Selective Ignorance: Ep. 41 | AI Vs Autonomy, Decade Old Tweets & Non-Apologies feat. Jason "Jah" Lee

Summary

Podcast Summary

Podcast: Decisions, Decisions
Episode: Selective Ignorance: Ep. 41 | AI Vs Autonomy, Decade Old Tweets & Non-Apologies feat. Jason "Jah" Lee
Date: December 9, 2025
Hosts: Mandy B., Hip Hop Obama, Jason Rodriguez (Journalism Jason), Jason “Jah” Lee
Main Topics: AI & Autonomy (review of “Pluribus”), decade-old tweets and “cancel culture,” black Twitter culture, tipping and CP time, and the ethics of calling out ignorance in family politics.

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Episode Overview

This episode of "Decisions, Decisions" kicks off the end-of-year wind-down with a tinfoil hat, candid, and hilarious roundtable. Mandy B. and the crew, including podcast OG Jason “Jah” Lee, examine key themes in Apple TV’s show "Pluribus" (AI, autonomy, happiness, and loss of individuality), rehash the ongoing “cancel culture” wars particularly around decade-old tweets, and reflect on community habits and hypocrisies (from tipping, to colorism, to being late). Along the way, they serve up personal stories, raunchy jokes, and key questions about modern society—highlighting how selective ignorance shapes culture, relationships, and ethics.

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Key Discussion Points

1. Party Dynamics, Male Entitlement & Social Cues

[08:02 – 21:46]

• Story: Mandy shares an incident at a Prize Picks party where a male friend approaches and hugs her from behind while she’s talking to rapper Toosii.
  • This disrupts a potential professional conversation and exemplifies “territorial” male behavior.
• Panel's Take:
  • The group agrees that interrupting a woman’s conversation with a hug from behind is “ignorant as fuck” (Mandy, 15:48), especially from someone who isn’t even in a close relationship with her.
  • “You can’t hug a [woman] from the back unless you ate my ass.” – Mandy B. (17:59)
  • Social cues and boundaries are missing for some men; sometimes, “common sense ain’t so common” (Mandy, 22:13).
• Broader Point: Emotional and social intelligence, especially around women’s autonomy, is often sorely lacking—and sometimes feigned ignorance is just regular-ass entitlement.

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2. Selective Ignorance in Race, Prejudice & Stereotypes

[27:04 – 34:48]

• Story: The panel discusses a viral video/skit where a woman asks a Mexican man about hot sauces, and he claps back with a stereotypical question about cornbread and watermelon to a black person, highlighting mutual bias.
• Debate:
  • Mandy highlights the “do unto others” hypocrisy: “We believe we get the pass to be completely ignorant with every other race in our biases and their stereotypes, but heaven forbid someone else... has the stereotype about us.” (31:44)
  • Panel exchanges stories of their own “selective ignorance”—from confusing Latinx foods to drawing lines between “prejudice” and “racism.”
  • The crew jokes about stereotypes but also reflects on mutual, casual racism bouncing around black Twitter and other online spaces.

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3. Tinfoil Hats: Apple TV's “Pluribus”, AI, and Autonomy

[40:03 – 78:54]

• Show Recap:
  • "Pluribus" follows Carol, a lesbian romance novelist, and 10 other “immune” survivors in a world where an “alien virus” infects humans and puts them in a perfect state of happiness—a “hive mind” that erases individuality and all suffering.
• Key Themes & Debate:
  • Losing individuality for “net positive” happiness: Would you join the hive mind? (Mandy v. Hip Hop Obama)
    • “Would you miss the hard [parts in life]? I actually would miss the hard. I don’t want a gummy.” – Mandy B. (47:41)
    • “Would you miss suffering? I guess that’s my point. I wouldn’t miss suffering.” – Hip Hop Obama (47:45)
  • Contrast of suffering and happiness: Can happiness exist without struggle?
  • AI & Technology Parallels: Scene where Carol is distressed she can’t shop in a real grocery store anymore, paralleling real-life convenience vs. loss of “ordinary” humanity.
    • Mandy: “Apparently, going to a grocery store and walking down the aisles is a part of humanity, is a luxury, is a part of... being human.” (54:44)
  • Ethics of consent/autonomy when people “can’t say no” (e.g., sexual and social boundaries erased by the virus).
  • Capitalism v. socialism, hypocrisy, individualism:
    • “It reminds me of the hypocrisy and individualism... you want to stand for something, right? But as soon as it kind of impacts [you]... you benefit from it when it matters to you.” – Mandy B. (61:10)
• Notable Quotes:
  • “Carol is a miserable person. But she writes fantasy for other people to be happy. Yeah, she’s miserable.” – Hip Hop Obama (62:04)
  • “I’m worse than diabate. Baby, the way that we be outside season two...” – Mandy B., imagining herself in a no-consent world (74:37)
• Sociopolitical Parallels: Discussion of how society collectively accepts certain harms (e.g., alcohol DUIs, fast fashion, climate change) for the sake of individual happiness.
  • “Would you stop drinking today if you knew it could save 12 to 14,000 lives a year?” – Mandy B. (72:12)
  • “No.” – Hip Hop Obama (72:23)
• Philosophical Points:
  • Individual actions have ripple effects in society (“Out of many, one”).
  • How much harm are we willing to accept for convenience or happiness?

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4. Decade-Old Tweets, Cancel Culture & Black Twitter

[84:48 – 114:41]

• Background: Mandy received an email with her decade-old tweets, mostly using the words “blacks” and “black women”—likely an attempt to “get her canceled.” She reads them on air and reacts.
• Rundown:
  • Reads and discusses tweets about colorism, black dating preferences, use of the N-word, tipping, and CP time.
  • Notable Tweets & Reactions:
    • “My preference in women isn’t black women...” – Mandy B. (87:52 tweet from 2013; doubles down, says preferences change)
    • “I’mma make it my goal in life to teach black people how to tip.” (99:00; doubles down given her service industry background)
    • “And still the first bitch here. Smh. Damn black people.” (105:47; CP time and lateness)
  • Meta-Analysis: The group parses how online culture (especially black Twitter) has evolved, how people weaponize old posts, and how apology demand culture works.
    • “This idea that we gonna hold people to the fire on tweets 10 years plus ago—shut the fuck up.” – Mandy B. (114:05)
    • “When a white person violates a black person's trust, there's only one way you can play that out... If Marjorie Taylor Greene can offer a better fake apology than you can, you look crazy.” – Hip Hop Obama (117:05)

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5. Ignorance in Families, Social Media & Politics (Listener Letter)

[119:37 – 127:15]

• Listener Scenario: Someone corrects their aunt’s political misinformation (she posted a fake viral death meme) publicly on Facebook, aunt and family get offended.
• Debate:
  • Mandy: “Let the old people enjoy their memes, their AI, their fake name. Like, people right now are having a blast with seeing these things that they think are real.” (120:42)
  • Jason: “Your niece ain’t the only person that thought you was ignorant... We all have a group chat that we know somebody is posting something... it’s like, you know you’re going to post the dumb shit.” (123:32)
• Final Advice: Sometimes it’s better to let ignorance on Facebook ride than to call it out and create family drama.

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Notable Quotes & Moments

• On social cues and entitlement:
  “You can’t hug a person from the back unless you ate my ass.” – Mandy B. (17:59)
• On automated society:
  “Apparently, going to a grocery store and walking down the aisles is a part of humanity, is a luxury, is a part of again, maybe remember when we talked about what things we would miss if the world changed?” – Mandy B. (54:44)
• On personal responsibility and hypocrisy:
  “It reminds me of the hypocrisy... you want to stand for something, right? But as soon as it kind of impacts... you benefit from it when it matters to you.” – Mandy B. (61:10)
• On Twitter culture:
  "This idea that we gonna hold people to the fire on tweets 10 years plus ago—shut the fuck up." – Mandy B. (114:05)
• On white people apologizing in Black spaces:
  “When a white person violates a black person's trust, there's only one way you can play that out... If Marjorie Taylor Greene can offer a better fake apology than you can, you look crazy.” – Hip Hop Obama (117:05)

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Important Timestamps

• (08:02–21:46): Party story, male entitlement, social boundaries, “the Michael Rubin hug”
• (27:04–34:48): Bias, racial stereotypes, the hot sauce skit, mutual ignorance
• (40:03–78:54): Apple TV’s "Pluribus", debate on hive mind vs individuality, AI & happiness, philosophical discussion of suffering & convenience, technology parallels
• (84:48–114:41): Reading Mandy’s old tweets, cancel culture, double-down vs. apology, black Twitter’s hypocrisy, “celebs say the darnedest things”
• (119:37–127:15): Listener letter — “Was it ignorant to call out Auntie's fake political meme?”, family drama, Facebook misinformation

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Tone & Style

• Consistently irreverent, hilarious, and explicit (“suck my dick from the back”), the hosts blend real social critique with raunchy humor and raw honesty—never shying away from the messy realities of being Black in America, or from dragging themselves and their own community.
• The entire cast leans into playful contradiction (“I know a kid made this t-shirt. This is Shein, bitch…”), and embodies the episode title: Selective Ignorance.

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Recurring Themes

• Selective Ignorance: How everyone “chooses” what they want to notice, call out, accept, or ignore in themselves and others.
• Hypocrisy & Evolution: Owning past mistakes, growth and learning, and why society needs to allow for change.
• Modernity & Tech: Tech’s impact on humanity, consent, and community.
• Community Ethics: Discussing, defending, and critiquing Black folkways—tipping, CP time, colorism, “calling out” versus “canceling.”
• Personal Storytelling: Every topic is grounded in real life—from Mandy’s party antics to canceled tweets.

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Conclusion

This episode delivers a riotous, nuanced, and unpretentious conversation around how we navigate personal, social, and systemic ignorance—choosing when to care and when to double down. Whether reflecting on the loss of humanity in an AI-driven future, the ethics of policing Black Twitter, or weighing the cost of happiness against communal suffering, the "Decisions, Decisions" crew keeps the dialogue messy, funny, and real.

Final words: “Selective Ignorance: where curiosity lives, controversy thrives, and conversations matter.” (128:21)

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[Mandy B.]

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[Hip Hop Obama]

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[Mandy B.]

This was a fun episode leading into the week, right before our year end wrap up that is taking place next week. So y' all make sure to tune into that. And then of course, we have a cute little Christmas episode ending out the year. Also, listen, your jobs, none of y' all are really working right now anyways.

You know what I mean? Everybody is clocked the out. So I thought that we would give you guys some entertaining conversations in your ear while you barely work your couch. Yeah.

[Hip Hop Obama]

What?

[Mandy B.]

What is it working? Barely working. But what. What is the goddamn saying?

[Jason Lee]

Are you working hard or hardly working?

[Mandy B.]

Hardly working. Harder. Hardly working. All of you nigglets are hardly working.

Anyways, y' all don't per usual, I am joined by my super producer, Gang.

[Jason Rodriguez]

Gang, Gang Gang Gang.

[Mandy B.]

Jason Rodriguez. Y' all know journalism Jason, here to bring y' all the facts, the stats, and all the things. And then we have OG Podcast legend, a king here to reel me in, really, if I'm getting too out of bounds. And then y' all welcoming yet again, a voice that you guys will learn to get familiar with, who will be joining me at the top of next year as well. Really excited to welcome Jason Lee. And we've already talked about it last week. Not that Jason Lee.

[Hip Hop Obama]

The.

[Mandy B.]

The Jason Lee.

[Hip Hop Obama]

The Jason Lee.

[Mandy B.]

Sir Jah.

Sir John.

[Jason Rodriguez]

Sir John.

[Mandy B.]

He's in the building. And I guess per usual, we're gonna start off with some conversations about how I've been kind of ignorant. Cause, baby, I have. It is really crazy because I'm actually starting a list as we come into the studio and I be having to, like, hold some for the following episode. Cause I'm like, damn, a bitch be ignorant a lot. I be like, God damn, what is wrong with your Girl, everything, maybe, but this one. I actually am not the ignorant one here. I had to call out a friend who was ignorant, and I want to hear yalls thoughts on if it has ever happened. And pretty much per usual, I'm trying to educate men here on this one. Okay. So anyways.

A couple weeks ago, I went to a prize Picks party and, you know, prize picks, what's up? Throw the bag here. This is not a sports podcast, but we could do it here. I could get.

[Jason Rodriguez]

We can still bet on things. We could bet on things.

[Mandy B.]

Listen, I could bet on which niggas look good to say, yeah, they gonna throw the ball real far. Like, what's up?

[Hip Hop Obama]

You know what I mean? Sportscast. But you be talking about balls and.

[Mandy B.]

No, no, no, no, no. And do and do. No, no, no. The crazy part about it is, is when I'm out and I. I'm watching, it's so crazy. Me and my friends are the same type of. So we'll be watching a game. We're not really watching the game, of course, but a fine will come across the screen because, you know, them helmets don't come off very often, but when they do, and then they put the little name at the bottom of the screen immediately, you got to go find their Instagram. That's what I do.

[Hip Hop Obama]

Okay.

[Mandy B.]

And then nine times out of 10, they have white wives. But. And then I'm like, oop, not gonna follow him. But if I go down enough rose and they ain't got no. No pictures of the wife, no pictures of the girlfriend, I'm hitting that follow button like in a couple pictures. But, yeah, anyways, Prize picks, Holla at you, girl. So I go to this Prize Picks event. It is really cool, really dope. I did not win the money that I thought I was gonna win. Of course I go into all gambling, thinking, ooh, I got free money. I'm gonna win big. And didn't. But had a good time, saw a lot of familiar faces, and it was. It was cute.

So I'm not gonna say the rapper's name because the rapper is in a relationship, but it was very, very platonic conversation.

[Hip Hop Obama]

A known relationship or a relationship?

[Mandy B.]

No, it's a known relationship. Which is the only reason why I'm not gonna bring it up. Cause I don't want it to seem like it's something it's not.

[Hip Hop Obama]

Okay.

[Mandy B.]

Anyways, I'm talking to this rapper because we had.

Exchanged words at the BET Awards a couple years ago.

[Hip Hop Obama]

Exchange words? The song.

[Mandy B.]

No, no. When I say exchange words. And Now I'm probably even going to say, my mom is a big fan of this rapper ironically. And so I FaceTime, I say, oh, my God, my mom loves you so much. Like, do you mind if I FaceTime her?

[Jason Lee]

Are they over six?

[Mandy B.]

No, they're little.

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Oh, they're little.

[Mandy B.]

Which is also a part of the story as well.

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Oh.

[Mandy B.]

Which is crazy. So he's a. He's a shorty, but my mom is a fan. Okay, you know what? Because I've already let it know how platonic it is, and I don't want him like that. Whatever. It's Toosie.

[Hip Hop Obama]

Oh, that was not my guess.

[Mandy B.]

His favorite song.

Yeah.

[Jason Rodriguez]

Tell your mom to share the playlist.

[Mandy B.]

Mind you, by the way, this is. This is a super, like, Atlanta reunion. So I walk in with Travis Porter and kk. Those are the people I'm with. You know what I mean? I know them niggas forever. So anyways, I go here. Tootsie's there. He's got security. But we catch each other's eye and don't talk. But then we finally talk, and he's like, hey, how you been? Finally, it's like, okay. I was like, hey, what's up? But, yeah, he FaceTimed my mom, so my mom's forever grateful about that. He's one of, like, the sweetest guys. And I really do like his music. Cause my mama put me on. So anyways, we're talking, and we're just catching up. And I was like, you don't live in Atlanta, right? He's visiting for. For whatever he was visiting for. In the middle of our conversation, it's just me and him talking. But mind you, at the top of the stairs, mad people walking around, but it's me and him in conversation. My homie walks up in the middle of a conversation. Mind you, I see him. I see him from my eye, and I give him a little head nod. He walk up behind me and give me a hug from the back while I'm talking.

[Jason Rodriguez]

Like the Michael Rubin hug.

[Hip Hop Obama]

The Michael Rubin?

[Sophie Cunningham]

Yes.

[Mandy B.]

If y' all don't know the Michael Rubin. Hut. Look up. The white parties. This nigga hugs everybody from the back. Pause.

[Jason Rodriguez]

Two arms wide.

[Mandy B.]

No, no, no.

[Hip Hop Obama]

They were gonna say, did he give you the two.

Very important, very important.

[Mandy B.]

It don't matter. He, like, literally is walking behind me, and in the middle of my conversation, he hugs me from behind.

[Jason Lee]

So he's entitled.

[Mandy B.]

This is. You don't even know. Hold on. So let me tell you. So I'm like.

[Jason Lee]

I'm like, did he stay there? How long did he stay there?

[Jason Rodriguez]

Did his crotch touch your butt?

[Hip Hop Obama]

Yeah. Yeah. Did he lean into it? Was it.

[Mandy B.]

No, it wasn't. The crotch hit the. It was just like one of those.

[Jason Rodriguez]

Hear the butt sticking out.

[Mandy B.]

Cuz I couldn't see from the back. All I know is shortly after. All right. Too. See, I like the conversation is dead now. I'm like, what the. Like. But mind you. And we wasn't talking about nothing. Just like what he got going on while he.

So I'm perturbed. Of course I'm upset. And not because I was trying to throw no. At this or nothing like that. But I'm just thinking, what if I was.

[Hip Hop Obama]

No, no, no, no. Hold on.

[Mandy B.]

He don't know.

[Jason Lee]

Let me reel you in a little bit. You are a professional radio personality, podcaster, businesswoman. You could have been discussing whatever you feel at liberty.

[Mandy B.]

But also as a man and another man, whatever it is, you don't come and make it awkward or uncomfortable or do that shit. Mind you, this ain't. This is a whole me now, what.

[Jason Lee]

If that said person you was talking to might interpret that.

[Hip Hop Obama]

Oh, shit, that nigga.

[Jason Lee]

Of course I'm in.

[Mandy B.]

Oh, let me back up. Right, so. So anyways, we go to passing each other, going to the bathroom, and I let this nigga have it, and it's my homie. I say, hey, come here. I said, don't you ever in your motherfucking life. Mind you, he's not even a nigga that we like that.

[Jason Rodriguez]

We even.

[Hip Hop Obama]

He's not on the embrace like that.

[Mandy B.]

We don't even embrace like that. I said, nigga. I said, don't you ever in your motherfucking life while I'm talking to any other man. Cause it's really a man particular. While I'm engaging in conversation with another man. Come up first off from behind. But also make your presence be known like that. And interrupt an exchange that's happening between me and another nigga. Because first off, you don't know what the conversation was. You don't know who this nigga is to me. But you also don't know the conversation. And your presence interrupts that. And do you know what his first response was? But I know your type. I didn't think that that was anything. Cause he's short. Cause Toosie is on the shorter side. And so literally.

I know, yeah.

[Jason Rodriguez]

I mean, that's good on his part.

[Mandy B.]

But the other parts. So because this nigga wasn't six foot, you felt entitled to come interrupt or make your Presence be known in a conversation where it wasn't warranted. And so we literally had to have the whole conversation because he didn't see the problem with what he did. Apparently he brought this scenario to multiple people, and they all said, nigga, you dead ass wrong. So I say this to say for any.

[Jason Lee]

We had a problem with it.

[Hip Hop Obama]

That's it, right?

[Mandy B.]

But not only that. Yeah, no, no, no.

[Hip Hop Obama]

That's the first layer. It won't happen again.

[Jason Lee]

But no, it's all love.

[Mandy B.]

This is one of those universal things.

[Hip Hop Obama]

It is very universal.

[Mandy B.]

Men listening. If a woman that you know is engaging into a conversation with another man, regardless of what their relationship is, you making your presence be known by coming and embracing her in that moment is dead ass ignorant as fuck. And it's wrong. Like, because again, men see that as a territorial thing, as if he's doing something wrong, even though he wasn't. Bro, we were having a fucking conversation. Mind you wanting him to come on the radio, like, nigga, what are you in Atlanta? For how long? Cause I'd love to get you on my shit. And then he come over and embrace me. And now this nigga feels like, oop, I done cross the boundary. I shouldn't be talking about.

[Jason Rodriguez]

Let me back off, let me back off.

[Mandy B.]

And so I had to tell him that. But I was like, how do you not know this? So I did want to make this announcement to any nigga who is like, wait, what's the problem, bro? If a woman is engaging in conversation with any man, it don't matter if that's her co worker. It don't matter if it's just a stranger. It don't matter if it's. It's a colleague. Do not.

[Hip Hop Obama]

Or some nigga you think she don't like.

[Mandy B.]

Or nigga that you don't think she like because you don't think that's her type. Do not come over and insert yourself into the.

[Jason Rodriguez]

The Michael Rubin is. That's like. It's crazy. If you do a Michael Rubin from the back and you see somebody like you, you have to. You have to, like, stick and stay. You have to. You have to be like, oh, this is my people.

[Mandy B.]

No, no.

[Jason Rodriguez]

You have to join the conversation. That's aggressive.

[Mandy B.]

No, no, no. That's even worse. That's even worse. You don't see him.

[Jason Rodriguez]

Michael Rubin drive by is crazy.

[Mandy B.]

You don't. You don't embrace me from the back and then stay into a conversation that you're not a part of.

[Hip Hop Obama]

Well, first of all, if you have.

[Jason Rodriguez]

The Audacity to do a Michael Rubin. You got to plant yourself.

[Mandy B.]

You can't just stand even worse. Again, that means you are. You are putting your. Your scent on.

Unless. Unless you are my. And unless you are on some, like, insecure ass and we are together and I am in a room speaking to someone that might intimidate you, make you feel uncomfortable, or you feel like you have to include yourself. Cool. But if you are just a friend of. If you are just a male counterpart. Male. You don't insert yourself into a space between a woman and another man. Yeah. Because.

[Hip Hop Obama]

Well, it's a. It's a. It's a violation on. On multiple fronts, right?

[Mandy B.]

Oh, all the violations.

[Hip Hop Obama]

The first is, like, you yourself, as the person being accosted by this hug. Like.

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It is, you know what saying.

[Hip Hop Obama]

So, like, hey, that's the first thing that stands, like, paramount. But then the other part of it that you spoke to is like.

We men, we're in social situations. Like, we understand how things go, and, like, whether your ego can deal with it or not, like being in a room with a lot of other men, there's rich, there's powerful, there's niggas who might be on your quote, unquote level. There might be all kind of situations going on. You don't want to be the weird guy.

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Facts.

[Mandy B.]

Right?

[Hip Hop Obama]

Also, I know a lot of women. I'm friends with a lot of women. I really can't name you a single woman. And these are women who, to your point, some women, you don't even embrace like that.

[Mandy B.]

Right.

[Hip Hop Obama]

Whoever. But all the women that I know that I hug, I can't really name you one of them that I would.

[Mandy B.]

Hug from the back unless you ate my ass. Yeah, hug me from the back. You can't hug a from the back unless you. Yeah, there's even an etiquette of hugs, which is why both of y' all ask, was it both hands? Was it one hand? Was it the church hug? Was his ass.

[Hip Hop Obama]

I just wanted to know.

[Jason Lee]

I want to know how egregious it.

[Mandy B.]

Was from the back, which made it egregious nonetheless.

[Jason Rodriguez]

That could have been one right there. Yeah.

[Jason Lee]

And then also, what if you. What if you was talking to, dude? I mean, whoever the subject is.

[Mandy B.]

Point. And who are you?

[Jason Lee]

I don't have emotional intelligence.

[Hip Hop Obama]

Like, I don't have it.

[Mandy B.]

Who are you talking to?

[Jason Lee]

My lady and some nigga.

[Hip Hop Obama]

Oh, well, I mean, if it's your lady, that's the whole.

[Jason Lee]

No, I'm just saying that in the moment, we talking to Hickam, who are you?

[Mandy B.]

So I want to determine who's my. Who's my type or not. Like, yes, everyone knows I like them like six foot plus.

[Jason Lee]

Yeah, but that don't give you that.

[Mandy B.]

But that I was so like, how old is this? In his 30s. He know better.

[Hip Hop Obama]

Yeah, yeah, that's just.

[Jason Rodriguez]

That's why you can't do it.

[Jason Lee]

And he asked other people. That just shows that he's.

[Mandy B.]

He didn't know. But referencing last week. Yeah, these be knowing better. They just don't choose to do better.

[Hip Hop Obama]

Yeah, they did. They just choose.

[Mandy B.]

They just ignore and don't give a. And when I tell you, I. And I ain't never talked to this nigga like that because he cool ass nigga. I said, don't you ever in your motherfucking life. You see how many curse words I'm using? I was so upset, of course.

[Hip Hop Obama]

But you know what too? He was probably. How long have you known him?

[Mandy B.]

I actually met him this year. So sorry. Right. I met him being out.

[Hip Hop Obama]

So here's what that. Here's what that is, right?

[Mandy B.]

What is that?

[Jason Lee]

That is flag on the play. That's it.

[Hip Hop Obama]

That is him taking an opportunity.

[Mandy B.]

Suck my dick.

[Hip Hop Obama]

What he thought was an opportunity to be like, oh, man, dick.

[Jason Lee]

And then he like, he's testing the waters.

[Hip Hop Obama]

Yeah, yeah.

[Jason Lee]

He probably thought her response was gonna be warm.

[Hip Hop Obama]

Would dictate.

[Jason Rodriguez]

They thought she was gonna lean back into it.

[Hip Hop Obama]

Yeah, that's what I'm trying to say. Like, that was him. That was a passive aggressive, like art. Now if she lean her ass back into me, she like me. Maybe. Maybe I got a shot.

[Jason Rodriguez]

Is he over six foot?

[Mandy B.]

He might be right at six foot.

[Hip Hop Obama]

Cause niggas fish and fish in various ways. Sometimes I can fish by saying a compliment. Sometimes I can fish by doing a chore, a task.

[Mandy B.]

Don't fish physically. How about that?

[Hip Hop Obama]

Yeah, you should.

[Mandy B.]

Ain't no fishing physically.

[Hip Hop Obama]

That was fishing, though. He was fishing.

[Jason Rodriguez]

He was casting the line.

[Big Long]

Personal space.

[Jason Lee]

Personal space.

[Mandy B.]

You know what I mean? Difference between flirting and sexual assault. Like we talked about.

[Hip Hop Obama]

Think about it. Like, even if you even. This is a person that you regularly embrace. What if you didn't want to be touched right now? Like, you don't. I did it and I can't see.

[Mandy B.]

I'm in conversation.

[Hip Hop Obama]

I'm in conversation. So you just take it upon yourself to put that. You can't do that, bro.

[Mandy B.]

Mind you, I'm in a room and I'm looking around and I love it. There's no bodies. I have no bodies in this room. There's not one in this room that I so immediately who got the nerve to hold me for.

[Hip Hop Obama]

Yeah, who is this? Right?

[Mandy B.]

Ain't none of these niggas. None of my.

[Jason Lee]

When you. When you realize you said, ah, this.

[Mandy B.]

I had his read coming, mind you. None of them are in my Rolodex in this whole room. Right, Right. So I'm just like, who, Who. Why you laughing? You caught it late.

[Jason Lee]

I had to.

[Hip Hop Obama]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Mandy B.]

My Rolodex. You feel me?

[Jason Rodriguez]

That's a T shirt, you know?

[Mandy B.]

But, yeah, I was like, the nerve, the dacity, the. The density. Because that. Listen, if it's one thing a man gonna have, he could. No money, no job, little dick, whatever. He ain't got much, but he gonna have the audacity.

[Hip Hop Obama]

Pocket full of audacity.

[Mandy B.]

Oh, my God. Anyways, I'm glad to know that y' all are mature enough to know that you don't just hug from the back.

[Hip Hop Obama]

That's a standard.

[Mandy B.]

Like in conversation in the presence of another man.

[Hip Hop Obama]

And to be honest with you, like, I never had to be told that. Like, that's not a thing.

[Mandy B.]

That.

[Hip Hop Obama]

That's not a really a lesson that you.

I never had to learn that lesson.

[Jason Rodriguez]

Listen here, John, I want to sit you down and tell you about something.

[Hip Hop Obama]

I'm telling you about something about what you can't do. Now, son, like.

[Mandy B.]

You just know.

[Hip Hop Obama]

You have some level of social intelligence, of emotional intelligence. You just know. Okay, this is going.

[Mandy B.]

You know what? To be fair. To be fair, and I will say it, and this is going to sound ignorant, stupid, probably going to make y' all a little mad. I don't care. Everyone's still not diagnosed yet, so social cues are lost on some people. Like, we. We talk about. What is it everybody, like, common sense ain't so common. The social cues. And we could blame the pandemic a little bit, cuz people had to be inside for some time. But also, they weren't inside in Atlanta. So social cues should be better here than anywhere else. Okay? Y' all didn't have the capital.

[Jason Rodriguez]

Social cues should be there.

[Mandy B.]

Social cues should be.

[Hip Hop Obama]

For the record, as the longest standing Atlanta resident in this room, my ass was inside. I don't know nothing about what these niggas are doing. These hookah bars, they was blowing. I seen all the videos on Edgewood. Y' all niggas acting up.

[Mandy B.]

Covid was saying hi to everybody. Yeah, but yeah, to me, social cues.

[Hip Hop Obama]

And ethics, that's the easy, you know, it's Funny.

[Jason Lee]

Like, if you introduce me to a friend of yours, right, the first thing I'm gonna do is reach my hand out, right? Nine times out of ten they say, no, I give hugs. They only say that because I believe, because of how I present it, because they like, no, that's respectful. Right?

[Jason Rodriguez]

Right.

[Jason Lee]

No, come give hugs. Right?

[Hip Hop Obama]

That should be it.

[Jason Lee]

Yeah. And then he should have. Honestly, I would have. If I'm him. I would have played off to the side. Wait till you finish talking.

[Mandy B.]

But, yo, Mandy, what up? You know what's crazy?

[Jason Lee]

Then it would have been a front facing greeting instead of that whatever you're trying to do.

[Mandy B.]

Even you saying that, though. I only extend hugs to women if I'm meeting a man.

[Jason Lee]

You're gonna handshake, they're getting a handshake.

[Mandy B.]

Like, I don't like, even if I'm being introduced, I don't embrace men. I embrace women to let their guard down. Know, like, girl, I'm friendly, bitch.

[Hip Hop Obama]

Yeah, we cool.

[Mandy B.]

Like, but men, I never embrace with a hug.

[Hip Hop Obama]

Upon introduction, most nine times out of ten, I meet a woman, extend your hand, you get a shake. If from that shake, and then y' all have a good conversation or y' all are kicking it a bunch of group of people and y' all have gotten to like, warm up to one another most times, then you get the hug.

[Jason Rodriguez]

After departure.

[Mandy B.]

Upon departure.

[Hip Hop Obama]

Upon departure.

[Mandy B.]

Upon departure.

[Jason Rodriguez]

That is crazy.

[Jason Lee]

Yo, she way she be weaving through Florida Bronx.

[Hip Hop Obama]

But. But that is a two part violation though, because the first violation is he shouldn't have even came up in the first place. Saw you, got excited, oh, and been like, oh, cool. Soon as she done with that, like, I'm going to go say what's up to her, Whatever. So that's the first thing.

[Mandy B.]

Yeah.

[Hip Hop Obama]

But the second part is. Yeah, you definitely, like, you can't just.

[Mandy B.]

Yeah, that pissed me off. Anyway, shout out to Tucy.

And him being my mom's favorite rapper.

I guess I'll ask the room before we dive in, did any of y' all do anything ignorant over the last week or so?

[Hip Hop Obama]

Hmm.

[Jason Rodriguez]

I love a good, clean life, which.

[Mandy B.]

I was sitting on.

[Hip Hop Obama]

I'm a family man.

[Mandy B.]

He's ignorant of the bunch. No. Did you all do anything ignorant or that y' all feel like could be perceived as ignorant?

[Jason Lee]

Ignorance is in the eye of the beholder, child.

[Mandy B.]

Please chop, please. No, I don't think so.

[Hip Hop Obama]

I mean, I feel like all the ignorant that I do is like, like talking about people. Like, oh, I'm driving while I'm like, Racist.

[Mandy B.]

Okay.

[Hip Hop Obama]

Yeah. The good old fashioned way.

[Mandy B.]

Let's talk about who you cursed out and what your thoughts are on certain drivers.

[Hip Hop Obama]

Oh, okay.

[Mandy B.]

No, here. No.

[Hip Hop Obama]

Okay. So here's the story I tell, and this isn't even my ignorance, but this is like a ignorant thing that I. That I saw in real time. But I was like, damn, that really happened. Okay, so I've only been arrested one time in my life.

[Mandy B.]

Oh, okay.

[Big Long]

All right.

[Mandy B.]

You beat me.

[Hip Hop Obama]

Game is the game.

[Mandy B.]

Actually, wait, no, we're equal. I forgot the nail salon.

[Hip Hop Obama]

Well, technically, I got arrested twice in 48 hours, but it's for the same reason.

[Jason Rodriguez]

Same package.

[Hip Hop Obama]

Same. Yeah, same, same, same. Same story.

[Mandy B.]

We'll hear later.

[Hip Hop Obama]

That's like, you get some head, that shit don't count. So that's another.

[Mandy B.]

All right, all right.

[Jason Lee]

So as a body or.

[Hip Hop Obama]

Yeah, it's not a body.

[Mandy B.]

No head counts as a body.

[Hip Hop Obama]

That's not a body. The body is a body.

[Mandy B.]

Oral sex, we're not doing that.

[Hip Hop Obama]

No, oral sex is sex, but it's not a body.

[Mandy B.]

If you walk into the room and a. Could say her mouth has been around my dick to anybody, that means that's not.

[Jason Rodriguez]

Yeah, that's not. That's not a tabulation.

[Hip Hop Obama]

But if you ask somebody, count your bodies. You're not counting, like, right? You're not. You're not adding that into the list. You're adding the niggas who. Anyway, we're getting off.

[Mandy B.]

Yeah, okay. Yeah. This ain't decisions.

[Hip Hop Obama]

This ain't decisions. That's right.

[Mandy B.]

Yeah.

[Hip Hop Obama]

Yeah. You gotta invite me to another party.

But so no. So I get arrested. We're on our way to the jail, we get to a red light. Downtown Atlanta, there's a bunch of one way streets. Everything is.

[Mandy B.]

Everything's one way.

[Hip Hop Obama]

We get to the red light, we see headlights coming toward us.

Cop is looking at. We're all in. Had the same thought at the same time, like, why are they coming at us?

[Mandy B.]

Cuz it's a one way.

[Hip Hop Obama]

It's a oneway street. Cop taps his partner and says, I bet you $20 they Asian.

[Mandy B.]

Yo, yo.

[Jason Rodriguez]

Wow.

[Hip Hop Obama]

I'm in the back of the car.

[Jason Rodriguez]

Like.

You should have started negotiating right there.

[Mandy B.]

Come let me go.

[Hip Hop Obama]

To Asian.

[Mandy B.]

What color are the cops?

[Hip Hop Obama]

White cops. Okay, two white cops. Bet you 20 they're Asian. Bet.

Pull up on them, car full of like six Asian folks in the car.

[Mandy B.]

Maybe they were Mexican. Roll that deep.

[Jason Lee]

We do that.

[Mandy B.]

That though.

[Hip Hop Obama]

What's that?

[Jason Lee]

We could call it out when.

[Hip Hop Obama]

Oh, oh, we do know.

[Jason Lee]

We do what we Call out.

[Jason Rodriguez]

Like, we could call out who's.

[Hip Hop Obama]

Yeah, I think.

[Jason Lee]

I think who's committing the offense based on your nationality.

[Jason Rodriguez]

Yeah, I would say I'm even good at it. Good at it.

Special talent.

[Matt Rogers]

I have.

[Mandy B.]

No, no, no. We literally do that a lot, all the time. And I have a. I have a bit of a problem with it. Y' all know the video I sent y' all this week? You know the one in the chat? So that. Okay, I came across. I came across a video, and it pissed me off because I think it's what we were. We were talking about it with. And we'll get into the tweets later. But in terms of how we are also racist against other. And we can't be racist, but we are prejudice.

[Jason Rodriguez]

Prejudice against other ethnicities.

[Mandy B.]

Biased. Bias towards other ethnicities, bro. Why do we be shocked when they do it to us? And this is gonna sound. Okay, so here we are. So there's a clip that I saw, and it is.

[Jason Rodriguez]

I got it.

[Mandy B.]

Yeah. Can we just. Well, yeah, we do that amongst our own, too.

[Jason Lee]

Like, that gotta be a. That's a straight.

[Hip Hop Obama]

But here, you. And, you know, I'll draw a very thin line, right? The. That we be biased about toward most people. Don't be crimes.

[Mandy B.]

No, no, no.

[Hip Hop Obama]

We be biased towards behavior.

[Mandy B.]

I want you to watch this. This. Watch this video.

Do you speak English? Are you Mexican?

[Hip Hop Obama]

Yeah, I'm Mexican.

[Mandy B.]

Good. Can you tell me the difference between Valentino and Tapa?

[Hip Hop Obama]

I mean, honestly, they kind of both taste the same. One's made here in the United States.

[Jason Lee]

One'S made in Mexico.

[Jason Rodriguez]

I mean, basically, they taste the same, honestly.

[Mandy B.]

Oh, okay, cool. Thank you.

[Hip Hop Obama]

Excuse me.

[Jason Lee]

Are you black?

[Mandy B.]

Right?

And look, she gets a no, and then she gets offended.

[Jason Lee]

But he pull out that he went super Saiyan on you.

[Mandy B.]

Literally. Hey, you speak sp. You. You. First off, the. The question, do you speak English? Is crazy. And then you Mexican, right? And then it's hot sauces of two different. Like, bro to me. And she just asked it, like, so again, selective, ignorant. So you can walk up to a Mexican, ask them if they even speak English first. Then ask them about these two hot sauces and be like, okay, thank you. But if someone else walks up to you and asks what you perceive to be a racist thing, because they're asking, but they're knowing that you should be knowledgeable because you're black. How the you mad at that?

[Jason Lee]

But he actually.

[Mandy B.]

Bro, it doesn't matter.

By the way.

[Jason Lee]

He just said, wow.

[Mandy B.]

By the way, if y' all are Listening audio only. When he asked, hey, you're black, right? He's holding a jiffy box of cornbread and a watermelon. Yeah, see, that's what I'm saying.

[Hip Hop Obama]

See, that's what I'm saying.

[Jason Rodriguez]

That's right.

[Mandy B.]

But to be fair, would black people not have the most knowledge around cornbread and watermelon?

[Jason Rodriguez]

Yeah, he gave.

[Mandy B.]

He. He gave. He gave great knowledge.

He was able to explain the difference between the top of the Valentina.

[Hip Hop Obama]

Fair enough.

[Mandy B.]

If I go to a black person, I'm going.

What other race can make cornbread? What other races associated with watermelon? So if he had a question about cornbread or watermelon, what makes it racist that he went up to, you're black. Right?

[Jason Lee]

I think if she had to pull out some avocados, and then it would have been equal.

[Mandy B.]

He pulled out.

[Jason Lee]

He said, yo, I'm knock. And I'm knock all of this out.

[Hip Hop Obama]

Everybody eat the hot sauce like you.

[Mandy B.]

Now. It was a skit, of course.

[Hip Hop Obama]

I love that skit.

[Mandy B.]

In terms of, like, how we want people to treat us, we somehow get a pass to be completely ignorant. Not. Not selectively ignorant. We believe we get the past to be completely ignorant with every other race in our biases and their stereotypes. But heaven forbid someone else of another race has the stereotype about us. And so, like, it's one of those, like, do onto others as you like done onto yourself. I don't understand why we get the past to be just completely ignorant to all other ethnicities and background.

[Hip Hop Obama]

I don't think.

[Jason Lee]

I don't think I would ask a Mexican if they would Two different hots.

[Mandy B.]

Bullshit you just said. But avocado. I'm walking up to him as it.

[Jason Lee]

Relates to the watermelon.

[Hip Hop Obama]

Like, you know, like, what is the. What is the one of one? Well, you know, I'm thinking about it now. I. My selective ignorance came out on CNN one time. Now that I'm thinking about it.

[Mandy B.]

Wait, wait, you was ignorant on CNN as a black representing us, you were ignorant?

[Hip Hop Obama]

I was ignorant as what'd you do? And I. I could have. There was a way to me to avoid this ignorance, but I didn't. Didn't think about it until after the fact. Right.

[Mandy B.]

So was your ignorance caught by everyone?

[Hip Hop Obama]

No, no, no, no. It was only ca person it was caught by. So I. So we were on there talking about bad bunny in the Super Bowl. Baboni Bon. Shout out to Benny. Benito, Benito, Benito.

[Mandy B.]

So, by the way, shout out to also his change in aesthetics. I didn't know that Bad Bunny was Bad Bunny who he is now, cuz he fine. But when he came out, he looked real uptown. Washington, Washington High.

I was like this the same.

[Hip Hop Obama]

Same bony. So we talking about him on the super bowl. And they came to me on the panel and I was like, you know all these MAGA people are mad that he's going to be not speaking English. And Whoopi, Whoopi, whoop. And I was like, yo, I hope none of these people get access to tacos or guacamole or none of that shit. Like them all. If you don't want, if you can't, if you can't support this man.

[Jason Rodriguez]

Mixed up the metaphor right there.

You meant to say them rice and beans.

[Mandy B.]

Wait, that was ignorant, right? Right.

[Jason Rodriguez]

He's not Mexican.

[Mandy B.]

So.

[Hip Hop Obama]

So I. So I clip on my Instagram and I didn't think nothing of it. And he wasn't tight cuz we know each other. But it was still funny when he said it. I was like, oh, he's right. I could have said a different food. So shout out to you.

[Mandy B.]

You could have said per.

[Hip Hop Obama]

I could have said perfect.

[Mandy B.]

Cuz to be fair, tacos, tacos. Mexican all the way, not Puerto Rican.

[Hip Hop Obama]

But you not even a little bit.

[Mandy B.]

That was ignorant of you.

[Hip Hop Obama]

So. So Rook of Justice League shout out. Justice League Rook hit me in the comment. He was like, bro, we're Puerto Ricans. Like we don't eat that. And I was like, I didn't even know that.

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Point that out too.

[Hip Hop Obama]

Yeah, him to point that out of all people.

[Mandy B.]

Because to be very fair, if. If Jason decides to make with his family, he go, he gonna be real American and say taco Tuesday. We do a taco night. Not a thing that I'm sure him and his wife just make like it's given. It's given. They buy the Taco Bell box.

They're not making homemade corn tortillas. They said, you want hard shell and soft shell, we getting it.

[Hip Hop Obama]

But when he said that, I was like, damn, I could have said a million different foods.

[Mandy B.]

But that was your ignorant.

[Hip Hop Obama]

But that was. That was my ignorance. I was just like, ah, very Spanish people.

[Mandy B.]

Very like.

[Hip Hop Obama]

That was the ignorant part. All right. And I thought about it. I was like, Dan, what was ignorant?

[Mandy B.]

That was like me saying, well, came up short.

[Jason Rodriguez]

Came up short.

[Hip Hop Obama]

Came up real short.

[Mandy B.]

It makes more sense when I call them the Espanol because they do all speak Spanish. At least that's a common thing. No. All right.

[Jason Rodriguez]

Some of them, I would say it's.

[Mandy B.]

Better Listen, I didn't get too many people mad from last week, so espanol, that's what I'm going into 20, 26. Because then you know what? It also includes the Spaniards. Okay?

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Those over there, the Euro.

[Jason Lee]

Spaniards.

[Mandy B.]

The Euro Spaniards.

[Hip Hop Obama]

Yeah, but the span.

[Jason Rodriguez]

Colonizers.

[Hip Hop Obama]

I was going to say the Spaniards are white people. People.

[Jason Lee]

Yeah, Spaniards.

[Mandy B.]

Damn. They are.

[Jason Rodriguez]

That's true. Historically accurate.

[Mandy B.]

Historically.

And if y' all haven't. Crystal Ball Colombo, if y' all haven't heard us talk about the colonizers yet, please go back to our Thanksgiving Day episode. Because we give y' all all the history on the Americas.

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[Bowen Yang]

And all the gift guides out there are boring and uninspired.

[Matt Rogers]

Wait, what about the guide we made.

[Bowen Yang]

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[Matt Rogers]

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[Bowen Yang]

Yeah, cause if I see one more for the dad who likes golf list, I'm out.

[Mandy B.]

Right?

[Matt Rogers]

How about something for the people who act actually surprise you with categories like.

[Bowen Yang]

Best gifts for the mom whose idea of a sensible walking shoe is a stiletto, she wants a pair of stilettos.

[Matt Rogers]

Or Best gifts for me that were so thoughtful I really shouldn't have dying.

[Bowen Yang]

To see what those are.

[Matt Rogers]

And you won't believe their prices.

[Bowen Yang]

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[Matt Rogers]

You know, I started bookmarking half the list for myself.

[Bowen Yang]

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[Matt Rogers]

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[Bowen Yang]

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[Mandy B.]

Anyways, we're gonna put on our tinfoil hats for this is America.

Because I think we're all a little fed up and tired of talking about the orange Cheeto in the office. And as we round out the year, I want to give y' all some good television to watch because, again, y' all aren't working hard. You're hardly working. So this is normally the time of year where, yeah, you gotta spend time around family, but you get to, like, wind down and watch tv. And me and John luckily had our. We made y' all get into the show, but if you haven't yet. And spoiler alert, but not so much. We are talking about the Apple TV news show Pluribus, brought to you by the team that made Breaking Bad and Better Call Saul. You know what's crazy about that either my sister does. My sister has seizures.

[Hip Hop Obama]

See, I knew that was coming. See, you can't just do that.

[Mandy B.]

That is problematic and ignorant.

[Hip Hop Obama]

It's what they do on the show.

[Jason Rodriguez]

It's a show.

[Mandy B.]

For those of y' all enjoying this as a listening experience.

[Hip Hop Obama]

How you gonna describe it?

[Mandy B.]

You know.

[Jason Rodriguez]

When. When the main character gets upset, decided.

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To piss me off.

[Hip Hop Obama]

These are playing games with Tourette's. Like, no, that's not what happen. That's not what happen. That's not what happened.

[Mandy B.]

I'm gonna give you guys a brief synopsis, but for. For. What I wanted to do with this was kind of dig into the themes to talk about where we stand on certain things, such as AI, the idea of World Peace Agency as a human and what humanity even means. But the show follows Carol Sturx, who is a successful fantasy romance author, but it's really dope because she leaned into heterosexual romance as a lesbian. So, yes, if you are a Christian and you fucking hate the gays, this might not be for you. But. But she survives an alien virus outbreak, which kind of looks a lot like the coronavirus, y'. All. It impacts the entire world. Now, for whatever reason, y' all know, just like normally at the. In most sci fi films, there's people that outlive shit or are the cure for all things. When this takes place, there are 11 people total in the world who do not get infected with this virus. Virus. Now, the show pretty much follows Carol, who is one of the 11 who are not affected, and she has a huge issue with what's going on. The tagline for the show is the most miserable person on Earth must save the world from happiness.

[Hip Hop Obama]

And I want to add this part. Add to it, the virus isn't a virus like the Last of Us or the walking.

[Mandy B.]

Yeah.

[Hip Hop Obama]

It's not turning them into zombies, essentially, this virus kind of zombies kind of zombies, but it's a. It's a social virus that essentially reprograms your brain. When you catch. When you catch this virus, you get a choice of either joining the hive mind, joining all of society, kind of.

[Mandy B.]

I don't think they get a choice.

[Hip Hop Obama]

Well, you don't get. Well, the only reason I say they do get a choice is because the woman. Without going too far into it ahead of time, the woman said when Helen passed, she said, Helen joined us before she passed past.

[Matt Rogers]

Right.

[Jason Lee]

Oh, yeah, she did say that.

[Hip Hop Obama]

So, like, you catch it and at. They haven't explained this yet, but the way I'm taking it, based off what they showed us, is that as you are dying, quote, unquote, dying, you get an option. You get an option of either. Either you're going to be part of this collective state of everyone, or you're going to die off as an individual.

[Mandy B.]

Okay, you don't get. Which is interesting because, I mean, we've talked about zombies on here and I was like, I ain't out running them. But this is. This is. This is essentially different. Right?

[Hip Hop Obama]

It's a very different take on.

[Mandy B.]

It's a very different take on.

An apocalypse, essentially. And so there's so many themes that are brought about by this and I'm not sure where we want to take it first. Jason, I know that we had some questions. Do we want to just start with whether. If you had the option. And mind you, let me tell you essentially what. What is being proposed here. It is a state of pure happiness and content. So you're not sad, you don't really have feelings. Whatever you want to do essentially, is. Is all for the betterment of society.

[Hip Hop Obama]

Yes.

[Mandy B.]

And everything is good. There's nothing bad. There's no crimes anymore. No one has an ill thought to do something wrong.

[Hip Hop Obama]

Right, Right. No, that's essentially it. Yeah. It's a net positive society.

[Mandy B.]

Yes. There we go. So let's start there.

[Jason Rodriguez]

An exchange.

[Mandy B.]

Would you.

[Jason Rodriguez]

For losing.

[Mandy B.]

For losing yourself, your identity. Your identity, your individuality. What makes you different? Because essentially everyone is the same now. Everyone has the same goal. Everyone just lives happy. There's no. No one cries, no one's mad, no one's angry.

[Hip Hop Obama]

Everyone just robbing, no killing.

[Mandy B.]

You just want to help. Literally to the point where. Let me Tell you this, they don't even believe in killing so much. So to where you can't fish, you can't step on an ant.

[Jason Rodriguez]

Yeah. They want everybody to be vegetarian intentionally.

[Mandy B.]

That would cause harm to any.

[Hip Hop Obama]

All life has value. And that in the value of that life supersedes everything else.

[Mandy B.]

Yes. Now with this, would you guys decide to connect to the hive mind, where your thoughts and feelings are transparent and aligned with everyone? Or.

Would you not want to do that and filter out?

[Hip Hop Obama]

Sign me up.

[Mandy B.]

Sign you up. To be happy.

[Jason Rodriguez]

Interesting.

[Hip Hop Obama]

We rolling? Because from my standpoint, the way I look at it is that in this individualistic life that we live, we're all trying to chase that happiness. Happiness. We're trying to achieve peace. We're trying to achieve happiness in ourselves individually. And hopefully if everyone has that same goal, everyone can move in that.

[Mandy B.]

I think that's my problem.

[Hip Hop Obama]

I think that like with what you just said, though, that's fair.

[Mandy B.]

Everyone doesn't. What makes people happy or not the same? Well, happiness is not subject. Well, happiness is.

[Hip Hop Obama]

Happiness is subjective based on the fact that we have choices so we can make individual choices, right? If that. If that idea of making individual choices is removed, then there is nothing else but happiness. Like.

The philosophy of like, life is suffering. I don't know if that's Plato soccer. I don't know one of them said that shit. But like, life is suffering, right? Like we all endure things and we're all working through our lives, through our professional and our personal relationships and what we decide to spend our time on to find a place that gives us peace, that actually gives. Gives us the happiness that we want and we're pretty much suffering outside of those things.

[Mandy B.]

It's interesting because even in terms of.

How you consider suffering, right, like, mind you, grieving is something that we know we're all going to deal with.

But to me, happiness a lot of times comes from achieving the things that were hard, that were hard to do, that were hard to do. Right. So completing college, one of my most prideful moments. Even though now not so much because student debt, but Sally may cause my dick from the back. The idea that I completed it, though it was hard, is what brought me happiness.

[Hip Hop Obama]

Would you miss that, though? Would you miss the hard, the process?

[Mandy B.]

Would I miss.

I actually would miss the hard. I don't want a gummy.

[Jason Lee]

They were fucking up.

[Hip Hop Obama]

Would you miss suffering? I guess that's my point. I wouldn't miss suffering. If I was just given happiness, I wouldn't be like, damn, I wish it could Be fucked up so that I could be happy. Like.

[Jason Rodriguez]

But that's how you know what happy is, right? I think the contrast of it.

[Mandy B.]

You know what I mean?

[Jason Lee]

And it's controlled happiness.

[Hip Hop Obama]

But it's only. But it's all. We only know that from our perspective because we have choices to make.

[Mandy B.]

Okay?

[Hip Hop Obama]

The only reason that there is the suffering, because we can make individual decisions. And you make that decision. It might go left, it might go right.

[Mandy B.]

Now, let me ask you the other question. There was 11 people. Would you want to exist as yourself now in a world where everyone else has this virus?

[Hip Hop Obama]

So the Diabate character.

[Mandy B.]

Yes.

[Hip Hop Obama]

So.

[Mandy B.]

Oh, he be.

[Hip Hop Obama]

Oh, yeah, he's.

[Jason Rodriguez]

Living that.

[Jason Lee]

Oh, yeah. He was out here doing a lot.

[Jason Rodriguez]

When they pulled out.

[Hip Hop Obama]

No, I think he's.

[Mandy B.]

He. But you're just calling him Indian because.

[Jason Lee]

Oh, you know what I'm thinking about? No, I'm putting him related to the. The mother and the son who's at that dinner table.

[Mandy B.]

This man is just from.

[Jason Rodriguez]

He speaks French. He speaks French. He could be like Cameroon.

[Hip Hop Obama]

When the pulled up in Air Force One, I was like, oh, this.

[Jason Rodriguez]

He got it. He got it.

[Mandy B.]

With hoes.

[Hip Hop Obama]

With hoes. I was like, oh, he got it.

[Mandy B.]

I think. I think that was an interesting part. So y', all maybe episode two or three. There's episode two.

[Hip Hop Obama]

That's the one that really sets this thing. Episode one sets you up for the premise of what's going on. Episode two lets, you know, gives you.

[Mandy B.]

The deep dive to where this is happening.

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[Mandy B.]

Because a lot of the other people that she's able to meet, she wants to meet with the ones that speak English. And very American of her, by the way.

[Hip Hop Obama]

Very. Oh, we're going to talk about that.

[Mandy B.]

She reminded me. She reminded me of, like. Yeah, only because just so y' all know, I'm going to Curacao for Christmas. And the most. Let me. I'm bringing up another ignorant thought of mine. I love Aruba so much because the first language is English. Same for Curacao. It's a neighbor. I personally hate traveling internationally where niggas speak another language first because then there's, like, accents. I gotta decipher shit. And I'm like, oh, where do they speak English? That's where I want to go. I want to go enjoy another country.

[Jason Rodriguez]

Yeah, but I don't think that's ignorant. It's your convenience with your money.

[Mandy B.]

Very American.

[Jason Rodriguez]

It's American, sure.

[Hip Hop Obama]

Now, one could argue that ignorance in American is.

[Jason Rodriguez]

Yeah, they're fighting. They're fighting for recognition.

[Hip Hop Obama]

All Intents and purposes.

[Mandy B.]

Yes. So she sits with these people, and essentially she feels like there is a problem with what society is looking like now. She's like, oh, my God, it's up to us to save the world. And they're looking at her like, nope, I'm good.

[Jason Rodriguez]

But granted. But they still have loved ones around. She doesn't love them.

[Mandy B.]

They do still have loved ones around. She is by herself.

[Jason Rodriguez]

Yeah, she's sort of like, in, like, a purgatory.

[Mandy B.]

But the French guy comes in and.

He'S viewing this from a lens that takes advantage to me of what happiness looks like, because he's leaning in more so individualistic. Because whatever he wants, he's asking for. Because that's another part of the virus. These people don't say no. They give you what you want. And so he has a harem of whores. He flew in on the Air Force One jet.

[Hip Hop Obama]

He had the nuclear football.

What are you doing?

[Jason Lee]

Are they benefiting? Is he benefiting? They told Carol that they're still trying to figure out how to fix. Get them so they can make that decision. So does he.

[Jason Rodriguez]

And it's, like, clearness. They're trying to figure out how she can get infected with the virus. They want her to be.

[Hip Hop Obama]

Yes, right.

[Jason Lee]

So that would apply to the other.

[Mandy B.]

Two, to the other guys.

[Hip Hop Obama]

They're all trying to figure out how.

[Jason Lee]

To get all that enjoyment that he's experiencing right now might be a temporary further down the line in the series.

[Mandy B.]

It was crazy because also in that same scene where he clearly wants to have sex with the girl.

And so for me, as a woman, it was really interesting to tap into the idea that a woman couldn't say no.

[Hip Hop Obama]

Yeah, that. That part said.

[Mandy B.]

That's part of the consent part. It was very creepy. Was very creepy.

[Hip Hop Obama]

He was like.

[Jason Lee]

Did you feel like whatever he asked her, he asked, what's her name?

[Hip Hop Obama]

Zosia.

[Jason Lee]

Zosha. Did you feel like I, you know, I was untoward?

[Hip Hop Obama]

Did I do something to make you uncomfortable?

[Mandy B.]

And she said no.

[Jason Lee]

Yeah, she said no.

[Mandy B.]

And she.

[Hip Hop Obama]

No, no, no. She didn't say no. She said, affection is always welcome.

[Jason Rodriguez]

Welcome.

[Mandy B.]

Yes. Yeah, it was. Wow.

[Bowen Yang]

Wow.

[Hip Hop Obama]

I was like.

[Mandy B.]

And I think that as a society where women have now the right to say no, seeing that as something that they brought into the script was really interesting because it removes the choice from. From women all over. Like. Like, that's essentially what the virus did.

[Jason Rodriguez]

They did a good job of making it murky, though, because, like, the man figured out her name and the woman didn't figure out the other woman's name had.

[Hip Hop Obama]

No.

[Big Long]

No.

[Jason Rodriguez]

Right.

[Mandy B.]

Yeah.

[Jason Rodriguez]

So it's like, it made it murky where it's like he put in, like. I don't say.

[Mandy B.]

No, he got.

[Jason Rodriguez]

Yeah, he. He made an attempt at connection.

[Hip Hop Obama]

Correct. Yeah. He was investing in them as people.

She said you all are freaks and weirdos. People at all.

[Mandy B.]

Well, because she sees them kind of like how we've perceived zombies to be. Zombies are not people. Right. And so it was really interesting because, yeah, these people are operating just in a different way of which we view.

Society. I will say.

As you watch this, you have so many themes. So there's the themes of autonomy, what makes you human. But one of my favorite scenes reminded me of where we're going with technology and AI. She goes into sprouts and it's completely empty. And she calls the people, because you can call them. And she's like, yo, I just want to grocery shop. And literally she's like, well, whatever you want, we can deliver it straight to your house. So it reminds me of this era that we're going to with Amazon right now, but also with me. I get anxiety about going to the grocery store. I don't want to go to a grocery store. I like all of my whatever I want being delivered straight to my door. I love it. And you see her almost break down, where apparently going to a grocery store and walking down the aisles is a part of humanity, is a luxury, is a part of again, maybe remember when we talked about what things we would miss if the world changed? She almost broke down, was like, no, all I want to do is walk down the aisles and buy my groceries. And it was really interesting to consider that as a luxury of humanity and just being human because so many of our things are being automated. AI is. Is coming in, taking over. And I do say, what's crazy is where I love all of my groceries to be delivered to my door. One of the things I hate the most is sitting down at a restaurant and having to order my meal through a fucking iPad of some kind.

[Hip Hop Obama]

Yeah.

[Mandy B.]

And then I still got a tip of.

[Jason Rodriguez]

No one talked to me.

[Jason Lee]

You gotta scan the QR code and.

[Jason Rodriguez]

Do the right thing.

[Mandy B.]

I'm scanning, I'm swiping, I'm adding what's being taken off. It's completely removing the interaction. But then at the end, it's still asking for a tip. Who the shit just came out. Like, there was no interaction for what I wanted my order to be. In the exchange of a person.

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This is Matt Rogers from Los Culturistas with Matt Rogers and Bowen Yang.

[Bowen Yang]

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[Matt Rogers]

Hey Bowen, it's gift season.

[Bowen Yang]

Oh, stressing me out. Why are all the people I love so hard to shop for like me and.

[Matt Rogers]

Exactly, honey, I'm easy. But you're right, holiday gifting is stressful.

[Bowen Yang]

And all the gift guides out there are boring and uninspired.

[Matt Rogers]

Wait, what about the guide we made.

[Bowen Yang]

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[Matt Rogers]

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[Bowen Yang]

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[Matt Rogers]

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[Bowen Yang]

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[Matt Rogers]

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[Bowen Yang]

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[Matt Rogers]

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[Hip Hop Obama]

Well that scene in particular. And there's a lot of stuff I want to. I know we don't have like forever to talk about.

[Mandy B.]

We could talk. Cause I like these. I like these like all dissecting and.

[Hip Hop Obama]

To me that's what makes this show interesting. And so like if you're like a.

If you're one of these who like. If you're like a Drake fan who doesn't like.

[Mandy B.]

Here we go.

[Hip Hop Obama]

If, if you think if you one of these on podcast mics that talk about like ah, think I don't want to Think about no song I don't want to. Like, this probably is not for you.

[Mandy B.]

Okay.

[Hip Hop Obama]

Cuz this is. This show is like. There's a lot it makes you think sociological and. And think in a way that not just the plot of it.

[Mandy B.]

Yeah.

[Hip Hop Obama]

There's a mystery of like what's going on, but the thinking is really the sociological experiment of what this show represents. Right. But in that scene, the thing that I thought was the most interesting is that Carol is anti all of this. Right. She's anti everything until that thing can get her what she wants.

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And when she.

[Hip Hop Obama]

And. And not only did she get what she wanted, she got it immediately. She said, oh, how long will. I just need to know when I need to come back to the store. And the late. And Zosa was like, come back in a second. And. But this is where it's like one of the themes here is like capitalism versus socialism.

[Jason Lee]

Right.

[Hip Hop Obama]

The whole community. Carol said, I want this. I. I need this. I need food. The whole community instantly pulled up 200 people hopped out of trucks and put that whole store together in a couple of hours. And now Carol had everything she wanted.

[Mandy B.]

Wanted.

[Hip Hop Obama]

So it's like.

[Mandy B.]

It reminds me of the hypocrisy and individualism that we experience with like, okay, you want to stand for something, right? But as soon as it kind of impacts. And y' all know, this is me, actually, I'm very much a hypocrite. Like, goddamn, yeah, we blacks and we boycotting, boycotting Target. But when them TVs are a little less than they are everywhere else, I'm just go get this because I want to save some money because I have.

[Hip Hop Obama]

This money is finite. I need this.

[Mandy B.]

And it's something that. That's working for me in a moment that I'm supposed to be standing for something. So, Carol, do you stand for something but benefit from it when it matters to you? Only because, yeah, you're. You're kind of contributing to what the system is right now, but you're supposed to be fighting against it.

[Hip Hop Obama]

You supposed to fight against it. And she's. The whole thing is she's fighting all of these. She's fighting all of these dualities. Right? Like even. And like, Carol is a miserable person.

[Mandy B.]

Person.

[Hip Hop Obama]

But she writes fantasy for other people to be happy. Yeah, she's miserable.

[Mandy B.]

Yep.

[Hip Hop Obama]

When this all thing. When this whole thing happens, these 11 people are all happy. But she goes, like, I call her Karen Carroll because like, she on them at that. At that conversation on Air Force One telling them what they need to do. And she's trying to tell the Indian lady, that's not your child. She's like, that is my child. Like, who the fuck are you?

[Mandy B.]

I also really love that in terms of. And so far where we're at in the show, we haven't met the other people because they don't speak English. Right. I really love how in the Karen way, she's the only white woman and everyone else are people of color.

[Hip Hop Obama]

Everybody.

[Mandy B.]

And she's now trying to tell all of these people of color what they need to do. Because what she thinks is the right way and every which way they think is the wrong way.

[Hip Hop Obama]

What would make her happy?

[Mandy B.]

Happy should make them.

[Hip Hop Obama]

Should make you happy.

[Jason Rodriguez]

Can I throw a twist to it, though? I, I would. I, I agree with what you're saying, but I also think that she feels that way because her life pre the virus, it was a microcosm of that. Right. Like she was, she was trapped where like her fans of her book writing, they were the virus, like zombies. Right. She was doing something that she didn't enjoy because like Mandy said, like, she's a lesbian. She's writing this like, closeted lesbian. She was closeted, right. So it's like, so then when it happens, it's like on a huge scale that she sees it around the world and she, she, I think she's like, this is my life. This is a bit like, we have to stop this. Everybody. The world can't be like what I'm suffering from. And I think that's so. I think like what we've seen in the early parts of the show, it's like she's clearly traumatized and she's seeing that. And, but it, and but the casting and the way that they set it up really makes it look problematic because she's the white woman who wants to speak to the English speaking people. But I think it's, I think it's interesting and there's like so many overlapping.

[Hip Hop Obama]

Yeah.

[Jason Rodriguez]

Kind of themes of like, choice and technology and even like the idea of not understanding the consequences of your asks.

[Hip Hop Obama]

That part I wanted to get to too.

[Big Long]

Yeah.

[Hip Hop Obama]

Or even just the consequences of your actions. Like the show is called Pluribus. Right. And Plur.

[Jason Rodriguez]

The.

[Hip Hop Obama]

The essence of that is out of many one E Pluribus on them.

[Mandy B.]

Right.

[Hip Hop Obama]

Out of many one. And so the idea is that everything that we do as individuals affects the world. Right. And this has been talked about on. And really it made me think about Mr. Morale and the Big Steppers and it made me think about Most Def Black on both sides.

[Mandy B.]

You love to bring it back to hip hop.

[Jason Lee]

Oh, yeah.

[Hip Hop Obama]

Oh, yeah. We gonna.

[Jason Rodriguez]

I wanna hear it made me think of the Matrix.

[Mandy B.]

I wanna hear about that.

[Hip Hop Obama]

Okay, so. So most deaf black on both sides came out in 1999.

[Mandy B.]

Okay.

[Hip Hop Obama]

There's a song on that album called Fear not of Man. And in that song, in the. I think it's in the beginning of the song, before he even starts rapping, he's talking and he's like, oh, people always asking me about hip hop. Where is hip hop going? Where is hip hop going? And his response is, hip hop is going wherever we going. If we happy, hip hop is happy. If we're healthy, hip hop is healthy. If we're doing the right thing, hip hop is doing the right thing. It's about us reflecting the world. This is what we want to do, you know, be the change. You want to see that type of thing. Mr. Morale and the Big Steppers is the whole album is based off this guy, Eckhart Tolle, who's in the album as, like, Kendrick's therapist. And the whole concept of Eckhart Tolle is.

Like, one person reflects society. Each of us individually reflect society. What we're going through, our traumas reflect society. The things that we're trying to change reflect society. And so this whole show is kind of centered around that whole kind of idea. Carol loses her temperature. 16 million people die. Die. She thought she was just losing her temper for herself at the moment, but it impacted. It impacted all of these people that she had no idea about, didn't really even give a fuck about.

Her.

[Jason Rodriguez]

One peer. The one peer gave the example. She was like, my husband was driving, driving. And you did that.

[Mandy B.]

And he died.

[Jason Rodriguez]

My grandfather, he crashed and he died.

[Hip Hop Obama]

And you thought because of you. So, like, you can point all of these fingers at saying, you're doing this, you're doing this, you're doing this. You are part of the problem, too.

[Mandy B.]

Which is crazy, because being an individual. Well, and we've talked about that in terms of climate change, global warming. We've talked about it in terms of where you purchase your clothes. Because if you care about the children overseas that are working for pennies a day, why do you keep buying fast Faction, Wake it up. The Apple iPhones that we use, like, it's the technology, but if it makes your life better, sometimes, again, you don't even view yourself as a part of the problem. You just want to find the bits of happiness. Which is also why I called it subjective. Right. But again, the things that you're partaking in. You don't understand the harm that it's causing elsewhere. And I didn't actually draw that parallel. But yes, you're very right.

[Hip Hop Obama]

And so part of the thing is, like, what as a society, what are we willing to accept for our convenience, wants, needs, whatever it is.

[Mandy B.]

Right. Can we go down those lists with us? Like, what is one of the.

Things that you do that you enjoy doing that you know may be causing harm elsewhere?

[Hip Hop Obama]

Alcohol.

[Jason Lee]

Yeah.

[Mandy B.]

What do you mean by that?

[Hip Hop Obama]

Every weekend I go to a bar, and every bar has a parking lot, and all those parking lots have cars in them. And all the people who are in those bars are gonna go get in those cars and drive away.

[Jason Lee]

Yeah.

[Hip Hop Obama]

We as society expect everyone in that bar to drink, to not be short or drink enough. Either. Either don't drink at all.

[Mandy B.]

Right.

[Hip Hop Obama]

Drink enough to know your limit, be responsible with this dangerous thing that you have or call a car, and don't get in that car. But everyone in that. Everyone who's drinking, regardless of whether we think they should be, what their level are, everyone's gonna get in that car.

[Mandy B.]

I will say it's such a southern mindset. Like, it's been. It's been the selective ignorance down here that I hate the most because I still don't have a car. I live very New York down here in Atlanta. I Uber everywhere, and when I go out with my friends, you already know, I'll make us Uber.

[Hip Hop Obama]

Yeah, you're big Uber.

[Mandy B.]

Like, no, I'm big uber, nigga. Leave your car at home. Come park at my house if we're gonna go out. And if you're too lit when we get back to my house, you can stay the night. But you. I'm not getting in a car with who even drink. Even the other day, like, my. We. We went out and Crystal had her Tesla and I was mad as that she came anyways because when you go out to one place with me, you really end up at 3.

[Hip Hop Obama]

It's all night thing, and it's all.

[Mandy B.]

Night thing, and we're gonna be drinking everywhere. But literally we got in the car and I was like. And I was like, no, she good. She literally didn't even finish. We had a vodka soda. That's. That was her only drink. I was like, okay, okay. But baby, if we do shots, if we do more than one drink, I'm not getting in the car with you.

[Jason Lee]

And that's the thing. Like, I've always had like a. I wouldn't used to have. Well, I Don't really drink. I honestly. Probably the most I drink is when I'm with y'.

[Mandy B.]

All.

[Jason Rodriguez]

You know what I mean?

[Hip Hop Obama]

But no, no, no.

[Jason Rodriguez]

Wait, wait, wait. He said, I'm putting cake on all.

[Mandy B.]

By the way. You don't even know. Wait.

[Jason Lee]

Copy meaning it's not an extraordinary amount.

[Mandy B.]

That night I bought. Bought a bottle.

[Hip Hop Obama]

I mean there's moments.

[Mandy B.]

We went out, bought a bottle. These we close. It wasn't legend.

[Jason Lee]

They don't have breathalyzers in the car.

[Mandy B.]

Shout out.

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[Mandy B.]

Shout out to Ayanna. This was. This was wait. Weekend of more music.

[Hip Hop Obama]

That was. That was after the second night.

[Mandy B.]

After the second night, we end up going out to my favorite spot, Mck. We get a table. My friend buying bottles. I'm buying bottles. Cuz I said, no, we need a table. We go out, baby. We had a time.

[Jason Lee]

Oh yeah.

[Mandy B.]

But I'm not gonna lie. Drink way too much.

[Jason Lee]

But again, it's like.

[Mandy B.]

Drink way too much.

[Jason Lee]

Yeah, it's.

[Hip Hop Obama]

But that's the thing about it.

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[Hip Hop Obama]

But I'm saying.

[Mandy B.]

That was a good answer.

[Hip Hop Obama]

Yeah, but the over. But the high. But the bigger. The bigger picture of it is, is that society. We've accepted that.

Some people are gonna get DUIs. Some people are gonna die. Die every single year.

[Jason Rodriguez]

People for having a good time, for.

[Hip Hop Obama]

Having a good time for families, kids, dogs. People are going to die in DUIs every single year. Guarantee every single day, every night. Society is not ever going to say we're going back to Prohibition.

[Mandy B.]

Let's remove.

[Hip Hop Obama]

If you had a vote to. To say we're going back removing alcohol, it will unanimously get shot down by everybody because no one's going to give up their alcohol. And how many people die of DUIs? Well, what's that number that you're willing to accept? Charlie Kirk himself in a lot of trouble after he died because he said that comment about the Second Amendment.

[Mandy B.]

Huh?

[Hip Hop Obama]

He said, I think it's worth it to have this right people to die.

[Jason Rodriguez]

And some people are gonna die.

[Hip Hop Obama]

And people are mad about that. And I understand it because it's a different topic a little bit. And people are sensitive to that concept. But what he was saying, what I'm. What I'm. What I'm hearing when he says that is that. That doesn't just apply to guns. That applies to a lot of everything.

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[Jason Rodriguez]

There's a value proposition against decisions, against decisions.

[Hip Hop Obama]

And like, how many people. What is that number? Like the same way you say everybody has a price. Every. We all accepting a Certain number. What is that?

[Mandy B.]

Number of people that all accepting something to be happy. To be happy that we like.

[Jason Lee]

What's the compromise?

[Hip Hop Obama]

What's the compromise for your happiness? For us to do what we want to do. What. And what is that number? Is it 50,000 people? Is it 100,000 people? Is it 5 million?

[Jason Lee]

I'm tell you the number. The number that we don't have to know about because that's why we go in the store and we go and buy these.

[Hip Hop Obama]

You don't even think about it.

[Jason Lee]

We know about the, the factories, but we still go and shop.

[Hip Hop Obama]

You don't leave the store paying. We don't have. No, you don't leave the store in shame. You're not hiding your iPhone.

[Jason Lee]

When you read the article, then in that moment, you're like, damn, Damn.

[Jason Rodriguez]

But there's still, but there's still a tension within those decisions. And that's what makes like the world that we live in versus, like the show where there's like, it's just, it's just all clear from the gate. Exactly. You don't have to like, worry about it. Where it's like, with us, like, it's, it influences like, should I buy this or not? Should I have that third drink or not? Are we going to do shots or not? You know, influences.

[Hip Hop Obama]

And this is the way.

[Mandy B.]

But this is a way to put it right, ja. Roughly 12 to 14,000 people a year die in alcohol impaired crashes.

Would you stop drinking to save. If you knew your drink, your drinking ability could save 12 to 14,000 people a year, would you stop drinking today?

[Hip Hop Obama]

No.

[Mandy B.]

See. Okay. Okay. And I think that that's the interesting part because when we talk about this idea of world peace and coming together as one and humanity, when we really dig deep into what our. What makes us happy in our individualism, it's why I don't believe we can ever meet up, come to a place of world piece because. And I love the, the, the reality and you being real and the fact that, yeah, N12 to 14,000 people, I don't know them. I want to have a drink.

[Hip Hop Obama]

I want to have this Hennessy. I want this dude. I want this crazy.

[Jason Rodriguez]

It's going to make me feel good.

[Hip Hop Obama]

Yeah. I want this rep real quick for me.

[Mandy B.]

And I mentioned it earlier.

Fast fashion is mine for sure.

Y' all have heard me be ignorant as hell to say.

I know a kid made this T shirt. This is she in, bitch. I know a kid was slaving away for this T shirt. And in terms of child labor If I stop buying from Sheen Fashion, Nova Zara, these kids might have a better life.

[Hip Hop Obama]

No, no. Because someone else will.

[Jason Rodriguez]

But also that might be the only means of them to make money. Even if it's five cents.

[Mandy B.]

I mean, that's what I'm saying. Whether it's five cents or not, the way we view child labor here in the States is different than other people, which is the same way. If you, if you really want to draw parallels. Same thing with non monogamy, polygamy and polyamory in other parts of the world are viewed drastically different than how we view it here in the Western hemisphere. Before we.

[Jason Lee]

I just want to say something before you.

[Mandy B.]

Go ahead, just make me sound even more.

[Hip Hop Obama]

No, no.

[Jason Lee]

Just, just in the concept of the. The movie, the series, in another episode, you mentioned you had difficulty with the cleaning service.

[Mandy B.]

Uh huh. Last weekend.

[Jason Lee]

Last. Right, last. But would you, would that be part of. You wanted a bunch of people saying, hey Mandy, we gonna clean? We know you want espanol, but we're here to clean your apartment.

[Mandy B.]

Oh, I'm not even gonna lie. I've already said I would wanna be a part of taking advantage of everybody.

[Jason Lee]

Advantage. But you don't wanna be like, bruh.

[Hip Hop Obama]

But what does that mean? Does that mean you're diabate or you're in the high.

[Mandy B.]

Oh, I'm worse than diabate.

Baby, baby. The way that we be outside season two. The way we be season two.

[Hip Hop Obama]

Yeah, 100% the way we be outside.

[Mandy B.]

Hey, Method man, give me some dick.

[Hip Hop Obama]

Run it up. Like, run it up, run it up.

[Jason Rodriguez]

But that's where the show reminds me of the Matrix.

[Mandy B.]

No one could say no to me. Yeah bro, clean my house. And I guess that's where again, the idea of humanity to me, and especially as a woman, is the right for us to have a choice to say no. Yeah, choice is the right to be.

[Jason Rodriguez]

A no, choice is a big part.

[Mandy B.]

Of it, actually what we want to do, not what someone else wants us to do. And it's the, it's very interesting to watch this too because it's kind of again, what we see that French character do. And where our mind goes is essentially no different than what we. What. What happened for 400 years was slavery.

[Hip Hop Obama]

But here's the thing, you know, like.

[Mandy B.]

Like they didn't have the choice to say no, I don't want to do this. But they were at the mercy of what someone else wanted, whether it be crops, whether it be cleaning, whether it be.

[Jason Rodriguez]

But, but that's an interesting example because it. Fucks up both sides. It does like, like, it not only fucks up, like, the people who are experiencing it, but the people who are making those decisions throughout the 400 years. They're all fucked up.

[Mandy B.]

Which is why, to me, it was interesting because there's a battle with Carol being the Karen of wanting to change it back to what society was. And because there is a toggle to where, wait, this isn't right. But yes, it is a better world, but is it really? Because now these people don't have choices.

[Jason Rodriguez]

So, so look, let me land my, like, my Matrix point real quick because I keep bringing it up. But like, in the Matrix, so. But in the Matrix, it was an example about, like, the world and they were doing. So it's like the first time they did it, it was all perfection and people were unhappy. It was same thing. World peace, you don't have to worry about murders. And people found unhappiness in that because they didn't have choice. Choice. So then he went like the complete opposite, the architect. And he made it like war, famine, and like. And. And again with that, like that. That people were just as unhappy. So then they found that someplace in the middle where they had choice. Right? And so, like, even if you have a semblance of choice, that's like, you know, it could be such a minimum thing where it's like what I wear today. And, and you know, some, Some people have other means and they have bigger choices, but it's, It's. It's somewhere in between. And I think it's funny to call her the Karen and there is, like, Karen behaviors in it. But I also. But I think she's fighting for the idea of like, like, let's have choice. Like when she says, like, that's not your family, because her.

[Mandy B.]

The.

[Jason Rodriguez]

The. The. The. Her children will listen to everything she says with no pushback. Her husband. Her husband will listen. And, and that. So it's like they don't have a choice. So now you're dealing with people who don't have choice. And that's not real either. I. I think that's kind of like her pursuit more than me.

[Hip Hop Obama]

No, that's fair. And. But I think that there's an inherent idea that, like, we value ch. Choice. We do value choice, but we value choice.

[Mandy B.]

That's why we're in a democracy where we believe we have a choice in even who runs the we.

[Jason Rodriguez]

And I would even say we value the emotion behind the idea of choice because sometimes we don't even really have a real choice.

[Hip Hop Obama]

And well, that's the part I was going to get to was that we, we value choice, but we also see choice as the happiness we do. And choice does not have to be the happiness. Choice can be the thing that you all.

[Mandy B.]

Well, yeah, because you could. There's right and wrong.

[Hip Hop Obama]

You can choose wrong. You can choose wrong. You can choose wrong. Someone else has a choice too. You do something and that someone else reacts to it. I ran down last episode, I ran down on the guy of the Home Depot van. Pulled up on him. It wasn't him right now. Okay. I made that choice. He could have made a choice. He could have made a choice to be like, who the fuck is this nigga running down on me like this? And it just cascades down. That guy gets out the car, tries to shoot me, but he misses. He hits somebody across the street with a bullet.

[Jason Lee]

All because of that.

[Hip Hop Obama]

All because I went down there, confronted him. Him. He made a choice, then his choice affected that person over there.

[Mandy B.]

Right.

[Hip Hop Obama]

To do what was going on.

[Mandy B.]

Yeah. It's tricky if you haven't seen it because when the series ends and I. I do hope Apple TV is not really. Or they are notorious for seasons not going very long over there, which I don't know why because we all got these Apple phones. I don't know why.

[Hip Hop Obama]

I hope it's 10 episodes. I hope it's 10. We need.

[Mandy B.]

I would like to. I hate the series that are 6 or 8.

[Hip Hop Obama]

6 and 8 is not.

[Jason Rodriguez]

There's not enough time to unpack it.

[Mandy B.]

But because. Because it's from the creator. Like I said, Breaking Bad and Better Call Saul.

[Hip Hop Obama]

Vince Gilligan.

[Mandy B.]

Shout out.

[Hip Hop Obama]

Vince Gilligan.

[Mandy B.]

Shout out to Vince.

[Jason Lee]

Gillian, are you expecting a plot twist?

[Mandy B.]

I am expecting. Of course I am expecting that this show kind of like what's the one I really like? No, what's. What's the guy that I really with the black guy with the end of the world. Oh, that is already locked into a season two that I want you to come back.

[Hip Hop Obama]

Oh, oh, you talking about Sterling K. Brown.

[Mandy B.]

Yeah, Sterling K. Brown.

[Jason Rodriguez]

Oh yeah. On Hulu. Hulu. Sterling K. Come on.

[Mandy B.]

Journalism.

[Jason Rodriguez]

Jason Paradise.

[Hip Hop Obama]

Paradise.

[Mandy B.]

So what I'm hoping is that season two for this has already been written and they're just. They just need the green light to where they go straight into. Cuz what I'm also hating is like the fact that Stranger Things just released, but released what, three years later, bro. Like, Jesus Christ.

[Hip Hop Obama]

Especially with show. It's one thing if the show is just kind of like I'm Getting into.

[Mandy B.]

That too, I want to talk about.

[Hip Hop Obama]

But it showed it like this. That has like deep things to unpack. Like you can't give us six episodes and expect us to get the whole.

[Mandy B.]

We need to be more invested.

[Jason Rodriguez]

Yeah. I think the good thing is they're TV people doing it. They're not like movie people parachuting in doing tv, which is what they're busy doing.

[Mandy B.]

I'm excited by this.

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[Mandy B.]

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[Mandy B.]

Psst.

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[Mandy B.]

Marshalls and celebrities say the darnest things, y'. All. I'm the celebrity.

Apparently. So a couple weeks ago, of course, Rory, my good friend Rory, who I'm not canceling. So. And I'm not going to sit here and go through why people were trying to cancel him. It's a couple weeks old now, but someone, I guess, I don't know what they thought they were doing. I don't know if they were warning me or blackmailing me. But I got weird. It was weird.

[Jason Rodriguez]

Yeah.

[Mandy B.]

I got emailed my tweets from 2011 through 2013 and they clearly decided to search the word blacks and black women.

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[Hip Hop Obama]

That'S going to be the highest search thing in the, in the Twitter.

[Mandy B.]

Algorithm over the next month. Month. If you spoke about blacks or black women and you are a black person, I'm coming to see what the you had to say now because I am me. I am she. I am going to read some of these tweets. Or you know what, maybe I'll have Jason read them so that I can respond. And this is kind of a mix of celebrities say the darnest things, but also double down or take it back. Back. And so you will in real time see me double down or take it back with explanations.

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[Jason Rodriguez]

So they emailed you?

[Mandy B.]

They did email me. They emailed me a number.

[Jason Rodriguez]

Tweet.

[Mandy B.]

A number of tweets.

[Jason Rodriguez]

Yeah. So it was, it was like 7.7tweets with just question mark as a subject line. That's the part that's strange.

[Hip Hop Obama]

Some real riddler, like some real Gotham City.

[Jason Rodriguez]

Are you friend or foe?

[Mandy B.]

I don't know. Are you friend or foe Me or shout out to Gina views. So me and Gina was talking about all this while it was happening. So I sent her this email that found that cash app. Yeah, all the things. Because I got your email. So we were searching. His name is Joshua. I forgot the last name. But anywho, we found your cash app. And what are you doing this for? I don't know if you're a fan or a foe.

[Jason Lee]

Clarify.

[Mandy B.]

Suck my dick from the back. Anyways, I Am going to now know double down or take it back. And then I do want to lean into y' all because we've all been a part of black Twitter. Kind of what this time frame of tweets was, what it means to actually change or evolve or stay the same. So go ahead.

[Jason Rodriguez]

A Tweet from Mandy, May 5, 2017. I read the comment. I read the comments often. Black women despise black men with any women lighter than them.

[Mandy B.]

Dot, dot, dot, Double down now. Duh. Yeah.

[Jason Lee]

And that's bro.

[Mandy B.]

It's still happening. And this was 2017. The. The other ones are all like 2011 to 2013. Yeah. Black women hate to see black men with any.

[Jason Lee]

But we see it play out.

[Mandy B.]

Black women. Okay. Don't have to stay on this.

[Jason Rodriguez]

Okay, so J. How about this one? J? August 15, 2013, 10:15 in the morning. Mandy thought, this is crazy. My preference in women isn't black women, but large. God. Do I have my exceptions? You like an ellipsy?

[Mandy B.]

I do. Okay. Now, here's the thing.

[Jason Rodriguez]

Here's the thing.

[Mandy B.]

This one sounds bad. I ain't going.

[Hip Hop Obama]

That one sounds crazy.

[Jason Lee]

She said her preference.

[Jason Rodriguez]

Her prep.

[Hip Hop Obama]

She did say her preference.

[Jason Lee]

What I like.

[Hip Hop Obama]

Right.

[Jason Rodriguez]

Maybe has ultimate cover, though, which is.

[Mandy B.]

Also crazy because my preference in men is only black men. Now at this time, did you like.

[Jason Rodriguez]

Them whites with the long hair?

[Mandy B.]

No.

[Hip Hop Obama]

You would know better than the NBA player.

[Mandy B.]

You. You ready? You ready?

[Hip Hop Obama]

You play for the pacers.

[Mandy B.]

Mandy Porter Jr. You want to know.

[Hip Hop Obama]

What'S funny is Mandy Halberton, you know.

[Mandy B.]

You want to know what's funny? I just talked about.

[Jason Lee]

That's the crazy.

[Mandy B.]

You know, it's crazy. I had a. I had a threesome this year with my first white woman with an NBA player. And I told him, I said, not you making me my first white.

[Hip Hop Obama]

Yeah.

[Mandy B.]

And. But I don't like white women.

[Jason Lee]

Never been with white women experience. If you want to share, I ain't going to lie.

[Mandy B.]

It was lit it all right. She was kind of fun. She sucked the out that dick.

[Jason Rodriguez]

I was gonna say. Yeah. She probably knew what to do with that mouth. It was cool. Yeah.

[Mandy B.]

Her was nice. It was cute.

[Hip Hop Obama]

It was cute.

[Mandy B.]

Would I do it again and wouldn't be my preference. You know, but if it happens, it happens. I'm double down and taking this back because. Only because this was from 2013. My preference now is only black women. I really don't.

[Jason Rodriguez]

So no pink nipples.

[Hip Hop Obama]

Yeah.

[Mandy B.]

I like the little butterscotch. But you know, all of my women that I've dealt With in the past five, six years plus have all been black women.

[Jason Rodriguez]

Let's go back to pre like just a couple days before Christmas.

[Mandy B.]

That's crazy.

[Jason Rodriguez]

2011, 8:36 in the morning.

[Hip Hop Obama]

Ja ho ho ho. Wiping the coal out her eyes right in a toothbrush.

[Mandy B.]

What I say talking.

[Jason Rodriguez]

She said our quote, she did a quotes around this are quote unquote black girls still throwing shade at black men for dating white light skinned women. Rolls eyes, waits for valid response. Why'd you put black girls in quotes?

[Hip Hop Obama]

That's some real Trump shit.

[Jason Rodriguez]

What did you mean by that?

[Hip Hop Obama]

Like that like putting quotes around random.

[Mandy B.]

Very clear. Because.

I included light skinned women. So the quotes around the black girls were the darker skinned women who also lean into. I don't want to say reverse colorism but they, they line up too with the light skinned black women who also go with black men. Right. Like there, there's, there's wars between. Okay, are you dark skinned, brown skin, light skin. Like the colorism of the spectrum. Sometimes light skinned black girls get grouped into oh he's only with you because you're light skinned. And maybe and I don't know again, this is from 2011, 2013. I don't know what was on the timeline that was like, like why are, why is this a thing? And I've always questioned like why is this a thing? And to be fair, it's been questioned about me like where women have told me oh but you don't count as a black girl cuz you're biracial or you real light skinned or. So there's been conversations about me saying oh well I'm black and this man is dating a black. Yeah, but you light skin. So to me it's just still questioning things I do want to get into the ones that I absolutely double down on and don't understand why 14 years later there is still questions about it. So let's get into. Because you're going into you reading ones that are all the same.

[Jason Rodriguez]

I got this one, this next one feels a little, I was gonna say speaking of mix this next one. August 10, 2011. You see this one. But when I say I'm white, people completely ignore that because I'm half black.

[Mandy B.]

That's what I'm saying.

[Jason Rodriguez]

But even now black people walk around calling each other the N bomb all day long. N bomb man. That's like the white side of you.

But they want to get their panties in a bunch when another race says it. Fuck out of here. The N word is overrated.

[Mandy B.]

Wow.

[Jason Rodriguez]

Are so sensitive to things.

[Mandy B.]

Which is also crazy because if you go to literally another tweet around that I'm talking about the N word and I say it's sensitive, ignorant, attacky, but also it's why I don't allow any of my friends who are not black to say it. You could read that verbatim. But there's two around the same thing. Which is crazy because clearly my only tweets around blacks and black people and black women are all about the same. Which I'm doubling down on.

The same day too.

He was still in office at the time. No, 2011, I was in Miami.

[Jason Rodriguez]

2011 I was living mixed in Miami, saying.

[Hip Hop Obama]

I was trying to see what.

[Jason Lee]

Might have been been your experiences on the social level that, I mean, I.

[Mandy B.]

Was in the club.

[Jason Rodriguez]

But also he said on a social level, where were you? What side of your family? Were you close?

[Mandy B.]

So nigga is a word that no, all you Puerto Ricans, Cubans, Dominicans shouldn't be saying. But then at the same time, you have a lot of Afro Caribbean people who don't know nigga is not a part of their. Nigga is an American word. And so it's just like, like the nword was. And again, maybe to me at the time, I'm not surrounded by black Americans, right? Everyone using it is everything but black American. So maybe at this time I also maybe wasn't using the nword as, as fluently. I did live in Atlanta for a little bit and then I mean my just whole circle is, is black people. But growing up in Florida, no, I think everyone that's using it isn't really African American.

[Jason Lee]

I actually cuz sometimes times when we tweet these things, especially what's your lived experience in the moment.

[Mandy B.]

But at this time in the moment, you see, they was trying to say Obama wasn't black. So me as a biracial girl. They definitely was trying to say. Which is why even when I say I'm white, maybe at this time I even thought I could say that I was white.

[Jason Rodriguez]

And you were like, you were like, you were like 21, 19, 20, 21.

[Mandy B.]

That's when these tweets are like, yeah, maybe at the time I thought otherworldly as a biracial, I could identify as either or right now, today, with enough lived experience, no, I'm black. I'd have lived in Singapore. I don't went abroad. I didn't, I didn't even have a passport while I was tweeting these. You know what I mean? I got my passport when I was 22 years old. So this is the ignorance of me being in America, living in Florida, where most people are not African American. Like, if you're black, oftentimes your family is from Haiti or Jamaica or the islands. Like, it's just different. Different. And they don't identify as African American. They identify as the island that they're, that they're from. So that's where this comes from. By the way, the other two tweets is what I wanted to get into. If you don't mind folks using the N word as much. I want to get into the other two things.

[Jason Rodriguez]

The light skinned girl.

[Bowen Yang]

Nope.

[Mandy B.]

First. First tweets. First tweet. Second line. Let's get into it because this is still my goal and I haven't done a really good job at it. Let's get into these two things that are still an issue within our community.

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[Mandy B.]

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[Jason Rodriguez]

I'mma make it my goal in life to teach black people how to tip.

[Mandy B.]

Oh yeah, let's get.

And then hashtag. I'm just saying this probably comes from me being a bartender, me being a server. Cuz that's what I did at this time.

[Hip Hop Obama]

I can see that.

[Mandy B.]

And do you know how embarrassing it is to work in an atmosphere around other people of other colors and hear them talk about us to where they don't want to serve you. They don't care to give you that much, much of good service? Because there is a stereotype that it doesn't matter how good the service is. How above and beyond I go, black people don't tip.

[Jason Lee]

Yeah.

[Mandy B.]

And I hated that I was experiencing that at the hands of my own people because I wanted to believe that this is just a stereotype. And I don't like that my co workers are saying the same thing. And unfortunately. And it could be a socioeconomic thing. Right. I get that sometimes you make just enough to finally enjoy a meal outside and you don't consider that tipping is a part of that meal.

[Hip Hop Obama]

Right.

[Mandy B.]

And so again I'm going to blame the socioeconomic oppression that has ravaged our community. However.

However.

Still in 2025. When was this tweet? This was 2011.

[Jason Rodriguez]

2011. April 16, 2011.

[Mandy B.]

Damn it. 14 years later you still don't know how to take tip.

[Jason Lee]

Yeah, listen, we see it all the time.

[Hip Hop Obama]

Yeah, we've had arguments about this amongst unnamed co workers. But like we talked about this in the office just shooting the. It's like damn. Like there was, there was one of our co workers in particular that was just adamant about like that's not my problem.

[Mandy B.]

You see what I mean?

[Hip Hop Obama]

I was like.

[Jason Lee]

Nah, you right.

[Hip Hop Obama]

I'm paying for the food.

[Mandy B.]

Okay, so then take your ass through McDonald's drive thru. But if you are gonna take it to go, if you're gonna sit down and receive a service, there needs to be a tip.

[Hip Hop Obama]

Well also.

[Mandy B.]

Which I also find interesting. I don't know if y' all saw on Twitter last week they, they uploaded a blank receipt and we're literally asking how much tip do you live leave? It was like $131 and some change.

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[Mandy B.]

And it Was interesting to see what people thought they should leave as a tip. Now I go straight to. Mind you, I was $100,020. And then I count by fives based on that. So I was like, okay, 131. I'm leaving a 26 tip. Then you had people that wanted to get into the change. The change is saying the same. I'm not doing.

[Hip Hop Obama]

Yeah.

[Mandy B.]

But it was interesting to see, like leaving $10 on it. Like the idea of even the percentage that should be like, left based on what you're spending. We still don't know. Like, I.

[Jason Rodriguez]

So I have a question.

[Mandy B.]

Maybe it's selective ignorance.

[Jason Rodriguez]

Bad. Bad service with bad service. Mandy, do you low tip or no tip?

[Mandy B.]

I low tip. They 10%. 10%. That's my low tip. If it's really bad service. You didn't come check on the table. I sat there and was drinking air. Cuz you refuse to even refill my water. I don't. I don't know tip, but at 10% tip.

[Hip Hop Obama]

Well, here's the thing. For me, it's like with tipping, even with the socioeconomic part of it. Right. Which is a fair thing to say though, because. Okay, I get that. But.

What are you gonna do with the $8?

[Mandy B.]

Put it towards something else.

[Hip Hop Obama]

What are you gonna do with the 10? Like, I can see if.

The tip had to be something crazy. And you like, I'm not paying double the amount of this object. But it's like if you could buy a 500 dinner, then you can afford the 100 tip.

[Mandy B.]

But I'm even talking about say the 50 dinner.

[Jason Rodriguez]

Exactly.

[Mandy B.]

You're leaving $3. That's a 50 dinner. Should be $10.

[Hip Hop Obama]

But are you, are you that hard pressed for the 10 bucks? All you're gonna do.

[Jason Rodriguez]

I think, I think people walk in and they, they just know they're not gonna tip. Like, they're just trifling and they're just like, no matter what they do, like.

[Hip Hop Obama]

I'm keeping my money, no extra money.

[Mandy B.]

And that's.

[Hip Hop Obama]

But you just paid $35 for a margarita that cost $3.

[Mandy B.]

But the stereotype is that it's us doing it.

[Hip Hop Obama]

Yeah.

[Mandy B.]

And so. And by the way, stereotype, white people are tricky.

[Hip Hop Obama]

I want to see y' all know.

[Mandy B.]

Who tips the most. Let me ask y', all, who y' all think?

[Jason Rodriguez]

Let's guess.

[Mandy B.]

Let me honestly, who do y' all think tips the most?

[Jason Rodriguez]

I think it's either white men or Latin men.

[Mandy B.]

I would white te. Nope.

[Hip Hop Obama]

I was thinking women.

[Mandy B.]

Okay. By the way, it's not a color. You ready?

[Jason Rodriguez]

It's women.

[Mandy B.]

The gays.

[Jason Lee]

Ah.

[Mandy B.]

Gay.

[Jason Rodriguez]

White, White. White. Gay or black. Gay or. Doesn't matter.

[Mandy B.]

Doesn't matter. The color could be Latina.

[Hip Hop Obama]

What is that based on? What is that?

[Mandy B.]

I worked gay nights. Oh.

[Hip Hop Obama]

For.

[Mandy B.]

I've been. My lived experience.

[Hip Hop Obama]

Right, right.

[Mandy B.]

My lived experience. And also just other bartenders who may even be straight. I know straight, straight, straight men that will go bartending boxers. That's just one of the ones I know in New York. But gay men, especially if you're quick, funny, look attractive, you're just gonna get so much more tips. Like, and they just. They do the least. They want a vodka soda, like, or maybe. Or maybe a Shirley. Could be ordering Shirley Temples. And they're gonna tip like gay men. Doesn't matter. The color are the best. Best tippers out there. And then maybe if you're in fine dining, then sure. White men. Or I'm not even going to say white men. I'm going to say business cards.

[Jason Rodriguez]

Business cards.

[Mandy B.]

If you know that it's a business meeting and it's going on. On the business, then you're going to get tipped well or over. But to me, all this. Gay men tip the best.

[Hip Hop Obama]

That's interesting. I mean, I guess there's a level of selective ignorance that I could apply to that and say do for. For gay men, outside of being accosted for your sexuality. I feel like for a lot of gay men, perhaps the worst thing you could be is raggedy.

Or be.

What's the word I'm looking for? Like, not have couth or not know how to treat people or not know how to, like, conduct yourself toward others. That maybe they feel like. Like I'm not going to be.

[Mandy B.]

That maybe I. And I don't know the answer.

[Hip Hop Obama]

But you call me a lot of things, but you're not going to call me when I.

[Mandy B.]

When I tell you gay men, like, you're not going to do that. They. They tip the best. They tip the best. And then here's another one, the last one.

[Jason Rodriguez]

There was a joke there about the tip and gay men. I'm not going to say that.

[Mandy B.]

No.

[Jason Rodriguez]

See.

[Mandy B.]

I mean, honestly, Jason, as long as you add comedian to your bio.

[Jason Rodriguez]

You can say these things, you know.

[Mandy B.]

You can literally say whatever you want. Go ahead and do that.

[Hip Hop Obama]

Yeah.

[Jason Rodriguez]

Did you make that change? I know you said you were going to do it.

[Mandy B.]

If you want to read that, that second one on the bottom, this is another one I am doubling completely down on.

[Jason Rodriguez]

Is this the. I'm 30 minutes late.

[Mandy B.]

Yep, yep, yep.

[Jason Rodriguez]

And still the first bitch here. Smh. Damn black people.

[Mandy B.]

What is. We still use CP time and black people are doubling down on being late. So yes, I have a problem with the fact that I showed up somewhere 30 minutes late and still was the first bitch there. And it clearly was a black soiree. It was our people. It was an event hosted, ran by our people.

[Jason Rodriguez]

Is it late if there's such a thing as CP time? And we all see what I mean.

[Mandy B.]

I don't like. I don't like that we lied.

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[Mandy B.]

The way I learned it. No, no, no. The way that I learned it heavily in Atlanta, Georgia. Here's the thing. When. And y' all know I like industry.

When you. When, when, when there's an event going on in New York. Oh baby, you better be there before it opens.

[Hip Hop Obama]

7 means.

[Mandy B.]

7 means 7 in New York or you're not getting. It's gonna be crazy. The whole sidewalk and everyone thinks they're important and so they walk right up to the front and it gets chaotic. So if there's an event, specifically an industry event, if it say seven o', clock, you better be already pulling up about 650 to make sure.

[Hip Hop Obama]

Just to make sure that's New York.

[Jason Lee]

And it's gonna end on time too.

[Mandy B.]

And it ends on time.

[Hip Hop Obama]

Because baby, be a no carrying on. It's done now.

[Mandy B.]

But. And there'll be somewhere where the overflow goes next, right? I realize now in Atlanta, if you show up on time here, you're going to be helping set up.

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[Mandy B.]

If an event starts at 7, the door is not even going to open till 7:45. Yeah, like, but on the flyer it's at 7 o'.

[Hip Hop Obama]

Clock. Don't get by none of that.

[Mandy B.]

What? Definite. So I've caught myself being like. And mind you, I'm a celebrity. I'm supposed to show up fashion. No, I'm the first one there. Like are still blowing balloons, right? And I'm like, oh wow. So here it's bothering me that when I see an event that says they start at 7 or 8, I gotta show up at 10.

[Hip Hop Obama]

And you gotta tell people. You gotta tell people it starts at 7:30.

[Mandy B.]

When.

[Hip Hop Obama]

Starts at 8:30.

[Mandy B.]

No, you raise ready here. Just everyone is showing up three hours late. So imagine the events like that really have to end at a certain time. Bro, everyone's showing up for the last 30 minutes.

[Hip Hop Obama]

Nobody's here for the whole event was punctuality. Drilled into you as a child.

[Jason Rodriguez]

Like, what's like a question?

[Hip Hop Obama]

Like, were you. Because my girl is like that. She's an event producer, right? And she's like, very much about, like, this goes in this sequence, this time. This is doors. This is this, this is this is this.

[Mandy B.]

I'll be honest with you, I think it came from a. I believed in. I mean, most of us as millennials, thought we would be rewarded for perfect attendance and shit like that, right? But for me, when kids came in late to class, which I was always really big with, my studies, my academia, it bothered me that if people walked in late, they disrupted the entire class. So it was the disruption. I just. It ingrained into me that, oh, you disrespect, respectful. You think this is on your time. You know what time it starts. We've already gotten into curriculum, and now everybody here that showed up on time because you chose to be late, we all got to stop what we're doing. The lesson. The teacher has to address you. You're now pulling out your desk, making all the noise. Even if we try to. Even if we try to ignore you, you still.

[Hip Hop Obama]

You don't disrupt the flow of things.

[Mandy B.]

And so to me, I've just. My entire life, I've viewed it as a sign of disrespect, but also as someone who took pride in showing up on time and being present, I always felt like, what makes you think you don't have to show up?

[Hip Hop Obama]

Yeah, why is it on your time?

[Mandy B.]

Why? And to me, it was always just, again, back to the individualism that a lot of us have. To me, I just always viewed it. And it's funny because the people listening, like when we have meet and greets and when we've done things for decisions decisions, they be like, see, bitch, be on of top. They know I don't like shit. That just like, why are you late? And so for me, I've genuinely viewed it as a sign of disrespect. I literally just had to have a conversation with a friend to where I brought it up in therapy. And I was like, we've been friends for, I don't know, 15 years or so. And I'm like, she's never on time. And a part of me is starting to despise and feel like I can't be friends with her because there's no way she respects me as a person person, because every time we're together, she's late.

[Hip Hop Obama]

Never take account with the time.

[Mandy B.]

Ever. Ever.

[Jason Lee]

Yeah, my mom says that a lot. That sh Late is a sign of disrespect.

[Mandy B.]

Like, you don't give a fuck.

[Jason Lee]

She said, come early and wait on me. Cause I'mma be on time.

[Hip Hop Obama]

Right? It's.

[Jason Lee]

But don't let me wait on you and you late. Cause then what? You know what I mean?

[Mandy B.]

Because then what? And so, yeah, for me, that's that. And I just hate that within our community specifically, which is why I'm doubling down on these two Twitter tweets that we have the stereotype that we don't tip, which means we don't respect service or good service. But guess what? We gonna be the first in the loudest to complain when the service ain't good.

[Hip Hop Obama]

Oh, it's fucked up. Yeah.

[Mandy B.]

Yeah. You know what I mean? And then for me. Yeah. Not respecting people's time. I think that's the bare minimum.

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[Mandy B.]

Showing up on time is the bare minimum of what you should expect from another human being. And I don't think we show up as that way. Everything else was, yeah. Me talking about the N word and black women and black men not liking black women. Which is also the craziest thing that I do want to say about this entire thing. You know who has the most to say about black women? On the Internet. On Beyonce's Internet? Black men. So the fact that black men who also had history.

Black men who also had the history of talking down on black women, being mad at Rory for saying shit about black women, I was just like, bro.

We went like days with the pots calling the kettle black.

[Jason Lee]

Yeah.

[Hip Hop Obama]

I mean.

[Mandy B.]

And I was just like, bro, a.

[Hip Hop Obama]

Lot of the group chats that I'm in, a lot of black women were bringing up that same thing. They were looking at the names of the people who was, like, cursing Rory out.

[Mandy B.]

What are we talking about?

[Hip Hop Obama]

And was looking at them like, you.

[Jason Lee]

Got a weird case.

[Hip Hop Obama]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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[Mandy B.]

You got a weird case.

[Hip Hop Obama]

Remember? Right in the pandemic.

[Mandy B.]

That is hilarious.

[Jason Rodriguez]

That is so funny.

[Mandy B.]

Yeah. No, facts, facts. So to me, it was just. It's just interesting. Like, what? What is it? Don't throw rocks in glass houses.

[Hip Hop Obama]

Oh, yeah.

[Jason Rodriguez]

Hide your hands. But if you are, black people mess up phrases, too. I'm gonna write that in a tweet so y' all can bring that up.

[Hip Hop Obama]

There's a few things. We gonna up your phrase. And we're gonna add an S on that.

[Jason Lee]

Oh, yeah.

[Mandy B.]

No, no, no, no. I hate that we're gonna add an S. Mind you, I'm from Orlando. It's the Orlando Magic. Not magix. Oh, yeah, and oxtail.

[Hip Hop Obama]

Oxtail, that's it.

[Jason Rodriguez]

Oxtail.

[Mandy B.]

As a Jamaican, there's no even planting, like, plantains.

[Hip Hop Obama]

And I'm not Jamaican either, but I'm Pissed me off.

[Mandy B.]

But yeah, like, so for me, like, in. In terms of everyone having an opinion, cool, you can have it. But if you've been a perpetrator of what you trying to be the Holy Grail around.

[Jason Lee]

Shut up, by the way.

[Mandy B.]

Shut the fuck up up, cuz.

[Jason Lee]

Joshua will send you that email.

[Mandy B.]

By.

[Jason Rodriguez]

The way, question mark.

[Mandy B.]

Anyone wondering if I responded to this email? I did. And I said, oh, you thought you ate with this, huh?

[Jason Lee]

Did he respond?

[Mandy B.]

No, he didn't. Because he realized he was hungry. He did not eat. In fact, with this email, he was starving.

[Jason Rodriguez]

He went back to searching for more tweets from somebody else.

[Mandy B.]

No, but also, MTV made me spend two hours deleting 28 pages of tweets already. So if you wanted to get me, you should have got me before I had an MTV show. Cause, boy, they scrubbed that shit and I was embarrassed, mind you, while I was reading it, I was like, bitch, I said that. I said that like, dead ass. I was like, I said that. But to me, tweets, Twitter, anything. A decade ago, bro. Again, the way we're talking about the sensitivity of the society we live in and the way that we're all educating and learning and growing again, if you've been fans of horrible decisions, there's been knowledge that I've learned about different layers and levels of sexual assault. Like, stealthing was something I learned in 2017. I didn't know back in 2012 when a nigga removed the condom on me, that I had been sexually, sexually assaulted, that it's a crime that now you could go to jail for. And so to me, if we're all learning as we're getting older, we shouldn't be holding people to the fire.

[Jason Rodriguez]

Allow for the growth to happen, you.

[Mandy B.]

Know, allow for us to evolve. Because that's also. Also the. The. The dope thing about humanity and choice, right, is the fact that we do get to change our minds, our thoughts, our views, our opinions. It gets to change. We get to evolve, and we get to go to therapy. We get to learn that them toxic relationships wasn't love. That was me being fucking insecure with myself or not having self worth. Like, we get to do those things. So this idea that we gonna hold people to the fire. Fire on tweets 10 years plus ago. Shut the fuck up. And Rory's one of the Best potters out there. So I don't give a fuck.

[Hip Hop Obama]

All right, I'm, you know, enough of your self accountability. Let's throw Rory under the bus.

[Mandy B.]

Oh, no, no, no, no, no. We're not doing that.

[Jason Lee]

Also too, the evolving of humanity. Marjorie Taylor Greene, she's kind of evolved. She's evolving as a politician.

[Mandy B.]

But I don't like the show.

[Hip Hop Obama]

Carry on, Carry on. I'm not going to throw Rory under the bus, but I am going to bring up Marjorie Taylor Green in relation to this whole thing.

[Jason Lee]

Right. Okay.

[Hip Hop Obama]

And here's the problem.

I personally think that the bringing up old tweets thing is whack me too. For a lot. For a lot of reasons that don't necessarily have to do with like, why you bringing up old. Like in these particular cases. Like, well, maybe Joshua is a whole another thing for you. But like for the people that brought up Kayla Nicole. Right.

[Sophie Cunningham]

Y.

[Hip Hop Obama]

These are people who are bringing these things up into self in. In defense of some rich white lady.

[Mandy B.]

Yep.

[Hip Hop Obama]

Literally, in Rory's case, this all came up over who's your rapper daddy? Literally, like this all came up because.

[Mandy B.]

Apparently he brought it up in a spaces.

[Hip Hop Obama]

What?

[Jason Rodriguez]

Yeah, but, but it, but it came up because they. They are accusing him of like writing for.

[Mandy B.]

Because he thought clip should get a Grammy.

[Hip Hop Obama]

Yeah. And that's what I'm saying. Like to me.

[Jason Lee]

Yeah, but come on.

[Hip Hop Obama]

Hey, let's be clear.

[Jason Lee]

There's a lot of poly sci fi shit going on in hip hop though.

[Mandy B.]

Okay.

[Hip Hop Obama]

You know that. Oh, oh.

[Jason Lee]

We scan through the genuineness of. And again, I'm to your point. I hate when they do that shit because.

[Hip Hop Obama]

Yeah, I just think he should be.

[Jason Lee]

Able to defend that shit.

[Hip Hop Obama]

But here's the problem. Here's to me where he fucked up at and where Marjorie Taylor Greene comes into it.

[Jason Lee]

Right.

[Hip Hop Obama]

When you go into spaces. If. If you have that on your jacket, especially if you're a white person and you're in this culture, if you have that on your jacket, you. It is your responsibility as a human being, as a white person to approach that situation seriously and hold that. For real. For real. Hold that.

[Jason Rodriguez]

That.

[Hip Hop Obama]

And don't be defensive about it. Don't scoff at it. Don't. You don't get to make jokes about it. You got to hold that. You have to approach that situation. If you're going to offer an apology, you have to offer a real apology. And like, if Marjorie Taylor Greene can offer a better fake apology than you can.

You look crazy.

[Mandy B.]

Well, his humor. I'll be Honest. The way he responded initially is exactly how I would have responded. I would have thought it was a joke. Like, y' all are really like. Which I think.

[Hip Hop Obama]

You don't get to be white and do that.

[Jason Rodriguez]

Exactly.

[Hip Hop Obama]

You don't get to be white and do that. You just don't. Like, that's just how it goes.

[Jason Rodriguez]

Yeah.

[Hip Hop Obama]

At least. But I'm like, but for a white man, I think.

[Jason Lee]

I think he could have handled it a lot better. I think there was a way.

[Ad]

Because it.

[Hip Hop Obama]

Cause it could have been over.

[Jason Lee]

I think maybe the pride might have been more.

[Hip Hop Obama]

My thing is.

[Mandy B.]

My thing is. Here's the thing. You're damned if you do, damned if you don't. Had he gotten on his knees and begged for forgiveness for an apology, there's a lot of people, because it was a lot of at home in their mama basement yelling into the phone like, ah, yeah. To me, even had he apologized out the gate, there's still so many people that wouldn't have accepted the apology.

[Hip Hop Obama]

Of course they wouldn't.

[Mandy B.]

Sure.

[Jason Rodriguez]

But, yeah, he's still got to do it better. And like. And I'll say this, I've had nothing but, like, positive interactions with Roy. Like, I don't know him super well, but I've always had positive.

[Mandy B.]

Maybe this is my bias, but.

[Jason Rodriguez]

But still, it's like. But as a white dude in it, regardless, like, you have to do a good apology because there's people that fuck with you and people that, like, with you, that, like you. And you have to apologize to them. For all the people who are going to make noise about it, they were going to do it anyway.

[Mandy B.]

Yeah.

[Jason Rodriguez]

And so, like, it has to be legit and, like, Super 100.

[Hip Hop Obama]

When you. When a white person violates a black person's trust, there's only one way you can play that out. And if you're going to be cute about it, like. Because then he came back on his pod and, like, gave a real apology. Right. Right. So it's like, that's what I'm saying.

[Mandy B.]

Then apologies can be too late. So you're damn.

[Hip Hop Obama]

Like, yeah, but. But again, if you're a white person, that's your. If that's all the burden you got to bear is that niggas don't with you no more, then whoop dee doo. Like.

[Jason Lee]

I think his mistake, his misstep, rather, is that he went on Twitter space so quick, I think he should have gave some time to it, which he admitted to some counsel.

[Mandy B.]

His friend said, don't get on that shit.

[Jason Lee]

And I Know Twitter space, shout out to Twitter's people who do. I like the idea, but nothing.

[Jason Rodriguez]

It just became a firing.

[Hip Hop Obama]

They want to see what they could.

[Jason Lee]

Get from you to clip that up and go put it on YouTube. Put it on a page and say aha.

[Mandy B.]

Gotcha.

[Matt Rogers]

Gotcha.

[Mandy B.]

I hate it. I hate it. Anyways, let's get into. Before we wrap up our am I ignorant segment, we got a question.

[Jason Rodriguez]

Let's do it. And I swear I didn't write this one.

So let's get it here. It says, oops, I scroll down.

[Mandy B.]

Was it to tell my aunt her political post, make her look uneducated?

[Jason Rodriguez]

Oh, was it ignorant?

[Mandy B.]

Yeah.

[Jason Rodriguez]

Was it ignorant to tell my aunt her political post, make her look educated? So here it goes. My aunt posts a lot of political memes on Facebook. Stuff that's clearly not accurate, but she shares them with captions like wake up sheeple. Last week, one of her posts went viral in the family group CH Chat because it claimed the politician had died and they hadn't. I commented publicly, not privately, under her post and said, auntie, please flat check before spreading stuff like this. It makes you look uneducated. She deleted the post, then called me hollering, saying I embarrassed her in front of her church and co workers who follow her. My cousins say that I'm elitist because my aunt didn't finish high school and quote, doesn't know better. Now the family says I'm the one dividing people. So here's the question. Was I ignorant for calling it out publicly or is everyone else ignorant for ignoring the real issue?

[Mandy B.]

Okay, here's the thing. Not sure how old your auntie is. Let them be great over there on the Facebook.

Let them, bro, they believe everything they say.

[Hip Hop Obama]

Everything.

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You gotta.

[Mandy B.]

You gotta let these old people enjoy believing. Like this shit. It is dangerous, but cool. I ain't gonna hold you. I saw this one SORA video, like, and I didn't realize it was AI till I went into the comments. And mind you, I'm heavily on the Internet. I'm getting got by AI. Okay? So to me, mind you, we kill off people on the Internet and all, all the time. And so for me, I don't. I think that actually you weren't ignorant for calling it out publicly, but you're just not fun. Like, let the old people enjoy their memes, their AI, their fake name. Like, people right now are having a blast with seeing these things that they think are real. They can't believe it.

[Jason Lee]

Wake up, sheeple.

[Mandy B.]

Wake up sheeple. But also, it's happening to us too. Like, boy, does NBA Sentel get me a lot.

[Hip Hop Obama]

Oh, yes.

[Bowen Yang]

You know what I mean?

[Jason Rodriguez]

They got some good ones, baby.

[Mandy B.]

They be having some goods. But now they acting like the Simpsons almost, baby. They like predicting what's happening with. Yeah, with. With the happening to me. If it's memes, and specifically this one, it was a politician who died and they hadn't. We are in a, a space where a lot of us are uninformed online and we hit that retweet button real quick. If we all had to research everything before we liked or commented or retweeted, it would take an element.

[Jason Rodriguez]

It'd be a part time job.

[Mandy B.]

It would. And so I don't think it's ignorant for your aunt to just share it. And I do think that you're ignorant into where we're at on the Internet right now with Sora, with Chat GPT, with AI. Thank Grok. I don't think Grok is over there on, on Instagram, on Facebook.

[Hip Hop Obama]

On Facebook.

[Mandy B.]

Okay, we know that Grok.

[Hip Hop Obama]

I'm surprised you know.

[Mandy B.]

So y' all don't know Grok. Grock is my side. So Chat GBT is my husband. Grok is my side. Grok is the AI feature that automatically will let you know if something is uninformed, not right. We'll give you a real link and then if you are unaware of what is happening from a tweet, you can literally at Grock, Hey, Grock, explain to me what's going on. And Grok will give you a breakdown.

[Hip Hop Obama]

Of what's happening in the backstory the whole time.

[Mandy B.]

I don't know if most of the time and he be wrong sometimes, but I just don't know if Facebook has that feature. I don't know if people of a certain age know that that feature exists. Oh my God. And so to me, where we're at, let the old folks have they fun with, with, with the AI stuff. You, you look like you.

[Jason Rodriguez]

It's a good way to look at it.

[Mandy B.]

You look like.

[Hip Hop Obama]

You know what I mean? You better than me. Listen, auntie, I hate to break it to you, you were, you were embarrassed before the person said that before you.

[Mandy B.]

No, no, this isn't the auntie writing.

[Hip Hop Obama]

No, I'm talking about the auntie is the one that's embarrassed.

[Mandy B.]

She was embarrassed.

[Hip Hop Obama]

What I'm saying is she ain't go.

[Mandy B.]

To high school school.

[Hip Hop Obama]

You. Well, what I'm saying is, I'm saying that to say is that you said this in a public forum amongst Other people trust and believe. You ain't the only per. Your. Your niece ain't the only person that thought you was ignorant and uninformed. When you posted that in that group, somebody else that saw the dumb looked at it and said, this is some dumb. Why she always posting this dumb you? We all have a group chat that we know somebody is posting something. It's like, you know you're going to post the dumb. So somebody in that group was already looking at you crazy.

[Mandy B.]

But we also got to look at we as human beings, how we project. So the. The comment that went on there was, auntie, please fact check before spreading stuff like this. It makes you look uneducated. The fact that the other cousin was like you. You know she didn't finish high school. You must think you're better than her. The aunt responding the way she did probably is because she feels a bit uneducated as someone who didn't complete high school. Therefore, that word uneducated is what pissed her off.

[Jason Rodriguez]

It was a trigger there.

[Mandy B.]

It was a trigger to her because she possibly actually feels like she's uneducated as someone who didn't.

[Hip Hop Obama]

Well, then post memes about sheep or about goats or about some shit that don't have no consequence. If you dumb, you don't know shit. Amanda Seals just got finished telling us last episode. Have somebody around you that's smarter than you, who knows something, who can put you in the right direction. Direction. If you want to talk about frivolous.

[Jason Rodriguez]

Damn, Grandma needs somebody around her too. Grandma needs granny, Auntie needs an entourage, an advisor.

[Hip Hop Obama]

If you want to talk about some frivolous that don't matter. You want to argue about basketball or.

[Mandy B.]

Sneakers or Kendrick, don't act like basketball don't matter. We trying to get a prospect deal.

[Hip Hop Obama]

It matters. All the ballers matter. But I'm saying like, if you want to argue on the Internet about some old like whatever, that doesn't mean nothing about nothing. Go ahead and you can be quote unquote, uneducated or ignorant and that shit really don't matter.

[Mandy B.]

To be fair, it was allegedly a politician that had died. I will say nothing is stupid about questioning anything regarding politics.

[Hip Hop Obama]

No question everything.

[Mandy B.]

Question everything.

[Hip Hop Obama]

Question all of it. But I think there's a difference between a question and just spreading something that you think spreading false something. Something false loss just because you saw it and you jumped on it and you thought that this was the thing, like we all gotten got by or various things. So I don't think it's a matter of like, don't get got. We're all gonna get got at some point.

[Mandy B.]

And y' all be quick to let me know when I got got. Like, damn. Maybe tweet me like, girl, that ain't even real, girl. Do your research.

[Hip Hop Obama]

I saw a video yesterday of what was supposed to be behind the scenes of a. Of a National Geographic animal documentary. And it was literally a tiger and a deer standing there in front of the camera while director and production people behind it. And the director says, action. And the tiger runs and grabs the deer and they run off screen. And the tiger puts the deer down. It comes back and they reset and they do the shot again. This time do this. And he's giving the tiger direction.

[Mandy B.]

And you thought it was real?

[Hip Hop Obama]

No. Hell no. But it looks real as fuck. Yeah, the tiger's just sitting there waiting for the deer, and he picks the deer up with his mouth and runs. Runs off screen. And it looks real as hell. I know it's fake, but I'm sure somebody got got who was like.

These documentaries are fake. These are even real animals.

[Mandy B.]

I mean, I talked about this in terms of Hurricane Melissa when it went through Jamaica, bro. I saw more AI videos of sharks in the pool than anything else. I was like, damn, where the real videos at? It was a lot of AI. Yeah, I don't think. I think. I think your ignorance wasn't about calling her out publicly, but it was you ignorant.

[Big Long]

Let.

[Mandy B.]

Let the old people be old.

[Jason Rodriguez]

Let them have their fun.

[Mandy B.]

Let them have their fun. Anyways, guys, next week you are in for a treat. We are doing our year end wrap up.

Period.

[Hip Hop Obama]

Round and round we go.

[Mandy B.]

Let me say, scrub the ground. The ground. Y. Y' all get to hear from a few of. From myself and a few of my friends that I'm bringing along. Really excited to. Those are surprises. But make sure you check that out next week again if you haven't yet. Make sure you get my book. No holds bar to do a manifesto of sexual exploration and power available wherever you get books and, you know, follow me everywhere. I'm really excited too, about what. What we got coming for y'.

[Hip Hop Obama]

All.

[Mandy B.]

With selective ignorance at the top of Q1 Jah, let the people know where they can follow you, where they could, you know, follow.

[Hip Hop Obama]

You can find me on the interwebs at. On Twitter, on Hip Hop Obama, on Instagram, Mr. Hip Hop Obama, mama. And I'm getting ready to get my sub stack popping. I'm gonna do some more writing for myself.

[Jason Rodriguez]

Oh, come on.

[Mandy B.]

Bring back newsletters. Bring it back. Bring it back. Anyways, guys, thank y'.

[Jason Rodriguez]

All.

[Mandy B.]

This has been another episode of Selective Ignorance where curiosity lives, controversy thrives, and conversations matter. See y' all pusser holes next week.

Bye.

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[Jason Rodriguez]

Thanks for tuning in to Selective Ignorance of Mandy B. Selective Ignorance is executive produced by Mandy B. And it's a full Court Media Studio production with lead producers Jason Rodriguez, that's me, and Aaron H. King Howard. Now do us a favor and rate, subscribe, comment and share wherever you get your favorite podcast. And be sure to follow Selective Ignorance on Instagram at Selective Underscore Ignorant. And of course, if you're not following our host, Mandy B. Make sure you're following her at Full Court Pumps. Now, if you want the full video experience of Selective Ignorance, make sure you subscribe to the Patreon. It's patreon.com selective endurance it's your girl, Mandy B.

[Mandy B.]

And you just checked out my new podcast, Selective Ignorance. If you enjoyed this episode, make sure you head on over and hit that subscribe button. And check out Selective Ignorance every Tuesday and every Friday wherever you listen to your favorite podcasts.

[Hip Hop Obama]

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[Mandy B.]

All.

[Hip Hop Obama]

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[Big Long]

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[Hip Hop Obama]

Just like the band at halftime. Passionate fans, school colors everywhere and an ice cold Coca Cola. That's a winning combo.

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[Jason Lee]

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[Mandy B.]

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[Hip Hop Obama]

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[Mandy B.]

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