genre that I personally love, it's this. I mean, I think we still see the Southern Gothic tradition, like, alive and well in movies. Like Sinners, for example. I mean, I would say Sinners is a Southern Gothic tale. I mean, I mentioned Eve's Bayou, but then there's stuff like. I mean, the Prince of Tides. Don't even get me started. I went. I did an entire bonus episode of I saw what you did on the Prince of Tides and my love for that. But you've got stuff like, yeah, Angel Heart and, you know, Deliverance Interview with the Vampire, which I actually mentioned earlier. But so it's like there are Moments of Southern gothicness still happening in films. And I love it. And it's like the moment it like it connects and clicks with me. I'm like, oh yeah, I love this, I love this vibe. I love this tradition. I love the storytelling.

[Casey O'Brien]

So amazing.

[Millie de Chirico]

I'm glad we got to, you know, pick this, pick this movie and chew on this bone for a while.

[Casey O'Brien]

Me too. It was like such a delight to watch this and like Paul Newman and Elizabeth Taylor, they're so beautiful. They don't make movie stars like that anymore. They just like they're cut from marble. I mean they just, they. Visually, I was absolutely hypnotized by their presence on screen. One thing I will say, I was so disgusted by those no neck children, particularly when the girl put both her hands in the ice cream and Gooper was like, why don't you wash your hands first before you do that? And I was like, these are. It was a great way of setting those characters up because I was like, I hate these people. These are the enemy.

[Millie de Chirico]

Yeah, that's. I mean, I think this movie, I mean. Spoiler alert. I suppose this movie is over 50 years old or is about to be 50 years old. Spoiler alert. Maggie does have a life in her, okay? Meaning she porked her husband at some point. Maybe he didn't realize it, but now she got a baby in that belly. However, this entire movie is about how you should not have children and how annoying they are and how you should never, you know, become the sister in law and brother in law family that runs around unless their kids do disgusting things and they're just like doting on the parents in a very fake way in order to get into people's wills and things.

[Casey O'Brien]

Wait, I thought that Maggie wasn't actually pregnant, that she was lying.

[Millie de Chirico]

I thought she was pregnant. Am I wrong about.

[Casey O'Brien]

No, I thought she said she was pregnant. And so that's why Paul Newman at the end is like, let's to put the baby.

[Millie de Chirico]

Ah, you're right about that. You're right about that.

[Casey O'Brien]

Which I, in my notes I did say this is the same ending as Eyes Wide Shut when Nicole Kidman says let's. Paul Newman basically says that to Elizabeth Taylor and it's great.

[Millie de Chirico]

Oh, right. Because then Burl Ives is like, yeah, Maggie's got a life in her.

[Casey O'Brien]

And she's like, hehe, not yet, not yet.

[Millie de Chirico]

But.

[Casey O'Brien]

But that was a good, that was a good way of getting Paul Newman to pork her.

[Millie de Chirico]

I should try it sometime. Be like, I'm pregnant. And they're like, are you really? I'm like, no, but I'm about to be.

[Casey O'Brien]

Well, fabulous. I loved it. And thank you, Millie, for bringing this movie to our show and to me personally.

[Millie de Chirico]

Oh, you're so welcome. Moving on.

[Casey O'Brien]

We've got film advice. We're your film advisors, and we're here to advise you. Millie, I'm gonna play a voicemail for you.

[Millie de Chirico]

Okay.

[Jackie]

Hi, Millie and Casey. This is Jackie from New York. I just listened to your episode about the Coppola kids, and Sofia Coppola was referred to as the ultimate Nepo bd. But it just got me thinking about how in recent years, Nepo babies have gotten such a bad name, and it's, like, become a thing where people are less likely to have respect for actors or filmmakers who are Nepo babies. And obviously, there are so many that are mainstream these days, but it almost feels like they try to hide their Nepo baby origins since we've all, as a society, kind of turned on them. Whereas in the past, it kind of felt like it was more interesting or respected if a Nepo baby was in a film or made a film. It kind of gave it more street cred. So just want to get your take on the Nepo babies in film conversation. And do you have a favorite film involving a Nepo baby?

[Casey O'Brien]

Thank you for this wonderful topic. Jackie. Millie, did anything come to mind for you?

[Millie de Chirico]

Yeah, you know what's so funny? First of all, I'm convinced that Jackie is a Nepo baby, and now I'm trying to figure out whose Nepo baby she is.

[Casey O'Brien]

You think she's calling in because she wants some Nepo baby validation?

[Millie de Chirico]

Yes. I think she's like, I'm a Nepo baby, and I feel like we're getting a bad rap. And so I'm gonna couch that conversation in a question to a podcast. Listen, I'm. Here's the thing. I think you're absolutely right. I do think that Nepa babies were celebrated at one point at least. It felt like there was a good, good feelings towards them. And I feel like it still continues. I mean, there are certain Nepa babies. So I feel like if you wanted to do the, like, Venn diagram thing, I think it's like the hatred for Nepa babies is in direct proportion to, like, how annoying they are. So, like, everybody. I mean, I actually know people that love Chet Hanks, but most everybody hate Chet Hanks. Chet Hanks for being an idiot or whatever. Then there's people like Wyatt Russell, who is Kurt Russell, and Goldie Hans, child who thrives. I feel like Without. With pretty much no. No smoke.

[Casey O'Brien]

I think. I think the thing is, it's like. I think Nepo babies are being too sensitive and they're calling too much attention to it. Because whenever somebody asks a Nepo baby, like, oh, do you think it was easier to make it because you're a Nepo baby? They freak out.

[Millie de Chirico]

Yeah.

[Casey O'Brien]

They should just be like, yeah, it was.

[Millie de Chirico]

Well. But here's the thing. I feel like if you ask the Nepo baby, you are in an unfortunate position. You can't be, like, too good. I feel like if you can come across as total normal person, we love you. If you seem special or protected or extra rich and extra fancy in any way, you're getting that hate. That's just the way it is, I think so. One of my favorite modern Nepo babies. I don't know if you follow his TikTok, but Jason Ritter. Do you know Jason Ritter? Yes, I like Jason Ritter, John Ritter's son.

[Casey O'Brien]

I find him very charming.

[Millie de Chirico]

He's extremely funny. Have you seen him, like, doing the fan dancing? Like, he.

[Casey O'Brien]

No, I haven't.

[Millie de Chirico]

Oh, my God, dude. I send it to, like, every person I know. He does these, like, dances. I guess it's in his living room. Then he decided that he wanted to learn how to. To, like, use a fan in a dance and.

[Casey O'Brien]

Interesting.

[Millie de Chirico]

I was laughing my fucking ass off. I thought he was so funny. And he's married to Melanie Lynskey, who is beautiful. So.

[Casey O'Brien]

Yeah. And she seems awesome, too. They seem like an amazing couple.

[Millie de Chirico]

Yeah.

[Casey O'Brien]

Yeah. I think you just have to own it. I think Nepo babies there ain't going away, you know? And I think once they own it is the thing if they're like, yeah, it was easier for me. And then it go. I feel like the topic goes away and people don't care. But who is a favorite Nepo baby of mine? You know, she's like the ultimate Nepo baby, but I. I just enjoy her. Maya Hawk. I find her kind of charming.

[Millie de Chirico]

Yeah, she's cute.

[Casey O'Brien]

I always like when she's in stuff, and I think she's cute.

[Millie de Chirico]

Hey. She's going back to our earlier conversation. She played Flannery o' Connor.

[Casey O'Brien]

Oh, she did?

[Millie de Chirico]

Yeah. She was in a movie. I didn't know that with her dad. It was about Flannery o' Connor. So there we go.

[Casey O'Brien]

I don't know. But, yeah, I don't really have anything else. My dad is. Hates Nepo babies and has been on this beat much longer than the recent outrage that has come. My dad has always, whenever an actor was in something, he's like, you know, their dad was like the head of the studio. Did you know their. Their mom is so and so. He, he would. He was really outraged by nipple babies.

[Millie de Chirico]

Yeah. Like I said, I think it depends on. On the obnoxiousness of the person.

[Casey O'Brien]

Yes.

[Millie de Chirico]

You know, and also, I gotta admit, I think it also is the obnoxiousness of the parent. Like if the parent.

[Casey O'Brien]

100%.

[Millie de Chirico]

I mean, I will just say the. I'm gonna say a family, the Landis family. That's all I'll say. But. But then there's Nepa babies that you forget are actual Nepa babies. Like the. Besides Jason Ritter, I feel like one of my other favorite Nepa babies is Amanda Plummer. Did you realize that her dad was Christopher Plummer?

[Casey O'Brien]

I know, I did not even know that. And she did not even.

[Millie de Chirico]

Yeah, who would have thought? I was like, oh, yeah, she's like one of the most interesting, weirdest actresses ever. Makes the weirdest, most amazing. And her dad also did cool and was an actor. So, I mean, you know, like the.

[Casey O'Brien]

Internet has really made it more difficult for these nipple babies to kind of hide. Yeah. All right, well, thank you, Jackie. Great question. Really appreciate that. Okay, here's the next one. I'm going to read this to you, Millie Short films. Hi, Millie and Casey. Lately I've been enjoying the lower commitment of watching a 15 to 30 minute short film on Canopy. Do you have any recommendations of short films or places to see more of them outside of film festivals? Thanks, Ryan. The short film is great. It is a great and underappreciated genre of film medium and it is unique to itself. It is different from a feature film. It's not just, you know, so I love short films.

[Millie de Chirico]

Yeah, I mean, I like them too. Most film festivals have a shorts session. So that's. To me, one of the best places to see shorts is that film festivals. I also think YouTube and Vimeo. Vimeo is another good place to see shorts. Even though Vimeo is kind of strange. It's like, I don't know what happened with that app. I feel like they're. They're soft quitting or something.

[Casey O'Brien]

I don't know what it does feel like that. It feels like they're going away.

[Millie de Chirico]

Yeah.

[Casey O'Brien]

But I wanted to say there's a bunch of great short films. Speaking of the movie Friendship, directed by that director, Andrew DeYoung, that he made with Kate Berlant and John early in particular, they made a movie in 2019 short film called Rachel, which is based on a true story that happened to John early in Cape Berlant, where there is a party and a woman shows up who everyone assumes was invited or is friends with somebody. And slowly they realize no one knows this woman.

[Millie de Chirico]

Oh, my goodness.

[Casey O'Brien]

It's really great. And it's kind of tense and kind of scary and weird and very relatable. And so you can just Google that. Rachel is the name of it. That's one of my faves.

[Millie de Chirico]

There's actually a short film festival here in Atlanta. Oh, yeah. And it. I think it's happening in the summer. I think it's in June, but it's basically like. Yeah, an entire film festival. It's called Atlanta Shorts Fest. So I mean there. But I will say, literally every time I've ever seen great shorts, it's been at a film festival. So, you know, and a lot of times they'll be online. So, like, you can, you know, either buy a ticket for an entire shorts festival run or whatever. But it's cool. It's a great place to see stuff. And like I said, oh, a lot of stuff is on Criterion Channel. I mean, you know, I would say that's probably the best place to stream shorts beyond, like I said, YouTube and Vimeo and that kind of stuff.

[Casey O'Brien]

So absolutely, lots of great stuff on there.

[Millie de Chirico]

Yeah.

[Casey O'Brien]

Short films. I just watched Asparagus, the short animated film by Susan Pitt. I believe that's still on the Criterion channel. But that's another really good short film.

[Millie de Chirico]

Yeah.

[Casey O'Brien]

Okay, next question. Last one.

[Millie de Chirico]

Thanks, Brian.

[Casey O'Brien]

Thanks, Brian. Hi, Millie and Casey. I've been loving the podcast. I had a quick question about letterboxd tracking. Do you only log movies as you watch them, or have you gone back and list movies that, you know, you've seen in the past as, quote, unquote, watched? I know this is a bit of a silly question, but I was just curious as to what your letterboxd methods are. Thanks, Kara. I love this type of question.

[Millie de Chirico]

I did, too. It's like the rules of letterboxd for people are fascinating.

[Casey O'Brien]

Do you have a rule or way you do things?

[Millie de Chirico]

Yeah. So I log them as I watch them. And I think it's because, quite frankly, I've seen a lot of movies and there's no fudgeing way in hell I'm going to go back and like, log them all.

[Casey O'Brien]

Like, I'm just like, nearly seen a movie or two people.

[Millie de Chirico]

Yeah, I think I've seen a lot. I will do the thing, though. If I have watched a movie again and I did not log it, obviously. Then I'll say that I've watched it already.

[Casey O'Brien]

Yeah, you'll smash that. I've watched, repeat watch.

[Millie de Chirico]

Yes. But I don't like go back into my film diaries from, you know, middle school and ad movies. I just feel like I've played that game before where I've used a website to be very meticulous about cataloging things and then that website goes away in like a couple years. Right. Like, I used to get really obsessive at OCD about Flickr. Do you remember Flickr?

[Casey O'Brien]

Uh huh.

[Millie de Chirico]

So I used to put all my photos on Flickr. I used to tag everything, put all the metadata properly, make sure everything is labeled in the way that shit was gone. I mean, it's like I haven't. Flickr is probably no longer a company, period. But it's so I was like, you know what? None of this stuff lasts. So I'm not gonna like get too crazy about it. But if I'm thinking about it, I'll do it. What about you?

[Casey O'Brien]

I. Yeah, I would never. Like you said, there's too much of life where I've seen the movies and it's like, what am I supposed to do? Spend a half an hour every day sitting in silence, trying to think of all the movies I've seen in my life and, you know, log them? That seems unpleasant to me. So I just log the movie when I watch the movie also, I always do a little review. I always do a little. I always. I use usually just one sentence because it helps me remember the movie. And I feel like I'm participating in the app as it's properly created that way.

[Millie de Chirico]

I love super inconsistent about that. I think the only time I review something is what? I'm absolutely stirred.

[Casey O'Brien]

Stirred.

[Millie de Chirico]

Yeah. But I can't do it for everything. I don't even rate everything. Like sometimes I'm like, yeah, I don't want to write that. Because a lot of times it's like, I don't even want to get into it, guys. I don't even want to get into it. I was like, oh, I saw fucking whatever. Like Salo, what do we want me to do? Log it? Review it? Come on.

[Casey O'Brien]

Like, I saw Barbie and I have opinions about it.

[Millie de Chirico]

You just know that people are going to comment. That's the problem. Yeah, I didn't rate or review Sinners. I did not rate or review under the Cherry Moon, but I did review Friendship and I rated Heat. So I don't know.

[Casey O'Brien]

Oh, I forgot to put Heat. I forgot to put that. I Watched Heat again.

[Millie de Chirico]

Come on.

[Casey O'Brien]

Well, we gotta get back on there. Well, thank you to everybody who has written in for film advice. I hope your lives are better because of the advice we've given you, and I hope you're leading healthier, more positive existences because of the gifts we've given you. If you want us to answer your questions in the future, please write in at Dear Movies @exactly right, media.com. we love it. Well, Millie, we're at the end of our show.

[Millie de Chirico]

Okay?

[Casey O'Brien]

The name of our show is Dear Movies. I love you. And we're at the end of it, and we need employees picks for people.

[Millie de Chirico]

Oh, Jesus Christ.

[Casey O'Brien]

Do you have a employees pick for the people?

[Millie de Chirico]

Oh, my God. I named so many that I love.

[Casey O'Brien]

I know.

[Millie de Chirico]

Oh, Jesus Christ. Okay, so, I mean, I. I pretty much laid out my absolute faves. I laid out Cat on Hot Tin Roof, Suddenly Less Summer Long Hot Summer. Prince of Tides. I'm gonna say this is a Southern Gothic tale, and it's a movie from 1955, and it's called the Night of the Hunter.

[Casey O'Brien]

Fabulous. I would consider that feels like a Southern Gothic movie.

[Millie de Chirico]

I feel like, simply from the inclusion of a Southern preacher type and Children in Peril, I feel like. And just the horror elements and the fantastical, you know, like the sort of scenes of the underwater scenes and stuff. And it's in black and white. And again, it's, like, about religion and.

[Casey O'Brien]

Yeah.

[Millie de Chirico]

And thievery and crimes. If you haven't seen it, you absolutely must see it. It's, like, not an option.

[Casey O'Brien]

It's such an interesting movie. It feels so expertly crafted. But that is the director Charles Laughton's only movie.

[Millie de Chirico]

Charles Lawton was the Hunchback, among other things. He played Dr. Moreau, I feel like at some point. Or a Dr. Moreau type of character. He's wonderful. And was married to. Had a relationship with Elsa Lancaster, who was the bride of Frankenstein. And maybe they were like. Maybe had a little bisexuality in them, too. Like there was.

[Casey O'Brien]

Feels like it.

[Millie de Chirico]

Yeah. They're kind of like a real modern couple for the time.

[Casey O'Brien]

Very cool. My recommendation, my employees picks is a 1979 film called Wise Blood, directed by John Huston, based on the Flannery o' Connor book Wiseblood. This is a strange movie and book, but it's a Southern Gothic tale. You know, it deals with kind of corrupt preachers, and there's. That feels like there's sort of a fantastical element to it.

[Millie de Chirico]

Yeah. I feel like the Brad Dorit character feels a little like Mitchum in Night of the Hunter. There's like that weird overblown Southern preacher guy vibe.

[Casey O'Brien]

Yeah. Yeah. But I don't know if this movie feels like no other movie I've ever seen. And Wise Blood, I don't really want to just go see it. It's really good.

[Millie de Chirico]

I have to say the name Asa, which is the name of Harry Dean. Stan's character in Wise Blood, is a very southern name to me.

[Casey O'Brien]

Asa. Interesting.

[Millie de Chirico]

I'm thinking of Asa Candler, who was basically like the businessman that created Coke. Oh, the Candler family.

[Casey O'Brien]

Asa's Bagels is our local bagel shop.

[Millie de Chirico]

Yeah.

[Casey O'Brien]

And it's my favorite.

[Millie de Chirico]

But, yeah, Asa is. To me, it feels like a very southern name.

[Casey O'Brien]

Very good. All right, Millie, that's the end of our show. Can you believe it? Wow.

[Millie de Chirico]

I cannot, actually. And here's the thing. If you want to email us if you are in need of film advice, like a recommendation or you just want to, you know, know a little bit more about a director's tomography or you want to. You got a film gripe. We haven't had a film gripe in a while.

[Casey O'Brien]

I know.

[Millie de Chirico]

You can email us@Dear MoviesExactlyRightMedia.com the other thing you can do is leave a voicemail like Jackie the Nepo baby left. You can record it on your phone, make it under a minute, like, do it in the, you know, voice notes app or whatever it is you have and email it to DearMobiesactlyRightMedia.com.

[Casey O'Brien]

That'S right. And please follow us on our socials at dearmovies. I love you on Instagram and Facebook. And you can follow us. We were just talking about letterboxd. Follow us at our handles at Casey Lee o' Brien at and at M. De Chericho.

[Millie de Chirico]

Yeah. And you can listen to us. Dear movies, I love you on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts. Wherever you get podcasts, please rate and review the show. Be nice, be helpful, keep us on the air. We would love that.

[Casey O'Brien]

That's right.

[Millie de Chirico]

Yeah.

[Casey O'Brien]

Please.

[Millie de Chirico]

You want to talk about next week?

[Casey O'Brien]

Yeah, I do. I feel like this is a topic in a movie that you hate and are not excited about.

[Millie de Chirico]

But I've never even seen it. I don't haven't seen your movie. What the fuck?

[Casey O'Brien]

We're talking about 90s camp movies and the movie heavyweights from 1995. And I'm really excited. I think 90s camp movies is like a specific genre and kind of a feel, and maybe we'll get even and get into salute your shorts and, you know, camp culture bug juice. You know, there's just a lot. I feel like camp was really in. In the 90s, and heavyweights is one of my faves from that time, so I can't wait to. Well, I can't wait for you to watch it.

[Millie de Chirico]

Yeah. I mean, I feel like this is obviously like a peek into your brain once again, which I'm excited to do. I've never seen Heavyweights. What? By the time Heavyweights came out, I was fully smoking cigarettes and doing acid. So I was like, of course, kind of past the camp era. But I can't wait to go back. I can't wait to see this. I mean, Ben Stiller looks insane.

[Casey O'Brien]

It was written by Judd Apatow, and it is a movie that there's no way in hell they would. I hate when people say this, but there is no way they would make this today for children. It's a Disney movie. Wow. And, yeah, I'm curious to. It's this. This is kind of a nostalgia bomb, if I'm being honest.

[Millie de Chirico]

Okay.

[Casey O'Brien]

But I'm excited to talk about it, to get into it. That's it.

[Millie de Chirico]

That's it. Thanks again. I'm glad we got to do this southern episode.

[Casey O'Brien]

Me, too. It was invigorating for me.

[Millie de Chirico]

Thanks, everybody for listening, and we'll see y' all later.

[Casey O'Brien]

Bye, sister woman.

[Millie de Chirico]

Bye, Beefer o' Brien. This has been an exactly right production. Hosted by me, Millie de Chirico, and produced by my co host, Casey o' Brien.

[Casey O'Brien]

This episode was mixed by Tom Breifogel. Our associate producer is Christina Chamberlain. Our guest booker is Patrick Cotner, and our artwork is by Vanessa Lilac.

[Millie de Chirico]

Our incredible theme music is by the best band in the entire world, the Softies.

[Casey O'Brien]

Thank you to our executive producers, Karen Kilgariff, Georgia Hardstark, Daniel Kramer, and Millie Dicer.

[Millie de Chirico]

Marco, we love you.

[Casey O'Brien]

Goodbye.

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