Selective Ignorance : Ep. 40 | Public Outrage: Blowing Bubba, Guilt &"The Files" feat. Jason "Jah" Lee

Summary

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Selective Ignorance: Ep. 40 | Public Outrage: Blowing Bubba, Guilt & "The Files" feat. Jason "Jah" Lee

Podcast: Decisions, Decisions Presents: Selective Ignorance
Hosts: Mandii B, Jason Rodriguez, Aaron A. King Howard
Featured Guest: Jason "Jah" Lee
Date: December 2, 2025

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Episode Overview

This episode of "Selective Ignorance" dives headfirst into the chaos of current public controversies, exploring topics ranging from the newly-released (and heavily redacted) Epstein files, the limits of public outrage (especially among conservatives regarding Trump), Nicki Minaj’s eyebrow-raising advocacy at the UN, celebrity accountability (or lack thereof), and cultural biases around work—particularly in domestic help. The always-candid hosts, joined by regular guest Jason "Jah" Lee, push listeners to question societal norms, recent headlines, and, above all, themselves.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Selective Ignorance: What It Means and Why It Matters

Mandii sets the tone for the episode with the recurring theme:

“Here we mind our business. Except when the tea is scorching and the government is lying.” (04:23, Mandii)

• Selective ignorance defined: The deliberate ignoring of inconvenient truths for self-preservation or comfort.
• The episode tasks itself with confronting these blind spots—personal and societal.

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2. The Epstein Files: Truth, Redaction, and Public Trust

[38:13–51:40]

a. What’s the Real Truth?"

• The release of Epstein-related government files – with much hype but heavy redaction.
• Public speculation about partisanship, with rumors of only Democratic names being revealed.
  • Jason Lee: “No one’s going to believe that Bill Clinton was the only person that knew Jeffrey Epstein. Like we've seen–” (38:57)
• Questions raised about why the Biden administration didn't release the files earlier—Jason Rodriguez explains the procedural delays: ongoing investigations, layers of bureaucracy. (39:13)

b. Statute of Limitations & Public Impact

• Mandii: “If what we’re deeming to be unraveled in these Epstein files... what does it matter this much longer, outside of public opinion?” (40:33)
• Legal vs. monetary consequences—the files’ true utility may be reputation-damaging, rather than criminal.
• Republican vs. Democratic transparency: Democrats seem less resistant to disclosure, while Republicans push a narrative of selective release. (46:11, Jason Lee)

c. Victims & the Weaponization of Language

• Jason Rodriguez highlights how language is used to minimize abuse: "Republican media calling underage victims 'young women'... to cloud the severity.” (49:23)
• Mandii laments: “When a woman is in her 30s or 40s coming out about a sexual assault... the census is, ‘well, what took you so long?’” (49:57)

d. Does the Public Really Care?

• Jason Lee: “No one will be surprised... But I still think if– well, most of this is Trump’s fault. He ran his campaign saying... these things were going to come out.” (42:40)
• Mandii: "Do we care? It's a whole bunch of white people doing fucked up shit we already know they were probably doing." (43:55)

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3. Outrage, Double Standards & Trump's "Line in the Sand"

[04:33–05:32, 45:37–47:51]

• Republican outrage over rumors of Trump’s possible sexual acts with men—Mandii skewers the hypocrisy:

“That’s the line in the sand for Republicans, apparently. And why are the barbs in the White House? Why is Trump acting like he gives a fuck about Nigeria?” (04:33)

• Discussion on religious values as political props. Jason Lee underscores Trump’s lack of authentic Christianity:

“He was a proxy for white Christian nationalists to feel good about who they were voting for... but that man doesn’t know shit about church.” (45:40)

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4. Nicki Minaj, the United Nations, and Performative Allyship

[55:56–67:22]

a. The Barbs’ Discontent

• Nicki Minaj’s drop in fan support after publicly speaking at the UN on behalf of the Trump administration, allegedly for religious freedom in Nigeria.
• Mandii: “She is allowed to have concern over a religious group... but the US that–what does that have to do with the United States? 0!” (56:29/57:16)

b. Amanda Seales’ Analysis (audio played)

• The hosts play a clip where Amanda connects US concern for Nigerian Christians to broader geopolitical interests, not altruism.
• “The US is using this as a ploy... to find their way into Nigeria so they can then meddle in the Pan African movement.” (58:00, Amanda Seales via Mandii)

c. Who Is Being Activated?

• The hosts question the alignment of Minaj’s message with her fanbase, many of whom are LGBTQ+ and people of color.
• Jason Rodriguez: “That’s why like Christians get played, right? ...Trump doesn’t care, but he knows if he says a couple of these words, this group is going to get activated.” (61:06)

d. Comparison to Cardi B

• Crediting Cardi B as authentically political versus Nicki’s sudden activism:
  “Cardi... you can tell she cares about this stuff. Nicki’s up there saying she’s nervous, reading a speech about Nigerians and Christians... it just doesn’t come off as genuine.” (64:17–65:21, Jason Lee)

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5. Celebrities, Guilt, and Performative Accountability

[67:23–77:12]

a. The Game’s "Confession": Accountability or Empty Gestures?

• The Game admits regret over past womanizing on "Den of Kings":

“When you get into your 40s, man, you start feeling like you womanizing... you start feeling it.” (68:42, The Game)

• Hosts critique late-in-life realizations and public "apologies" as self-serving and detached from actual behavioral change:

  • “He wants an applause for the awakening... that’s a baseline!” (71:27, Jason Rodriguez)
  • “If you genuinely knew better, you’d do better, and you wouldn’t have just made another baby.” (71:44, Mandii)

• The Game’s past and present relationships (including with Evelyn Lozada’s daughter) are scrutinized as examples of repeated patterns rather than authentic growth.

b. Broader Issue: Selective Ignorance in Relationships

• Mandii: “A lot of these [men] do know that they know. What it is, is selective ignorance. You know better, you genuinely don’t choose to do better.” (74:26)

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6. Personal Biases: Who Gets to Clean Your House?

[22:45–33:10]

• Mandii candidly confesses cultural and racial biases in hiring domestic help:

"I get matched with a cleaner... a dreadhead black man. And I immediately was like, this [guy] ain't cleaning my house... a black man cannot clean the house like others can." (24:04/24:29, Mandii)

• She reflects on her own ignorance, the role of trust, privacy, and stereotypes—especially around Latinx cleaners.
• The group discusses whether this is a personal, generational, or simply American form of selective ignorance.
• Running joke: only Spanish-speaking cleaners get the job done "right"; use of Fabuloso as a cultural cleaning signifier.

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7. Spiritual, Political, and Social Reset: The Quest for Forgiveness

[84:52–93:25]

• Reaction to celebrities (Young Thug, Kanye, etc.) seeking "spiritual resets" with Jewish rabbis:

  • “Shouldn’t he be going to like Muhammad Allah?” (86:51, Mandii)
  • Jason Lee jokes about the now-unfashionable trend: “If you was a rapper and you got woke, you went to go sit with Minister Farrakhan and you got your life right. How did Farrakhan lose his job?” (87:08)

• The hosts express confusion at public displays of repentance in unfamiliar faith traditions—especially when the intent feels more strategic than sincere.

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8. Listener Dilemma: "Am I Ignorant?" Segment on Inheritance

[93:52–98:29]

• Listener asks: “Was it ignorant to refuse to split my inheritance with my cousins?”

• Mandii: “You should feel ignorant for keeping it. We are in a recession. You need every goddamn coin you can get.” (96:06)

• The room unanimously agrees: entitlement to family members’ inheritance is itself ignorant unless you actively participated in caregiving.

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Notable Quotes & Moments

• “A little extra mayo slathered on that hip sandwich where I’m like, oh, hell no.” – Jason Lee, joking about “extra” factors in racial confrontations. (17:38)
• On public outrage over sex scandals: “You wasn’t mad at him grabbing women by the pussy. But now he might have been around some penises, y'all are in an uproar.” – Mandii (45:17)
• “People who come here from other countries, immigrants, they’re cleaner than us. Not even the cleaner—it’s taking pride in your work, whatever work you do.” – Jason Lee (30:01)
• “A lot of us were taught to survive love instead of experiencing it... A lot of men think being solid means being silent. I’m good. I got it. That’s the script we memorize before we even know ourselves.” – Big Loom, guest segment on healthy relationships (18:02)
• “If the money was significantly more money... then, yes, give them a couple dollars, help everybody out. But $25,000? What I’m gonna do, give you $1,500?” – Jason Lee (97:17)

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Timestamps for Important Segments

• Epstein Files discussion: 38:13–51:40
• Nicki Minaj and the UN: 55:56–67:22
• The Game’s confessional & celebrity accountability: 67:23–77:12
• Racial bias in domestic work: 22:45–33:10
• Young Thug & celebrity repentance: 84:52–93:25
• Am I Ignorant? (Listener inheritance dilemma): 93:52–98:29

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Tone & Style

"Selective Ignorance" remains true to its reputation—irreverent, blunt, and full of playful jabs. The hosts balance vulnerability with humor, openly discussing their own biases and shortcomings while holding society and celebrities to the same harsh light. Moments of rowdiness and jokes often cut deeper than initial laughs suggest.

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For listeners new and old, this episode embodies the spirit of “Decisions, Decisions”: unlearning, questioning, and laughing through the discomfort—while demanding better from the world and themselves.

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[Jason Rodriguez]

Hun.

[Mandy B]

This week, and this is America, the Epstein files are being released. Yes, those files, y' all know, the ones that they said didn't exist.

[Jason Lee]

Yeah, of course, of course.

[Mandy B]

But somehow now they are out and about and ready for us to explore. But we'll also see because they're redacting mad shit out of it, so who knows what we're going to get? It's giving a fallacy. Meanwhile, the maggers are finally burning their little red hat. And not because Trump is out here showing us again that he doesn't care about basic human rights. Oh no, it's because he might have allegedly put a little dick in his mouth. That's the line in the sand for the Republicans, apparently. And why are the barbs in the White House? Why is Trump acting like he gives a fuck about Nigeria? Well, we're getting into that as well. Then in Celebrities say the Darnest Things, rapper the Game admits that he's losing sleep because he realized he wasn't a good man and wasted women's time. Red rose, white ceiling, sir, that's not insomnia. It's called consequences. And is this another case of men know better, they just choose not to do better? We're going to get into that. And then also, apparently, all these celebrities are meeting with rabbis.

[Jason Lee]

I feel really blessed to be able.

[Mandy B]

To sit here with you today and just take accountability. Do they even speak the same language? I don't know what's happening. Y' all grab your side eyes and your ignorance. Cause we're diving into it. And per usual, I am joined by my super producers. I got journalism Jason.

[Jason Lee]

Gang, gang, gang.

[Mandy B]

Which unfortunately, he's not here for.

[Jason Rodriguez]

I'm back on punishment. I'm back on punishment.

[Mandy B]

Not here to get inside of a king, which.

[Aaron A. King Howard]

Inside is crazy.

[Jason Rodriguez]

Hey, hey, hey, hey.

[Mandy B]

Bus side inside.

[Aaron A. King Howard]

No.

[Mandy B]

All I know is why are you gay? Not very wild me up, but that's what I'm saying. He. He put something in your back from the back?

[Jason Lee]

No.

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Why?

[Jason Rodriguez]

I just like to make things redact.

[Jason Lee]

The file?

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No.

[Mandy B]

Y' all know that it's the Epstein.

[Aaron A. King Howard]

File, not the Robinson file.

[Mandy B]

We were up in New York and got to record quite a bit of episodes, and I just felt like a king. You showed up as somebody that I hadn't seen you as. It was giving Combat Jackpotter.

[Jason Rodriguez]

Okay, okay.

[Mandy B]

It was regular.

[Jason Lee]

Yeah, I think so.

[Mandy B]

You had some opinions.

[Aaron A. King Howard]

I think it was what we were talking about. I think this is the ebbs and flows of the conversation and those conversations, you know.

[Jason Rodriguez]

Oh, man. He said, we gotta be back this.

[Jason Lee]

One today might be one of those.

[Aaron A. King Howard]

Of those.

[Mandy B]

Nah, today's gonna be fun.

[Aaron A. King Howard]

Do you pod quietly in your crib?

[Mandy B]

Like, do I pod quietly? Do I do anything quiet?

[Jason Rodriguez]

No.

[Aaron A. King Howard]

Like, Jay, do you be in the house, like, discussing.

[Jason Lee]

Yeah.

[Jason Rodriguez]

Bouncing, you know, it's like taking shots.

[Mandy B]

I do that.

[Aaron A. King Howard]

Oh, if I had the mics on at the crib, oh, I'd have been. I had no friends.

[Mandy B]

I do. Listen.

[Aaron A. King Howard]

I was lighting everybody up the other day when I saw the Twitter, all the action.

[Jason Rodriguez]

What?

[Mandy B]

I was like, oh, no, no, no. I do listen to Pods and suck my teeth and be like, what the fuck are y' all talking about? Like, I be mad at what I listen to.

[Jason Lee]

But that's part of the fun though, you know?

[Mandy B]

Well, part of the fun is introducing you. Y' all have heard him before. He is the man behind all of the dopest, funniest titles from bossip, but also he is a man of many opinions and I'm really excited to have him join selective ignorance a lot more often. Y' all are about to hear. Okay, here's the thing now, because Jason Lee, but you know, there's the other Jason Lee. So what is the action on you? Are you gonna do. Are we able to be.

[Jason Rodriguez]

You gotta put the ambulance.

[Mandy B]

Like, can we just say the Jay.

[Jason Rodriguez]

Z amulets over there?

[Jason Lee]

Oh, that's a good call. I should bring back the, the umla. You know, Jay Z used to have it used to be J A Y Z with the umla over the A's. Yeah, over the A's.

[Jason Rodriguez]

Yeah, yeah, bring that. Bring that in.

[Jason Lee]

That's like sophisticated.

[Jason Rodriguez]

That's. Bring that into fashion.

[Jason Lee]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Bring back the Umla.

[Mandy B]

Are we going to though expound on your voice as Ja? Are you just going to be Ja or do you want to be Jason Lee? The black one. The full black one.

[Jason Lee]

So here's what it is.

[Mandy B]

Well, because Jason, we do have a.

[Aaron A. King Howard]

White Torre and a black Tor.

[Jason Lee]

That's true.

[Aaron A. King Howard]

White Tor is a rapper Tor.

[Mandy B]

That's crazy, right?

[Aaron A. King Howard]

White Tor is Tor.

[Jason Lee]

You know what?

[Aaron A. King Howard]

Shout out to.

[Mandy B]

You know what's crazy? When y' all kept talking about so to come on the show for sure. When y' all kept saying that, I thought it was the. The nigga with the curly hair with the glass. That's the white.

[Jason Lee]

That's the white Taurine.

[Aaron A. King Howard]

The rapper is the black.

[Jason Lee]

Touring.

[Mandy B]

That's who I always thought y' all were trying to get me next to because I see a lot of his videos. I see black terrain.

[Aaron A. King Howard]

He's not white. He's like, he's me. Because he's, he's.

[Mandy B]

He's light skinned.

[Aaron A. King Howard]

Yes, he is.

[Jason Lee]

Yes.

[Aaron A. King Howard]

But he's from Brooklyn though. Shout out to tour.

[Jason Rodriguez]

I think he's from like Boston originally. He got his stripes in Billy.

[Jason Lee]

He was an excellent but low key.

[Aaron A. King Howard]

I be seeing him running around park slopes. Quite a leg.

[Jason Rodriguez]

No, he's in fourth grade. He's in fourth grade.

[Mandy B]

I love that we're starting off this problem.

[Aaron A. King Howard]

Yo, I saw a video of him. You're not going to like this. He got a Video. I encourage everybody to see it. It's from Torre and it says which one? The white toy.

[Jason Rodriguez]

Okay, we got to stop that.

[Jason Lee]

We're never going to get.

[Aaron A. King Howard]

He know what the reference is. He know what the reference is.

[Jason Lee]

Yeah, that's more. That's real pod Lord.

[Aaron A. King Howard]

Right?

[Jason Lee]

Right. If you know, you know, you know.

[Aaron A. King Howard]

But no, Torre has a excellent breakdown of why he hates Drake on YouTube.

[Mandy B]

So I hate Drake.

[Jason Rodriguez]

First off, I won't rewatching it 7 reasons why hate Straight.

[Mandy B]

I won't be watching that. By. By the way. By the way, I just love that white, black, whatever, polka dot. Everybody just want to get off by talking about how they hate the biracial Drake and ain't nobody got time to be sitting here listening to why people hate people.

[Jason Lee]

Well, I listen. Well, we're going to get it. We get into the topics later. I have more Drake slander. But that's. That's neither here. That's neither here nor. We'll get. We'll get to that.

[Mandy B]

This is going to be a podcast that we lean on, hate Drake on.

[Jason Rodriguez]

Okay.

[Mandy B]

Let all the other pod.

[Aaron A. King Howard]

We don't not like him.

[Jason Lee]

Yeah, I don't. I don't.

[Mandy B]

I don't know.

[Aaron A. King Howard]

I listen.

[Jason Lee]

I was listening to this the other day, but where the shoe fits. I'm going make the wear it. That's it. But I'm going answer your question now directly, though, about. About the duality of Jason Lee and John.

[Mandy B]

Yeah, give me the duality.

[Jason Lee]

I'm not going to let that soil the brand. Like, the brand. The brand. The brand of Jason Lee. Like, know me around here, know my body. You know what I'm saying? So. And when they know me, they don't know me anything the way they know him. And I'm the bossip. And niggas don't know me like that. Know me in a different kind of way. The niggas know me in a way of, like, dignity and respect and like.

[Jason Rodriguez]

You know, that's why you need the umlats.

[Jason Lee]

That's why you need the umlas to let them know, like, how for real it is. So, yeah, I'm not gonna let him store the brand. I'm Jason Lee and that's just what it is, period.

[Aaron A. King Howard]

But versus.

[Jason Lee]

But that would be hard versus names.

[Aaron A. King Howard]

Can we get that? Both Jason and.

[Mandy B]

That's crazy. That's crazy. That's crazy. By the way, I love Jason, so of course, the next time he does. Next time. And because you about to be up here, like, y' all about to get to know this. Whenever that sets foot on Atlanta soil.

[Aaron A. King Howard]

Oh, we got.

[Mandy B]

We bringing the.

[Aaron A. King Howard]

We got to do. It's.

[Jason Lee]

It's been a long time coming.

[Aaron A. King Howard]

But he got the H in jaw, so that makes him. Him.

[Mandy B]

Yeah, yeah. And. And.

[Jason Lee]

And that's how, like, the H stands for him. Right? But here's the thing, right? Like, people that if you see me in the street, right, and you call me Jason, I know what time period in my life. Okay, you know me from.

[Mandy B]

Okay, right?

[Jason Lee]

From, like, eighth grade to through college and all of that. If you call me Ja, I know what point after I met 2009 and beyond. So the name came about in, like, 2006.

[Mandy B]

Okay. Okay.

[Jason Lee]

And, like, I don't know if we have time to go through this whole lore or not, but it's not even.

[Mandy B]

We'll get.

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We'll get. We'll get.

[Jason Lee]

We'll get that eventually. But. Yeah, but the whole.

[Aaron A. King Howard]

I thought it was because you smoked greenery. I thought you were Jamaican, too.

[Jason Lee]

People, that's. That's normally. Normally, that's how it's a good.

[Jason Rodriguez]

That's a good one.

[Jason Lee]

I would say that. And people like Rastafari. I hate to break you. I hate to bust your bubble, player, but that's not.

[Mandy B]

Did you tell them I'm actually African American?

[Jason Lee]

I said I'm a. Oh, okay, I'm a bro. But. But the disappointment in people's face when I tell them it's not Rastafari is always funny.

[Mandy B]

That's funny.

[Jason Lee]

But. Yeah, but people know me from being a certain kind way. So now, you know, now that I came up in the world and I could be on this here esteemed platform, you know what I'm saying? I can. I can introduce people to both of us.

[Mandy B]

Okay. I love that. Well, then we'll start off and shout.

[Jason Rodriguez]

Out to the other. To shout out to both.

[Jason Lee]

Shout out to all.

[Jason Rodriguez]

He came up this year. Black music.

[Mandy B]

The Torah is y' all about to lit. Who?

[Jason Lee]

You know Maj. Torre.

[Aaron A. King Howard]

Nah.

[Jason Lee]

Namaj to. Ray is out of Philly. He's like a. He's like a political commentator.

[Mandy B]

Can we stop adding to it? Like.

[Jason Rodriguez]

We gotta do a whole versus episode.

[Jason Lee]

We got the white Toray, black story. Maj. Toray would probably be like the Muslim tourist. Yeah, Muslim. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. He's from Philly. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Mandy B]

Have a look. So we're gonna start off. I wanna. I wanna kind of just. You know, what we're gonna start doing is sharing our ignorant moments throughout the weeks, and I want to start with you, I know my ignorant moment that I've had recently that I am going to blindly share on this podcast so that y' all can keep judging me for all of eternity. But do you have a ignorant moment that you've. That you realize that you want to share with the world?

[Jason Lee]

And it took me a minute to think about it, but it wasn't really that long ago.

[Mandy B]

Okay.

[Jason Lee]

When you think that should be happening, Right? So I'm on the couch. I get a text from my lady, okay, that says, I just got into a confrontation with a white man.

[Mandy B]

Oh, the.

[Jason Lee]

Now we're on the phone. What's going on? She says she's at the gas station trying to get gas. Some white man in a Home Depot truck was, I guess, trying to take the spot that she. You know, people get greedy at the gas station.

[Mandy B]

They do.

[Jason Lee]

She's trying to get in the gas pump. I guess the guy's blocking her, trying to get in. Whatever the case is, she asked him, hey, I'm trying to get in this spot. Can you help? You talking to me?

[Mandy B]

The white man.

[Jason Lee]

The white man said that to her. You talking to me? I know you're not talking to me. What? The gas station is right down. It's right by the crib.

[Mandy B]

How close?

[Jason Lee]

Oh. Oh. I throw on some pants. Now by this time, she's like, everything is cool. I'm good. I'm about to just leave out of here. She got her gas, and it happened already. Okay, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. It might have happened already, but it ain't over. It ain't over. So I put on some pants. You don't even know this yet, but I put on some pants. I go to the gas station across the street. I'm looking for the white Home Depot van. Where is the van at? I don't see the van. I go up the street. As I'm going up the street, I see a Home Depot van pull out of the Walgreens. Busy. You right in the middle of the street. Hold on. Mash down on this Home Depot van. We get right at the red light where both of us are side by side. I look over there. It's a brother. Long locks. Okay, okay, cool. But now he's looking at me. Cause I done ran down on him in the city.

[Jason Rodriguez]

I was gonna say, yeah.

[Jason Lee]

Now he's looking at me.

[Jason Rodriguez]

It was like Las Vegas.

[Aaron A. King Howard]

You had your assistant with you?

[Jason Lee]

My assistant goes with me everywhere.

[Jason Rodriguez]

I was about to ask that, too.

[Jason Lee]

My assistant. Unless we somewhere in the federal building or Wherever they're doing pat downs at, my assistant is with me. But it's not. It didn't have to be any of that. But I'm looking at this guy like, oh, all right, it's cool. But now he thinks. Now his incident. Now he thinks, no, it's not cool. He didn't say anything. He didn't get out of pocket. But I just know to look on a black man when a black man is tired of whatever the is going on. And this is going, yeah, yeah, yeah. So I'm like, all right, drive. Now he drives up on me. He don't say nothing. He don't roll the window down. He's just looking like, what's up? Ain't nothing up, bro. We straight. I thought you was somebody else. Both went up separate ways, okay? Everything was all good. So my ignorant thought was like, but you didn't.

[Mandy B]

But you didn't get the white man.

[Jason Lee]

No. And I was mad about that. Like, I'm still starting by it right now, to be honest with you.

[Mandy B]

Your ignorance was what my ignorance is.

[Jason Lee]

I'm about to go down here, and it's gonna be whatever it's gonna be with this white man. Because first off, who the are you talking to? Second off, watch, who the you talking to?

[Mandy B]

You know what I was gonna ask you.

[Jason Lee]

You don't know who that person knows? You don't know what the other side of that looks like.

[Mandy B]

Were you more irate because the man was white? Because if a black man did the same thing, would you not have had the same response?

[Jason Lee]

It would have been the same thing.

[Mandy B]

Just a man talking to a woman.

[Jason Lee]

Like, it's just a little extra salt on top. A little.

[Mandy B]

Literally salt.

[Jason Lee]

A little. A little extra.

[Mandy B]

A little extra mayo.

[Jason Lee]

A little extra mayo slathered on that hip sandwich where I'm like, oh, hell no.

[Mandy B]

Okay, okay. Valid, Valid, Valid. Valid. Valid. Valid. Valid. Valid.

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[Mandy B]

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[Jason Lee]

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[Mandy B]

So I have also an ignorant moment that I would like to share with y'.

[Jason Rodriguez]

All.

[Mandy B]

And it kind of leads into a little bit of what you did, but it, it wasn't all the way white people. Okay, it's a little ignorance, but it does have to do with ethnicities, I guess, and color and biases. And this is my selective ignorance. Okay, so y' all know the movers was one thing at the top of the year, but now I'm like juggling trying to find cleaners. Because what I enjoy about making money is that I offload all the things that a bitch don't wanna do. Fuck the domestication. I live with a cat. I ain't got a N. So yes, I don't want to wash dishes, I don't want to fold my clothes, I don't want to clean. Like when my, when my house start getting a little messy, I'd be like, fuck, I got to get a cleaner. So the cleaners that I've been having just don't do a great job. So I was like, okay. So I asked my neighbor, I said, yo, do you use a cleaning service? He's like, yeah, I use this app. So he sends me the app, of course, with his code, so that he gets little points or whatever. And so I download the app and I go, and of course, it books you to cleaners that accepts the job, y'.

[Jason Lee]

All.

[Mandy B]

I had to sit with myself because I felt so bad. So I get matched with a cleaner, y'.

[Jason Rodriguez]

All.

[Mandy B]

It's a dreadhead black man. And I immediately is like, this nigga ain't cleaning my house.

[Jason Rodriguez]

Did you think he was Jamaican? Is that what it was?

[Mandy B]

No, I don't care what type of black he was. A man with dreads is not clean.

[Jason Rodriguez]

Is that what you're about to say?

[Mandy B]

My house? The way I think a nigga spoke like, my house ain't gonna get cleaned by a black man.

[Jason Rodriguez]

What if he had waves?

[Mandy B]

No, a black man cannot clean the house like others can.

[Jason Lee]

First of all, if she.

[Mandy B]

That is big.

[Jason Rodriguez]

That is a wide brush.

[Mandy B]

We're gonna get into that. We're gonna get into that. She's speaking my mind. You. And the problem is. And why I wanted someone new is because the cleaners that I was using didn't speak no English. But so they weren't getting it Just. They weren't landing. So I was like, okay, but I'm not going to go from Aritzia to a nigga with dreads. So then I cancel it. Luckily, it didn't make me choose why, but I cancel it and say, find me another cleaner. So it finds me another cleaner. The cleaner is a white woman. Now, I was willing, actually.

[Jason Rodriguez]

I feel like the white woman is, you ready? Think of the black dude.

[Mandy B]

I was willing to give the white woman a chance.

[Jason Rodriguez]

That's crazy.

[Mandy B]

Also, because I was like, okay, she ain't gonna know who I am. Maybe this white woman knows how to clean. I don't know. But I was like, I'm gonna give her a chance. This raggedy bitch, two hours before the clean tries to cancel on me because her child is sick, not knowing it's them kids. You think I give a about your sick kid? You would have somebody else?

[Aaron A. King Howard]

Nigga, my house need clean for you directly?

[Mandy B]

No, it was through the app, and she tried to cancel it. But also, if I canceled it, I was gonna get charged for canceling. So I said, bitch, you cancel it. She was like, no, it's gonna charge me. I said, well, you. You, and you lose your money and go take your little motherfucking kid to wherever it need to go. But I was like, you know, I don't give a fuck about your kid being sick, bitch. My house need clean. So this is all me being super selfish, super ignorant, all the things. And so I was like, damn. Not giving no whites a try anymore because bitch, the nerve. So you just think you privileged enough to cancel on me two hours before the clean?

[Jason Lee]

Should have let Destiny Saint Jacques do it.

[Mandy B]

And then you thought I was going.

[Jason Rodriguez]

It wasn't giving you.

[Jason Lee]

You should have let Dexter St. Jacques do.

[Mandy B]

Wasn't given Jacques, Jean. Okay, it wasn't given that. So anyways, then the white woman cancels. So then I decide to go back to. Not the app, to the person who speaks no English.

[Jason Rodriguez]

That's a good choice.

[Mandy B]

Well, I decided to also ask my other friend, you got any cleaners? He said, yeah, it's a husband and wife. So the husband and wife comes over and they don't do a good job. So anyways, all I know is I am willing to try hundreds of Marias to get it right, because they're gonna get it right. But I have zero intention on having a black man or now a white woman attempt to clean my home. And here's the other. Really, really ignorant and selfless. Like, I think highly of myself. I also don't want any black women cleaning my house because I feel like they're gonna know who I am or they're gonna have friends who know who I am.

[Aaron A. King Howard]

That's fair.

[Mandy B]

I'm very particular with where I know people know where I live. And I just feel like niggas who don't even speak Spanish not gonna listen to any of the. Any of the shit I put out. But I literally was in my head, like, I'm reaching out to all my friends, like, do you have a cleaner? And what language do they speak and what they look like? I'm literally asking what they look like. And I was just like, damn, this is real ignorant of me. But also.

[Aaron A. King Howard]

And no safety. It's safety. And you have it's safety.

[Mandy B]

Well, safety.

[Aaron A. King Howard]

And then you have a particular style and expectation of how you want your crib to be clean.

[Mandy B]

And is it bad that I only feel like an espanol can clean my house the right way? Well, it can clean like a Bitch is on ChatGPT. I made a whole list of what I want done and then made my husband chatgpt literally put it in Spanish and then send it to them, like, don't leave the house till all this is done. But it's in espanol.

[Jason Lee]

Yeah. You want. You want. You want a name that ends in an O, A, or Z?

[Aaron A. King Howard]

They're gonna use fabuloso. Ammonia.

[Jason Rodriguez]

Get your peach.

[Aaron A. King Howard]

They're gonna use all of the elements of clean. We don't want 17.

[Mandy B]

Hold on.

[Jason Lee]

Don't do that.

[Mandy B]

Fabuloso. That's a nigga, that's. We do that.

[Jason Rodriguez]

Nah, that's us.

[Aaron A. King Howard]

Oh, that's.

[Jason Rodriguez]

Get out of here. Get out of here.

[Aaron A. King Howard]

We do it.

[Jason Lee]

We trying to culturally appropriate good people's cleaning.

[Aaron A. King Howard]

They do that, and they'll take.

[Mandy B]

Okay, okay. You want to know what we do?

[Aaron A. King Howard]

What's up?

[Mandy B]

And maybe J.C. you don't do this, or maybe y' all don't. This is some. This is. Okay, this is really.

[Jason Rodriguez]

I'm confused when you say we, though.

[Jason Lee]

This is some Florida shoes.

[Mandy B]

It might be some Florida shoes.

[Jason Rodriguez]

What side you picking?

[Mandy B]

So not even really using the fabuloso, but if you put it on the stove and boil it, your whole house smells.

[Jason Rodriguez]

I think that's y'. All. I've heard that, too.

[Mandy B]

But you think it's us, right?

[Jason Rodriguez]

I think. I think y' all pioneers.

[Jason Lee]

It's not a bad method.

[Aaron A. King Howard]

I never use it, but it makes sense.

[Jason Lee]

But it makes sense how?

[Aaron A. King Howard]

I might have to do that.

[Mandy B]

But yeah. Okay, so am I ignorant, or is this a. A generational or what? Is it an American ignorance that we can all accept that we want espanols to clean our house? Should I be calling them espanols?

[Jason Lee]

Probably not. But here we are.

[Mandy B]

Because they could be Dominican, Puerto Rican, Mexican, Just Espanols all around.

[Jason Lee]

Well, here's what it speaks to. Honestly, here's what I say it speaks to probably more than anything, is that people who come here from other countries, immigrants, they're cleaner than us. Not even.

[Aaron A. King Howard]

It's not even.

[Jason Lee]

It's not even the cleaner. It's taking pride in your work, whatever work you do. I put in a hard day's work. This is my job. I try to do it to the best of my ability. I show up here every day, I bust my ass. I get it done. I try to do it the right way.

[Mandy B]

Yeah. Americans, like.

[Jason Lee]

Americans want shortcuts. Yeah.

[Mandy B]

They like to cut.

[Jason Lee]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Mandy B]

And yeah. I want no corner unwiped. Okay?

[Jason Lee]

Wipe all my corner. Clean all my.

[Mandy B]

Clean it all.

[Aaron A. King Howard]

And Maria's mom. Is she probably Maria's mom?

[Mandy B]

I did not call them Maria. I'd rather say Espanol than Maria.

[Aaron A. King Howard]

Espanol is crazy Espanola. But no, the. The subject mom probably taught her at a young age. How to get in every nook and cranny. Really. How to clean. Whereas the short.

[Mandy B]

Oh, let's be very clear. That's why a black man. Bro, I'm.

[Jason Rodriguez]

Now go ahead.

[Mandy B]

Because. What? Black mom. Oh, and sorry, y'. All.

[Jason Rodriguez]

Sorry, man. You about to say something crazy.

[Mandy B]

Are teaching their young black boys how to literally elbow grease do dishes. Really? Yes. So how come y' all forget when y' all grow up?

[Aaron A. King Howard]

Because no, we. So look, I'm gonna drop. That's correct.

[Jason Rodriguez]

Man.

[Mandy B]

Well, ignorant conversations. I didn't been to enough grown man's homes. Hold on. And for the ladies listening, who date men and have to go to a man's home that doesn't have the touch of a woman. Bro, between the bathroom, the kitchen, and. I'm not even talking about how you interior decorate and things. There are ways that. In which. Throughout my 20s and even into my 30s. Well, no, I was with a man in my 30s. Like, was in a relationship. But throughout my 20s, when I was going over men's homes that lived by themselves, it was like, yuck.

[Aaron A. King Howard]

The ceiling fan was.

[Mandy B]

It was good.

[Jason Rodriguez]

It's not even.

[Mandy B]

It was like the other, like, dust. Okay, you know, maybe you're not dusting the ceiling fan, but in terms of as a grown man, why does your home look like this? And why, after I'm supposed to suck your dick and do everything else, I'm being judged as to why I'm not cleaning your house. Like, that's been a constant thing. Even men with money, Right? Like, when I used to get flown out, a man would be like, oh, I'm not wifey material. Because when he go to practice and come back, the house ain't clean. Why are you flying me into a dirty house?

[Jason Lee]

That's valid, though.

[Mandy B]

And so, like, okay, it sounded brash when I started it off. I get it. But no, yeah.

[Aaron A. King Howard]

I do have. I know people gonna be in Mandy.

[Mandy B]

Oh, wait.

[Aaron A. King Howard]

Because I like to do that.

[Mandy B]

That's fine.

[Jason Rodriguez]

You work hard.

[Aaron A. King Howard]

You work hard. You work to get to that place where you can do these things. There's no foul, no harm, no foul there. So you should be entitled to have these services. However. However ignorant.

[Jason Lee]

Take.

[Mandy B]

The fact that you lean back.

[Jason Rodriguez]

Let it fly king.

[Aaron A. King Howard]

And I mean this in the most.

[Mandy B]

I want you to be more ignorant.

[Aaron A. King Howard]

I don't want people to be listening like, oh, so what you trying to say? You might have blocked your own blessing. That could have been your soulmate.

[Jason Rodriguez]

I was thinking the same thing. You could have got your house clean and content.

[Aaron A. King Howard]

He probably drawing up some good conversations with her. And then she would have found out. Oh, he has.

[Jason Rodriguez]

Absolutely.

[Mandy B]

Do you think I talked to my cleaners?

[Aaron A. King Howard]

Well, you had to if you're gonna be there.

[Mandy B]

No, I don't want to talk to the person just cleaning my home.

[Jason Lee]

Well, she worried that her drawers are gonna end up on ebay. That's what it comes. See what I mean? It could be that that's what she's worried about. But I will say this, though. When I was single, boy, I was notorious. If I go to a woman's house and I go to the bathroom.

[Jason Rodriguez]

Oh, man.

[Jason Lee]

Peeling back that shower curve. Peeling back that shower.

[Jason Rodriguez]

What did you find? What did you find, Josh?

[Jason Lee]

Soap scum. Oh, makeup. Makeup marks.

[Mandy B]

Makeup.

[Jason Lee]

A drain full of hair.

[Mandy B]

That's not bad.

[Aaron A. King Howard]

What about the razor? The razor with the thing is not clean.

[Jason Lee]

It might be a new razor and a rusty razor right next to each other.

[Mandy B]

So what, we forgot to throw the old one away?

[Jason Lee]

Nah, nah, nah.

[Mandy B]

It's not as bad as what a man's bathroom. We not. We not doing that.

[Aaron A. King Howard]

I'm pretty sure you should.

[Jason Lee]

However, I want to eat the pussy of a rusty razor shave.

[Mandy B]

Okay, but maybe that's just sitting there. You know what's crazy about that, though? You know what's crazy about that? Bringing up. We all went to one music fest together. And what's crazy is I walked into the man's bathroom because the woman's line was way too long.

[Jason Lee]

I seen that, too. I seen. When you walked out.

[Mandy B]

Yeah. Shut up. I will say, in terms of public restrooms. Oh, yeah, women. Women's public restrooms are the most. I can't believe I eat pussy when I go into those restrooms. It is the most disgusting place.

[Aaron A. King Howard]

I haven't heard a woman that says it.

[Mandy B]

No, no, no. It is one of the most disgusting places ever. And, like, ever. And I don't understand why women, when they go out in public and have to use the restroom, why. Apparently they don't understand the concept of. Of wiping their seats, rolling up their pads, double flushing if there's still blood or remnants left in it, is. It is the most foulest place. Like, I know everybody just did the. The haunted houses and during Halloween. I know that I can't think of actually, in my head, something more disgusting than the public female restroom.

[Jason Lee]

Well, this is why dicks are convenient, because we can have urinals. We can just step in there. We don't. And plus, y' all don't want to sit on the seat, so it's a whole body squatting on the joint all over the. Y' all don't have no control, so it's all over the place.

[Mandy B]

My knees are not strong. And if you do in the best. In the best of restrooms. Well, they have the. The. The papers.

[Aaron A. King Howard]

Papers.

[Mandy B]

Yeah, that you can. And I normally do three if they have like, the ones that are.

[Jason Lee]

Oh, yeah, yeah.

[Mandy B]

If they're already shaped like the seat. Right. Yeah, yeah.

[Jason Rodriguez]

Three stacks. It's too thin.

[Mandy B]

And then if not. Which sucks. Especially if you gotta pee real bad. I lied. I line the seats. I' ma sit. But I'm a line at first.

[Aaron A. King Howard]

No, I was saying three.

[Jason Lee]

Like.

[Mandy B]

Oh, no. It should be more than raw bear ass. No, they're ain't bad. But I'm not raw bear. I sing a seat.

[Aaron A. King Howard]

No, no.

[Jason Lee]

I just seen this Instagram video of this. I don't know what I mean. Listen. She said she was a scientist. We'll just take that with a grant or whatever it is. But the lady was trying to make an argument for the fact that. That public restroom seats are cleaner than a lot of people's cell phones. Cell phones. Or. Or in home, like bathrooms. You think is like the good bathroom? They said a lot of times the public bathroom is actually more clean.

[Mandy B]

And. Or.

[Jason Lee]

And.

[Mandy B]

Or.

[Jason Rodriguez]

That's why Mandy don't believe science, bro.

[Mandy B]

This is why.

[Jason Rodriguez]

Because.

[Aaron A. King Howard]

See what I mean? Esteban cleans the seats, then. Yeah.

[Mandy B]

No, no, no.

[Jason Lee]

But.

[Mandy B]

But not before that. Like, you got multiple asses. Mind you, white people don't even you. If they don't shave their lower legs.

[Jason Rodriguez]

They don't shave white people.

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[Jason Rodriguez]

What? And you accept it?

[Jason Lee]

And you accepted a white person?

[Mandy B]

No, no, no, no. I accepted a white person. And then she pissed me off because she thought I gave a fuck about her kid being sick. Damn, I be sounding like trash. You know what? Let's get into fucking. This is America. Let's talk about the goddamn country we live in. All right, let's start with. Let's just do the Epstein files. Trump made it seem like we should be so excited that he passed the bill to release these Epstein files again. Not only do I question science when it's proposed to us as facts, I question everything the fucking government decides to feed us, right? And so apparently we're supposed to be giving given these Epstein files and believe them to be true in nature to what apparently it is now. They are supposed to be redacting some shit, apparently. Jai, you said. You said you heard that they're pretty much gonna Redact all the Republican names and only give us the Democratic names.

[Jason Lee]

So the rumor that was going around after the House passed the vote was that. I'm sorry, after the Senate passed the vote, was that. Okay, the files are going to come out, but Republicans are going to try to redact all Republican names, any reference to anyone on the conservative side. And the only names that were going to be left were Democrat names that had some relationship with Jeffrey Epstein. But that's, that's like a, that's a. I don't believe it's true. I never heard that confirmed by any news source or anybody credible. There was just something that people started talking about on the Internet after this thing happened. But that's like, who's going to believe that? No one's going to believe that Bill Clinton was the only person that knew Jeffrey Epstein. Like we've seen.

[Mandy B]

Okay, but here, but here's my question then, with, with when it comes to the Epstein files, if there was so much damaging information and it's what's being alluded about Trump, I do like the question as to why the Biden administration just didn't release these case.

[Jason Lee]

There was an ongoing investigation.

[Jason Rodriguez]

Yeah. Say part of it was they couldn't.

[Mandy B]

Why?

[Jason Rodriguez]

Because it was an ongoing investigation.

[Mandy B]

But the died.

[Jason Rodriguez]

I know, but still the investigation.

[Mandy B]

What was the investigation? There's a list already in jail or dead. Yeah.

[Jason Rodriguez]

But their investigation also ends up being like twofold because there'll be like a House investigation and a federal investigation. And so, like, one goes on and when the other one goes on, the second one. And it's a lot of, like, bureaucratic process that makes it just drawn out.

[Jason Lee]

And not for nothing. They're trying to.

[Jason Rodriguez]

And they didn't explain that well, by the way.

[Jason Lee]

Yeah, the messaging. The messaging wasn't great on that, but they're trying to. But now Republicans are trying to run this same thing because now they're saying, oh, well, Trump is going to demand the DOJ have another investigation.

[Mandy B]

So it's like, here's my question about this, too. The Epstein files. Epstein died when 2019. So 2019 it is 2025. Right. He was locked up prior to that. In terms of a lot of sex crimes. And it's what we talk about a lot.

[Jason Rodriguez]

Convicted prior to that, too.

[Mandy B]

Yes, but that's my thing. There's a statute of limitations on a lot of sex crimes. Right. And so if what we're deeming to be unraveled in this, in these Epstein files, what does it matter this much longer outside of public opinion but outside of public opinion, a lot of people that would assumably be in these files can't be charged for the crimes that.

[Jason Rodriguez]

Are, I think, but I think, I think monetary lawsuits, right? Like, I think, I think it's like family members and some of the victims still.

[Mandy B]

Because they're like, they're coming out saying that they're in these files.

[Jason Rodriguez]

Yeah, but there's still, there's still like shame that exists, right? Like, like Trump, like, like Trump's superpowers. Like he has no shame, right? Like he says, wild and right. He doesn't go down. But like some people, like this is dude Larry Summers who's like the typical like Republican Trump. Yeah, like big donor. He used to be the president of Harvard. He was like the head of like economic committees in the White House. He's like classic like Republican dude. And so like he was in the files because he was emailing Epstein trying to get advice on like how to date this young girl, right?

[Jason Lee]

And so like a girl that works for him.

[Jason Rodriguez]

A girl to work for him. There's like, there's like a little bit.

[Mandy B]

Of shame, but of age.

[Jason Rodriguez]

Of age, but too young for him. Right. And so nothing illegal, but he still has like that, that old school shame. And so like he resigned from the job that he had right now. Like that was like the old school way shit used to work.

[Jason Lee]

And also like people now, like people.

[Jason Rodriguez]

Is like impervious to that shit. Like they're just going to keep like talking through it.

[Jason Lee]

Well, that's the thing about it, right? There's, there is that impression that, that, you know, obviously we know Trump doesn't really have a lot of shame, but people under Trump still do. There's a lot of Republican names that, that aren't Trump or Ted Cruz or people who we see talked about in the news every day that probably don't want they shit on the street.

[Mandy B]

It's crazy. But when we lean into ignorance, right, Especially of this country, we're no longer ignorant to the fact that we know old rich white men and with money and with power are kinky ass, nasty ass. Like so a lot of the things that could come out, of course they do that. Like I, I don't even think where we're at right now in 2025. I don't think we as a people would be surprised to hear what niggas is doing on islands on a time off, to be fair. It's what we're seeing like with the response from the whole diddy trial, bro, they not surprised.

[Jason Lee]

Well, no, no one, no one will be surprised. But I still think if, Well a, this was. Most of this is Trump's fault. Like he ran his campaign saying first time, the first time, first time saying that these things were going to come out. The people that he put in positions. Dan Bongino had Secret Secret Service Director Cash Patel, they know Cash Patel is FBI. Yeah. CIA. That's what it is. Dan Bongino's head of the CIA. They are on this like before Democrats was even saying anything about the Epstein files or wasn't talking about it in a mainstream kind of way. Ok. Trump's own people were on this Epstein thing because a lot of their, A lot of their, I guess conservative drain, the swamp thing is about pedophilia, Pizza gate and all that kind of that didn't just come out of a vacuum. They really want to attack and get rid of pedophiles.

[Mandy B]

Order now because it's gonna come out that way. Was really selling kids out them cabinets.

[Jason Lee]

And no one's gonna be surprised.

[Mandy B]

But we all care. I want to ask the room because for the people even listening at the end of the day, it's a whole bunch of white people that was doing some fucked up shit that we already know they were probably doing it. They, that's why they've been trying to hide it this long. Do we care?

[Jason Lee]

It's gotta come out.

[Jason Rodriguez]

We, we don't care. But we don't vote for them. Right? Like, like the people that vote for them have like their Christian values, like that Florida Christian values, I think.

[Aaron A. King Howard]

But what happens if it's all fake? What happens if you're a celebrity and you get invited and you go and you see this and over time you don't say anything, you just know it happens or whatever and then you keep your mouth shut. Then it's like, oh wow, we got these files and it's like, oh well, I was at the island before.

[Mandy B]

Yeah, but, but it's the same thing that we're hearing even with the Diddy parties, right. People are admitting I've gone to diddy parties, but I never saw the things that, you know, we're talking about. I think even it us bringing up the, the Christian values too. And I want to keep it Trump and keep it all the stuff here. It's interesting because when we talk about Christian values, I guess kids, no one gives a about that. We see what happens in the Catholic Church even. But the fact that now we're seeing this uproar or this or people being irate to see that this might be bisexual or might have had a dick or two in or around his mouth. You know what I mean? It's like, this is what y' all mad at. Like, that he might have grabbed. Grabbed some dick. He already admitted to grabbing coochie. Y' all wasn't even mad at him grabbing women by the pussy. But now he might have been around some penises. Y' all are in an uproar, which is also crazy, considering just a couple months ago, he on his goddamn plane talking about, I ain't going to heaven. So I don't know. And so even when we talk about the Trump administration leaning heavily into religious values, it's like your leader right now has also kind of shamed the parts of the religious belief system that y' all really align yourself with.

[Jason Lee]

Well, he. And he was never a Christian.

[Jason Rodriguez]

Like.

[Jason Lee]

Like, he was not. Like, he's not a he. He was a proxy for white Christian nationalists to be able to feel good about who they were voting for, who they were supporting. But that man doesn't know shit about church. Yeah, that man doesn't know about the Bible or God. Like, that's not his bag. And. And he's been a public figure now for 45 years.

[Mandy B]

And I gotta look. The only church he might have went to is the Yeezy church. Cause we know Kanye was standing beside him.

[Jason Lee]

He went to Yeezy church. He went to Jimmy Carter funeral. Outside of that, I can't tell you shit about no church that Donald Trump ever been to in his life. That's about as far as it's gonna go publicly for Donald Trump. But ultimately, like, yeah, I don't care from the standpoint of I wake up every day thinking about whether. But, yeah, I do want this shit to come out. I do want to. And the thing about it is, is that Republicans are fighting this. Democrats aren't really fighting this, and there's going to be Democratic names in there. At one point, Bill Clinton. Bill Clinton was still stumping for Kamala Harris last election. He was still. So he's still a major figure in the party. And Democrats are, at least on the face of it, are willing to say, everyone can cook. Yeah, everyone can cook. It doesn't matter if it's our team. Your team, whatever it is, everybody can get it. And I think that's what American. I think that's what the American people want. Trump ran on draining the swamp, and all his Republican people were down for it because they know that this shit is corrupt, too.

[Mandy B]

The only thing I guess I Would like, from this standpoint would be if these files go, especially seeing what just happened with the government shut down and us only having, what, eight Democratic votes, it would be that people step down that are Republican and we're able to reshift some of what's happening within before the midterms with what's happening if people step down. The only problem is too, I guess, of course, checks and balances. Does this also allow Trump to reappoint whoever steps down, or do we go into different votes? Like, this is something that I don't think we've ever witnessed to where all three branches of the government can have people impacted by these fights.

[Jason Lee]

I mean, I think some of that stuff, you cross that bridge when you get to it. But I do want to say this because we've talked about, like, all the other angles of this thing, but I do want to make sure we say this part about it. The reason that all this has happened is not really just because of Donald Trump and the Republicans who want it and not just because of the Democrats who want it. A real big reason why this is happening is because the victims are not around.

[Mandy B]

Okay?

[Jason Lee]

These people are traumatized. They've had their lives changed by this, and they are pushing the line on it. They have political backing and they have media backing. The media is not going to let this story go.

[Mandy B]

So I will say with Elon running X and whatever's happening over at Meta, I will say it has been the, the way a lot of the victims were being pushed into our faces around Bill Cosby R. Kelly and all these other things. I, myself, my algorithm, I've seen very little of the victim.

[Jason Lee]

Oh, yeah, no, yeah.

[Jason Rodriguez]

You know, you know, you know what's crazy about that, too? Like the, the, like, you know how John mentioned earlier, like, the, the pizza gate and all that, right? It's like Republicans do interesting things around, like, words and languages, right? And so, like, speaking of victims and maybe why you don't see them, a lot of what they're trying to do now is like, they're playing around with the idea of kids and young ladies, right? And so, like, Megan Kelly, like, yeah, Megyn Kelly's like, first and foremost, like, a lot of these victims are like, 14 years old. And so, like, now you'll have, like, Republican figures in media who they'll say, like, oh, these young women, right? Because they're trying to paint them as an idea. Like, these guys had kinks for young women who, because they want you to think that they were 18 and 19 and 20 and not like teenagers. Right.

[Mandy B]

Okay.

[Jason Rodriguez]

Because they're trying to, like, bury the idea. Like these. These victims are, you know, these were just fast women who are loose and, like, now they're regretting it, which I'm sure, like, that's a framework that I'm sure.

[Mandy B]

I mean, it works.

[Jason Lee]

We haven't. We didn't see these women as, like. We don't see pictures of them as little girls.

[Mandy B]

We don't.

[Jason Lee]

As grown.

[Mandy B]

Yeah, we are.

[Jason Lee]

So when they say young women, and.

[Jason Rodriguez]

Significantly, they're like 35, 45.

[Jason Lee]

Yeah. It's been 20, 25 years since a lot of this stuff happened. So now when you see their faces and you hear the words young women, for some people, to Jason's point, that would just let them like, oh, okay.

[Mandy B]

Well, not only that, when a woman is in her 30s or 40s coming out about a sexual assault, unfortunately, and it's the ignorance within our community that we see, and. And not even community, I would say society is that, well, what took you so long? So, yeah, if a girl was experiencing this level of abuse at 13, 14, 15 years old and just now coming out, speaking on it, unfortunately, the census and it's what we've seen with a lot of women who come out about their abuse is, well, why didn't you say something when it happened? And again, I think you're right. I think it's skewing what really took place, because a lot of these women were actual children.

[Jason Lee]

And hope. I don't have any faith that this will change people's lens on these type of situations. On sexual assaults, rape say that. But there's like a cognitive dissonance of conservative people, people in general, in society, but in this case, conservative people who hate Jeffrey Epstein, who think Jeffrey Epstein rightfully was a piece of. But they think that when.

[Aaron A. King Howard]

If.

[Jason Lee]

If anyone else says that, that they were abused or then it's automatic, like you said, what took you so long? Or that didn't really happen. The jump is to defend other people. But they're so confident that Jeffrey Epstein. They know for a fact that Jeffrey Epstein did this and wouldn't have any compassion for other people who come out and say they've been sexually assaulted, they've been raped, et cetera, et cetera, by other people. It becomes this. This question of, like, prove it to me.

[Mandy B]

That's. And that's. I mean, and you can't right now.

[Jason Lee]

That's just not.

[Mandy B]

It's He Savers, as she say. That's essentially what's happening here. Yeah, it sucks but it's like, but.

[Jason Rodriguez]

It'S like he say versus like they say all of these women of course. And it's still to your point.

[Mandy B]

I think it's goofy.

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[Mandy B]

But not as goofy as Nicki Minaj, who two weeks ago chose to speak at the United nations in support of the Trump administration and their concern around what's happening with the Christians in Nigeria. Yeah, it's interesting because I guess over the last couple weeks, yay. The presidents of the barbs are coming out saying they no longer support Nicki Minaj. There is, there's been a few people.

[Aaron A. King Howard]

That'S done one leader of the pack.

[Mandy B]

That, like Milan Chris, he did it. And to be fair, since she's been going on these rants over the last couple months, people have been of course noting her follower count dropping by the hundreds of thousands. So she's lost quite a bit of the support in her barbs. She is ruining her legacy is what we're seeing. And do we have a clip that we want to play? Because I know here's my issue where a lot of people are upset that Nicki Minaj went up there and spoke at the United nations on behalf of the Trump administration. However, she is allowed to have concern over a religious group that is experiencing, you know, there's a human element of.

[Jason Rodriguez]

Allegedly, allegedly, allegedly cool.

[Mandy B]

However, one of the things that people are confused about and why this is happening. And boy, not me shouting out Amanda Seals, but I was able to understand maybe what the, what's the angle here? And Amanda Seals did a great job in kind of expressing why Trump might have any sort of care about what's happening in Nigeria. And, and let's hear what she has to say. Nicki Minaj working with Trump Admin on plight of Christians in Nigeria either she's getting a check or she was MAGA the whole time, or she's genuinely thinks that she's doing something good. Which, by the way, is why y' all need to have people around you that know more than you. And by y', all, I don't just mean celebrities. Everybody, everybody should have people around them that they can consult with that think differently than you, that hold you in a place of values. Just so you understand what's happening here with the plight of Christians in Nigeria. There is a plight of Christians in Nigeria. However, the US that. What does that have to do with the United States? 0 the United States is using this. Here we go as a ploy, as a proxy to find their way into Nigeria so that they can then find their way into the Sahel states of Burkina Faso, Mali and Niger, who, as you know, are coming together to begin a process of Pan Africanism on the continent. They are taking back their resources from France. They are saying, we are going to build our own infrastructures. This undermines the global empire's goal and so they have to try and shut it down. Now, we saw earlier this year with Africom and that coon, that general who tried to say, oh, you know, they got some problems going down in Burkina Faso. They're continuing to try to make this happen the same way that they're making fetch happen in Venezuela right now. We can stop it there. And so it was really interesting because, yeah, again, we just talked about how Trump, you ain't really Christian now. You talk about the plight of Christians all the way Nigeria. Mind you, not sure if Trump or Nicki Minaj has ever even stepped foot in Nigeria. You know what I mean? And so, I mean, we know she's been to Prague. Can you even spell it? But, but, but I'm not Sure. If she's gone to Nigeria. And so even her having this, even if she. She had a spiritual awakening to care about this plight that's happening on the. The continent of. Of Africa and what's happening across these. These different countries, I'm like, girl, you are standing next to someone who is going against not only people of color, but immigrants, mind you, you are from Trinidad. So you are aligning yourself with someone who not only goes against many a lot of people of color, you're also going against someone who is against LGBTQIA rights, which, in fact is your fan base.

[Aaron A. King Howard]

Also, just to stay on Trinidad real quick, Venezuela is right there. And it's an issue between Venezuela and Trinidad right now that I believe looks like it's to be exploited. And that. And that's why it's like, why.

[Mandy B]

When people.

[Aaron A. King Howard]

There's usually something, a precursor to that, like we've had some kind of sample size that suggests that she cares or anyone in that position, I don't think.

[Jason Rodriguez]

But that's why. That's why it's such a good con, right? Like the whole. Because, because, like, the way that she, like, defends herself, she's like, like, like, you guys don't care about people.

[Mandy B]

Yeah.

[Jason Rodriguez]

You don't care about Christians. And so it's like, it's a good con that, like, Republicans use with that. That's why, like, Christians get played, right? So it's like Trump doesn't care about a church or any of that stuff, but he knows that, like, if he says a couple of these words and like waves of magic wand, like, this group is going to get activated. And so, like, for. For Nikki, who's probably just. We know she's like doom scrolling just like all of us. Like, you know, she's just looking and she's like, oh, my God, these Christians are in trouble. Like, and. And then it's like, it's like wording, right? It's like, who are the Christians in trouble from? Muslims, right? So then, like now it makes it so easy to kind of like activate like that certain base in the US to then turn on them and care.

[Mandy B]

About Christians who, for the most part. And yes, I'm gonna say I don't give a. Do not care about the LGBTQIA+ community because it goes against their religious beliefs, who, oddly enough, are the biggest supporters of Nicki Minaj. So who are we activating here? Who are we actually acting like cares like. And for her to act like she. She does care, it goes against this religious essential group that goes against Everyone who supported you damn near your entire career.

[Jason Lee]

Well, the, the whole thing on both sides, it just, it makes your like cynicism senses tingle, right? Because on the government side, I don't like the government. At least under this administration, I won't. I'll try to cast a smaller net than I was about to, but at least under this administration, I don't believe in any altruistic agenda that this government has. They're not trying to help people. They're not looking out for the well being of others. That's not the reason that they're doing this.

[Jason Rodriguez]

Right.

[Jason Lee]

On Nikki's side of it, I agree with you. I think she is being used. But I think the. I think her willingness to be used is honestly just because it's for her. It's like a good look in her mind. Because when else would Nicki Minaj be attached to the White House or the New York?

[Mandy B]

I mean, I ain't gonna lie. Maybe she. Maybe she want her rapist brother to be parted.

[Jason Lee]

Maybe, maybe so.

[Jason Rodriguez]

Maybe.

[Jason Lee]

You know what I mean? But like for her, I get. I'm Nicki Minaj. I get to stand up in front in this prestigious position and talk about something like Christianity. Like, she probably looks at it like this is. This is a win, win situation for her. I get a good look and I get to talk about Christianity. How can anyone be mad at me for this?

[Mandy B]

It's interesting because it brings it. You saying that immediately made me think of the Philadelphia. The Philadelphia Eagles and the players who chose not to go to the White House. You know what I mean? Here we go. All right.

[Jason Lee]

However, all right.

[Jason Rodriguez]

The defending super bowl champion Philadelphia Eagles.

[Mandy B]

But it reminds me of that as Saquon, as someone who's.

[Aaron A. King Howard]

I mean, I love Saquon, but again, I mean him in homeboy, I'm like, what is it?

[Mandy B]

All skin folk ain't kinfolk? And so you do still have black people who feel like being on that podium is.

[Jason Lee]

It's important. Good for me to be that. You know, and with like. And even. And like this is probably going to piss off the barbs too. But like the difference between her and Cardi is that like to your. It was. It's you or Jason that talked about like you would. You would have seen some precursor. A precursor to this behavior.

[Mandy B]

Like Cardi speaks on politics.

[Aaron A. King Howard]

I'm glad you mentioned her.

[Jason Rodriguez]

Let's go.

[Jason Lee]

She said these things on her lives on her Instagram all the time. Cardi standing up there with Kamala Harris. As much as people want to Denounce the idea of bringing celebrities and rappers into the DNC or whatever.

[Mandy B]

She cares.

[Jason Lee]

You can tell she cares about this stuff. And she thought about this a long time.

[Mandy B]

Since she was, since she was on the polar star.

[Jason Rodriguez]

No, 10 years ago. She interviewed Bernie Sanders 10 years ago.

[Mandy B]

And so it's, it's interesting. You're right. We've not seen Nicki Minaj be vocal.

[Jason Lee]

In any way politically about anything. And like, even when I watch, I didn't watch the whole thing. I watched enough of it just to get an idea of how she performed. And the first thing she said, she got up there, you know, I'm very nervous. Okay, fine, I get it. You're nervous. You're standing in front of. But also, if you care this deeply about something, even if I was nervous, if something was really on my heart and there was a hundred thousand people in the crowd, I could still be able to speak and.

[Aaron A. King Howard]

Yep.

[Jason Lee]

From my heart and be convincing and talk to people as if I know that I give a facts. Sitting there reading a paper about this speech about Nigerians and Christians and how this thing, it just doesn't come off as genuine in any way, shape or form. So it's just like that, that whole thing. I think it's just. I think she just wants the look.

[Aaron A. King Howard]

Of saying she's performing.

[Mandy B]

I mean, I mean, I just, I just wish that wasn't the case.

[Jason Rodriguez]

Is she performative or does she get played?

[Mandy B]

No, both. I mean, she's unwell.

[Aaron A. King Howard]

You say a lot. Everybody got a price.

[Mandy B]

Oh, for sure. But that's what I'm saying. We don't know if it was the check, if she was promised to pardon, if she genuinely. Like, we don't know because. Because we don't know. The same way celebrities don't get paid to perform at the super bowl or they don't get paid. Like, we don't know if this was paid or if she just got the invite and was so excited to be behind that podium and. And have that look. We don't know why she of all.

[Aaron A. King Howard]

People chose no reaction within the United nations or when she said that speech. Did you see anything?

[Jason Lee]

Oh, no, I didn't see any reaction. I mean, listen, it's almost like she.

[Aaron A. King Howard]

Was in a room by herself.

[Jason Lee]

Yeah. Because the people in the room that she's talking to don't respect her. The people that wanted her to come on there to say that don't respect her.

[Mandy B]

I mean, it's the same way.

[Jason Lee]

Everyone's playing again, but we saw Trump.

[Mandy B]

Next to fucking Wayne and next to Kodak. And it's all goofy.

[Jason Lee]

No, it's all goofy. But it's all for looks they don't trump. Doesn't give a damn about what happens to Wayne or give a damn about what happens to Kodak. And, and somebody. What it was is somebody probably at the UN who is on their media team saw these. Nikki saying these tweets and was just like, oh, let's get her up here. Here's an opportunity.

[Mandy B]

Yep, that's, that's what it was. That's what it was.

[Jason Lee]

And she was gonna go, she wasn't gonna say no because this is an opportunity for me to be in this prestigious place.

[Mandy B]

That's what I'm saying. She seemed like she was just so excited to be mentioned on the White House page and social media page because they did her little tick tock trend that they're like, oh, she'll come up here. That's what I'm saying. I don't even know if it was for a bag. Don't even know if it was far back.

[Jason Lee]

It's all foolish.

[Mandy B]

Well, let's get into. Celebrities say the darnest things because they do. Look at me. I'm already signed. I'd be so annoyed. Play this clip. So the game recently sat down on. It's the show that. I don't know what this show is.

[Jason Rodriguez]

It's, it's a Kirk Franklin show.

[Mandy B]

Well, and it's Men.

[Aaron A. King Howard]

Oh, Den of Kings.

[Mandy B]

Den of Kings. And it's. And it's men who sit around and talk about their mental health. Let's go ahead and play this clip. You might have to chop it up because it's kind of long. But let's, let's, let's, let's play this shit.

[Jason Lee]

Sometimes, like when I was in my 20s and my 30s, it was just exchange, you know what I'm saying? That was. Hey, hey, I'm giving you this. We having our moment and I'm get back to my life. You get back to yours. No emotions because you're young. Everybody got their whole life ahead of them. When you get in your 40s, man, you start feeling like you womanizing and you. And I'm taking emotions home with me or she's taking emotions out the door with her. If you are, you know, living that type of lifestyle. And I, I'm, I'm like not sleeping good after that because I feel like, like I had no pure intentions for this person. And this person is also late, you know, 30s or you know, mid-30s and they got a Life.

[Mandy B]

And.

[Jason Lee]

And so, like, when you got. You know, when you're young and you're dealing with a young woman, ain't nobody tripping. It's all good. But when you're older and you know that that woman has trauma from her past relationship and all of that, and you know, you. Dinner is cool. Going out on the date is cool. But then once you start getting intimate with people and you know for sure that they are invested in you even a little bit, and you know you have no. You know, you. You know, you ain't talking to this person after tomorrow, man. You.

[Jason Rodriguez]

You.

[Jason Lee]

You carry like, you know, you start feeling it.

[Mandy B]

Thank you for cutting off Matt Barnes, because that's the last person we want to hear from with this conversation. The man who at the top of the year, just cheated on his wife with eight women within 30 days, all found out by a private investigator. By the way, that. Let's not. That's a tough one. Let's cut. I don't care that he's on the Black effect network. I don't give a.

[Aaron A. King Howard]

You got cousins that do.

[Mandy B]

He is in well into his 40s, still cutting the up. Yeah, I don't give a.

[Jason Rodriguez]

That is a theme.

[Mandy B]

I'm glad that you cut off while he was like, yeah, man. Yeah, you.

[Jason Rodriguez]

You know, that clip reminds me of. Do y' all remember.

[Mandy B]

By the way, not only is this a table, first off, let's talk about the messengers. The game is saying this. Yeah, the game who, if you guys are unaware, just welcomed a new baby into the world with Evelyn Lozada's daughter.

[Aaron A. King Howard]

Congrats.

[Mandy B]

The same man who publicly was out here full blown, fresh out of teenage years. Then we have Matt Barnes. I already said what I had to say about Barnes. Not sure about Deon Cole or big boy who's also at the table. But then we have motherfucking Kirk Franklin, who don't like his gay son.

[Jason Rodriguez]

So this table, we taking shots at Kirk too, bruh.

[Mandy B]

So it's like these group of men. Can I trigger you that well into their 40s? You could trigger me after I get. I've already triggered.

[Jason Rodriguez]

As I said, she's going.

[Mandy B]

Because what this clip essentially is saying to all the women out there, you bet you if you dealing with a under 40, he gonna waste your time. Yeah, because these don't know no better. But then also based on the table, when they in their 40s, they still going to waste your time, sis. Because what are we talking about? Like, at. At his big age of 40, Evelyn Lozada's daughter still don't have a ring on her finger. You made her a baby mama.

[Jason Rodriguez]

Yeah.

[Mandy B]

Another one, another one, another one. Like, in terms of Matt Barnes, you left your. You have a wife right now who's now a single mother, divorce, say, of five children that she's now raising by herself.

[Jason Rodriguez]

I feel like worse than the action is like, the. The. Like, the. Almost like the reward he wants for the awakening. Like, it reminds me of, like, the Chris. Oh, my God. But that's what he wants. It's like that Chris. It's like that Chris Rock routine where he's like, I take care of my kids.

[Aaron A. King Howard]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Jason Rodriguez]

And it's like he wants an applause for. And that's like, yo, that's a baseline.

[Mandy B]

You want an applause for the acknowledgment. But. But if you.

[Jason Rodriguez]

That wasn't that deep.

[Mandy B]

If you genuinely. If you genuinely felt like that, if you genuinely knew better, you do better, and you wouldn't have just made another baby. Mind you, I think Evelyn Lozada's daughter might be 31, so. Still early 30s. Let me look that up. Actually, I'm gonna look it up. I'm look it up.

[Jason Lee]

Well, here's.

[Jason Rodriguez]

But he's 45, and, like, there's something he should like. Again, good. Good statement. He said, much better if it was, like, 13 years ago.

[Jason Lee]

Well, that's the problem, right?

[Mandy B]

Shanice, by the way, just turned 32.

[Jason Lee]

Okay, well, yeah, but. But that's what I was gonna say. Jay, is that, like. Yeah, he didn't say. He didn't say anything wrong, but you have to consider the messenger, because I guess my question is, like, okay, what does those words sound like a good thing? But, like, I think what we got to get to in society in general, when people say things that. Okay, yeah, that sounds like the right thing to do, but what does that look like in practice? In practice and in practice, I guess my question is if I came up to the game and was like, hey, nigga, where the hoes at? Oh, he know you would point me to the hoes. If I said, hey, game, I got.

[Jason Rodriguez]

Something, he would say, follow me.

[Jason Lee]

Follow me. Come, come, ride. You a Jason. I'm a Jason. Let's go.

[Mandy B]

By the way. By the way, you selling it now. I do like the game, right? This isn't. No, no, no. Here you go.

[Jason Rodriguez]

That was, like, episode three.

[Mandy B]

I like the game. I like his music. If this was on mute, I would still watch it because he looks good. He's a fine brother. But to me, again, Back to messenger. At the age of 45 at this shared table of men, I just feel like we're in an echo chamber of men knowing how to say the things that maybe we want to hear. Again, the acknowledgment of it is there, you know, it, but the practice is not. Yeah, we're not seeing men execute or practice the things that they actually know. Which is why when I, when I opened up, I was like, damn, a lot of these do know that they know. So it's not like it's not. What it is is selective ignorance. Here you go. You know better. You genuinely don't choose to do better. And in terms of dating and wasting women's time, this is a constant thing. It's what kind of. And I don't know if we even got to talk about it, but it's the same conversation around Big Sean being with janae aiko for 10 years and not doing what. You know what I mean?

[Jason Rodriguez]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Aaron A. King Howard]

I want to bring our big sister Grace.

[Mandy B]

Here we go. I don't like that hoe. I know, but we don't even got the same daddy, so I don't know why you keep wanting to bring that bitch around.

[Aaron A. King Howard]

But look, what if the game perspective has changed in how he maybe had a self reflective moment in that interim of having another child where he's able to sit on the platform now and say, hey, I'm evolved, I'm done, I'm doing the work. Maybe he's in therapy, maybe that's how he's able to and to articulate that. But to your point, I think we still have to. Now that he put that out there, let's see what happens the next 12.

[Jason Lee]

Months, how it goes. Because you have to live that.

[Aaron A. King Howard]

Right? And that's the thing, because once you put yourself out there now saying that you corrected your ways and you have compassion and you understand where you landed with these women previously, then I want to see the growth. Now I want to see the growth.

[Jason Rodriguez]

The growth would have been him saying that and then also saying like, and we're engaged and we're engaged and we're gonna have a family. What's the example?

[Jason Lee]

Right?

[Aaron A. King Howard]

Because there's other, there's other kids, other gentlemen, young men that follow him that, that hold his words to a high.

[Mandy B]

Standard, but to reach this place of, of awareness at 45, that's that.

[Jason Rodriguez]

Right?

[Aaron A. King Howard]

And that's where.

[Mandy B]

Yeah, Bruh.

[Jason Rodriguez]

With a 32 year old girlfriend, like, like my, you know, my thing is, it's like when, when again the, the.

[Mandy B]

Notion we don't know if that's his girlfriend.

[Jason Rodriguez]

What he said was, what he said was good, right? Like in a vacuum, what he said was good. When, when men say this, the part that pisses me off the most about it is like, yo, like, men know how to, like men like him know how to get pussy, right? And that's different. And that. Right, but that, but that's different than, like getting a companion. That's different than getting a companion or starting a family. And it's like if, like just knowing women, right? Like the, the, if you have kids or, and Game has kids. So he knows this.

[Mandy B]

Yeah.

[Jason Rodriguez]

If you're a woman and you're over 35 and you're pregnant, that's considered high risk, right? And so again, like the Big Sean and the Janae Aiko, it's like men will lead these women on for years and then they're like 36, 38, 42. And then they're like, peace. And then they leave and it's like, all right, cool. So now this woman has to start all over, right? Like, if she wants to start a family, it's going to be high risk. And it's like, yo, you, like when she was in like certain years where she could have had this family and listened to all the, that you were saying, like you was just bullshitting. You was just bullshitting. And now you're putting her in a position where it's just making her life harder. And so it's like for him to say that now at 45 with this 32 year old girlfriend or baby's mom, like, we don't know what it is. Like, that's why I just feel so empty. And that's why it doesn't feel like a moment where he, like educated people.

[Mandy B]

A lot of these words that are spewed onto these mics feel empty. Like, because they come again from spaces where it sounds good but it's not being practiced. And so for me, when I saw that clip, I was just like, but then again, I also was just like, damn, so do I need a skew older than 45? Like, does a man not realize like this until later?

[Jason Lee]

I think you got to take it on a case by case basis because I think there's some men who, you know, I know they might to women, they probably don't feel like plentiful in the dating pool, but I think there's some men who know they want to get married, know they want to have a family, and whether they find that person or not, at whatever age. That's up to them in the universe how they connect.

[Mandy B]

But have he. I. I want to know just because I'm in a.

[Aaron A. King Howard]

Shut your 55 year old quarter zip.

[Jason Lee]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Jason Rodriguez]

Got a quarter. It's funny. I was gonna wear a quarter zip too.

[Jason Lee]

Some call hands. Yeah. You know what I'm saying?

[Mandy B]

This is a quarter zip.

[Jason Rodriguez]

Nah, that ain't no.

[Aaron A. King Howard]

Well, if it didn't have the fur like the continuum zipper.

[Mandy B]

Oh, wait, you're talking about just the zipper that comes from the titties.

[Aaron A. King Howard]

A teacher.

[Mandy B]

That is so dumb.

[Jason Rodriguez]

A teacher? Yeah.

[Aaron A. King Howard]

Would you date a 55 year old teacher?

[Jason Rodriguez]

How about a principal?

[Aaron A. King Howard]

A principal? Yeah. He had to be a principal.

[Mandy B]

He'd have to own the school.

[Aaron A. King Howard]

Right, right. The school administrator.

[Jason Lee]

Did you see Mandy walking with a suede elbow patch?

[Aaron A. King Howard]

No.

[Jason Lee]

I can't imagine. Oh, you know what's crazy?

[Mandy B]

The last guy I was with was 17 years my senior. Senior. I don't mind older guys.

[Jason Lee]

Okay.

[Mandy B]

But also he had a lot of unlearning to do.

[Jason Lee]

Okay, but did he wear corduroy blazers?

[Mandy B]

No, he didn't wear corduroy blazers.

[Aaron A. King Howard]

You ever dated to do that with wallabies? Clarks.

[Mandy B]

I don't even know these words.

[Jason Lee]

You lived in New York.

[Mandy B]

They're trying to give you different.

[Jason Rodriguez]

Different examples.

[Mandy B]

I don't even know these words.

[Aaron A. King Howard]

We're gonna send you what? And then she probably dated somebody that wabee.

[Mandy B]

Clarks.

[Jason Lee]

Of course.

[Aaron A. King Howard]

Yeah. Wallabies is the style of it. Clarks are the brand.

[Jason Lee]

Yeah, Clark is the brand.

[Jason Rodriguez]

You know what it is?

[Jason Lee]

It's the type of shoe, for sure. You know that you.

[Jason Rodriguez]

You see in Brooklyn, like God.

[Jason Lee]

Yeah. There's no way you lived in New York.

[Mandy B]

I never even dated a guy in Brooklyn. I don't look at in Brooklyn.

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[Aaron A. King Howard]

I didn't know that.

[Jason Rodriguez]

What?

[Mandy B]

I don't like Brooklyn.

[Jason Rodriguez]

What?

[Mandy B]

Wow, that's not my ignorance. I'm aware.

[Jason Rodriguez]

Damn.

[Mandy B]

Yeah. Anyways, anyways, speaking. Speaking of Brooklyn, we're going to talk about rabbis. What?

[Jason Rodriguez]

That is a professional transition.

[Aaron A. King Howard]

Perfect location.

[Jason Lee]

Talk about rabbis is crazy. That is wild.

[Aaron A. King Howard]

Listen, don't go to Williamsburg no more. There's no fly zone for Mandy.

[Mandy B]

Listen, listen, listen. I told y', all, if y' all listen to all the episodes, like Brooklyn was the first place I saw the Hasidic Jews. Okay? I got to see the little hats with the curls and the skirts and the wigs. Like that is a whole world. They got their own school buses, hospitals. Like they close down based on when they want to close down. It's crazy.

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[Jason Lee]

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[Mandy B]

But let's get into our thoughts. Young Thug recently sat with a rabbi. We've also seen other celebrities do this as well, such as Kanye, Kyrie. I wasn't aware of Dasan, Dasan D, Sean Jackson, which again is another former eagle, Azalea Banks. We just don't even need to talk about her ass. We kind of can because she doing some goofy too. But Young Thug sat, visited a rabbi and asked for a spiritual reset. This was after clearly his release recently of prison. And we have a clip for this.

[Jason Rodriguez]

Yeah, the audio is funny, but let's play it here.

[Mandy B]

This is crazy.

[Jason Rodriguez]

Who.

[Mandy B]

Who's talking?

[Jason Rodriguez]

That's the music there, but it's just, it's just him talking to Rabbi Yoshi. Yahoo Yos.

[Jason Lee]

Are they holding hands?

[Jason Rodriguez]

Yes.

[Mandy B]

Wait, wait a second. Wait a second. Is there talk? Is there? First off, you know it's on mute. Or is it just music playing? Is that.

[Jason Rodriguez]

No, it's just music playing. Every clip of this is just Music playing. You can't. They. They did it so you can't hear it across the.

[Mandy B]

What language are they speaking? Because the rabbi doesn't speak English. Right?

[Aaron A. King Howard]

The guy right there that's above his shoulder, he's translating.

[Mandy B]

Translating?

[Aaron A. King Howard]

Yeah. He's the same guy that was in the Yeezy. The Yeezy? The Kanye, when he visited the rabbi.

[Jason Lee]

How you say whoop dee doo in Hebrew?

[Mandy B]

Whoop dee doo.

[Aaron A. King Howard]

I'm translating right now. He's telling him, you know, I thought that you could practice, like, Santeria. There's other ways. Not saying that. That's not an effective way. I just don't know too much about.

[Mandy B]

But with the spiritual reset, does this mean they're becoming Jewish?

[Jason Lee]

I don't know.

[Mandy B]

What, are they converting?

[Jason Lee]

Well, you know what? Let me go back with Kanye.

[Aaron A. King Howard]

He was asking for atonement for things he said about the Jewish community.

[Mandy B]

He was asking for forgiveness.

[Aaron A. King Howard]

Right, Forgiveness. And he was, you know, trying to correct his.

[Mandy B]

Trying to get right with God that I get right. What the fuck is. What is Thug doing? Because I thought, okay, this is gonna be ignorant.

[Jason Rodriguez]

Go ahead, let it rip.

[Mandy B]

Shouldn't he be going to, like, Muhammad Allah?

[Jason Rodriguez]

That's what I was saying.

[Jason Lee]

Rappers, like, Farrakhan is tied.

[Aaron A. King Howard]

I gave y' all games.

[Jason Rodriguez]

He said, go to him.

[Jason Lee]

Because I'm like, how did Farrakhan lose his job? That used to be the regular thing. Like, if you was a rapper and you got woke, you went to go sit with Minister Farrakhan and you got your life, right? And you start moving.

[Mandy B]

He changed his number.

[Jason Lee]

Like, something.

[Jason Rodriguez]

That's weird.

[Mandy B]

This is confusing.

[Jason Rodriguez]

Yeah, it's confusing. I was. I was. I just finished this book on John Singleton that my homeboy wrote, and there's a chapter with John Singleton, same thing. Like, was going through some. And he went to a rabbi instead of going to, like, a different type of minister. And I was confused when I got to that chapter. I was like, why would he just go to a rabbi? Like, why wouldn't he go to somebody in his own denomination? Like that.

[Jason Lee]

That's.

[Mandy B]

But also, what happened to confusing? Okay? And maybe they align with their religion. But the Christian religion amongst us, I. I feel like it's still Christian and then Muslim for. For our community. Not you, Jason. Yeah, but for black people, right?

[Jason Rodriguez]

We can't. We're super Catholic.

[Mandy B]

Oh, you're Catholic. You're the third one, I guess. But why they're going to these outside religions that they're least familiar with that their family members and friends probably are Least familiar with. Like, why. Why aren't they going to a past?

[Jason Rodriguez]

Mandy, do you think they feel less judged if they go outside of their own denomination?

[Mandy B]

I. But that doesn't make sense to my. Me either. Like, in terms of. In terms of what your religious belief system is or what you've probably been raised around, you would. You should feel more inclined to go to that religion to ask for forgiveness or to have a spiritual reset the same way. Who did we just see? Or maybe it was just like one of those influencers. I just saw a grown man get baptized. Right. Or you go and pledge your allegiance to the church. Like, those are. Are ways that.

[Jason Lee]

What, Pledge allegiance to the church.

[Aaron A. King Howard]

How disrespectful is it that all these mega.

[Mandy B]

You know what I was about to be.

[Aaron A. King Howard]

All these megachurches in Atlanta.

[Jason Rodriguez]

Yeah.

[Jason Lee]

You didn't go get TD Jakes. You didn't go get Pastor Jamal Brown.

[Mandy B]

You ain't.

[Jason Lee]

You didn't go to Creflo$.

[Jason Rodriguez]

Y' all wouldn't think it's like. Like. Like a therapist where it's like you're trying to find your.

[Mandy B]

First off, we know he don't believe in therapy.

[Aaron A. King Howard]

He probably listens to that.

[Jason Lee]

He probably taking your advice.

[Aaron A. King Howard]

But he just went to the.

[Mandy B]

He went to a rabbi.

[Jason Rodriguez]

But I wonder, like, Klepto dollar probably knows who he is, so he's probably like, I'm gonna go the farthest away from somebody who don't know who I am, who can't.

[Aaron A. King Howard]

But why publicize it then? Spiritual.

[Jason Rodriguez]

That's a good question.

[Mandy B]

Thug going away. I choose my cleaners. Let me go to these niggas who don't speak English. Let me go to these niggas who don't listen to my music because they.

[Jason Rodriguez]

Gonna do the job.

[Mandy B]

Cause they gonna do the job.

[Jason Lee]

But also, is it a thing? Like, again, this is me being, like, Captain Cynical. But, like, in this time period, is there a chance that Thug just thinks, let me align with someone Jewish and that will some. I mean, if he's one of these niggas, who. And I can see Thug being one of these niggas. Is he one of these niggas who think that, like, okay, Jews run the world, Jews run the bank, Jews run everything. So these are the most powerful people. So I need to be with Ignorant Tape.

[Mandy B]

I mean, which is essentially. Let's be very clear, which is essentially what we see Floyd Mayweather doing.

[Jason Lee]

Oh, he gave it up. Way worse.

[Aaron A. King Howard]

And earlier, too. He did it. He was doing it for a while now.

[Mandy B]

Yeah.

[Jason Lee]

Him him and Eric Adams are fighting to be the most Jewish niggas in America right now because they both wild out.

[Aaron A. King Howard]

I served you as a New York mayor, bro. But bigger than that, I'm your brother, bro.

[Jason Lee]

You were the mayor of New York. You didn't serve Israel as the mayor of New York.

[Aaron A. King Howard]

What do you do to her point, Williams?

[Mandy B]

Nah. I mean, Brooklyn. Brooklyn has the biggest Israeli population outside of Israel.

[Jason Lee]

Oh, I'm sure.

[Mandy B]

Literally.

[Jason Lee]

But they in Brooklyn. They not in Israel. He didn't serve.

[Aaron A. King Howard]

He didn't go to Brooklyn. Right. He didn't go to Bedford Avenue and say, hey, right.

[Mandy B]

You right. You're right.

[Jason Rodriguez]

Yeah. It's still New York's interest.

[Mandy B]

Yeah.

[Jason Lee]

So it's just like, I don't understand why you have to go that far.

[Mandy B]

I don't get it.

[Jason Lee]

Have you ever had, like, a white homie who was, like, too eager to, like, defend black honor?

[Mandy B]

I mean, to me, like, people accuse.

[Jason Lee]

Rosenberg of this a lot. Right? Like, Rosenberg, something will happen in the black community. Rosenberger goes super hard, and it's like. I don't know if you believe what you're saying or not, but you're just going so hard that it almost becomes caricature. Ish. To where it's like, okay, not that you shouldn't say the right thing, but, like.

[Aaron A. King Howard]

Misinterpretation.

[Jason Lee]

Right there. Like, it's like you working overtime to prove that you're down. And I'm just like, bro, you ain't got to do all of that.

[Mandy B]

It's just interesting. I'm looking up right now to the musical references of a prayer or God in Thug's work, because I feel like he has aligned himself with Christianity and a God.

[Jason Lee]

He never said Yahweh, not one time, I promise you. Thug has never said Yahweh, by the.

[Mandy B]

Way, which is also crazy, crazy safe. He literally thanks God and thanks Allah. So there's two religions that you could have leaned on, and you chose to go be with the rabbi, make it make sense.

[Aaron A. King Howard]

And I also.

[Jason Rodriguez]

He said, y' all know me. Y' all know where I live.

[Mandy B]

Something on God. There's a lot of records where he talks to God.

[Aaron A. King Howard]

As a big rap fan, I don't believe a lot of these rappers when they mention Allah. I think they just be saying it because it fit in the bar are. But I don't think they have anything.

[Jason Lee]

And it sounds weighty, right?

[Jason Rodriguez]

They don't know that. They don't know that mathematics.

[Aaron A. King Howard]

I'm saying no in the cadence of whatever they're Talking about they throw that in there adjace to some. They're not Muslim.

[Mandy B]

Look at me trying to think.

[Aaron A. King Howard]

No, it's just in the moment. Like, they'll do that. I'm like, oh, come on, stop it. Just to your point, like, you see the.

[Mandy B]

I mean, a lot of this is performing.

[Jason Rodriguez]

You gotta check them.

[Mandy B]

Today's mathematics and. And I'm mad because as a thug fan.

[Aaron A. King Howard]

Yeah.

[Mandy B]

Really wish him and a lot of these niggas would just stop showing up on my social media. Just drop the music.

[Aaron A. King Howard]

No one's making music no more.

[Mandy B]

I'm sick of the bullshit.

[Aaron A. King Howard]

They're making content, bruh.

[Mandy B]

I don't want to see you sitting with a goddamn right by. I don't want to hear you talk about therapy. I just need you. And you better have not gotten my good sister Mariah the scientist pregnant. Don't. You better not.

[Jason Lee]

I'm shocked she's not pregnant already, to be honest. Well, allegedly.

[Mandy B]

There's rumors around it.

[Jason Lee]

Oh, okay.

[Mandy B]

I'm about to say, like, I'll be pissed anyways. Before we get out of here, let's do a. Am I ignorant, Jason?

[Jason Rodriguez]

Let's do it. We doing one, two. What we doing?

[Mandy B]

We're doing one. We're doing one.

[Jason Rodriguez]

All right, so do you want to do one? Boyfriend one? Relationship one or one? A family one?

[Mandy B]

Let's do family because we get we in the holiday season.

[Jason Rodriguez]

All right, let's do a family one. Was it ignorant to refuse to split my inheritance with my cousin?

[Mandy B]

Cousins already? Yes.

[Jason Rodriguez]

Here's the scenario. Maybe not cousins, right? They said my grandfather, my grandmother passed and left me $25,000. Specifically me, not my cousins. She lived with my parents for years, and I was the one who took her to her appointments, handled her medications, and spent weekends with her. Now my cousins are demanding I share because family money should stay in the family, they said. They also said grandma was old and, quote, didn't understand finances when she wrote her will. Clearly, one of my cousins. One of my cousins even said I manipulated my grandmother into leaving it to me. I told him I'm not sharing because I actually earned the inheritance through years of caregiving, and they never offered to help her. Now the family is divided and I'm being called greedy. Was I ignorant to keep their inheritance as is, or are they ignorant for acting like they were entitled to something?

[Mandy B]

They ignorant for thinking they even entitled.

[Aaron A. King Howard]

And how many is it?

[Mandy B]

But not only that, it's only $25,000.

[Aaron A. King Howard]

That's what I'm saying.

[Mandy B]

That don't Go too far in this economy. That's like, that's like four cartons of eggs.

[Jason Rodriguez]

Okay.

[Jason Lee]

Pretty much.

[Mandy B]

Honestly, when it comes to this, cousins are never considered direct family. So in terms of wills and inheritance and stuff like that. Cousins.

[Aaron A. King Howard]

Because it's a grandmother, I guess they feel.

[Jason Rodriguez]

No, it's a grandmother, though.

[Mandy B]

No, that's still not saying.

[Aaron A. King Howard]

That's why they feel like not saying it. I think the person who.

[Jason Rodriguez]

They're all grandchildren.

[Aaron A. King Howard]

There's a caregiver, A care. A caregiver, take whatever. Then they have to hold that like, yo, we acknowledge that you took care of grandma, and it is what it is.

[Mandy B]

Plus 25 grand is like 25 grand, right? How many is we split?

[Aaron A. King Howard]

And usually when you're a caretaker, you're, you're, you're. It's for equity in terms of the time and love.

[Mandy B]

Right. I ain't gonna hold you. Play them.

[Jason Lee]

Cut.

[Mandy B]

Cut them cousins off them. Yeah, them.

[Jason Lee]

Yeah.

[Mandy B]

Literally. I don't think that, that the family. You should feel ignorant for keeping it. We are in a recession. You need every. Every goddamn coin you can get. And apparently it's not every penny anymore because they're not making those no more. But, but you need like, I'm not even gonna hold you. I hate when people feel entitled to money if it wasn't left to you. And the will literally said, this goes to me. It go to me. Y' all feeling like I'm entitled to split it with y'. All. Y' all got me up.

[Jason Lee]

Yeah. I mean, hey, it's to your point, like, it's 25 grand.

[Mandy B]

Yeah.

[Jason Lee]

Like I buy a steak or something.

[Big Loom]

Yeah, yeah.

[Jason Lee]

We go to dinner and y' all.

[Mandy B]

Can get the wagyu.

[Jason Rodriguez]

Yeah.

[Jason Lee]

Ball out. I'll go buy one million.

[Jason Rodriguez]

Yeah.

[Jason Lee]

I'll go buy y' all a two thousand dollar meal. We go sit down and eat up all the good y' all ever wanted to eat. And then we're gonna go about our.

[Mandy B]

Business and you have fun it out.

[Jason Lee]

Right?

[Mandy B]

That's all you're getting.

[Jason Lee]

Now, what I'll say is this. If the money. If there was. It was significantly more money.

[Jason Rodriguez]

Yeah.

[Jason Lee]

And you. And you do love your cousin. If they. These aren't your direct family, whatever. But if you love your cousins and Grandma leaves you $25 million, then yes.

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[Jason Lee]

Give them a couple dollars, help everybody out the way you can, and then.

[Mandy B]

25,000.

[Jason Lee]

What I'm gonna do, give you $1500. Literally $2000.

[Aaron A. King Howard]

And it probably doesn't meet the expenses that was put out oh, not at all.

[Mandy B]

Let's be very clear in terms of talking about people. And when you give them stuff, right. He could have gave them 1500, 2000. Do you know how many people would still feel like that ain't enough?

[Jason Lee]

Of course they would.

[Mandy B]

It's never enough. A lot of times when we deal with family, nothing you do is ever enough. And so the entitlement that normally comes from our family members or our close friends or even sometimes our spouses. Fuck em. The entitlement is you can never do enough for some people. People. And so again, we don't know how many cousins. We don't know what you would have given them or what would have made them feel like it. Like, did they want to bust it down equally?

[Jason Rodriguez]

You know what I mean? Yeah, I think people. I think. I think people too. It's like with your grandparents, it's like, you know, you get older in your relationship with some changes, and I think they probably have like this idea of like, what their relationship was with their grandmother, whereas, like, the person who got the money, like, they saw a much different side where they take care of them. So it's like it. To me, it's not even equal. Like, I agree. You were there at the end, all that, like, that's just part traumatic, part hard work. Like, take the bag. I agree.

[Mandy B]

Yeah, I agree. Well, you in this case are not the ignorant one. It's your cousins. But we're gonna go ahead and wrap up, I guess before we get out of here, I do want to let y' all know where I'll be for the rest of the month and shout some things out. If you are in Atlanta, Georgia, you can catch me and a king. We will have a moment at Jingle ball on the 18th at the state Farm Arena. So if you see us, speak to us. Also, if you haven't yet, make sure you get my book, no holds barred, a dual manifesto, sexual exploration and power. If you're looking to give it as a gift and you also live in Atlanta, you can get the signed copy from Wheezy and I over at the Barnes and Nobles in Buck. Buckhead. Yeah, yeah, go ahead and cop that. Go ahead and cop that. And what else did I have to say? Oh, if you are interested in joining me, y' all know I have been coined as now a carnival chaser. I am doing Kingdom Carnival in Ghana. I will be there. This is with the same group that I went to Malta with last year. So shout out to Soca Abisa. I will be there. Let me give you all the dates April 23rd to 28th go to Bizasoka to get your tickets. The link is in their bio but it's Carnival Kingdom Ghana 2026. I will be there. And again y' all are I'm really excited to y' all for y' all to be introduced to more of Jah and his thoughts. Yeah, let the people know a where they can follow you. And if you have anything going on before the year ends, you can follow.

[Jason Lee]

Me on on Twitter even though I don't really be there no more like that. But yeah, shout out to Threads. That's crazy Black Threads. Twitter turned into Walmart and Threads turned into Target.

[Aaron A. King Howard]

Before before all yeah, facts.

[Jason Lee]

But you can follow me on Twitter at Hip Hop Obama. You can follow me on instagram, instagram @misterhiphopobama. And if you clean houses, hop in Mandy's DM. Shut the up and let her know how good you clean houses.

[Mandy B]

Shut the up. And of course thank thank you all to my super producers joining me here, y'.

[Jason Lee]

All.

[Mandy B]

Make sure you rate, subscribe, follow wherever you listen to this podcast. Make sure you check it out over on the I Heart Radio app as well. And y', all, this is another episode of select of Ignorance, where curiosity lives, controversy thrives, and conversations matter. See y' all next week. Selective Ignorance, a production of the Black Effect Podcast Network. For more podcasts from iHeartRadio, visit the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you listen to your favorite shows.

[Jason Rodriguez]

Thanks for tuning in the Selective Ignorance of Mandy B. Selective Ignorance is executive produced by Mandy B. And it's a full Court Media Studio production with lead producers Jason Rodriguez, that's me, and Aaron A. King Howard. Now do us a favor and rate, subscribe, comment and share wherever you get your favorite podcast. And be sure to follow Selective Ignorance on Instagram @SelectiveIgnorant. And of course, if you're not following our host, Mandy B, make sure you're following her at Fullcourt Pumps. Now, if you want the full video experience of Selective Ignorance, make sure you subscribe to the Patreon. It's patreon.com selective ignorance.

[Mandy B]

It's your girl, Mandy B. And you just checked out my new podcast, Selective Ignorance. If you enjoyed this episode, make sure you head on over and hit that subscribe button and check out Selective Ignorance every Tuesday and every Friday wherever you listen to your favorite podcasts.

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[Mandy B]

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[Mandy B]

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[Jason Rodriguez]

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[Jason Lee]

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[Mandy B]

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[Jason Rodriguez]

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[Mandy B]

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[Mandy B]

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