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Debunking Economics - the podcast
Hosted by Steve Keen & Phil Dobbie · EN
Economist Steve Keen talks to Phil Dobbie about the failings of the neoclassical economics and how it reflects on society.
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Hedging an Uncertain Future
2w ago00:38:14Tap to summarizeThis week Phil challenges Steve on how the futures market handles terminal risk, pointing out that oil prices slope downward over time simply because traders blindly assume the Strait of Hormuz will reopen. Steve agrees and tears into the financial sector, explaining that modern pricing models dangerously mistake unquantifiable "uncertainty" for manageable "risk" by using flawed Gaussian distributions that erase the possibility of catastrophic, extreme events. Phil notes that the financial system's obsession with short-term hedging actually prevents behavior change and masks physical scarcity, leading corporations to scrap vital emergency buffers like PPE or fuel reserves in the name of market efficiency. Ultimately, Steve warns that while Western economies face a massive financial crash when these paper bets collide with zero physical supply, nations like China are strategically bypassing the market system altogether by stockpiling massive, real-world physical buffers of grain and energy to survive the looming collapse. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.
Transcribe →Conditioned to borrow, not save
3w ago00:45:43Tap to summarizeThis week Phil and Steve dismantle the structural shift of the global economy toward a permanent state of debt dependence. Following a critique of Steve’s recent debate on the Piers Morgan show and a revisit to last week’s discussion on th link between energy and productivity, they look at how policy since the 1980s aggressively incentivizes borrowing over saving. Steve argues that the banking sector now functions primarily to inflate asset bubbles—particularly in housing—rather than funding productive industry, effectively conditioning entire generations to rely on debt-fueled asset growth for wealth. By debunking the neoclassical "savings myth," they show how the broader economy is dangerously fragile to any slowdown in the relentless creation of new debt. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.
Transcribe →Improving Productivity
4w ago00:32:35Tap to summarizeIn this episode of Debunking Economics, Steve Keen dismantles the mainstream economic obsession with "Total Factor Productivity" (TFP), labeling it a mythical construct that ignores the laws of physics. He argues that economists historically "fudged" data to credit an abstract idea of technology for growth, while in reality, productivity gains are almost entirely a function of increasing the energy throughput of machinery. Keen asserts that "labor without energy is a corpse" and "capital without energy is a sculpture," emphasizing that real output only rises when we design machines capable of converting more energy into useful work. The discussion concludes that as the global economy faces energy supply shocks and shifts from fragile "just-in-time" efficiency toward localized resilience, we must brace for a structural decline in traditional productivity, as "resilience" is effectively the physical price paid for security in a less stable world. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.
Transcribe →Beating inflation?
Apr 3000:38:31Tap to summarizePhil and Steve analyze the 2026 return of double-digit inflation, characterizing it as a structural cost-push crisis rather than the result of excess consumer demand. Keen argues that with Brent crude hitting $100 a barrel due to the Strait of Hormuz blockade, energy costs have become a fundamental driver of prices that central bank interest rate hikes are fundamentally powerless to resolve. He delivers a scathing critique of current monetary policy, suggesting that raising rates acts as a "debt tax" that exacerbates the real income shock for households while failing to address the underlying energy supply bottlenecks. To truly "beat" this inflation, he advocates for moving beyond interest rate orthodoxy toward direct energy price interventions and an accelerated transition to energy sovereignty to decouple the economy from global fossil fuel volatility. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.
Transcribe →More Central Bank Independence?
Apr 2200:40:01Tap to summarizeIn this episode, Phil Dobbie and Steve Keen dissect Bank of England Governor Andrew Bailey’s push for greater central bank independence, a move Bailey claims is necessary to shield price stability from politically motivated meddling. Steve Keen, however, isn't buying the mainstream narrative, arguing that central banks are operating on a "fantasy" model that ignores the actual mechanics of money creation and the volatile role of private debt. The discussion ranges from the "policy ineffectiveness" of interest rate hikes to the historic failures of central banks to act as anything more than a "Greenspan put" for a fragile banking system. Ultimately, they suggest that instead of doubling down on flawed independence, central banks should stop pretending they can micromanage GDP and start acting as a realistic police force for financial stability—before the next "unforeseen" crisis hits. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.
Transcribe →Energy - the AI Achille's Heel
Apr 1400:39:38Tap to summarizeIn this episode of the Debunking Economics podcast, Phil Dobbie and Professor Steve Keen explore the precarious intersection of the ongoing global energy crisis and the massive resource demands of the AI revolution. The conversation traverses a landscape of geopolitical instability—from Iranian influence in the Strait of Hormuz to the vulnerabilities of Western microchip manufacturing—while questioning whether the "AI promise" can survive a world of dwindling energy supplies and extreme inequality. Professor Keen offers a provocative comparison between the disruptive force of political volatility and the impending reality of global warming, arguing that without a fundamental shift toward collective economic stability and energy self-sufficiency, the high-tech future envisioned by "Tech Bros" may be sidelined by the urgent requirements of human survival. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.
Transcribe →The looming diesel disaster
Apr 700:36:37Tap to summarizePhil and Steve discuss the escalating global energy crisis and Australia’s precarious response. They critique the government’s move to lower fuel prices by cutting excise taxes and GST, arguing that while it offers short-term relief to the working class, it fails to address the critical issue of supply and consumption. The conversation highlights a significant vulnerability: Australia maintains only a 30-day onshore reserve of petroleum, far below the International Energy Association's 90-day requirement. Steve warns that a total depletion of diesel reserves could lead to a domestic famine, as the nation's food distribution rely almost entirely on trucking. To mitigate future shocks, they explore the necessity of strategic rationing, the potential for a "carbon coupon" parallel currency, and the urgent need for a massive, publicly funded shift toward electrification. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.
Transcribe →Understanding the Value of Value
Mar 3100:38:49Tap to summarizeIn this episode of the Debunking Economics podcast, Phil Dobbie and Steve Keen explore the core of economic theory: the definition of value. They contrast the classical cost of production theory with the neoclassical focus on subjective utility, arguing that while neoclassical models often fail mathematical rigor, the cost-plus approach reflects how real firms operate. The pair discusses the critical role of innovation and market segmentation, noting that while competition typically forces margins back toward production costs over time, elite brands like Ferrari can maintain high markups by intentionally limiting supply and occupying unique segments where value is tied to exclusivity. Ultimately, they conclude that while short-term utility and innovation drive initial pricing, the long-term evolutionary dynamic of capitalism is anchored by the actual costs of production. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.
Transcribe →Compound Growth in a Finite World
Mar 2400:41:22Tap to summarizeThis week Phil and Steve examine the concept of compound interest and its inextricable link to exponential growth in a world with finite resources. They discuss how interest was historically viewed as a sin—the crime of usury—across major religions until the industrial revolution provided the physical growth and energy consumption necessary to support such financial claims. The duo highlights the systemic risk posed by the expectation of permanent improvement in living standards, noting that while interest rates may not have an inherent limit, the biosphere certainly does. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.
Transcribe →Paying a war
Mar 1700:35:17Tap to summarizePhil points out that the US is likely to spend $1.5 trilion on defense/offense spending this year. Acknowledging that sovereign currencies can essentially create money to fund defense, doesn’t there get a point where too much is just too much? A significant portion of this expenditure flows to major defense contractors like Lockheed Martin and Northrop Grumman, often resulting in "corporate welfare" where increased military budgets are prioritized over social welfare. Steve says that while money creation is theoretically limitless for the US, the real-world constraint lies in physical production capabilities and the availability of essential materials like rare earth elements, which are largely refined in China. This strategic dependence on foreign resources, combined with the inflationary pressures that can arise from massive government spending, suggests that a nation's ability to sustain a war is ultimately determined more by its domestic manufacturing capacity and resource security than by its purely financial reserves. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.
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