Selective Ignorance: Ep. 51 | Bad Bunny, Ballers and Bum Bail

Summary

Podcast Summary: "Selective Ignorance: Ep. 51 | Bad Bunny, Ballers and Bum Bail"

Podcast: Decisions, Decisions – Selective Ignorance Subseries
Hosts: Mandy B and WeezyWTF, with Jason Jolly and Aaron A. King
Date: February 17, 2026
Network: The Black Effect Podcast Network & iHeartPodcasts

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Main Theme & Purpose

This episode serves as a comedic yet incisive roundtable unpacking recent pop culture moments, politics, and sports, all through a lens of candid takes and non-traditional social critique. The conversation bounces between the Super Bowl halftime controversy (centered on Bad Bunny), immigrant and ICE policy debates, the current state of NBA All-Star Weekend, celebrity podcasting trajectories, and the intersection of entertainment and socio-political discourse. The hosts bring personal stories, sharp observations, and signature humor to provoke listeners to think beyond mainstream and patriarchal narratives.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Setting the Tone: Selective Ignorance & Ignorant Takes

• Ignorant Take Segment: The hosts acknowledge their love for hot takes and encourage listeners to form independent opinions. Mandy opens up about adult re-evaluations of childhood idols and R&B lyrics (00:54–13:55).
• Relatable Vulnerability: Mandy shares a story about attending a Backstreet Boys concert as an adult, deconstructing both nostalgia and problematic aspects of their music ("All I Have to Give" as a "bum anthem" — 09:09).
  • Quote (Mandy B, 12:43): "As an adult showing up to a woman's house with dirty feet and like a razor to your wrist, talking about, can I please have some pussy? ...That's not Riz."
  • Notes early on Mandy’s playful yet honest self-examination and group laughter around 'dirty macking' tropes in pop music.

2. This Is America: ICE, Politics, and Celebrity Clashes

• Cardi B vs. Homeland Security: The viral incident of Cardi B threatening to “jump” ICE agents at a concert (22:17–24:07) and the biting Twitter response from Homeland Security.
  • Quote (Homeland Security tweet, 23:19): "As long as she doesn't drug and rob our agents, we'll consider that an improvement over her past behavior."
  • Cardi’s quick clapback, invoking the Epstein scandal.
• Cultural Relevance of Social Media: The hosts critique the normalization of government agencies engaging in pop-cultural spats and speculate on culture advisors writing tweets, even joking that Nicki Minaj ghostwrote Homeland Security’s response (24:39–25:18).
  • Quote (Aaron A. King, 25:19): "We solved it. We don’t even need a tinfoil hat, my G."
• Broader Political Themes: Conversation turns to the personal impact of anti-immigrant rhetoric, especially when enacted by right-leaning politicians who later become victims of the same policies.

3. Vic Mensa, Don Lemon, and the Cultural-Political Podcast Crossover

• Vic Mensa’s Multi-Platform Presence: Discussion of Mensa’s activism, his Instagram/orange-peeling posts, and contemplation over whether starting a podcast means artistic failure for musicians (30:13–40:41).
  • Quote (Mandy B, 33:41): "...do I abandon music if I go this route? Are people going to think I’m a failure in music because I go this route?"
  • Debate about the perceived hierarchy between musical careers and podcasting, the idea of cultural pivots, and the unique space artists like Vic Mensa occupy—more than just musicians (39:51).
  • Quote (Jason Jolly, 40:07): "...if Vic decides to do this podcast and it really blows up, he might be the first artist to benefit musically from having a successful podcast."

4. Super Bowl Halftime Performance — Bad Bunny, Outrage, and Cultural Ownership

• Bad Bunny’s Performance Review (45:21–54:06):
  • Aaron (the “Puerto Rican rep”): Emotional resonance of Bad Bunny’s halftime performance, the artistic storytelling around Puerto Rican identity, inclusion of Ricky Martin, and symbols of resistance.
    • Quote (Aaron A. King, 47:35): "...the song...he’s like, they want to take my beach...my grandmother...they want to take it all, but I wave the flag and...we will never lose our essence."
  • Discussion around Lady Gaga’s cameo, interpreted as a subtle troll and commentary on white pop cultural hegemony (49:41).
  • Reflections on Bad Bunny’s personal evolution, subversive artistry, and the performance’s political courage (53:20).
  • Commentary on media defensiveness, FCC complaints about the show’s sexual content, and broader policing of diverse cultural expression (55:37–56:23).

5. NBA All-Star Weekend: Evolution or Decline?

• Overpriced Venues & Fan Experience: Mandy details the exclusionary pricing of All-Star tickets and concessions at the Intuit Dome (58:11–62:23), calling out the disconnect between the NBA and real fans.
  • Quote (Mandy B, 60:28): "The fish had air quotes. It was caviar—three scoops of caviar on potato chips—$40. That was their fish and chip."
• On-Court Content & Contest Structure:
  • Dunk Contest disappointment (66:03 onward): Mandy laments lackluster participants and missing physical scorecards, identifying nostalgia for classic elements.
  • Ignorant Take: Critique of the push for inclusivity in NBA dance teams — expressing yearning for the "bad bitches" aesthetic and pushback against “inclusive” casting (69:05–72:41).
• All-Star Game Format Critique: The confusion and dissatisfaction with splitting teams into "USA vs. World" in a politically charged climate. (75:51–79:59)
  • Quote (Mandy B, 79:59): "[I]t really felt tone deaf to set it up that way."
  • Playful but pointed ideas about "Black vs. White" as a provocative All-Star solution (80:19–81:47).

6. Celebrity & Athlete Politics: When Being Neutral Isn’t an Option

• LeBron James & Israel: Deep dive into LeBron’s presser comment responding to an Israeli reporter; the hosts analyze his words, where he should have stopped, and the impossible position celebrities are in re: political discourse (87:02–89:14).
  • Quote (Mandy B, 88:35): "There's no way you aren't aware that they have been killing women and children... why, like, that’s not what you say..."
  • Debate about whether celebrities owe fans their political authenticity or simply can’t win.
• Michael Jordan Viral Video: The group reacts to a viral video of Jordan “plucking" a boy’s backside, questioning whether media will address it with the same rigor as other scandals and exploring double standards.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments (with Timestamps)

• On Backstreet Boys Lyrics:

  • Mandy B (12:43): "As an adult showing up to a woman's house with dirty feet and like a razor to your wrist, talking about, can I please have some pussy? ...That's not Riz."

• On Cardi B vs. Homeland Security:

  • Jason Jolly (23:01): "Homeland Security...took to their X account and said as long as she doesn't drug and rob our agents, we'll consider that an improvement over her past behavior."
  • Mandy B (24:07): “If we talk about drugs, let’s talk about Epstein and friends drugging underage girls to rape them.”

• On Vic Mensa’s Career Pivot Anxiety:

  • Mandy B (33:41): "...do I abandon music if I go this route? Are people going to think I’m a failure in music because I go this route?"

• On the Commercialization of All-Star Weekend:

  • Mandy B (60:28): "The fish had air quotes. It was caviar—three scoops of caviar on potato chips—$40. That was their fish and chip."

• On Inclusion and NBA Dancers:

  • Mandy B (69:37): “I don’t want to see SpongeBob SquarePants dance in the middle of the goddamn [court].”

• On LeBron James’ Political Tightrope:

  • Mandy B (88:35): “There’s no way you aren’t aware that they have been killing women and children and an entire…they've almost wiped Palestine off the goddamn…like why, like, that’s not what you say."

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• 00:54–13:55: Adult Reappraisals of Pop Culture – Backstreet Boys & “Dirty Mackin’” Songs
• 22:17–25:18: Cardi B vs. Homeland Security & Culture War Discourse
• 30:13–40:41: Vic Mensa, Celebrity Podcasts, and Artist Career Pivots
• 45:21–54:06: Bad Bunny Super Bowl Halftime Show — Analysis, Symbolism, and Backlash
• 58:11–62:23: Pricing Out NBA Fans at All-Star Weekend/Intuit Dome Rant
• 66:03–74:58: Dunk Contest Critique, Nostalgia for Past All-Star Elements
• 75:51–81:47: U.S. vs. World Format, Political Overtones, “Black vs. White” Satire
• 87:02–89:14: LeBron’s Israel Comment, Celebrity Political Binds
• 93:12–98:55: Michael Jordan Viral Video and Hypocrisy in Celebrity Outrage

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Flow, Tone, and Listener Value

The episode flows with the unruly, witty, and ever-curious spirit of the hosts. The humor is sharp but rooted in real critique of societal hypocrisy, nostalgia, and cultural double standards. It’s particularly useful for listeners interested in current cross-sections of pop culture, sports, hip-hop, and politics, with frank discussion and parodic, satirical riffs.

Throughout, the original tone—irreverent, candid, comedic—remains intact, providing both laughs and surprisingly thoughtful perspectives on what modern connection, entertainment, and accountability look like.

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Listen If You Want:

• Unfiltered social criticism of pop culture headlines
• Honest (and “ignorant”) takes not heard on mainstream platforms
• Insight into the evolving relationship between politics, sports, race, and celebrity
• Behind-the-scenes industry tidbits from hosts with direct connections
• Laugh-out-loud moments mixed with genuine reflection

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Hosts:

• Mandy B: Provocative, playful stories, and bold opinions.
• WeezyWTF: Deadpan, incisive, and always ready with the next controversial question.
• Jason Jolly: The king of "headline pod-blessings," intellectual and sharp.
• Aaron A. King: Cultural bridge and “Puerto Rican rep,” grounding deep topics in lived experience.

[Selective Ignorance: Where curiosity lives, controversy thrives, and conversations matter.]

Transcript

[Mandy B]

This is an I heart podcast, Guaranteed human. Hey, guys, welcome to another episode of Selective Ignorance. However, before we get to this week's episode, I want to remind you guys to purchase my book, no Holds Barred, a dual manifesto of sexual exploration and power. So feel free to go to your local bookstores, preferably queer owned, black owned or woman owned, to support them, but also just click the button on Amazon, Barnes and Nobles, or wherever you read your books. Again, that is note holds Barred, a dual manifesto of sexual exploration and power written by yours truly and my co host of the Decisions Decisions podcast, Weezy. Make sure y' all get that. Now let's get to this week's episode. This is Mandy B. Welcome to Selective Ignorance, a production of the Black Effect podcast network and iHeartRadio. Hey, guys, welcome to another episode of Selective Ignorance with your girl, Mandy V. If you are new here, because you possibly caught the viral clip of me and my co host Ja letting you guys know that there is a right and wrong way to do white women. Welcome.

[Weezy]

Yeah, babe.

[Mandy B]

We share just a lot of our ignorant takes here that you may or may not agree with, but that's what we bring you here for. To actually hopefully get your mind working to get your own opinion. And this week we are getting into all of the mess. We have, of course, some ignorant thoughts over the last week, but in this is America, we're talking Cardi B versus Homeland Security. If ICE come in here, we gonna jump they asses. Oh, yeah, we're getting into it. And then, of course, Don Lemon and Vic Mesa recently sat down to talk about ICE out. Where do we think ICE will head next? We're getting into that. And then this is not a sports podcast. But, baby, finally we are talking our thoughts on Babon and the super bowl and how America was really upset, but also how they put on a trash ass super bowl halftime performance for themselves. The whites were upset that they couldn't do anything good. Okay, it was given unseasoned over there. But then we're also getting into All Star Weekend. Is it over? Does the NBA need help? He needs some milk. Was David Cern actually a better commissioner?

[Weezy]

Not really.

[Mandy B]

Jesus. We're getting into all the things, including burner accounts. And y' all know what that means. Yes. Kevin Durant, we're coming for you. And then the celebrities say the darndest things yet again. New York niggas are embarrassing. We have Tony Ayo, Uncle Murder versus Ja Rule. And so somehow losing flight benefits not scaring them half to death because they said this Beef lasts forever.

[Jason Jolly]

Sucker ass job. Ruin the plane.

[Mandy B]

We're getting into it, y'. All. And I am also joined by none other than my super producer. We have Journalism Jason in Jersey.

[Aaron A. King]

Gang, gang, gang, period.

[Mandy B]

Gang, gang. And I be yelling at gang, gang. It's still my morning answer.

[Aaron A. King]

That's the top show answer.

[Jason Jolly]

I don't blame you.

[Mandy B]

It's still my morning answer. Can I say that is probably one of the best things that you brought to my life. Y' all don't know, but literally. No, no, no, no. Ja introduced me to Chef boy. Okay.

[Weezy]

No, but here's the thing we mentioned. We brought up that song to you before, and you like, that is true.

[Jason Jolly]

That is true.

[Aaron A. King]

Too much gangster shit.

[Mandy B]

You know that is true.

[Weezy]

And then I think. I think what happened with Mandy, though, she needs to see it. She's a visual learner, saying, I liked.

[Mandy B]

All the ass shaking and the right bandanas.

[Aaron A. King]

I mean.

[Weezy]

Yeah.

[Mandy B]

And then, y', all, we have the king of headline, Jason Jolly.

[Jason Jolly]

Pod blessing all the Y.

[Mandy B]

What's going on? Can I just tell you, too? Maybe I'm in New York too long. I was talking to my homegirl this morning, and literally, we're on a phone call, right, Right before I came in the pod, and, oh, I was talking about one of my niggas. He can't decide how he feel. He's in his feels, right? And so I was like, I just need him to decide. Is it Uchi Wally or is it one mic? She said, did you just say Uchi Wally or one mic? I know those are not. Like, I said, girl, that's like the New York adult version of 67 7. Like, which one is it? You know what I mean? And she was like, I've never heard you say that. I said, well, I'm in pod mode right now, girl. And it's like, which one is it? You need to pick one. And she's like, I'm not gonna lie. It's Uchiwali for me. Okay. See what I mean?

[Jason Jolly]

Wow.

[Aaron A. King]

Wow.

[Jason Jolly]

Said no one ever.

[Mandy B]

I like one mic way better.

[Jason Jolly]

Everybody should like one mic better.

[Aaron A. King]

UTI Wally aged well, though I think.

[Mandy B]

It is well.

[Aaron A. King]

Taken out of context of, like, who Nas was at the time. And you just listen to it now. You're like, it was.

[Mandy B]

It knocks.

[Jason Jolly]

I've never liked cool Nas. I don't like when Nas tries to be cool. You try to be fly and playboy and all that, though. No, he might be that, but you.

[Aaron A. King]

Don'T like him when he kiss at Holly Be Barbara Streisand. Concert.

[Weezy]

Yeah, yeah.

[Jason Jolly]

Like, like. But at least that is like. Okay, cool. But don't try to be like you the fly in the club.

[Weezy]

Like, I don't think Wiley was more so for Bravehearts. I think the real song that should be in question was you owe me. I think that might be the.

[Jason Jolly]

Okay, no, okay, that's fair. He was more egregious in terms of.

[Weezy]

Where he was at and with the expectation of what he should be on.

[Mandy B]

Those are two completely different songs.

[Weezy]

And that was always been arguing the people with anti Nas, they couldn't fathom that he would do a club record and then he'd do the conscious shit. So that's why they say, is it? You know what I mean?

[Mandy B]

And maybe this is me being my little 90s baby. 106 in park. All I need is one mic and he just looks so. That's. I actually only liked Nas from that record on. I know. Don't know. I support a girl. Right, right, right.

[Weezy]

That's good, that's good. So if I rule the world, the world is yours.

[Mandy B]

None of that, you know, it was. It was.

[Weezy]

It was cool. You knew he existed.

[Mandy B]

It was. Oh, I always knew Nas existed.

[Weezy]

I mean, it wasn't part of your playlist. You're like, okay, I'm gonna go listen.

[Mandy B]

No, but that one mic.

[Weezy]

That one mic, you know, like, I know. I can't.

[Mandy B]

I actually hated that song, which is why. Okay, let me be very clear with you. As much as I love Cole and y' all will hear our fall off take, that's why that song that I think he did end up winning a Grammy with Dirk, it sounded like this.

[Jason Jolly]

It was. It was. It was very, you know, it was.

[Weezy]

Part of the trance.

[Mandy B]

You know, I'm very much them kids. I don't want to hear kids yelling on it. I know, bro. Take that to kids box. I don't want to hear that with my. With my OGs, bro.

[Weezy]

No, listen, some of the OGs need to listen to that song today.

[Mandy B]

Oh, man.

[Weezy]

The way we at in society. I mean, you know, some inspiration.

[Mandy B]

Well, let's get into with some ignorant takes that we have. I guess mine is Mine is going to be brief for those of y' all who don't know. I am literally just landed today from a long stint on the west coast starting in Vegas. So I went to Las Vegas, I went to the Sphere to catch the Backstreet Boys.

[Jason Jolly]

I got to go to the Sphere. I'm very jealous. I got to see this thing.

[Mandy B]

I'M not going to lie. I mean, we gotta wait on some checks to happen for the pot. But I would love us to do a group trip to go to the Sphere to see the wizard of Oz. I heard they, like drop apples and shit from like. It's really like.

[Jason Jolly]

That would be dope.

[Mandy B]

The wizard of Oz there Backstreet Boys have left, but they are hinting at the Spice Girls. Would y' all want to come see. Oh, no. Y' all don't want to see Spice Girls? No. Okay.

[Jason Jolly]

I would go for the experience, but I really.

[Weezy]

All the girls.

[Mandy B]

I think it's all the girls.

[Jason Jolly]

Right?

[Mandy B]

Oh, Ginger. Yeah.

[Weezy]

No, Ginger.

[Jason Jolly]

No.

[Mandy B]

Scary Posh.

[Jason Jolly]

Didn't one of them. I thought one of them went like.

[Mandy B]

No, I love all the girls.

[Jason Jolly]

I thought one of them was like a year old maga now or something.

[Mandy B]

Like that one is literally with David Beckham.

[Jason Jolly]

That's Posh.

[Mandy B]

Yeah. I'm not gonna lie. She might be too rich to want to even get off.

[Jason Jolly]

She might be, you know.

[Mandy B]

But no, I went to the Sphere, got to see Backstreet Boys live. It was great. If you get to see them, I think that they're leaving and doing like global shows for the rest of the year.

[Vic Mensa]

Okay.

[Mandy B]

It was a good time. I dressed up in my all white, My little child self. Had a great time. I want to tell you, that's your.

[Aaron A. King]

Get ready with me. You did, right?

[Mandy B]

Oh, I did a whole get ready. Yeah. You know, shut off these curves.

[Aaron A. King]

The Backstreet Boys get ready.

[Mandy B]

Right? Okay. Yeah. But let me tell you too.

[Jason Jolly]

I didn't know what the Discord was talking about when there was like, somebody in Discord was like, I thought we was about to see something. Coochie lips and something. And I was like, what the fuck are they talking about? But I was like, I don't have time to respond to this. I'll find out later.

[Mandy B]

I love y' all over on Patreon because if you're in the Discord, that means you're on the patreon. Join now patreon.com Discord is a wild place, but the way y' all thought I was giving coochie lips for $5 a month is crazy.

[Jason Jolly]

Put your lips on live, I'll give you $1,000.

[Mandy B]

No, but I got to see the Backstreet Boys through an adult lens. And so I want to share my thoughts as an adult of the Backstreet Boys. First off, as children, we are really misguided on what good looking, attractive men are. Okay, so first off, Nick Carter and Brian being who we thought were like, the hottest back then, E. Yuck. Like, I didn't realize that.

[Jason Jolly]

Didn't age well, huh?

[Mandy B]

Brian should have probably when the Backstreet Boy stopped, should have just went on. What is it? Twilight. What's the one when it's the vampires versus the werewolves.

[Jason Jolly]

Yeah, Twilight.

[Mandy B]

Oh, my God. He's. He's eating the werewolf aesthetic. Okay, Eating. Then you have Nick Carter that we know has not only sexual assault allegations.

[Jason Jolly]

He does got a weird case around, boy.

[Mandy B]

He aged like. Like cottage cheese.

[Jason Jolly]

Amen.

[Mandy B]

Okay. Howie is still Howie. You don't even notice him.

[Aaron A. King]

He's just happy to be there.

[Mandy B]

He's just happy to be there. He's literally happy to be there. But here's the things that I realized the most.

[Weezy]

They look crazy.

[Mandy B]

AJ is the vocal God of the group.

[Jason Jolly]

Oh, yeah, he's that one.

[Mandy B]

Growing up, you thought it was Nick and Brian because of how they position, how they had.

[Aaron A. King]

Yeah, no, no, no, no.

[Mandy B]

AJ has vocals down.

[Aaron A. King]

Yeah.

[Mandy B]

He is the lead fucking person. He's like. He's like, just also just cool. It's like you almost didn't fit in a boy band. Like, you're too cool.

[Jason Jolly]

You're too cool for this kind of.

[Mandy B]

And then let me tell you what I have to tell you. I have a new white. I know he's married.

[Jason Jolly]

New white alert. New white alert.

[Mandy B]

Kevin will get taken down. Kevin was never like anyone that any of the girls liked growing up.

[Aaron A. King]

He was the old one. He was the old one when he was young.

[Mandy B]

It's because he was given too mature as a 10 year old.

[Jason Jolly]

You like, who's an old nigga?

[Mandy B]

Kevin.

[Aaron A. King]

Kevin's dad.

[Mandy B]

You know what I mean? Right now with the man bun. And he's about 6, 4. I'm like, why the fuck was we looking at the n? That was 5:2. Like, Kevin is him. And I was like, damn. I also wanna share as an adult, I'm singing down, loving all the songs. I wanna tell y' all one of the worstly aged songs as an adult. It's the most hater shit ever.

[Weezy]

Mm.

[Mandy B]

Now the song is called if you are a backstreet fan. All I have to give y' all, in the middle of singing the lyrics, I said, oh, my God. I said, this is a bum anthem. Yeah. I don't ever want a nigga to sing this to me at all.

[Jason Jolly]

Wait, what was the line that made you turn the corner first off?

[Mandy B]

It starts with, I don't know what he does to make you cry. So first off, you're dirty macking.

[Jason Jolly]

You're dirty mackin a little bit already, but that's foundational R B. Dirty Mac.

[Mandy B]

But here we go. But I'll be there to make you smile. Here he go. Here too. I don't have a fancy car to even get to you, I'd walk a thousand miles. Nigga, you. So your car's broke down now, so you gonna walk to me, which means you probably can't afford a flight also. So now you're dirty macking from Long.

[Aaron A. King]

Beach on a budget. Dirty macking on a budget.

[Mandy B]

How are you dirty macking on a budget? Then it says, I don't care if he buys you nice things. Does his gifts come from the heart? Nigga, do you want to draw me a goddamn card? I don't know. But if you were my girl, I'd make it so we'd never be apart. But then here we go. My love is all I have to give. Without you, I don't think I could live. Not only are you dirty macking, you're broke. You want to just say it under me. You're also now making it seem like you about to kill yourself if I don't give you a chance. This is just giving. I literally was like, I don't want that type of love to ever find me. So literally, while I'm singing, I'm recording it. I said, oh, my God, this is a song for the bums. I could not. I literally was like, this is my least favorite song now. And I actually like this song, mind you. It's when they dance with. It's a really cute song, right? Not anymore.

[Jason Jolly]

As an adult showing up to a woman's house with dirty feet and like a razor to your wrist, talking about, can I please have some pussy? Is a crazy way to go about getting your shit off, player. That's not Riz.

[Mandy B]

Like, well, I got a nigga with a car. Buy me.

[Jason Jolly]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Mandy B]

Like, it was just complete dirty macking, and he had nothing to offer but his love. Then he, like, literally starts to like. Does he listen when you talk? Baby, tell me your problems, then Here we go. I'll try my best to kiss them all the way. You gonna kiss these bills away? So now you just offering, but you.

[Aaron A. King]

Don'T have bills when you're a teen, though. That's why it hit.

[Mandy B]

I'm not gonna lie. Offering to kiss my problems away is like.

[Aaron A. King]

You offer, but your problems. Your problems are homework and your best friends. You know what I mean?

[Jason Jolly]

You know what Though I'm gonna shoot him a little bit of bail.

[Mandy B]

Here we go. Maybe not the bum bail.

[Jason Jolly]

Maybe I'm gonna shoot him some bum bale. I'm gonna shoot him some bum bail. Maybe the nigga's just a masochist and he's just like, yo, I just need to suffer. Like, I will fuck myself up for you, girl. Like, you could chain me, whip me for me up however you want to have your way with me. I just want you to be in my life.

[Mandy B]

What? What the nigga ha. Say gourd. Gourd. Come get this man. Gourd. No, no, that sounds terrible. Anyways, 10 out of 10. It was like, they did great. I do also want to say that they were petitioning themselves for super bowl as a Super bowl performer. And apparently they're petitioning it Backstreet Boys and Britney Spears. So that is the petition that they're trying to do. I'm not going to lie.

[Jason Jolly]

I'm not mad at it.

[Mandy B]

As a biracial, I wouldn't mad. I wouldn't be mad for the Mayo super bowl next year. Not even.

[Aaron A. King]

I think that's a really good super bowl pre show.

[Mandy B]

Oh, damn.

[Aaron A. King]

I don't.

[Weezy]

I don't.

[Aaron A. King]

I don't.

[Mandy B]

I don't.

[Aaron A. King]

I don't think they got it.

[Mandy B]

I don't think they got it.

[Jason Jolly]

Britney, you gotta. You go to la Russell, Britney Spears.

[Aaron A. King]

And the Backstreet Boys this Britney now. You know what I'm saying? Like, that. That.

[Weezy]

You can't.

[Aaron A. King]

You can't put this Britney now or that Kevin that. Maybe that Kevin, but that. That Brian now out on the Main Stage and HD, no.

[Mandy B]

4K, you feel like he's right.

[Jason Jolly]

What's the.

[Mandy B]

Bro, she's clean. She. And mind you, she's doing the same dances. She just needs to stop wearing the runny mascara and don't give her no sharp objects.

[Jason Jolly]

And like. Like, we could be all right.

[Mandy B]

I. I would actually so be here for that.

[Jason Jolly]

But here's the thing about. Here's why I'm not mad at it, though, because I think, like, this. This Bad Bunny performance, and we're going to talk about that down the line, but I feel like this was kind of like. It felt like the last vestiges of culture at the Super Bowl. Everyone feels it in the air. Like, okay, we might not get no more of this. Like, we've had our good little run. Maybe it's a rap game.

[Mandy B]

It's gonna be Taylor next year.

[Jason Jolly]

No, but here's the thing about it. We all expect A white act to come up, but a white act. A white act could be somebody that niggas don't care about at all. Or a white act could be something like this that black people and other people actually with people. Black people with the Backstreet Boys, black people with Britney, so it wouldn't be that.

[Aaron A. King]

For the record, too, Brittany has already done it. She did it with NSync.

[Jason Jolly]

That's true. Oh, yeah.

[Aaron A. King]

By the way, Aerosmith.

[Mandy B]

And by the way, I thought black people fucked with Backstreet Boys, too. Oh, baby. There was three of us in the whole sphere.

[Aaron A. King]

Oh, man, there was. Y' all give each other head.

[Mandy B]

No, Wednesday. Maybe people didn't want to take the pto. The tickets were also very expensive. But I don't know, it was.

[Aaron A. King]

Were the blacks divided between NSYNC and Backstreet Boys?

[Mandy B]

They were. And I think more of the blacks went to NSync. I ain't even gonna hold you. Yeah, look at you, knowing Mr. Hip Hop.

[Weezy]

98 degrees.

[Aaron A. King]

I think on the low, too. Black people like 98 degrees.

[Mandy B]

Hold on, look.

[Aaron A. King]

Because they stole a lot of boys to men flow. 98.

[Jason Jolly]

Yeah, that's fair.

[Weezy]

Now, in the pecking order, of course.

[Mandy B]

I'm not gonna lie.

[Jason Jolly]

The pecking order.

[Weezy]

But, I mean, we need a poll.

[Aaron A. King]

Need a poll. We need a poll. On the ig.

[Weezy]

They were the big three.

[Jason Jolly]

They was the big three. Yeah. Wait.

[Mandy B]

I was today years old when I knew that Jason or a king knew what a 98 degrees was.

[Jason Jolly]

I can't believe.

[Weezy]

Yo, I have. Yo, I used to breathe shit, sleep, videos. T ar BT all of this shit. Even independent, the shit that you can't see on that, you gotta like, who.

[Mandy B]

Is the lead singer in 98 degrees?

[Weezy]

All right, now, Nick Lachey.

[Aaron A. King]

Nick Lachey. Respect on my. My name Nick Lachey.

[Weezy]

All right, that's true.

[Jason Jolly]

That's a fact.

[Aaron A. King]

But I used to work at mtv, and so, like, we. Spears. Britney Spears did a residency at the Garden. And, like, hold on. Each writer had to go a different night to write about it.

[Weezy]

He didn't just work for mtv. He was MTV News.

[Jason Jolly]

MTV News.

[Weezy]

Yeah. So let's do that. Yeah.

[Mandy B]

Yeah, y', all. I forgot that I actually am am, you know, journalism.

[Weezy]

J, you got a pizza prize, Nobel Peace, A. All types.

[Jason Jolly]

Wait, I want to go back to what you just said.

[Weezy]

What's up?

[Jason Jolly]

If 98 Degrees, Backstreet Boys, and NSync is the big three, who is Kendrick, who is Drake, and who is Cole?

[Aaron A. King]

Ooh, ooh, that's a good one.

[Mandy B]

Ooh. Oh, that's easy.

[Aaron A. King]

We had to make this a poll.

[Weezy]

This is a good one.

[Aaron A. King]

Go ahead.

[Jason Jolly]

Yeah, yeah.

[Weezy]

First of all.

[Mandy B]

Okay, 98 degrees is three, which means. Yeah, say it.

[Aaron A. King]

Say it.

[Mandy B]

You see that?

[Weezy]

You see that?

[Mandy B]

Hard.

[Weezy]

You have an out. You have an out. You don't have to.

[Mandy B]

Don't have to continue.

[Weezy]

You can just leave it there and let. Let the discord.

[Aaron A. King]

You know what?

[Jason Jolly]

Let's turn this up and.

[Mandy B]

Hey, guys, in the discord, what was your ignorant take for the week?

[Aaron A. King]

All right.

[Weezy]

I love it.

[Mandy B]

I don't like that y' all just did that. I love it.

[Jason Jolly]

I love it.

[Mandy B]

I've already.

[Weezy]

Oh, I just want to add one more thing to quality content right there.

[Jason Jolly]

That's quality content.

[Weezy]

I don't think Sean Carter and the Roc Nation embassy is picking the Backstreet Boys or any one of those big three groups for next year.

[Jason Jolly]

Probably not.

[Weezy]

They gonna stay on code.

[Jason Jolly]

Yeah.

[Weezy]

Yeah, probably not.

[Jason Jolly]

You got who that is?

[Weezy]

Who knows?

[Jason Jolly]

Yeah.

[Aaron A. King]

Back to Bruno Mars or something like that.

[Jason Jolly]

Yeah. Or like some type of carpenter.

[Mandy B]

With the Zara. I like the little white girls. I like them.

[Aaron A. King]

Yeah, that's a good one.

[Weezy]

Now is. Music is reflecting music. Music is reflecting what we see in society. So what is gonna happen between the next six months? Right? From a societal standpoint that reflects musically, I think that's gonna dictate what happens in 2027.

[Mandy B]

Okay, I'm with that.

[Weezy]

We gonna see Suit bowl.

[Mandy B]

What's your little ignorant take, friend?

[Weezy]

Why the other halftime show?

[Mandy B]

Oh, you look like you came ready with a read.

[Jason Jolly]

Like, we're all affected by the patriarchy, right? We're all affected by.

[Aaron A. King]

Go check that episode out.

[Jason Jolly]

If you haven't heard that episode yet, go get on that. We're all affected by the patriarchy, but we all are old enough to know better. So, like, I don't call women out their name. I. You know, I try to be respectful of all the things that. How we're supposed to comport ourselves. Right? But when I see things. When I see things like racism, white. Like white people racism, especially from white women or white passing women, like, it makes my misogyny flare up a little bit. Just a little bit. It make you want to say something. And, like, I saw this story about this Colombian politician, Angela Vergara, and she's on the Internet, like, boohooing, crying because her son got snatched up by ice. She's a far right Republican, conservative, like, Trump supporter type of person in Colombia, and she's on the Internet boohooing. About her son got snatched up by ice, and he was brutalized and all these things. And it just. When I first saw it, my first reaction was like, shut up. All that goddamn crying, like, little asshole.

[Aaron A. King]

Like, stop.

[Weezy]

Like, two shorts.

[Jason Jolly]

Like, Yeah, I don't give a. About what you talking about right now. Like, you pretty much signed up for this with these type of. With supporting Trump and holding on to these type of policies. And, like. And you in Colombia, like, you're not even here, and you carry. I was just like, that should just make me want to say so.

[Mandy B]

She's. She's mad that they sent her son back to her.

[Jason Jolly]

I don't.

[Mandy B]

Yeah.

[Jason Jolly]

I don't know if he's even there yet. They might have him in a detention center or whatever the case is.

[Aaron A. King]

They might send them someplace else. Sometimes they don't even send.

[Jason Jolly]

Are you from Colombia? All right. You going to El Salvador?

[Weezy]

Yeah.

[Jason Jolly]

You're going to Peru?

[Weezy]

From Morehouse, the Mexican brother who graduated. Morehouse graduated the whole time, and they sent him right back to Mexico. Oh, wow. Yeah. And he had advocates, you know, but it only matters when it affects them directly.

[Jason Jolly]

Of course, That's. That's the only way.

[Mandy B]

This is an individualistic society. And to me. And if you guys listen, I did a bonus episode of the Psychology around someone who is queer, someone who is first generation or the. The. The offspring of immigrants or maybe also immigrant, like, their ideal ideology of still attaching themselves to this man at this point. I've already said it. I don't give a fuck if you out here with the Trump sign in your yard and now you mad that they come into your goddamn city, because apparently they're showing up now in Atlanta and they're showing up now in New York.

[Weezy]

And they've been in. They've been in New York already.

[Mandy B]

And they've been in New York already. So I guess that leads us to. This is America, y'. All. Cardi just not kicked off her Little Miss Drama tour literally last week. So she kicked it off in Palmdale Springs, I believe, in California. And literally, she had a joke where she said, hey, if ICE even think they gonna show up to this shit, we gonna jump them motherfuckers.

[Jason Jolly]

We knocking, we're knucking and ready to fight.

[Mandy B]

She already said it. We gotta. We got beef. We got beef forever.

[Weezy]

Forever.

[Mandy B]

And we all beefing with ICE Forever on site on.

[Jason Jolly]

Anyways, immediately.

[Mandy B]

Look, they about to start tweaking.

[Weezy]

They can't respond either.

[Aaron A. King]

I'm like, why?

[Weezy]

They can't respond yet.

[Mandy B]

Now, now of course, the clip went viral.

[Weezy]

Yep.

[Mandy B]

Which I'm not gonna hold you. We live. We live right now in a reality show. This is a reality show. Like, this literally cannot be real every day. So y' all. Homeland Security.

[Jason Jolly]

Homeland Security, Literally.

[Mandy B]

Well, the Twitter to Homeland Security, they decided to get involved with Ed or. And kind of respond. They decided to respond by saying. Which I'm not gonna lie, was funny. Oh, she also said she has some bear mace. It's like the mafia in this shit. So Homeland Security took to their Twitter account, their ex account, and said as long as she doesn't drug and rob our agents, we'll consider that an improvement over her past behavior. Now, Cardi is very political, always has been. And I love her. Her thing that she came back, she, quote, tweeted it and said, if we talk about drugs, let's talk about Epstein and friends drugging underage girls to rape them.

[Jason Jolly]

Yeah.

[Mandy B]

Why y' all don't want to talk about the Epstein box?

[Jason Jolly]

Keep the main thing. The main thing.

[Aaron A. King]

Yeah, period.

[Jason Jolly]

That way.

[Mandy B]

I'm not gonna lie. That way a part of me. We've seen the White House tweet certain things. We also see the parading that they've been doing with Nicki Minaj, like, you know, making the White House gag city. Like, yeah, we know that. First off, Trump is cheap. So we know he's not hiring the immigrants for low paying work. So what they have now are interns running these fucking social media.

[Weezy]

I want to know the culture advisor.

[Mandy B]

I was like, this is someone that knows culture.

[Jason Jolly]

We don't have it yet. I'm gonna make sure we get. I gotta get that 10 foil bucket hat.

[Mandy B]

No, we.

[Weezy]

Because.

[Jason Jolly]

My conspiracy theory is that Nikki told them to write that.

[Weezy]

Oh, now, now that we know.

[Aaron A. King]

Keep going.

[Jason Jolly]

Yeah, yeah. Y. I believe that Nicki Minaj told them, like, oh, she's talking like that. Oh, say this.

[Mandy B]

And you know what? To be fair, she got time. Because boy, does she go on rants for days when it comes to nothing but time.

[Weezy]

And I said, where's her response? Not realizing that she already responded.

[Jason Jolly]

That is her response.

[Weezy]

That's why she ghost wrote.

[Aaron A. King]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's a good one. Does she have the password, though?

[Weezy]

We solved it. We don't even need a tinfoil hat, my G. You know what I'm saying?

[Mandy B]

Not a king said it's fat.

[Aaron A. King]

Yeah, like that.

[Jason Jolly]

Like that way.

[Mandy B]

So.

[Weezy]

Wow, this is the time we in.

[Mandy B]

No, this is. This is the time.

[Aaron A. King]

That's crazy.

[Jason Jolly]

Well, shout out Cardi, though. Like, listen, man, but you see how.

[Weezy]

Close we are to politics, though.

[Jason Jolly]

Oh, yeah.

[Mandy B]

No. And I think that we've said that a couple weeks ago. This is the most politically social, like everything that is tied in. And we'll get into it when we talk about sports as well. Everything right now is political. And I'm like, jesus Christ. It's pick a side with everything. Which is also why I like pulling out the hypocrisy of things. But everything is actually now made political. There's almost no enjoyment of anything. We can't just be entertained anymore. It's. What side of the coin do you fall on? Let me decide if you're going to embarrass me as an idol or if you align with my views. That's all that everything is now. And it's becoming so draining. So draining.

[Weezy]

By the way, I can't wait till we get to the NBA college.

[Mandy B]

Oh, I can't wait to get to the NBA.

[Weezy]

If y' all don't know what's in my head right now.

[Mandy B]

Oh, we're getting into it.

[Weezy]

It's going to show you the quintessential reason why this podcast exists. I'm seeing it right now, and it's amazing.

[Mandy B]

By the way, if y'. All. If y' all thought I wasn't very ignorant at the top of this episode, I have a very ignorant take coming up.

[Jason Jolly]

But, but, but wait, it gets worse.

[Mandy B]

Oh, no. I'm not gonna lie.

[Aaron A. King]

We need. Y' all need to have that as a drop.

[Mandy B]

Jason, if you could pull up the clip. I did want to get into this just a little bit while we're talking ice. While we're talking politics. I love. I love that you also brought this orange because it's giving you about to try to compete with Vic Mensa with his orange peeling abilities.

[Jason Jolly]

You know what I'm saying? Shout out to Vic Mensa's oranges.

[Mandy B]

But after pleading not guilty, Don Lemon recently sat down in a conversation with Vic Mensa, and this is what they had to say. Go ahead and play that clip.

[Jason Jolly]

I'm Vic Ice out.

[Weezy]

I'm not just saying that.

[Vic Mensa]

That's what Tom Holman is saying.

[Weezy]

The borders are. What do you think, out of Minnesota? So they're going to move on and terrorize another city. They're not saying that. Yeah, that's what they mean. That's been the pattern. They've come and they've terrorized one city, then they've moved and they've escalated. Then they've moved and they've escalated. I would assume they're going to continue to escalate. I think that because there was one word that people didn't really pay that.

[Vic Mensa]

Much attention, he said, the aggressive, you know, enforcement.

[Weezy]

And so maybe that means they're going to enforce but not be as aggressive.

[Jason Jolly]

Or theater like you.

[Weezy]

Like, not use it theatrically. Of course they're going to stay. They're going to keep a certain presence there, but I think they'll probably shift their focus of aggression to a new city. I'm done. I'm vic out.

[Mandy B]

I think that it's literally that.

[Jason Jolly]

Yeah, I don't. I don't see anything.

[Mandy B]

I will also say what I found really interesting. There was a map that I came across on. On X that literally showed all of the changes of the red and blue states over, like, the last 60 years. And the way that Minnesota stayed blue even with surrounding. With surrounding red states. It was like, oh, that's why they went there. It's been so politically charged. And it's. It's a state that when you live in a major city, don't. None of us really talk about Minnesota. You don't think. But from a political landscape, I was like, oh, they've been about that.

[Jason Jolly]

Yeah.

[Mandy B]

So even seeing the protests, y', all in Minnesota, they were protesting in zero degree weather. Like, when all of this was happening with ice. Did y' all see the video of them throwing the dildos at the ice? I was like, oh, Minnesota is about that. They may be like the. Some of the dopest white people this.

[Jason Jolly]

Country may have, like, Minnesota, like, when it comes to that type of shit, like, Minnesotans are. This is not a sports podcast, but Minnesotans politically are like the Packer fans of social consciousness. Like, zero degree weather. Doesn't matter what the conditions is. Like, we outside for our team. We're going to stand out here. We're going to talk all our shit. We not sitting down. We're going to throw dildos at you. Like, we don't give a fuck. And that's what they are. And they've been on that. You said they've been on that for a long time.

[Mandy B]

That is what they're on. I wish I could find this. Oh, my God. So speaking of Vic Mensa.

[Weezy]

Yeah.

[Mandy B]

I'm obsessed with the content he's been making.

[Jason Jolly]

He's doing amazing job.

[Mandy B]

He also is one of the people, like, I've. I've been obsessed with his music. I mean, clearly he's also. If y' all are watching this on.

[Aaron A. King]

Video, the autobiography by I got it behind me too. Look at that.

[Weezy]

You see that?

[Jason Jolly]

Oh, shit.

[Mandy B]

Oh, shit.

[Aaron A. King]

We in sync.

[Mandy B]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. This is why our group chat is yours.

[Aaron A. King]

Autograph too.

[Mandy B]

Damn, damn, damn. Hold on. You know what's crazy? I actually have his most recent album signed. The vinyl sign.

[Weezy]

Take that.

[Mandy B]

All right, thank you very much. Now I gotta bring that in. I'm wondering if he deleted it. But he. He made a post recently.

[Aaron A. King]

Oh, it was really good.

[Mandy B]

Well, I wanted to. Let me see. I wanted to talk about it, but I can't see if. By the way, I love everything he does so much. I subscribe to his substack. So he just dropped a substack.

[Aaron A. King]

But it was an Instagram. He did, didn't he?

[Mandy B]

He made an Instagram post. Yeah, but he. He removed it. And it was talking about basically his. His battle right now with wanting to start a podcast, but also feeling like me starting a podcast is me admitting that I failed in music. He feels like, oh, yeah, that's what people do. Feels like starting the podcast is where people who are not excelling in their music career.

[Weezy]

And I was like, what did we say?

[Aaron A. King]

I even think that was a sentiment. He was saying the throwing the towel sentiment too.

[Weezy]

When we came in and we start pre gaming, right? This is because they're not putting out music no more.

[Mandy B]

No.

[Weezy]

And which is interesting because they say, oh, rap is in a weird. Rap is in a great space.

[Mandy B]

It is, right?

[Weezy]

If you're an independent artist, this is your time. It's the OG ones that we see chatting, chat, chit chatting on these microphones. They scared to get in that booth. And I'm not talking about a freestyle. I'm talking about putting effort and intentions to a full blown album.

[Jason Jolly]

Well, here's what I. I mean, I think that does apply to a certain extent, but like, that's hard to agree with. I wouldn't call Jada and Joe, like have, but they're not like failures at music though.

[Weezy]

Half and half. I'm not going in the booth today. We know Jada's gonna go in the booth.

[Jason Jolly]

Jada's for sure gonna go in half and half.

[Aaron A. King]

But Jada's also like an aberration that like people still pay attention to him X amount of years in his career. Like Bleak Bleak put out an EP last year. Not a lot of people checked for.

[Weezy]

It, but he did, though.

[Aaron A. King]

You know what I mean? But he did it active. But he also talked about the realities of like his fandom and how people check for him is different than what.

[Jason Jolly]

It was 10 years ago back Then.

[Mandy B]

I want to read kind of what he said in him expressing these feelings. He said, at certain moments in life, to evolve to the next stage of becoming, one must be willing to shed old ideas of self, to allow some dreams to die and others to be born. The versions of yourself that may have, once sustained you, may no longer represent you. Sometimes it is moments of extremity that bring this clarity. A near death experience, the birth of a child, the harsh walls of incarceration. Sorry, none of those words feel quite right to me. However, what it really feels like is standing at the edge of what has worked and admitting without theatrics, that it may not work anymore or it may not be enough anymore.

[Jason Jolly]

And literally, that's real shit.

[Mandy B]

And literally in the caption.

[Weezy]

I don't want him to do the podcast.

[Mandy B]

Don't do it in the caption. I've been talking to him about having a podcast. Like, we've had conversations for hours. He's constantly picking my brain at how to do it, how it's monetized, what works, like, how often he has to do it, the video, how necessary it is. And I'm like, vic, you are so freaking great at this. Like, you should. But I get that there is a perception that it's where people go to pivot careers that are no longer, you know, and so there's a thing like, do I abandon music if I go this route? Are people going to think I'm a failure in music because I go this route?

[Weezy]

Yes. Yes. And see, you want to know why? Yeah. Because there's a different tier of rapper that's doing podcasts. Remember that. And if the goal is always to be the best and compete with the best, once you relinquish that by doing this fucking podcast shit, right? First off, when I say that we. No, hold on. Let me, let me draw the bar though. We're elite podcast niggas, right? Okay, we're at certain tail podcasts, for sure. You're entering our world. We're not trying to rap. Although I had an idea to do. I wrote I still might do it.

[Jason Jolly]

Dude, I actually had a verse that I wrote for today's show. For no reason at all. For no reason at all. I wrote a verse for this anti rap.

[Weezy]

We're closing out the anti rap pod.

[Mandy B]

We will not have Jason do the beat because.

[Jason Jolly]

No, this is acapella.

[Weezy]

This is acapella. Look, I've had conversation with Freddie Gibbs about doing he itching, but you know, you know why he won't do it? Because he doesn't believe he's in that tier anymore because he's a Grammy award winning now nominee and winner.

[Aaron A. King]

I think, I think when you're like that creative, it's like you have, you have to put your all into one bucket. You know what I mean? Like, I think Freddie Gibbs would be an ill podcaster, but for him to be a dope podcaster, he just had to stop. Like, that's what Joe did. That's what Noriega did. Like they had to stop in order to do it. You can argue like for some people it wasn't their decision to stop and they did it, but I just don't think, I don't think you could do it to that degree and be full time in each.

[Mandy B]

No, no, no, you can't. Let's be very clear. And I think it's what people are realizing now because we have the Joes because now even athletes are popping.

[Weezy]

I don't even put Joe in that.

[Mandy B]

Nope. No. But to say that this is actually, this is time consuming. Like, I remember I was talking to TI before he brought back expeditiously before he came back.

[Aaron A. King]

Really good episode with DJ Toonp recently.

[Mandy B]

But I remember at one point we were talking and he was like, yeah, like it's a lot. Do you think there's a way I could create an ensemble to where they could pot if I can't make it? And I'm like, no, you have to be there for every episode.

[Weezy]

Unless you have a cast of characters that.

[Mandy B]

But so that's what.

[Jason Jolly]

That would take some time to build up. The audience should try to have it.

[Mandy B]

You gotta do that for two years minimum to get people to like.

[Jason Jolly]

But here's what I'll say about like Vick and his. And his take on that. And I'm saying, and I'm saying this like with the utmost respect. Ok. Like, no, funny. There's a lot. Like, I know Vic Mensa has obviously like a fan base.

[Mandy B]

Yeah.

[Jason Jolly]

I'm not sure if the wider hip hop audience is looking at Vic Minson as somebody who has had like the most stellar career ever, who has to maintain some level of like, oh, if you fall back, we're gonna look at you weird because you used to be this Y Z. He's put out a lot of great art and he's had a lot of. I saw Vic Mensa perform open up for Jay z during the 444 Tour smash.

[Mandy B]

Because that's another thing. He was signed to Jay.

[Jason Jolly]

Yeah.

[Mandy B]

And apparently it's difficult. Like only Rihanna And J. Cole has successfully.

[Jason Jolly]

Right.

[Mandy B]

Like, Jay is. Jay is Jay. But let's be very clear. He doesn't really. He doesn't bring in his artists the way he should.

[Jason Jolly]

Yeah. Signing the. Right.

[Mandy B]

I don't even know. Does Vick have a J verse on anything? No.

[Jason Jolly]

No, he's never appeared.

[Aaron A. King]

It can't be the prerequisite design to rock.

[Jason Jolly]

Yeah, no, it's not. But I guess the point is that, like. Like. But this is my.

[Weezy]

Like.

[Jason Jolly]

So Vic Miz's last album came out in 2023. The album before that came out in 21. He put out one in 20, 19, 18. Oh, he drops music. He drops. But what. But now it's 2026, so he hasn't put out an album in three years.

[Aaron A. King]

Right.

[Jason Jolly]

And before that, there was two, almost two and a half years in between that one and the one before that. So, like, I understand. I understand him as a creative. As the person who might feel like.

[Weezy]

You want to be music art higher than it should be. Is that what you.

[Aaron A. King]

Maybe.

[Jason Jolly]

And I don't even know if, like, that sounds crazy.

[Weezy]

I know.

[Jason Jolly]

And again, like, I'm not trying to disrespect his brother at all, but it's just that, like, what are we holding on to from a music standpoint that says you can't do this podcast. It comes smashing it.

[Weezy]

You can't do both.

[Jason Jolly]

You can't do both because, like, you're not really a everyday artist in the sense of, like, you're putting out music all the time. You're not dropping music.

[Mandy B]

Like Russ. Who drop. Doesn't Russ drop it weekly? Still.

[Aaron A. King]

I feel like Vic doing a podcast would be like Vince Staples doing the Netflix show. Like. Like, they're. They're not. They're not. They're not artists where they're, like, so huge. Where, like, the. The. The music, like, consumes, like, where they have to, like, cycle every year or.

[Jason Jolly]

They drop all the time, stay on tour.

[Aaron A. King]

I think there's. I think there's a cool, complimentary way. Like, I wouldn't even want him to do, like, a general interest podcast. Do something that's related to the album that's, like, that's fair. Six months before the album and six.

[Weezy]

But he's politically charged right now.

[Mandy B]

Politically charged. But he's always been. Yeah, he's always been this. He has a song called I Want to say. It's 16 shots, and it's about a kid being killed. Like, Laquan McDonald and then I love Liquor Locker.

[Jason Jolly]

Oh, yeah.

[Mandy B]

If you go back like, he has some really good fucking music.

[Jason Jolly]

And I could argue that what Vic is doing right now with his oranges and his messaging, I can argue that that has put his name in more regular conversations in my life, in his music every day. I've never had a Vic Minsk music conversation with anybody. I get these links of him talking that shit all the time in group chats. It's constant conversations. People love that shit.

[Mandy B]

Let me tell you how Weezy and I, my other podcast, we have completely different music taste, completely different big Mensa came on. Decisions, decisions. I've never heard Weezy mention Vic Mensa. She recently, just because of the orange trees and things. Not that she knows his catalog. Oh, my God. The content that Vic Mensa's dropping right now, like, and I was like, okay, girl.

[Aaron A. King]

Yeah, quality human being.

[Mandy B]

And it's good content. So I do think, by the way, Vic, I've already told you this. You have my support. Just do the fucking pod.

[Jason Jolly]

Do the pod, bro.

[Aaron A. King]

Just do it.

[Mandy B]

Do the pod. And don't sit here and squander over people's thoughts. It's the same way when celebrities get broke and need money. They might have to go get another job, and they don't want to go get a job because they're so consumed with what people may think. Do think of this as another art. Think of this as another art.

[Weezy]

Yeah.

[Jason Jolly]

And it is an art to this. But. And I also could argue that, but if Vic decides to do this podcast and it really blows up, he might be the first artist to benefit musically from having a successful podcast.

[Mandy B]

I'm not gonna lie.

[Jason Jolly]

Because people want to know you. People want to have insight to you. And not saying that his music isn't personal, but if you have a profile that has grown that much, where people love you that much and they're that invested in your thoughts and ideas that can translate directly to your art with the type of stuff that you could be talking about on your album albums.

[Mandy B]

Oh, listen, I, I, I'll produce it. I already told him I produce it remote, though, because he in la. Yeah, no. And if you aren't familiar, he does have it to where you subs. You can subscribe to his substack where he talks about a lot of things. So I love that he is growing this community where he's gathering data too, for people that are interested in what he has to say. That was a great start.

[Weezy]

So I got a list we could.

[Mandy B]

Create to Vic Mensa. You said what?

[Weezy]

I got a list we could kind of go over one Day. We could develop this. Listen, rappers, we don't want to see with podcasts.

[Mandy B]

We might actually get into that when we say when we get into celebrity. Save the darkest hour.

[Jason Jolly]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. That might could spin the corner right now.

[Mandy B]

But let's get into the fact that this is not a sports podcast. But however. However, let's get into some sports. As y' all know, last week we had our Black History Month episode drop. If you haven't checked that out, make sure you go now. We give you some entertainment, some laughs and some history.

[Jason Jolly]

Shout out to all y' all arguing in the comments right now about black men that did white women.

[Weezy]

Right?

[Mandy B]

Because apparently some people get the joke.

[Jason Jolly]

And some people in there mad.

[Mandy B]

They literally don't understand sarcasm.

[Jason Jolly]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Mandy B]

They think we're for real. And now I'm being attacked. Isn't the host makes.

[Jason Jolly]

Before we went live right now, I saw that like Manny could be like.

[Weezy]

Yo, I'm about to buy these new Jordans. What give you the right, you biracial mother? She's a human being.

[Mandy B]

It don't matter what I say. They love bringing up that I got a white mama in them. Comments undermine me. Suck my dick from the back. Anyways, because that was our episode last week, we were able to really give thoughts. But also I love that we get to sit with things a little longer over here because we get to see the outrage.

[Aaron A. King]

Yeah.

[Mandy B]

And so really what we do is we respond to the outrage of y'. All. N. So Bad Bunny performed at the Super Bowl. We really don't have to talk about the game. Cause, boy, was that boring.

[Weezy]

Expected to.

[Mandy B]

The game was boring.

[Jason Jolly]

Listen, I like Patriots suffering, so field goal. Yeah, yeah. Any level of Boston sports fans suffering is. I'm all for it.

[Weezy]

Love it.

[Vic Mensa]

So.

[Jason Jolly]

It was beautiful.

[Mandy B]

Well, let's get into our thoughts on Baboni Baboni and the super bowl halftime performance. By the way, there were a lot of people that did choose to turn into the Turning Point Channel USA shit with Kid Rock and shit.

[Weezy]

I heard they rigged them up a lot. I'm sure they were viable.

[Mandy B]

Not a lot of people. Not a lot. Also, there was one girl that was. I don't know if y' all saw the video. It went viral. She was at the super bowl, but had the Turning Point halftime on in her headphones at the Super Bowl. And it's like, girl, you already supported by going to the Super Bowl. You're already here.

[Weezy]

Yeah, I read they recorded. It was like over two a two day weekend. The.

[Jason Jolly]

The Turning Point turning point thing.

[Weezy]

They did a lot. They casted people to be in the audience for $250.

[Mandy B]

Wait, what? They paid people to be in the.

[Weezy]

Audience and they tied it together and then aired it. But it wasn't live.

[Aaron A. King]

Live the tape.

[Jason Jolly]

Wow.

[Mandy B]

That'S corny.

[Weezy]

Damn.

[Mandy B]

It was only 180 people in it.

[Weezy]

That's the word. The. The.

[Jason Jolly]

The.

[Mandy B]

To do that to get people to go watch that. Melania do.

[Jason Jolly]

See that there was. The word that I saw was that most of the views were online views. The number I saw last was 6 million. I still think that's probably sus. But.

[Mandy B]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Jason Jolly]

But I think that's probably still like a little suspect cuz like 6 million people didn't watch that.

[Mandy B]

Well, this was the most viewed halftime performance of all time.

[Weezy]

No, no, no.

[Aaron A. King]

Kendrick. Kendrick.

[Weezy]

No.

[Aaron A. King]

Yes, Kendrick. Well, I mean maybe now with the, with the. With the Long live.

[Mandy B]

Why now Variety don't like. Variety is a white article.

[Weezy]

Of course.

[Mandy B]

Did you not see how Variety came for center?

[Jason Jolly]

Yeah, yeah, I was a Variety.

[Mandy B]

We are going to treat variety like Fox Sports or Fox News. Like Variety doesn't get quoted.

[Weezy]

Chart data as well. You said what chart data.

[Mandy B]

Go to chart data. Who. Who had. He had more than Kendrick.

[Jason Jolly]

But these are live views or these are views of the YouTube performance.

[Weezy]

No, they said Kendrick Lamar.

[Aaron A. King]

No, it's been. It's been updated.

[Weezy]

Yes, it was.127 to 133.5 the bar. Oh, wow.

[Jason Jolly]

So not so not far.

[Weezy]

No, not far. Okay, but you see how the Drakeies they.

[Mandy B]

They like.

[Aaron A. King]

They want.

[Weezy]

They want to control so bad. I love the commitment.

[Mandy B]

Yummy.

[Jason Jolly]

The way you be laughing.

[Aaron A. King]

I love the commitment.

[Jason Jolly]

I love the commitment.

[Mandy B]

Okay, fine. Anyways.

[Aaron A. King]

It'S kind of a case for both the. Yeah, so. So Kendrick Lamar has. Is number one in the ratings. But if you do. If you draw the ratings with. With like traditional TV ratings and social imprint, then Bad Bunny is number one.

[Mandy B]

That's what I said.

[Aaron A. King]

It could be either.

[Mandy B]

Let's get into though our thoughts. I do. Okay. Only because I was disrespectful to him during the Black History Month episode.

[Weezy]

Who's this?

[Mandy B]

We have to let the Puerto Rican speak first. I know it's Black History Month. Don't talk bad Bony. We actually got a Puerto Ric.

[Weezy]

She said you ain't got no tied to back history.

[Mandy B]

What were your thoughts? Also from a Nuyorican. Even though you Jersey, I can kind of call you Nuyorican because there was so much it felt Bronxy. It felt. It felt. What were your thoughts of the performance?

[Jason Jolly]

And did you cry?

[Aaron A. King]

Oh, I was. I was. I was full of fucking tears. When Ricky Martin came, that one was huge.

[Jason Jolly]

I'm not gonna lie. My girl screamed too loud. When Ricky Martin came on there, I.

[Aaron A. King]

Was like, I'm not gonna lie.

[Jason Jolly]

Hey, calm down. Calm down.

[Mandy B]

The Botox filler. He could chill. Just. It took me a while to be like. But also, I am very shocked. And it would have been so much better. This is my only critique about that. If he coming out, bitch, I don't care if he don't want to sing. We need a living La vida loca.

[Aaron A. King]

Well, so. So let me tell you why I was calling.

[Mandy B]

You know, the backstory of this. Come on. Jerk.

[Aaron A. King]

So. So Ricky Martin had wrote a piece from Time magazine about Bad Bunny, and he was saying how Bad Bunny did it the right way and how Ricky Martin and Marc Anthony didn't because they made English language albums, right? And so he does that honoring Bad Bunny. And then he always gives Bad Bunny props. And so that the song he did, it's don't let what happened to Hawaii happen to us. Puerto Rico, the island. And so he does the part that he does, he's like, you know, they want to take my beach. They want to take my neighborhood. They want my grandmother to move, but I wave the flag and, you know, we will never lose, like, our essence. Like, that's the part he did. And so, like, to. To. And so. But also had, like, this double meaning for him, right? Like, he had to do an English language album. He had to, like, hide his sexuality.

[Mandy B]

Yeah.

[Aaron A. King]

So, like, he has this moment where, like, the young dude puts him on, and, like, it was just, like, so symbolic. And I think the halftime show was so dope because it's like Bad Bunny told the story of, like, so many Puerto Ricans. But it felt so personal. Like, the way it opened. The way it opened with, like, the sugar cane. Like, my grandfather used to do that. My grandfather used to come cut sugar cane. And then, like, it ends with, like, the blackout. And, like, you know, my aunt still lives on the island, and she was affected, but so it's like. And then when he did, like, the part with, like, New York. So it's like there's so many elements of it that, like, us. And it sounds so like white people to say, but, like, you see so many elements of yourself in the performance that, like, you know, that was, like, super powerful. And then Ricky Martin is just such a, like, story to, like, so Many Puerto Rican families. Like, you saw him when he was, like, 12 years old with a. And then to see him then it felt like very full circle. Now that that specific song, the setting was like the album cover to have Ricky Martin, like, the aesthetic of it, like, it was just. It was just layered in a way that like. Like rappers. Do you know what I mean? And so, like, it very much was like a continuation of last year with Kendrick Lamar, but just the Spanish language now.

[Mandy B]

We didn't get Crush perform Ish.

[Jason Jolly]

That was one of the craziest parts of the thing. Like, he had a listers who were.

[Weezy]

Just like, yeah, yeah, yeah, chill over.

[Jason Jolly]

There, Chill over there while I get busy.

[Mandy B]

I am curious. Curious to know your thoughts on Gaga.

[Jason Jolly]

Yeah, that's what I was gonna ask.

[Aaron A. King]

So that part was interesting too. So at first when I saw it, I was confused, and then when I rewatched it the next day, so, you know, bad. There's a break where Bad Bunny starts speaking in. In English, and he's like, you know, I'm here at the super bowl, and they didn't believe in me, but, you know, I believed in myself. And you can believe in yourself. And then he starts singing the song Monaco Monaco. And the beginning of the song, he says, tell me, tell me, tell me. Is this what you wanted? And then as soon as he says that, it cuts to Lady Gaga. And I feel like that was like, the white woman. Is this what you want? But then the white woman is backed by a Puerto Rican band, right? Like the. Like the. The bonbon and, like, plana version of her song. So I felt like that was likeness of that.

[Mandy B]

Okay. I didn't. Okay, yeah.

[Aaron A. King]

That's what struck me. When I watched it the second time, listened to it, I was like, all right, he's setting it up.

[Jason Jolly]

Because it was very, like, in a group chat that I'm in. It was a very controversial thing where, like, people were pissed off about it. And honestly, it was black people that was mad, like, why the fuck is she up there?

[Weezy]

Yeah.

[Jason Jolly]

And which I understand to a degree, but also, like, Benito has always been, like, pretty avid about the fact that he loves Lady Gaga. So to me, it wasn't that strange.

[Aaron A. King]

And they had that moment at the Grammys where he was sitting by himself, she came and, like, tapped him on the shoulder, right?

[Jason Jolly]

So, like, I understood it to some degree, but I also could get the idea of, like, okay, why is she here? But I didn't think about that context. You just put it in. And to me, that makes it Make a lot more sense.

[Mandy B]

Even a bigger slap.

[Jason Jolly]

A bigger.

[Weezy]

Yeah, yeah.

[Mandy B]

I actually like.

[Jason Jolly]

I like that.

[Mandy B]

Yeah. I will say it was.

[Aaron A. King]

It was super trollish. Like, like, my wife was like. It was. It was so, like, positive. And I was like.

[Mandy B]

I mean, it was no even like.

[Aaron A. King]

But he was definitely trolling them too.

[Mandy B]

I don't know if it was planned, but the fact that, okay, you're speaking in Spanish, your performance is in Spanish, you have these people dancing and twerking, and at one point, and that's where I'm, like, wondering creatively if it was planned. They had two men grinding on it.

[Aaron A. King]

Oh, yeah.

[Jason Jolly]

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Aaron A. King]

Definitely. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Mandy B]

And I was like, oh, my God, I love this. I'm not gonna lie for, like, still now I kind of want to be Puerto Rican. This performance, two things for me, thought that it was beautifully done. And every time I go on tour, I don't know why I think I got a Beyonce budget. I be like, ooh, I want.

[Jason Jolly]

Leave me some foliage around this bitch.

[Mandy B]

I'm not gonna lie.

[Jason Jolly]

The stage set design was many features.

[Mandy B]

So for me, as someone who loves live performances, who loves set design, who loves. I mean, like, I really love seeing that be center stage to some degree. He bodied it to find out that the same person who did Kendrick Lamar did this as well.

[Weezy]

Charmed. Ladonna. I was like, charmed ladonna.

[Mandy B]

Yeah. What's the name?

[Weezy]

Charm. Ladonna.

[Mandy B]

Charm ladonna.

[Jason Jolly]

Choreography.

[Aaron A. King]

Yeah.

[Mandy B]

Hey, Charm.

[Weezy]

She's outta here. I know her bankroll is I need.

[Mandy B]

Some dance classes and shit, but bitch, when I get the money, I'm hiring you for something yomi. That. That is off mic that you can't hear.

[Weezy]

Put a little mic on it. We gotta put a mic stand on there.

[Mandy B]

We gonna have to give her. No, you know what? She laughs too much at mic.

[Jason Jolly]

That's my favorite. That's my. Yomi does great work, but that's my favorite part of.

[Mandy B]

She laughs at mics.

[Jason Jolly]

That's fantastic. Never change. Y.

[Mandy B]

Never change. For me, the super bowl was. Was. Was just. It was beautifully done. It was beautifully done from.

[Jason Jolly]

From moment one. Like, you said, like, the set design and the coloring and. Oh, I didn't expect him to come to play, but it was very like, oh, he's not fucking around.

[Aaron A. King]

The crazy part about it, too, is like, he's. He's like. I'm trying to think, like, the best comparison. Like, he. He was not always as. Like, he's like. Not like he. So he was like, Trey songz and now he's become like Marvin Gaye. Like, he was awesome. Like, he's. Like, his early records were like, dirty Mackin. Like, he was like, more rapping. And it was a lot of like. Like, I'll take your girl. Like it. But like. Like, my mom still doesn't listen to Bad Bunny because she thinks he's just nasty. But, like, in his ten year arc, like, he's become so. Like, it's so. It's crazy. Literally. Imagine Trey Songz became Marvin Gaye. Like, no, it's crazy.

[Mandy B]

I saw someone, like, give the words for vip.

[Weezy]

Yeah.

[Mandy B]

Yeah. That was like a little bit of Monica in my life. And I'm like.

[Jason Jolly]

Talking about pink cocaine.

[Aaron A. King]

But even that one. So that song's. The third verse is again, it's subversive. He. He talks about like. So he sends the first two verses like, you know this girl? My aunt asked me to have a lot of girlfriends. You have a lot of girlfriends. Then the third verse, it's. It's. He's talking about, like, the idea of, like, that just leaves you lonely if you live that life. That just. Yeah, but he was. He was not. He was not always this person. That's why it's so crazy, like, to. To see him have the football at the end and like, we are America and do that. Like, this is not who he was in 2017.

[Jason Jolly]

Imagine if Drake had taken that route. Imagine if Drake had started off just like a little young dickhead about, like, you know, talking to Drake.

[Aaron A. King]

Shit.

[Jason Jolly]

And then actually, like, became some level of conscience that people could.

[Mandy B]

And of course.

[Aaron A. King]

But it's still jamming.

[Jason Jolly]

Yeah, still jamming.

[Mandy B]

They've been showing older Bad Bunny, right. And I want. I definitely want to get to All Star, but there was a clip that they've been, like, posting with him in a dress in one of his. In one of his videos.

[Aaron A. King]

So that was a song he was doing when the two guys were grinding into each other. That was a music video for the song though, even.

[Mandy B]

And they're like, this is who y' all have performing at the Super Bowl. The backstory behind him wearing that is that there was a trans woman who got killed and he was doing that in remembrance of, like, of her. And I was just like, oh, wow.

[Aaron A. King]

Yeah, he's too.

[Mandy B]

I'm not gonna lie. Buying the Apple AirPods, spending the money. I need to hear what this nigga really care. I'm getting all the albums.

[Jason Jolly]

Well, you know, you can't have. We live in a time now where it's like, you can't have too much positivity without somebody trying to piss and eliminate. And so in, like, the day after the Super Bowl, I saw this clip that was floating around where people were trying to manufacture outrage for a Bobby Shmurda, a hot freestyle that he did back in. Who knows, 2014 or some shit like that. It was like, ah, see, look at him. He says, nigga. And like, all that. And I was like, all right, here we go with.

[Mandy B]

They did. Even the whites were really upset and I think tried to petition the FCC to find the NFL and Bad Bunny because of all the sexually explicit things that they were showing. And it's like, bro, they were just dancing. Saw some merengue, twerking like, y' all ain't got no problems with it? Like, come on.

[Weezy]

Yeah, the fcc, they investigated, but they. They cleared them over.

[Mandy B]

They cleared it already. I love the.

[Weezy]

But just the fact that. So we do this performance, and I say we because this is. I think he speaks for the. A large populace of us who have. Who just want to just get out of this funk that we're in. Why we got to investigate him?

[Mandy B]

Yeah.

[Weezy]

Is he speaking against the fucking fuck shit that's happening? It's dumb, but we should expect it at this point.

[Jason Jolly]

It's like, oh, shit.

[Weezy]

Oh, we got to investigate him because we had two dudes gyrating on screens.

[Mandy B]

Let's be clear. Someone always gonna be mad.

[Jason Jolly]

Of course, even the people in the mad are full of shit.

[Mandy B]

But also, oh, well, you stepped on my goddamn transition. I'm not full of. But I was about to be like, I'm mad at all C. But clearly I'm full of. I'm full of, too. I'm not gonna lie.

[Weezy]

Yeah.

[Mandy B]

The conversation. Because they're also back to back. The super bowl is so heavily watched. The super bowl performance has been so heavily discussed.

[Weezy]

Yes.

[Mandy B]

NBA All Star Weekend has almost felt like an afterthought. Thought for a lot of people, I don't think. I mean. And there's a few things, right. I did attend. So I attended the skills challenge dunk contest on Saturday night. Also went to the game yesterday.

[Jason Jolly]

He had a R. You.

[Mandy B]

You said what?

[Jason Jolly]

He had a rsc, too.

[Weezy]

Yes.

[Mandy B]

I want to get into that.

[Weezy]

I'm sorry.

[Mandy B]

I would like to say I'm like, she right there. I didn't like the Shout out. My peoples. Shout out to Keith. Shout out to Marianne. They are responsible for talent.

[Weezy]

Shout out.

[Jason Jolly]

Shout out to Keith.

[Mandy B]

Performers y' all saw, like, they're amazing. Just so y' all Know, I ain't fucking for tickets.

[Jason Jolly]

Okay.

[Mandy B]

I know people in hot places, so I got to enjoy the all star experience. You know, the tickets that I received.

[Weezy]

Did they give you the tennis bracelet too?

[Mandy B]

You posted it that. Hold on.

[Jason Jolly]

Don't mark that.

[Weezy]

Continue.

[Mandy B]

Valentine's Day will be discussed behind the.

[Jason Jolly]

Paywall or the Rolex.

[Mandy B]

The Rolex Bin.

[Weezy]

Well, the Rolex.

[Mandy B]

No.

[Weezy]

Cuz I'm like, why she posting the. You know, the Rolex?

[Mandy B]

I was like, oh, oh, yeah. But I did get diamonds to add. But no, that's going behind the paywall because as much as people think I'm a. I did have a Valentine. Anyways, so went to the game.

[Jason Jolly]

Okay.

[Mandy B]

The tickets. And I know a lot of people have been complaining about the. The. The emptiness, so to speak.

[Weezy]

Yeah.

[Mandy B]

I don't know what the. Or why the. They are doing it this way. They have completely priced out the actual fan. The seat that I was in was a $2,500 ticket.

[Jason Jolly]

Insane.

[Mandy B]

I had a friend who was like, yo, send me the section you were in. I'm going to get a ticket. He bought it the day of. $3,700.

[Jason Jolly]

Damn.

[Mandy B]

Not only that. You ready? Box of popcorn. 1050 drinks were $26 a piece. And also they make you download the Intuit Dome app. I am still kind of savvy that that dome is so high tech. It's cash. Like everything has to go through the app. The anxiety of.

[Aaron A. King]

Not the high tech dome.

[Weezy]

High tech dome. What does that look like?

[Mandy B]

It was so high tech. It was so high tech. I could imagine if you have a flip phone or an Android or just you're older.

[Jason Jolly]

You can't do all of that.

[Mandy B]

I was frustrated. You have to like transfer the tickets or they have to give you a band. It was. It was not a great entry experience going into that dome.

[Jason Jolly]

Yeah.

[Mandy B]

Also you have to walk. Yo. I'm gonna say 10.

[Weezy]

Jason. It's going all over her head though. You know, Pause. You know, all of this is going over.

[Mandy B]

Like going into the dome.

[Weezy]

Are you just. Are you just. You just missed the whole.

[Mandy B]

Before I'm talking. Nasty.

[Weezy]

No, it's okay. Continue.

[Mandy B]

You know, the AI Dome and you.

[Weezy]

Yeah, but that's why. That's probably why it's costing.

[Aaron A. King]

Don't talk.

[Mandy B]

And so that's what I'm saying. So all of the technology, by the way, they have a beautiful halo. It looks. It looks nice.

[Weezy]

I'm sure.

[Mandy B]

Also the food. So I'm. I'm on club level and I see the food out. Mind you it's like the food is sitting out. They have, like. It's a $17 slice of pizza. Then they have this thing. Hold on, you ready? We're at a game. They have this thing called fish and chips. And I was like, oh, okay, I guess I'll do the fish and chips.

[Jason Jolly]

Yeah, bro.

[Mandy B]

I was looking. I said, where the fish. The fish had air quotes. It was.

[Weezy]

Oh, shit.

[Mandy B]

It was caviar. Three scoops of caviar on potato chips, $40.

[Jason Jolly]

Wow.

[Weezy]

I said, that's fish and chips.

[Mandy B]

That was their fish and chip. It was way too, like, what are y' all really trying to do? It was to me, as someone that I got a little coin. I, as someone who's been a basketball fan for my entire life, was like, how can anyone enjoy being here?

[Aaron A. King]

Yeah, it's not a good experience.

[Mandy B]

A $26 drink, even. Like, my friend bought four drinks, $110.

[Jason Jolly]

And the thing that pisses me off about this shit is that, like, I understand it's a business. I understand, you know, profit margins and all of that. But, like, bro, you can still make millions and millions and millions of dollars without going in people's pockets like that. Like, the sodas and all that kind of shit. Like, this is just syrup and carbonated water. The margins on one cup of Coca Cola is probably a penny, two pennies.

[Mandy B]

Okay, so you ready? Tops. You ready? What I heard from a local, allegedly. And I don't know if they're just trying to make it up because of how high tech it is and because everything is through an app and everything is like this. Allegedly. The first two months the dome was open, nothing was being charged. The technology, no one was really being charged for their food. So for two months, it took them a while to catch that they weren't receiving the revenue from the concessions. It is that high tech in there to where I was just like, this is really like.

[Weezy]

But the thing is, not all arenas are like that, so I would imagine it's just a venue issue. Well, yeah, the venue's upcharging to make up for losses that they had next year.

[Mandy B]

The All Star Game is in Phoenix, so it's also not a major city. So I'm curious to see if it's more affordable than LA la to me, by far. If y' all are ever looking to go to All Star Weekend and it's in la.

[Weezy]

Yeah, don't go.

[Mandy B]

Go. There were so many parties that everything was so spread out to where the parties exclusively, it seemed like, weren't even. They. They Weren't even packed. It just didn't feel like. And then I don't know if y' all saw they shut down Jaylen Brown's party in Beverly Hills.

[Weezy]

I saw that.

[Jason Jolly]

It was a house party or was that a.

[Weezy]

No, it was a panel.

[Mandy B]

It was a whole. Well, and then he did have afters, cuz I was.

[Jason Jolly]

Of course there was.

[Mandy B]

It was an after hours party that was supposed to take place starting at 10. But during the day he had a panel. Mind you, the same venue had been used since Thursday, Thursday, Friday, Saturday were used by other people. They came to shut his down on Sunday. His was a. He's black.

[Weezy]

Well, he was trying to bridge the gap or the conversation between black and brown in the tech industry. Right. And I believe based on what I saw and you could tell he's a genuine dude, man. I really think he had good intentions. And I don't know who his lineup was, but he kept emphasizing he had a dope panel and he was talking to the youth about getting involved in this shit. And I think that the power that be was like, man, fuck all that. We don't want this shit in Beverly Hills, nigga.

[Jason Jolly]

Just like that also don't like. I mean, listen, let me get back out my.

[Weezy]

NBA got to get back to the community.

[Mandy B]

I was gonna say, what does the NBA have to do?

[Weezy]

NBA Cares. Y' all gotta get back.

[Aaron A. King]

NBA Cares just be dope. That was dope.

[Mandy B]

Now, NBA Cares was present. There was video of what was happening around All Star Weekend. And you did have people go and give back to the community. So NBA Cares was active and present.

[Aaron A. King]

This weekend again, the NBA doesn't run NBA like All Star Weekend anymore. It's all the brand partnerships, like I said. You said all those parties. I was joking with my man the other day. But it's true. The reason why the All Star Game is not as good to people as what they imagine it to be. Larry Bird wasn't in the streets four nights a week, like, going to like the Coca Cola, this whatever class. And then like meeting his like fintech partner in the morning and then doing like, they do all these events and then it's like, all right, you know, play ball. And they're like, are you trying to.

[Jason Jolly]

Like, I've been smoking blunts and drinking Hennessy.

[Aaron A. King]

Yeah.

[Mandy B]

Wait, wait, wait. I'm curious. So let's get into the actual All Star Games then. And because it was the first year that they had a different setup, I will also say I am sorry for y' all on the East Coast a two o' clock game start.

[Aaron A. King]

I liked it being early though. And usually like I'm the first person that says like when somebody's like back in the day when we were younger. But it used like the all star game used to come on earlier on. Yeah, it did, it did. Like Sunday afternoon.

[Weezy]

Because they didn't have all the game, all the activities leading up to it other than the dunk contest and the three point.

[Mandy B]

Right, but that's on Saturday. Saturday.

[Aaron A. King]

Well, so that was on a Saturday night. It was always. It was Friday.

[Weezy]

Saturday, Sunday now.

[Aaron A. King]

Yeah.

[Mandy B]

Right.

[Aaron A. King]

But it used to be that way before. But the game was always earlier on.

[Mandy B]

Sunday when it's on the west coast. Yes, but it still airs around 7:30.

[Jason Jolly]

Yeah, normally I'm talking about like when.

[Aaron A. King]

Magic Johnson was playing.

[Mandy B]

TVs were black and white then.

[Aaron A. King]

That's what I'm saying. You shouldn't go down the road of like back in the day. But I, I thought it was.

[Mandy B]

No, no, no, no. About.

[Aaron A. King]

It was interesting to experiment with it as an earlier time.

[Mandy B]

Jason, I actually want to relate to you a little bit. So let's start with Saturday. Yeah, I did miss the, the three point contest by the time I get in. Dame one. But they were setting up for shooting stars.

[Weezy]

Yeah.

[Mandy B]

And then of course after shooting stars.

[Aaron A. King]

Because I have a Saturday question for you.

[Mandy B]

And then of course, dunk contest. I'm excited. This is where I felt really old. Okay. First though, I was like, who is these niggas? The four guys that were a part of the dunk contest.

[Aaron A. King]

Yeah.

[Mandy B]

I don't even think they're starters within their own teams.

[Aaron A. King]

Not even starters?

[Mandy B]

No, they're. They're like. I feel like one or two of them might be on two way contracts.

[Aaron A. King]

Right.

[Weezy]

And it wasn't finalized till days leading up to the event, which is unnormal.

[Mandy B]

And they were talking about the last guy, mind you, the player that has won for the last three years, the.

[Aaron A. King]

White guy never even been on the NBA roster.

[Mandy B]

Well, never been on the NBA roster. He plays in the G league.

[Weezy]

Crazy.

[Mandy B]

And apparently because he won the last three years, they didn't let him in. Now, Jace Richardson apparently only got the call because his dad is Jay Rich and he's won in the dunk contest. And so I was like, okay, this is what we have going on. All right, cool. Now the first, the first round of dunks, I really felt disconnected to it. And let me tell you why again. I was already pissed at all the fucking taps in the building. So when I started seeing the board, they just had to enter. I said, back in my day, they held up the sign out of sign. Yeah. Where are the cards?

[Weezy]

Where they were.

[Jason Jolly]

That's one ceremony.

[Aaron A. King]

Yeah, that's part of.

[Mandy B]

Part of the fun. Yeah, that was a part of the.

[Aaron A. King]

Fun, but that was especially when they changed the numbers.

[Weezy]

Yeah, but the last time we seen that was what, two years ago? It wasn't that long.

[Jason Jolly]

Yeah, probably, but that's what I'm saying.

[Mandy B]

So when we're talking about, like, the things that bring us, like, the nostalgia of what All Star Weekend was, don't take that away from us. Yeah.

[Jason Jolly]

You don't ever have to be digital. Keep some of the analog stuff to make people have that feeling.

[Weezy]

I bet you'll come back.

[Aaron A. King]

Good word choice. Nostalgia.

[Mandy B]

So then. So again. So it's the tech, it's me wanting old school. And I just realized, damn, maybe I'm old because I like how things used to be. So I have an ignorant take right now.

[Jason Jolly]

Okay.

[Weezy]

All right.

[Jason Jolly]

Mid show ignorant take. Let's have it.

[Mandy B]

So during All Star Weekend, they pick the dance teams from two NBA teams. This year, they picked the Brooklyn Nets, which I love because I'm familiar with the dancers in Brooklyn. And they picked the dancers from the Orlando Magic.

[Jason Jolly]

A dance hall.

[Aaron A. King]

Oh, look at that.

[Weezy]

Oh, best of both worlds for you, right?

[Aaron A. King]

Yeah, that's you.

[Weezy]

So where you go? Oh, shit.

[Mandy B]

I was just bothered, and here's why.

[Jason Jolly]

What? No ass?

[Mandy B]

No, but. So that's a bit of my problem.

[Weezy]

Okay?

[Mandy B]

Brooklyn has the Orlando Magic dancers have, like, two or three guys and have decided to go the inclusive route.

[Jason Jolly]

Okay?

[Mandy B]

Bodies of all shapes and sizes.

[Aaron A. King]

Oh, man.

[Jason Jolly]

Yo, she said, she said, like, they put Lizzo on the pyramid.

[Weezy]

She said, negative body, unpositive.

[Mandy B]

So a part of me is like, as I'm wanting nostalgia. I'm like, where do bat bitch dancers at? I said, everything does not need to be inclusive. So mind you, I'm complaining to this to, like, one of my niggas, right? He was like, yeah, but you used to be thick. And I said, guess what? Hold on.

[Weezy]

And I said, hold on.

[Aaron A. King]

Used to.

[Jason Jolly]

It's okay.

[Mandy B]

Because guess what I said. And guess what? I never had a dream of becoming an NBA dancer because I did not fit the mood. Bring back the mold of the NBA dancers. I want the bitches to have the high titties, the beautiful makeup, the long legs. I want the dancers to give me the feel as to when I go to a Cowboys game. And I'm like this at the Cowboys dancers, NBA Dancers should be fine. Fuck y' all giving me break beat. Dancers and bitches with bellies. I don't wanna see that at an NBA game.

[Weezy]

I mean, bro, when we lose recipes, we lose. We lost the recipes and everything interest into this shit.

[Mandy B]

Here's the thing. Why does everything have to be inclusive? Jesus Christ. Can we actually make some things stay the same? Bro, if I'm at an NBA game, there's already a lot of ugly niggas on the court. Give me some ninjas to look at. I was actually like, this is bothering me.

[Weezy]

This a good take.

[Mandy B]

I don't want to see like, save that shit for the high school dance off and the college. We just had cheer support. Make that inclusive, bro. At the NBA game, I want to see bad bitches on the court dancing.

[Jason Jolly]

So you're saying by being inclusive, they were being anti bisexual?

[Weezy]

Is that what it is?

[Jason Jolly]

Maybe they didn't consider people like Mandy who would be offended by this whole concept. You got these ugly ass players and these ugly ass hoes dancing on the court. What the fuck you got. What the fuck I'm supposed to do here? Watch basketball. What are we. What are we doing here?

[Mandy B]

I was just like, what's the solution? I was like, okay, the solution is.

[Weezy]

Oh, good question.

[Mandy B]

Sometimes things don't need changing. So the same way I wanted the cards held up in the air.

[Weezy]

Yes.

[Mandy B]

Is the same.

[Aaron A. King]

You want to see the baddies?

[Mandy B]

Come say the NBA baddies. Yes, I know. Maybe y' all are mad that they had too many babies by the NBA players and they were going against the rules. I don't know.

[Jason Jolly]

There's a clip.

[Mandy B]

But y' all putting the goddamn. And when I say bad bodies. I don't want to see SpongeBob SquarePants dance in the middle of the goddamn.

[Weezy]

But also, these are Orlando dancing.

[Jason Jolly]

I was going to say these arelando dancing.

[Weezy]

Right.

[Mandy B]

It was the Orlando dancing is okay, so Florida.

[Weezy]

How did the Brooklyn look?

[Mandy B]

The Brooklyn Nets was the Brooklyn Nets. I was like, bring them back out.

[Jason Jolly]

What y' all doing later? Y' all coming to the Jaylen Brown party?

[Mandy B]

They, they, they do what to do during the. The hiring process.

[Weezy]

Maybe the culture, maybe the, you know, New York, you know, Orlando. You would think Orlando.

[Mandy B]

Are you ready? This is where I'm confused. I told you was giving spongebob out there. Like, I want to see that. They even had to wear different jerseys. Like, you know, like when they have big girl clothes.

[Aaron A. King]

I know.

[Weezy]

Advocating for Mandy B. To be the creative.

[Mandy B]

No, what I'm saying.

[Weezy]

Director of the Land of magic.

[Mandy B]

And here. And here's what was frustrating. Florida is not even progressive.

[Jason Jolly]

Why not at all?

[Weezy]

They're not progressive. So why did the.

[Mandy B]

Have for body shapes?

[Jason Jolly]

I don't want D nowhere else. But y' all want these fat dance. Golly.

[Mandy B]

Now, even at one point, one of the guys was. I was like, is that a stud dancing? I was. So I gotta go to look.

[Weezy]

I gotta look for the replay now.

[Mandy B]

Hey, hey, Bring back selective hiring for the NBA dancers. Okay? That's. That's my take. Yeah, I know. I told y' all the problematic take was coming. It was very.

[Aaron A. King]

It's a good one. If you're gonna do it, that's how you do it.

[Mandy B]

Listen, my thoughts should stay in my head sometimes. But not on this podcast.

[Jason Jolly]

Not on this podcast anyways.

[Mandy B]

We do have men. This isn't a sports pod. But did y' all enjoy the winner of the dunk contest? Your thoughts on the dunks? Here I go. Also in my seats, back in my days, they had cars to jump over. These niggas was just.

[Jason Jolly]

So I didn't. So I fell asleep last night. Cause I was just tired. I was fresh off the plane.

[Mandy B]

Did you watch Saturday night? Saturday?

[Jason Jolly]

No, it was Saturday. I was in the air all day coming back from Amsterdam. Yeah. So I missed the whole All Star weekend. But I did see some of the clips and like, I saw somebody on there did like a regular ass dunk.

[Mandy B]

Regular.

[Jason Jolly]

Like a regular. Like there's a regular dunk.

[Weezy]

And I'm like, johnson who? He also.

[Aaron A. King]

Jackson Hayes.

[Jason Jolly]

Jackson. Yeah. Is going on here.

[Weezy]

But the response. His response, like, oh.

[Mandy B]

Yeah.

[Jason Jolly]

Like, like.

[Mandy B]

No. First off, the winner of the dunk contest test won this year because he knows how to do the Dougie.

[Weezy]

Well, he was.

[Mandy B]

What the.

[Weezy]

Well, that was smart because his whole thing was, I'mma do these mid tier dunks. I did the dunk over E40.

[Jason Jolly]

No, that was his best dunk.

[Weezy]

But that wasn't.

[Mandy B]

That was a good dunk. No, no, no, wait. That dunk.

[Weezy]

He dunked over him.

[Mandy B]

That dunk was good. But he did do one where he did some. Some in the air and then he like hit the Dougie in the air and slammed the ball and then got down and dancing. It was nice. It's fun. I was like, ooh, that was good. Good.

[Weezy]

The good brother, Carter Bryant. I felt he should have won the light skinned. The big light skinned one. Okay. He was doing the most creative dunks.

[Jason Jolly]

Actual doing real dunk.

[Weezy]

But he said he was doing. He was hitting all the west coast dances after the dunk. So that everybody, you know, they ate into that. Oh, that's dope.

[Aaron A. King]

But I mean, I think nobody should have won. They should have fined them all. Terrible.

[Weezy]

He bumped his head and fell on the ground.

[Jason Jolly]

Yeah, he did.

[Mandy B]

Live on tv. Jace Richardson.

[Weezy]

Yeah. That was crazy.

[Mandy B]

I. I will say the sentiment. Leaving because, of course, bitch, I talk. I'm laughing.

[Weezy]

Of course. You want to see.

[Mandy B]

So everyone around me were having open discussion, right? Some nostalgic, some if it's a good time or not, and literally walk on the walkout. The guy that was sitting behind me that I felt like actually wanted me to shut the fuck up. I think he just. I think he actually was just listening to my as on the walkout. He was like, let me just tell you, that was one of the worst dunk contests I've ever seen in my life.

[Aaron A. King]

Your homie who paid 37 for the tickets should file a class action lawyer dunk contest to get some change back.

[Mandy B]

And that was the other thing, mind you. He got there late because. Well, that's another thing. He had an issue because he bought his ticket on subhub. When he got to the gate, it was still processing, so he had to, like, buy a whole nother one at the gate. Mind you, game already started. It's three o'. Clock. We done already missed the three point contest. So he got.

[Aaron A. King]

I can't fuck with that tech dog.

[Mandy B]

We got to see shooting stars. And the dunk contest. Not good. Let's get into.

[Weezy]

Sheesh.

[Mandy B]

This new outline of the All Star game. Boy, did it take me to the end of the second game to know what the fuck was happening. So here's. Here's the summary of what the. What it was.

[Weezy]

Yeah.

[Aaron A. King]

Not a Sunday. Talking about the. The USA versus the world versus the usa.

[Mandy B]

That's what so it is.

[Aaron A. King]

My wife was like, it says USA.

[Mandy B]

You ready? There were a total of four teams.

[Weezy]

Yeah.

[Mandy B]

And it's the youngins of the U.S. and the vets of the U.S. yes. The youngins of the world. The Vets of the world. And so it's set up between four games, 12 minutes each. If they're tied at the end, they go into the first one to five, win. And that's the setup.

[Weezy]

Okay.

[Mandy B]

I was like, what? By the way, first game, I'm watching, and it's the Youngins versus the Youngins. I said, where the fuck are the all Stars? I said. I said, what is this? I'm like Jalen Johnson from the hall. Like, what? Like, I'm literally Watching the court, the only person I know is Anthony Edwards now.

[Weezy]

Oh, that was an issue for me. Cause at one point, I'm like, why is he on the World Team? But then I had to Google, I'm like, this is his father from Guyana or some shit?

[Mandy B]

No, Anthony. Anthony.

[Jason Jolly]

He's from Atlanta.

[Weezy]

No, but they had a reshuffling of the roster. It's some weird shit that was going. It was like, you know, it's dumb, the fact that we even doing that.

[Jason Jolly]

Yeah, it is dumb.

[Aaron A. King]

Not only that, he had a DNA update midway23andMe.

[Jason Jolly]

Find out where your roots are from.

[Weezy]

And then.

[Jason Jolly]

Are you fba? Are you one of these other.

[Weezy]

Like, are you a T?

[Mandy B]

Are you.

[Jason Jolly]

You got to go over there now.

[Weezy]

Really?

[Jason Jolly]

With.

[Mandy B]

Oh, yeah. There was some that I didn't know. Like, I think Jamal Murray. I didn't know that he was Canadian.

[Jason Jolly]

Oh, Canadian. Yeah. Yeah.

[Vic Mensa]

He's.

[Mandy B]

He's North America.

[Weezy]

He does have the phenotype drink.

[Jason Jolly]

Yeah.

[Mandy B]

Like, wait, that. 4.

[Weezy]

But technically.

[Mandy B]

But mind you. So I'm. I'm at the game, and I'm like, like, LeBron was introduced. Where the is LeBron? I'm like, where is.

[Jason Jolly]

Are the all.

[Mandy B]

Mind you, while the world is playing in the first game, Giannis is over on the corner. That's all you hear. The crowd is like, put Giannis in. Put. It's like, d. The world is confused. Why these other world.

[Jason Jolly]

Why we out here, right?

[Mandy B]

Like. And so there was a. An urge to actually see the All Stars second game, the vets come out. You see Kevin Durant, who was just. He came out on his burner phone. Like, he came out tweeting, literally.

[Weezy]

We'll get to that.

[Mandy B]

But it was Kevin Durant. It was. Giannis was in the world. You had the LeBron James. You had Kawhi Leonard. And I was like, ooh, I know all these.

[Weezy]

De' Aaron Fox, right?

[Mandy B]

De' Aaron Fox. I was like, okay, this is good. Kawhi looked like the only one that was really trying to play. Kawhi was, I thought, doing a good job. LeBron did a couple things, but I was just like, this isn't giving.

[Weezy]

And that was the issue, too, when they was with Kevin Durant and one of his series of tweets over the weekend. And he chimed in on the conversation about this All Star game versus the pass. He was like, why y' all don't ask Jokic and all these guys and Luka, you see what they be doing?

[Jason Jolly]

Yeah, yeah.

[Weezy]

They be laying down, throwing the ball up in the air.

[Mandy B]

Yeah. They don't care. But apparently. But both of them dealt with injuries this year.

[Weezy]

No, no, he's just saying in totality, like they not, they're not giving 20%.

[Aaron A. King]

So they're not playing defense.

[Mandy B]

Yeah.

[Weezy]

No effort. Yeah. KD said he went. He, he did. He watched the first quarter of all the All Star games of like the 90s.

[Aaron A. King]

Yeah.

[Weezy]

He's like, yeah, y' all bullshitting. It was the same.

[Jason Jolly]

Well, that's some of the problem with nostalgia. The people have like the, the Mandela effect is like a real thing when it comes to nostalgia because people have this idea that everything is better in the past and that players are playing so hard. And I didn't understand why people were saying that shit either, because when I was a kid, I knew that, yeah, all the All Stars would be there. But the most common thing, even the announcers on TV would say it. The game is not going to pick up until the fourth quarter.

[Aaron A. King]

Exactly.

[Jason Jolly]

When it's closed and when it's like, okay, now you'll see Kobe do have a one on one with somebody, they'll go through it. It'll be really hustling, diving for loose balls, that kind of thing. I mean, the first second quarter of that game was never. No, like hardcore basketball being paid.

[Weezy]

You don't want to.

[Aaron A. King]

They still sweating out the tequila.

[Mandy B]

I mean, I will say to me, the structure of this year felt tone deaf.

[Weezy]

Yeah, it's crazy.

[Mandy B]

Like us versus the world when literally we're all in right now with ice and pushing immigrants out. Like, to me it really felt tone deaf to set it up that way. And so really interesting because you sent me a clip of who was the guy and what was the solution.

[Jason Jolly]

So Nick Wright was doing his podcast with Bill Simmons and like they were talking about how to fix All Star Weekend. I actually talked about this on CNN.

[Weezy]

Yesterday, but it Subtle flex a little bit.

[Aaron A. King]

A little bit fresh off the plane too, I think.

[Jason Jolly]

Fresh off the plane. So Nick Wright idea was basically like, oh, okay, let's. We should just have black guys versus white guys. Let's just go do the full thing. We're gonna do all this. Let's just have white players versus black players and see what we can get out of this. See if we can get some, some players to play harder. See if we can get people to have pride in the whole thing.

[Mandy B]

Thing.

[Jason Jolly]

And so some of it was like tongue and cheek. Like my thing was like, so this is like the NBA All Star game sponsored by Jim Crow. Like that's what we're doing like we're going to have like the three fifths point contest.

[Mandy B]

Oh, I'm not going to lie, you know, immediately. Yes. I'm leaning into it as a biracial. I was wondering if how they were going to split some of the guys up. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Jason Jolly]

Because there's a lot of them. Yeah, there's a lot of them guys where it's like, what do you got.

[Aaron A. King]

To take a questionnaire after they switch at halftime.

[Mandy B]

And some of them are white pasta.

[Weezy]

Like, do you like. Do you like sweet potato pie or pumpkin pie?

[Jason Jolly]

Yeah, yeah.

[Mandy B]

So you're saying I would be on the white team.

[Jason Jolly]

Yeah.

[Aaron A. King]

That's what you like.

[Mandy B]

I will pour myself.

[Weezy]

I prefer to yell.

[Jason Jolly]

I was like, you'll poke the pie truther, right?

[Mandy B]

Yes.

[Jason Jolly]

Yeah.

[Weezy]

Okay.

[Jason Jolly]

So.

[Aaron A. King]

Yeah. So you on that side.

[Mandy B]

Yeah. You beat Coach Jersey Coach. I'm not going to be with the white spread. Y' all not gonna do this to me on black history.

[Aaron A. King]

Listen to that. Coldplay and get yourself a warm up on.

[Weezy]

Yo, what would they be playing in the locker room?

[Mandy B]

I'm not playing.

[Jason Jolly]

Right.

[Mandy B]

Well, I do want to ask y' all then realistically.

[Weezy]

Yeah.

[Mandy B]

Is there a saving of NBA All Star Weekend? And what do you think needs to happen? What's the solution?

[Weezy]

Don't do the dunk contest for a year. The issue with the dunk contest. I thought about it. You know what the issue is? All these niggas shoot threes all day.

[Jason Jolly]

Yeah.

[Weezy]

That's all a part two like that. So if you remove it and create a demand for it. Right. These kids that come out of college. Yeah.

[Aaron A. King]

I mean, they did that. That's how empty that Carter brought it.

[Weezy]

Back in the NBA.

[Jason Jolly]

Like, yo, we gotta.

[Mandy B]

Yeah, yeah.

[Weezy]

Yeah. You create the demand by removing it completely. Just for a year.

[Mandy B]

Yeah. Because right now we're in a space where the last four years have been.

[Jason Jolly]

So it's desperate and sad.

[Mandy B]

But the fact all day, the fact that you have to go to the G League.

[Jason Jolly]

Yeah.

[Weezy]

These guys don't want to risk the.

[Mandy B]

The getting hurt.

[Weezy]

Right?

[Mandy B]

Yep. Yeah.

[Weezy]

Even in the game they don't.

[Aaron A. King]

Or losing. It's kind of like rap battling. Like, you know, some if you sign, you don't want to battle. You don't do no battle rap. Like you're gonna catch that. L like. Right. That's what, that's what I think they should make it first. Like either. Either the A king's point. Either like let it sit for a couple years like they did back in the day when Vince Carter brought it back, right? Or just make it first if it's gonna be beat bench dudes make it first because like the three point contest, it was all. It was All Stars and starters.

[Jason Jolly]

Like, well, that's the part I don't understand. Like, like the three point contest. No, no trouble at all finding, like.

[Mandy B]

Well, Damien and Damien.

[Jason Jolly]

Yeah, like, easy.

[Mandy B]

Yeah. That made a three. I said, oh, no, he's a shooter. I said, wait. Then he brought the ball up the court. I said, this is crazy.

[Jason Jolly]

Yeah.

[Mandy B]

No point guard shooting three is the.

[Jason Jolly]

He's going to be. He's the future of the league.

[Weezy]

Like, he's.

[Jason Jolly]

It's going to be bad when he got a brother.

[Mandy B]

He listen, he don't like nothing country, same trouble. I was like, and he looks like his body is just so long as taller.

[Jason Jolly]

That boy was out n. He's one of them. He's one of them.

[Mandy B]

And then. I'm sorry, I'm going to say it. You know how they tell us podcasters, everybody, don't need a microphone. Keep that away from Anthony Edwards. Keep.

[Weezy]

Yeah, he.

[Jason Jolly]

He's one that can't. He can't hop on a podcast train until after he retires.

[Mandy B]

No, no, no, he needs media training.

[Jason Jolly]

He'll take his platform.

[Aaron A. King]

He needs media training just for like the, like the safe way. But like, it's tough. It's like, I feel for athletes, man, when that microphone just gets in front of their face and they ask like the deepest question in 30 seconds, like.

[Mandy B]

Anthony Edwards, how do you feel about.

[Aaron A. King]

The killing in Minnesota?

[Jason Jolly]

Whatever, whatever.

[Aaron A. King]

And he's just like sweating, just fiddicky.

[Mandy B]

I wanted to go there real quick because by the way, when we say the All Star weekend is dead, I believe it to be so. Because everyone one day after is talking about KD's leaked messages from this Burner account. So to me, even the conversations that normally last a week, the way we could come in here and still talk about that super bowl halftime performance one day later, All Star Weekend is like, eh. But everyone's talking about this Katie Burner account.

[Vic Mensa]

Yep.

[Mandy B]

Everyone's talking about the fact that LeBron sat in oppressor and kind of aligned himself with wanting to and. And siding with whatever, however you want to put it with.

[Jason Jolly]

Israel, big them up.

[Mandy B]

So you have that.

[Aaron A. King]

He bigged him up.

[Mandy B]

Israel. You have people dissecting the fact that. What's my guy? What's my guy? Who made highest to lowest?

[Jason Jolly]

Oh, Spike, Spike.

[Mandy B]

You had people dissecting the fact that he chose to wear a full Free Palestine outfit when there was the first time Israeli all star on the court.

[Weezy]

Yeah.

[Mandy B]

And then you also have people still asking Kyrie Irving about his choice and decision to support or post or promote, however you want to word it, the movie back in the day.

[Jason Jolly]

Right.

[Mandy B]

And so, wow, here we go. Fuck entertainment. The very next day after All Star. Now it's all the political jargon of where we line. I don't want to hear these journalists ask these athletes these questions. I just don't think because what people are saying now is how damn not my goat, not my idol, damn not him being a loser. We still don't have the discourse or the emotional intelligence to allow someone to say something that differs from our opinion without it becoming so I hate this person. I can no longer support this person. And so unfortunately, when it comes to our celebrities, our all stars, our athletes, our goats, I would prefer us just to keep the political jargon out, especially in oppressor following All Star Weekend.

[Jason Jolly]

When it comes to LeBron, I feel like he, he stepped on a bunch of landmines that he didn't even have to step on.

[Mandy B]

Nah, he didn't.

[Weezy]

Right?

[Jason Jolly]

Like the woman asked him a question about the player.

[Mandy B]

Do we want, do we have the clip? Yeah, I have it in my phone, but could you pull it up real quick too? Just so that we're not. Because it was interesting because when we came in immediately we also were like, wait, what was the question to even start that. And if you just go to X and type in Lebron James, boy, are they dragging him so you could find the clip. Easy there.

[Jason Jolly]

I saw somebody post. I saw somebody pose and she was.

[Aaron A. King]

From a Israel out.

[Mandy B]

She was from an Israeli Channel 14. Yeah.

[Jason Jolly]

Then he made a meme of Lebron wearing like a Israel warm up suit with the star David on it was him and KD actually both had on star David warm up tracksuits.

[Mandy B]

Here's the, here's the.

[Weezy]

Here it goes.

[Mandy B]

Le from Town 14 in Israel. For all the Israeli fans, what message would you like to send for Israel? And also what do you think about Danny aia?

[Vic Mensa]

Well, I've been quoted on, on Danny already and they asked me did I thought what I thought about this season. I said, I believe he was an all star. And right there, I mean he is an all star. He's playing, you know, exceptional, you know, basketball. So that's that. And then I mean if, if I have fans over there, I've never been there. If I have fans over there there, then, you know, I hope you been following my career. I hope I inspire people over there to not only want to be great in sports, but I want you to be better in. In general, in life. So right there, hopefully someday I can make it over there. Like I said, I've never been over there, but I've heard nothing but great things and appreciate the question.

[Mandy B]

Thank you. This is where. And we know. But.

[Aaron A. King]

But the fuller answer was not as.

[Mandy B]

Bad as, no, but it's the last part of.

[Aaron A. King]

Sure. But that last part is getting clipped.

[Mandy B]

They're literally committing a genocide.

[Aaron A. King]

Right.

[Mandy B]

Right now.

[Jason Jolly]

What great things did you hear?

[Mandy B]

There's no way you aren't aware that they have been killing women and children and an entire. They've almost wiped Palestine off the goddamn black, brown people.

[Jason Jolly]

Black and brown people.

[Mandy B]

Like, why? Like, that's not what you say. Because that's.

[Aaron A. King]

I agree. The two parts where you said, he should have stopped, he should have stopped.

[Jason Jolly]

It was easy to stop.

[Mandy B]

It was easy to stop.

[Jason Jolly]

It was just like the whole, like, if I had fans there and I inspire y' all to be better. Okay, fine. He was walking up to the line, though, like, with that part right there, it wasn't bad, but he was like. You could see he was walking up to a point where he wanted to say, I love y' all so much, and this is all. And it was like.

[Aaron A. King]

I think. I think the challenge is also too, like, he's. Because of who he is, he's almost kind of speaking for the league when he answers. Right. And then it's an Israeli reporter who's answering it.

[Mandy B]

And.

[Aaron A. King]

And I feel like he was kind of thinking as he was answering it, to Mandy's point, like, I think those parts where he should have stopped is right when he was thinking about how to stop.

[Mandy B]

Yeah.

[Aaron A. King]

And it got away from him. That's what it feels like. Obviously, I don't know, like, what his intentions were, but it felt like it got away with him before. That's what he actually wanted to say.

[Mandy B]

What he should do is also create a burner account. And if he's in support of fucking Israel, put that shit on the burner account. Don't bring it it to oppressor. And I do also just hate that it was asked, like, y' all know the guy.

[Aaron A. King]

That's a tough question to be asked.

[Weezy]

I'm gonna use your husband's verbiage. The intersectionality of sports and politics has always been there.

[Aaron A. King]

I mean, always shout out to Ali.

[Weezy]

He says, you know, fuck the war in Vietnam, whatever. Right, Right. I think if this is what? LeBron, if this is how he really feels, we just have to give him grace. Oh, God. Because that's. No, I'm just saying in terms of if this is who he is, maybe we just have to accept it.

[Aaron A. King]

Shout out to Scoop Jackson.

[Weezy]

Right.

[Aaron A. King]

They got a book, the Power to Protest and Politics of American Sports.

[Mandy B]

Oh, wow.

[Aaron A. King]

The game is not a game. It's always intertwined in a sense.

[Weezy]

And Jason, how much of our affiliations, even in what we do professionally, individually, contributes to these narratives? Right. His affiliations may have contributed to his.

[Mandy B]

I mean, that's what we see happening with Floyd Mayweather right now.

[Weezy]

Oh, he clearly.

[Jason Jolly]

Floyd went all the way there.

[Aaron A. King]

Yeah.

[Weezy]

When you're in bed.

[Mandy B]

Yeah.

[Aaron A. King]

He's.

[Weezy]

You can't go against your interest.

[Mandy B]

I don't know if he's.

[Aaron A. King]

But you know what's so funny about that? A king, too. It's like, remember when Daryl Morey said the comment about China, when it was like, China and Taiwan and they were out there balling fallen and Daryl Morey, who's the general manager of the Sixers now, but then he was the shoot some rockets, he said this comment and it put the team, you know, in danger. And LeBron was. Was pissed at that. Right. Like, and it's, it's, it's just strange that, like, LeBron knew, like, the geopolitics of that moment, but this one, he kind of didn't. But again, but it's also. It's a tough situation. You're being asked by an Israeli, like, reporter, you want to be nice of them for asking you. Probably not the right place to ask. But then again, sports and culture intertwined like it was. It was tough and he got 85% of it.

[Mandy B]

Right.

[Jason Jolly]

Well, I mean, it's, it's. It lends his answer in that presser lends credence to the fact that, like, when he, when we see him reading these books, that he ain't really reading these books.

[Mandy B]

Well, we already know that he never leaves the f. The first page.

[Jason Jolly]

So, like, all he's doing is just giving us more. More proof that, like, you don't. You didn't read that Malcolm X biography.

[Weezy]

My.

[Jason Jolly]

Like, you. You didn't see what they be talking about, cuz, like, why are you going down this path?

[Mandy B]

Have.

[Jason Jolly]

But, you know, I mean, he found himself in several international incidents now over the past few years, and you. You would think that he would know how to navigate these things a little bit better. However, again, I'm gonna shoot him. Shoot him some bail. Some bum bail like, these are pretty much like the worst things we can say about LeBron James behavior through his career is some of these geopolitical things that he doesn't handle well, speaking about countries and things that might be sensitive subjects. Like, this is the worst of his.

[Aaron A. King]

Public behavior across 22 years.

[Jason Jolly]

But I will say this, though, to.

[Mandy B]

Be fair, ain't bad.

[Jason Jolly]

I mean, no, it could be a lot worse. I mean, now, those Martin Luther King shoes were pretty egregious. That was an egregious, like, damn, bro, how you let this one slide? But again, like, this is the worst of it.

[Mandy B]

Like, like, I mean, unfortunately, if, if they live a long enough life, we get to see all of our goats fail as human beings.

[Jason Jolly]

You die being a hero or live.

[Mandy B]

Long enough to see yourself become a villain. I don't. We're not going to talk much about it because the Internet is ablaze right now. But do y' all see Michael Jordan touching that little boy's.

[Jason Jolly]

Yo, I'm about to drop that in the group chat. That shit was, was crazy.

[Mandy B]

This, it's not.

[Weezy]

Okay, so, all right, so you know, as every day AI gets 100, the usage of AI gets better. Yeah, I had to.

[Mandy B]

Really, because this is the crazy thing too. Look, would it be your goat?

[Weezy]

No, he ain't my goat. It's just that in 2026 that you can't. How is this even a like, so I, I, so I, you know me, I, I just zoom.

[Jason Jolly]

I was like, nah, nah, I'm looking.

[Weezy]

For like, you were like, gro.

[Jason Jolly]

Where is it distorted?

[Weezy]

Where is the distorted?

[Mandy B]

Yeah.

[Weezy]

Yeah, he did it so many times. And then the little boy looked back.

[Jason Jolly]

Like, yo, like, yo, my.

[Weezy]

And you know what's so crazy? You know, the optics is everything. Yeah.

[Mandy B]

It's a white kid bro on top.

[Weezy]

Of that dude, and it's him. And it's like, is this a humiliation ritual now? He gonna go down this rabbit hole of his, tear down.

[Mandy B]

But let's.

[Weezy]

Or is it gonna be any outrage about it too?

[Aaron A. King]

That was like Michael Jackson in no time.

[Mandy B]

Time in no decade. None was that an appropriate interaction between a grown ass. Mind you, we already have all of these grown men coming out talking about their sexual assaults and how it impacted them. This is some like, bro, what are you doing?

[Jason Jolly]

And this is going to live on the Internet forever.

[Weezy]

He plucked his tukas.

[Mandy B]

He.

[Jason Jolly]

Multiple times. I'm like, yo, stop doing that.

[Weezy]

I ain't going to lie ignorant at first on the thumbnail. And then, and then you see the title or whatever. I'M like, oh, the little kid was playing basketball. You padded. That's what I'm thinking. Oh, good job.

[Jason Jolly]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Aaron A. King]

Michael's getting at that.

[Mandy B]

Yeah, yeah.

[Jason Jolly]

Like, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Mandy B]

I'm like, what are you doing? I ain't gonna hold you. The way it's going around the Internet, I wouldn't be surprised if the parents are sexual assault parents, like, because now it becomes embarrassment, right?

[Weezy]

Oh, no.

[Mandy B]

For the. Like, what's happening here?

[Weezy]

You gave the magas the perfect extra distraction because now they gonna square on him like, yo, look at this egregious behavior by the NBA goat.

[Mandy B]

You already ready. Both parties can go after him because he's someone who remained quiet and not. He didn't neutral.

[Jason Jolly]

Neutral as he could be.

[Weezy]

Yeah.

[Mandy B]

That is the most neutral mother. Like, one of the most neutral all star players of our generation.

[Weezy]

Non political ass.

[Mandy B]

Now, everybody coming for that ass, but.

[Weezy]

Also everybody coming for us too. You know why? We gonna still buy them Jordans when they drop. We gonna still drop. So where's. Where's the hypocrisy now?

[Mandy B]

It depends the colorway.

[Weezy]

Wow.

[Jason Jolly]

I'm not gonna hold you.

[Weezy]

I'm looking at everybody feets in here right now, you know? Let me see your feet. What you got on over there?

[Mandy B]

Good.

[Aaron A. King]

She's clear.

[Jason Jolly]

Everybody. Everybody got Air Max. We got Chanel, everybody.

[Mandy B]

What you wearing over there?

[Weezy]

You got on over there, bro?

[Aaron A. King]

I got. I definitely got J's on one out of five. I got some fours.

[Mandy B]

I got some fours on. What you doing with your Jordans now?

[Aaron A. King]

Yeah, make sure. I'm gonna make sure they clean. Mike did that, not me. Mike was just missing a fistful of dollars.

[Mandy B]

That was the.

[Jason Jolly]

Yo, I'm not gonna hold you. If that little kid had turned around and been like, yo, my. Like, I would have got the path. Yeah, I gotta eat that one, bro. Like, I'm not gonna stand up.

[Mandy B]

I would have let him say it. That might be one of the. We said some ignorance this podcast.

[Weezy]

Yeah, but this is the white that.

[Mandy B]

You just gave a white kid the way to say nigga. Yeah.

[Jason Jolly]

He'S gonna get a pass for saying nigga is gonna be the white.

[Weezy]

Are you Torre too? Maybe the white Torre.

[Mandy B]

White Torre.

[Jason Jolly]

Maybe.

[Vic Mensa]

Cause if you.

[Jason Jolly]

If you turn around about, hey, my nigga, relax.

[Aaron A. King]

Like.

[Weezy]

So we still gonna buy Jordan. We still gonna stand on lines.

[Mandy B]

Jason just say he gonna make sure his are clean.

[Jason Jolly]

I don't think this is gonna last that long.

[Weezy]

Why. Why shouldn't it? Why should.

[Jason Jolly]

Well, no, it's reasons but it's like the. Because the question is, who is gonna amplify it right now? It's the thing on the Internet.

[Mandy B]

First off, all the conversation right now is little kids in those Epstein files with Hollywood ex execs and super powerful people who still have not been brought to justice. So if we are not getting the Epstein victims any sort of justice, but we have another prominent black figure now doing the same thing to a little white boy. This is actually. Oh, yeah.

[Aaron A. King]

Same thing. It's crazy.

[Mandy B]

We gonna get Jordan the fuck out here.

[Weezy]

Yeah.

[Jason Jolly]

Well, I mean, does the. The question is, does the mainstream media, sports or otherwise, do they have it to go after Michael Jordan Hart and.

[Weezy]

I don't think they do it.

[Jason Jolly]

I don't think. I don't think they do it.

[Aaron A. King]

If he was an owner still, maybe.

[Jason Jolly]

Yeah, maybe.

[Aaron A. King]

You know what I mean?

[Mandy B]

He's still one of those black men. And let's be very clear. The way that they like to humble these men, that's reached the billionaire status or that high millionaire status. And what we've also realized with this country, with the reversal of Roe v. Wade, is how much. Much they. They care about the life of a child over anything else. Or at least they're tap dancing like that. And so when they could sit here and take another black man out like they just did Diddy for the shit that he was doing, that video. Is that egregious. And we all want this Epstein file bullshit to. To. To land. They gonna see here. This is the distraction.

[Jason Jolly]

Yeah.

[Mandy B]

Y' all know how we always say they got distractions? That's what this is. This is distraction. But. Yeah.

[Jason Jolly]

Do you want to be like that?

[Aaron A. King]

I was gonna say, man, you're at 140 right now.

[Mandy B]

God damn.

[Aaron A. King]

Yeah. I was gonna say you should probably rap after that. Yeah.

[Mandy B]

Okay. Do y'.

[Aaron A. King]

All. He missed the mark about the toss to the.

[Mandy B]

I know you ain't. You see, look, see. Hey, King, you had one job. One.

[Jason Jolly]

I love telling.

[Mandy B]

They only had one job.

[Aaron A. King]

You know what you do?

[Weezy]

I was immersed in the. In the intelligence of ignorant.

[Aaron A. King]

Mandy, when you were saying the mold part about the. The dancers, that reminded me, you should do a bonus episode on the America's Next Top Model.

[Jason Jolly]

I actually want to watch that, too, because I know.

[Aaron A. King]

I think that'd be a good bonus episode.

[Mandy B]

Well, then real quick, Jason, I don't want to hold you all day, but would love to do. Then maybe we talk for the bonus episode this week. We do Yayo Ja Rule and Uncle Murder and then say our reviews on the fall off.

[Jason Jolly]

Yeah, I like that.

[Weezy]

And while we're recording, just as it just was announced. Come on.

[Mandy B]

Breaking news.

[Weezy]

J. Cole announced his toy world tour. So he touring for good. Six, seven.

[Jason Jolly]

Is he starting in Europe or he.

[Weezy]

Starting here in South Africa?

[Jason Jolly]

Okay, so he's going to drop the dates already?

[Weezy]

Yes. They had a promo video on his. On his page on YouTube where he's standing in front of his Lamborghini truck. And then he. He thinks for a minute and he goes inside the car. And then you see the. The tour dates and the. In the locations.

[Mandy B]

Okay, I like that.

[Weezy]

He's gonna be new you. Everywhere. He's gonna be everywhere.

[Mandy B]

Everywhere. First off. Okay, you know what that means. I'm about to be everywhere. What country do I wanna go to next?

[Weezy]

Yeah, he's going. He's gonna be in North America, Europe, Australia and South America. South Africa.

[Mandy B]

Okay. I love that for him. Come on, eat up. Especially with them first week sales and he's still traveling the country in his Honda Civic. Anyways. And we'll talk more about his marketing too, in the bonus episode, of course, on Fridays with Mandy B. Catch that on the feed. Full video available to you only on patreon. So that's patreon.com withmandyb. Sorry. Coffee coming up, baby. Anyways, this was a really good conversation. Hell yeah. Hope y' all enjoy the takes. Enjoy the convo. As always. You can catch us every Tuesday and every Friday. Again, make sure you subscribe to the YouTube. Make sure wherever you're listening to this. If you're hearing this on the Decisions Decisions feed, head over to the Selective Ignorance feed and hit that subscribe. Make sure you get our notifications and follow us over on Instagram at selectiveignorance pod. Also, follow me everywhere. Just search Mandy B. Goddamn. Anyway, guys, thank y' all for tuning.

[Weezy]

In the most consistent period.

[Mandy B]

Jason, can you sign us out with that closing? Because I ain't got to pulled up.

[Aaron A. King]

Oh, hold on. Let's see here. I got it here.

[Mandy B]

Another episode of Selective Ignorance.

[Aaron A. King]

Oh, oh, hold on. Boom, boom, boom. Let's see here.

[Mandy B]

Where controversy thrives.

[Aaron A. King]

Where curiosity lives, controversy thrives.

[Mandy B]

And conversations. Math. All right, see guys on Friday and next week. Bye. Selective Ignorance, a production of the Black Effect podcast network. For more podcasts from iHeartRadio, visit the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you listen to your favorite shows.

[Aaron A. King]

Thanks for tuning in to Selective Ignorance of Mandy B. Selective Ignorance is executive produced by Mandy B. And it's a full Court Media Studio production. With lead producers Jason Rodriguez, that's me, and Aaron A. King Howard. Now do us a favor and rate, subscribe, comment and share wherever you get your favorite podcast. And be sure to follow Selective Ignorance on Instagram at Selective Underscore Ignorant. And of course, if you're not following our host, Mandy B. Make sure you're following her at Fullcourt Pumps. Now, if you want the full video experience of Selective Ignorance, make sure you subscribe to the Patreon it's patreon.com backslash selective ignorance.

[Mandy B]

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