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This episode was originally released January 26th for Death Panel patrons and is being unlocked today for the first time. To support the show and help make episodes like this one possible, become a patron at www.patreon.com/deathpanelpod In the shadow of the federal occupation of Minneapolis and a year of catastrophic expansion of the carceral state, Beatrice speaks with Ruth Wilson Gilmore and Craig Gilmore about their concept of “the anti-state state,” the process of the state’s transition from supporting social welfare to policing its provision, and why abolition is the only way. For further discussion of fascism and the anti-state state we recommend this week's patron episode with Alberto Toscano, which was directly spurred on by this episode with Ruthie and Craig. Link here: https://www.patreon.com/posts/late-fascism-w-150947880 Find Ruth WIlson Gilmore's book Abolition Geography here: https://bookshop.org/a/118130/9781839761713 Transcript: https://www.deathpanel.net/transcripts/anti-state-state-rwg Show links: We're testing out a new Bookshop.org page (still under construction), where you can find books by past guests and book recommendations from the hosts. Find it here: bookshop.org/shop/deathpanel Get Health Communism here: bookshop.org/a/118130/9781839765179 Find Tracy's book Abolish Rent here: bookshop.org/a/118130/9798888902523 Find Jules' latest book, A Short History of Trans Misogyny, here: bookshop.org/a/118130/9781804291603 Interstitial music by Artie Outro by Time Wharp: timewharp.bandcamp.com/track/tezeta

Subscribe on Patreon and hear this week's full patron-exclusive episode here: https://www.patreon.com/posts/150947880 Beatrice speaks with Alberto Toscano about what characteristics second Trump term fascism shares—and doesn’t share—with prior historic formations of fascism, the driving concepts behind Make America Healthy Again that we at Death Panel have been calling “health fascism,” and Alberto’s 2023 book, Late Fascism: Race, Capitalism and the Politics of Crisis. Find Alberto's book, Late Fascism, here: https://bookshop.org/a/118130/9781839760204 Runtime 2:12:20 We're testing out a new Bookshop.org page (still under construction), where you can find books by past guests and book recommendations from the hosts. Find it here: bookshop.org/shop/deathpanel Show links: Get Health Communism here: bookshop.org/a/118130/9781839765179 Find Tracy's book Abolish Rent here: bookshop.org/a/118130/9798888902523

Beatrice Adler-Bolton, Silky Shah and Harsha Walia discuss the brutal enforcement of immigration policing in Minneapolis and beyond, and why resistance calls for the abolition of much more than ICE. This episode was recorded live on February 12th 2026 in collaboration with Haymarket Books. You can watch the original livestream on youtube here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d9YJqx1zY2c To support the show and help make episodes like this one possible, become a patron at www.patreon.com/deathpanelpod Find Harsha Walia's book Border and Rule: Global Migration, Capitalism, and the Rise of Racist Nationalism here: https://bookshop.org/a/118130/9781642592696 Find Silky Shah's book Unbuild Walls: Why Immigrant Justice Needs Abolition here: https://bookshop.org/a/118130/9798888900840 Show links: Get Health Communism here: bookshop.org/a/118130/9781839765179 Find Tracy's book Abolish Rent here: bookshop.org/a/118130/9798888902523 Find Jules' latest book, A Short History of Trans Misogyny, here: bookshop.org/a/118130/9781804291603

Subscribe on Patreon and hear this week's full patron-exclusive episode here: https://www.patreon.com/posts/150271215 Beatrice speaks with Ayesha Siddiqi about “anti-aging” trends and longevity influencers as symptoms of imperial decline and the role the wellness industry has played in producing this moment of heightened fascism. Runtime 1:22:30 We're testing out a new Bookshop.org page (still under construction), where you can find books by past guests and book recommendations from the hosts. Find it here: bookshop.org/shop/deathpanel Show links: Get Health Communism here: bookshop.org/a/118130/9781839765179 Find Tracy's book Abolish Rent here: bookshop.org/a/118130/9798888902523

This episode was originally released December 1st for Death Panel patrons and is being unlocked today for the first time. To support the show and help make episodes like this one possible, become a patron at www.patreon.com/deathpanelpod Beatrice speaks with Nate Holdren about why deportation is wrong, period, and about what we lose when we limit our demands to appeals about "legality." This episode was recorded and released prior to the onset of "Operation Metro Surge" in Minneapolis but is being unlocked today as the discussion feels even more relevant following recent events. It was originally released under the title "Political Imagination and Appeals to the Law." Find Nate's recent essays (mentioned at the top of the episode) here: Hands Off! (Spectre Journal) - https://spectrejournal.com/hands-off/ Deportation is Wrong, Period (Little Village) - https://littlevillagemag.com/letter-to-the-editor-deportation-is-wrong-period/ FInd Nate's book, Injury Impoverished, here: https://bookshop.org/a/118130/9781108448666 Show links: We're testing out a new Bookshop.org page (still under construction), where you can find books by past guests and book recommendations from the hosts. Find it here: bookshop.org/shop/deathpanel Get Health Communism here: bookshop.org/a/118130/9781839765179 Find Tracy's book Abolish Rent here: bookshop.org/a/118130/9798888902523 Find Jules' latest book, A Short History of Trans Misogyny, here: bookshop.org/a/118130/9781804291603 Interstitial music by Artie Outro by Time Wharp: timewharp.bandcamp.com/track/tezeta

Subscribe on Patreon and hear this week's full patron-exclusive episode here: https://www.patreon.com/posts/149776788 After a brief introduction on the ongoing situation in Minneapolis, Beatrice speaks with Maya Schenwar and Kim Wilson about care work and parenting as part of abolitionist practice, lessons from integrating abolitionist values into everyday life, and how we show up for each other in dark times like these. Runtime 2:42:22 Find Kim and Maya’s book, We Grow the World Together: Parenting Toward Abolition, here: https://bookshop.org/a/118130/9798888902554 We're testing out a new Bookshop.org page (still under construction), where you can find books by past guests and book recommendations from the hosts. Find it here: bookshop.org/shop/deathpanel Show links: Get Health Communism here: bookshop.org/a/118130/9781839765179 Find Tracy's book Abolish Rent here: bookshop.org/a/118130/9798888902523

This episode was originally released October 6th, 2022 and we're re-releasing it today in the lead up to Covid Year Five. To support the show and help make episodes like this one possible, become a patron at www.patreon.com/deathpanelpod Beatrice speaks with Ruth Wilson Gilmore about how to understand the concept of "the state," the capitalist state's capacity of organized abandonment, and the extraction of time. Transcript: https://www.deathpanel.net/transcripts/organized-abandonment-with-ruth-wilson-gilmore Order her book Abolition Geography: Essays Towards Liberation here: www.versobooks.com/books/3785-abolition-geography Ruth Wilson Gilmore is Professor of Earth and Environmental Sciences, and American Studies at the Graduate Center of the City University of New York, where she is also Director of the Center for Place, Culture, and Politics. Find our book Health Communism here: www.versobooks.com/books/4081-health-communism Find Jules' new book, A Short History of Trans Misogyny, here: https://www.versobooks.com/products/3054-a-short-history-of-trans-misogyny As always, support Death Panel at www.patreon.com/deathpanelpod

Beatrice speaks with Ruth Wilson Gilmore about how to understand the concept of "the state," the capitalist state's capacity of organized abandonment, and the extraction of time. Order her book Abolition Geography: Essays Towards Liberation here: https://www.versobooks.com/books/3785-abolition-geography Ruth Wilson Gilmore is Professor of Earth and Environmental Sciences, and American Studies at the Graduate Center of the City University of New York, where she is also Director of the Center for Place, Culture, and Politics. TRANSCRIPT: www.deathpanel.net/transcripts/organized-abandonment-with-ruth-wilson-gilmore Pre-order HEALTH COMMUNISM here: bit.ly/3Af2YaJ As always, support Death Panel at www.patreon.com/deathpanelpod Death Panel merch here (patrons get a discount code): www.deathpanel.net/merch join our Discord here: discord.com/invite/3KjKbB2