Selective Ignorance: Ep. 61 | Adulting, Alleged Kinks & Akon's Science

Summary

Podcast Summary: Decisions, Decisions – Ep. 61

“Selective Ignorance: Adulting, Alleged Kinks & Akon's Science”

Date: April 28, 2026
Hosts: Mandii B, WeezyWTF, Jamila, Jason Rodriguez, Antoinette

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Episode Overview

This lively episode of Decisions, Decisions (Selective Ignorance) dives into “grown folks’ business” with a hilarious and sharp group of cohosts, covering taboo topics at the intersection of sex, technology, race, work, and relationships. From AI Jesus to the future of work, spicy conversations about celebrity kinks, and deep dives on adulting and taxes, the hosts blend humor and vulnerability to challenge traditional narratives about love, labor, and culture.

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Key Topics & Insights

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1. AI & “Jesus AI” (28:18–36:59)

• AI Jesus App: The hosts discuss the emergence of an app (AI Jesus) that allows users to talk to a Jesus avatar for $1.99/minute.
  • Critique: The group is divided—Jamila calls it “demented” (29:43) and “evil,” arguing it's predatory and capitalizes on vulnerable, lonely people, while Mandii sees it as part of capitalism: “If they're willing to pay, someone will offer it.” (30:38)
  • Notable Quote: Jamila: “You are demented in your brain if you need to talk to Jesus AI when you can talk to that nigga for free.” (29:43)
  • Privacy Concerns: Jason expands on the ethical concerns: people confess deep, personal issues to the bot, which might not be confidential. “What happens when Putin hacks your system... now that AI is... being sent to people?” (33:40)
  • Insight: The hosts agree that AI is being overused as an authority, yet the actual technology is just regurgitating what humans say and is not a “source.”

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2. The Future of Work: “Death of the Nine-to-Five” (39:31–56:33)

• Topic: They parse recent predictions by Reid Hoffman (LinkedIn founder) that traditional 9-to-5 jobs will be obsolete by 2034, with automation and AI creating a permanent gig economy.
  • Key Points:
    • The hosts are skeptical; Mandii questions the call for mass entrepreneurship: “Not everybody can be an entrepreneur. Somebody has to work the business.” (55:54)
    • Jamila calls it “propaganda to push more capitalism forward,” exploiting the myth that everyone can or should own a business.
    • Lack of Benefits: Mandii highlights gig work’s precariousness, especially for healthcare and taxes: “When you’re sick, you can’t work, you don’t get paid.” (46:15)
    • Notable Quote: Jason: “The American nightmare.” (41:51)
    • Taxes & Adulting: Heated debate about how hard/broken the tax system is, especially for lower-income people. Jamila highlights the cycle of poverty and how costly it is to be poor. “It's expensive to be poor.” (56:33)

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3. Selective Ignorance, Ignorance Economics & Responsibility (57:13–69:42)

• Deep Talk: The hosts challenge each other on empathy and responsibility. Is ignorance about financial systems an individual failing, a collective systemic trap, or both?
  • Jamila and Mandii spar on whether disregarding taxes is “selective ignorance” or simply survival amid oppression.
  • Notable Quote, Jamila: “It’s a system set up to keep you right there. That is the purpose.”
  • Endnote: Ultimately, the crew agrees the system is unfair and changing rapidly.

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4. Modern Relationships, Kink & Disclosure (73:07–87:51)

• Kristi Noem’s Husband & Kink Disclosures:
  • Story: They discuss Kristi Noem’s husband (“Crystal Balls 666”) and his long-term relationship with a dominatrix, plus alleged cross-dressing and kinks.
  • Nuance: The hosts explore how public revelations of kinks—some considered “respectable,” others more “out there”—challenge partner dynamics.
  • Jamila (Kink Boundary): “My rule: no children, no animals, no corpses. That’s it.” (76:11)
  • Jamila admits to being a “kink shamer” about certain practices (egg-laying, “sounding”), while Mandii shares her personal arsenal (“Calamari Cock and Jurassic Prick”).
  • Core Question: How much kink is too much? Is there a threshold where a partner’s preferences are incompatible?
    • Jamila: “I don’t think it’s fair to drop shit on somebody 20 years later and expect them to be like, yeah, this is so okay.” (86:15)
  • Double Standards: They touch on queerphobia, especially in conservative circles—specifically, politicians whose private behaviors contradict public rhetoric.

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5. DL Whisperer Controversy & Black Homophobia (88:07–100:09)

• Context: The “DL Whisperer” (Naquan Palmer) called out Black men, claiming to “expose” them, leading to doxxing, stalking, and criminal charges.
  • Hosts’ Critique: The hosts see this as rage-baiting, exploitative, and deeply harmful, especially for perpetuating homophobia among Black women.
  • Jamila: “You scared that every nigga you talk to is gay is homophobic.” (91:32)
  • They cite the real danger—lack of safe spaces for Black men and misplaced anxieties about sexuality that drive division.
  • Notable Quote: Jason: “Unprotected patriarchy will give you the STD of misogyny, homophobia—all this shit flares up...” (101:00)
  • They warn about the alt-right pipeline, noting parallels between this kind of grifting and broader conservative, grievance-based politics.

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6. Akon’s “Science” on Gender, Commitment & Fatherhood (102:12–119:44)

• Akon’s Interview: Two viral clips are discussed:
  1. Akon claims fathers shouldn’t do “home” stuff (recitals, nurturing)—that’s the mother’s job. “That’s a white man’s thing.” (103:38)
  2. Akon says commitment and monogamy are unnatural for men.
• Strong Rebuttal:
  • Jason (father): “If you want to be the person who’s going to discipline, how can you discipline without context?” (107:32)
  • Jamila: “You don't know science, nigga”—refuting Akon's “natural” arguments with lived reality.
• Double Standards & Misogyny:
  • The group notes that women often permit, or at least accept, multi-partner arrangements, but men rarely reciprocate that tolerance.
  • Mandii: “Women are okay sharing a nigga. Many of you are dating married men who have women at home.” (116:10)
  • Patriarchy’s Damage: They link Akon’s perspective to the broader societal issues around gender roles and unequal standards, emphasizing that the problem isn’t “nature,” but tradition and selfishness.
    • Quote: Jason: “Tradition is going to kill everybody.” (119:11)

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Notable Quotes & Timestamps

• Jamila (on Jesus AI): “You are demented in your brain if you need to talk to Jesus AI when you can talk to that nigga for free.” (29:43)
• Jason Rodriguez (Taxes): “The American nightmare.” (41:51)
• Jamila (On Poverty): “It's expensive to be poor.” (56:33)
• Mandy B (On Kink): “My rule with kinks: no children, no animals, no corpses.” (76:11)
• Jason Rodriguez (About Akon): “If you want to be the person who's going to discipline, how can you discipline without context?” (107:32)
• Jason: “Tradition is going to kill everybody.” (119:11)
• Jason (On Unprotected Patriarchy): “It will give you the STD of misogyny, homophobia, all this shit flares up...” (101:00)

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Segment Timestamps

• 28:18–36:59: AI Jesus app & ethics
• 39:31–56:33: Prediction: 9-to-5s dying, gig economy challenges, taxes & adulting
• 57:13–69:42: Selective ignorance, individual vs system, struggles of adulting
• 73:07–87:51: Celebrity sex/kink scandals, compatibility, kink boundaries
• 88:07–100:09: DL Whisperer, Black homophobia, online grifting
• 102:12–119:44: Akon’s interviews, gender roles, relationship dynamics, tradition vs reality

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Memorable Moments

• The hilarious riff on what Black people order at Chinese take-out (25:01–26:58)
• Discovery that “egg-laying kink” exists, which traumatizes Jamila (78:27–79:09)
• “Calamari Cock and Jurassic Prick” become inside jokes about Mandii’s toy collection (80:25)
• Jamila taking a strong stance on not tolerating certain “surprise” kinks late in a relationship: “You can piss on yourself.” (86:03)
• Spirited defense and empathy for poor/working-class adults dealing with taxes, with both personal stories and sharp disagreement (all throughout 56:33–69:42)

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Overall Tone & Style

The conversation is raw, funny, unapologetic, and deeply real—balancing informative debate with joke-laced storytelling. The crew calls out societal hypocrisy, confronts respected cultural myths (“men can’t commit,” “Black men are all on the DL,” “being poor is a result of bad decisions”), and offers both laughter and hard truths.

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For listeners who haven’t tuned in:
This episode is a perfect example of what makes Decisions, Decisions unique—the intersection of pop culture, sexuality, racial politics, and real-life adulting struggles, all approached with empathy, wit, and a refusal to play nice with tradition or taboo.

Transcript

[Jamila]

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[Mandy B]

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[Antoinette]

God have mercy upon us, baby.

[Mandy B]

What would you ask of Jesus and how much are they charging? We'll let you know. Also, in terms of AI, there was a prediction made by the founder of LinkedIn who actually believes that nine to five jobs will soon be obsolete. I want to know your thoughts on that. And there are other predictions that he has made that have come to light. So we're going to get into that then just to have a little bit of fun, a little bit of sex. We're talking Kristy gnomes.

[Antoinette]

Husband said we was gonna have a

[Jason]

little bit of sex with pleasure,

[Mandy B]

Y' all the way. Immediately, they all just broke monologue like, whoa, you talk about sex.

[Antoinette]

Wanted to make sure Jason like, ah, I'm virtual.

[Jason Rodriguez]

I was like, what am I coming back into right here?

[Mandy B]

Here we go. We're talking sexuality, where we finally get to discuss our thoughts on Kristi Noem's husband, who had an alternative lifestyle outside of his marriage. You are gay. That has come to the public. Not sure if we're going to get there. I'm not sure if y' all are aware, but there was a man recently jailed due to his arrest for T.S. madison. He went by the name the DL Whisperer, and he is now asking for a petition for his safety as he is fighting for his life in jail for hate crimes. Jamila got her face made up, and I cannot wait because I knew you knew about it, girl. And then in Celebrities say the Darnest Things, the celebrity who has said the darnest things in the last two weeks is none other than Akon and. And, baby, he just said a lot of dumb shit. Shut up. Bro. But a lot of shit that I think would cause us as people of different genders to agree to disagree, possibly. We're gonna get into all the things. But before we do, let me introduce. Baby, we got a whole roster in the building. Today, of course, I am joined by my super producers.

[Jason Rodriguez]

Gang. Gang.

[Mandy B]

Gang. With an S. With an S, y'. All. We got journalism, Jason, in the motherfucking building all the way up in Jersey. What it do?

[Jason Rodriguez]

What's happening? What's happening? New York. And Jason, I'm gonna start saying, okay, New York adjacent.

[Mandy B]

But as y' all know, we've been doing some different things with recordings we've been recording on Mondays. And my good journalist Jason is also the executive producer of over for Mero mornings with Mero Hot 97. And somehow we found out that we're going to be able to get him on Mondays. So him with. Wait a second. Can I get one of those?

[Jamila]

Honestly, I heard that.

[Jason Rodriguez]

I got you. I got you. These are limited.

[Mandy B]

It says Merrell card instead of Metro card.

[Jason]

Use the hell out of branding.

[Antoinette]

Make that a brand. Hey, make that. Make that a couple, J.

[Mandy B]

Hey.

[Jana Kramer]

Hey.

[Mandy B]

Can we get some of those? For real? For real.

[Jason]

Yeah.

[Mandy B]

You missed it.

[Jason Rodriguez]

We just delimited. I usually only give them the New Yorkers, but you my partner.

[Antoinette]

Oh, so I qualify.

[Mandy B]

Guess what? We do it first off, I qualify. I lived there for 13 years. I qualify as a New Yorker.

[Antoinette]

You're a transaction.

[Jason]

I had a conversation with one of our mutual friends about a week ago about that topic about you. And they was like, nah, I know her.

[Mandy B]

Who the fuck was it?

[Jason]

Mecca.

[Mandy B]

Oh, shit. Wait. Said I wasn't a New Yorker.

[Jason]

Mecca was like. I was. Cause I said, it's funny how Mandy had. He thought that I moved up to New York. And he was like, you down there? I was like, yeah. He said, oh, Mandy is down there, too. I was like, yeah. She's like, oh, I know Mandy from being a New Yorker. And I was like, it's funny how Mandy. Hold on.

[Jason Rodriguez]

Look at that.

[Jason]

I said, it's funny how Mandy was.

[Mandy B]

Did he say New York or from

[Jason Rodriguez]

being in New York?

[Jason]

No. So that's. I said, it's funny how Mandy was able to just become a New Yorker. He said, wait, let me clarify. I know her from being in the boroughs, not of the Burrows. Mech. Mech and Sean.

[Antoinette]

Yeah, Mech and Sean.

[Mandy B]

Love is crazy.

[Jason]

You said you're in the boroughs, but not of Burrows.

[Mandy B]

Let's be very clear. I get respected worldwide as a fucking New Yorker.

[Jason Rodriguez]

You get respect worldwide.

[Jamila]

That's why.

[Mandy B]

You know what's crazy? You know. You know what's crazy? To be honest with you, I don't even like accents. I speak like Mandy B. That's. You speak like a Florida woman.

[Antoinette]

You. You do have New York aggression.

[Jason Rodriguez]

You do speak like a Florida woman.

[Jason]

Florida woman who spent time in New York.

[Mandy B]

Oh, that's where you don't do me. Oh, you see? Why would I claim Florida now?

[Jason]

It can nobody in prison talking about putting in a cove in.

[Mandy B]

In this political landscape, you think I'm going to walk around saying I'm from Florida?

[Jamila]

Florida woman.

[Antoinette]

You have.

[Jason Rodriguez]

You have it tattooed on.

[Antoinette]

Let me see.

[Mandy B]

Absolutely not. You said what?

[Antoinette]

Let me see you down.

[Jason Rodriguez]

I said you have it tattooed on you. What are you talking about?

[Mandy B]

Yeah, but it's covered up anyway.

[Antoinette]

When you about to fight, how you. What's your.

[Jason]

That tells it all?

[Antoinette]

Or do you look like this?

[Mandy B]

I want y' all to know right now. And we can start it off this way. I absolutely am calling the cops on you to go to jail. I'm not fighting y' all niggas. Cause I make enough money that y' all don't get to sue me for defending myself. So I am not a fighter no more. I am. Those days are behind you.

[Jason]

Retired from that.

[Mandy B]

And so security will come and I will be calling the cops and pressing charges. Y' all. Not Gucci banning me. I'm telling on you. And I'm going to court and snitching now.

[Jamila]

I thought you wanted us to stop bringing up white mama. It was a clear.

[Mandy B]

Let me clear. Let me be very clear with you.

[Antoinette]

Why you gotta do that?

[Mandy B]

The idea of living by street code, baby. I don't even fuck street niggas. Okay? We're not. All of my guys make money legally. We also have OG Pod Legend, a king in the building. What it do A king.

[Jason]

I'm so.

[Antoinette]

I'm glad that Jamila's here today, because I'm not. I don't have a camera on me. So it's. I can talk wild and go off.

[Mandy B]

And he does that because he knows that he doesn't get, like. So when we have these conversations and he's off camera, unfortunately, his takes don't get to make the clip. Because we can't just be having a voice. You know what I mean?

[Jamila]

The empty void.

[Mandy B]

So this is when he gets the most ignorant. When he's not on camera, of course. You know, and then, y'. All. We also got King of Headlines, Jason

[Jason]

J. Lee, Pod Blessing all the yap niggas.

[Mandy B]

I'm just mad that you out here having conversations about my New York, you know, footing.

[Jason]

Mech brought it up.

[Mandy B]

It's a little crazy.

[Jason]

Mech brought it up. I just thought it was interesting.

[Antoinette]

I'm super offended. Yo, Jason, check this fly shit out. This one over here is from Orlando claiming the Bronx, right? This last episode, she throwed up the X. Jai was dressed like he was from motherfucking Saratoga with all this polo and talking about Atlanta run the polo

[Jason]

culture, yes, but slander in the Knicks.

[Antoinette]

She's a Boston Celtics fan.

[Jason]

They're not.

[Antoinette]

None of these people are qualified to have nothing to say about New York, bro. Absolutely nothing.

[Mandy B]

To be fair, I do also go. Orlando Magic is still.

[Antoinette]

No, it ain't. No, it ain't.

[Mandy B]

However, their front office for years have pissed me off to where I have

[Jason]

decided rightfully, rightfully so.

[Mandy B]

And it's not even their players, bro. That front office is, like, so disgusting. Like, y'. All. I'm not gonna go through the mental turmoil that Knicks fans have gone through for years. I refuse to put myself through that.

[Antoinette]

The Knicks.

[Mandy B]

No, no, no. I'm not talking about. Hold on. I'm not talking about the front office.

[Jason]

Fix your face and say dolan is out.

[Antoinette]

Why do you think the Knicks fans act the way they act? Cause they're vibrant. They love the Knicks. It's the people outside of New York that can't stand Knicks fans. Loving when they was losing, when they're winning, when whatever the vibes are. I love that we rock out. That's why when the Knicks go to play Orlando, when they go to play Atlanta, anywhere, half or 60% of this crowd are New York fans.

[Jason]

Because y' all hate New York. And y' all leave there. So y' all come to other nations. Atlanta.

[Antoinette]

N don't go to New York to watch Atlanta Hawks. Orlando Magic niggas don't come to motherfucking New York to watch Orlando Magic. Nobody does.

[Jason]

Y' all an invasive species. Yes, absolutely.

[Antoinette]

Absolutely.

[Jason]

That's what it is.

[Mandy B]

Not New Yorkers.

[Jason]

I love that.

[Antoinette]

I love that. I love that, y'.

[Jamila]

All.

[Mandy B]

And we are also joined by another Potter, a content creator, an actor, a skit. You do all the things.

[Jason]

Big hyphens. Big hyphens in the community.

[Mandy B]

Big hyphens. Director, writer, producer, skitter, comedian. All the things. Someone who got me in hot turmoil on the. We have.

[Jamila]

You got yourself.

[Mandy B]

We have the fun police back in the building. Jamila joining us.

[Antoinette]

We're gonna get you a Badge.

[Jamila]

We do have to love being the fun police. I'm also the woke police. Please. I'm always ready. I'm always ready.

[Mandy B]

No, I'm excited that we have a lot of voices today, a lot of opinions. This will be a more lighter pod this week.

[Antoinette]

Maybe.

[Jason Rodriguez]

I was serious.

[Mandy B]

No, last week we were talking about the last two weeks.

[Jason]

It was dark.

[Antoinette]

It was dark outside.

[Jason]

It's fucked up out here.

[Mandy B]

And the fact that we were all right to say we wanna be with a bear instead of a man because men are so terrible. Like, it's just been. Just been a little rough. Okay. For the male species over the last couple weeks on the Internet, it's been tough. And so I didn't really want to lean too much into.

[Antoinette]

I don't identify as man no more.

[Jason]

You transition.

[Antoinette]

Yeah, you might as well at this point.

[Jason]

You safer that way.

[Antoinette]

I'm a man bun.

[Jason]

Man bun.

[Wheezy]

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[Mandy B]

Anyone got anything ignorant or anything going on in their lives that they want to catch us up on or start us with?

[Jason]

So I witnessed something ignorant that made me feel ignorant. It wasn't my fault. It wasn't my ignorance. I felt Like, I had to absorb some ignorance, and I felt a type of way about it. So, you know, for any of y' all who are listening or watching, who know how I get down over the last four or five years.

[Mandy B]

How you get down?

[Jason]

I'm very into gun culture.

[Mandy B]

Okay, all right, Georgia boy.

[Jason]

I taught myself how to shoot. It just became important during the COVID time, and there was a lot of shit going on. It's like, you gotta protect yourself. So when I go to these ranges, normally, you know, you don't see a lot of black people a lot of times, depending on where you go. And so when you see black people in the range, there's kind of a tacit acknowledgement of one another. So I saw this sister come in the range the other day, and I was happy. I was like, good. Black woman coming here, she wanna shoot her gun. She wanna get her shit off. Cool. And so the guy behind the counter, a white man, was like, you know, have you shot here before? She was like, oh, yeah, I shoot. And he was like. You could tell he was skeptical, like, you shoot. So I was first, like, why is this white man judging his sister for wanting to come shoot her gun? How does he know what she can do or not do? Why is he acting like that? And so he says, well, you know, if you're not proficient shooter, you know, we can't let you shoot here. So she caught the attitude with him, not shoot. I had this gun for 10 years. What you gonna tell me about the boy? So he simple. Okay, well, can you do a couple function checks for me? Can you lock the slide back to the rear? Can you remove the magazine? Can you load the magazine? And that's when everything fell apart. She couldn't do none of that. Oh, my sister, she couldn't lock the slide back. She couldn't manipulate.

[Antoinette]

How were you observing this madness?

[Jason]

Yeah, from the distance from me to you. Oh, she was right there.

[Antoinette]

So was you getting your shit together?

[Jason]

I was about to leave, and she walked in.

[Antoinette]

So you had your bag? I had my bag.

[Jason]

So I'm just standing there watching the interaction now. I'm like, let me just see how this is going to play out. So I went from being proud of her coming in to, like, to being disappointed. And she let go.

[Jamila]

Why can't I help her put her gun together? This is the conversation. See, you should have been like, I got you, but I can't do it for her.

[Antoinette]

She got to have.

[Jason]

She got to be able to know how to do this.

[Jamila]

Well, I thought that was the point of the gun range. Teach me how to use my gun.

[Jason]

So what? That's what he told her. He was like, yo, so you should take a class so you can learn these basic things. I ain't got to take no class. I had this gun for whoop de whoop. You can't tell me. And I was like, damn, she one of these. I was like, she turning like this. Yeah, yeah.

[Mandy B]

All the time. Nah, Jedi. She's the one that's at the range thinking she on set it off.

[Jason]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Mandy B]

That's not how you're supposed to hold it. It's gonna go back and hit you in the goddamn face.

[Jason]

Yeah, please, like, let's not. Let's not carry ourselves like this. So then it went. Like I said. I went from proud to sad and disappointed, and I couldn't really save her. So she ended up, like, storming out, cussing the man out. And then the white man wanted to commiserate with me. Yeah, this crazy bitch. I said. I said, whoa, all lives don't matter.

[Antoinette]

All lives don't matter.

[Jason]

Whoa, whoa, player. I don't know what you think is going on here, but that's not how we gonna talk about this.

[Antoinette]

And at that moment, he knew you wasn't a Republican, right?

[Jason]

He knows that. Oh, he wasn't maga, but that's how they think. They think everybody with a. Oh, if you got a gun, you down with our conservative. Nah, nah, nah.

[Mandy B]

Okay, wait, wait, wait. Can I say something a little ignorant right now, John? Not gonna hold you.

[Jason]

Uh.

[Mandy B]

Oh, If I even saw you in sprouts with this outfit, I would think conservative, perhaps. Perhaps, you know, it's.

[Antoinette]

Wait, the nap.

[Mandy B]

I think it looks a little conservative

[Antoinette]

because the conservative young YNs, they try to fit in by wearing. By being calm.

[Mandy B]

I got the Nike Pro. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Jamila]

See what I mean?

[Mandy B]

And what's crazy is he had. Last week, he had a little khaki bucket. And I said, you look like you're going fishing. Yeah. So you saying basketball. You look like you go to Dick's Sporting Goods and have all white friends.

[Jason]

That's how I needed to be, okay? So when I.

[Wheezy]

That's why.

[Mandy B]

That's. But that's why the cracker thought he could sit there and talk about a black woman with you.

[Jason]

Oh, yeah, that wasn't gonna happen. We checked that real fast right at the door, like, hey, man, that. Oh, the literally said, yeah, this crazy. Coming here acting Whoopi.

[Jamila]

And when he wanted to add black.

[Jason]

Yeah, right. Yeah, right, right. Like, let me. Can I. Can I call her a bitch? Or I can call her a. I can maybe call her bigger.

[Mandy B]

Like, touch the boundaries.

[Jason]

Yeah.

[Mandy B]

Like, I ain't gonna hold you. I said it, too. I lived as a New Yorker, you know, throughout my entire 20s. I will say this last year, and change has been a wide awakening to the difference of whites. Because in New York, the white people, the little Brooklyn hipsters, even white people in corporate, the finance bros, there's just a different element of white up north that when I come down here, these crackers scare me.

[Jamila]

Oh, what a blessing it is to be distant from them in New York.

[Mandy B]

You don't like. Yes, they're still white racists and all that. But I will say down here, I feel like I'm back in the 60s.

[Jamila]

You are.

[Antoinette]

Hey, listen, Mandy, you gotta go to Suffolk County, Long Island.

[Mandy B]

Well, no. Well, so I don't.

[Jason]

They different out there.

[Antoinette]

No, I'm just saying. I don't need to get that. Oh, yeah, yeah.

[Mandy B]

And I've been to the Hamptons, too. I get it. Very racist. You know, the Hamptons. I too, frequent the Hamptons, you know, in the summertime. But like, coming back down here, seeing the Confederate flag, seeing the way they speak, seeing the way they look at

[Jason]

you, seeing like decals on the trucks

[Mandy B]

and all the little trucks, you know, it's crazy. So I got off the plane last weekend in Greensboro, North Carolina, and I'm getting off the flight and I hear commotion behind me. And I'm like, well, what the fuck is this? So I hear a man and a woman going back and forth, and they're like, well, excuse you. Well, no, excuse you. Well, you didn't say nothing. Well, you were in the way. And I'm just hearing this, right? And then I hear something. You're so fucking racist. You're talking to me like that. Because you're racist. And I'm like, well, this didn't sound like a black woman. I turn around, it's an Asian and a white man. And I'm like,

[Jamila]

now it makes you sneeze.

[Mandy B]

It was a little shake up. But I'm like, even in the south, immediately, even an Asian goes straight to, you're racist. Cause this is a white man. And I'm just like, this is crazy. And then I did look back. I ain't gonna hold you. She gave more Karen than he did. He didn't even look like a racist white man. He looked like.

[Antoinette]

Cause he coming from New York.

[Mandy B]

Yeah. Like, it was weird. Like, I was like, but we are in the south, and he probably is racist, so I ain't even gonna say nothing. Cause those two Asians be racist too, but they be racist to us. So, like, for sure. I was literally in my mind doing the racist gymnastics of like, okay, well, you could be racist.

[Jamila]

I don't even do all that. That's why you just. You assume first.

[Jason]

Just let it be. I'm just gonna.

[Jamila]

I already know what this. You ain't even got. I'm gonna go. I'm gonna pull my black.

[Mandy B]

You know what's crazy? No, no, but facts. But. But when I looked back and saw it was an Asian, none of my business, bitch. Oh, y' all got it.

[Jason]

Carry on.

[Mandy B]

When I tell you, I literally was like, oh, this ain't my problem. It was an Asian woman I've never seen. If y' all know my backstory, I went to jail one time only because a nail shop dispute. And y' all already know what happened there. Okay, not even gonna get into those details, but we also know what happened. And the Rodney King out in California, we know what that demographic has done to us for years. Yes, we go to their nail shops. Yes, we go to the Harris.

[Jamila]

History.

[Mandy B]

But the history between us and them.

[Jason Rodriguez]

Assorted history. Is good to hear.

[Jason]

Assorted history.

[Mandy B]

It's a long history.

[Antoinette]

You ever went to a Chinese restaurant and they assume your order before you. Like, you walk in chicken wings, French fries, but you want general soul, but you can't get that off. And then soon you had an eight dollar budget.

[Jason]

That's dirty.

[Mandy B]

I will say, if we had to rank the.

[Jason]

Oh, damn, here we go.

[Mandy B]

The meals that we know black people are gonna order at a Chinese restaurant. There's three. Yes, the fried chicken and rice.

[Antoinette]

Fried chicken and French fried, too. Yeah.

[Mandy B]

Or French fries.

[Antoinette]

General tso's, General tso, Beef and broccoli. Oh, beef and broccoli. Chicken and broccoli, too, kind of.

[Jamila]

Hold on.

[Mandy B]

And then if you in Philly, and then if you like a little Tang, you might do the orange chicken.

[Jason]

Fast, sweet and sour.

[Antoinette]

But if you're a hood. If you're a hood booger and you want to experiment, you got them like one out of every 10 orders. They'll do the egg foo young.

[Mandy B]

Like, nigga, you don't want that shit out of here.

[Antoinette]

Stop lying.

[Jamila]

Every night.

[Antoinette]

You just were tired of ordering the same thing for 10. 10 orders in a row.

[Mandy B]

Jason, what do Puerto Ricans order?

[Antoinette]

Oh, shit.

[Jason]

Chinese restaurant.

[Jason Rodriguez]

Yo, you know. You know Puerto Ricans and Queens are, like, really good at Making Chinese food. It's again, Mandy, you would know as a New Yorker, that's how it goes.

[Mandy B]

I'm not gonn, baby. I lived in Long Island City, so we had real Asians making real Asian food.

[Antoinette]

Oh, wait a minute. Doesn't even make sense, is it? No, no longer Long Island City.

[Mandy B]

Korean, Japanese, Vietnamese, like, it's their shit. Hold on.

[Antoinette]

That's their Chinatown. They have a Chinatown.

[Mandy B]

I had to go to Queensbridge projects to get Chinese food. They had all the other Asian foods, and then I had to go to the projects to get Chinese food.

[Antoinette]

Yeah, they got like, Szechuan and all

[Jason]

that fish and all that shit.

[Mandy B]

Yeah, like, it's a little different. But what. What do you. What do you normally order because you're a New York. Well, a Jersey. Jersey. Jersey.

[Antoinette]

He's more New York than you.

[Jason Rodriguez]

I appreciate it.

[Mandy B]

You know, a king.

[Jason Rodriguez]

I have something for you.

[Jason]

I got a prize for you right here. A marrow card.

[Jason Rodriguez]

Yeah, no, that's the orange chicken. I think the orange chicken is top three.

[Jamila]

Okay, okay.

[Jason Rodriguez]

I'm surprised here. It didn't make it in the top five.

[Mandy B]

I'm glad that we've gotten to a point in cultured foods that, like, we as black people also know how to say general, so. And not to some.

[Antoinette]

Oh, no, no. You know, this man over here. I would never.

[Jason Rodriguez]

Salmon talk.

[Antoinette]

There are Negroes.

[Jamila]

We are not.

[Antoinette]

Yo, I'm talking about shout out to Brownsville. There's somebody we know, so they show

[Jason]

me a dope T shirt.

[Jamila]

We know.

[Antoinette]

We know.

[Jason]

So that would be a hard ass T shirt.

[Antoinette]

You never hear somebody say General tso.

[Jason]

Yeah, it's the wildest shit.

[Antoinette]

The frequency. Don't even frequent it.

[Jason Rodriguez]

Just like. I don't believe that y'.

[Jason]

All.

[Jason Rodriguez]

You actually heard somebody say this?

[Antoinette]

Yes, sir.

[Jamila]

No way.

[Antoinette]

Shout out to the little Rugrats Brown Grill. They say it.

[Mandy B]

He taking us deep into Brooklyn. Well, all right. Well, let's get into the chaos that is the country we live in.

[Antoinette]

Don't got you slipping, though.

[Mandy B]

Not sure if y' all are familiar, and we love talking AI here. I think if y' all have listened to the last. We're on episode 61. I would say at least 25 to 30 of the episodes at some point. We've mentioned AI now a new tech company called Just Like Me has launched an AI Jesus avatar that users can talk to for $1.99 per minute now. Oh, yeah.

[Jason]

A minute. A minute per minute. Yeah, like it's 1999.

[Mandy B]

Here's the other thing here's the. And this is for us. When I say us, you know what I mean? Because the AI based the character on the actor Jonathan Roumie says that they can pray with users, speak multiple languages and remember past conversations. I do want to show you guys what of course they made him look like. So I don't even get to talk to the fine dreadhead Jesus.

[Jason]

No, he looks like Jay Shetty. He looks like Riz Ahmed.

[Mandy B]

This is the Jesus. And so it's interesting because we've been talking about AI in terms of the way mo's here it taking Joshua.

[Antoinette]

The dating.

[Mandy B]

Oh, the speed dating where people were actually dating AI avatars. Enough.

[Jason]

Yes, yes, yes.

[Mandy B]

I'm curious your thoughts on this. I know you mad at the price now. What if it was fit to cinema?

[Jamila]

I'm mad at everything. So we can start at price, I guess. You know what I mean? So first of all, because I'm confuddled, like I'm just so irritated. Actually, first of all, again, now I'm woke. Please. I actually hate AI so bad. I recognize AI is useful in some ways as tools, right? However, comma, you are demented in your brain. If you need to talk to Jesus, to AI when you can talk to that nigga for free. For free right now, just like this. Okay? That's number one. Number two, whoever made that, that is propaganda.

[Mandy B]

Oh, I'm not gonna lie.

[Jamila]

Capitalism, because you are trying. First of all, that is so predatory to these lonely ass people. We have a lonely epidemic here and then you're giving them more shit to make them more lonely and fucked up and crazy and nuts. These people are evil.

[Mandy B]

Wait, I actually don't see it as evil.

[Jamila]

Oh, brother.

[Mandy B]

I see it as. Okay, hear me out. We understand we live in a capitalistic society, right?

[Jamila]

$2aminute to talk to AIGS. This is evil.

[Mandy B]

Let me tell you where my mind went.

[Jamila]

Please.

[Mandy B]

If you see people are spending money on certain experiences, I'm not against you capitalizing it. Let me. Hear me out. I go to Dallas for my homegirl's birthday, right? I probably shouldn't have taken a shroom to go to this place. Because I was really thinking, right? So we go to this place called Wild Waters. Or not even Wild Waters Water Resort.

[Jason]

It's a water park.

[Mandy B]

No, it is a place where you go and sit in minerally charged water at different temperatures. Dog, hear me out.

[Antoinette]

Oh my God.

[Jason]

Hold on.

[Mandy B]

So we go to.

[Jamila]

What is that?

[Mandy B]

See what I mean?

[Jason]

Yeah, yeah.

[Mandy B]

So we go to this place though, and it's nothing but adults, mind you, $100 a person type shit. And it's just a whole bunch of kiddie pools set between 94 degrees and 102 degrees.

[Jamila]

What races are these people?

[Mandy B]

All types of races.

[Jamila]

Interesting.

[Mandy B]

Everything. And they literally say the different minerals that are in the water and what they do for your body to the point where we were going into different baths, and they were like, what minerals are in here? I said, bitch, this ain't nothing but water. Heat it up differently. That niggas is charging a hundred dollars for you to be at just to make it seem like you're doing something. So to me, seeing where we're going with AI, knowing that people are willing to pay for it, to literally create sentences. I have friends that use AI to text. The niggas they're dating. They can't even come up with their own thoughts.

[Jamila]

So to me, we're getting dumber.

[Jason]

The game is cooked.

[Mandy B]

And so if we're in a place where we have pastors coming out saying, y' all better give me that money, even if you can't afford food or toilet paper, and n are doing it, sit here and do it for the people that are willing to pay and spend the money.

[Jason]

So we actually talked about this on CNN a couple of weeks.

[Mandy B]

Ooh. This other flex. Go ahead.

[Jason]

And my thing about it, a. I was appalled by the minute thing. Cause I'm like, who the fuck is paying per minute?

[Antoinette]

That's 20 minutes, right?

[Mandy B]

Well, no, because Jesus is actually talking

[Antoinette]

back now, but he probably talks slow, so he's gonna extend the time.

[Jason]

But the part that kind of fucked me up was that the CEO was talking about this app. And what he was saying was basically that. But in the testing that they did early on with this app, he found that people felt beholden to this Jesus. They felt accountable to this Jesus. So, like, if they sinned, if they did something, they were actually coming and divulging dumbass niggas. Yeah, to robot Jesus. To eye Jesus. And so then it becomes. Okay. So, you know, you're getting people emotionally attached to this thing. And it's very sensitive information.

[Jamila]

It's unethical.

[Jason]

What happens when your AI sees this? Yes.

[Mandy B]

What happens when you get win, win, win, win.

[Jason]

What happens when Putin hacks your system and now crimes and all types of stuff? Or Bibi Netanyahu, when he comes and cracks this system and it starts pulling out this information about how you cheated on your taxes, how you cheated on your wife, how you. You did this crime to somebody, you did a Hit and run. You did a dui, all this type of stuff. And now that AI is that information is being sent to people. You know, child, I ain't gonna lie.

[Mandy B]

Link it, lick it. That's what you get for being a bad person.

[Jamila]

Sin.

[Mandy B]

And thinking it wasn't gonna come to light. Everything done in the dark will come to light. If you were talking to AI Jesus and talking about all these terrible things you've done, I'm not mad when it gets leaked.

[Jamila]

Like, I hope you don't think there's a confidentiality clause. This is not a therapist. This is not a priest.

[Jason Rodriguez]

Like, so can I read what the company says about it?

[Mandy B]

Yes.

[Jason Rodriguez]

So. So. So they call it a digital mentor. And by the way, they call it Jesus. AI, not AI Jesus. So, like, captain for that. That's dub.

[Mandy B]

So it's.

[Jason Rodriguez]

It's a digital mentor for understanding only. And it's adamant that it's not a replacement for faith, scripture, or clergy.

[Mandy B]

They had to put that.

[Jason Rodriguez]

And they also offer other entities, such as Santa Claus and Charlie Kirk.

[Jamila]

Oh, my God. Jump there.

[Jason]

Yeah.

[Mandy B]

Wait. Oh, I missed that.

[Jamila]

Now, see how it all. What did I say? It all comes back, don't it? It's gonna always come back. That's pretty shit.

[Jason]

Well, and here's the other part, too. So in order to build this, this system was built off of sermons from pastors, but they don't say which pastor, but slightly.

[Jamila]

We know, rightly, we know AI is not its own. It's not brain. Y' all in the brain. Look at this.

[Antoinette]

Yes, sir.

[Jason]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Jamila]

Oh, this ain't nowhere in the Bible.

[Jason]

Nowhere.

[Jamila]

This is a sin.

[Jason]

Yes, our wives are sin, but what

[Antoinette]

is in heaven is new sin.

[Jamila]

That's what I'm saying. Now we have to have a new Bible. Cause y' all is creating new bullshit. This is the shit that they be talking about.

[Antoinette]

Somebody get Onijah Robinson on the front.

[Jamila]

I don't like none of this.

[Mandy B]

This is crazy.

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[Mandy B]

want to then lean into where we're at in reality, right? So the man who built LinkedIn and saw social media coming 20 years early just made a prediction that by 2034, which is right around the corner, the traditional 9 to 5 job will be dead. This is where he says he believes replacements will happen. So Reid Hoffman isn't some online guy. That's the guy. He co founded LinkedIn and did a $26 billion exit recently. He was also an early investor in Facebook, Airbnb, and OpenAI. So he's not saying jobs will disappear overnight, but this is what he's saying. 25 to 30% of what people do daily is being replaced quietly right now. We agree with that. We see the way. Moreover, which one of y' all dropped in the group chat? Atlanta now has the thing that I saw in la, the robots that bring your food that's already here in Tyrone.

[Jamila]

And they all with. It's gonna be some nigga names.

[Jason]

It's all nigga names.

[Mandy B]

They call it Tyrone.

[Jamila]

They all have names.

[Jason]

They have names on it. They be lined up. They be lined up in front of snk.

[Antoinette]

So that means.

[Jason Rodriguez]

Wait.

[Mandy B]

That's some Atlanta shit. Because I know it's giving.

[Jason]

Sarah, I'm said Maurice, Jamal, LaFonte.

[Antoinette]

We need to find out who's programming. I want to see the person that

[Jamila]

never seen a white name on them little robots. Never. I'm like, no. Who did this? And then it be like. And it be winking and shit. I'm like, I don't like it. Like, get out my way.

[Mandy B]

Yes.

[Jason]

Well, did you see the video of the old boy cussing one of them joints out? Cause it needed him to press the crosswalk button.

[Antoinette]

Yeah, show that.

[Mandy B]

Yeah.

[Jason]

And he was like, no, fuck you. I'm not pressing that shit. You smart. You do this shit your goddamn self. He cuts this thing out for like 15 minutes. That's where we at.

[Mandy B]

Well, I want to get into what they're saying. So entire roles are shrinking. Analysts are replaced by systems, agencies replaced by software teams replaced by automation. So it's saying what used to take five people now takes one. Which to be fair, we've seen that happen literally in the last three years alone. There were all these jobs during the pandemic that niggas was just being hired on to do even remotely. And I wonder if that's where they were taking just all the data that people could do at home. People. Companies were shrinking their rents that they were paying, leaving out of buildings and becoming completely remote or completely automated. So of course, for decades, safe path, Get a job, stay loyal, climb the ladder, get retirement, live happily ever after.

[Jason]

The American nightmare.

[Mandy B]

Companies don't even do that anymore. So it's happened with retail, travel agencies, all the things. So he's saying that what people should start doing, which I have thoughts on this. The people winning right now aren't the ones panicking. This is what they're doing. They're creating something they own, something that scales and something that tied to our. He's pretty much encouraging saying that people at this point should all look at their life as entrepreneurs and build and create their own businesses and systems. Now, I don't know about that.

[Jason]

Yeah, that's a tall order.

[Jamila]

Here we go.

[Mandy B]

He's also talking about the difference with vehicles and what's happening with gas, gas prices, things going to electric, what people are spending compared to what they were spending. And pretty much even how like Uber or what's the other one where you rent your cars out? Toro.

[Antoinette]

Toro.

[Mandy B]

Toro. So owning all these videos amongst different cities, creating like ways to make money that way, not having bosses, not having to deal with layoffs and all those things. But I'm curious to know also I don't know if you saw. They're talking about in other countries also turning work weeks to four days instead of five days.

[Jason]

Oh, a lot of European countries are already on that.

[Mandy B]

Everything.

[Antoinette]

It's not a. Look, there's a book by Timothy ferris called the four hour work week. We talked about condensing four day or four hours, four hour work week, where basically you condensing all 40 hour work week. How much are you really working in that 40 hours? You probably could knock out all that shit in a short amount of time

[Jason]

and concentrate it just sit down and do well.

[Antoinette]

Now you can possibly work on being an entrepreneur and doing your other shit.

[Jason]

Right.

[Antoinette]

Okay, that part was in the premise of. But he's an entrepreneur. But I'm just saying those are the things you could do with your time.

[Mandy B]

Oh, I'm not gonna lie. Even the forcing people back into the offices, let's be very clear, it's so that they can have an eye on you and watch you and feel in

[Antoinette]

control of you in some cases. Yeah. Or they might've had these leases that they purchased prior to pandemic, and they like, hey, we got this shit.

[Jason]

We're paying thousand dollars.

[Antoinette]

Get your ass in there twice a week.

[Mandy B]

Can I say one of my biggest lessons in the last five years? Ain't nobody getting a lease over one or two years out of me ever again.

[Antoinette]

Oh, yeah, yeah.

[Mandy B]

I'm in a five year lease. Boy, would I thought I'd be in five years with even. See, the thing is, still being in New York, the relationship I was in, everything that I thought, five years later, life is completely different. And I'm just like, I will never in life tie myself to Elise like that ever again. Elise is a lot of y' all's marriages too, but I ain't gonna do it.

[Antoinette]

I knew you was gonna go. I said, she's gonna angle.

[Mandy B]

I'm like, I'm not gonna get into it.

[Antoinette]

I need a relationship aspect with her.

[Mandy B]

I think, like, even with marriages. For real. For real. I think it should be to a point where we're gonna be married for the next two years and we can renew at two years or we can

[Jason Rodriguez]

save it when we sign.

[Mandy B]

Like, like, it should be like leases,

[Jamila]

two year and option.

[Mandy B]

Yeah, we should have an option.

[Antoinette]

And then we come back and renegotiate and see what it is.

[Mandy B]

And we renegotiate in two years. And it should be every two years. We're negotiating this, and if we can't come to terms, we get to go out on our own and be free and try this again with someone else.

[Antoinette]

Imagine signing up for Mandy. I need more incentives.

[Jason]

I want a bonus.

[Antoinette]

I want a bonus if we could pass three years.

[Mandy B]

Great girlfriend. No, I know, but would be a wonderful wife.

[Jason]

No, but you might be taller and be like, you know she gonna skate.

[Antoinette]

Yeah, I've been worried about, like, Yo, I don't.

[Jason]

She.

[Antoinette]

I need to get a.

[Jason]

A out clause.

[Antoinette]

Like, if she bounced before this. I need 500.

[Jason]

This nigga bought a PlayStation. I ain't playing Madness. I gotta get the up out of here.

[Mandy B]

I'm gonna have closets. You can't do something starting with me. Yeah, figure that out. Figure that out.

[Antoinette]

Streamer.

[Jason]

Yeah.

[Jason Rodriguez]

So wait, so maybe question the work one. So, so, because what you read, it's like two things kind of jammed into once. Reed. So Reid Hoffman was saying that prediction and then part of it was the dude who posted it and like llc, Twitter kind of football player.

[Mandy B]

Yes, but, but, but.

[Jason Rodriguez]

So this is what I want to ask. So Reed Hoffman was saying like AI is going to take a lot of stuff, but he's also saying the gig economy is gonna, is gonna emerge more. And so he's gonna say like a traditional work week is gon three gigs stacked on one another rather than like one 40 hour week. And so you're gonna be trading stability for what he says is flexibility. What is your take on, Is that, Is that actually what the trade off is?

[Mandy B]

I will say what's scary about the gig economy, gig community 1099 LLC, is the lack of benefits. And this is what I've been having a conversation with my friend recently. She just took on a job and has to deal with cancer treatment. And literally in the state of Georgia, you're not allowed to make a certain amount of money, otherwise you get off Medicaid. And for y' all that don't know, I got to sit with Antoinette in New York last week and we were talking about just going into the marketplace as an individual. That is what the government shutdown was for last year and why the Democrats stalled out. So right now, the workplace as an individual, you might have to pay 6, 7, $800 a month and then still pay for co pays. Mind you, benefits include PTO sick days. It includes things that you would think you should get for working. And unfortunately, in this gig community, in this entrepreneur community, like, baby, when you're sick, you can't work. You don't get paid if you don't show up. You literally have to come out of pocket when it comes to not only healthcare, but let's be very clear, what class did I say needs to be brought to school? Taxes. And so you're also now responsible to figure out taxes, something we're not taught from. And because we've been in such this kind of W2 type of upbringing, when it comes to jobs, taxes automatically come out. And if we pay too much, it comes back. If it doesn't, we owe a little bit more. Bro, I have friends right now that owe six figures in taxes.

[Jason]

Oh yeah, NPR just did a piece last week on the RAD where they

[Mandy B]

were talking to Jameela. You're on camera. I'm truly stoked. Like, it's scary.

[Jason]

No, they had a piece on how Younger people are revolting against taxes. Was they not seeing the benefit of paying it anymore? So they talked to this guy. He's a barber.

[Jason Rodriguez]

Taxes for old people take care of my potholes.

[Jason]

Yeah, potholes and that kind of shit. And the barber kid was saying. He said, I'm 30 years old and I owe $45,000 in taxes this year.

[Jason Rodriguez]

I'm a barber.

[Jason]

I get. It's all in cash. And this is what I owe the irs. I can't afford to pay that.

[Mandy B]

Well, you're bad.

[Jason]

I'm never gonna be able to pay that.

[Mandy B]

You're bad. I'm sorry. Y' all know I was a tax accountant. It's called making your quarterly payments. If you are a 1099 employee.

[Jamila]

You think people know about that?

[Antoinette]

No, absolutely not.

[Mandy B]

So this is.

[Jason]

You don't want us to know about it.

[Jamila]

What did you first say as a what?

[Mandy B]

A tax accountant. But guess what? You ready? I was 16 years old when I first started paying tax. Cause I was like, yeah, mama, you don't get to claim me no more. I want a refund. So when I started working once, I really decided I was working enough, mind you, I had multiple jobs. At 16, I worked at fucking Route 21 champs.

[Antoinette]

That's the Jamaican side of you.

[Mandy B]

At 18, I was in school and worked between Coach and Route 21 at the Outlets in Orlando.

[Jamila]

Okay.

[Mandy B]

Like a bitch. Always, like, was working multiple jobs. But to me, we, as long as we've been working, have had to pay taxes. So to be real, this idea that you don't. There was also a conversation I had with even talking to my friend. We know quavo owes, like, 2 million in taxes. He was just asking people for help. Al Capone

[Jason Rodriguez]

had it famously got.

[Mandy B]

He went to jail for tax evasion.

[Jamila]

We all know about tax evasion. But what I'm saying is a lot of people don't know how to address taxes. Like, especially when you're not making a whole lot of money. A lot of times, especially to get help for taxes, you have to pay.

[Mandy B]

Jamila, if you owe $45,000 in taxes, you made a good coin.

[Jason Rodriguez]

But hold on, hold on. I have a question for you.

[Jason]

I don't know. Yeah, I don't know what his. He said. He said, I owe the IRS $45,000. I don't know.

[Jamila]

That was over one year.

[Jason Rodriguez]

So I want to talk about the bar.

[Jason]

If you're making that kind of barber money, these niggas are charging a lot of money now.

[Jason Rodriguez]

So, like, the barber, right? So, like, because we see these headlines all the time. So, like, that Reed Hoffman, just to give you a good example, the Reed Ho quote, that's actually from like two years ago, but it's coming back around because everybody's talking about AI automation. Right?

[Mandy B]

Right.

[Jason Rodriguez]

And so, like, if we're talking about the way this world exists or it's going to exist and you're going to have to have two and three jobs stacked to Mandy's point, you won't have benefits. And then to bring it to, but jaw saying, then you have young people who don't understand, like, what their tax dollars are for. Like, I, I feel like we have people like Reid Hoffman or llc, Twitter, where they say, like, oh, it's going to be great. You're going to get this flexibility. But then they don't explain, like, how the world is going to be topsy turvy for somebody who is 28 years old, they're a barber, they make $125,000, they have to pay all these taxes. Maybe they're like doing Uber eats on the side and. And they're wondering, like, all right, cool. So I don't have this ability of the tax money coming out. I'm running this chair. I don't even know what my taxes do. I got to do two and three jobs. Like, but then it's still, it's in the name of like, oh, AI is going to take this and it's going to be flexibility. When there's a whole, like, sort of like the permanent under fixture that I think needs to be, like, reevaluated too. I don't think that people don't want to pay taxes, but they're doubting. They're like, if I don't have the infrastructure of what tax.

[Mandy B]

So this is my problem. Unfortunately, as adults, there's a thing called adulting taxes. Our rent, our bills, being parents, whatever you choose to do. We know what comes with being an adult. Working comes with having to pay taxes. It's funny, there's a saying, there's one thing we could all count on in life, debts and taxes. And so this idea that, oh, well, they're not informed, they don't know, bro. We have the Internet. We have YouTube. We have, literally, there's a guy I follow and I love it. He goes in and takes all the llc, Twitter, that's like, hey, guys, you go to the strip club, write it off. Because entertainment. There's all these people that are also giving bad information. But there's a lot of information where you can learn or you hire someone like I was an accountant, right? Bitch, I have an accountant for each of my businesses and they make sure we have quarterly talks about what I'm paying into. I pay. What do I pay? $2,000 a month just so that at the end of the year I have 24,000 to go towards taxes. I normally have to pay another 30,000 on top of that, but it's better than me coming out having to pay 50,000.

[Jason Rodriguez]

But you know, but you. But you know, Mandy, you don't think that's hard for like somebody who. Who again, like the trade off used to be stability. And so like adulting even adulting means stability, right? Like I go home.

[Jason]

That's what it's supposed to do this

[Jason Rodriguez]

or whatever, like with stability removed. And I know we always say Google is free, but like researching is hard.

[Jamila]

It is, right?

[Jason Rodriguez]

Like trying to find the real things.

[Jamila]

Like

[Jason Rodriguez]

research is hard taxes.

[Jason]

But I also sick because the water is dirty.

[Jason Rodriguez]

Changing rapidly.

[Mandy B]

Jason. We as millennial used to have to cite our sources and would literally have to do a 10 page double space fucking research paper where we didn't have AI we literally had to either go in books and we had to put the page number, the paragraph number, all that. So this idea that research is hard, my nigga, we grew up where we were doing that the night before it was due.

[Jason Rodriguez]

We had to research on the Internet

[Mandy B]

is hard because guess what? Well, y' all want to go by Dr. Sebi's fucking diet.

[Antoinette]

Hey, hey, hey, hey, hey.

[Jason]

No, no, no. No kissing a str conversation.

[Mandy B]

Dr. Sa nuts.

[Jason]

I just want to say that off

[Antoinette]

trying to help crazy Dr. Sa was trying to help us.

[Mandy B]

Okay?

[Jamila]

We're not going to always do a Dr. SA. Be straight whenever possible.

[Antoinette]

Rest in peace to Dr. SA.

[Jamila]

We're going to talk. If we're going to talk about what we're talking about right now. You know, I'm going to give my conspiracy theory.

[Mandy B]

Okay, let me go to conspiracy corner.

[Jason]

Spill it.

[Jamila]

So I think that of all these reports and these predictions of the 9 to 5 is going to be coming obsolete. We are gonna. I think that is propaganda to influence people to step away from this so that we can push more capitalism forward. Because capitalism is all about making the richer richer because that's the only way that they could be rich. I don't think this is possible. Especially I can give you a short example. People were on strike a couple of years ago. The writers and the actors on strike, right? Why? Because they were trying to push AI into this. Let me tell you something right now. I don't care how good you think AI is, it will never replace human brains and creativity. It can't. Even to this day, when people use AI, it's not a source, it is not a reliable source. AI has been wrong several times. It's always gonna be wrong.

[Jason Rodriguez]

Why?

[Jamila]

Because it's just regurgitating the information that we gave it. We are the people, we are the source. Shit like that irritates me. I hate when people use AI as a resource. When you can go to the thing that they got it from and at

[Jason]

the bottom of it, it's a middleman.

[Antoinette]

At the bottom of it, it tells you, it say, hey, some of this shit might be funny to you.

[Mandy B]

Yeah, this was a guess.

[Jamila]

We might have been wrong. My bad.

[Jason]

Well, there's also two other parts of this. A, in regards to people's problem with taxes, it's not just not even not knowing, you know, because of the current political climate and a lot of other things, people just don't have faith in the system.

[Mandy B]

Yeah, the systems that we were sold a false dream. We talked about the American dream being 100% so that.

[Jason]

But that's the two problems. A people see this, I'm paying this money. What am I getting for this money? Okay, we know roads and certain infrastructure things, but people aren't really. The math doesn't math to most people. The other part of it is, well,

[Mandy B]

yeah, they can't math, that's why they owe taxes.

[Jason]

Right. But the other part of it is, even when they're pushing this idea to your point about the propaganda outside of slavery, like America is built on blue collar workers, people going to jobs, the auto industry, these mines, all of these things. That's how we have this country in the first place. So if nine to fives are dead, everybody can't be an entrepreneur. We can't have this country, everyone just owning a business. That's not how this shit will ever survive.

[Jamila]

Doesn't make sense.

[Mandy B]

Who's gonna work the business?

[Jason]

Yeah, who's gonna work the business? Yeah, somebody has to work. Capitalism has tears. And it only works in the tiers. If you break that apart, then you just have chaos and so.

[Jason Rodriguez]

But then it gets exposed as a Ponzi scheme.

[Jason]

Yeah, it's a Ponzi scheme. So if you wanna dive deeper into conspiracy, you can say they want people to step away from working. They don't have benefits. So they die and there's less people. And everything around us is killing us. The food, the technology, all this shit is making Us dumber, sicker, more reliant on things that we don't have the resources to pay for. Like, that's not what he's talking about, is the end of society as far as I'm concerned.

[Mandy B]

Literally.

[Jamila]

And you can't be mad at that.

[Jason]

Damn 20, 30.

[Mandy B]

Poor is the aid of society.

[Jamila]

I mean, you can't be mad at poor people for not understanding taxes either. Because if you've never had the experience of being poor as shit and then trying to do the right thing, right? But then you. It's very expensive to be poor. That's something I always remind you. It's very expensive to be poor. It's inconvenient, right? So imagine you're poor, right? You're trying to do the right thing. Let me go on to the TurboTax and find my house.

[Mandy B]

I was about to say, my mama didn't do the little turbo tax.

[Jamila]

Let me log on to the turbo and boom, the turbo. Say, uh, oh, you owe some money. What you gonna do? Close that laptop.

[Jason]

Yeah, no, I don't.

[Jamila]

So now and then, on top of that, I don't even have the resources to figure this shit out. Out, girl, you and go ahead and close that.

[Jason]

Catch me outside. How about that?

[Jamila]

So that's. That's how like that happens. And they. The thing with responsibility is. Is that what you want to call it? Yeah, again, think about it like this.

[Mandy B]

You work, you own.

[Jamila]

That's not. But that's not all.

[Antoinette]

That's because you worked on me.

[Mandy B]

First off.

[Jamila]

First off, exactly. My mama.

[Mandy B]

I grew up. I grew up section 8.

[Antoinette]

When you say your mama, all that.

[Mandy B]

Don't do that. And my mama went her multiple jobs working as a tech in the hospital, waitressing at night to get tips and extra money. My mom not only did her taxes, she did my dad's. And she learned how to fucking make sure taxes were paid. Because at the end of the day, especially with three children, tax credits change.

[Jamila]

So we're talking about priorities here. So imagine you're poor, right? You have these children, you have all these things. You go to the TurboTax and they say you owe $500, right? You got rent, you got groceries, you got. The school needs some of this. I need some of this. I got my insulin to pay for. I got daycare. All of these things. Do you think taxes is on the top of their priority list? Why? Because it's like, oh, it can wait. And sometimes it's not even irresponsibility. I'm gonna get to this when I can get to it. But then shit keeps happening. Like I said, it's expensive to be poor. This is the type of brushing off that people do to poor people and label all of it as irresponsibility when it's not. It's a system set up to keep you right there. That is the purpose.

[Jason]

That is the purpose.

[Jamila]

Specifically when the IRS has come out and admitted that they specifically target poor people. Because it's a lot easier than to investigate the. With all these riches who go through these loopholes and stuff like that. It's just simply not fair. Exactly. So to look at the poor people and be like, you irresponsible dumb ass broke bitch, you should have paid that little money.

[Mandy B]

It's not even that I will say there are literal payment plans that can take place.

[Jason]

Sure. Fucking people.

[Mandy B]

But this is what I'm saying.

[Antoinette]

They don't even want the bill.

[Jamila]

Use TurboTax. Don't know about shit.

[Mandy B]

I'm telling you as a person, it's giving selective ignorance. If you know that taxes is something that we are responsible for. Not only that, they can garnish wages and you can go to jail for it. Let's be very clear. These are crimes when you don't pay the government. So for me, just making it seem like, oh, they're gonna put it to the back burner. Oh, it doesn't make them an irresponsible adult. These are things that as human, as American citizens, we know we have to pay. It is a responsibility that we have as being citizens. If you don't wanna pay your taxes and bitch, go move to another country like you have to.

[Jamila]

It got real MAGA.

[Jason]

I was gonna say you're gonna beat JD Van Zorneyman. I feel like you're gonna beat JD VanZronemay.

[Antoinette]

You wanna know what her AKA it's not in the first Naga to me,

[Mandy B]

we can't sit here and lean into ignorance and not being informed and lack of resources when at the end of the day we all know that that has to pay. We all know that year after year

[Antoinette]

at some point the conversation should come up.

[Mandy B]

Yeah, at some point it's gonna come like I have a friend right now. You didn't pay three years of back taxes. $150,000 is owed.

[Antoinette]

Yeah, she gotta get to it.

[Jamila]

In order to owe $100,000 though. How much are they making?

[Mandy B]

So much.

[Jamila]

Thank you.

[Antoinette]

But that was a different.

[Jamila]

There's a difference between somebody owing 150,000.

[Antoinette]

She has information, she knows, she just ain't.

[Jamila]

That's different.

[Mandy B]

That's the average Joe.

[Jamila]

That's completely different. No, no, no, no. Cause you got some rich friends put

[Mandy B]

your foot on the table of the majority of the oppressed, and I'm not

[Jamila]

gonna let you do that.

[Mandy B]

Plymouth Rock.

[Jamila]

Hello. We can talk about ignorance all we want to. We can talk about not knowing. We can talk about irresponsibility. I want you to really put your mind into the mind of these people.

[Mandy B]

That's how I grew up. I'm there.

[Jamila]

That's how you grew up. But that was not you in adulthood, was it?

[Mandy B]

Yes, it was.

[Jamila]

When did you.

[Mandy B]

I just got money five years ago.

[Jamila]

Okay, That's a lie.

[Mandy B]

And was you out at 30? That's a lie, bro. I was still working corporate America myself.

[Jamila]

Were you poor?

[Mandy B]

But $62,000 a year? New York City?

[Antoinette]

No, no, no. 62,000. Before gas prices. 62. When she made 62, it was like 120.

[Mandy B]

Mind you, that was at 28 years old. So through from 18, which is when I left home, to 28. That's a decade where, Bro, I was responsible for taxes when. Yes, I was a bartender.

[Jamila]

Did you have two?

[Mandy B]

I was at a temp agency.

[Jason]

Oh, baby, I. Fuck them kids.

[Jamila]

I'm just asking.

[Antoinette]

I wanted to know what experience you

[Jamila]

have, because that matters.

[Mandy B]

My experience is gonna shape how you as an adult. Let's be very clear. I moved to one of the most expensive cities in the world. When I got there, I didn't have a job, so I bartended at night and then ended up in the temp agency.

[Antoinette]

Why did you move to one of the most expensive cities in the world?

[Jamila]

Irresponsible.

[Mandy B]

Because I could. But what I'm saying is I had rent.

[Jason]

Chasing a dream.

[Mandy B]

I had rent due. I had to figure out how to eat. I literally went through moments. And mind you, this is before you could get $10 out of an ATM. It was a $20 minimum.

[Antoinette]

Can you imagine that? You remember that, baby?

[Mandy B]

I couldn't get money out. Like, what are we talking about? I was on food stamps when I got there. I even went to college as a non traditional student who still had to pay for books, tuition, rent. I had up to. There was a house of three. At one point. We was splitting rent.

[Antoinette]

You had the card for food stamps or you had the dollars? The actual.

[Mandy B]

No, no, no, I'm not that.

[Antoinette]

I don't see her pulling out the dollars, though.

[Jamila]

Randy's not doing anything. I'm like.

[Mandy B]

I had my SNAP benefits card.

[Jamila]

Okay, Come on.

[Mandy B]

Yeah, we had the cards.

[Antoinette]

And you swiped that Shit real quick.

[Mandy B]

And then luckily I was in the Bronx and they let me use it on hot food. You hear me? So been there. But at the end of the day, when it came to making sure me as an adult registered for New York State Medicaid, when I had to make sure that my bills were paid, that my phone bill was paid as an adult living below $40,000 per point, that

[Jamila]

you missed a bill.

[Mandy B]

Yes, but guess what? But yes. However, I didn't miss a bill for three, four years, so I may never get.

[Jamila]

But you missed the bill, right?

[Mandy B]

Yes. But also what I'm saying is we know that that bill, like an IRS will come and our wages can be garnished or we can go to jail. So that's one of those bills that I think as adults we do need to prioritize more in this country.

[Jamila]

You're not wrong. I'm just saying I don't think. I think you recognize just how unimportant that is to people because of priority list when you are already so down bad. It's like, I wish I could care.

[Mandy B]

Yeah.

[Jason]

The last thing you're thinking about is paying the government people. You know what I'm saying?

[Jamila]

When you live in a hood where you recognize that your tax dollars are actually not helping, it is. I'm just saying there's an empathy level there.

[Mandy B]

I love that you say that. Because when your wages get garnished and you have to go to jail, my empathy is not there. Oh, I'm sorry.

[Jason Rodriguez]

But Mandy, I think, I think.

[Jason]

Do you believe in the government?

[Antoinette]

Which is.

[Mandy B]

I believe that unfortunately we are born into a civilian.

[Jason]

Where were you on January 6th?

[Antoinette]

Exactly. So when we first started the show, I don't like. At least for the first 15 episodes we had a name for.

[Mandy B]

It's not my name anymore.

[Antoinette]

It was Mandy Taylor Greene,

[Jason]

the Ghost is Heroes.

[Mandy B]

I want to wrap this up because I want to get into some fun stuff.

[Jamila]

Yeah. Because I want to talk about D. A Whisperer. No. Shade.

[Mandy B]

Yes. So maybe we'll. No, we can do Chrissy. We'll fit it in there.

[Jamila]

By the way, when you post these clips, they're going to eat you up again. I don't want to.

[Jason]

Oh, no, no.

[Mandy B]

This is not going to be the clip.

[Antoinette]

You know what do you know? The ten page dissertation about somebody's experience from the depths of the hood of St. Louis is going to come about how they had these snap.

[Jamila]

And I'm a replacement.

[Jason Rodriguez]

Post it.

[Jamila]

I tried to tell her, y', all,

[Mandy B]

listen, I just want adults to adult sure.

[Jason]

But the government and I get it.

[Mandy B]

It's fuck the system we live in. But unfortunately, it's the system we live in. And so too there are consequences.

[Jason Rodriguez]

It's like a rapidly changing system. And that they're also trying to like, rewrite the rules while it's happening. Like, I don't think.

[Mandy B]

I love that y' all are just going to wait till we don't owe taxes. But in the meantime.

[Jamila]

Who said that? Yeah, who said that, though?

[Jason]

Okay, well, first off, let's be clear about this thing. If niggas was really on that, we could all say fuck our taxes and they couldn't do shit about it.

[Mandy B]

Can I just say, at this point,

[Jason]

we can't round up everybody.

[Jamila]

And that's why they halted and did

[Jason]

defer it right when we was going.

[Jamila]

Because they knew we wasn't going to do that.

[Jason]

Niggas was not gonna do that shit.

[Jamila]

And we need to revolt.

[Mandy B]

Let's all revoke.

[Antoinette]

And remember this. Taxes are involuntary. Is it said when you participate in the system, you activated the timeline. So they gonna play with you if

[Jamila]

you make

[Mandy B]

$600 sent to you through cash app without them now wanting that

[Jason]

a piece, A piece.

[Antoinette]

You gotta do 5.99.

[Mandy B]

You know what I mean? Like, if you deposit, I tell niggas

[Jason]

to send an extra $550 if you

[Mandy B]

deposit more than 10,000 into a bank account. Where is this money from? Like, unfortunately, yes, this world sucks. But we, we, there are consequences for us not doing the system that we do partake in. Because unfortunately, we have to work to live. And when you work, you gotta pay taxes.

[Jason]

Burn it all down. Sorry.

[Jason Rodriguez]

But if you're working, if you're working 3 jobs with net 90 invoices and shit like that, to their point, you're gonna have to pick your priorities.

[Jamila]

Listen, you about to lose your mind when you realize I ain't filed taxes in two years. Next subject.

[Antoinette]

You gotta bleep that out. Niggas watch podcast too. Enough of the whole.

[Mandy B]

It's okay, it's okay. And guys, when. When Jamila doesn't make it, we will send our condolences.

[Jamila]

No, when I'm not here next episode. It's because Mandy told the fans on. Because we have a snitch in the building. Okay? We have the informal right here. Okay? We have the informant right here in our room.

[Mandy B]

Listen, COINTELPRO, the April 15th deadline just passed. They're already auditing you, nigga.

[Jason]

That are like, I put in my thank you, look, look, extension. I'm like, fuck with Y' all niggas, I see you when I see you.

[Mandy B]

Jamila, you have a resource here. I can.

[Jamila]

We gonna get some. That's what I'm saying. You've never. You don't get it. You've never looked at that laptop and been in stress.

[Antoinette]

I wanna make one side note.

[Mandy B]

Oh, don't do that. And have. Hold on.

[Jamila]

When I tell you I have to.

[Mandy B]

Okay. And I get it. Yes. Quick, fast living, check to check. Very difficult. But I absolutely have owed another $50,000 on top of the 24,000 already paid into and had to break that up to where checks that were coming in. I do have to balance. I have three rents. I have staff that needs to get paid. I've been to where I can't. I can't do nothing.

[Jamila]

They're raising the kids.

[Mandy B]

I'm not gonna allow a $50,000 tax debt to become a hundred thousand next year. And so unfortunately, I've had to, like, like, look, y' all are about to be like, no first world.

[Jamila]

You dropped your diamond earring in the ocean is what you.

[Antoinette]

I want.

[Jason]

I want to drop.

[Antoinette]

I know.

[Jason]

We.

[Mandy B]

Let me.

[Antoinette]

Let me just add Aster.

[Jamila]

I'm rich.

[Antoinette]

Yes.

[Jamila]

I'm rich. Okay.

[Mandy B]

And it's hard.

[Antoinette]

Let me. Let me add this one caveat.

[Jason Rodriguez]

Let's let. Let a king.

[Antoinette]

I remember when we first.

[Mandy B]

Jason. What you say, Jason?

[Jason Rodriguez]

No, I'm saying let AK can't get the final word and let's move on.

[Antoinette]

I remember when Manny and I, when we was hanging out, we would hang out tough. We would go out, whatever. One of the first. Outside of Crystal and Carla, one of the other women, her friends and her friend Pyrdom Group was a whole certified bonafide tax nigga. The girl I think she was, she moved. Short hair, she had a little bob. And I would go down the rabbit hole. I would go down her rabbit hole. I was like, this is one of them fancy. That's a side gig. That's some.

[Mandy B]

Wait, wait, wait. You talking about Dora?

[Antoinette]

Yo, this one, she's the one that's her friend. Yo, that. Yo, she being like. She being Paraguay, fixing somebody's life, literally.

[Mandy B]

So she used to be at Ernst and Young, like me, left ey and started her own firm.

[Antoinette]

Her own shit, bro.

[Mandy B]

Literally being fucking Fiji, the Bahamas. But doing like when she introduced, right?

[Jason]

I ain't gonna lie.

[Antoinette]

And this is why it's kind of fine.

[Mandy B]

You thought she was a thot.

[Antoinette]

Well, no, I didn't think she was a thot.

[Jamila]

Listen, that old ass word.

[Antoinette]

She Smelled like juniper berry, though. But look, the thing was she. I asked her immediately. I'm like, I'm probing her career, like, hey, what? How do you do this? And she would. So to Mandy's point, Mandy been involved in all that shit from. This is part of her ecosystem. It's not normal. It's not normal, though.

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I really had to make a decision because I caught myself getting that frog in my throat and starting to get teary as I'm narrating some of these sections. And it's like, okay, yo, yo, yo, is this indulgent? And I really thought about it. I was like, no. At this point, it would kind of be betraying the trust the author and the listener have in telling this story if I don't go through it. But there's places in this book that. That deeply, emotionally affected me.

[Mandy B]

Me.

[Ray Porter]

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[Mandy B]

about bimbos and Kristy Noem's husband.

[Jason]

There's a transition.

[Mandy B]

I just said thought and then I was like, so we gonna go to bimbo. So Chrissy Noem's husband, if you guys are unfamiliar, you know what, we have journalism Jason here. Can you introduce the topic, sir?

[Jason Rodriguez]

Oh, yeah. So Christy Noem, who is our former Department of Homeland Security chief, her, her, her husband is a certified freak. And if you guys saw the headlines, you saw that he was dressing up with them things on him. Well, there's even more information and I think there's a clip for me to play. Right. So let me get this up here. It's crazy because it says here that her husband allegedly fantasized about leaving Christine Gnome for a sex worker in a cross dressing community that he was a part of.

[Mandy B]

I mean, who doesn't want to look like you? I mean, that's very fair.

[Jamila]

We could get you a nice little

[Jana Kramer]

collar that says on it.

[Akon]

Yeah.

[Jana Kramer]

For your name that you've chosen.

[Mandy B]

I think crystal fits you.

[Akon]

Do you think?

[Mandy B]

I know. Have your big bimbo a nice pretty

[Jamila]

lace thong since you like wearing thongs so much.

[Jason]

I do, I do, yes, I do.

[Mandy B]

I want to add his pseudonym was crystal balls 666. And the voice that you're hearing, her name is shy. She's a 30 year old left wing dominatrix that was in a secret relationship with Brian for the last nine years. So this isn't a new kink. This is a kink he's had.

[Jason]

He's been on this.

[Mandy B]

And I will tell you. Ooh, y' all gonna hate me.

[Jamila]

That's not a kink. You think of 30 sex before.

[Mandy B]

But also, I know it's embarrassing that now it's out in public. Kristi knew. Kristi Noem knew. Kristi Noem knew that she saw the panties that were. She saw the titties in the closet.

[Jamila]

Them big ass titties in that closet.

[Mandy B]

You don't hold them titties under the floorboards.

[Jamila]

Them was too big to just leave around.

[Mandy B]

And I think that that's where this is like. This is like the crazy part of this. Like, to know that he was in this relationship for nine years. Also, he sent tons of payments to these sex workers as well. And so a part of this is where I'm curious to ask the room if you knew your partner or found out your partner after years of marriage was into a kink that maybe you didn't understand or didn't agree with. Do you stay with that person and accept them for what they want as long as it's causing no harm or foul? My rule with kinks are no children, no animals, no corpses. I kind of. That's it. So I'm asking y', all, like, where y'.

[Jamila]

All.

[Jason]

All things considered, that's a pretty sturdy list.

[Mandy B]

I mean, like, y' all have. Y' all's list is a little longer. Like, what?

[Jason Rodriguez]

And as a note, they were married for 34 years.

[Jason]

I was gonna say, I was gonna ask how long were they married versus how long he was doing this?

[Mandy B]

Well, he's been.

[Jamila]

Well, what was her career before the

[Mandy B]

Department of Homeland Security?

[Jason Rodriguez]

Before that, I think she was a politician, and that's what I was looking for.

[Jamila]

I say that because a lot of politicians get into relationships, because that is the optics of it, right? And so I wouldn't be surprised if she found out early on in her marriage that, you know, this was gonna be a beard situation. And it made sense because, you know, for optics.

[Mandy B]

Wait, why do you say beard? He's not dealing with men. He's dealing with women. Like a beard is a man who dates men, who uses a woman as a front, but he's actually dealing with women. Sex workers.

[Jamila]

But I would say just elusive, okay? Blendy, bland, you know, five o' clock shadow. You know something?

[Jason Rodriguez]

They were married and she didn't know, and then she found out and was stuck with them. Or are you saying, like, before they got married? She probably did.

[Jamila]

I think that she found out very early on, and I think that because she had. She wanted to be a career politician. She said, it actually doesn't really make sense to me to leave you because,

[Mandy B]

you know, as a woman, you can't

[Jamila]

be single getting into, especially in the right wing, you know, sphere, you need to be put up and shut up. Right. And so I would not be surprised if she knew early on. To answer your question about the kinks of it all, it truly depends on said kink. I am a kink shamer of some sort, unfortunately, because. And only because some kids kinks make me feel uncomfortable. Like, I get weirded out.

[Mandy B]

Like, name them.

[Jamila]

Okay? So come on.

[Mandy B]

Kink shamer.

[Jamila]

Yeah. And that I am. So I was watching this video a while ago, but the thing is, I'm very fascinated with sex as well. So I'm fascinated, but you also scare me a little bit. You know what I mean?

[Jason]

You could do it, but just do it over there.

[Jamila]

Yeah, just. Cause now I'm a little afraid. So I was watching this video, I think it was from the cut, and it was basically like, guess my kink, right? And they would line up and they were like, asking questions, trying to guess their kink. It was an amazing video, you guys.

[Mandy B]

I like that. I think we need to seal that first.

[Jamila]

It's a really great game. So you know me, it opened my third. I only knew about the top five kinks, to be honest.

[Mandy B]

What are the top five kinks?

[Jamila]

You know, like a little chokey choke, a little toe or something. You know, regular shit.

[Mandy B]

I didn't know toe is a kink.

[Jamila]

Yeah, bdsm. Bdsm, shit like that. So I'm like, I'm ready for that. This lady said that her kink was egg laying, and I have not slept well since.

[Mandy B]

Oh, my God. I'm not gonna lie.

[Jamila]

What the fuck are you talking about?

[Mandy B]

I love it. I bought.

[Jason Rodriguez]

Did she put the egg in?

[Jamila]

She had a fantasy where she is being impregnated by an alien.

[Mandy B]

So I. Okay, so.

[Antoinette]

And y' all got the nerve to save me.

[Mandy B]

So what's crazy is I have a.

[Jamila]

The fact that you know about it already is telling me.

[Mandy B]

First up, I know about all the kinks.

[Jamila]

I bet you do.

[Mandy B]

I've been doing this for 10 years on my other podcast. I bet you do. But yeah, so an egg laying kink is like the. The arousal of being impregnated or fucked by an alien. So there are tentacle dildos I have one and it's like it's colored. I do. I have a tentacle dildo and it looks like an alien tentacle.

[Jamila]

But then you be egging.

[Mandy B]

Well no, you be egging the other ones.

[Jason]

That's what we calling this episode now.

[Antoinette]

Did you have it because is Mandy the entertainer and you just collect these things because you can. Or do you. Or do you actually use them?

[Mandy B]

Well, no. So I deal with some men, right, don't want another dick in the bedroom,

[Jamila]

but they want to be pegged.

[Mandy B]

No, no, no, no. This isn't even me pegging. Because sometimes they can't keep up. And so in between, I want to keep getting penetrated. And so because they don't want another dick in the bed, but they'll want octopus. Wait, I have an octopus Calamari cock. Hold on.

[Jason]

You ready?

[Jamila]

You see, we need to

[Mandy B]

rather a tentacle but a dick. Wait, you want to know the crazy part? I have a tentacle and I also have a Tyrannosaurus rex dildo.

[Jamila]

What does that mean?

[Mandy B]

It looks like a dick. It's turquoise. It looks like a dick, but it has Tyrannosaurus legs and a tail on it. So it looks like. It don't really look like a dick because it look like. Look up Tyrannosaurus or dildo.

[Antoinette]

Hey, watch.

[Mandy B]

I don't want that on my mind. So I have that fourth one. The fourth one is the one. That's what mine looks like.

[Antoinette]

Jason, you put that up on your.

[Jason Rodriguez]

Do that in the studio.

[Mandy B]

Look at her face.

[Jason]

So we got Calamari Cock and Jurassic Prick. That's what you're telling me? That's what's going on.

[Mandy B]

Calamari Cock and Jurassic Prick. Go ahead.

[Jason]

That's what we gonna art.

[Jason Rodriguez]

Am I just old? What's the egg part? Is she sticking the eggs?

[Mandy B]

Look up dildo. So basically it's silicone shaped eggs that you can put into you. Sometimes they have ones that melt like when they go inside you. But you can. They can also come right in. Yeah, go to.

[Jason Rodriguez]

I don't even seem kinky to me. I don't think it was like. Like a real egg.

[Mandy B]

No, they're real eggs.

[Jason Rodriguez]

Some like real kinky shit.

[Jason]

Jason, What?

[Antoinette]

Jason, what laptop are you using?

[Jason]

What?

[Antoinette]

Where are you at in the world right now? Don't. Incognito mode.

[Jamila]

Is that there is a. You know, I'm disturbed.

[Mandy B]

Look.

[Jason]

See, those are the eggs that shit like pop rocks.

[Jamila]

You know what I mean?

[Jason]

That's crazy. That is wild.

[Mandy B]

Jamila, fix your face. Okay, You Kink Shame. Understood.

[Jamila]

Yeah, yeah. And there was another one when he. He likes. I believe it was called tuning. I don't know if you've heard of that. Where they stick rods in their penises.

[Mandy B]

That's sounding. Oh, the.

[Jamila]

Out of me.

[Mandy B]

No, it's like a man that would be turned on. Like the feeling of a catheter.

[Jamila]

But here's the thing. This is where it gets disturbing. They had different sizes. I was think it was just going to be the quick little pee pee hole.

[Mandy B]

No, they're.

[Jamila]

They get big. Them. I'm like, oh, see? And that would just disturb me. Cause I wouldn't even want to do that to you.

[Mandy B]

But maybe he could do it to himself. Well, would you leave your partner for wanting to put eggs up his ass? Or if he sounded on his own.

[Jason]

See, here's the thing.

[Jamila]

I would just. It's like I would just be disturbed. Like I would just be disturbed. I'm simply. I'm disturbed right now.

[Antoinette]

But it's disturbed. It's disturbed. A precursor to the exit.

[Mandy B]

See, that's what we need to.

[Jamila]

You know what it is? I think it's more. So think like I think I would not. I have adhd. Bad, right? Okay. So I just feel like I would not stop thinking about it. And like every conversation I'd be like,

[Antoinette]

he gonna wanna help. He wants you to help him put the rod.

[Jamila]

You know what I'm saying? Like, I just be like, ugh. Like knowing what you do. Like you do that. Like.

[Mandy B]

You know what I mean?

[Jamila]

Like, I would all.

[Antoinette]

And then after all that, hey, babe, let's go to Trader Joe's.

[Jamila]

It's like you just put a whole broom up your fucking dick.

[Jason]

Oh, you have to do a skit where you like talking to your husband and then he just transforms into like a tentacle dick.

[Jamila]

Or it would just. And that's the thing I can't unsee. Like, what happened to regular kinks? Let's bring back the old chokey choke. Let's bring back the old rapity. You know, I'm like, let's keep it.

[Mandy B]

No, but when you experience fun, it just gets funner. Like, I can't go back. I can't have regular degular sex anymore. Which is why I'm very picky with my partners now. Like, I don't want to just go through the motions like I'm a teenage. But like, yeah,

[Jamila]

respectable kink.

[Jason Rodriguez]

The respectable kink.

[Mandy B]

That is something.

[Jason]

That is a phrase right there.

[Jamila]

Respectable kinks. Like you said, no children.

[Mandy B]

No. What did you say no children, no corpses, no animals.

[Jamila]

I agree. And I'll add to it. I don't like the. I don't know what it's called. It's a specific name for it. But it's like rape play. Damn near.

[Jason]

Oh, right.

[Mandy B]

Yeah, Yeah, I love that.

[Antoinette]

What about race play? Like it's called.

[Jamila]

You're not calling me a narrative.

[Mandy B]

It's called cnc. Consensual. Non. Consensual Sex.

[Jamila]

That makes me so uncomfortable.

[Jason Rodriguez]

What if you were at a. Let's say you're at a gun range, right?

[Antoinette]

And you were trying to shoot a

[Jason Rodriguez]

gun, but you couldn't do it and then you left, but there was somebody in there who was going to call you a. And that was part of the role play.

[Mandy B]

Oh, that's role playing. Role playing school.

[Jason]

I know.

[Jason Rodriguez]

I'm just joking about what Ja went through.

[Jamila]

Okay, I was going to say. I was going to say. This sounds familiar.

[Mandy B]

Yes.

[Jamila]

Role playing.

[Mandy B]

Cool. So you're not down for six?

[Jamila]

No, no. Because I, you know, I simply will believe you. You know what I'm saying? Because now. Cause I'm a method actor now it's real.

[Jason]

Now we're in it.

[Mandy B]

It's a form of role play.

[Jamila]

Yeah. And I don't like that.

[Jason]

Okay, wait, is P and shit on the list?

[Mandy B]

Of course.

[Jason Rodriguez]

Okay.

[Jason]

I mean, it wasn't a

[Mandy B]

mess.

[Jamila]

Hell no.

[Jason Rodriguez]

Okay, so what if you're in a relationship and. And like 15 years later it comes out?

[Mandy B]

Yeah, what if 15 years later

[Jamila]

I'm be like, nah, we ain't gonna do that, baby.

[Jason]

Okay, but I really want to do it.

[Mandy B]

So then would you allow him to go experience this with sex workers?

[Jamila]

No.

[Mandy B]

So you're leaving? No.

[Antoinette]

But you're gonna. You're gonna see him differently though.

[Mandy B]

Yeah.

[Antoinette]

Cause now you're gonna gotta do shit.

[Mandy B]

What if he gotta get it off? This is his life.

[Jamila]

It ain't his life to get pissed off.

[Antoinette]

Nah, but you gotta know all about these things early on though.

[Jason]

You can't.

[Mandy B]

That's what I'm saying.

[Jamila]

You ain't gonna just drop pissed on me, twin. Cause you went wrong. That's something. You dropped, you know, third day. So here's the thing.

[Jason]

So here's the thing.

[Mandy B]

Well, no, you change. You evolve.

[Jason Rodriguez]

Yeah, you change over time.

[Jamila]

You didn't evolve with that. You involved in today's Jennifer because you

[Mandy B]

got curious and you started watching more porn. It's on Twitter every time I get online.

[Jamila]

Don't get that curious.

[Jason Rodriguez]

It's Mandy. New hobbies. Your kids are out of the house. It's a new hobby. He picked up a new hobby.

[Mandy B]

He picked up a new hobby.

[Jamila]

Getting pissed off. How you pick that up with nobody else? Piss on yourself.

[Jason Rodriguez]

Yeah.

[Jason]

Baby's phone.

[Mandy B]

Oh, yeah, you can piss on yourself.

[Jamila]

Keep pissing on yourself.

[Jason]

Then wait,

[Jason Rodriguez]

he became a podcast listener?

[Jamila]

Let me tell you something.

[Mandy B]

Yeah. Maybe he listened to all decisions and got cancer.

[Jamila]

I'm very accepting. I'm very accepting.

[Mandy B]

Doesn't sound it.

[Jamila]

I am.

[Jason Rodriguez]

It doesn't sound like it.

[Jamila]

I'm very accepting, but I don't think it's fair to drop shit on somebody 20 years later and expect them to be like, yeah, like, this is so okay. Like, I want to do this. Like some people are. I would be like, well, I don't know.

[Jason]

Well, to your point about Kristi Nom.

[Jamila]

Tell me all your freak up front. It's okay. No, that's fair. Yeah.

[Jason]

To your earlier point about Kristi Noem knowing. No. For a career politician, you got to imagine there's all kind of vetting. They're vetting everything.

[Jamila]

You think they do.

[Mandy B]

They. It's. No, they're not vetting your kinks.

[Jason]

You don't think. You don't think.

[Jamila]

Clearly not.

[Mandy B]

They're not.

[Jason]

Someone who wants to be a career politician is gonna. No.

[Mandy B]

And this is why in the Epstein files, we're finding out that they're all pedophiles.

[Jamila]

They probably tried to. There's only so much you can really find out about a person, especially when they do a lot of. Like that. Because it's like, how would you have known that until you, you know, I

[Jason]

mean, they found out about Byron Daniels. Was it Byron Daniels or was it the other one? I think it was Byron Daniels. He was. He was in the trans chat rooms on the Internet.

[Jamila]

And see, that's on the Internet. Yeah, but he was in private. He was in private.

[Mandy B]

Look at Andrew Gillum. He got caught. He was clearly partaking with male sex workers for a long time. It wasn't until he got gotten set up, but I'm sure he was doing

[Jason]

that and his before that time.

[Jamila]

But you know what the funniest part about this, obviously is the fact that she's conservative and they hate trans people. They hate anything queer. They hate all these things. And what he is doing is tapping into a level of queerness. Whether he, you know, likes men or not. That is queerness.

[Mandy B]

Cross dressing is.

[Jamila]

Yeah. That's under the umbrella of queer. And those are the same people who has taken, you know, rights away from queer people. That's the joke. That's the headline.

[Antoinette]

That's so much for Christian value.

[Jamila]

He shouldn't be able to be bouncing his titties everywhere. But y' all don't want to let him bounce some titties. He gotta bounce his titties in private.

[Mandy B]

Bounce them titties. All right, let's get into the DL Whisperer. By the way, I feel like this did not hit none of y' all's topic.

[Jason]

I'd have no idea what y' all talking about when y' all said, I'm just curious. I'm just a passenger in this vehicle.

[Jamila]

I don't understand that bastard.

[Mandy B]

Me neither.

[Antoinette]

Is it more Christian values?

[Mandy B]

Hold on. No, no, no.

[Jamila]

There are values.

[Mandy B]

Jason, are you familiar with the DL Whisperer?

[Jason Rodriguez]

That's not something that I put a

[Mandy B]

lot of attention to.

[Jason]

If your algorithm is in tune to that.

[Mandy B]

So we will put you on to basically who this person is, why he's locked up. Yeah, I mean, ironically, too, this is someone that Weezy had reached out to to bring on the podcast. And they're here. Why shout out to Weezy. I told her I don't agree so much. So with what his platform stands for that I don't want to platform him anymore, please. So basically, the DL Whisperer was a black guy by the name of Naquan Tidri Malik Palmer. Here in Atlanta. Here in Atlanta. But what he did was pretty much girls who had boyfriends. He would kind of. He would. Girls were hitting him up to see if their partners were DL.

[Jason]

That's so corny.

[Mandy B]

And so.

[Jason]

Oh.

[Antoinette]

Cause he would know. He would know.

[Mandy B]

Well, no, he would literally try to dm. He would make shit up.

[Antoinette]

Oh, he's reaching out.

[Jason]

He's trying to try to get to them.

[Mandy B]

He was trying to get.

[Jamila]

But hold on. Before we even. And before we even give him credibility, let's take it back.

[Mandy B]

Take it all the way back.

[Jamila]

He was a failed content creator.

[Mandy B]

There we go.

[Jamila]

Okay. You know, this is my wheelhouse. He was a failed content creator. The reason he got popular is because he was calling out famous black men for being gay. For being gay. People like Keith Lee, who is married to a woman with three kids for no reason, mind you. It's not like he would be like, oh, because, you know, I seen it with men. He would be like, you see the way Keith Lee just walked? He did. And I can tell you that. You want to know how I know? Because I used to only date DL men. Get the fuck out of my face, number one. So that's what he would do it

[Mandy B]

could be the way they talk, anything, the way they move their hand. And basically he was coming out, really calling out a lot of local men and celebrities, though, saying that this man is DL with zero evidence, just saying shit. And then he started getting to where

[Jamila]

he was DMing because he was essentially like, rage baiting. And it of course, got a lot of attention because a lot of women are homophobic, Duh. So they're latching onto this. Like, I knew that. Oh, I. I knew it. And a lot of women have this, like, fear, this anxiety about their man secretly liking other men, right? And. And that's loaded in and of itself. But he is very problematic. And because he's problematic, of course, people started to make content saying, hey, this is problematic. And this is why, right?

[Mandy B]

One of those people being T.S. madison.

[Jason]

Wow.

[Jamila]

Who.

[Akon]

Who.

[Mandy B]

In response to that.

[Jason]

Cause that's how we get here.

[Mandy B]

Well, in response to that, he then started stalking and doxxing. T.S.

[Jamila]

madison went to her house. Went to her house and said, I'm gonna kill that bitch. Actually, he was misgendering her consistently. Like, you already knew that was coming, right? Threatening to kill her. And Dominique Morgan as well was in that. This nigga then put me in it as well. So as soon as he got locked up, I said, thank God. Lock me up.

[Mandy B]

Wait, wait, what do you mean, put you in?

[Jamila]

So I made a video talking about this, right? And what's crazy is I really didn't even go off on him too much. I was addressing the people in his comments. Cause I seen one of his videos pop up, and I'm looking in the comments, I'm like, it's nothing but black women.

[Mandy B]

Black women.

[Jamila]

And it was very discouraging to me. So I made a video address. I'm like, hey, I want to, you know, have space for you guys, because I understand there is a level of fear there. But I want you to recognize that that fear is stemming from homophobia. You scared that every nigga you talk to is gay is homophobic Because. Because, first of all, there's no issue with being gay, right? And if a nigga is with you, whether you want to accept it or not, he's at least bisexual. I promise you that you will not find not one gay nigga, a real gay man that wants a woman for 20 fucking years.

[Jason]

Right? Yeah.

[Jamila]

Stop it. And that's how I know you're not in community with queer folks, because you would fucking know this. And I was just, you know, explaining that. And I was saying what he's doing is just stoking at you guys.

[Mandy B]

And it's dangerous. It's so dangerous. Because that's the other thing. There were men that were threatening him because he was outing again regular people. Anyways, when it came to T.S. madison, she did get a protective order and he got jailed. He is now petitioning and asking the NAACP and the public hold on to help him be placed in solitary confinement because he's alleging now racist bleach attacks in jail because he fears for his life now being behind prison.

[Jamila]

So now he knows what it's like to be arrested.

[Jason]

That's what I was gonna say. Like what did Literally what kind of like.

[Jamila]

But mind you, he raised, you know, he raised almost $20,000 because.

[Jason]

For bail.

[Jamila]

No, no, no. Before he even got arrested, when he went and tried to act like he was going to. Well, he didn't act. Like when he went to TS Madison house and put that on the Internet, she didn't say nothing. She filed that order. He put up up gofundme and was like, TS Madison's trying to get me. I need this money for legal reasons. Before he even got arrested. And so many people sent him money that he raised almost $20,000 that is now going to TS Madison, by the way, because he is an idiot. And he went on Tasha Mac, not Tasha Max, Tasha K. Ass stupid. Another idiot idiot stay getting feed and just completely uprooted his whole campaign. And they're using that shit against him and she her dumb ass. It was just a mess.

[Jason]

Tasha K is like a black woman DJ Vlad. I feel like people go on that show and start telling all of their business, all of their illegalities and shit and lies to any right. She don't care.

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[Jason]

that y' all brought this up about this particular guy, because I just saw a video this week that might have popped up on some of y' all timelines. It was a. It was a black guy talking about how people. Someone brought it to his attention. I don't know if it was like, his girlfriend or someone else that people think that he's gay because he has some effeminate attributes. And he was saying that his whole thing was like a. Like, n. Call me gay. Like, it's a slur. That's not a slur. Like, I don't. Whatever. But he was on the tip where it was like, y' all n are basically fatherless. Like cretin that never had. Never had someone. A man show you love. You had never had a man kiss you on your cheek. Your daddy never hugged you. Your uncle never gave you a hug. No one ever told you they were proud of you. No one showed you male. On male intimacy, affection. And now y' all think that because I twist my wrist or do whatever that I'm gay. And it was just when you said that, I was like, oh, I just saw this brother talk about this whole idea of, like, trying to the gay person.

[Mandy B]

But I said it. And we talk about how conservative the black community is. When he was out, his entire audience was black women. And so.

[Jason]

And they just ate up his content.

[Mandy B]

It shows where we are also pushing the propaganda in terms of homophobia and not addressing why we feel that way and why we're not creating these safe spaces for black men.

[Jamila]

Yeah. And it was. And then, of course, he used the old, I'm trying to protect black women because this is why black women have a high AIDS rate. I say, oh, we're going to have. And it's like, ironically, you can actually look at the statistics of that. Nine. Not even nine times. I'm not gonna give a number. But the majority of cases of Black women contracting STDs comes from straight men, not gay men. Not down low men. Right. So if you're gonna try to protect black women, talk to these niggas who don't get tested.

[Jason]

Hold on.

[Mandy B]

Yeah, hold on. Or the ones that don't wanna wear a condom. And just make sure. You good? I'm good. Don't even go to the doctor.

[Jason Rodriguez]

Hello.

[Jamila]

Like, that's not what's happening. Gay men are way more likely to go get tested than straight men.

[Mandy B]

And so are sex workers.

[Jamila]

Yes.

[Mandy B]

And so are people who openly discuss their sexuality, their kinks, the things that they're into. It's people that are conservative who are uneducated and ignorant that are carrying these things out and just passing it on all willy nilly.

[Jamila]

And this is also a ploy because he's also been spreading right wing propaganda. And I'm gonna be very clear, I don't think he believes any of the shit that he's doing. He is just grifting for money, right? And that's why he's crying now to the naacp, which was just posting Trump. So these same black women who wanna hold onto their blackness so tight recognize that you are falling down that alt right pipeline just the same.

[Mandy B]

The grifting from makes me think of inside the manosphere. These men, these men are pushing courses and things that they know people will just buy into because they need somebody to look up to, they need a hero, they need these things and it's just like, oh, you need someone to align with your ignorance, your ignorant thoughts. You need someone to hate, to blame, whether it be your mom that slept with a dad that was no longer present when you were growing up, the fact that, that you're jealous that women can get flown out and be on a yacht without having to make the money to afford it. So now you're mad at the patriarch and the fact that you have to fucking work to actually get on a yacht. But also, if you want to bend over, you could get on a yacht too. There's rich gay men that will bring you on a yacht.

[Jason Rodriguez]

Like somebody's cutting a check.

[Mandy B]

Somebody cutting a check.

[Jason]

We've been, as a society, we've been, I call it unprotected patriots, patriarchy. And unprotected patriarchy will give you the STD of misogyny, homophobia, all this shit flares up, you might could take a little Valtrax or something and get rid of that shit for like a day or two. But this is coming back. You can't rhyme Mexico your way out of this shit, bro. Like, this is. And it affects men as bad as it affects women. And people don't talk about that shit to understand that.

[Jamila]

Like, and, but then this is the way I try to attack it for black men and black women because they don't hear you. Otherwise, this is white supremacy. You got to take it back to the white man. Because you understand racism, right?

[Jason]

Right.

[Jamila]

Well, I want you to understand that this patriarchy that you are swallowing and deep throating so hard is white supremacy just repackaged. It is a subset of that. And you continuously perpetuating this shit, it's letting me know that you are easily going to be flipped and you know how I know that to be true? Because it's already happening.

[Mandy B]

Yep, it's really happening. And is dummies. All right, so we don't have a king. Cause Aking had to go do a work call. But I want to ask you guys because in real time. Jai, you did not see these clips.

[Jason]

I did not.

[Mandy B]

Jason, did you see these clips?

[Jason Rodriguez]

I haven't seen them yet.

[Mandy B]

Okay, so let's see. Do you guys want to touch on a king saying that there's not enough time to. Akon Akin.

[Jason]

Someone said they'd have been like that nigga said what the comments would have blown.

[Mandy B]

So Akon recently sat on Justin La boy's pod.

[Jason]

Oh, Jesus. That's okay.

[Mandy B]

Yep. Not now, respectfully. And these thoughts to share. So he's had two clips. Actually a little bit more than that, but I pulled these two specifically. Akon says that there's no time to raise a kid when you're a man. And also that that is the role of a woman to raise a kid, not a man. Hold on. And then he said that men aren't built to be committed. Commitment is not a thing that is in the scientific DNA of a man.

[Jamila]

Let's hit both.

[Jason]

She's like, I wanna cook. He's like, no, I wanna cook.

[Jamila]

I hate niggas sometimes.

[Mandy B]

Okay, now real quick, we do have only one father here. Cause you ain't got no kids. So Jason, we will kinda need your thoughts on this too. And then you are a mother. Okay, so let's get into it. Jason, play that first clip.

[Jason Rodriguez]

All right.

[Jamila]

When I say, I bet you he got a couple of kids on.

[Mandy B]

Oh, he got a lot of kids. Pull up. How many kids he got? All right, play this.

[Antoinette]

And going to school recitals and being at every little event is a white man's thing.

[Mandy B]

Yeah. How do. How do your kids feel about that?

[Akon]

Oh, I mean, they understood afterwards.

[Antoinette]

Yeah.

[Akon]

Cuz this is the thing, right? If you are trying to change the world as a man, that got purpose that God gave you, there's no way you're gonna make time for that.

[Jason Rodriguez]

Right.

[Akon]

And it could be the most insensitive thing to say, but that's actually the role of the mother.

[Jason]

Right?

[Akon]

That's a part of raising the child in the home. Right?

[Jason Rodriguez]

Right.

[Akon]

And school and nurturing them to become an adult to where they can now be out there changing the world.

[Jason Rodriguez]

Right.

[Akon]

If the father has to play that role old, he won't never be able to like, like, honestly like make his purpose in. On.

[Jason Rodriguez]

On.

[Akon]

On earth. Like, my kids know when I do have that time, though. We together. Yeah, they noticed, like. But they also know when I'm traveling the world, I'm not gonna make every birthday. I'm not gonna make every graduation. I'm not gonna make every piano recital or the basketball games or whatever. But when you pick up that phone and say, dad, I got a situation, I need some advice, I got this. I need that or I need something. Two minutes is there. They know I'm doing the part that I'm supposed to play. But I always believe that there's two roles that you have to play. And raising that child is the mother's role.

[Jason Rodriguez]

Right.

[Akon]

The man's role is to provide, protect, and to discipline. When they listen to their mother, that's when I get the call. Now we got a problem. You follow what I'm saying? Because she's my voice when I'm not there. But the moment you disrespect her voice, now you disrespect mine. Now we got an issue.

[Jamila]

How you gonna.

[Mandy B]

Where are we starting? Where are we starting?

[Jamila]

I wish a nigga would try to discipline me over the phone.

[Mandy B]

Shut the fuck up. Yeah.

[Jason Rodriguez]

With the two minutes. With the two minutes he got.

[Mandy B]

I will say, unfortunately, this is still propaganda that we as women right now are also pushing forward. Hear me out. When it comes to what we look for out of these men, it's protection provision. And yet, normally, we talked about this with the Patrick Beverly situation. The man in the household, whether it be the brother, because the lack of a father, is a disciplinarian.

[Jamila]

I agree.

[Mandy B]

And so what he's saying sounded harsh. Yes.

[Jamila]

Nine. Bumba clack kids.

[Mandy B]

Nine kids. How many mothers? How many mothers?

[Jamila]

Ten mamas.

[Mandy B]

It doesn't say.

[Jamila]

I bet you wouldn't.

[Mandy B]

Nine kids, ten moms. I'm with that. I'm with that math. I'm with that math. I'm with that math, man.

[Jamila]

Man, listen, I'm so glad I don't got a daddy like that, so.

[Mandy B]

But here's the sad part, too.

[Jason]

I had more mamas than kids.

[Jamila]

You know, I'm just.

[Jason]

I was doing the math.

[Mandy B]

I was like. It was. You missed the joke.

[Jamila]

Cheer on.

[Mandy B]

You missed the joke.

[Jason]

Carry on. Carry on.

[Jamila]

He was over there trying to count.

[Mandy B]

Yeah.

[Jason]

I was like.

[Mandy B]

It's tricky because unfortunately, what he's saying is still what I hear women asking for.

[Jamila]

They do. And that's why I try to push against that every time. First of all, I don't do dating content. To be clear, I hate dating content. I think dating content is also a way that is swindling us into the right wing propaganda.

[Mandy B]

Shella said, fuck your other podcast ho. Listen, listen. She said, I hate it.

[Jamila]

No, because there's a very specific niche type of dating content where it's like, ladies, we are going to do our soft life. We don't do anything but breathe and be a dainty little. That is misogyny. Thinking that all you are here to do is be a puss and to provide for a fucking man.

[Jason]

And the nigga. Dating content is no bad. It is, it's a one way street of.

[Jamila]

And I think a lot of women feel like, because it's, it's, you know, it's a cute, beautiful woman saying this. It feels better than coming from like the fresh and fit, right? But it's like they're saying the same things in different fonts because they know what will attract their audience.

[Mandy B]

But not only that, I genuinely think they believe it when the Nelly and Ashanti. They do came out. Nelly said, I'm not changing a Pamper. They said that on the Manosphere documentary.

[Jason]

Pusha Tusha got himself in trouble with that same shit.

[Jason Rodriguez]

Yep.

[Jamila]

It's a, it's a very common.

[Jason Rodriguez]

I changed every diaper.

[Jamila]

Okay.

[Mandy B]

Hello.

[Jason Rodriguez]

I, I can't see. Like this is my thing. If you want to be the person who's going to discipline, how can you discipline without context?

[Jamila]

Exactly.

[Jason Rodriguez]

Raising a child? Right? Because the point of discipline is you're, you're, you have these little human beings that you're trying to teach to become adults, right? And so like discipline is moments to like teach, right. You're not, you're not disciplined just for like punishment's sake, right? Like the whole, the whole idea is for you not to do repeatable behavior that's towards the negative. And so if you're just parachuting and being like, oh, and then they call me, you're gonna get a little 30 second summary and then you're gonna try and lay the hammer down. Like, not only that, that's bullshit.

[Mandy B]

You wanna know what's said about it? We're seeing it in our everyday happenings. So as little boys, they're growing up seeing violence as the key. And unfortunately as women, we're in fear of men in the home, but then

[Jamila]

wanna turn around and pretend to be confused as to how we got here. Why is it that I will never, ever, ever respect a man who pretends like there is no role of the father in raising the children Correct? Especially when they try to say it's not, it's not in our nature. Shut up. You don't know science, nigga. Shut up. Like, stop trying to act like you are coming from a factual basis, because you're not. You're just coming from what's easy and what's been socially acceptable. But even when we talk about what's socially acceptable in what society think about that. Y' all keep regurgitating white supremacy over and over again. Things that are not community. Again, I say thank God I had the dad I have because I think that that completely shaped my worldview. I came from a family dynamic where my mom has always out earned my dad.

[Jason Rodriguez]

Okay?

[Jamila]

So I'm already coming from a different perspective of like, what is this quote unquote provider, provider, provider. Oh my God. Like, it's really, it's annoying. But also, I don't want to sound like a pick me in the same sense. And that's why I kind of don't speak on it at all. Because I don't want to make it seem like I, you know, just would marry a bum. Because that's not the point. The point, but the reality is it's not about money.

[Mandy B]

And it's also so a lot of us have non traditional upbringings and lifestyles that we're even living today that people don't want to believe is non traditional because they have these traditional views and points that they're trying to uphold. Whether it be the church, they be

[Jamila]

thinking that shit's cute too. When the dad don't know the teacher name, the middle name, birthday, the favorite.

[Jason Rodriguez]

That part, crazy part is that's not even my experience. Like, yo, the majority, the, the, like, I'm about to go do school pickup in a little bit. It's gonna be all dads, right? Like, you'll see a bunch of moms, a bunch of dads. Like when, when, when dudes get on podcast mics and start spitting that. That's not even my real experience from what I see, right? Like, I, I see a bunch of dads doing stuff that you may think are mom's roles and moms doing a bunch of stuff that her dad's roles. Like, it, it, it, there's, it's, it's, it's the joint like production of what you're doing to raise a child and, and to like, want to like, willingly not participate in that. I, I don't understand. And it's like in the same regard, if you want your child to be better than you one day, like, wouldn't you want to be a Better father than your father was.

[Jamila]

Right.

[Jason Rodriguez]

And I love. And I love my father. Right. I don't want to be the same father he was. And that's not a criticism on him. I have an opportunity to be a better father, and I want to take all the opportunities towards doing that and doing that for my child. Jason, you're giving just to be like,

[Mandy B]

yo, that's across the world.

[Jason Rodriguez]

That's just not in our nature, like, out of here.

[Jamila]

And you also cannot be. And I think there's this idea that discipline is all about, like, negative consequences.

[Mandy B]

Correct.

[Jamila]

Because a lot of people are really obsessed with the idea of disciplining their kids, too. Because he got really proud. He said, yeah. Cause when they called me, I said,

[Mandy B]

hey, hey, hey, shut up.

[Jamila]

Ain't nobody. Because, mind you, I guarantee you, your kids don't respect you the way that you think they do because you're not there all the time. But then the only time you want to pick up the phone and call them, please. That's not fair. When it comes to discipline. Discipline. First of all, I have a whole. I could talk for hours about discipline when it comes to these children because y' all need to get them hands off them kids. But that's a whole other conversation. For.

[Jason Rodriguez]

It's talking. Discipline is talking more than anything.

[Jamila]

It's talking. It's teaching. Children are the most oppressed group in the world. So we keep beating them, we keep chastising them. We keep not being there for them. We keep telling them it's a woman's job to do this. And that's why when they grow up, they become idiots.

[Jason]

So. And here's the other part of it. A discipline comes from a respected person. You're a stranger.

[Jason Rodriguez]

Hello.

[Jason]

You're not there. Them kids don't know you. So you can't discipline somebody who doesn't know you. That's the first part. The second part, where the math doesn't. Math is the same niggas that would say that that are raised by single mothers who did all of the providing and all the protecting, and they'll cherish the mother, honor dear Mama, and they'll do the whole thing for honoring the mother, for doing all the things that their father, who might have dipped out or whatever, didn't do, and then turn right around and slap in the face, then turn right around and say, these bitches is too masculine.

[Jason Rodriguez]

Hello.

[Jason]

These bitches is too masculine. And they won't submit, and they won't do this and they won't do that, and they have.

[Mandy B]

But we do it all.

[Jason]

And, and, and they have a single mother who's been doing all of this.

[Jamila]

All of this is just misogyny. That's all.

[Jason]

That's what it always boils down to.

[Jamila]

When he was also talking, he made it a point to say. Because when the men are out here trying to change the world.

[Jason]

Oh, I want to talk about that too.

[Mandy B]

You know what I mean?

[Jason Rodriguez]

So, so, so let, let's. Let's go to the. To the second clip. Cuz he talking about more, more.

[Mandy B]

Said I gotta go pick up these kids.

[Jamila]

I gotta go be a dad.

[Mandy B]

I'm an active father.

[Jason Rodriguez]

Here we go.

[Mandy B]

This is from a different interview.

[Akon]

We're not built to be committed. We're natural breeders by nature. Right?

[Jamila]

Okay.

[Akon]

We populate because that's how God created us to be. So we can't be committed to one or two or three or whatever.

[Mandy B]

We're not wired.

[Akon]

Faith is totally different. I could be with a chick and be with her forever through all the problems, no matter what. I can find my. The baddest chick alive and have my main chick and I'm you. And just. I'm using this example. Could be in the hotel and she bust down the door and I'm knee deep in there and I'm gonna jump

[Mandy B]

off like I don't even know her out of here.

[Akon]

Like I wouldn't even know her. She means nothing to me because this is what I'm faithful to.

[Mandy B]

But just hear me out.

[Jamila]

No.

[Mandy B]

How many men do you know will

[Akon]

fight for that one because of the mistake they made with something that didn't matter to them?

[Jamila]

What is that?

[Mandy B]

Faithfulness.

[Akon]

That's creating that energy to fight for it now.

[Mandy B]

Commitment. We.

[Akon]

We are guilty. We're not committed. We're going to be with multiple women. That's just who we are. We can't. That's nature. Nature created that. We didn't create that. Otherwise it wouldn't be a coincidence that every single woman on this planet, if they have a. A problem with their spouse, it's over another woman.

[Mandy B]

Think about every. I got a problem with their man

[Akon]

is over another chair.

[Jason]

I need. I need like the bar for what's honorable. I need to jump higher, please.

[Jamila]

I need. Let's take it before we.

[Mandy B]

Why, Jason? Does. Does Aon have something. Is he promoting something like. Cuz he's. He's across multiple platforms right now.

[Jamila]

What's happening? Like I'm. I'm getting scared.

[Jason Rodriguez]

Let's see what he got. I'm sure he's probably building something.

[Jamila]

Building Some more lights and changing the world.

[Jason]

Yeah, about to say the niggas talk about changing the world. Like, okay, you have these charities. You're bringing lights and all that, but you're not a scientist. You're not an engineer. All you're doing for the. For those efforts. What you're doing is providing money, capital, and so you don't have to travel the world, do any of that. You can send them people a check and they can do their job to go clubbing.

[Mandy B]

Yeah, like, I'm at the Beaverlos.

[Jamila]

This is what you kept telling your kids. Hey, hey, hey, I'm at the Beaverlos. I can't even.

[Jason]

The Met Gala tomorrow. I gotta. You know, I mean, I know you've been working on your ballerina stuff for a little while, but I gotta go put on this pointy hat and whatever the fuck else this lady gonna make me wear again.

[Jamila]

This is all just a way to be selfish. That's all it is.

[Jason]

It's crazy, selfish excuses for selfishness.

[Jamila]

You just want to do what you want to do. And I really hate when people try to make, like, these grandos excuses as if, like, oh, the reason that there's really a primitive reason that I'm doing this, it's because. Because this is nature.

[Jason Rodriguez]

This is God by nature. By nature.

[Jamila]

God did not tell you to go hoe around like that. That ain't even in the Bible. Stop lying on God like y' all be lying. He was asking Jesus AI. That's who he got his info from. Jesus AI told him to do that. Like you're making shit up. Just say, I don't want to be in a committed relationship because I don't want to. I would rather sleep around. I'm polyamorous or whatever. Why don't you just say that?

[Mandy B]

No, no, but that's the thing. Because, Tricky, a lot of women, because of traditions, because of misogyny, because of patriarchy, the fact that he said there's a lot of women out here who will argue about another woman, that's not a deal breaker for a lot of women. I'm trying to convince my friends right now that they are all actually poly. They just hate the word. You're not leaving your man for cheating on you with another woman. Many of you are dating married men who have women at home. But you're fine being the girlfriend. Unfortunately, we have the incident that just happened in London that we talked about. A woman ran another woman over because they were already arguing over dealing with the same rapper nigga together. Like, unfortunately, in Atlanta, there's a mindset that everyone's sharing. Everyone here free my sisters, but it's not free to me. If the numbers aren't numbering and you're actually okay with the fact that you are sharing a man, it would become just a lot more healthier for women to accept that and for men to be a little bit more honest with what they're doing. And this is why STD rates are high. Not because women are sleeping with DL niggas. It's because people are not being honest with that. But not only that. You can be a girlfriend. I'm using air quotes. If you're not watching this to a married man, and because you are his girlfriend, y' all are sleeping unprotected. Even though you know he's going in life laying up with his wife, who's unprotected. And guess what? The wife knows that he's stepping out, so she got a little side nigga that she fucking.

[Jamila]

And everybody protecting and intermingling and interming. And it's just a whole bunch of

[Mandy B]

intermingling where the real problem is, yes, this sounds nuts, but the reality is people just don't want to have the conversations about what dynamics they're actually accepting, signing up for and are in. And in order to be held. Be honest with yourself, you're okay sharing a nigga.

[Jamila]

Yeah, but the.

[Mandy B]

And as men, you are committed to actually caring about women, but you're also sleeping with women that you care about

[Jamila]

and don't care about, but they also. It's. The thing is, we would love to have an honest conversation. We would love to open the doors of the church for everybody to do this. However, it only ever benefits the man because men are not equally, most of the time, okay with women doing the same thing. Cause I guarantee you, I guarantee you same thing with Neo and all his family. He don't want them to have extra niggas.

[Mandy B]

That's polygamy. But, baby, I am living proof both my boyfriends know about each other. And when I go out and meet other niggas, they are okay to be boyfriend number three. I'm open with them.

[Jamila]

But those are the people that you are having open conversations with about being open with that the situation that he is dealing with, the niggas who are like that, I guarantee you he is very controlling over the women that he's dating.

[Mandy B]

And guess who's signing to be Akon girlfriend number three, four, five, six. Women, they are okay with this behavior. They are okay with this rhetoric.

[Jason]

Tradition is going to.

[Mandy B]

Which is the problem. Women are okay.

[Jason]

Tradition is going to kill everybody.

[Mandy B]

Women are also okay being a part of a harem. Floyd Mayweather has multiple Louville was out here with both of his girlfriends. Like at the end of the day, women actually don't have a problem with sharing niggas. So when men come out and say this stuff, there was over 13,000 copies comments of women acting like they were so upset. You sharing a right now.

[Jason Rodriguez]

And I'm so. If I can add a note on some ain't some men know, I think and we said this, we had a patriarchy episode.

[Mandy B]

We did.

[Jason Rodriguez]

Like it's like episode four. I think patriarchy has men so up that they don't even know what they want from themselves. They just know they don't. They, they just know what they don't want women to have.

[Mandy B]

Yeah, right.

[Jason Rodriguez]

So like a, like Akon, like he don't give a about like he doesn't love women. Women. He don't even love himself. Right. He just don't want women to go and do some shit that he wants to do for himself. And then he'll go into his bag and say like, oh, it's nature though.

[Jason]

And to Jamila's point earlier, like, that's where you get that MAGA pipeline, right? That's where you get that conservative pipeline. Because they feel the reason we have Trump is the exact same thing you just said. They don't want things for themselves. They just know what they want everyone else not to have. And that's exactly the logic. It applies on any level. You use it on it's excuse to be selfish.

[Jamila]

And I would be willing to bet money that Akon is conservative politically. I would bet my bottom dollar. I don't know if he's an American citizen in order to vote, but if he was able to vote, I guarantee you he would be a Trump supporter for sure. Because all of these things are connected. When there are specific. When I hear people have specific talking points that a lot of people won't even assume are quote unquote political. Everything is political.

[Mandy B]

I'm glad Akon City never got built. $6 billion project down the drain. No Wakanda forever for us. Anyways, this was fun. This was a lot. This was a lot of topics.

[Jason Rodriguez]

Whoa.

[Mandy B]

I'm gonna have to minimize it to three topics. Shit. Jason, thank you for joining us this week.

[Jason Rodriguez]

You can, you can have it.

[Mandy B]

I need my marrow card. Thank you for also being an active father. We appreciate your kind.

[Jamila]

Need that.

[Mandy B]

Jason, where can people catch you? You doing CNN or anything.

[Jason]

I did it last weekend, so they probably will call me back the weekend after period. They usually two weeks in between, period. But yeah, I'll be back on CNN a couple weeks. Catch me on here.

[Mandy B]

Hello.

[Jason]

Catch me on the social.

[Mandy B]

Hello on the social. Talking shit.

[Jason]

Got some other shit.

[Mandy B]

The way I'm about to respond to all this shit. You know what? And this episode's not getting clipped up for the Internet. I think we'll just talk about, you

[Jamila]

know, shame me this bitch good. These good clips right here.

[Jason]

Oh, there.

[Mandy B]

There was several good clips.

[Jason]

There's some good clips in here that won't.

[Jamila]

There's several good clips.

[Jason]

There's some.

[Mandy B]

I should have been off camera like a. Where can everybody catch you and support you?

[Jamila]

Of course I'm on socials everywhere. Underscore I Jamila on the Unhinged no More podcast every Thursday, period. You can catch me on Tubi very soon with the Airport by Kevin Stage coming out. I don't know when it's coming out.

[Jason]

I'm looking forward to seeing that. I see so much all the time of different stuff, and I'm like, I'm excited.

[Mandy B]

It looked really cute. It looked really cute. He had all the influence on. That's why I said, girl, you got to get me to get on some skits so can start asking me to

[Jamila]

be in t movies.

[Mandy B]

I want to be in Tubi movies.

[Jamila]

I do.

[Mandy B]

Y' all holla at me. I could be server number three. It's fine. You fine. You could be.

[Jason]

You could be kink master number one.

[Mandy B]

All right, see, here we go. Not too much, y'.

[Jamila]

All.

[Mandy B]

Thank y' all for tuning in. As always. Make sure you subscribe wherever you are listening, whether that's on the audio platforms or on YouTube. Make sure you subscribe, make sure you rate, make sure you comment. Make sure you join us over on our Instagram. That's Selective Ignorance pod. And y', all, this is another episode of the Selective Ignorance, where curiosity lives, controversy thrives, and conversations matter. See you next week. Selective Ignorance, a production of the Black Effect Podcast network. For more podcasts from iHeartRadio, visit the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you listen to your favorite shows.

[Jason Rodriguez]

Thanks for tuning in. The Selective Ignorance with Mandy B. Selective Ignorance is executive produced by Mandy B. And it's a full Court Media Studio production. With lead producers Jason Rodriguez, that's me, and Aaron A. King Howard. Now, do us a favor and rate, subscribe, comment and share wherever you get your favorite podcast. And be sure to follow Selective Ignorance on Instagram at Selective. Underscore ignorant. And of course, if you're not following our host, Mandy B. Make sure you're following her at Full Court Pumps. Now if you want the full video experience of Selective, make sure you subscribe to the Patreon. It's patreon.com SelectiveIgnorance it's your girl, Mandy B.

[Mandy B]

And you just checked out my new podcast, Selective Ignorance. If you enjoyed this episode, make sure you head on over and hit that subscribe button and check out Selective Ignorance every Tuesday and every Friday wherever you listen to your favorite podcast. Yes, it's me again.

[Jason]

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[Mandy B]

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[Jamila]

Yeah, yeah.

[Mandy B]

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[Jamila]

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