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Millie de Chericho
This is exactly right.
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Casey O'Brien
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Millie de Chericho
Thanks for making all my favorite recipes.
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Kara Klenk
Hi, Ma.
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Casey O'Brien
Thanks for your unfiltered advice.
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Millie de Chericho
Hi, Mom.
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Kara Klenk
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Millie de Chericho
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Casey O'Brien
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Millie de Chericho
It's the book club for your ears.
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Casey O'Brien
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Millie de Chericho
Yo, Casey. What's going on?
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Casey O'Brien
Millie? Not a whole lot. How are you?
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Millie de Chericho
I'm just. I'm just fine. Good weather has been unbelievable. I think I said that in the last episode, but then I also heard we're in a drought, so maybe that's why it's been great. I don't know. We'll see. Yeah, but I've been out there. I've been running around, hanging out, going to movies.
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Casey O'Brien
Love that.
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Millie de Chericho
Oh, speaking of movies, we gotta talk.
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Casey O'Brien
Speaking of movies, this podcast is about movies. Speaking of movies, speaking of this thing
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Millie de Chericho
that we talk about literally every week. Have you. This is a little gossipy. I don't know. I feel like this is like we're talking about, like, a gossip item or something.
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Casey O'Brien
Yeah.
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Kara Klenk
Yeah.
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Millie de Chericho
So have you read the Indiewire article that was written by Dave Erlich? Maybe it was, like, a couple weeks ago that was called the Absolute Hell of Watching a Movie at the Alamo Drafthouse in 2026.
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Casey O'Brien
Millie, I have read this article and I'm very aware of the issues going on at Alamo Drafthouse because I used to be a. I don't remember what they're called, but I like had their pass. I had the Alamo pass for a long time. Very obsessed with the Alamo Drafthouse. Very important place to me in terms of being a film fan. And the changes are just heartbreaking. And I feel like this article did a really good job of summing up the insanity of it all.
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Millie de Chericho
Yeah.
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Casey O'Brien
So yes, I have read it.
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Millie de Chericho
Okay, well, let's. First of all, because I don't have an Alamo Drafthouse in my town. There's no Alamo Drafthouse in Atlanta. So maybe describe what's going on generally with the Alamo Drafthouse and why everyone's shook by the changes.
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Casey O'Brien
Shook. Very shook. Well, just, you know, you know, just for those who don't know exactly what Alamo Drafthouse is, because not every city has them. Yeah, it started in Austin, Texas and it was this place that was like four film fans. And particularly it seemed like it catered towards like genre film fans. So it was like people who love horror and outrageous sci fi movies and stuff like that. And they serve beer and food and it's like a really well run machine. And it was just a place. It felt like a countercultural movie fan place. And going to the ones in Austin, we used to be so fun. And their whole thing was no phones. If you use your phone will kick you out of the movie theater. And they actually have like a process for kicking people out of the theater. You write it on a little piece of paper, someone comes by and that's how you put in your orders too. But that's how you can kick like offenders out of the theater. Like you can notify the staff. And they opened one up in la and I used to love going to the one in downtown la. They had events there, there was like karaoke there. It was just such a magical. Really just felt like such a magical place.
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Millie de Chericho
Yeah.
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Casey O'Brien
And because of COVID it went through some hardship and they sold to Sony Studios and they laid a bunch of people off. They've had a bunch of union issues, treating their workers badly. And now the final straw, you have to order food with your fucking phone. You use like a QR code, which I hate. Not in the movie theater, but in a movie theater. It's particularly egregious. And the irony is their whole thing was that you get kicked out for using your phone. Now they're asking you to use your phone. I mean, it's outrageous. It's ridiculous. It seems like hell on earth and. Yeah, it's just really disappointing.
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Millie de Chericho
Well, and like, just to kind of drill down a little bit. I mean, the way that it worked at the theater was that it was run like a restaurant, basically. You know, they had servers who would come to your seat and you would write everything down on paper. They had paper menus. You, you know, would get to the movie theater maybe a little bit beforehand, look at the menu, write it down on the paper. They would come and bring you things, like, during the movie. And it was all, like, inconspicuous. It was very much like it didn't feel at all disruptive to the movie.
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Casey O'Brien
Yes.
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Millie de Chericho
You know, their servers were really good and they knew how to, like, be like ninja, like, when they would come and bring you things.
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Casey O'Brien
And it seems like they took the movie theater experience very seriously down to the staff. Like, the way they moved in the theater, they were like, very gentle and quick.
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Millie de Chericho
Right. And like, these are like, like, servers are professionals and they have skills and it's a trade and they hired good people. And, you know, that's the thing is that it felt like this was sort of a cost cutting measure to not have them and to just have this QR code thing. But then the other component to this, which I feel like is really important, which is that I live in a town where, I mean, this is. I'm sorry, this is going to be a film gripe. And maybe I've expressed this before in other episodes, but, like, there is, like, essentially no respect for films here in the ways that other towns like New York, L.A. austin operate. Right. So there is very rarely people who will come and kick people out of a movie theater for using a phone. In fact, people take photos during movies all the time. I've been in movies at multiplexes where people are talking on the phone or like they've brought their child and the child is on the phone with. While they are watching the movie. And this is all like, this would be unheard of in places, you know, like Austin. And I feel like the Alamo Drafthouse was part of this, you know, very big, I don't know, program to sort of bring movie watching back to this very strict, like, no phones policy. You couldn't pull the phone out even during the previews. Like, it's like the. Once the movie theater screen was lit up and was showing moving things, you basically had to turn your phone off and not pull it out at all. Like, they would if you pulled it out. It was a problem. And I've been in movies in la, actually, where somebody attempted to pull out a phone, and a guy, like, caught them immediately and was like, hey, put your phone away. So, having said all this, because, again, I think this concept would be very foreign to somebody who comes from, like, you know, like, the Atlanta Experience, which is, like, literally anything goes. Shoot a firecracker off in the movie if you want to, because you're probably like, why is this a big deal? Like, who gives a. Like, you know. But I think to people who have loved the Drafthouse, who know the vibe and how they have had these rules, and it was kind of like a part of their branding. Yeah, it's. It feels like a betrayal. I mean, it feels like it's 100%, you know.
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Casey O'Brien
Well, like a big thing, too. It's like they would. They would have these, like, funny promos that was, like, a big part of the movie theater experience, where they'd have promos before the movie that were like. You know, it'd be like a kung fu movie. It's like, take out your phone and this kung fu ninja will chop your head off. Like, it was like a part of the fun of it were the rules. Yeah.
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Millie de Chericho
I mean, as much as it's kind of like, okay, I get it. I appreciate that shit so much more now than now that I don't live in a drafthouse town. I'm like, oh. I mean, it was heaven. It was heaven to not have to worry about other people being disruptive.
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Casey O'Brien
And it was. It's frankly hard to go to. It was hard to go to another movie theater afterwards. Cause you just. You felt like the safety net was gone. Yeah.
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Millie de Chericho
It was scary, you know, and it was. It was a lot of fun to have. I thought it was great to have service, like, people who are just kind of, like, coming to your table and bringing you, like, the. Dave talks about this in his article, but the giant metal bowl of popcorn was so good.
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Casey O'Brien
Oh, so good.
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Millie de Chericho
And I don't know. I just. I. You know, I. At first I started reading the article, and I'm like, oh, I wonder if anybody outside of the Drafthouse experience will think this is, like, super fussy. But the more that I started reading it, I was like, yeah, this would annoy the fuck out of me. Oh, my God, that's terrible.
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Casey O'Brien
So, yeah. Yeah. And I just like. Like, they had so many, like, special. At the height of its powers, they had, like, specialty cocktails for new movies that were coming out specialty food preparations that were like riffs of the movies. And it was, like, fun and silly, and it's just like. It just feels like all that stuff has just been totally watered down. It's like nothing's good anymore. The world is just falling apart. And this is an example. It's just sad.
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Millie de Chericho
Well, and like, you know, Dave says corporate and shittification. That's the term he uses, which, you know, it has to be said that, you know, the original owners of the Drafthouse, the leagues, Tim and Carrie League, they don't. They have nothing to do with the. The company anymore.
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Casey O'Brien
Yeah.
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Millie de Chericho
They were bought out by Sony at some point.
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Casey O'Brien
Yeah.
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Millie de Chericho
So this is corporate shit. This is like corporate takeover changes. Like the optimization quote unquote of, like, this, you know, restaurant experience. And it's just like. Yeah, but now we're in the thing that you didn't want, which is you want people looking at a screen, trying to, you know, do a QR code. I mean, it's fucked up. And I feel bad because I have. I have a lot of great. I, you know, I used. I had a programming stint at the Drafthouse at one point. I have so many good friends that work there and still work there. And I was on the board of agfa, which is Tim League's nonprofit for many years. So it's like, I feel like very, you know, I don't know, sort of close to the Drafthouse in a lot of ways, but not in the. Not in the current iteration. I don't know anything about them anymore, so. Yeah.
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Casey O'Brien
And I believe our past guest, Brett Berg, used to work for. Am I wrong about that? Yeah, he worked for. He was like the creative director for the Los Angeles Alamo Drafthouse. It's just a bummer. It's one of those things. I mean, we're. This movie, this podcast is all about being a film fan. And that was a place that really was about being a film fan in the purest sense, you know, and not a hoity toity, like, you know, annoying art house way. It was about, like, just having a good time at the movies. Yeah. And, well, sad.
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Millie de Chericho
Well, maybe they'll reconsider. I mean, but then again, it also. They need to reconsider their whole labor policy.
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Casey O'Brien
It's like this is just the last straw. I mean, it was. They've had problems. I mean, I talked about the Alamo Drafthouse in Woodbury, Minnesota. It's just a mall movie theater. It doesn't have the. It feels totally corporate. It feels totally suburban and, like, far Away from any sort of kind of countercultural movie experience, you know, which it used to feel that way, so.
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Millie de Chericho
Well, here's what I say to all of this. I think you and I should start a movie theater chain. I think we should go back real old school and it's going to be like the Calle do cinema where we're going to let people smoke cigarettes in the movie theater.
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Casey O'Brien
Yes.
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Millie de Chericho
And it's basically going to be filled with French movie critics who are whistling displeasure at films. What do you think? Is that a good. Do you think that has legs?
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Casey O'Brien
I think this is a fantastic idea. You know, micro cinemas are really on the rise. We could start this as a micro cinema. I don't know what the legal like red tape will have to kind of cut through to get people smoking inside. You know, that might be a difficult thing to get past, but you know, we'll work on that. But I think this is a great idea. We should definitely open a movie theater.
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Millie de Chericho
Yeah. Well, come on up with our Nathan for you esque plan, our loophole plan and we'll, and we'll announce the opening very soon, I'm sure.
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Casey O'Brien
So I know that@tiki Ts in Silver Lake you were allowed to smoke in there for a really long time because there was some loophole that if you owned the bar and the only employees at the bar were related to you, you could smoke indoors. So that maybe there's something there where I just like get only family members or I inst some chain smoking family to work there and do some sort of ownership thing. You know, like there's a way to work around this.
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Millie de Chericho
Holy shit. That's incredible. I had no idea that that was a law. That is really good. But yeah. All right, well, what do you think? Should we get started on our episode? What are we doing this week?
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Casey O'Brien
We have a huge episode. I mean this is all about film fandom. This is a great episode for film fans out there. We're talking about tink girl from 1995. You'd never seen this, is that correct?
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Millie de Chericho
That's absolutely correct. Yeah.
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Casey O'Brien
That's thrilling. And then for my area of expertise, we have a good friend of ours, Kara Klank of the that's Messed up podcast. She's coming on to talk about her area of expertise, which is, we're calling it later in Life Romances. But it's like those, those like Diane Keaton, Jane Fonda, Gal Pal movies that have come out recently. Yes, she's an expert in that field.
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Millie de Chericho
Yeah, we totally love Kara. She's super funny and smart and interesting. And I think it's great that she's gonna be on the Tank Girl episode because there's kind of a similar energy to Cara.
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Casey O'Brien
Absolutely.
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Millie de Chericho
So this is. This is good.
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Casey O'Brien
Yes, very good. Thrilling stuff.
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Millie de Chericho
Yeah. All right, well, listen. Stay tuned, everybody. You're listening to Dear Movies, I love you.
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Kara Klenk
Dear movies, I love you. And I got to know if you love me, too.
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Casey O'Brien
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Millie de Chericho
All right. Hello, everybody. You are listening to Dear Movies, I love you. This is a podcast for those who are in a relationship with movies. My name is Millie de Chericho.
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Casey O'Brien
My name is Casey O'. Brien.
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Millie de Chericho
And yes, we are going back to the 90s this week. I'm very excited because I was a teenager in the 90s, and I love talking about it. And we are watching a movie that I never saw in the 90s, which is 1995's Tank Girl starring Lori Petty.
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Casey O'Brien
It's pretty incredible that. I mean, this is such a relic of the 90s. I mean, it is such a 90s movie. So it must have been fun to just really get that, you know, that exciting pull from watching this movie and just being taken back to the 90s.
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Millie de Chericho
Well. And, like, I'll get into this a little bit more as we roll out the movie, but all of the prior information that I've given about movies, countercultural movies from my teen years that were presented to me as a teenager, is basically out the window with this one. Like, I know. And I'm like, wow. Like, I'm actually very surprised that my late Gen X, early millennial brain didn't explode seeing this movie. In fact, I have a lot to say about it and how it kind of is woven into all of the other stuff, like I said, that was presented to teens or young adults in the mid-90s especially. But I'm excited because, yeah, we've got a great episode, and I love talking about stuff that I've never seen before. So
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Kara Klenk
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Millie de Chericho
and iHeart Audiobook Club.
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Casey O'Brien
This week on the podcast, I am sitting down with Ray Porter, the narrator of Andy Weir's audiobook project, Hail Mary Massive sci fi adventure about survival and science and what happens when you wake up alone, very far from Earth. I really had to make a decision because I caught myself getting that frog in my throat and starting to get teary as I'm narrating some of these sections. And it's like, okay, yo, yo, yo. Is this indulgent? And I really thought about it. I was like, no. At this point, it would kind of be betraying the trust the author and the listener have in telling this story if I don't go through it. But there's places in this book that deeply, emotionally affected me. And I left it on the mic. That's great. Cause it served the story. People will say like, oh, my God, I cried at the end. It's like, yeah, dude, me too. Listen to Irsay the Audible and iHeart audiobook club on the iHeartradio app or wherever you get your podcasts. Well, Millie, I think we should get right into the film diary.
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Millie de Chericho
Yeah, sure.
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Casey O'Brien
For you. Little light this week. Very light.
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Millie de Chericho
Not.
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Casey O'Brien
It's just like a fortune cookie piece of paper that I'm holding dangling in the wind.
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Millie de Chericho
Yeah, one of those pieces of paper was made by the dudes from. No other choice. This very random, random piece of paper.
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Casey O'Brien
A very fine, delicate piece of paper. Do you ever open up a Chinese, like a fortune cookie and you go, help. I'm trapped in a fortune cookie factory?
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Millie de Chericho
Probably never.
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Casey O'Brien
That's a joke you can do if you want to, to people that you're with at dinner.
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Millie de Chericho
Thank you for teaching me how to woo people into friendship by this wonderful joke. No, I honest, I thought. You know what I. You know what I thought you were going to ask me is if I've ever opened up a fortune cookie and had no fortune.
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Casey O'Brien
Oh, scary. Has that happened to you?
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Millie de Chericho
It happens like one out of every six or Seven times. So it does feel like the grim reapers on her back, though, doesn't it?
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Casey O'Brien
A little bit, yeah, it does. No fortune can be told, dude.
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Millie de Chericho
Well, here's the thing. I don't have it like a traditional film diary this week, so why don't you go first?
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Casey O'Brien
Okay. I watched a zombie movie from 2025 called this is Not a Test. It's about a bunch of teens that take shelter in their high school to run away from the zombies. And it was. This is a bit of a mid zombie movie. It was very humorless. I don't like when zombie movies aren't funny. Don't have a little bit of humor to them, you know? So, yeah, I don't know. Nothing to write home about. You know, my wife and I, we try to watch every zombie movie known to man. So this was a newer one that we hadn't seen and we needed to check it out.
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Millie de Chericho
I'm looking at the cast right now. I don't. I don't know any of these young people, but I do see that actor Luke McFarlane, who I feel like is. Would be like an Alonzo Deralde Hallmark pinup guy.
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Casey O'Brien
Oh, obsession. Yes. Big time pinup guy. Can I just say something about his character? Here's spoiler alert. So if you don't want to get the spoiled for this is not a test, don't listen to the next minute. But basically they discover that this teacher has been staying in the high school the whole time and, like, spying on them. And he comes out and he's like, hey, how's it going? You shouldn't be scared, pretty girl. And it's like he was their English teacher. And it's like such a strange character choice that it's like, okay, the apocalypse has happened and now I'm allowed to be a pedophile like I always wanted to be. So it's very. It's like such a weird, like, villain turn in the movie.
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Millie de Chericho
So wait, he, like, lived in the school is what you're saying?
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Casey O'Brien
After the zombie apocalypse happened, he also was hiding. The kids get the idea. Let's go to the high school. And then they discover him. They stay there, and then they discover him several days later. And they're like, wait, you've been here the whole time While we've been staying, sleeping in the gym, You've been spying on us?
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Millie de Chericho
Oh, okay. Yeah, I was just gonna say, like, what the hell? What was he. So he ended up there at the apocalypse as well. And then now it's just a creepy peeper yeah.
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Casey O'Brien
But just seemed. Seemed like there were more pressing issues. It didn't seem like the time for him to become full on, you know, predator. Like, sexual predator. In that moment. There were zombies outside. I don't know. It was just an odd. It didn't. I would have cut that from the script. It didn't quite work for me anyways.
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Millie de Chericho
Yeah.
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Casey O'Brien
Millie, what did you watch?
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Millie de Chericho
Well, like I said, I did not watch any movies this week. In full disclosure, we recorded a few days ago. You know how that goes. I basically spent the weekend. So this episode is a few weeks out. So you'll notice that this is all from a few weeks prior. I did watch the coachella feeds on YouTube pretty much all day and night. Have you watched any of the feeds ever?
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Casey O'Brien
I haven't imbibed any of the Coachella feeds.
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Millie de Chericho
Actually.
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Casey O'Brien
I've never watched any of the Coachella feeds. And furthermore, I've never been to Coachella, so I have no connection to this whatsoever.
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Millie de Chericho
So you never went?
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Casey O'Brien
I never went, but. Oh, my God. I mean, I went to college there in la too, and it was such a huge thing for people to go out to Coachella. But, yeah, I never went. It just seemed too hot, frankly. It seemed too hot, and I didn't want to go.
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Millie de Chericho
I never went either. So. I am that type of person, just like you. I always feel like whenever I think about the type of person that would just, like, really love to go to Coachella, I think about Tom Sandoval from
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Casey O'Brien
100% from Vanderpump Rules. Ding, ding, ding. Yes.
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Millie de Chericho
Right. And I am not like him pretty much at all. But I do think that the Coachella feeds are great, though, because it's like a way for you, like, if you just like the music or if you just want to see a band. I think it's a great way. It's totally free on. On YouTube. And, you know, they actually get. Apparently McGlorin, the director, McG directed the Coachella feeds this year or something.
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Casey O'Brien
Oh, that's cool. Yeah, he did Charlie's Angels.
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Millie de Chericho
Yeah. And I don't know how. How much he was doing, and maybe he was just doing certain performances or whatever, because, you know, there's multiple stages. By the way, Coachella is a big music festival that happens out in the desert every year around this time. Part of the reason why I also never went is because it usually was around the same weekend as the TCM Classic Film Festival. I see. Which I always had to work for
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Casey O'Brien
so long, which is like, old people
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Millie de Chericho
Coachella, you know, Alison Anders the director, Alison Anders, of course. She's a friend of mine.
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Casey O'Brien
Yeah.
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Millie de Chericho
She used to call it her Coachella. She used to call TCM Fest her Coachella, which I thought was really cute. It was. It was like Coachella for people who wanted George Brent on the main stage.
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Casey O'Brien
We're just dropping George Brent Reverend references left and right. Oh, you know.
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Millie de Chericho
You know how we are. But it's. But it was. It was great. I watched.
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Casey O'Brien
Yeah, I was gonna ask who. Who. Did you see the highlights?
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Millie de Chericho
So I watched Pink Panthers, who was very. It was very fun, very lively. Loved the music, loved her. I loved the samples that she uses in her songs. That was really great. I watched Laufey. Do you know who Laufey is?
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Casey O'Brien
Oh, of course. She's our Weijian queen.
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Millie de Chericho
Yes. Amongst many. There's a lot of Wajians out there right now.
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Casey O'Brien
And you know who's the biggest Wajian queen in my life? Patience o'. Brien. My daughter.
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Millie de Chericho
That's right. No, it's like, kind of like if you really kind of glazed over everything, you're like, okay, so there's like, Japanese breakfast, and then there's Mitsky, and then there's Laufey, and then there's Hudson Williams from Heated Ravelry.
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Casey O'Brien
And then there's like, I don't know, Alyssa Liu.
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Millie de Chericho
Yeah, Alyssa Lou. I mean, it is a. It's the high era of visions and. Love it. Listen, I love it.
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Casey O'Brien
It's your time.
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Millie de Chericho
But I'm also, like, retroactively mad for my former self because I was like, yo, where was all of this love when I was in middle school and people were calling me Chinese Girl? This sucks. But anyway, happy for Lafey. I didn't know anything about her, but she was great. She was like a beautiful princess playing a piano.
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Casey O'Brien
Yeah.
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Millie de Chericho
And then most what I wanted to see, and I know that you probably feel a little differently. I had to see the Biebs, Justin Bieber.
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Casey O'Brien
People were a little pissed off about his set.
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Millie de Chericho
Oh, God. What's the problem? That he wore a hoodie and shitty shorts on YouTube that he was, like, folding it in from, you know, like, it was like he was basically just him on this, like, sculptural kind of stage that was just almost like, one color. And then he had his laptop, and that was really all it was. I thought it was great, though. I was like, this is kind of fun and minimal and I don't know. Like, I've just seen Pink Panthers who had, like, backup dancers and actors coming out on stage. So I was like, oh, yeah, this is kind of a vibe. But, yeah, I heard people were mad about that. And. But I also thought it was really interesting, too, because at the end, towards the end, he was literally, like, looking shit up on YouTube. And like, he was basically like, let's watch me cruise YouTube and watch old videos of myself. Which people thought was a cop out, but I actually thought was kind of interesting. And I also thought kind of sad because I was like, oh, here's a guy, like, watching his younger self. And as you probably know, like, he's got a lot of problems or he's had. He was a child star. Enough said. Right? So I'm like, I don't know. It was kind of like a interesting look into his life. And it also felt kind of like he wasn't taking himself too seriously too, which I kind of appreciate. But, I mean, reality is that I was never into Bieber because, I mean, I'm the same age as Usher. So I. Yeah, Justin Bieber felt like his protege. So I was like, oh, he's like a kid. But when Purpose came out about 10 years ago, I was like, yo, I fuck with this. This is good. Purpose is a great album.
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Casey O'Brien
And he's got some good hits. Well, he's got some songs.
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Millie de Chericho
And Swag, which is his most kind of recent, he's got. I think there's, like, two albums. They came out, like, pretty close together. Obsessed. I'm obsessed with Swag. It's so good. It's music just the way that I like it, which is like an R and B singer with the voice of an angel, basically singing over, like, very simple beats. That's kind of my little wheelhouse of my heart. And I'm obsessed with Swag. And he did a lot. I mean, his set was. The majority of it was off the new album. Cause I don't think he can play his old songs.
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Casey O'Brien
Oh, really? For, like, record label stuff?
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Millie de Chericho
Yeah. I feel like somebody was telling me it's like some weird thing where he doesn't own his older catalog.
- [30:35]
Casey O'Brien
God, it's sad.
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Millie de Chericho
Might be like some I hate that shit, Scooter Braun thing or something. I don't know. But. So he can't perform those songs or something. I don't know all the details. Don't come at me if I got that wrong. But anyway, it was great. I was like high as fuck after I saw that. I was like, oh, he was great.
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Casey O'Brien
So anyway, it's hard because, like, some people are like, well, he didn't put in the effort. And all these people Paid so much money and drove to the middle of the desert to see him. So you can see that side of the argument. But then it's also like, well, maybe this I. He's doing something interesting and weird.
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Millie de Chericho
Yes.
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Casey O'Brien
And like, you can't really quantify artistic output in that way and be like, what counts as effort and what doesn't, you know? Yeah, it's like, so I don't know. Well, I can see both sides.
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Millie de Chericho
Yeah, I do, too. And, you know, like I said, I feel like it is a case by case basis because I think a lot of people are like, well, fuck, look at, like, Sabrina Carpenter and Addison Rae and all these people who are, like, doing these big productions. And, you know, why isn't he, like. He's just as big of a star, if not bigger. Why doesn't he put in more of a show? And I'm like, I think it's actually the opposite, where he's basically like, the show is me being like, fuck all y'.
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Casey O'Brien
All.
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Millie de Chericho
I do what I want. And I kind of appreciate that in a way that he's just kind of like, I don't even give a shit. I'm gonna literally wear a hoodie over my head the entire time and not care.
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Kara Klenk
I don't know.
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Millie de Chericho
I kind of love that. But that's, again, your mileage may vary, I suppose, but anyway, interesting.
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Casey O'Brien
Well, very good.
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Millie de Chericho
Yep, that's it.
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Casey O'Brien
All right, well, let's close up the film diary. Smash. Smash. Shut. All right, moving on to our main discussion, we're talking about tank Girl from 1995, directed by Rachel Talele, screenplay by Teddy Serafian. Rachel Tolele directed two movies before Tank Girl. She directed Freddy's the Final Nightmare, one of the Nightmare on Elm street movies, and then this other movie called Ghost in the machine from 1993, which I haven't seen, but I'm interested in. But I don't think she's directed a movie since she's directed a lot of television. But I feel like that's what happens to women. They have one flop and then they get put in director jail forever, and then they only direct tv, which isn't a bad life, obviously, but, like, maybe she would have had a bigger film career if she, you know, if Tank Girl wasn't a flop, because it was a flop at the time. Anyways. It's based on Tank Girl, the comic book by Alan Martin and Jamie Hewlett. It's a sci fi punk apocalyptic movie, very MTV coded. Actors include Lori Petty as Tank Girl, Naomi Watts as Jet Girl, ice T, Malcolm McDowell. Some fun people in there. Millie, what is your personal connection to this movie?
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Millie de Chericho
So, like I said prior in the episode, I did not see this movie when it came out, and this movie came out in 95. So I was 16. This would have been an absolute bullseye movie for me to see at that age. But for some reason, I don't know, I never saw it.
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Casey O'Brien
Just missed it.
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Millie de Chericho
I missed it, but all my friends did, and they lived it. I mean, one of the things that I kind of wanted to bring up at some point was kind of the riot girl adjacentness of this movie.
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Casey O'Brien
100%.
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Millie de Chericho
Like, all my girlfriends were riot girls. Like, all of them, they all wore ripped tights and little shorts and boots, Doc Marten boots. And they all had. They all kind of have this look. And I felt like they all really enjoyed this movie when it came out because of all that. But I do remember owning and listening to the soundtrack like crazy. Oh, really?
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Casey O'Brien
You owned the soundtrack?
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Millie de Chericho
Oh, yeah. I had the cd. I mean, this was very similar to. I think I've talked about that movie Angus from. Is it 2000. Angus in 2000, where I never saw the movie until last year for the very first time. But I owned the CD soundtrack since the week it came out.
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Casey O'Brien
So that's so funny.
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Millie de Chericho
Same thing with Tank Girl. I listened to the soundtrack, which was done by Courtney Love, I'm sure people know that. But it featured all the jams from the day, the popular jams. And so I was down for the soundtrack, but I'd never seen the movie.
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Casey O'Brien
So Angus came out in 1995.
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Millie de Chericho
Oh, why did I think it was 2000?
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Casey O'Brien
I don't know. But, yeah, actually, I've never seen Angus either, but I remember it very distinctly. I don't remember listening to the soundtrack, but I. Maybe we should do that one on the show.
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Millie de Chericho
I think we should do. And like, I talked about this back. I want to say this was when I logged in Nausea, the film Nausea by Michael Almareda, where he basically, like, he. I said something to the effect of how the director, Michael Almerada was like, I don't. The music companies were just bringing me songs to play on the soundtrack. And it was kind of like a whatever thing. It was all just, like, publicity. And I feel like 95 was probably like the absolute high era for record companies trying to put their alternative bands on movie soundtracks.
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Casey O'Brien
Yeah, totally.
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Millie de Chericho
Because every. Every movie, it didn't matter if it was Tank Girl or if it was like some fucking Robert Redford movie. It's like the soundtrack was just like, oh, let's just put all the alternative music that we can find on here and yeah, promote our bands. So.
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Casey O'Brien
Yeah, that's interesting. Yeah, we should definitely do Angus. I think that would be good.
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Millie de Chericho
Yeah.
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Casey O'Brien
Yeah. This was like. I hadn't seen it until probably 10 years ago, but it was one of those movies because it came out in 1995, I was seven. So I remember it coming out and me being totally interested in it and being like kind of obsessed with seeing like commercials for it and trailers for it. And it kind of scared me a little bit. And then I would always see the VHS at Mr. Movies because it was like Lori Petty looking in the camera with this fisheye lens and it just seemed sort of scary and violent and interesting. And so I had this running list of movies and I can't remember too many of them, but it was a running list of movies that was like, when I'm old enough to see R rated movies, I need to see that immediately. And I remember Tank Girl and I remember Event Horizon, but I can't remember anything else besides those two. But anyways, I was like very. I was very interested in this movie when it came out.
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Millie de Chericho
Yeah. Oh, totally. I can totally see that.
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Casey O'Brien
So, comps, we're adding a category to our intro. Comps, do you have. Did any comps come to mind for you, Millie?
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Millie de Chericho
Yeah, well, one of them did and I'm gonna talk about it later on almost kind of immediately. But, you know, it definitely reminded me of, like I said, first watch anything that was kind of like comic book adjacent. So like Ghost World or you know, sort of like movies like even Sin City or something like that. Like stuff that was kind of like embedded in a comic book. Comic Book Confidential, which I know is another Daniel Clows thing, but you know what I mean, it just was sort of like, oh, this is kind of fun, but what do you think? I mean, there's probably a huge list of others that are kind of like,
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Casey O'Brien
I just feel like this type of movie, Tank Girl coming out in 1995, there was a lot of movies that were kind of like this like grungy, futuristic, punk, steampunk type movies with like Bugs Bunny style characters kind of in it. And so like, there were a lot around this time. The Super Mario Brothers movie in 1993 I think is like kind of very similar to this. The Fifth Element in 1997, I thought reminded me of this even down to like the creature design in that movie and just like cartoonish overacting. Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles, Howard the Duck. I even put in there with these, like. So. So there's like, this futuristic type of, like, movie that's, like, goofy as during this time. But there's also this type of movie that doesn't come out at all anymore, which is like, this, like, weird anthropomorphic human animal characters and like. Like, Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles, Howard the Duck, like I mentioned. And there's this movie called. Which I sent the trailer to Millie before we record. But there's this movie called warriors of virtue from 1997, which is a kids movie. And basically this kid falls down this industrial tube and ends up in this, like, magic land where there are, like, these kangaroo warrior men. And it's just weird because there are, like, kangaroo warrior men in Tank Girl, too. It's very odd. Something was going on at the time where there was a bunch of, like, anthropomorphic kangaroo guys running around. So, yeah, those are some of the other comps that came to mind at this time in terms of, like, the trends of movies that were happening.
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Millie de Chericho
Yeah, I know, man. It is always. It is always such a dot, dot, dot moment when a movie like an anthropomorphic person, hybrid animal, hybrid type comes out because you're, like, either scared or turned on by it. I think most kids.
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Casey O'Brien
Sometimes both, frankly.
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Millie de Chericho
Sometimes, Yeah. I mean, a lot of times both. But it's like, to me, it depends on what it is, because I remember seeing Howard a duck and thinking it was disturbing. And then I also remember there was a movie, I'm sure you remember it, from 1989, called Meet the Feebles.
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Casey O'Brien
Yes, yes.
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Millie de Chericho
Peter Jackson, which was. But, I mean, that took it in an insane direction. But it was like anytime the anthropomorphic characters were, like, cussing and smoking and drinking and having sex or being just like, you know, the Howard Duck way, kind of like a used car salesman type. I'm like, this is so fucking weird. Like, what do you think about this? Like, you know, but it is just
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Casey O'Brien
so weird because it's like, so much time, energy and money went into these, like, makeup and costume effects. It was just like. And it seems like a lot of these movies were, like, total bombs. Like, why was this happening so frequently? Yeah, that this. These type of. This type of creature was showing up in movies.
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Kara Klenk
Well.
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Millie de Chericho
And like, in Tank Girl, it wasn't like they weren't wearing, like, puppet bodies. I mean, it was kind of like the zoobly zoo ification of, you know. So basically, it was just like, here's a human in a human body, but then he has like an animal face or an animal paws or something. And I'm like, yeah, I don't know.
- [42:18]
Casey O'Brien
It just felt it was upsetting.
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Millie de Chericho
Well, we'll talk about why it's upsetting though, later, I'm sure. Right?
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Casey O'Brien
Yes, hopefully. You know what it reminded me? You know what it reminded me of was the Equusapiens from Sorry to bother.
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Millie de Chericho
Yes, yes, yes.
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Casey O'Brien
The Half horse people.
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Millie de Chericho
Oh, God. Yeah, I was like. And I have read subsequently about Tank Roll where there might have been some like, penis action in, in the, in the movie that was removed or something.
- [42:48]
Casey O'Brien
And I'm like, on the cutting room floor, I think there. Half man, half kangaroo dick.
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Millie de Chericho
Thank God.
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Casey O'Brien
Shot and filmed and edited.
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Millie de Chericho
Yeah, we don't need a Sorry to bother you repeat of the do the horse dongs. I couldn't take it. It was awful.
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Millie de Chericho
and iHeart Audiobook Club.
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Casey O'Brien
This week on the podcast, I am sitting down with Ray Porter, the narrator of Andy Weir's audiobook project Hail Mary Massive sci fi adventure about survival and science and what happens when you wake up alone, very far from Earth. I really had to make a decision because I caught myself getting that frog in my throat and starting to get teary as I'm narrating some of these sections and it's like, okay, yo, yo, yo, is this indulgent? And I really thought about it. I was like, no, at this point, it would kind of be betraying the trust the author and the listener have in telling this story if I don't go through it. But there's places in this book that deeply, emotionally affected me. And I left it on the mic. That's great, because it served the story. People will say like, oh, my God, I cried at the end. It's like, yeah, dude, me too. Listen to Irsay, the Audible and iHeart audiobook club on the iHeartradio app or wherever you get your podcasts. Well, let's get into it, Millie. So it is funny watching these futuristic movies from the past where it's like, this takes place in the year 2033. I'm like, that's like, tomorrow, basically.
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Millie de Chericho
Yeah, not that far.
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Casey O'Brien
Not that far. So it's the year 2033. It's 10 years prior to the events of this movie. A comet hit the Earth, sending it into an apocalyptic state. And basically it's been in a drought ever since and hasn't rained in 10 years. So there's like, no water. And the remaining water is controlled by this evil corporation called Water and Power. The evil leader of the corporation is Kessley, played by Malcolm McDowell. More on him later. I have some questions about his
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Millie de Chericho
participation.
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Casey O'Brien
I have some questions about him being in this movie and how much he was in this movie. Our hero, our narrator, Rebecca Tank Girl Buck, played by Lori Petty. She's like this anarcho, kind of Bugs Bunny punk character, riot girl character. And she lives in this, like, nasty punk house, which I feel like I've been in that house in, like, la. It's siphoning water from Water and Power illegally. So one night, while Tank Girl is standing watch outside the house, Water and Power soldiers torch the house, killing Tank Girl's boyfriend and kidnapping Tank Girl and her, like, kind of like surrogate little sis, Sam, who's played by Stacy Lynn Ramsauer. So there are also these creatures called the Rippers, which are the half man, half kangaroo. And they're kind of a mysterious force. They're like, fucking up water and powers stations and killing all the Water and Power employees. So they're kind of this. We don't really know about them at the beginning of the movie, but they're kind of this scary force that's out in the desert as well.
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Millie de Chericho
Yeah, we know that the Rippers basically will, like, rip human arms and legs off. Like, basically at the very, very beginning, Tank Girl's, like, out in the desert, and she's like, oh, Ripper's through here because she sees this, like, completely shredded dude in the sand with, like, no arms and legs and shit.
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Casey O'Brien
So. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So, you know, one of the things I wanted to talk about is, stylistically in this movie, it cuts to, like, actual inserts of, like, comic book, because this is a comic book movie. And, like, it does it pretty much throughout the movie. So there's, like, animated sequences and then there's actual stills that they, like, cut to the actual comics. And for me, that, like. I don't know if that, like, totally worked for me because they would cut to the comic book versions of the scenes that were happening at the same time in the movie. But then they would be different looking, though. It's like the characters would look so different and be dressed totally different in the comic book version than they were depicted in the movie. And so it was sort of disorienting for me. And I can't really find anything about this, but it sort of seems like they were using that to cover up not getting some of the footage or something. It sort of felt that way, anyway.
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Millie de Chericho
Yeah.
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Casey O'Brien
I don't know. What did you think about that?
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Millie de Chericho
I gotta be honest, again, like, I'm going against probably everything that I've ever said on this podcast with some of this, but I thought it was actually kind of charming.
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Casey O'Brien
Okay.
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Millie de Chericho
And I don't know if it's because I currently have a fondness for the era of, like, graphic novels and comic books that I experienced when I was a teenager. Right. So stuff like Tank Girl stuff like Love and Rockets, the Daniel Clow stuff, milk and Cheese, like Evan Dorkin stuff like, I kind of, you know, I wasn't, like, a comic book nerd. I wouldn't go as. I wouldn't go as far as saying that about myself, but, like, alternative comics and graphic novels were a part of punk culture, and that is where I was. You know, this is my era when I was, like, a teenager. I wanted, you know, everything that was in the stream of counterculture and alternativeness and punk rockness, and that was a part of comic books. And alternative comics, I would say, are part of it. So a lot of this movie is obviously nostalgia for me, even though this is the first time I have seen this movie. But immediately when the comics started coming up, I was like, oh, this is kind of cute. And it would be like all these old, like, he's kind of like, these drawings of Tank Girl that I remember from back in the day from seeing them, like, in comic books and magazines and stuff, and I was like, I don't know. I'm kind of digging this for some reason.
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Casey O'Brien
Yeah. I mean, I. I don't, like. It's not like. It's like a game. I don't. I don't, like, hate it, but it's just, like, a little jarring for me for some reason. But I, too, love. Alternative comics are a huge part of my life. I love graphic novels. I mean, I. Daniel Clowes is, like, my favorite cartoonist. I love Adrian Tomina's stuff. I mean, the inspiration for my daughter's name comes from a Daniel Clowes book.
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Millie de Chericho
Wow. I didn't know that. Yeah.
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Casey O'Brien
He wrote a book called Patience.
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Millie de Chericho
Oh, I know. I own it. It's.
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Casey O'Brien
Yeah.
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Millie de Chericho
I mean, yeah, this was like. I was ordering from Fantagraphics, like, every weekend or something, you know, like, anytime I had a paycheck, and it was like. Yeah. I think that was a huge part of the nostalgia for me with Tank Girl was just seeing the old comics kind of pop in. But I understand. I do understand how it could be jarring because it did feel like kind of a scene missing, type of feel where I was like, well, maybe they didn't even have enough money to film it, so they just drew it, Right?
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Casey O'Brien
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So. Yeah. And one thing that happens in this movie is like, you know, water is so. You know, there's like, no water. So like, sometimes these bad guys, they, like, kill another guy by sticking this thing in their back, and it sucks all the water out of the body, and then they drink the water out of the water bottle.
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Millie de Chericho
Yeah. There's a scene with Malcolm McDowell. The green screen to Malcolm McDowell. I'm kidding. Completely phoned in. No, where he, like, basically is kind of showing his soldiers, like, how ruthless of a leader he can be. And he does that. He's like, sticks the bottle in a dude's back, and it expands and it fills up with water, which is basically being siphoned from the guy's body. And then he, like, cracks it open. He's, like, taking a sip, and I'm like, yo, that's gross. Would you do this? Would you?
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Casey O'Brien
Yeah. I mean, I thought it looked tasty. I thought it looked really clean. I don't know. There's something sort of satisfying about drinking a man's soul. I got it in the moment. No way. I think I would.
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Millie de Chericho
Oh, man. Are you. So what if. Okay, first of all, has it been through, like, a distillation process? Is there, like a. Like, I'm like, it could be Tears. It could be piss. It could be gastrointestinal juices or.
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Casey O'Brien
It looked pretty clean to me.
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Millie de Chericho
I guess that's part of it for me, where I was like, how do they get such a clean pull?
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Casey O'Brien
Yeah, from this clean pull. Oh, God, too. They also, like, sucked the water out of the bodies.
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Millie de Chericho
I mean, this better be fucking Fiji Quality, or else I'm not drinking water from another person's body like that.
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Casey O'Brien
Millie, you can drink me if things get. If things get tough, I at least
- [53:17]
Millie de Chericho
have to boil it a little bit.
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Casey O'Brien
Come on.
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Millie de Chericho
You have a lot of martinis in your system.
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Casey O'Brien
I do. Might be a little. There might be some.
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Millie de Chericho
Some pickling going on.
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Casey O'Brien
Distillation process happening there. All right, so Tank Girl is enslaved and tortured at the Water and Power plant, but she meets up with the introverted Jet Girl, played by Naomi Watts. I think this is, like, her big first break. She's a jet technician at Water and Power, and Kesslee is, like, really loving torturing Tank Girl, so he uses her to lure the Rippers out in the open, but it backfires. And Kesley is, like, mutilated and severely, like, up by the Rippers. He has, like, his arm ripped off and his, like, head mauled. And Tank Girl and Jet Girl escape. But they find out that Sam, you know, Tank Girl's little pal, is being employed at a sex club called Liquid Silver. So they infiltrate the club and they do a song and dance routine with all the dancers to the song let's do it by Cole Porter, which everyone in the future knows for some reason. And before they escape, Water and Power soldiers break things up and they recapture Sam. So it all doesn't work out in the end. But something that you were alluding to, Millie, is that Malcolm McDowell is, like. This is, like, the funniest shit in the world to me, where, like, clearly they only had him for, like, two days on the movie. And then, like, the rest of the time, his character's, like, wearing a mask because he's been mutilated. And I was just, like, Malcolm McDowell was, like, on set for, like, I don't know, maybe a day. And, like, he's, like, totally green screened into the rest of this. I don't know. That really made me laugh.
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Millie de Chericho
Yeah.
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Casey O'Brien
Seeing. Seeing him in, like, the mask after he's, like, gotten beat up. That was really.
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Millie de Chericho
Yeah, that. That's what I'm thinking, is that he came in for a day and they're like, fuck, we. We forgot to film this scene. All right, let's just. He's Gonna wear a mask. Let's get the PA in here. He'll be his shoulders and arms.
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Casey O'Brien
Yeah, exactly. That happens at. In Josie and the Pussycats, too. There's that, like, fake boy band at the beginning of the movie called. I think it's du Jour. I could be wrong about that. Do you. Have you seen Josie and the Pussycats? No. Okay, well, they returned, but they're all in, like, body casts and, like, it's, like, clearly not them.
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Millie de Chericho
People love that movie. We should watch it. I should watch it.
- [55:53]
Casey O'Brien
Dude, that movie rips. I have the soundtrack. I love Josie and the Pussycat.
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Millie de Chericho
I think we've glossed over. Kind of a big thing to talk about, which is, what are your thoughts on Lori Petty as Tank Girl? What do you. What are you thinking about her performance as Tank?
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Casey O'Brien
I thought she's great. I mean, she's really a believable Tank Girl. She seems, like, kind of crazy and outrageous, and she's got those big old bug eyes. I thought she was fun. Her character does get annoying, I think, as the movie goes on. But she's supposed to be kind of annoying, so I think it works well. But I thought she was great.
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Millie de Chericho
Yeah. I mean, so I have to say, for the record, I was going when I logged the film on, letterboxd, of course. I wander over to the section where it's like, who of my friends has seen Tank Girl? And what would they. What are they thinking of it? And I gotta say, it is so 50. 50. I have a few friends that loved it, a lot of friends that were giving it, like, one and a half, two stars, which I'm like, God damn, they must have really hated it. And even people that I thought would like it didn't like it.
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Casey O'Brien
Interesting. And I was just, women and men,
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Millie de Chericho
Women and men, dude. I mean, it was like. It's, like, contentious. And I was like, wow, this is so wild. And I was reading some of their reviews, and a lot of them were like, God, Lori Petty's characters, they so annoying. And, you know, and I'm like, I never read the original comic, the Jamie Hewlett comic, by the way. You know, Jamie Hewlett probably more famous for Gorillaz at this point than he is Tank Girl.
- [57:27]
Casey O'Brien
Oh, I don't know if I knew that.
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Millie de Chericho
You didn't realize that he was a part of Gorillaz, that he drew all the Gorillaz characters, and he's in the band with David Elbarn and all them.
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Casey O'Brien
I didn't know that.
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Millie de Chericho
Wow.
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Kara Klenk
I didn't know that.
- [57:39]
Millie de Chericho
Wow, dude. Wow. Yeah. I mean, that was kind of like why I started, you know, paying attention to gorillas, because I was like, oh, it's the guy that's a Tank Girl. He's in the.
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Casey O'Brien
I didn't even know that. I mean, it makes sense stylistically.
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Millie de Chericho
Yeah, yeah. Full disclosure, gorillas kind of drive me crazy, but whatever. I've seen them live. I don't know. Just was kind of like, I have
- [58:01]
Casey O'Brien
no opinion on them. I feel nothing.
- [58:04]
Millie de Chericho
I love Blur.
- [58:05]
Casey O'Brien
It's like Styrofoam.
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Millie de Chericho
And I love Shonen Knife. And I love Is Dan the Automator in the Gorillaz. I love Del the Funky. I love anybody that's in the band. But also, like, the conceit of a cartoon band playing live drives me nuts. I can remember seeing them going like, so none of these actual musicians are coming out. They're just gonna be cartoons on a. Yeah. Talk about phoning it in Justin Bieber style.
- [58:32]
Casey O'Brien
Just looking at some cartoon guys up there. Yeah. Anyway, long story crazy that it's gone on as long and as big as it is. I thought it was just like, a one music video thing.
- [58:42]
Millie de Chericho
Yeah, no, no.
- [58:42]
Casey O'Brien
But it's like. No, it's like a whole.
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Millie de Chericho
Oh, it's a thing, like. And long story short, you know, I had never read the original Tank Girl, but I felt like the character was supposed to be this, like, young, punk rock, freewheeling, like, crazy girl. And I think I kind of thought about it this time in the context of, like, the manic pixie dream girl trope, where it's like, here's this wild, free girl and who's running around being crazy and saying crazy shit. And in the. I feel like this Tay Girl character is not a manic Pixie dream girl.
- [59:19]
Casey O'Brien
No.
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Millie de Chericho
And she didn't read as annoying to me. She just kind of read as, like, a fucking alternative girl from the 90s who was just kind of, like, doing whatever the fuck she wanted to do and didn't care. I don't know. I kind of loved the character of Tank Girl. And then I was like, reading all these reviews from my friends. They were like, yeah, man, annoying. She sucked. Blah, blah. I'm like, what? What?
- [59:40]
Casey O'Brien
I think I hold both of the. Because I really think it's a perfect. I think she's great. I think it's. But it's like, characters are allowed to be annoying. She is kind of an annoying character, but I think that's sort of her point. She's annoying all the water and power people.
- [59:53]
Millie de Chericho
Yeah.
- [59:53]
Casey O'Brien
You know, and like, I. I I like that about her. That she's annoying.
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Millie de Chericho
Yeah. I just think she's super cute. So I. I was charmed.
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Casey O'Brien
Very cute.
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Millie de Chericho
Charmed by Tank Girl. And maybe people would think I wouldn't be, but I was. So I was.
- [60:09]
Casey O'Brien
You know who I was charmed by? Jet Girl? Naomi Watts. Big crush on her.
- [60:13]
Millie de Chericho
Huge. She's so cute. Oh, my God.
- [60:16]
Casey O'Brien
So cute.
- [60:17]
Millie de Chericho
So adorable.
- [60:18]
Casey O'Brien
Love her.
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Millie de Chericho
She was the one that made me want to read the comic because I was like, oh, well, now I want to. I like her character. She's sweet and. And.
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Casey O'Brien
But I like their friendship a lot because I feel like it's a pretty common friendship where it's like the loud, outspoken, crazy one usually has, like, a best gal pal who's, like, introverted. Like, I don't know. I've seen you see that out in the real world a lot. And it's, like, fun and, like, it feels like a. It's a fun female friendship to have in a movie like this.
- [60:50]
Millie de Chericho
Yeah.
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Casey O'Brien
You know, I've been.
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Millie de Chericho
I've been Jet Girl. Not introverted, but I have been sidekicked, if you know what I mean.
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Casey O'Brien
Yeah. You've been Stevied.
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Millie de Chericho
I've been. I have been Stevied.
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Casey O'Brien
And you know Stevie from Eastbound and Down.
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Millie de Chericho
That's right. Of course, that's an inside joke between me and my collaborator, Casey o'. Brien. But I. Sometimes it's fun to be, you know, have a fucking free will and friendship like that where, you know, like, Tank Girl can run around and be loud and start fights and I can just hang in the back and, you know, be intellectual. So, you know, it works. So.
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Casey O'Brien
Yeah. No, loved. Loved seeing her in this. Apparently, you know, there's this other character that they meet very briefly, this other woman who tells them that Sam is at the club. What's it called? Liquid Silver.
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Millie de Chericho
Yeah.
- [61:50]
Casey O'Brien
And that was supposed to be Sub Girl.
- [61:52]
Millie de Chericho
Yeah.
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Casey O'Brien
And she was supposed to be played by Bjork.
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Millie de Chericho
Yeah. I will say that that scene that they introduced, this, like, little sex club had a Bjork song playing. And I thought it was great. Great choice and great timing of the Bjork song. And then there was a part of the movie which was so amusing to me. And I mean, I think it needs to be said, like, not every scene in this movie makes sense cohesively. Like, there's a. There's a couple of, like, random things happening. And there's this scene where Tank Girl. It's kind of like a scene in, like, girls movies, which is, like the trying on clothes in the dressing room. Scene. And there's kind of makeover montage. Yeah, makeover montage. And there's a. A holograph of a woman who is actually. P.S. for all my En Vogue fans out there. Dawn Robinson from En Vogue plays the hologram of the. Of the woman who tells her what she has to wear in the sex club. And there's like a sequence where basically Tank Girl's like, she's supposed to look like one of these, like, sex workers or whatever in the club, but then she's like, I don't wear that shit and I wear what I want and. But it was like a weird moment. Cause you're like, oh, this is like, this is a very. This scene has very serious implications. But no, here's a montage of trying on clothes. And it was very strange. But.
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Casey O'Brien
Yeah, but I feel like movies in the 90s were very willing to be silly.
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Millie de Chericho
Yes.
- [63:29]
Casey O'Brien
Like, it was willing to really get silly with it in ways that movies don't do now. I mean, I always bring up Austin Powers and how silly that movie is, and it's like, Like, I miss that. I miss those, like, goofball moments.
- [63:44]
Millie de Chericho
Like a goofball moment.
- [63:45]
Casey O'Brien
Yeah, exactly. Yeah, yeah.
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Millie de Chericho
Like where, you know, Michael Myers is in his underwear doing a fucking long winded sex joke or whatever.
- [63:54]
Casey O'Brien
Yes.
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Millie de Chericho
Well. And like, we also. We would be remiss if we did not mention that Iggy Pop shows up in this sex club scene looking sex. Absolutely wild.
- [64:10]
Casey O'Brien
Yes. He plays like a pedophile.
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Kara Klenk
Yeah.
- [64:12]
Casey O'Brien
It seems like he's a groomer or a, like, sex trafficker of some kind.
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Millie de Chericho
Well, and speak.
- [64:20]
Casey O'Brien
He's looking crazy.
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Millie de Chericho
Yeah. Speaking of Coachella, he was. He was at Coachella. And a friend of mine, my friend Shalei was sharp, who's been on the podcast. She was on our first episode actually.
- [64:29]
Casey O'Brien
Yep.
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Millie de Chericho
She texted me and was like, are you watching Iggy Papa Coachella right now? Because it sort of feels like elder abuse that he's on stage with no shirt on. I'm like, listen, I don't control him. He does whatever he wants. I think we know he's gonna wear no shirt until he's in the fucking ground. Six feet. We should just deal with it.
- [64:51]
Casey O'Brien
He does look like he's been tanned and leathered and like
- [64:59]
Millie de Chericho
he somehow looks crazier in Tank Girl than he did at Coachella. Just put that out there.
- [65:03]
Casey O'Brien
So I didn't know he was performing at Coachella.
- [65:05]
Millie de Chericho
Everyone. Everyone is, by the way. It's like the more that I, like, read about, I'm like, God, who didn't play Coachella.
- [65:11]
Casey O'Brien
I know God. Anyway, all right, so Tank Girl and Jet Girl wander into the desert to find the Rippers so they can take down Water and Power. And they find them, and we find out that these Rippers are like super soldiers. They're half human, half kangaroos that were designed by Water and Power and they're designed by this guy Johnny Prophet, who's like their leader. And they're waiting for him to come back, but they discover that Water and Power have killed him. And so they decide to go take down Water and Power and rescue Sam with Tank Girl and Jet Girl. So we finally meet the. The Rippers. And what were you thinking, Millie, when you saw these guys?
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Millie de Chericho
Zoobily zoo. That's what I was thinking.
- [65:58]
Casey O'Brien
Zoobaly zoo.
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Kara Klenk
You remember that?
- [66:00]
Casey O'Brien
Yes, I remember.
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Millie de Chericho
Zoo. The first thing I thought of, I was like, what in the Jesus zoobly zoo ass shit is this? I do love that two of them are Reggie Kathy and Ice T. Because you see. You see Ice T in the opening credits, and I'm like, well, how the fuck? Where is he at? And then you're like, oh, he's one of these kangaroo guys.
- [66:27]
Casey O'Brien
I can't believe. I can't imagine Ice Tea st, like, sitting in the makeup chair for that long. I mean, it is like. He's great in it, though. Yeah, him and Reggie Kathy are good.
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Millie de Chericho
Yeah, they were great in it. I love Reggie Kathy kind of being this, like, jazz bohemian.
- [66:44]
Casey O'Brien
Like, he's like a Jack Kerouac type person.
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Millie de Chericho
I love it. I will say that very, very early on in their encounters, like with Jet Girl and Tank Girls, encounters with these dudes, that one of them starts, like, hitting on Tank Girl pretty quickly.
- [67:06]
Casey O'Brien
They're horny.
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Millie de Chericho
They're horny.
- [67:10]
Casey O'Brien
And it's very clear that they, like, really want to Jet Girl and Tank Girl.
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Millie de Chericho
I was like, yo, hey, What? You just met them, you don't even know who they are. I mean. And they don't even know how to think about you in that way. I don't know. It was. Again, kind of felt a little rushed, but, you know, whatever.
- [67:37]
Casey O'Brien
Well, they're. They're in their little bunker, you know.
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Millie de Chericho
Yeah.
- [67:40]
Casey O'Brien
Alone, just with their other dude. So, I mean, there's a lot of build up, you know, you gotta. I don't know who else was in there.
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Millie de Chericho
Like, wasn't there another. Other actors in the suit, in the. As part of these.
- [67:51]
Casey O'Brien
Okay, so. Well, a few things. The production design in this movie is incredible. And it's by Catherine Hardwick.
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Millie de Chericho
Yeah.
- [67:58]
Casey O'Brien
Who Went on to direct Twilight and Thirteen and stuff, so. And apparently Rachel Tole had to really fight for her because she was really inexperienced, but she was, I thought, awesome. Everything looks amazing. Yeah, I mean, that's part of the great, great greatness of this movie. It really feels like this specific crazy world and it's like a fun place to dive into. So the production design was awesome, but so there's a. One of the. One of the kangaroo guys, one of the kangaroo crew. One of them is played by Scott Coffey, who's maybe not the most well known person, but he's the. He's the one that's like hitting on Naomi Watts, his character. And he's interesting. He's like an. He was kind of like an 80s actor that would show up and. Hell yeah. But he. A few things about him. Number one, him and Naomi Watts became like really good friends on this movie. They met on this movie and became really good friends. And they, like wrote and directed this really low budget independent movie shot on like a mini DV cam called Ellie Parker that Naomi Watts is in. And it's an amazing movie and it's really funny and it's all about being a struggling actress in la. So he's awesome for that reason. And then also he's in Mulholland Drive with Naomi Watts later. So they're like good pals. I think it's, like, really kind of sweet that they became pals on Tinker.
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Millie de Chericho
I love that actually, because I remember Scott Coffey, like, he was in two movies that were huge movies from my childhood. He was this movie called Shaggy, which stars.
- [69:33]
Casey O'Brien
I've never seen Shag.
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Millie de Chericho
It's a movie about South Carolina in the 1960s. So I see. Be it as it may, it was Bridget Fonda's in it. Phoebe Cates is in it. I love it because it's kind of like a movie about like four Southern girls who like, go on spring break together. But Scott Coffey plays like one of the boys that Annabeth Gish falls in love with in Shag. And then he was like. Like he played a kind of punk character in Some Kind of Wonderful with. He was kind of like Watts's punk boyfriend and I love. So anytime he popped up in a movie, I loved seeing him. So that makes me happy to think that he became like besties with Naomi Watts from Taylor.
- [70:17]
Casey O'Brien
I know, it's like kind of sweet. I don't know, he just seems like he has a cool career, you know, it's like he's not the most famous person, but I'm like, I kind of like want to have your career where you're just like kind of around doing cool stuff. Like, like just meeting cool people. I don't know.
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Millie de Chericho
He's a cool and he's. And his roles are like iconic in a way, but they're very like background.
- [70:40]
Casey O'Brien
And one last thing about him, he was a frequent customer of mine at Intelligencia. Oh, there we Kenny in Venice when I worked there. He was nice.
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Millie de Chericho
Maybe him and the President of the United States from Scandal. What's his name? Tony Goldman.
- [70:54]
Casey O'Brien
Maybe Tony Goldman.
- [70:55]
Millie de Chericho
Maybe they can. Can come together on the podcast and talk about your life as a way.
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Casey O'Brien
My latte skills.
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Millie de Chericho
Oh, oh. Here's the thing that we are completely glossing over, which is Stan Winston from the damn Terminator movies did the Rippers stuff. So he's responsible for the zoobily zooish ness.
- [71:16]
Casey O'Brien
But they look. I can. It seems like a master's touch on those.
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Millie de Chericho
Yeah, he did a good job.
- [71:23]
Casey O'Brien
He did a good job.
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Millie de Chericho
I think he, you know, after we did, you know, the Jurassic park movies and Aliens and the thing and all this stuff. Actually, he's like a pretty good dude. He knows what he's doing.
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Casey O'Brien
Yeah.
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Millie de Chericho
One last. Can I give you one last observation before we move on, please. There was a song that played, I think, in this section of the film, which when it started playing, my heart began to hurt. For 1995 and being a teenager riding around at 16 with my license, my brand new driver's license in my 1984 SAAB 900 that cost me $2,000 and was the biggest piece of shit, but was literally the only car that I've ever loved in my entire life. Like, never loved a car except for this Saab 900 love that I used to take the windows down with my friends and we used to ride around listening to a song called Disconnected by this band called Face to Face. And this song, I gotta say, might have been the anthem to my high school years. I mean, all of my friends jammed this band Face to Face. I've probably heard this song maybe 500 times.
- [72:53]
Casey O'Brien
Wow.
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Millie de Chericho
It's just like, like a popish punk song. And Face to Face was a band. I mean, I'm sure they're still around playing, you know, I don't know, the eighth stage at Coachella or something like that.
- [73:07]
Casey O'Brien
Sure, but they might have been at Coachella, who knows?
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Millie de Chericho
But they, you know, they had members of like, like the Descendants and all or something like that. It was like they were like one of those Like Socali type of bands. But when this song started playing Intake Girl, I was like, oh, my God, I haven't heard this song in forever. My heart was hurting for my youth.
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Casey O'Brien
I, I, the, The soundtrack is really unreal. Like the Bjork and the Courtney Love song. I mean, I was like, it really. It takes you to a certain time and place.
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Millie de Chericho
Well, all these other songs that were kind of like, peppered into that weren't maybe on the official soundtrack, but were just kind of like in the background, like the Richard Hill song Blank Generation. And there was the COVID of Devo's Girl you want at the very beginning of the movie.
- [73:58]
Casey O'Brien
I like that.
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Millie de Chericho
Yeah. I don't know. There was just the soundtrack was going ape. I loved it. I loved it.
- [74:08]
Casey O'Brien
Yeah, me too.
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Millie de Chericho
Courtney Love. Say what you want.
- [74:11]
Casey O'Brien
I love Courtney Love. I thought it was interesting in a recent interview where she was like, kim Gordon was a mean girl.
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Millie de Chericho
Oh, when she was sitting down with Billy Corgan.
- [74:20]
Casey O'Brien
Yeah, kind of interesting.
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Millie de Chericho
I was like, look at these two sitting around, like, talking. Like, these two talkers. I couldn't believe it. It.
- [74:31]
Casey O'Brien
I kind of liked it. I thought it was good.
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Millie de Chericho
I mean, I.
- [74:33]
Casey O'Brien
Listen, I love, I like Kim Gordon, but I could also see where they're coming from.
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Millie de Chericho
Listen, you put me in front of any 90s alternative tea and I'm drinking that like crazy. Yeah.
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Casey O'Brien
Slurp, slurp. Anywh. Who. The Rippers, Jet Girl and Tank Girl, they go to save Sam and destroy Water and Power. And they kind of have a standoff with Kesley, who's like mostly a robot now and has like a cybertronic hologram head. But Tank Girl spills some water on him and he dies and they save Sam. And I felt like the end of the movie was quite abrupt. It sort of just stopped and then. See, this is why there's animated sequences and then there's the comic strip punch ins. And I feel like you had to pick between one or the other because it ends with an animated sequence of them surfing on water. And I think it's supposed to be sort of a dream sequence to some degree of what their future holds, but it did just sort of end and then that happens.
- [75:43]
Millie de Chericho
Well, that's okay if you want to get totally real. And I will get real. The movie, I think, felt a little long to me. Like, I want to say, isn't it like an. An hour 45.
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Casey O'Brien
It's an hour and 42 minutes. That is too long for this type of movie. It felt you could cut 15 to 20 out of this.
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Millie de Chericho
Yeah. So there was a moment when it ended that I was like, all right, good.
- [76:09]
Casey O'Brien
Totally. I think, you know, I have these complaints about the movie. I like the. The comic strip punch ins it feeling like some scenes might be missing, frankly. Or, like, just, like, jarring cuts to other locations and you're kind of like, wait, what happened? And there's some montages. Like, there's like this tank makeover montage where they make over the tank. And it seems like it's cut from two random scenes because her outfit keeps changing. And it is. It's not like it's kind of confusing. But that all being said, I fucking loved this movie. I thought it was great. It was better this time than the first time I watched it. I really enjoy what they're trying to do. And it. To me, it feels there's a purity to this movie of what they're trying to accomplish. And I found it totally satisfying and great.
- [76:58]
Millie de Chericho
Yeah, I did, too. And I also think that, you know, just knowing what we know about Rachel Talele, like, having issues with the studio and, you know, maybe that describes why it feels a little disjointed or whatever. But I also think that's the spirit of the movie in a weird way, too. It felt absolutely. Felt very freewheeling. That's why I wasn't hodgepodge. Yeah. Wasn't bothered by the weird inconsistencies and stuff like that. I mean, you know, overall, I think I was just deeply satisfied by the return to this, like, era that I remember, like, you know, just the nine. Being a 90s teen, being sort of riot girl adjacent, being into punk rock and, you know, like, alternative anything. Felt this movie hit, like, in that way. And, you know, like I said, I think I was incredibly weary of things like commercial property that was being presented as, like, cool alternative, pug, mtv, blah, blah, blah, blah. And for some reason, I was not bothered by this movie at all. Like, I thought it was cute. I thought Lori Petty was adorable. I thought she made a perfect Tank Girl. I kind of. I was. I was kind of thinking I had the opposite reaction to Tank Girl that I had to Space Jam, which is that, like, sure, who cares if the movie doesn't make any sense and if it's weird, I love it. It was fun, you know, like.
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Casey O'Brien
Yeah, but I think Tank Girl is actually, like, trying to say something where I don't know if Space Jams. There's not many deeper themes going on with that, so I can understand that maybe it didn't hold together as well, as Tank Girl, you know. So this is a random question for you, Millie, but, you know, you're talking about how you're kind of allergic to, like, corporations attempt at making alternative culture stuff, you know. What do you think of a show like Daria?
- [78:56]
Millie de Chericho
Oh, I loved Daria.
- [78:57]
Casey O'Brien
Okay.
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Millie de Chericho
Yeah, I thought Daria was great. Like, I feel like. And this again, this is my teenage brain. I kind of knew it when I saw it that I was like, this feels very inauthentic. Like, yeah, for some reason I clocked Empire Records, a movie like Empire Records. Immediately I was like, this is bullshit. You know, and then I would watch stuff that was on mtv. Like, this is the thing about MTV in this era. Yes. You know, you could have said, okay, this is a corporation. And like, a band that's cool wouldn't be on MTV. But then there were cool parts of MTV. I mean, MTV is like, like Alternative Nation. 120 minutes. There were great, great people on that all, all day, every day. They did really amazing, you know, animation and like, they used cool actors. They had cool people on it. So it's like, it's like on one hand, I feel like a lot of people would think, like, oh, MTV is too commercial. But then MTV was really a part of alternative culture too, in a lot of ways.
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Casey O'Brien
Yeah.
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Millie de Chericho
So there were things on there that again, were commercial and overdone and inauthentic. But for the most part, MTV was still pretty cool. So I was like, yeah, you know, Daria was great for me. I loved it.
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Casey O'Brien
Yeah. So I guess I'm just asking because it's like I was like a child at the time. And to me it felt like so dangerous and alternative and like outside the mainstream. And so. But now I'm like, am I just looking back on that with, like rose colored glasses to some degree. So I was just curious about your take on kind of like, Yeah, I guess MTV's place.
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Millie de Chericho
No, they had. I mean, like, listen, be with. And Butthead was cool from the very beginning. Like, it was like, this is the thing is that like, for, you know, everybody that wasn't this age and doesn't actually know about alternative culture in the 90s, like, there were things on MTV that were cool. Liquid Television was fucking awesome. Like Beavis and Butthead was awesome. Like 120 minutes. You know, Daria, you know, all that stuff there was. There were Jackass. Yeah, but even. But prior to Jackass, I'm saying stuff from the, like, maybe late 80s, early 90s, there were cool people involved and there was Actually cool executives involved at mtv. If you've ever read a history of mtv, you'll know, like, you know, like I always say, the first Real World was incredible. Like. Like, there. It was real. There were real people involved, and they weren't. They weren't trying to make, like, what they do now, which is no videos and just Jersey Shore, I guess. But it was like. I don't know. Like I said, it's. It's hard to, like, come up with this, like, particular hardline rule about what I thought was alternative and what I thought was fake. Poser shit.
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Casey O'Brien
Sure.
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Millie de Chericho
But you got a sense of it, especially if you, like, knew, like, if you knew who was involved and kind of knew, like, where they came from, then you're like, oh, this is cool, versus, like, I don't know, like, a humongous studio making, like, I don't know, some other movie that didn't have anybody cool involved. And you're like, oh, these are just, like, hot actors from la.
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Casey O'Brien
Yeah.
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Millie de Chericho
Yeah. You know?
- [82:15]
Casey O'Brien
No, totally.
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Millie de Chericho
Just curious.
- [82:18]
Casey O'Brien
Well, any other thoughts, concluding thoughts about Tank Girl?
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Millie de Chericho
No. I mean, there's nothing more annoying than a Gen X person talking about Gen X, so I will probably just stop talking. But I am curious. They've never remade this. I was just reading that there was at some point a plan to reboot it with Margot Robbie's production company or something. Would you want there to be a remake of this? I don't know.
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Casey O'Brien
I don't know. I. It depends. Like, it depends on who is making it and who. What the intentions were.
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Millie de Chericho
Yeah. You know, one thing that I love about this movie, and this is we haven't brought this up yet, but I. You know, I do think that there are a lot of feminist elements of this film, especially when it comes to the sexuality of it, which I think is super interesting. And of course, like, I think about, okay, if they remade this movie, what would that be? Like, what would you be? Yeah, what. What could feminism and Tank girl be in 2026? Holy. We don't know.
- [83:27]
Casey O'Brien
Well, we need to see some Kangaroo Dong.
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Millie de Chericho
I think get Margot Robbie, the most riot girl feminist Barbie we've ever had, to be Tank Girl.
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Casey O'Brien
Yeah.
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Millie de Chericho
Super hot alternative babe.
- [83:47]
Casey O'Brien
I just also want to say I watched this on the Canopy app, Canopy Rules. Yeah, I watch a lot of stuff on there. It's free. Looks great.
- [83:54]
Millie de Chericho
Huge fan.
- [83:54]
Casey O'Brien
Huge fan.
- [83:55]
Millie de Chericho
Love it.
- [83:56]
Casey O'Brien
Everyone check out Canopy. All right, well, that was fun. Let's move on to my area of expertise with Kara Clank. All right, everybody, it's another installment of my area of expertise. And we have a wonderful guest on today, someone I know very well. She's a comedian, co host of the podcast that's messed up, an SVU podcast here on the exactly right network. She's also the co host of who's the Bitch? On the last podcast network. We have the hilarious, wonderful Kara Klenk on the show. Hi, Kara.
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Kara Klenk
Well, it's about damn time.
- [84:41]
Casey O'Brien
I know.
- [84:42]
Kara Klenk
I've been following the Instagram for years waiting for my invite and finally just,
- [84:50]
Casey O'Brien
I was just sort of sheepish. I was just like, Kara's not gonna want to be on, are you?
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Kara Klenk
I've been like, you guys did one once where I was like, I, I think I wrote you guys and was like, it's actually that I wasn't the guest on this one. Like you guys probably did like a Christopher guest double feature or something like that.
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Casey O'Brien
I think I did Waiting for Guffman.
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Kara Klenk
This is actually that you didn't have me because I think I've seen waiting for government 150 times.
- [85:14]
Casey O'Brien
Oh my.
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Kara Klenk
I just.
- [85:16]
Casey O'Brien
Thank you so much for being here.
- [85:17]
Kara Klenk
I'm so happy to be here. Thank you guys. It's great to see you both.
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Casey O'Brien
Yeah. This is so exciting. I've got two of the probably top 10 most prominent women in my life on the podcast a long time.
- [85:27]
Millie de Chericho
So yes, love that.
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Kara Klenk
Love to be up there in the pantheon.
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Casey O'Brien
Kara. So we have you on for an area of expertise and this is something you've spoken about on that's messed up. So that's sort of fun that we get to talk about it a little bit more at length here. But your area of expertise is later in life. Romance movies.
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Kara Klenk
Yes.
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Casey O'Brien
Can you explain why is this your area of expertise? What draws you to this genre and where did this passion begin?
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Millie de Chericho
I.
- [86:04]
Kara Klenk
I don't know. I think I like really. I think I like really vague movie titles like Patton Oswald. I guess Patton Oswalt has a joke about these kind of movie titles. Like feeling sort of kinda like it's. It's so fun. Like so basically, if you don't know what I'm talking about, it's like the nan. It's, it's Nancy Myers, but it's beyond Nancy Myers. I really love older female protagonists or main characters. I love that. I mean, it explains also why I'm very into the Real Housewives. The Real Housewives started out as a storytelling vehicle for women of a certain age. If I, if I may. And now has, you know, now there's 32 year old housewives or whatever. But they used to all be, like, in their 50s and 60s, which I liked. And I. I don't know. I think it's like, something's gotta give. It's complicated. Then the book club movies came out. I mean, I took a newborn baby to see the movie Palms, which is not necessarily a romance, but is like a later. Like, it's like. I hate to say it's kind of like white ladies getting their groove Back because. But I would absolutely watch women of color getting their groove back as well. Stella Got Her Groove Back.
- [87:19]
Casey O'Brien
Of course, we did discuss Stella Got Her Groove Back on. That's been an episode.
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Kara Klenk
Yeah. Like, I wish that there was. There were more, but it tends to be a Jane Fonda Diane, a Meryl Streep. You know, they're all, like, reconnecting. I mean, I recently watched this airplane movie that I talked about on our podcast called the Fabulous Four, I think. And it was with all my faves. I mean, it was Bette Midler, it was Susan Sarandon, and it was Sheryl Lee Ralph. And then who was the other one? Oh, God, I'm forgetting. What a stinker. Oh, my God, it was so bad.
- [87:52]
Millie de Chericho
It was stinking. Is that the way I felt about 80 for Brady? Did you ever see that one?
- [87:56]
Kara Klenk
Totally.
- [87:57]
Millie de Chericho
Yeah. Oh, man.
- [87:59]
Casey O'Brien
Did you say Susan Sarandon? Megan Mullally.
- [88:01]
Kara Klenk
Did you say Megan Mullally? She's the last one. You're right.
- [88:04]
Casey O'Brien
Okay.
- [88:05]
Kara Klenk
I mean, fave. Like a fave.
- [88:06]
Casey O'Brien
Yeah.
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Kara Klenk
I was so excited. I just. I just love it. I just love watching a lady that's like, nope, I've closed up shop. I am no longer entertaining. And usually they're thriving. They're. They're. They're. Their career is amazing. They. They're rich as hell. They've got a tastefully decorated in multiple palettes of beige home. Not. That's not aspirational for me, per se. But they're doing well. They don't need a man. And then a man comes in there and something fun happens. And I just like how flustered these ladies get. And I just think it's fun. I like watching these ladies have these old inside jokes with each other and stuff, too. The book club books. I mean, the book club movies are hysterically bad, but I love them.
- [88:53]
Casey O'Brien
Yes.
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Kara Klenk
I mean, there's like. I mean, you know, Diane Keaton's death was obviously extremely hard on me. That takes out a huge. A huge champion of my area. Area of expertise.
- [89:01]
Casey O'Brien
Well, she's kind of the queen of these type of movies.
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Kara Klenk
I mean, in book club there is a scene where she is fully clothed in a cream outfit on a pool float in what looks like a green screen scene in Arizona. Like it's so funny to me, like everything. And then I'll go see them with like my friend. Like I'll go see them with like my friend Elliot Glazer, very funny comedian. And he'll just be like, here's what I hated. Bop bop bop. And I'm like, oh, you're just naming all my favorite things about the movie. No, like that's everything I love. I just think it's. They're campy and they're funny and they're. I just do want them to be done like with a modicum of respectability. Like be a little bit good and that the problem with the fabulous four was it was just really not good. And 80 for Brady too. I auditioned for like a very small part in 80 for Brady.
- [89:51]
Casey O'Brien
Really?
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Millie de Chericho
What?
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Kara Klenk
But I was really the girl who got it. I was like, you're really funny. Like you're definitely funnier than me. And like more of a character. It was like, like it was like the woman at the. The part was like when. Which one of them's an author? Fonda?
- [90:05]
Casey O'Brien
Yeah. I haven't seen James Fonda is an author.
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Kara Klenk
And she goes somewhere, she's at like a football game or something and someone's like sign my book or something. Or she's at something where the person's like oh my God. And like knows everything about her work and like that's what. But the girl who got it was like really funny and like totally wild. But I just was like. When I read, when I watch these movies, I always go to the IMDb and I'm like, who wrote them? And it's always like somebody that, that I've never heard of. And the 80 actually 80 for Brady was written by Sarah Haskins who I think is so funny. It just felt like a movie that the studio like noted to death or something and it just didn't turn out the way. Cuz she's extremely funny.
- [90:44]
Millie de Chericho
Yeah.
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Casey O'Brien
And I wonder how much like onset stuff too there is where like you know, Jane Fonda is like, wouldn't it be funny if I did this? And they have to say yes to that.
- [90:53]
Millie de Chericho
Totally.
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Casey O'Brien
Would you ever. Have you ever like thought about writing one of these movies? Okay.
- [90:59]
Kara Klenk
I've written, I've written a TV pilot that is featuring older women that is like a little bit about getting your groove back after a major life melting down moment. Still polishing it up. I mean, it's done. I just need to, like, do more notes on it or whatever. And I put it on the back burner for a minute. But please don't anybody steal my idea. I mean, it's. There's no idea. I've not explained anything specifically, but I would love to do that. I don't know if that's the kind of thing that they're like, buying for tv. I mean, maybe they are. I mean, Gracie and Frankie was on for a long time. Like, there's a lot of TV happening. I'm just.
- [91:36]
Millie de Chericho
I'm.
- [91:37]
Kara Klenk
I like, really love tv. I think my thing with movies is it's so hard to get so much information out in those 90 to 120 minutes or whatever. Whereas with TV, it's like these characters can, like, grow and develop over time. I think I really admire that about movie writers. Like, I'm like, wow, how did you get us here with this character by page 30, that we know so much about them and you didn't just give us a book report about them? You know what I mean? I think that's really.
- [92:05]
Casey O'Brien
No, totally. I think, like, I think that's actually why I sometimes have a hard time with tv. Because I'm like, oh, my God, this is so slow.
- [92:12]
Kara Klenk
Yeah.
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Casey O'Brien
Like, I need, like, it can feel like I'm not getting the information out quickly enough sometimes. But that's just my own personal issue.
- [92:22]
Kara Klenk
Absolutely.
- [92:23]
Millie de Chericho
Cara, I'd like to ask you this really quick just because I want. I love this topic. I love this area of expertise, obviously. So, okay. When I was thinking about, like, what are my favorite later in life romance type of films? Right. I'm curious what you think about this, because my girl is Barbra Streisand. Because I was obsessed with that movie, the Prince of Tides.
- [92:49]
Kara Klenk
Oh, God.
- [92:51]
Millie de Chericho
And I watched it when I was younger because I. And I. For some reason, I projected all of this, like, middle aged fantasy, like, life on that movie. It was like, oh, my God, I'm gonna be a psychiatrist one day and I'm gonna go to a lake house with my boyfriend. You know, Like, I was like, I really thought I was gonna.
- [93:08]
Kara Klenk
And he's gonna have some trauma to unpack. Yeah, yeah.
- [93:11]
Millie de Chericho
And we're gonna have like, you know, we're gonna be in like white sweaters and talk about his pain and everything. And it was like, I just. And to this day, I fucking love that shit. Like, I'm like, I. I love the Mirror has Two Faces.
- [93:23]
Kara Klenk
The Mirror has Two Faces. I was gonna say I mean, classic.
- [93:27]
Millie de Chericho
I know. And so. But the craziest thing is that I think about all this now and I'm like, they had to have only been like 40 maybe.
- [93:34]
Kara Klenk
Exactly, exactly.
- [93:35]
Millie de Chericho
In this movies. So do you make a distinction between. Because there's obviously like the 80 for Brady, the really like the post 60s, 65. And then there's this like middle ground where I think Hollywood has told us, us movies about 40 year olds are later in life romances. So I'm just curious your thoughts about this.
- [93:55]
Kara Klenk
Well, that's okay. So I think we have to differentiate between the later in life like gal pal thing, which I do, which I do kind of put book club in because there are romances in them, but they're not the main point of them. Whereas, like, something's got to give, or it's complicated or the mirror has two Faces, I would say is like the point is the romance, quote, unquote, later in life. I don't remember. I'm literally on the Wikipedia trying to figure out how old Diane Keaton's character is supposed to be in that. Oh, she's 56 and the main guy is 63. So I feel like.
- [94:35]
Casey O'Brien
I'm sorry, what movie are you talking about?
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Kara Klenk
I'm talking about Something's Gotta Give. Yeah, okay, okay, sorry. So in Something's Gotta Give, that's like such a classic for me too because it's like, like it's like they're, they're commenting on it also. Like, you know, she dates Keanu Reeves. Her daughter is like in the mix and is kind of the age of like the, the typically Amanda Pete is her daughter in it. They typically more young, hot movie star type of gal. Um, and so I think there's a little bit of a difference. Just because 80 for Brady, it's so there's, so there's so many age jokes. It's like kind of more about them being older. Whereas I would say something's got the Nancy Myers movies kind of like don't make age the main thing. Like, I think they make those women seem sexy to me. I don't know. Like they make them seem like, oh, of course this guy should want to get with her. They're perfect together. Like, you know, like. So I don't know. I guess there is a differentiation, but it is. But I think that's a thing of. Do you think that's a thing of the fact that we just allow certain actresses like Mary Steenburgen, Diane Keaton, Jane Fonda, they have like passports because they're Just so famous and they are like still so, like, you know, conventionally beautiful that we're just allowed, like, we're just allowing that to be a thing. Whereas back in the day, I don't know, are we, have we become more progressive with that? Like Back in The mirror has two faces time. You're right. It's like 40, not married, right? Oh my God. Have you looked into assisted living? You know?
- [96:15]
Millie de Chericho
Yeah, yeah, yeah. And then there's actresses too. I think now these days where people that are kind of hovering in that something's gotta give age, like Diane Lane or like Nicole Kidman who are still playing, like when they're in romances, they're not old people. Like, they're just like, you know, oh, it's like baby girl, she can be a baby girl. You know what I mean? And I'm like, that's crazy because back in my day, like again with like the Barbra Streisands and the Diane Keaton's, it's like if you were post 40, then you were a middle aged person and like you had. It was like you were a middle aged person wearing white sweaters, right? You were not sexy office siren types. I don't know.
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Kara Klenk
But it's, I mean, like, I don't know. To me the whole world has moved like that because when I was a kid, when I was growing up, moms had short haircuts, they wore big sweatshirts and sweaters and ugly jeans. And that was that. Right? Like there were like not hot moms when I was growing up. And now it's like I am a mom and I see hot moms everywhere I go. Like everybody. Like, so now I see people in their 50s and 60s that look hot as hell. So I, I wonder if that's just like the culture as well or that we've sort of just moms have decided to demomify themselves a little bit. And I don't know, you know, but. But I think we're seeing it in movies for sure. Because. Absolutely. Nicole Kidman, for the age that she is, that that movie wasn't about like, oh, wow, that movie was about them. You know, that movie was like she wanted to get it and she wasn't getting it, so she went and found it.
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Millie de Chericho
You know, it's crazy too, I think as a. A. Oh. Because I'm in my late 40s, right, and I'm like, okay, well how do I, how is it supposed to be now? Because it's like I was, I grew up thinking that 40 was old and that Everyone had short hair and everybody was, you know, dowdy mom types. And then. But then now the culture has moved so forward that, like, if you're 50 something, you're like a MILF. But I'm not either of those things. Like, where is the middle ground? And then how is that reflected in movies? Because I'm just like. It feels like so much of one or the other. And so I'm just, you know, it's kind of.
- [98:34]
Casey O'Brien
Even when we saw. When we talked about how Stella got her groove back, you know, she's like, looks amazing and. But she's like in her 40s and she's treated as like an old, old woman, and she starts dating a younger man, and everyone's like, you pervert. Like, how dare you, like, you know, date a young man? That's disgusting that you have sex, you know, but that was just like, even, like, what, 20 years ago?
- [98:58]
Kara Klenk
But I think it's like. I think it's stuff like, honestly, I think it's the Housewives. And I have, like, honestly, Bravo has brought, like, a lot of women of a certain age into prominence where they're. They're wealthy, they're most of the time getting divorced. They're, you know, they're older, they have, like, grown children. And it's kind of about the second chapter of their lives. We got like. I mean, Jennifer Lopez had that movie called Second act, which I actually thought might be in my wheelhouse, but I don't think I ever saw it. I think we're basically. People are pushing back against the whole Stella got her groove back, being 40, you know, like, so many people are, like, getting married for the first time at 40. Fertility has moved back. People are having babies at 45 and 50, you know, so, like, everything's kind of pushed, it feels like. And yeah, I don't know, I hope that we still are going to allow for mature, neurotic women to, oh, find love. What do I have to go on a dating site? Like, I love it. I'm obsessed.
- [99:59]
Millie de Chericho
I swear to God. Like, when I. When I was like, in high school and stuff, like, in college, even the only, like, the dream of finding love for post 40 felt to me like you could only do it in the country. Like the bridge, the bridges of Madison county, or like, even, like, Alice doesn't live here anymore, where it's basically like you have to start over in a small, dusty Texas town, and then you find your Christmas and there's only one
- [100:25]
Kara Klenk
guy there, only one guy is single and.
- [100:27]
Millie de Chericho
Or like a Robert Duvall type who like drives a truck and he's like polite country guy. And that's how you found romance? Yeah, that's really like in my brain. That's how I grew up thinking. I was like, okay, I'm just going to have to move to some fudgeing rural town and maybe, but like be married truly.
- [100:43]
Kara Klenk
Like 50 year olds, 60 year olds, like all kinds of people are out there dating, doing, doing like everyone's because of, I mean also online dating. Being able to find people specifically like in your age group group or within your interest or in your area. Like, I don't know. I think that's, that's changed the whole. I feel like it's good. I think the whole spinster thing, at least for women, is kind of on its way out the door.
- [101:06]
Millie de Chericho
Yeah, totally.
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Kara Klenk
And that's what I liked about these movies too. It's like these women would have been okay without the romance. Like they were actually fine without the romance. They were doing great. They had grown children and great careers, great houses, swishy wardrobes of Eileen Fisher. And it just so happens that like someone comes in and spices things up or like It's Complicated is another funny one of mine that I like where. I don't know if you guys have seen that one. It's like Meryl Streep is kind of having an affair with Alec Baldwin, her ex husband, while she's dating Steve Martin. So then it's like, do I go with this sexy rekindling that we're doing in secret, or do I go with this guy who I actually like, really get along with and connect with? Sometimes I think, think later in life romances are about. Do I want to enter into that whole thing after I've had the heartbreak of divorce and my family, even though divorce doesn't have to always end in heartbreak, but in some of these cases, like, you know, feeling like, quote unquote, your family, you know, broke that. Do I want to enter into that again? I, I just love it. I love all the commentary. I think it's so much more fun to watch a movie like this than Love Island. Like, I do not care. My husband and I call that whole genre Life. And I just, we do not about fuck life. Like, I don't really care about watching young people hook up and meet each other and date. I just don't like. I, I would so much rather watch the Golden Bachelor if, you know, my friend is actually the showrunner of the last Golden Bachelor. But the guy was, I think, kind of a dick. So that's why I didn't watch it. But I. That's like.
- [102:37]
Casey O'Brien
Yeah. I think that one kind of went off the rails a little bit, so.
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Kara Klenk
Because the guy.
- [102:40]
Casey O'Brien
Yeah.
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Kara Klenk
But like. Yeah, I would rather watch that a thousand times over people that have experience and try to see them how to like blend their lives together than someone that. That's like. I'm got out of school two years ago. I'm a vet tech and I'm really ready for marriage. Like, I mean, the divorce rate in this country. Are you kidding? I don't think anyone should be allowed to get married until they're 32.
- [103:00]
Millie de Chericho
Like, truly.
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Kara Klenk
Like, I don't totally. I just think it's like crazy that people. No, this is no shade. If you got married at like 20 and you're still with your love of your life.
- [103:09]
Millie de Chericho
Wonderful.
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Kara Klenk
I'm so glad when that happens. My in laws got married at 17 and 22.
- [103:15]
Millie de Chericho
Okay.
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Kara Klenk
And they are so in love and such a great couple.
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Millie de Chericho
Wonderful.
- [103:19]
Kara Klenk
That happened to work out. That's the exception, not the rule. I say that's really weird, you know, Like, I think it's like you just don't know who you are. And I'd rather watch people know who super know who they are and maybe they're trying to even change in an old age. Give it to me. Come on.
- [103:34]
Casey O'Brien
I think, I think there's a lot. I hear what you're saying on that, but I think that there's like. For these. These types of movies kind of like make my heart hurt a little bit because I worry about these like old people getting their heart. Or it's like, it seems like there's more at stake when you get your heart broken at that age for reason because there's not as many chances to like start over again. Or maybe this was like your last in the world of the movie anyway.
- [103:57]
Millie de Chericho
Yeah.
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Casey O'Brien
But like the last chance.
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Kara Klenk
So to use my Bible, Something's got to give again to go back to the original text, if you will. And something's got to give. He. They break up and there's this like great montage of Diane Keaton just like scream crying on every beach in the Hamptons, like, and in her house. And she's writing and. And like you are so sad for her. And like she's listening to Earth a Kit and just going like, it's so funny. But she also writes another great play. Like she. A great play comes out of it. Like, I think it's because I hear what you're saying because anytime there's like an up situation. Like the man from the beginning of Up.
- [104:39]
Casey O'Brien
Yes.
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Kara Klenk
That's so sad for me. Like when your spouse was like, your whole world and they, like, die or something. Hap. Whatever. That's so sad to me. I think it's because these women have such fully fleshed out lives that this isn't the only thing that I'm always like, also, you kind of know that something's gonna work out because it's a fucking Nancy Myers movie. But, like, you know what I'm saying? Like, I don't. I was like, by the time they do get back together. Spoiler alert. If you haven't seen the movie, by the time they do get back together, maybe at the end of the movie, you're like, she's fine.
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Millie de Chericho
Fine.
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Kara Klenk
She's gotten over it. She's fine. You know?
- [105:15]
Casey O'Brien
Yeah, no, that's a good point. That they have this, like, whole full life.
- [105:19]
Kara Klenk
Yes. If it's like, oh, my God. There's some movie that's called Bye Bye Love. Have you guys seen that movie?
- [105:28]
Millie de Chericho
Oh, that sounds really familiar.
- [105:29]
Kara Klenk
I think it's like, Matthew Modi, Patrick Dempsey, maybe. I don't know. It's like, it's this old movie. And I just remember that there's a
- [105:36]
Millie de Chericho
character
- [105:39]
Kara Klenk
and there's like, a guy that, like, works at a McDonald's. He's an old man, and he goes home to, like, a single room apartment and, like, kisses a picture of his wife good night. And I just remember being like, that is the saddest thing I've ever seen in my life. Like, I know that was too sad. Like, I can't watch that man get his heart broken. Do you know what I mean? I know what you're saying.
- [105:58]
Casey O'Brien
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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Kara Klenk
I know I'm bringing up the most random scene of a movie, but that, like, imprinted on me this. I think that the two of the main characters meet for custody, drop off at this McDonald's, and this old man works there, and they go into his life a little bit, and you're like, oh, no, that's too sad. Like, I. I can't. I get it. Like, that makes me so, so sad. But again, I don't even know if I like the movies where it's a man later in life finding love. It's specifically, I like the women.
- [106:27]
Millie de Chericho
Yeah, I. I think I'm with you. I don't.
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Casey O'Brien
Yeah, I can't.
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Millie de Chericho
I don't even know if I can think of that.
- [106:31]
Kara Klenk
Rude.
- [106:32]
Millie de Chericho
I know.
- [106:32]
Casey O'Brien
I'm having a hard time.
- [106:33]
Kara Klenk
Like, what's like an Example of. Of one of those.
- [106:36]
Millie de Chericho
Oh, of a pie finding.
- [106:38]
Kara Klenk
But, I mean, you brought up Bridges of Madison County. I mean, I obviously don't think that's a rom com, but that movie was. Kara.
- [106:44]
Casey O'Brien
I just wanted to touch upon this because just you bringing up Bye Bye Love reminded me of this. There's a term that you use on the. On that's messed up a lot called the Clank family classic. Can you explain what that is? And what does it take to get into that, like, collection of films?
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Kara Klenk
I mean, what does it take to become a Clank family classic? I'll tell you right now. Here's what has to Parents have to pay for. Just hbo. Not Cinemax, not Showtime Cinemax. We had to press the ab button on our cable to try to unscramble it when it was Skinx late at night just to see if we could see a nipple. But HBO we had for a while. And I don't know if there's any, you know, gen zers that are listening, but, you know, you couldn't. You just had to watch what came on hbo. It was just a channel, so any movie that, like, would come. We were not allowed to watch TV during the week, so weekends were, like, upset. Like, that's why I let my kids watch TV now, because I don't want them to become as obsessed with TV as I was, because I wasn't allowed to have it. So I let them have a little bit more screen time than I was allowed. But so Saturdays, I mean, we would just, like, watch whatever was on hbo. And a lot of times the programming
- [107:55]
Millie de Chericho
was, like, the same.
- [107:56]
Kara Klenk
So some movie would just come up, like, over and over. So for example, I would say the number one Clank family classic is the movie My Blue Heaven. That is our big Clank family classic.
- [108:06]
Millie de Chericho
Really?
- [108:06]
Casey O'Brien
That's just.
- [108:07]
Kara Klenk
We love that movie. Like, we love. We watched it so much, we would rent it, we would catch it on hbo. But then, like, just one of the guys. The movie where the. Where a girl goes to a new high school, pretends to be a boy so she can get into a better journalism program. Okay, that's a Clank family classic. Silence of the Lambs is a Clank family classic. I hate to say it. Like, we literally quote Silence of the Lambs at the dinner table. It's disgusting. Like, we'll be like. I mean, it's bad.
- [108:38]
Casey O'Brien
What's the one with. You mentioned, one that I always think of with Kirstie Alley and John Larroquette. John Larroquette.
- [108:45]
Millie de Chericho
What's the Name of the last house.
- [108:46]
Kara Klenk
It's called Madhouse, I believe.
- [108:48]
Millie de Chericho
Oh, my God. We did it on. I saw what you did. Because Danielle also is obsessed with that movie. And I think probably for the same reason. It was just like on TV and stuff.
- [108:59]
Kara Klenk
It was on tv. We watched it all the time. And it was the most batshit crazy movie. Like, I remember in the movie. This one of the. It's one of those movies. It's one of these movies where the guests come to town and everything bad that can happen can happen. And one of the things that bad that happens is that one of the relatives has to be on bed rest because she's pregnant and she has to be like, on bed rest in one of their. In like their master bedroom. Basically their primary bedroom. Excuse me. For like, for like a month. Like, she can't leave for a month. And she says that she's thinking about baby names and one of them is. She's thinking of is Tribling, which is the name of a concentration camp. So I like. I just like the things that these movies have just like embedded into the back of my mind. And it's. I think it's called Madhouse and. Yeah, but it's so funny because you mentioned how you, when you saw Prince of Tides, you thought that was going to be your life. Speaking of Kirsty Alley, look who's talking. Huge Clank family classic.
- [109:56]
Millie de Chericho
Huge. That's such a good.
- [109:58]
Kara Klenk
That movie made me want to be a single mom. I was like, oh, baby, I just want to have a baby. I don't want one of these men lying, like, running around. Like, if you could tell back then, even then, I was, like, not attracted to John Travolta. I was like, no, thanks. Like, I want. I was like, I just love that it's her and the baby. That would be so fun. Cut to me having a very capable, wonderful husband. But, you know, my dream was to not have that.
- [110:25]
Casey O'Brien
It is funny with these. These clink family classics. There are movies that line, like, it's like this category of movie that I. I would say not Silence of the Lambs, but like Mad House and like My Blue Heaven. It's like people don't really know them,
- [110:37]
Kara Klenk
talk about those movies or know them random cable movies. I mean, like, they all came out in theaters, but, like, they're just like, I don't even know the. To me, it's like they're kind of the equivalent of like what is now airplane movies, which is what the. Like to bring it full circle is like what the Fantastic Four is like, that's a lot of famous actresses. But I think they looked at that
- [110:58]
Casey O'Brien
and they were like, is that what it's called?
- [111:00]
Kara Klenk
The Fantasy Fabulous Four? The Fabulous Four, maybe with the, the Malali Midler Sarandon vehicle. Like, I think they made that movie and they were like, yeah, this could get a theatrical release and people would go see it, but like, it's not good. Let's just put it on Delta, you know, like, so that's the, that's I guess the equivalent. But yeah, the Clank Family classics. My family, like, loves movies. We love quoting movies. And it would just be movies that we just saw over and over and randomly. A movie will just come into my head and I'll be like, oh, my God. And like, you know, I'll ask my co host of that podcast, like. Or Casey even be like, have you even heard of this movie? And it's like, I guess if you weren't watching HBO in like 1991, you
- [111:46]
Casey O'Brien
don't know what I'm talking about, you
- [111:48]
Millie de Chericho
know, but my God. Oh my God, that's awesome.
- [111:51]
Casey O'Brien
Millie, did you have anything you also. We wanted to touch upon?
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Millie de Chericho
I mean, no, I can honestly talk about Clank Family classics forever because I feel like we, we probably grew up in the same era, same situation. Yeah, my dad, like, would get hbo. He loved it when it was free. Do you remember when you would have free weekends?
- [112:08]
Kara Klenk
Remember sweeps? You would be like, it sweeps. We get a week of free hbo. Oh my God, yes.
- [112:14]
Millie de Chericho
Free HBO week was so fucking great. And then my dad would be inspired to like pay for it one month and then he would cancel it. He was, he was like one of those, like, now people do that all the time with Netflix. They're just churning out of it constantly. My dad was like that. Real early days with hbo.
- [112:28]
Kara Klenk
I love that my dad was anti.
- [112:30]
Millie de Chericho
Aol.
- [112:31]
Kara Klenk
Would not stand for aol.
- [112:33]
Millie de Chericho
Yeah.
- [112:33]
Kara Klenk
Wouldn't let us do it. I'd be like, I need to get on aim. And he'd be like, we're not doing it so interesting.
- [112:40]
Millie de Chericho
But I totally, I totally love it. And I, and I do like love your area of expertise too. Like I said, I just feel like it's, it's, it is like this little micro genre that fascinates me. And it fascinates me now as like a middle quote unquote, middle aged woman where I'm just like, yeah, I want to know, like, what this is going to be like. What are, what are the, you know, what's life going to be when I'M like, you know, 70 years old. Am I going to be worn down by, like, my old grumpy neighbor? And, like, you know, are we going to fall in love?
- [113:10]
Kara Klenk
It gives me hope. Like, I feel like. So, you know, I have this other podcast called who's the Bitch? That's like an advice. It's kind of like an am I the asshole? Style advice podcast. And I think because, you know, of algorithms, I'm now in a lot of my social media getting a lot of these, like, dear Wendy and like, dear Carolyn hacks, like those. And I. I see a lot of them that are like, I'm 56. My partner and I, like, have been dating for a year, like, or I'm in my 60s, and we just got together after we're both divorced. I mean, there's a lot of questions about that. And so I do really think, like, my mom has a friend who is no longer married. And I'm like, you're so pretty. You're a talented artist. You're a extremely smart woman. And she's just been like, nope, it's closed. And I'm like, that's so sad. That's sadder to me. I don't know what's sadder that. Or old man and bye bye Love kissing his wife goodbye before his next shift at McDonald's. But I just think, like, life is long. We have room for multiple acts, you know?
- [114:15]
Casey O'Brien
Yeah, yeah.
- [114:16]
Kara Klenk
I'm already planning what my next husband's going to be like, thinking about it,
- [114:22]
Casey O'Brien
you know, there's just so many possibilities, so many possibilities.
- [114:25]
Kara Klenk
I could really go different. I mean, the man I married is like. He's like nobody I ever dated or was with before. So really anything could happen in Act 2. But, yeah, I love these movies. And I think people, like, I think it's cool that they've also found an audience because chick flicks already are their own thing that people discount. And then there's women of a certain age that people will discount. So I feel like for a movie like these movies to actually get into the consciousness where a lot of people have seen them and they get wide releases and stuff is a feat, you know? And I hope it keeps up because I'll be there. Wait, I need to say something. I just found another Diane Keaton movie called and so it goes from 2014.
- [115:11]
Millie de Chericho
God.
- [115:11]
Casey O'Brien
Well, I actually, I put together a list of her last four movies because the last before she died, she did a movie called Summer Camp, which I'd never heard of. She did a movie called Arthur's Whiskey. And then she did a movie called maybe I Do.
- [115:26]
Kara Klenk
Okay, so maybe I Do is such a piece of garbage. Like I could not. Obviously it lured me in.
- [115:37]
Millie de Chericho
It's her.
- [115:38]
Kara Klenk
And isn't it Alec Baldwin or.
- [115:40]
Millie de Chericho
Or.
- [115:40]
Kara Klenk
No, John Krasinski is in it, I believe or. No, no, it's not John Krasinski. No, no, hold on. I. I have to. Look, I cannot have people think that I don't know what it's. Yeah, it's Emma. Emma Roberts. Okay.
- [115:51]
Casey O'Brien
Bracey. I don't know who that is.
- [115:54]
Kara Klenk
It's Luke Bracey who is like a Glenn Powell off brand, generic Glen Powell. It's not, it's not Alec Baldwin. I'm sorry. It's Gear. It's Richard Gear. So it's like, it's like basically these two get together and their parent, they're about to get married or they're engaged. Their parents have never met.
- [116:14]
Millie de Chericho
Right.
- [116:14]
Kara Klenk
That's how life works. And they, the parents all like used to be married to each other or date each other basically. Like there's all this crisscross and Bill Macy's in it and Susan Sarandon. And I was like, this is right up my fucking alley. It's like a double later in life romance and then a younger romance in it. I had to. I think I had to turn it off. I talked about it on that's messed up. I think I had to turn it off. I was like, this is so badly written, badly acted with these actors. It was like, wow. And you could tell tell that they're all trying to capitalize on the vaguely named later in life romance fans. I think they know that we are women. We are women who spend. We are women that you can advertise to whatever. And I have no money. I'm just saying that's who likes these kind of movies. And maybe I do. And so it goes. What are you talking about? What does that tell me about the movie? Like these titles are so hilarious. But maybe I do was damn so bad. I think I need to get in here and start writing some of these movies.
- [117:19]
Casey O'Brien
I was going to say someone needs to hire you. Like help punch up scripts or write scripts or approve scripts. I just think you need to be in the. You need to be in the mix.
- [117:28]
Kara Klenk
I love Punch Up. Like I love Punch Up.
- [117:30]
Millie de Chericho
I'm not.
- [117:31]
Kara Klenk
I'm not. What I'm trying to get better at is actual scripting and the, the outlining and the plotting. And you know, you have to have the dark night of the soul here and you have to have this here. And I'm always like, I don't want to do. But going through something that's already written and has a pretty good structure and going, this is where this could be a lot funnier. I would love it. Hollywood, call me.
- [117:52]
Casey O'Brien
I mean, because this is great.
- [117:54]
Kara Klenk
I watch these movies and I'm like, there's such an opportunity for better jokes. And I think sometimes people think that the audience isn't going to, like, get good jokes. And I'm like, I do think that they will, you know?
- [118:07]
Casey O'Brien
Absolutely.
- [118:07]
Kara Klenk
I'm not trying to put, like Broad City style jokes in here. Although I did do punch up for Broad City. Let me add it. Let me at this fucking movies. I want it. Yeah, I'm. I'm googling. Even Mamma Mia. Loved it. I loved it. Meryl. Meryl Streep. I mean, come on. She's a queen of this genre as well.
- [118:26]
Casey O'Brien
Yeah. I feel like people forget because she's like an Academy Award, you know, she's so esteemed.
- [118:32]
Kara Klenk
I don't forget. I never forget that.
- [118:36]
Casey O'Brien
Well, thank you so much, Cara. This is wonderful. Was there anything you wanted to plug besides your two fabulous.
- [118:42]
Kara Klenk
My podcast, if you like SVU or you just want to hear who's the. Is really fun because it's just kind of like. It's like. It's like normal gossip kind of. And am I. Am I the. Because it's. People call in and they tell us these, like, crazy situations they're going through, and they're like, is it. Am I being the. Are they being the. And we tell them what we think, you know, and it's fun.
- [119:04]
Casey O'Brien
Are you still drinking buzz balls on?
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Kara Klenk
We drink buzz balls when we. When we do live streams.
- [119:08]
Casey O'Brien
Okay.
- [119:09]
Kara Klenk
When we do live streams. I mean, you know, we record two episodes at once, and it would be tough to just be chugging buzz balls. I think every other episode would be really fucked. But yes, we love buzz balls. That's kind of one of our signature things. We wear these crazy cal. We're on YouTube now, actually. I'll plug that. All of our episodes are on YouTube. You can watch. Watch us. If you prefer to get your podcasts with visuals, we're there.
- [119:30]
Millie de Chericho
Yeah.
- [119:31]
Casey O'Brien
Very good. Well, thank you so much, Cara. This was wonderful.
- [119:34]
Kara Klenk
Thank you for having me, you guys. You're the best.
- [119:46]
Casey O'Brien
All right. That was great talking to Cara. Love Cara. She was a lot of fun.
- [119:51]
Millie de Chericho
Love her. So fun.
- [119:53]
Casey O'Brien
I really enjoy her and I'm glad that she was willing to come on the podcast to talk about her passion for later in life romance movies. All right, it's employees pick time. Film recommendations based on the theme of the discussion. Millie, what do you got?
- [120:12]
Millie de Chericho
I feel like this is maybe a fairly obvious choice. I kind of brought it up already, actually, in the intro. But my employee pick for this week is Mad Fury Road from 2015. I mean, you got a punk rock babe driving a tank through a desert with a water shortage and some anthropomorphized
- [120:35]
Casey O'Brien
weird fuckers missing arms, too.
- [120:39]
Millie de Chericho
Yeah, missing arms. Yeah. There's also like enslaved sex workers. So there we go. It's the same movie.
- [120:50]
Casey O'Brien
Come on. Movie. It is. It is interesting. She's driving like a tank, huh? Yeah, I didn't put that together.
- [120:58]
Millie de Chericho
I will say Furiosa, not quite as extroverted as Tank Girl.
- [121:06]
Casey O'Brien
She doesn't quite have the light in her heart that Tank Girl does. She's not as funny.
- [121:13]
Millie de Chericho
Can you imagine the free will and Furiosa bringing mirth and humor to the horrid, arid, post apocalyptic deserts?
- [121:27]
Casey O'Brien
She's not really yucking it up out there. She's not singing Cole Porter songs in,
- [121:35]
Millie de Chericho
you know,
- [121:39]
Casey O'Brien
so my movie, I don't know, I had kind of a hard time thinking about exactly what type of movie to recommend here. And I'm going with another kind of like futuristic sort of silly movie called Johnny Mnemonic, which I Love from 1995 as well. And you know what? Ice T is also in this movie, and he's also a part of like a renegade terrorist cell kind of that is like trying to take down a big corporation. Sort of a similar. Similar character. Yeah, he's. It's in this group called Low Tech. They're trying to take down, you know, some cyber corporation. But it's fun. There's. There's a lot of silliness. Keanu's great and. Oh, good lord.
- [122:25]
Millie de Chericho
Top. Top three, hottest. Keanu? Really?
- [122:28]
Casey O'Brien
Johnny?
- [122:29]
Millie de Chericho
Oh, hell yeah. Yeah, so hot mnemonic. He kind of like. If you look at some of the. I was like Hudson Williams, for all they been saying about this Point Break remake with him and Connor story. I'm like, he actually could. He looks like Keanu and Johnny and Monica.
- [122:46]
Casey O'Brien
Oh, I see. That's perfect. That's excellent. I hadn't heard this.
- [122:50]
Millie de Chericho
What? You haven't heard the like.
- [122:53]
Casey O'Brien
I'm not on the memes as much as you other heated rivalry freaks.
- [122:57]
Millie de Chericho
Listen, I am not a freak. I wouldn't consider myself a freak. I am just on Tik Tok all day, every day. And people are like, they should do a point break Remake with Connor Story and Hudson Williams, because don't they look like Patrick Swayze and, you know, Keanu Reeves? I'm like, listen, write it up. What the fuck are we waiting for?
- [123:17]
Casey O'Brien
They just did a stupid Point Break remake. Just do it.
- [123:21]
Millie de Chericho
I know. We. We did it on my show.
- [123:23]
Casey O'Brien
Oh, that's right. That was before my time.
- [123:25]
Millie de Chericho
I think maybe God, for. I swear to God, for as much as I love Danny, we made each other watch the shittiest movies sometimes. Oh, my God.
- [123:36]
Casey O'Brien
That's what real friendship is.
- [123:38]
Millie de Chericho
It is, it is. But I'm glad you picked it. Now I gotta re watch it. I haven't seen it in. Since 95 probably.
- [123:45]
Casey O'Brien
So what's the worst movie I made you watch?
- [123:50]
Millie de Chericho
I mean, it's very Early Days from this podcast. It could be. I mean, if I say Garden State, is it gonna kill you?
- [124:01]
Casey O'Brien
That was the one that first popped in my little brain as well. Yeah, I would say. I would say that. I think you were sort of confounded that I made you watch heavyweights too.
- [124:15]
Millie de Chericho
Well, you know, I don't know. It's. I don't want to steal your joy. At the same time, I mean, I'm trying to think of what's the shittiest or most horrible movie they made you watch. Was it like Manila and the Claws of Light or something?
- [124:29]
Casey O'Brien
I don't know. Like, that ruined my day the most, I would say.
- [124:33]
Millie de Chericho
That's what I mean. Like, I don't know. What was. What's the shittiest movie I made you watch?
- [124:37]
Casey O'Brien
What's the shittiest? I mean, it might be Space Jam, even though I love it, obviously. Huh.
- [124:47]
Millie de Chericho
I think we both took the L on. Is this thing on? I think we both hated each other.
- [124:51]
Casey O'Brien
I like that movie. I would say a hundred times more than you liked that movie. Oh, God.
- [124:56]
Millie de Chericho
Okay. You know.
- [124:58]
Casey O'Brien
You know what? We didn't make anyone make. I. Maybe I made you watch Jurassic World Rebirth. That was a tough one.
- [125:05]
Millie de Chericho
Okay, that was bad. I forgot we did that.
- [125:10]
Casey O'Brien
But yeah, there's early days. We've got a lot of pain in our future. I would say come and See was a tough one.
- [125:17]
Millie de Chericho
Oh, what are we even talking about? We should have remembered that. That. That was. We were really, really trying to hurt each other.
- [125:27]
Casey O'Brien
That was painful. Yeah.
- [125:28]
Millie de Chericho
Oh, my God. Oh, boy. Anyways, that's the show.
- [125:33]
Casey O'Brien
That's it. That's. That's the show. If you'd like to write in for film advice, if you have a gripe, a grope or grit, a consensual grope, that is. Please write into dear movies@exactly right media.com youm can also leave a voicemail. Just record a voicemail on your Facebook phone and then send it to the same email address. Dear moviesexactlyrightmedia.com Absolutely.
- [125:57]
Millie de Chericho
Also, if you want to follow us on social media, we are at dearMovies I love you on Instagram and Facebook. Our letterboxd handles are Acle O' Brien and MDecherico. And listen to this podcast, Dear Movies, I Love youe on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts. Rate and review the show. We would love to it. Help us out. Tell a friend. Tell a friend. That would be amazing if he did that.
- [126:25]
Casey O'Brien
Tell a crush. Tell a crush about this podcast and then they'll listen to it and they will be more sexually attracted to you because you suggested them this podcast.
- [126:35]
Millie de Chericho
Or alternately, tell your kids. We just realized one of my friends sons, his name is Sully, He's a
- [126:42]
Casey O'Brien
big fan of Sully.
- [126:43]
Millie de Chericho
Yeah, he's a big fan of the podcast. So I would force your children to listen to our podcast even if it's, you know, we're cussing and talking about crazy stuff.
- [126:51]
Casey O'Brien
Yeah. And if you're pregnant, in utero is a great time to get the kids really into a podcast. Put the speaker right up to your tummy and it will really get them going when they enter the real world, you know.
- [127:04]
Millie de Chericho
Oh, absolutely.
- [127:06]
Casey O'Brien
Millie, Next week I'm sort of surprising this on you, but we talked about this before. But we're talking about a movie also from the 90s.
- [127:16]
Millie de Chericho
90s.
- [127:18]
Casey O'Brien
Office killer from 1997. Cindy Sherman's only movie, the Artist. Cindy Sherman. Have you seen this movie?
- [127:26]
Millie de Chericho
Never.
- [127:28]
Casey O'Brien
It was just released on Vinegar Syndrome.
- [127:31]
Millie de Chericho
Okay.
- [127:32]
Casey O'Brien
So I thought it was a fun time to talk about it. I thought it was a fun time to talk about office culture movies and office culture in general.
- [127:41]
Millie de Chericho
Great.
- [127:42]
Casey O'Brien
Which is a thing that seems like it's disappointing appearing more and more. So. Yeah, we're going to be talking about Office Killer next week.
- [127:51]
Millie de Chericho
Very exciting. Very exciting. So, well, that's it. That's it. Had a great time. Also very happy that we don't have to take dirt showers.
- [128:04]
Casey O'Brien
Me too.
- [128:07]
Millie de Chericho
I would. I would hate a dirt shower. So, yeah.
- [128:12]
Casey O'Brien
Anyway, that's all.
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Kara Klenk
Bye.
- [128:15]
Casey O'Brien
Bye.
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Millie de Chericho
Bye. This has been an exactly right production, hosted by me, Millie de Chericho, and produced by my co host, Casey o'. Brien.
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Casey O'Brien
This episode was mixed by Tom Bryfogel. Our associate producer is Christina Chamberlain. Our guest booker is Patrick Cotner and our artwork is by Vanessa Lilac Art.
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Millie de Chericho
Our incredible theme music is by the best band in the entire world, the Softies.
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Casey O'Brien
Thank you to our executive producers Karen Kilgariff, Georgia Hardstark, Daniel Kramer and Millie Di Cherico. We love you.
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Kara Klenk
Goodbye.
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Millie de Chericho
Be kind. Grew.
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Kara Klenk
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Casey O'Brien
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Millie de Chericho
We all get distracted when we drive,
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Casey O'Brien
whether it's from our phones or kids
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Millie de Chericho
in the backseat bickering.
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Casey O'Brien
But how we handle these distractions can be a matter of life or death. Before you get on the road for
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Millie de Chericho
your next road trip, please put your
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Casey O'Brien
phones on silent and take a mental
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Millie de Chericho
note to focus on driving. Paid for by NHTSA.