Selective Ignorance: Ep. 62 | Breakups, Bending & Broke America feat. Jamila Bell

Summary

Podcast Summary: Decisions, Decisions – "Selective Ignorance: Ep. 62 | Breakups, Bending & Broke America feat. Jamila Bell"

Date: May 5, 2026
Hosts: Mandy B., Mandy V., Jason, Jamila Bell, with contributions by WheezyWTF

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Episode Overview

This unfiltered, wide-ranging episode of Decisions, Decisions traverses hot-button topics with signature humor and candor. Mandy B., Mandy V., and their panel—joined by guest Jamila Bell—delve into everything from NBA playoffs drama and high-profile celebrity breakups to complex cross-cultural conversation, sexual norms, and sobering commentary on American classism and the collapse of Spirit Airlines. Key moments include a deep (and often hilarious) analysis of the Meg Thee Stallion & Klay Thompson breakup, an outraged breakdown of Boston Richie's abuse allegations, and a broader discussion of societal double standards in relationships, sexual openness, and economic mobility.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Gen X to Gen Z: Social Media & Festival Culture

Timestamps: 13:21–16:16

• Jamila shares her experiences from the Black Effect Festival, highlighting generational differences in how media virality is perceived.

  • Notable moment: Younger panelists asked Charlamagne, “How did you know something went viral before the Internet?” leading to laughs and revealing generational divides ([13:38])
  • Panel had a larger audience than expected, showing crowd's genuine engagement during non-headliner daytime slots

• Commentary on festival scheduling—headliners often should play midday to maximize crowd interest as festivalgoers tire by evening ([15:25]).

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2. International Travel & Elitism: Black Diaspora, Developing Nations, and Vacation Preferences

Timestamps: 20:19–36:57

• Mandy V. reflects on a recent Carnival trip to Ghana and unpacks culture clash: The conservative, Christian Ghanaian locals were highly critical of carnival’s Caribbean dance and dress. Mandy, who is Jamaican, was surprised by the negative reception from fellow Black people ("take these demons off our land" – [23:07]).

• The panel addresses the deeper roots of this pushback: deep religious conservatism in many West African countries ([24:05], [25:19]).

• Mandy critiques the lived experience of “developing” (third world) countries for Western tourists, sparking a robust debate about entitlement, vacation expectations, and post-colonial realities:

  • “A third world country won't be seeing me unless I’m building a school.” – Mandy V. ([27:09])
  • Jamila calls out the double standards and points to colonization as a root factor in infrastructure challenges ([29:44], [30:03]).

• Conversation frequently circles back to class and privilege in travel, with honesty and humor (“Why do I have to bring my luggage to the front? Where’s the butler?” – Mandy V., [31:44]; “But Jamaica is a developing country, too…” – Jamila, [31:54])

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3. NBA Playoffs & "Face of the NBA" Banter

Timestamps: 42:04–53:51

• The show's regulars and Jamila break down recent playoff games, roast each other about team allegiances (lots of Knicks vs. Atlanta banter), and poke fun at the performative side of fandom.

  • “This is the championship for the Knicks…” – Jason, [46:04]
  • “Y’all need to figure this out because Philly shouldn’t have won their series.” – Jason, [46:32]

• Debates over who is or could be the “face of the NBA” now that LeBron is nearing retirement; skepticism about PR-driven picks and the impact of off-court drama.

  • “They’re trying to make Anthony Edwards [the face],” “I thought it was LeBron.” ([50:25], [50:27])
  • Candid discussion of double standards in sports PR, especially when past allegations surface.

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4. Meg Thee Stallion & Klay Thompson Breakup: Internet, Gender, and Pattern Recognition

Timestamps: 53:53–76:22

Initial Reactions

• The Internet erupts as Meg posts details of cheating and “cold feet” by Klay Thompson ([54:58]).
  • “Cheating had me around your whole family… got ‘cold feet’... now you don’t know if you can be monogamous. Bitch, I need a real break after this one.” – Meg’s IG post, read by Mandy V., [54:58–55:25]

Panel’s Perspective Split:

• Jamila: Cheating isn't the worst thing but still matters emotionally; society minimizes female pain in breakups ([56:59], [57:42]).
• Mandy V.: Cautions that women often ignore red flags when men have public histories of cheating. Calls out the “delusion” that women believe “I’ll be the one he changes for.” ([59:00])

Pattern & Accountability:

• The “pick better men” vs. “men should just do better” argument is dissected ([68:30]; Summer Walker quote, [67:53]).
• Mandy asserts, “At what point do we take accountability for the type of niggas that we also do pick?” ([70:55]).
• Jamila pushes back, noting that emotional and sexual growth, and even cheating, may be stages some people outgrow ([71:32]), but calls for shifting the “accountability” conversation more onto men as cheaters are excused too often.

Monogamy vs. Non-Monogamy: Gendered Double Standard

• Spicy debate about whether “non-monogamy” is a genuine excuse or just a new language for cheating:
  • “These niggas just discovered the word non-monogamous to justify their cheating.” – Jamila, [76:38]
  • “There’s a poly [relationship] umbrella... but most men using it would not want women to do the same.” ([78:24])
• Honesty prized, but trust is broken if the conversation about non-monogamy only starts after getting caught.

Fame, Proximity, and “Type”:

• Does dating within fame/proximity constitute “having a type” or simply reflect the circle one moves in? Lively examples discuss whether Meg’s “type” is systematically problematic ([94:00–97:17]).
• Both men and women with privilege/wealth frequently practice "proximity dating," and many athletes, rappers, and millionaires date women with lower economic mobility due to availability and convenience, not necessarily compatibility ([98:10–99:20]).

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5. “Celebrity Say the Darnest Things”: Boston Richie Scandal

Timestamps: 105:25–119:15

Summary of Allegations:

• Boston Richie accused by an ex of serial domestic abuse, grooming, sexual coercion (including pegging), and pedophilia—DMs with 15-year-old girls are shown ([106:13]-[107:48]).
• Public and online reactions center disproportionately on “pegging” (implying homosexuality) rather than focusing on abuse or child exploitation.
  • “The Internet only cares about whether or not pegging equals gay, not that he’s beating and trafficking girls.” ([108:23])
  • “We have to keep saying children… you will never ever hear me defend a grown-ass person dating or having sex with children.” – Jamila, [109:42]

Panel’s Reaction:

• Firm condemnation of public shaming being insufficient, especially around grooming and the dangers of social media for young girls ([116:03], [117:00]).
• Mandy urges parents to have real conversations about predatory behavior, emphasizing how celebrity and “blue check” culture lowers defenses against dangerous men.

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6. “This is America”: White House Correspondents' Dinner Shooting and Spirit Airlines’ Collapse

Timestamps: 123:30–128:43, 128:46–139:43

Dinner Shooting:

• The team debates whether the White House dinner shooting was real, staged, or manipulated–trust in government and security is at an all-time low ([123:34–127:08]).
• Mandy and Jamila both emphasize that “nothing adds up,” demonstrating deep skepticism and broader conspiratorial fatigue.

Spirit Airlines: Economic Fallout & Middle Class Decline

• Spirit’s shutdown triggers wide discussion on classism, accessibility, and the American “middle class myth.”
  • “Capitalism only feeds off of the exploitation of poor people. That is how capitalism works.” – Jamila, [128:46]
  • “If you have had the opportunity to go abroad, baby, you can get from different countries for less than $200…We can’t even get across our own country for less than a grand.” – Mandy V., [135:57]
• The panel breaks down how deregulation, political lobbying, and privatization drive inequality; urgent calls for structural reforms (lobbying restrictions, term limits, de-privatizing healthcare/education, etc.) ([136:33–139:43]).

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• Cross-cultural colorism in Ghana:
  “Take these demons off of our land... These naked heathens should not be here.” – Locals’ reaction, paraphrased by Mandy V. & Jamila ([23:07], [23:10])

• On hard vacation realities:
  “I have to come out thousands and thousands of dollars to have my friends celebrate me… If I’m going to travel 19 hours… I just want to feel like I am relaxed from the hellhole of what life is here.” – Mandy V., [12:08], [33:01]

• On cheating and emotional abuse:
  “Cheating is still abusive, but not as abusive as getting punched in your face.” – Jamila, [57:14]
  “We give men the cop out: ‘He’s in the league, of course he’ll cheat…’ but if a woman is single, no one calls [her] a slut.” – Jamila, [58:22]

• On double standards in non-monogamy:
  “These niggas just discovered the word non-monogamous to justify their cheating.” – Jamila, [76:38]
  “If Megan cheated on Clay… we would not have the same reaction.” – Jamila, [78:32]

• On Boston Richie’s lack of denial:
  “Nigga ain’t never said, ‘I ain’t do that shit.’” – Jamila, [115:14]

• On class & economic opportunity:
  “Capitalism is the end all be all to evil and you are never going to escape it… We have to uproot these systems.” – Jamila, [130:52]

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Important Segment Timestamps

• Black Effect Festival recap & generational media takes: [13:21–16:16]
• Ghana Carnival, colorism, and vacation expectations: [20:19–36:57]
• NBA playoffs, fandom & the “face of the NBA”: [42:04–53:51]
• Meg Thee Stallion/Klay Thompson breakup dissected: [53:53–76:22]
• Non-monogamy debate & gendered cheating norms: [76:22–97:02]
• Celebrity Say The Darnest Things (Boston Richie): [105:25–119:15]
• White House dinner shooting skepticism: [123:30–127:08]
• Spirit Airlines, class, and American capitalism: [128:46–139:43]

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Tone & Language

The discussion is raw, lively, humorous, and no-holds-barred, with explicit language and cultural references true to the hosts and their largely Black millennial/Gen Z audience. The panel doesn’t shy away from calling out hypocrisy, both in society and within themselves. The tone is conversational and dynamic, moving smoothly between hot takes, personal anecdotes, and thoughtful social critique.

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Takeaways for New Listeners

• Decisions, Decisions pushes listeners to question norms—about relationships, money, sex, travel, and community.
• The panel meaningfully centers Black experiences, challenging both mainstream and internalized prejudices.
• You’ll hear real talk about pop culture headlines, relationship advice, and the grind of surviving capitalism, delivered with humor and biting honesty.
• If you’re unafraid of controversial opinions and want something more than clickbait or influencer platitudes, this episode delivers in spades.

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Transcript

[Jamila]

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[Mandy V.]

Hey guys, welcome to another episode of Selective Ignorance. However, before we get to this week's episode, I want to remind you guys to purchase my book no Holds Barred, a dual manifesto of sexual exploration and power. So feel free to go to your local bookstores, preferably queer owned, black owned or woman owned, to support them, but also just click the button on Amazon, Barnes and Nobles or wherever you read your books. Again, that is no Holds Barred, a dual manifesto of sexual exploration and power written by yours truly and my Co host of the Decisions Decisions podcast. Wheezy. Make sure y' all get that. Now let's get to this week's episode. This is Mandy B. Welcome to Selective Ignorance, a production of the Black Effect podcast network and iHeartradio. Welcome to Selective Ignorance with me, your host, Mandy V. Boy, are we getting into some things this week. This is not a sports podcast, but we are going to start off with our thoughts on the NBA playoffs round one and round two. Predictions and woo A King and Ja have an ATL versus New York convo coming up. Then, of course, it would not be the sports segment without talking about da da da da Meg thee Stallion and Klay Thompson breakup. The Internet has been ablaze over the last week with a ton of different layers and conversations around this relationship that somehow we all somehow care about now. So we're gonna get into the layers in that before we get into. Celebrities say the darnest things. And this time, it wasn't really the celebrity that said anything. It was the girlfriend of Boston Richie, who recently called out Boston Richie for liking to do the bending, as well as a lot of abuse allegations that we're gonna get into. And then for this is America, White House correspondence dinner shooting. Or was it. Was it AI? Was it set up? Was it. We'll find out in the next episode of Dragon Ball Z. And then, of course, Spirit Airlines has officially shut down, prompting a lot of elitist conversations. We're getting to all this. This episode, I am warning you now, will be very ignorant with a lot of different opinions. So please sit back, enjoy, take your blood pressure medicine if you need to, because we may, you know, lift your blood pressure here. It's another episode of Selective Ignorance. I'm your host, Mandy V. And I'm joined by my super producer, one R. Jason is not here this week, but he'll be back with us next week. But we do got, you know, OG pod legend, a king in the building, Mr. Nicks himself, BK all day.

[Mandy B.]

Oh, all that. Yeah.

[Jason]

Yeah.

[Mandy B.]

You like that?

[Mandy V.]

You like that?

[Mandy B.]

I love it. I love it.

[Mandy V.]

You know.

[Mandy B.]

You know, hey, man, select the ignorance we back. You know what I'm saying? What up, family?

[Mandy V.]

Are you ready to give your. You're not on camera this time.

[Mandy B.]

No, I'm not on camera. I'm not on camera today.

[Mandy V.]

So I need you to give us.

[Mandy B.]

Y' all have better of somebody else. That's, you know, listen, we'll shout her out in a second. Listen.

[Mandy V.]

And I have to also. I got called out. I got called out on the Discord about you.

[Jason]

Oh.

[Mandy V.]

Oh, yeah.

[Mandy B.]

Wait.

[Mandy V.]

First off, they said they love your take so much. They said, this is who I like every time I disagree with you, Mandy. She was right. And also, they were like, why did it take me 15 minutes to know who the hell this other voice was? So I have to give her a better proper introduction. But before we get to her, I do have, you know, the king of headlines, Jason Ja Ali Pod blessing all the yap niggas. The birthday boy.

[Jason]

It was last week.

[Mandy V.]

Yes.

[Jamila]

Happy birthday.

[Jason]

Happy belated.

[Mandy V.]

We'll talk about that. We went to his very mature game night for his birthday celebration.

[Mandy B.]

Grown folks game night.

[Jason]

Grown folks.

[Mandy V.]

My neurodivergence showed up like hell.

[Mandy B.]

Hey, so, Jamila, a little bit. Did I say your name right today?

[Jamila]

Yeah, you did, Jamila.

[Mandy B.]

Cause I don't ever want to be in that predicament. Yo, Mandy's a good spades partner.

[Mandy V.]

Really?

[Jamila]

What y' all should.

[Jason]

Oh, we was cooking.

[Jamila]

Don't do this.

[Mandy V.]

Don't do this. By the way, I was my mama. Yes, my mama white, but she know spades. Cause she wasn't white women around. But I was my mama spades partner. Early. Okay. 10, 11. Y' all know the birthday parties for the 1 and 2 and 3 year olds? It was really an adult party, of course. So played spades, you know, a long time, and this was my first time having a king as a partner. And we did what needed to be done.

[Jason]

Okay.

[Mandy B.]

And could have did more.

[Mandy V.]

And could have did more.

[Mandy B.]

And that's not even a bad thing. It was just like, yo.

[Mandy V.]

And also, mind you, I'm sitting here killing my sauvignon blanc. And so I was a little, you know, I messed up on two books, and I was like, oh, fuck. But I brought it back, okay? I brought it back.

[Mandy B.]

And when she did, I was like, it's okay.

[Jason]

We good.

[Mandy V.]

We going running back. And we did that. We ate.

[Jamila]

That's what I like to hear. We got to keep the spades alive now.

[Mandy V.]

We have to.

[Jason]

That's a recipe we can't afford to lose.

[Mandy B.]

And uno spades and uno.

[Jamila]

Yeah, and domino's already on his way out. People don't know how to play them domino's.

[Jason]

How many you think more people get shot over spades or dominoes?

[Mandy V.]

Domino's is

[Mandy B.]

the problem with dominoes is then the rules get changed every.

[Jamila]

Yeah, that's like a family defense has

[Jason]

bad PR for, like, popping off during the spades game. But I feel like dominoes might be the problem.

[Mandy B.]

Where you. The reneging yeah, yeah. If you got somebody that said they're going to partner.

[Mandy V.]

Oh, no, no, no. That's why when you keep score, you got to do the bags and make.

[Jason]

I definitely play bags. Everybody doesn't know about bags, but I know about bags. I don't like niggas underbidding. Count your hands and count your books. Yeah, yeah, don't bag me.

[Mandy B.]

But the over underbid is determinant upon the possibles. That's why they're possible.

[Jason]

You gotta read the game, look at the game, do the math and say to. Is this really five or is this really six?

[Mandy B.]

But see, you got to factor in when the opponent.

[Jason]

That's when the opponent comes in.

[Mandy B.]

When they say they got five, but

[Jamila]

they got two be lying.

[Jason]

That's why we play bags. Because I'm not with that shit. We gonna take that 100 points. You keep underbidding. We taking that 100 points.

[Mandy V.]

Oh, yeah. We would have been keeping score. That would have been crazy. We set y' all niggas.

[Jason]

It wasn't my fault.

[Mandy B.]

No, it wasn't. It wasn't. It wasn't.

[Mandy V.]

It wasn't.

[Mandy B.]

I got my books and then.

[Mandy V.]

Let me. Let me, uh.

[Mandy B.]

O. Oh, she wrote a monologue.

[Mandy V.]

The fourth mic that y' all are hearing this week. The other woman's voice, who you know, will check me if she feels that I am talking out of the left side of my ass cheek. We have writer, director, one half of the Unhinged and Immoral podcast. She's a little bit more than a skitter. She's a comedian.

[Jamila]

Skitter is crazy. That sound nasty. That sound nasty. They scattered.

[Mandy V.]

Listen, we have Jamila in the building and she is here to be the other. I said other. Voice of reason. Maybe the voice of reason

[Jamila]

from a

[Mandy V.]

younger perspective just found out she had a MySpace. So I'm really shocked at that. And I really love that you get to speak for.

[Jamila]

You know, I'm a young old hoe. Yeah, I see multiple times. Yeah, old hoe.

[Mandy V.]

A young old hoe. But no, thank you for coming and I know that I wasn't here last week, so let's start up with some catch ups here again.

[Jason]

45th birthday, 45 of them.

[Mandy V.]

God damn. You owed somebody.

[Jamila]

So hold on.

[Mandy B.]

I just wanna say you had told us your age, Jameela, before we started the show, the great Shawn Carter gave us hovmath at the time and he said 30 is the new 20. So by that logic, Ja's 35 and you, my dear, is 20 years old.

[Mandy V.]

N. She's 15. She's not even 30 yet.

[Mandy B.]

She can't drink. She can't drink.

[Mandy V.]

She is underage.

[Jamila]

And it's just like. Okay. Like, I mean, nobody ever knows how old I am. And I do like that about me. I just, you know, I could be however old. Some people think I'm older than I am. Some people think I'm younger than I am.

[Mandy V.]

When do you turn 30?

[Jamila]

May 30th. It's my glory.

[Mandy B.]

Oh, Big Gemini. Big Gemini.

[Jason]

Yeah.

[Mandy V.]

How. But you 30 now.

[Jamila]

Yeah.

[Mandy V.]

Yeah.

[Jamila]

I'm so excited.

[Mandy V.]

How do you. How do you plan on celebrating it?

[Jamila]

Tba, but in a big way.

[Mandy B.]

Let's get it.

[Jamila]

I'm definitely planning a party.

[Mandy B.]

Let's get it.

[Mandy V.]

Can I ask you? Because I'm still dealing with therapy and the trauma of not being able to celebrate my 35th because my friends was broke. So do you have friends that get to actually what they was? I don't give a fuck. I am going through the grieving process.

[Mandy B.]

I find it hard to believe. Because you find it hard to believe

[Jamila]

you couldn't have a birthday party because

[Mandy V.]

your friends was broke because none of them could fly themselves anywhere.

[Jamila]

Why you ain't do a domestic?

[Mandy B.]

Oh, so what about your domestic friends? Here we go now we going to break it up.

[Jamila]

You know what I'm saying? Why we got to go do boss?

[Mandy B.]

But also, she trying to say to her.

[Mandy V.]

No, but that's what. So that's what I'm saying. I'm big domestically.

[Mandy B.]

So your domestic friends are broke.

[Mandy V.]

Miami first off, Miami being big domestically. Ghetto. So your domestic funds are broken.

[Jamila]

You're fighting Elise. Isn't really hard. This is your second week in a row.

[Mandy B.]

Damn. What is it gonna take to do a birthday party for you?

[Mandy V.]

So, no, I mean, we did the Charcoe board thing coming out. You said, what.

[Mandy B.]

What's the budget?

[Mandy V.]

What I didn't want to do is have to come out thousands and thousands of dollars. We would've had my friends celebrate me. I literally wanted to do Mexico.

[Jamila]

Okay.

[Mandy B.]

Oh, so you wanna go away?

[Mandy V.]

How do you. Yes. I wanted to get on a motherfucking plane.

[Jamila]

Okay.

[Mandy B.]

Okay.

[Jamila]

My friend did Mexico for her 30th. I mean, the thing is all.

[Mandy V.]

I did it for my 30th, actually.

[Jamila]

Yeah. All turning 30. So it's been like.

[Jason]

Oh, shit.

[Jamila]

It's been shindig after bing bong, boom. Like, it's a big year for all of us, you know, for our 95, 96ers. It's very big stuff. So we went to Mexico When I, you know, got kidnapped for her birthday,

[Jason]

I was gonna say, was that the same story?

[Jamila]

Yeah, yeah. That was literally in December. And then we went to LA for my other best friend's 30th birthday, and we went to go see the Lakers. He's a boy. So that was like.

[Mandy V.]

He's a boy.

[Jamila]

Yeah. He was like, I just need to see LeBron play once in life. And we did.

[Mandy V.]

That was our first time seeing him play.

[Jamila]

Yeah.

[Mandy V.]

Oh, wow.

[Mandy B.]

That's dope.

[Jamila]

Yeah. So that was fun. We had a good time. And then now it's my turn.

[Mandy V.]

Yeah.

[Jamila]

I have.

[Mandy V.]

This is a. I have one friend celebrating her 30th this year, but all of my friends are celebrating their 40th this year. I'm the youngest of my friends now. These bitches unknown.

[Mandy B.]

Don't worry.

[Mandy V.]

You calm down.

[Jamila]

I still got four years, bro, before

[Jason]

I get to 40.

[Mandy B.]

Listen, the way this administration is going, everybody's aging quicker.

[Mandy V.]

Mm. So as long as I don't look it. Okay. Anyways, this past weekend, y' all all also went to the Black Effect Festival.

[Mandy B.]

Yep. Yep.

[Mandy V.]

Shout out to Charlamagne. Shout out to the Black Fett.

[Jason]

Yep.

[Mandy V.]

You know, we over on the Black Fett. How was it? You were. You were on stage. What was the conversation? What was the. What was the best thing you remember giving as far as advice and the people that you.

[Jamila]

I'm not gonna lie, I kind of ate that panel. Oh, my God. Like, I was really just talking, talking, talking.

[Mandy B.]

What was this panel about?

[Jamila]

The panel was Gen X to Gen Z. Kind of just talking about how media has changed, how we can use advantage, all the things, you know, tips and tricks and whatnot. I think the questions were very well curated for each of us. Like, we all had a moment to shine, like, and do our big one, but then also kind of give, like, a perspective of just social media. One of the funniest moments to me on that panel was when our host, Antoinette, asked Charlamagne, how do you. How did you know back in the day when something went viral, because it wasn't on the Internet. But it was so fucking funny because she was so deadass. So she was representing Gen Z. She was the youngest on the panel. And I. That was a really funny question, but it was also, like, damn, I never thought about that. But that was the thing. Like, he was kind of stumped on answering it. Cause it was like, damn, virality was different. So that was fun. And also, no, Shay. I thought because we were, like, the first panel, we weren't Gonna have the biggest crowd. We actually had the biggest crowd of

[Jason]

the way out there.

[Mandy V.]

Right. So. And that's something that I've noticed a lot with festivals in general. Like, I remember a couple years ago we did the Roots picnic, Weezy and I for Decisions, decisions. And we went on right before a million dollars worth of game. And baby, we had a cry. And we felt a little bit away that we wasn't headlining. But it's okay. We in Philly.

[Jamila]

I get it.

[Mandy V.]

Gillian Wallow. And when I tell you, everybody left.

[Jamila]

Yeah, but. And I a lot of times not

[Mandy V.]

empty, but I was like, oh, the same happens. But because you have to realize with festivals you want to get your money's worth. Right. The festival starts at 12, 1 o'. Clock.

[Jamila]

Yeah.

[Mandy V.]

The headliner doesn't come on till 6 or 7. By that time, by that time, people tired, people want to go eat. It's dinner time. And so like that's been a thing with, with a lot of festivals, especially when you have podcast stages. It's like, okay, the headliners really probably should go on midday.

[Jamila]

Yeah.

[Mandy V.]

Cause that's when the most people are there.

[Jamila]

Yeah.

[Mandy B.]

Don't underestimate the value and the intelligence of the consumer. And the people who are 10, they're doing their homework.

[Jamila]

Yeah, they are.

[Mandy B.]

You know, and they going. And they're gonna visit whatever they're super interested in.

[Jason]

True.

[Jamila]

You know what I mean?

[Mandy B.]

I think that that conversation, it was a well balanced panel. It wasn't the, you know, the Pie in the sky influencer. They didn't grab too high or too low. They gave the people what the people want. You know what I mean?

[Jason]

Well, I'm interested to hear some of. I think some of that panel will probably play into when we get to the Meg and Clay thing, because I think that the. How people are reacting to it and kind of how she carried it is there's a very Gen X, Gen Z era type of thing going on with this whole behavior.

[Jamila]

Yeah.

[Jason]

So we'll talk about that.

[Mandy V.]

It is the parasocial thing that's different.

[Mandy B.]

But even in our previous episode when we Talked about the St. Martin incident, I think that you saw the different perspectives on that. So.

[Mandy V.]

Yeah, no, I'm excited to get to it.

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[Mandy V.]

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[Jamila]

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[Mandy V.]

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[Mandy V.]

See full [e-mail] Now, I do want to preface, uh. Oh, this next conversation. These are my thoughts, these are my views, these are my opinions. Um, the whole room looking like I have talked to my therapist. What's the best way to bring this to you guys? Because.

[Mandy B.]

Happy Cinco de Mayo.

[Jamila]

God damn.

[Mandy V.]

Okay, as you guys know, me and yomi just got back from Ghana. Yes,

[Jason]

We knew that Yomi was going to want no parts of what this is getting ready to be.

[Mandy V.]

So as y' all know, we like to start off the pod with ignorant shit, okay? And normally it's with ignorant thoughts, ignorant things, things that we know when we say it. Some people may feel away. So if you feel away, talk to the lady.

[Mandy B.]

Shout out to the discord.

[Mandy V.]

You know the discord.

[Mandy B.]

They're about to fry your ass.

[Mandy V.]

No, no, no, they're not. They're not. They're not. So hear me out a few things. So shout out to Carnival Kingdom. I got to experience carnival. Y' all know I've become a carnival chaser since last year. And so this is the same group that I went to Malta with last year. They also have the same thing where they bring carnival to Ibiza. And it's like, it's great. It's great, right? So juve going on the road and then all of the theme parties. Great time. This was my second time in Ghana, by the way. Now, a few things stuck out to me. Right? First part is we talk about colorism. We talk about the difference between the diasporas of blackness, the Caribbean Africans, African Americans, all the things. I was very shocked to see the Ghanaian locals talk so much shit about Carnival culture and Caribbean culture. So there was a lot of local photographers, videographers, reporters writing on Carnival coming to Ghana. This was one of the first times they had seen had been brought to the motherland. And I didn't realize how conservative they were over there, how Christian they were. Let me actually use the right C word. Let me use the right C word. But knowing the dance, Afrobeats, the way they dress is so ingrained in specifically West African culture, it was really shocking how disgusting they were in terms of the Caribbean culture. Now I'm Jamaican, so I'm like looking at this and I'm like, damn, we know white people already judge the way we are as black people, period. And so it was really unfortunate to see so many of the locals say, take these demons off of our land.

[Jamila]

These naked heathens should not be here.

[Mandy V.]

They are disgraced. The comments were so nasty. Is this what they call dancing? Cover the asses? What is happening? And it was just really like, oh, shit. For Caribbeans to be viewed at this way and our culture to be literally demeaned by another black culture. I wasn't expecting that.

[Jason]

Y' all was the YNs. Y' all was the YNs. That was funny to Y's.

[Mandy V.]

They were like the way that they were treating just things that are celebratory for us now. It was really interesting talking to also people that live there. They are the younger culture speaking of Gen Z, because they have social media and this has been something that they've been able to visually see online. They're clearly more like, let's go, let's have fun. Why do we know about this? I want to have fun. But clearly the older generation was just like, bless our land.

[Jason]

Get these demons away.

[Jamila]

Like, it was.

[Mandy V.]

It was really crazy.

[Jamila]

Very, very religious. And they don't play about anything that they even can think. Could be evil, demonic, whatever. They are very. Whenever I. Now, I'm going to take this back really quick. The first time I ever heard of somebody denouncing an organization, a Greek organization, the majority of those people were West African, specifically Nigerian. And there was one video in particular that's on. This was ago when I. Before I even got into college or right when I got into college. It was a specific video. I think it's been taken down since because it was that crazy. She was Nigerian and she recently had got back into church and she went to a church that, in my opinion, gave very much cult Vibes. Because some of the things that she was saying her pastor was telling her, I couldn't believe. And I. I tell everybody about this story because it was. I was so gagged at how people will really, like, listen and feed into shit, right? She was talking about how she started going back to church and all the things I'm like, y girl, period. Okay? She said, my pastor saw evil on me. I kid you not. This lady said that her pastor, they was doing, like, blessings or whatever. And she said she walked to her pastor. She was like, my pastor healed me of aids. And I didn't even know I had it.

[Mandy V.]

Oh, yo, girl, you lying.

[Jamila]

I swear to God, it was ridiculous. It was so bad.

[Mandy V.]

I didn't even know I had.

[Jamila]

The video was up for a while, and I think because. And it was some other stuff that was just the main thing I remember her saying she was saying. And she was dead. She started crying in the middle of the video. I was like, this baby is under psychosis.

[Mandy V.]

Was this. Was this a West African church?

[Jamila]

Yes. Oh, absolutely. And so it was so inflammatory and ridiculous. The video ended up getting muted after a while. And I think the video has been since taken down because this was years ago. This had to be at least 10 years ago. That's wild. And so a lot of the times now, this. Not all the time, because there are some denouncers that are American, too. Y'. All. All of y' all are crazy.

[Jason]

They all on threads.

[Jamila]

They all on the same time, but it's always tied to this, like, very overly Christian faith that teeters into, like, the cultish land.

[Mandy V.]

And I didn't really like seeing those comments or those thoughts. It surprised me. Now, this is the second part that I'm just gonna get into. Okay? I want to first preface this with saying your disclaimers is killing.

[Mandy B.]

How many disclaimers we got so far, Foster?

[Jamila]

Explain it, girl. Get to it.

[Mandy V.]

I want to first preface this by saying, America is a shithole right now. America is now.

[Mandy B.]

She gonna go in reverse. She gonna want to reverse it to make it. To keep it soft landing. I get it.

[Mandy V.]

I do preface with I do not believe America is just the best ever. However, I have come to the conclusion that I work very hard and. And you're trying to make the word sound okay.

[Jamila]

Like, girl, spit it out.

[Mandy V.]

A third world country won't be seeing me unless I'm building a school.

[Jamila]

Canceled.

[Mandy B.]

So are you.

[Mandy V.]

Here's the thing.

[Jamila]

So are you saying that Ghana is a third party country?

[Mandy V.]

Okay? So according to definition, it Is a low income developing country. They cannot see me either.

[Mandy B.]

Why did you look up the definition?

[Mandy V.]

Because I. Because it was.

[Jamila]

What about it?

[Mandy V.]

Specifically to get into that. By the way, Nigeria is. But right now, Ghana is listed as a developing country with ongoing challenges. Yeah.

[Mandy B.]

And you emphasize this too.

[Mandy V.]

So hear me out. Hear me out. If I'm going to travel 19 hours, if I'm going to go on a vacation, if. If I want to feel like I'm taking a break away from this hellhole of a country, I don't want to go somewhere and feel like I'm struggling and that life is hard and that. Oh, my God. Do they.

[Jamila]

Did they have running water?

[Mandy V.]

Like, why.

[Jamila]

Like, where's you. Where was you at? You're making it sound so crazy.

[Mandy V.]

That's so funny. You said running water every day. Water went out.

[Jamila]

Okay.

[Mandy V.]

Electricity went out.

[Jamila]

Okay. WI Fi, power grid issues.

[Jason]

Power grid. Yeah, yeah, Power grid.

[Mandy V.]

My was very skimp. It took me three hours to get towels.

[Jason]

Man down.

[Mandy V.]

If I really want to sound elitist right now.

[Jamila]

They had towels. That got to do with the country.

[Mandy V.]

That ain't nothing but that resort. It was the resort.

[Jamila]

Now don't put that on the country.

[Mandy V.]

Now, hold on, hold on. There's also very limited five star hotels there. But. And to get more lead as well.

[Jason]

You hear LeBron? You hear LeBron? No, we hear LeBron. You hear LeBron over here also.

[Mandy V.]

Yeah. No, Uber black. They didn't take my amex. Yes, but.

[Jamila]

Okay, girl.

[Mandy V.]

No, I had to.

[Jamila]

Just can't believe they didn't have no bills.

[Mandy V.]

That's for jokes.

[Mandy B.]

It's crazy because I'm mad. J Rod is not on this show right now, man. Now, Mandy Taylor Greene is back.

[Mandy V.]

No, I'm not. The thing is, right. I also want to see water that I could see to the bottom. They need. It needs to be like.

[Jamila]

We don't have that in the Gulf.

[Mandy V.]

Have you ever been to the Gulf? Not Mexico. Miami.

[Jason]

Miami.

[Mandy V.]

Miami got crystal clear water. I'm not Tampa, Florida. No. You go over on that side. No.

[Mandy B.]

So you're going to. Okay. Continue.

[Mandy V.]

Okay. Anyway.

[Jamila]

What does that have to do with the country?

[Mandy V.]

I say all of this to say, mind you, I've been to Nigeria before. Okay. They would have to pay me what Saudi Arabia paid Dave Chappelle to consider going back.

[Mandy B.]

So you just want to be the prime minister of Ghana?

[Mandy V.]

No, Nigeria was one of my least favorite countries.

[Mandy B.]

Oh. We just going all through the Africa.

[Mandy V.]

It's West Africa. But I don't want to say. I love South Africa, because I was

[Jamila]

going to say gorgeous.

[Mandy B.]

Nelson Mandela rested on.

[Jamila]

You know why?

[Mandy V.]

You're beautiful. You know why I want to go to Tanzania? I want to go to Senegal. There's still the Ivory coast, which, no, I think I found out that's in West Africa. So, no, not to. I don't want to do West Africa anymore.

[Jamila]

Sorry. So you don't want to touch.

[Mandy V.]

I don't want to touch what?

[Mandy B.]

Wake it up, Jamila.

[Mandy V.]

Ask the question.

[Jamila]

You don't want to touch the countries that have been decolonized. You want to go to the colonized version where the whites control everything.

[Mandy V.]

Mind you, Mind you, mind you. I went to Soweto.

[Jamila]

West Africa is developing, and it is the way that it is because of colonization.

[Mandy V.]

Okay, okay.

[Jason]

All right.

[Jamila]

They repair the Caucasian power that be understood.

[Mandy V.]

Which is why I said, this whole country and a lot of other places I gone to ain't great either. I will visit in 20 years when they.

[Jason]

When they put up the verse in Niagara.

[Mandy V.]

Get her, y'. All.

[Jamila]

Get her.

[Mandy V.]

Okay, to be fair, let me take this away from the motherland. I have also been very adamant that Cuba won't be seeing me. Really understanding that they were under the rain that they were under, and we weren't even allowed to go there.

[Jamila]

I'm saying. So you've never been to Cuba?

[Mandy V.]

Well, I've had friends that's gone to Cuba and let me know how it's still developing. I don't want to go.

[Jamila]

So you have prefaced by saying you travel to other countries for the luxury vacation of it all.

[Mandy V.]

If I want to travel on vacation and spend my money.

[Jamila]

Okay, yes.

[Mandy V.]

If I'm going for research purposes, school project again, to go to school and give back.

[Jamila]

So you want to be able

[Mandy V.]

to.

[Jamila]

Wait, wait.

[Mandy B.]

Let me ask you something.

[Mandy V.]

It shouldn't be a bad take, bro. How I spend my money. I shouldn't have to go to another country and, like, get high off of a goddamn edible and start crying about how difficult this trip has been.

[Jason]

But wait, to be clear, this wasn't vacation, right?

[Jamila]

You cried, I cried.

[Mandy V.]

I bawled. I said, where's the butler?

[Mandy B.]

Why do I have to bring my

[Mandy V.]

luggage to the front?

[Jason]

The butler.

[Mandy V.]

Ask for a butler.

[Jason]

There's gonna be a great show like

[Mandy V.]

Ben C. I'm not making this a clip, but to me, I don't think that there's anything bad with saying, we

[Jamila]

work really hard, but Jamaica is a developing country, too. Do you say it's Jamaica?

[Mandy B.]

I'm Jamaican, Jamila. You are. Why we should.

[Jamila]

I'M just. Cause you said yes, right. Jamaica's a developing country as well.

[Mandy V.]

I can see down to the water.

[Mandy B.]

Hold on, hold on, wait.

[Jamila]

But, but when you're talking about water, right? The o. You can't. The ocean that you cannot use the ocean.

[Mandy V.]

It wasn't the main thing. But also when I go to Jamaica, like roads, the roads are built. There's everywhere traffic. Where I go, I don't be in St. Catherine. I don't be in the townships.

[Jamila]

So you don't even go where your family stay?

[Mandy V.]

I go to Montego Bay in the grill, bitch. Yeah, period. But wait, what I'm saying is when I go on vacation, when I go on a trip, when I spend my hard earned money, when I travel, getting to Ghana took 19 hours one way, 40 something coming back. Okay. So when I take this amount of time to go somewhere, I just want to feel like, whew, I am relaxed from the hellhole of what life is here. And so to go somewhere and feel like I'm struggling or it's hard.

[Jamila]

Did you really feel like you were struggling though?

[Mandy V.]

Yes.

[Jamila]

What was the struggle?

[Mandy V.]

What?

[Jamila]

This seems very dramatic. This seems dramatic to me because I haven't really heard any. Okay. I understand power grid issues. Understandable.

[Mandy B.]

I think it was the expectation.

[Jamila]

Right? You thought, you thought. You told me the Queen is Amunda.

[Mandy B.]

The Gilded age. Yes, she thought of her gilded Age. Okay, good point, good point.

[Mandy V.]

My first experience, I went there. I stayed at a five star resort with a butler. My. I had a driver that drove me around in a Maybach. I went with a billionaire. So now if I go to a developing country, I have to be with a billionaire.

[Mandy B.]

So he benefited.

[Jason]

Hold on.

[Jamila]

But you said that there weren't any five star resorts.

[Mandy V.]

No. So how did you find that there

[Jamila]

was a five star this time?

[Mandy V.]

The Kempinski and the one why you

[Jamila]

ain't go to the five star. This.

[Mandy V.]

Because I got booked. I was there with a. My accommodations were covered and I was with a group.

[Jamila]

So.

[Jason]

Hold on, hold on, hold on. This was over.

[Jamila]

You was covered and you were still complaining. Now that's that white privilege.

[Mandy B.]

Well, I still came out of pocket for shit.

[Jamila]

Oh.

[Mandy V.]

So.

[Jason]

But that's the part that I was trying to make. Cause like this was a work trip. This wasn't a vacation.

[Mandy V.]

This was a work trip. No, no, no.

[Mandy B.]

We talking about Manny Taylor Greene. But the thing is now, what if those scenarios was reversed? What if the second experience was the first and the first was the second? Would that have been.

[Mandy V.]

Oh, no. Because let's be very clear. I enjoyed Ghana the last time I went there.

[Mandy B.]

Right. Cause you had a billionaire benefactor of college.

[Mandy V.]

I had a billionaire benefactor. Not for me. It was my friend, y'. All. I was just a plus one. Let y' all know.

[Mandy B.]

Was he black?

[Mandy V.]

He was, nigga. Ghana.

[Jamila]

Yes.

[Mandy V.]

I ain't gonna hold on.

[Mandy B.]

Oh, he's a Ghanaian billionaire.

[Mandy V.]

It took days to see white people in Ghana.

[Mandy B.]

He's scamming good man.

[Jason]

That sounds funny.

[Mandy V.]

And then that's how they don't belong there. And then what's crazy is they left my luggage in Istanbul. So we had to go back up to the airport, and we saw a line of 30 whites at the airport, me and Yobi. And we were like, now what the fuck are they doing here? They about to come over and colonize us.

[Jason]

They trying to figure out some shit. They trying to figure out how to get them. Yeah.

[Mandy B.]

Ghanaians probably looked at you and thought the same. I'm just saying. In comparison to what they used to seeing every day.

[Jamila]

Yeah.

[Mandy V.]

Yomi said she looked out of place. Overall, Ghana was still my second.

[Jamila]

So you didn't have fun? I seen you bouncing that ass on Instagram.

[Mandy B.]

Everybody like, bop, bop, everybody. I was like, it was up about it.

[Mandy V.]

So again, I love carnival parties, carnival culture, everything that I was a part of within our group. Setting path.

[Jamila]

How was the food

[Mandy B.]

you ate with your hands?

[Mandy V.]

That's another thing I hate when I'm going to other countries because even Jamaica be doing this sometimes. I want local food if I'm there. And because now tourism is a thing in Ghana, nigga, I don't want fucking noodles and chicken.

[Jason]

Resort food is trash.

[Mandy V.]

But I don't want your take on American food when I'm here.

[Mandy B.]

You know why that I took five

[Mandy V.]

days to get okra soup, which is like my favorite. And I know it's Nigerian, but there's a Ghanaian version. I love fufu. They have bancoo. They have like. And I love local food. It just took forever. So we pretty much ate rice and chicken the whole time. Jolof.

[Jamila]

Yeah.

[Jason]

Damn.

[Mandy B.]

Well, I do say. I do give you. I do give you 50 points. Because you knew. She didn't know all of the food references and she pronounced it.

[Jamila]

They didn't have pasta. I bet we're gonna go there. No, no, no.

[Mandy B.]

She said they had food.

[Mandy V.]

They love ethnic. I don't even. American food is on my bottom. Along with Mexican tacos, which is crazy.

[Mandy B.]

Mexican food is great reserve.

[Mandy V.]

I'm sorry. I never wake up and say, oh, I want tacos today.

[Jason]

Oh, I say, yeah. Multiple times per day. I might say I want to talk. Yeah.

[Jamila]

I love Mexican food.

[Mandy V.]

I do also want to just address, before we get into sports, that I'm just glad we have Cinco de Mayo this year.

[Mandy B.]

Yes, ma'.

[Mandy V.]

Am. Y' all go out and celebrate our celebration of Mexican culture with tequilas and tacos.

[Jason]

The capitalization of Mexican culture.

[Jamila]

Did we not have it last year?

[Mandy V.]

Here's the thing. I am just shocked that we still have it because the Orange Cheeto even changed the name of the Gulf of Mexico to the.

[Jamila]

I was gonna say, well, you know, we don't give a fuck what that n a say.

[Mandy B.]

I really don't.

[Mandy V.]

I thought he was gonna try to take away this whole holiday from us.

[Mandy B.]

Guess what?

[Jamila]

I would say the Caucasians would rise.

[Mandy B.]

Let me tell you something. If we do a. A field trip, right? If we do a field trip to the Mexican restaurants, a field kit to the Mexican on Cinco de Mayo, right? Watch who you see who the pay.

[Jamila]

It's nothing but white people. White people don't play by Cinco de Mayo.

[Mandy V.]

It's going to be nothing but the gringos.

[Jason]

It's Chris in thong sandals.

[Jamila]

Yeah.

[Jason]

And a Salty Dog T shirt with

[Jamila]

a sombrero and tequila in hand. Yeah. They gets down for c. They gets down.

[Mandy V.]

They do.

[Mandy B.]

They celebrate the more than Mexicans.

[Jamila]

Yeah.

[Mandy V.]

I mean. I mean, for sure. You know, we've tried. We. When I say we, we tried to colonize this as well. Y' all know LeBron tried to trademark Taco Tuesday.

[Mandy B.]

He did try to trademark Taco Tuesday.

[Mandy V.]

Y' all know LeBron out here talking shit about Memphis and trying to get the Mexicans.

[Mandy B.]

Don't do that.

[Mandy V.]

He said, Taco Tuesday is my trademark.

[Jason]

LeBron has a lot of hots.

[Mandy V.]

He was acting like Walmart with Juneteenth.

[Mandy B.]

Yeah.

[Jason]

I said, now what the fuck is happening, LeBron? A whole lot of blind spots on that James guy.

[Wheezy]

This is Weezy. WTF from Decisions, Decisions.

[Mandy V.]

You know, a lot of us grew

[Wheezy]

up not fully trusting the healthcare system. And honestly, the system has given us plenty of reasons to feel that way. But now it's time for us to take control of the conversation, to take control of our sexual health, learn the facts, ask questions, and advocate for ourselves. That's how we start changing the story. So let's talk talk. We like to think HIV is something that affects other people, but it is hitting our own community hard. Black women make up about 13% of women in the US but account for nearly half of all new HIV diagnoses around women. And being proactive doesn't mean you just don't trust your partner. It just means you trust yourself enough to stay in control. So know your options, ask questions and protect your peace and your body. That's real power. Because protecting yourself isn't embarrassing, it's responsible. Sex is normal. Protecting yourself should be normal too. Actually, it's kind of badass. Taking control of your sexual health is grown woman energy. Sponsored by Care for the Culture from Gilead Sciences.

[Kal Penn]

Hey everyone, it's Kal Penn. I'm the host of Irsay The Audible and iHeart Audiobook Club. This week on the podcast, I am sitting down with Ray Porter, the narrator of Andy Weir's audiobook project, Hail Mary Massive sci fi adventure about survival and science and what happens when you wake up alone, very far from Earth.

[Ray Porter]

I really had to make a decision because I caught myself getting that frog in my throat and starting to get teary as I'm narrating some of these sections and it's like, okay, yo yo, yo, is this it? Indulgent. And I really thought about it. I was like, no. At this point it would kind of be betraying the trust the author and the listener have in telling this story if I don't go through it. But there's places in this book that that deeply, emotionally affected me and I left it on the mic. That's great cuz it served the story. People will say like, oh my God, I cried at the end. It's like, yeah dude, me too.

[Kal Penn]

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[Mandy V.]

speaking of LeBron, this is not a sports podcast, but the second round of the playoffs has begun after we just ended three games seven on the Eastern Conference.

[Jamila]

God damn.

[Jason]

A whole bunch of struggles.

[Mandy B.]

Exciting, exciting.

[Mandy V.]

A whole bunch of struggle buses. So round one did end this past weekend with Cleveland edging out Toronto. We have no Cleveland edging out Toronto. Did Orlando edge out or who won between Orlando and Detroit?

[Jason]

Detroit.

[Mandy V.]

Detroit Pistons did win. Okay, so Pistons got that and unfortunately Cleveland won. We have Embiid over Brown. We have the Sixers that cleared out and Orlando Madden. But even. Hold on. Well, well we talked about Orlando.

[Mandy B.]

No, they just fired their coach.

[Mandy V.]

Well, they fired their coach. However, those were the three games that took place. Cause boy, did the Knicks get a little bit of a vacation

[Mandy B.]

courtesy of.

[Mandy V.]

I'm gonna let you go ahead and talk about what took place. Was that game five.

[Mandy B.]

That was game six.

[Mandy V.]

That was game six. Okay.

[Mandy B.]

Technically it should have been a sweep. Cause there's two games, we won by one. That would be fucked up. But, but Shout out to inconsistent. Shout out to the.

[Mandy V.]

Hold on, hold on,

[Mandy B.]

hold on. Before we start this, before we start, before we. Cuz on episode, the last episode. Was it last episode? Yeah, it was last episode, Mr. King of the Yap niggas made a vow that OG Anuni wasn't going to do nothing, Josh Hart wasn't going to do nothing and Atlanta was going to come out victorious. And boy, I don't know, I looked at the game six crowd now. We knew there was gonna be a lot of New Yorkers. Cause you know, a lot of people from New York live out here.

[Jason]

Yeah, invasive species.

[Mandy B.]

And I think there's a lot of undercut. I think there's a lot of undercover Atleans that are Knick fans too. Right? That crowd usually when it's, you know, fourth quarter, two minutes left and it's gone a different way. That's when the seeds start to part but the seed didn't part.

[Mandy V.]

That's crazy. Wait, they stayed there.

[Mandy B.]

Cause all of them was Nick fans except for the five at Aliens. Now, I don't know what contributes to that, but before we continue on, I got something for Jah. Cause he's wearing a hoodie.

[Mandy V.]

Yeah. Tune.

[Mandy B.]

Take the hoodie off Take the hoodie

[Mandy V.]

off Take the hoodie off, y'. All. A king is now crowning Ja. With a Knicks fitted take.

[Mandy B.]

You gotta take the hoodie off.

[Mandy V.]

Take the hoodie off. And you gotta wear this thing.

[Mandy B.]

Now the snapback. So how big is your head?

[Jason]

Smaller than yours. Snap that thing back to a reasonable. Yeah, a reasonable.

[Jamila]

A reasonable snap.

[Jason]

A reasonable snap.

[Mandy V.]

Like. There we go.

[Jason]

I thought. This is a very New York, though. I feel like the New York thing to do is to do the Joel Santana and. And have this.

[Mandy B.]

Not a good representation of New York right now.

[Mandy V.]

Yeah. Well, wait. No, Joel's is fine. Jewel's got his teeth back.

[Jason]

He bought some. Yeah. He put some money down.

[Mandy B.]

He also said that kids shouldn't read books.

[Jason]

He also said there was no reason to read.

[Mandy V.]

But he also lost his teeth from meth. So I'm confused. There we go.

[Mandy B.]

It. It looks good on you, man.

[Mandy V.]

It looks good. Okay.

[Mandy B.]

It looks good on you.

[Mandy V.]

Okay.

[Mandy B.]

So, ladies and gentlemen, Bing bong. Bing bong. Don't. Don't raise your head up in the air, though. I wouldn't see that crown.

[Mandy V.]

Let's go.

[Jason]

This is what. This is what. Elitist loser team.

[Mandy B.]

No, no, no.

[Jason]

This is what elitist loser teams do. This is like the Dallas Cowboys of basketball, right?

[Mandy V.]

Like, isn't that 60?

[Mandy B.]

It was. They was up 61 points everywhere.

[Mandy V.]

It was nine to 140.

[Mandy B.]

It was 70 something to 20.

[Jason]

Ow. It was 40 to 15 in the first quarter, but at one point they

[Mandy V.]

were down by over 60, right?

[Jason]

Probably. Probably at halftime.

[Jamila]

Probably.

[Jason]

It was. What was it?

[Boston Richie]

Oh, yeah.

[Mandy V.]

80 to 23.

[Jason]

83 to 36. That's 50. 52, 57, bro.

[Mandy V.]

That's terrible.

[Jason]

Yeah, but here's the thing about it, right?

[Mandy V.]

No, here's the thing about it.

[Jason]

This isn't going anywhere. This is the championship for the Knicks. Like the O.

[Mandy V.]

We going.

[Jason]

We did it.

[Mandy V.]

Wait, you think. You think. You think a hobland. Mb no, even.

[Mandy B.]

Even a healthy. Go ahead. I want him to. What's his position?

[Jason]

Nothing is going to come of this. The New York Knicks are going to be catching fish in Cancun with everybody else soon enough.

[Mandy B.]

This is just how it goes, okay? How soon?

[Jason]

This is how it go.

[Mandy B.]

How soon?

[Jason]

Y' all need to figure this out because Philly shouldn't have won they series. So, like, y' all might really need to be scared of what's about to come to y'. All.

[Mandy B.]

Boston and the Knicks aren't the same either, but respectfully. Go ahead, Cad.

[Jason]

And Embiid, like, you putting your money on Cad, Cat.

[Mandy B.]

Yeah, okay.

[Jason]

You put your money on Cat.

[Mandy B.]

I'm pretty sure if you show the career average.

[Mandy V.]

Yes.

[Mandy B.]

It's not about Cat. It's about the team.

[Jason]

Okay.

[Mandy B.]

It's about the energy.

[Mandy V.]

Wait, and you went straight to Cat instead of Jaylen.

[Mandy B.]

But wait, he did this before. He said. He said OG Wouldn't be nothing. OG Tore this whole series up.

[Jason]

Now watch how bad. Watch how bad. Michael K. And all them people talk about OG we averaged six points a game.

[Mandy B.]

I don't care about them, what them white folks talk about. They never played basketball ever. The thing is. The thing is, Embiid went on national television the other day after they won their game, unfortunately, against Boston.

[Jason]

Boston, Boston, Boston, Boston.

[Mandy B.]

And he pleaded his case to the fans of Philadelphia to show up. That, my friend, is gonna be a conundrum.

[Mandy V.]

I think it's interesting because we are

[Mandy B.]

gonna be in Philly with them chopsticks.

[Live Nation Announcer]

What's Philly doing with some.

[Mandy B.]

They do what they want. Yeah.

[Jason]

They're not even letting. It's restricted to people.

[Mandy B.]

How much you want to bet?

[Mandy V.]

Crazy, like, your credit.

[Mandy B.]

They did that last year.

[Mandy V.]

Jamila like, huh?

[Jason]

She like, yeah, you should.

[Mandy V.]

What are your thoughts on second round?

[Jamila]

I just feel like. I just feel like everybody just needs to be, like, very, like, sportsmanship, you

[Mandy V.]

know, like, oh, that's definitely not gonna happen.

[Jamila]

You know what I'm saying? Like, it's okay if you lose. It's okay if you win. Everybody is doing a really good job. And I'm just. I'm just here for everybody. And I can't wait to see who comes out on.

[Mandy B.]

I love that. I love that.

[Jason]

Lamela is proud of you.

[Mandy V.]

Go, go.

[Mandy B.]

Hey, I'm say.

[Jamila]

I'm so proud of y'. All.

[Mandy B.]

Nixon 5.

[Mandy V.]

Nixon 5.

[Mandy B.]

No worse than Nixon 6.

[Jamila]

Okay. I don't even know who all in it, but you know what I'm saying?

[Mandy V.]

Well, you said, you know James Harden, he's in round two.

[Jamila]

Okay.

[Mandy B.]

Yeah. And LeBron, they beat the Toronto Raptors.

[Mandy V.]

The Lakers are too, right? Lakers.

[Mandy B.]

The Lakers advanced. They gonna. Now, see, here's where it gets.

[Jamila]

I don't even know if James play for.

[Mandy B.]

For Cleveland on The west side. The Lakers advance. Now they're going to play the Oklahoma.

[Mandy V.]

Oh, which are the reigning champions. Right.

[Mandy B.]

With shy shy Alexander, Shay Gillis.

[Mandy V.]

Alex.

[Mandy B.]

All the N. Shay Shay. I don't know, this might be. I was hoping they get a different matchup based on this team.

[Mandy V.]

They're team with Jared on it now, right? Jared McCain.

[Mandy B.]

Yep. Can I just say they're the best team. They're the best team in the NBA.

[Mandy V.]

Well guys, here we go.

[Mandy B.]

But it can be beat.

[Mandy V.]

I'm gonna say it now. I know y' all like the Anthony Edwards and the pow pow of John.

[Mandy B.]

They're in the second round too.

[Mandy V.]

Listen, Anthony Edwards, can we start a petition to make Jared McCain the face of the NBA?

[Mandy B.]

Why?

[Mandy V.]

Oh my God, he's so adorable.

[Jamila]

What he look like? Let me see.

[Mandy V.]

Okay, hold on now I talk about

[Jamila]

Lane

[Mandy V.]

and when I say adorable it's not really looks.

[Jamila]

Hold on you guys.

[Mandy V.]

You gotta show her him.

[Jamila]

You better find the best picture.

[Mandy B.]

So. Because he can be cute.

[Jamila]

No, no, no.

[Mandy V.]

Oh my God. But he does these little TikTok dances.

[Jamila]

He kind of cute. How old is he?

[Mandy V.]

He's legal.

[Mandy B.]

He probably date a white girl. His girl. His girlfriend. White. He light skinned white girlfriend. But look, he light skinned, right?

[Jason]

He looks like a Jalen.

[Mandy B.]

He's got a white girlfriend.

[Jason]

He looks like a Jalen.

[Mandy B.]

They all got white girlfriends.

[Mandy V.]

Just play one of the videos of him dancing. There's all of them that look like he about to dance. Look, he does a little tik toks.

[Jamila]

Okay, he's cute. So how old is he?

[Mandy V.]

He is legal girl.

[Mandy B.]

20 something girl math.

[Jamila]

Yeah, I need to know age. I don't do young boys.

[Mandy V.]

This is what his third year in the league? Cuz he. He used to be on the Sixers.

[Jamila]

22. Oh yeah. Pack it up.

[Mandy V.]

It's a second or third year.

[Mandy B.]

Could be.

[Jamila]

Yeah, that's a baby. I don't do that. But he's cute though.

[Mandy V.]

No, he's. But to me.

[Mandy B.]

Is he a starter?

[Mandy V.]

If we want to talk about safety. If we want to talk.

[Mandy B.]

No, you think white skin.

[Jamila]

Well, who is the face of the NBA right now?

[Mandy V.]

They're trying to make Anthony Evans.

[Jason]

I thought it was LeBron.

[Mandy B.]

LeBron James until he retires.

[Mandy V.]

Yeah, but we're talking about he about to retire.

[Jamila]

Edwards. That's the one with the baby mama drama.

[Mandy B.]

But that's why he won't be. And that's why he won't be the baby.

[Jamila]

That's all I know is pop culture.

[Mandy B.]

So look, prior to him they were Trying to make John Morant.

[Jamila]

Who is John Morant?

[Mandy V.]

The bang bang pop, the shooter boy.

[Jamila]

And so he starts shooting. And so they said no.

[Mandy B.]

Well, because so.

[Jamila]

So is the face of the NBA an official title or is that just like what we know?

[Jason]

It's what you. It's what is the popularity facing athletes

[Mandy B.]

at the NBA and doing all the things.

[Jamila]

But he's a good player. This job.

[Mandy B.]

He had a injury and he's trying to work. He's still valuable, but it's just the off court stuff kind of hinders his, you know.

[Jamila]

Got it. So. So the PR of it all matters with the sports too?

[Mandy B.]

Absolutely. PR in all sports. You know, years ago, years ago in NFL they used to make a wonder link test.

[Jamila]

Can't be. Cuz they be beating up now.

[Mandy B.]

They stop. They stop taking the test.

[Mandy V.]

Oh, they stop taking. They need to do the test again.

[Mandy B.]

Well, it didn't matter cuz remember homeboy took the girl that was pregnant and had to hire the hitman.

[Jason]

Ray K. Well also the thing with

[Mandy B.]

the wonder link, he was part of the wonder links.

[Jason]

It was cultural.

[Jamila]

Who's the.

[Mandy V.]

Who's the. Who's the guy that they still champion. But he don't talk to none of his kids. But he, he was fucking little girls.

[Jamila]

Oh, Malone.

[Jason]

Allegedly.

[Mandy B.]

Allegedly.

[Mandy V.]

Yeah.

[Mandy B.]

There was a story where he.

[Mandy V.]

Now Karl Malone was out here having got like a 14 year old pregnant.

[Mandy B.]

But here's the caveat. See and this is gonna. The state he was in. I don't give a. I'm just saying that's the. This morality.

[Jamila]

I don't like talking about legality when it comes to old niggas talking to young little girls. Cause they gonna always say legal, legal, legal.

[Mandy B.]

But that's never got. That's why he didn't have no repercussions because of that.

[Jamila]

Wait, was he at Indiana?

[Ray Porter]

Utah?

[Jamila]

Same show. Mormons all baby.

[Jason]

That's why they didn't care. They how old?

[Mandy V.]

13.

[Jason]

Yeah, she was 13.

[Jamila]

He got her pregnant.

[Mandy V.]

Hold on. And it wasn't taking care of the baby.

[Mandy B.]

And she's here today.

[Jamila]

The baby stayed.

[Mandy V.]

The baby stayed.

[Jason]

The baby stayed. Yeah.

[Jamila]

There's living proof of this stuff.

[Mandy B.]

He's a boy and he spoke out. He tried to. He tried to have a relationship with Pops.

[Jamila]

Wait, wait, wait. He got a baby.

[Mandy V.]

He ah.

[Jamila]

He had a. He raped a 13 year old girl. Cause I'mma use real language. The baby was had. And then he had the nerve to not be the daddy to the baby.

[Mandy V.]

Right, baby?

[Jason]

That is Karl Malone. That is Karl Malone's.

[Mandy B.]

Legacy.

[Jamila]

Yeah, it's so many.

[Mandy V.]

And you ready? They just rewarded.

[Mandy B.]

Can you pull up Carl, what he looks like now with the cowboy hat?

[Jamila]

He was ugly then, so I know he ugly now.

[Mandy B.]

Oh, no. But he definitely is super conservative.

[Mandy V.]

He's very conservative.

[Mandy B.]

He is the definition of conservative.

[Jamila]

Look at this crack a coon.

[Mandy V.]

Yeah.

[Jamila]

Oh, hell no.

[Mandy V.]

And what did the NBA just. They just honored him for something.

[Jamila]

Honored.

[Mandy V.]

Literally. I think it was like last year or two years ago. It was recent at the honors brunch. So they do a.

[Jason]

He's recognized as.

[Jamila]

There's an award. Okay, enough. I've had enough.

[Mandy V.]

There's a Karl Malone award.

[Mandy B.]

Ghana would never, never.

[Jamila]

This be the problem. Men can do any goddamn thing.

[Mandy V.]

Anything. Well, let's get into that. The topic y' all have all been waiting for 45 minutes in.

[Jamila]

Speaking of niggas doing anything, you know, light skinned.

[Mandy V.]

I just know we're gonna disagree here.

[Mandy B.]

Let's get it.

[Mandy V.]

So y'. All. The Internet has been ablaze in many ways on Meg thee stallion taking to the Internet to announce her breakup with NBA champion in Klay Thompson. Now she took.

[Jamila]

You just had to add champion.

[Jason]

I didn't expect that one.

[Mandy V.]

You ain't give her accolades.

[Jamila]

Grammy award winning champion.

[Mandy V.]

We going to go Grammy.

[Jason]

You know what that champion.

[Jamila]

That's that misogyny. Keep it out of.

[Mandy B.]

Here we go.

[Jason]

That champion did the same thing that that Sylvester did when K. Michelle. That was. That was that Sylvester.

[Mandy V.]

We. We have Grammy award winning Broadway star.

[Jamila]

Yeah.

[Mandy V.]

Even though she quit early. Meg thee Stallion.

[Mandy B.]

Oh, yeah.

[Jason]

Really?

[Mandy V.]

Hold on. Because I love Meg. Let's. I want to start there. Let me start there.

[Jason]

We go find out.

[Jamila]

Okay.

[Mandy B.]

She listen. We love Meg but listen. She love Meg but she listen to Tori at the bar.

[Mandy V.]

Oh, I don't like Tori.

[Mandy B.]

I'm just.

[Mandy V.]

Here we go. Meg thee stallion took to her Instagram to write this. Cheating. Had me around your whole family playing out house got quote unquote cold feet holding you down through all your horrible mood swings and treatment towards me during your basketball season. Now you don't know if you could be monogamous. Bitch. I need a real break after this one by y'. All. All right.

[Mandy B.]

Why she didn't text him that. Now you text us.

[Mandy V.]

Initial thoughts. This hit the. The Internet streets and literally for the last.

[Mandy B.]

Yo, listen, hold on, man. I want to preface this. That hit the streets while we was in festival mode.

[Jamila]

We couldn't. When I did the streets was rumor.

[Mandy B.]

I said literally, where's the microphone, Yo, Jamila was The one we was backstage doing some shit and she said, oh my gosh. And then she showed me her phone and it was breaking news.

[Jamila]

Breaking news.

[Mandy V.]

I was drunk. That was the day we did juve.

[Jamila]

I was lit, so.

[Mandy V.]

So luckily it took me a couple days to process, but then not really because everybody. So you had this. This was damn near on espn. Breaking news.

[Jamila]

Yeah, it probably was. No shit.

[Mandy V.]

It was mass hysteria.

[Jamila]

Yes.

[Mandy V.]

And then what else did it do? It brought the red pill dialogue back to the forefront. So it brought back misogyny, femicide, manosphere, the black manosphere.

[Mandy B.]

Everything was a woman.

[Mandy V.]

And so let's get into it. The conversation around Meg Thee, Stallion and Klay Thompson's breakup. What were everyone's initial thoughts and where do you stand on everything that took place?

[Jamila]

The first thing I thought was, you yellow bastard. How dare you do that to my princess. Now, the thing is, I am one of the people that I say, I don't think cheating is the worst possible thing that can happen in relationships. Relationship. Oh, comma, okay, it's. It's a shitty situation nonetheless, but it's

[Mandy B.]

definitely not the worst thing.

[Jamila]

It's not the worst thing. I think getting beat the up is probably worse.

[Jason]

Drugs, assaulted, all type of things.

[Mandy V.]

It could get worse hierarchy of abuse here. Yeah. But yes, because cheating is still abusive.

[Jamila]

Not as abusive as getting punched in your face. You know what I mean?

[Mandy B.]

Cuz you can walk away from a cheating time zone.

[Jamila]

You know, I don't think that that's like necessary a full moral compass type of thing. Like, people make mistakes. Cool. However, comma, I don't like that people also minimize it. You know what I mean? Like, she can still be very much hurt and affected by being cheated on a person that she clearly thought was going to be, you know, her end all. Be all like, that fucking hurts and that stings. And I think that.

[Mandy V.]

Did she think he wasn't going to cheat on her? Even though. Even though every. Well, that's the.

[Jamila]

But my thing is that matters. It doesn't matter because if you're hurt, you're hurt.

[Mandy V.]

You can be hurt. However.

[Jamila]

And also, you know what?

[Kal Penn]

On.

[Jamila]

And also.

[Mandy V.]

Yeah, yeah, maybe she didn't think he

[Jamila]

was going to cheat on her. Nigga's 36. Yeah, you're not done yet. Sit down.

[Mandy V.]

How many do you need? This is what. This is what Young think you think at 36A should be done. He's still in the league.

[Mandy B.]

Don't be done at 55.

[Jamila]

LeBron James.

[Mandy V.]

You said what?

[Jamila]

LeBron is still in the league.

[Mandy V.]

Okay, Don't.

[Mandy B.]

Don't do this.

[Mandy V.]

We're not going to do.

[Mandy B.]

We're not going to do that.

[Mandy V.]

We are not going to do that.

[Mandy B.]

There far more other people don't.

[Mandy V.]

Do you think that he's only just

[Mandy B.]

chilling with Savannah Wholesome.

[Jamila]

I don't know what.

[Mandy V.]

But I know it's because Savannah don't put it to the Internet.

[Jamila]

Allegedly, he's married. Right. So what? We don't know.

[Mandy V.]

And Clay, not. So what you bring up LeBron.

[Jamila]

But my point is this idea that because you're in the league because you, quote, unquote, get bitches because you're that nigger or whatever, it's impossible for you to be with one woman. I think that that's a cop out that we give to men because on the reverse side, when women have this, you know, proclivity, for example, Tracee Ellis Ross, when she talked about how, like, I'm happy right now, I, you know, I go on dates, I do the things. I don't call her all type of dumbass slut ass bitches, right? And she's a single woman. That's my point. So my point is, if we're going to talk about, like, oh, damn, it's. It's crazy that they. Their relationship ended, it should just be that. But then it changes to, well, what the did this dumbass expect? He's that nigga.

[Mandy V.]

Of course he ass bitches.

[Jason]

So.

[Jamila]

Okay, okay. God forbid a bitch be sad, though.

[Mandy V.]

She can be sad. She can be sad.

[Jamila]

I don't like the way you said

[Mandy V.]

she's allowed to have feelings and be sad.

[Mandy B.]

However, that face.

[Mandy V.]

However, I want to get into the. First off, the cheating that she started with. And then he asked. Also said that he can't be monogamous. Let's get into that first. There's a lot of women who get with men who have track records of being a certain type of man. And unfortunately, the delusion of women leads them to believe that they're gonna be treated differently. Example, Summer Walker and her baby daddy. Okay, what's his name?

[Jamila]

Which one?

[Mandy V.]

The first one or Southside? No, no, no, no. Southside's not her baby daddy.

[Jamila]

Oh, Michael made it, is it Mike Will made it? No, she with the other one.

[Mandy V.]

Polo.

[Jamila]

I don't remember Polo.

[Mandy V.]

I don't fucking know.

[Jason]

I would say.

[Jamila]

Damn, I thought she was with Michael.

[Mandy B.]

I threw this.

[Mandy V.]

South side, she got south side. Southside is Caresha's baby daddy.

[Mandy B.]

Jesus Christ.

[Jamila]

Load it on the track.

[Mandy B.]

Even in that pattern.

[Jamila]

Let me use this Let me use

[Mandy V.]

this through line because then we also have Summer Walker who did have something to say. So my through line with this is when Summer Walker got with London on the track.

[Wheezy]

Yeah.

[Mandy V.]

His previous baby moms were public in saying how terrible of a baby daddy he was.

[Mandy B.]

Okay.

[Mandy V.]

She got pregnant by this man thinking she was going to get a different version of him as a baby daddy. Now bring it back to Klay Thompson. Klay Thompson has multiple women. Yes. A white woman that apparently no one cares about, but that's really big on the Internet. Some influencer, Coco Jones. And there's another black. There are previous relationships, long standing relationships that Klay Thompson has been in where these women all came out and said he was a cheater. Allegedly. And so for me, the fact that even her words exactly this makes me feel like he didn't get caught once there was a conversation because she said, now you don't know if you can be quote unquote, monogamous. This man has proven and shown that he wasn't monogamous in any of his previous relationships. And so, and so the delusion that maybe because you are Meg thee stallion, that you're going to get a different version of a man than what he has shown up to be for every other woman, I think has a bit of delusional ring to it. Secondly, yes, he is an NBA champion. Yes, he does have money. Yes, he does have these things. I think that you being brought around family, you quote unquote playing house in whatever case of the matter. What does all that mean?

[Jason]

That means that.

[Mandy V.]

What does all that mean? He liked you. We all. He liked you.

[Jason]

Yeah, but there's. Yeah, but there's levels of like. And what, how you carry the situation. Like. Yeah, because you don't.

[Jamila]

We're minimizing the fact that he clearly is a liar.

[Mandy V.]

And so here's the problem.

[Jason]

That part too.

[Mandy V.]

Here's the problem. Like, and guess what? The girl who cried wolf also is to the world, which is the. Yes, he's a liar, but she is also a liar. Did she lie in this relationship? Who knows? But the problem with the lack of empathy when it comes to her as a woman is that she's also a proven liar.

[Jamila]

Oh, brother.

[Mandy V.]

She lied. She lied. Hold on.

[Jamila]

She lied about having sex with Tory Lanez. Okay, what do we fucking do?

[Jason]

Yeah, so what?

[Jamila]

What do you fucking do? Okay, so what do we fucking do?

[Mandy V.]

If he's a liar, they're liars.

[Jamila]

No, here's the thing. There's a difference between lying to Gayle King who's in retrospect to the conversation is nobody about who you had sex with versus lying in your interpersonal relationships.

[Mandy V.]

The lying to Gayle King, minimizing that conversation as if it wasn't a federal case in the state of California.

[Jamila]

Did she like to Gayle King or did she lie to the judge when she was on the stand?

[Mandy V.]

There was no.

[Jamila]

She did not.

[Mandy V.]

No there she acted like that. They did not have a personal relationship.

[Jamila]

When she got on the stand when it matters, she did not lie. Lie. That would be perjury. She did not lie on the stand. She admitted to all.

[Mandy V.]

She lied to everyone else.

[Jason]

But so what now?

[Jamila]

So what?

[Mandy V.]

So who gives a that Clay lied?

[Jason]

But wait a minute. Who gives a. Because one is betrayal, one is your own. If you want to tell. If you don't want to tell somebody, that's your business. Lying, betraying your relationship with somebody.

[Mandy V.]

Mind you, again, I don't like Tori, but when someone's life is on the line and going to the. When they're trying to figure out who shot the gun, why the reason that there was a shooting, you know, the same way someone gets killed, there needs to be motive. So the fact that she was fucking on her best friend's nigga started like that was a whole part of the case. But also who was dealing with the.

[Jamila]

Another important part of the motivation that people forget to, you know, talk about. She did not press charges against Tory.

[Mandy V.]

Of course the state did. Yeah.

[Jamila]

So my point is, if she was thrown into this case just as much as he was thrown into this case. Yes. Did she feel like telling the world that she fucked Tory Lanez?

[Mandy V.]

No.

[Jamila]

I wouldn't want to admit that shit either.

[Jason]

That's very. It's very easy to see why you would not. Why you would not submit.

[Jamila]

I am. I'm. I am being forced to talk about this. This is not. This is not the thing that I ever even wanted to come out about. That has been shown to happen. Right. So that's part. But fuck the Tory lanes of it. I'm.

[Mandy V.]

What is it? What is it? What is Einstein's definition of insanity? Doing the same thing over and over, expecting. Hear me out. It does.

[Jamila]

Because that's God trying to watch

[Mandy B.]

a priestess from Ghana. Like, if you are someone who has

[Mandy V.]

been critiqued and ridiculed time and time again, we've seen the disgusting memes about her past and previous relationships and some that may or may not have even taken place. If you've been this ridiculed about your decisions in your personal life. The desire that she had and maybe there's a humiliation ritual here, I don't fucking know. For her to post clay and post her personal relations. The amount of times that she did even after the Tory case and then people had thoughts about her with the soccer player then with the other NBA Tory that she was dating. To me, damn, there's a level of bro, even this bringing this shit to the Internet. You see the ridicule that you've gotten for the. The last three to four or five years and you don't want people in your personal business, then why do this?

[Jamila]

I don't think it's about not wanting people in her personal business. I think that the, the ridicule that she has gotten has been unjustly. People, people go out of their way to be absolutely vow and evil towards her. And I don't think that because of that she now has to change the way she lives her life. I think that she's simply just trying to live her life. And I think that her posting now, now going granted me personally, am I posting every nigga?

[Mandy V.]

No.

[Jamila]

Because I understand the humiliation that comes with dealing with a nigga.

[Mandy V.]

I understand humiliation, bro.

[Jamila]

That's a me. That's a personal decision for me. Right. And so I don't think that because she decided to live her life out loud and show the world who she's dating that now she has to be at fault for how it ends. Because just the same way that she was posting him, he was posting her. He was also showing the world he

[Jason]

was participating in all the content cuz he liked her.

[Mandy V.]

Okay, that's my point.

[Jamila]

So it's like, like why is it all falling on her that the how the relationship ends? But that's what I'm saying. People are blaming her for all the things. Like what else does she expect? She's a lying ass bitch, mind you. Let's say she lied in all of her other relationships or whatever. Whatever. If you want to. Sure.

[Mandy V.]

Allegedly.

[Jamila]

What does that have to do with this current relationship? If we're going to play the whole well, men should not be held accountable or not held accountable, but men should not have to answer for the things that they've done in their past. Why don't you give guys a clean slate? Right? That's what boys talk about all the time. Like okay, I did that in my past. Like I'm a new now. Okay, well she's a new bitch now.

[Jason]

And plus if, if, if we under. If the, if the, if the thought is going to be these niggas ain't shit. These niggas going to cheat. Then we're talking about all of these niggas. So like your boyfriend, your boyfriend, your boyfriend, your boyfriend.

[Mandy V.]

All.

[Jason]

All the niggas are cheaters. So the fact that she likes this man and he's cheated on women before, that doesn't really. That's. You're not going to be able to say, I'm not going to have a boyfriend because these have cheated before. That's not a real thing.

[Jamila]

It's not just NBA that act. Like,

[Mandy V.]

Let me read the Summer Walker thing because yes, along with what you said, she said, stop telling women to pick better men. So let's get into this topic. Summer Walker posted stop telling women to pick better men. When men are out here pretending to be someone they are not for months and even years at a time just to gain access to women who are out of their league. Then once they have access, turn around and reveal they ain't shit. Behind that fake mature masculine facility, just a little boy operating in ashy foolishness who had zero intention of actually being who he told you he was. It was just a childish, manipulative conquest based on ego and low key.

[Mandy B.]

That sounds like her personal experience. She just projecting out in the world.

[Jamila]

I mean, by the way, I agree, though.

[Mandy B.]

But there's a vetting thing, right?

[Jamila]

It's two things though. It's both. Both can be true, though.

[Mandy B.]

Both can be true. But also there's a super pattern. They're picking these particular women who put their business on display. They're picking a type.

[Mandy V.]

There is a type.

[Mandy B.]

And a pattern happens when you keep picking the type, you're gonna keep running to that door. But the thing is, keep your shit private. Cause there's people, regular people getting cheated on every day. They gotta go through it. Whatever. They not publicly saying whatever and inviting us to the group chat.

[Mandy V.]

But that's the thing too, right? Like in terms of women dating a certain type of man. Women dating a man with a track record. A public one. Listen, I have friends who even if. And it's funny. So real quick, let me bring up Imperfect Women. Imperfect Women is a show on Apple Plus. Phenomenal. Just finished. Y' all watch it. Now. There's a scene where not only does a woman cheat on or is the side chick to the man that she's now married to. She knew that the wife. Oh, she knew the wife. The wife got her ass beat trying to leave and she goes and talks to the ex wife. And the ex wife literally looks at her in her face and is like, even if I told you he abused me or whooped me or almost killed me, you wouldn't have believed me. I have friends right now who got with abusive niggas and then were surprised, mind you, exes warning them about the abuse and then got surprised when they was getting their ass beat. So for me, as women, I get that men change, quote, unquote. Some of them do. But also, there's a lot of glaring red flags that women choose to ignore oftentimes when they pick people. So if we have these thoughts on rich, powerful men with a lot of options being cheaters, you getting with one and assuming he's going to be monogamous also. So while three of his exes out of many have already called him a cheater, when do we take accountability for the type of niggas that we also do pick? And the picking better tricky because, yes, people do show up with masks on their face, but there's a lot of times that we choose men that have certain track records. That's why all these niggas who fuck on kids kill niggas all got bitches writing them while they're in jail. Women still want that shit.

[Jamila]

There's a lot of truth. Truth to that for sure. And I don't want to, like, discount any of that. And that's why I say the two things are like, both playing. Because on one end, yes, we do have to have a level of discernment with who we are talking to. And especially when people have track records of abuse. Yes, absolutely. Because there are those types of cheating.

[Mandy V.]

No.

[Jamila]

Yeah. But I do think the two things are a little bit different because I do think that cheating differently than people who are abusive. I do think that sometimes that is an age thing. I do think a lot of times people do kind of grow out of it or just kind of get over it. I do think that that can. That can be true.

[Mandy V.]

You. You believe people outgrow cheating?

[Jamila]

I think some people can. I do think that just based off of what I see, because I think sometimes it comes with the level of immaturity, because I think cheating is. I think it's just. And I. I've never personally cheated on anybody, so I can only. I'm just. You know what I'm saying? Just talking. I'm a. I'm a good woman. I'm the best woman. I don't have these flaws. And that's. I'm just. You know, this is just me looking in. It seems like impulse control, a level of immaturity. A lack of respect, sexual discipline. Yeah, it's just, it's those things. It's. I don't think that most of the time, not even most. I do think a lot of the times, I don't think people are trying to hurt their partner when they cheat. I think that they are just think being selfish and thinking about themselves.

[Jason]

Right.

[Jamila]

Versus you punching a you. You meant to punch her.

[Mandy B.]

Yeah, yeah.

[Jamila]

There's no. You know what I'm saying? There's no way around it. So I do think that, yes, there's. There is. We need to have discernment and we need to be like, okay, well we, we now, we know the track record, sister. You know what I'm saying? We know this, this and this. But at the same time, at one point, society wise, because we can have that conversation and we keep having that conversation the same way we keep having a conversation about single mothers and things like that. At what point are we going to shift the conversation to be like, you need to be better? Because if that conversation is old, we keep having the conversation of the quote, unquote, accountability that women need to have. We fucking get it. We need to have accountability. We need to have discernment. At what point are we gonna say these niggas just need to be better? Because if you're not monogamous, that's different than being a cheater.

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[Jamila]

You told them that before, right? Did you cheat on them?

[Mandy V.]

I can't cheat. I'm not.

[Jamila]

That's my point. It's not the same. These niggas.

[Mandy V.]

I guess I could cheat. There ain't no way to cheat.

[Jamila]

But these niggas just discovered the word non monogamous to justify their cheating.

[Jason]

Well, and also, let's be clear These

[Mandy B.]

niggas, this ought to you some flowers. Yo, yo, that's what I want to ask. Is non monogamy the antidote for not being able to cheat?

[Jason]

But here's the thing, and this is

[Mandy B.]

not saying you a cheated. I don't think you have.

[Mandy V.]

It's not the antidote.

[Mandy B.]

No, I'm just asking.

[Mandy V.]

Is that so? I think that monogamy is literally a made up construct brought here by white Christians. Now listen, to hold to keep a certain people level of bay. Even if you look in the Bible, mad niggas had multiple wives, multiple people

[Mandy B.]

like they was fucking with Solomon had many wives.

[Mandy V.]

Niggas was having anal sex with men in the Bible. Okay, goddammit.

[Mandy B.]

So to me, hold on. But that wasn't deemed righteous. That was just.

[Mandy V.]

I mean regardless of the thing since and I'm not gonna get into religion

[Jamila]

here, but society changes and some society change.

[Mandy V.]

And so I feel like the reality of it is we are trying to hold ourselves to an outdated construct of how we operate as people. And so non monogamy should be the honest way to approach being in a relationship with someone and being able to have the dialogue that hey, I love you, I care about you, I want you. I may also sexually want someone else,

[Jamila]

but that has to come first.

[Jason]

First. Yeah, you can't throw that out.

[Jamila]

If it doesn't, then you are a cheater. And you are, but you're, you're being shy.

[Jason]

Yeah.

[Jamila]

Also a lot of these niggas who claim to be non monogamous after they get caught cheating, they would never ever want the to do the same shit because it. I'm telling you, I'm telling you Neo himself said on there but that's polygamy. But that's certain level. A lot of these, A lot of these men are not practicing polyamory. These niggas are just not their cake and eat it too. They, they do not. Not like when women do the same thing.

[Mandy V.]

There's a poly umbrella.

[Jamila]

And what I'm saying is you're talking about these niggas who actually practice that though. I'm talking about.

[Mandy V.]

That's what I'm saying is.

[Jamila]

But I guarantee you if Megan cheated on Clay, we gotta stop. We would not have the same cheated on party. And we got that conversation up. We're talking about Clay and Megan.

[Mandy V.]

My point, let's be very clear too. Women are cheaters too.

[Jamila]

I understand that.

[Mandy V.]

So this conversation of where we just keep men gotta do better, we gotta hold them to be better of I majority of my majority 9 out of 10 if I had to line them up.

[Mandy B.]

18 out of 20, they not from Ghana, bro.

[Jason]

They definitely don't.

[Mandy V.]

But them be cheating too. There are women that also cheat. So overall, let's not.

[Jason]

What does that mean?

[Mandy V.]

Let's not gender pick this.

[Jamila]

The conversation. I'm only gender picking it because of the. The conversation that was happening.

[Mandy V.]

But poly is an umbrella.

[Jamila]

It is.

[Mandy V.]

And if y' all want to learn more, go to decisions decisions. I ain't going to sit here and give y' all the whole goddamn goddamn spiel. But polygamy, there's nothing wrong with a man saying, hey, these are my wives and I don't want them to have any other partners. And as soon as they want other partners, they can leave. Open communication. That's what Neo does. But there are also men that are cool with the multiple, like being able to.

[Jamila]

And generally speaking, the men who are cool with that typically lead with that in the first. The. The beginning and.

[Jason]

Or things evolve and. Or them niggas don't want to marry you.

[Mandy V.]

You could also. That's another thing.

[Jason]

Them n are, oh, yeah, I'm cool with you doing whatever you doing. Cause I'm gonna do whatever I'm doing. They're not looking wife in that situation too.

[Mandy V.]

Married people can also be non monogamous. That's what I kept seeing people say.

[Jason]

But the who are preaching that. Who are talking that. I don't care what the.

[Jamila]

We're talking about two different people.

[Jason]

People. Yeah. That catch his wife cheating or his girlfriend cheating is not going to be like, well, I'm doing what I'm doing so we can just do our thing.

[Mandy V.]

A lot of times it does.

[Mandy B.]

No. But when you're mad and you're financially intertwined, it's not just we're married. There's so many layers to this shit that if you violate that anti. Violate that trust, it's a wrap. It's over with.

[Mandy V.]

That's what I'm saying. So now we're getting into how married people operate. Clay and Meg were not married.

[Jamila]

And mind you, wait a minute.

[Mandy V.]

When he got caught cheating. When he got caught. And I do feel like he probably got caught more than once. For him to finally say, I don't think I can be non monogamous. This is probably something that's.

[Mandy B.]

Or maybe she was just non peaceful and he was like, yo, I can't do this no more.

[Mandy V.]

Also, he's already been labeled and called a cheater prior. So for me, if we're at a place where we're acknowledging that new words are coming to term, I shared with y'. All, I didn't know I was stealth until I learned what the word stealthing meant. Right? So right now, if men are now being educated on what non monogamy is and he has at least the gumption to be like, okay, yeah, I got caught. But I also, moving forward, don't think I could be monogamous. Monogamous. Where do we sit here and at least appreciate that? Okay, now, as a woman, if your nigga's telling you he's not monogamous, hey,

[Jason]

you have to believe that. Who the is going to believe that after you got caught?

[Jamila]

That's my point.

[Jason]

Nobody's trying to hear that.

[Jamila]

The issue isn't. It's one thing.

[Jason]

Oh, you want to have an honest conversation about how you view relationships. Now, once you get caught, get the out of here.

[Jamila]

That's a cop out.

[Jason]

That's crazy.

[Mandy V.]

The only reason I say it's a cop out is if this conversation wasn't had upon them beginning to date. Because like I said, how do you go in dating a woman? Of course he wasn't not having a conversation as to where he is now.

[Jamila]

But how do you know that they did it?

[Mandy V.]

But that's what I'm saying.

[Jamila]

So if.

[Mandy V.]

If he's just now saying this in hindsight because she didn't have the gumption to ask him because she was so delusional and thought that this was her by all, then, yes, he's wrong as fuck. However, if this was a conversation that was had at the beginning and now, okay, he realizes he's not monogamous. There's. I don't. We can't.

[Jason]

I guess I don't understand why. Why is he even getting that level of reasonable doubt? Grace, to me, it doesn't make any sense. We're talking about she came out and said, this nigga cheated on me. He's talking about cold feet, can't be monogamous if, if, and if, if, and if and if and if. Okay, if, if, if. Sure. But what does that have to do with what's going on right now? Because I don't believe that he had that conversation ahead of time. Because it probably would have. They probably wouldn't have even been together if he was like, I need to do whatever I'm gonna do. And she's not looking for that.

[Mandy V.]

Clearly we're doing the what ifs. Let me ask you yalls thoughts on this then. Megan Clay are both being dragged by Lexi Brown, WNBA player who got thrown into the mix as potentially who he may or may not have cheated with. And Lexi is not only getting death threats by a lot of the Meg thee Stallion fan base, but Clay normal Meg have cleared her name as a girl's girl. As someone who has been. Who has also received death threats on the Internet because of what happened with Tori and everything else. Is there any responsibility you feel that Megan Clay have to clear this woman's name?

[Jamila]

From what I saw, this was Clay's friend. I think that he definitely should have said something. If that's like. Because she said, I ain't sleep with that nigga, I think he definitely should have been like, bro, this was not her on Megan's end. Again, this is just me looking in. If I'm Megan and I really don't know who the fuck you cheated on me with. Just know you cheated. I don't know who it was. I don't know who it was. And I'm not trying to like, I'm not trying to put that on you. We already know how STs get. You can tell them to stop. They stands are weird. And I don't. And I don't think it's fair to blame Megan for Stan's acting crazy. Cuz Stan's act crazy, period. That the stand culture is just weird. I. I can understand her being frustrated, though. I can understand her saying I ain't do and both y' all need to speak up. I can understand both. I can understand everyone's perspective except for Clay. Because if you ain't her, why you ain't saying nothing? But he don't want to say anything about nothing about anything. Exactly. And I think that he's just trying to say he's trying to get away with it.

[Mandy V.]

He did get under a streamer's comments and told to go touch grass. That's the only comment he's made because he don't really.

[Jamila]

It's. To me, it seems like he don't give.

[Mandy V.]

He also hasn't defended himself in all of the previous cheating allegations.

[Jamila]

Of course, they never do. They don't have to because he's gonna be all right at the end.

[Mandy V.]

You ready? He got another laying with him right now that day.

[Jamila]

He probably the.

[Mandy V.]

But also let's be very good clear. Meg probably done already got some other dick too. Meg could get other dick, bro.

[Jamila]

And I hope she did.

[Jason]

Sure. But I hope she did. But this right here.

[Mandy B.]

But this is why we should never be that invested. Because while we doing this, all these

[Jason]

millionaire Cal blood leads to the intersection of a Lot of problems with this whole thing.

[Boston Richie]

A.

[Jason]

As far as this particular situation goes, in the Yahoo article, they say that a random person sparked this off.

[Mandy V.]

Yeah, that's it.

[Jason]

So, and you look at that Twitter account, that Twitter account has 300 followers. So like questions is like this isn't even a real thing. This is just somebody random on the Internet saying a thing. So why am I going to defend you against every random person you're bringing this life by even talking about this. But that's the first problem with me. I don't think Meg is at fault for talking about this. But I don't under. I'm 45 year old, nigga. We already established. I don't understand this culture of using social media as your diary, all of this.

[Mandy B.]

They want help. They want the help.

[Jason]

They wanted a crap crime. If a cheated on you or not cheated on you. If a sexually abused you, rapes you, stole your money, did a crime then. Yeah, put that on blast. Let it be known that this.

[Jamila]

You know what I think happened? And this is not me excusing, but I'm just trying to think into the mind of Megan. I feel like I know her resistors. I feel like if they were to separate, people were going to assume it was Meg's fault because people hate Megan like they do. And I think that she did that out of a level of like defensiveness and self defense. Like I before any. It wasn't me. It was like. And then on top of that, like, how dare you hurt me this this way? And I. And I can't speak on it. And then, you know, I think that was just.

[Jason]

She was angry and she wanted to get a lick back.

[Jamila]

And I think that like she's not the only person who's ever done this.

[Mandy V.]

Do this too.

[Jason]

It's all. But that's.

[Jamila]

Kyrie Irvin did it with Kehlani.

[Jason]

But that's about the whole thing. All of it is corny to me. All of it is corny. I don't need breakup announcements. I don't.

[Mandy V.]

She was laid up in bed with

[Jamila]

the ex and then came back and said that she actually didn't cheat on him.

[Mandy V.]

She was. Hold on to. She was laid up in bed, okay. With party next door, her ex boyfriend. So whether she sucked his dick or not.

[Jamila]

But my cheating.

[Mandy V.]

If you laid up in bed with

[Jamila]

your ex boyfriend, as we just said, people cheat.

[Mandy B.]

But that mean he was never, he was never gone though.

[Jamila]

What I'm saying is Megan was the first person.

[Mandy B.]

He was never gone.

[Jamila]

Megan's not the first person to expose their ex or expose their partner for doing some bullshit. So I don't think that we're like, why are we acting like this is the first time this has. This has ever happened?

[Jason]

For me, it's not about the first. I just think it's. I don't under. Well, it's two parts A. I don't understand it on a general level, whether you are nobody or the biggest star in the world. But your point earlier is my whole thing why I don't understand this from Meg. Because you've been harassed for a million different things. Why are you feeding the troll like this isn't about saving Clay? Cause Clay deserves whatever he gets out of this. I guess.

[Kal Penn]

But if you're.

[Jason]

But people hate nobody give a point.

[Mandy V.]

This light bright ass nigga is a cheater. Ben.

[Jason]

No, but n is celebrating Clay. Like niggas are going on rants and doing stuff.

[Mandy V.]

You ready? Because niggas are lame.

[Jamila]

And mind you, those same. That was the same. That was calling him simp ass. They was calling him and as soon as they found out he.

[Jason]

Yeah, you a real ass.

[Mandy V.]

It's weird.

[Jamila]

Lame losers.

[Jason]

Yes, he did it.

[Mandy V.]

Lil Duvall academics like lame ass niggas.

[Jamila]

Lame ass.

[Jason]

But. But that's what. But here's the problem. But that's the problem though. You can't get ahead of this. There's no getting ahead of it because people are going to want to hate you. They want to hate you.

[Jamila]

I love you, Boots. If you're listening to me, Megan, stop talking to us like, be free of.

[Jason]

You don't owe a.

[Jamila]

Unfortunately, you're one of those ladies that's going to have to distance yourself from the public and from media. Because I do think that you unfortunately are just in that realm that people. It doesn't matter what you do, they're going to misconstrue it. They're going to hate you. You need to take a. A page out of my good sister Tina Turner's book and distance yourself from the main public because they just hate you. And I don't understand why. I think you've never really done anything that fucking crazy to get hated on. But niggas are weird and they hate women. They hate black women.

[Mandy B.]

Those niggas that hate black women are the same ones who supported old boy in the shooting, of course. So this is a trickle down effect from that. This reaction. It is also celebrity niggas and dating. This shit never works. These niggas just be passing around. They just gotta deal with normal, normal people. That's. That's the cause. There's no other solutions. You got to deal with normal people.

[Jason]

I mean, maybe normal people will have it so that you will feel less pressed to take your business to the

[Mandy B.]

Internet because a normal nigga not gonna cheat on Meg.

[Jamila]

Oh, you. You a damn liar.

[Jason]

100%.

[Jamila]

Yes, they would.

[Jason]

100%.

[Mandy B.]

A working a martyr.

[Mandy V.]

These niggas are nuts.

[Jason]

Yes, the who change your oil and what's the solution?

[Jamila]

This is the same reason why people. I can't believe Beyonce got cheated on. It's never about the woman. It's never about the man. It's just always about people being selfish. So it doesn't matter who you are, you're gonna get cheated on.

[Jason]

You're going to get on.

[Mandy B.]

My mother had a saying.

[Mandy V.]

She said, so wait, it's inevitable. Look, hold on.

[Jamila]

I don't think it's inevitable that everyone's gonna get cheated on. I'm saying no one's immune to getting cheated on.

[Mandy B.]

Have you got cheated on?

[Wheezy]

I have.

[Mandy B.]

Have you got cheated on?

[Jason]

Yeah.

[Mandy B.]

Have you got cheated on? Have you got cheated on? Yomi, we six out of six. So that means we're at six, nigga.

[Mandy V.]

There's five of us.

[Mandy B.]

Oh, five out of five. There's a strong imagine person got.

[Jamila]

If you are actively not talking about the people who have had, you know, miraculous relationships, you know, straight out of high school. Cool. Good. Good for fucking you. I'm talking about the majority of people that, you know, date, right. And have relationships here and there. The majority of us are going to either experience being cheated on or be the cheater.

[Jason]

Right?

[Mandy B.]

Have you cheated?

[Jamila]

Nobody's. I've never cheated.

[Mandy B.]

Have you cheated? Oh, you. You got the umbra.

[Jason]

Yes, the umbra.

[Mandy V.]

I can't cheat on. I'm honest.

[Mandy B.]

So. So look, we done. Listen to our grandmothers and grandfathers. No.

[Mandy V.]

Have you cheated?

[Mandy B.]

Because black men don't cheat.

[Mandy V.]

No, he just said, yes.

[Mandy B.]

Black boys cheat. There's a difference.

[Mandy V.]

Aren't you a Black boy at 45?

[Mandy B.]

There's a difference. No, the mentality. Because that's what he said.

[Mandy V.]

He said.

[Mandy B.]

He said before what I'm saying. Of course. And we've done. If we've done that, we're not mature men. We were adolescent in our thinking. That's how.

[Jason]

Well, here's the other problem, too, with this. Is that because Clay was given something, something that he didn't deserve or that he wasn't, like, earned, worthy of, right? People look at Clay. Even some women will look at Clay and be like, this is like a lame kind of like, oh, Meg is doing this a favor being with him.

[Mandy B.]

Like he's rich.

[Mandy V.]

That's what. Gotta stop thinking too, bro. What? But I think the pictures on the Internet saying that Meg made this man global.

[Jamila]

There is a level to that. Not in the sense that it's not obviously. Clay is not. Not unknown. Me as someone who I don't obviously know sports. I knew who Klay Thompson was. However, you have to understand a lot of people are not tapped into the sports realm. And who don't. I just know that name. I didn't even know that had. I know that dated Coco Jones. I didn't know this. Had a track record. Cheated. All I knew is that Yellow played sports.

[Jason]

Clay Thom is sports famous Stallion.

[Jamila]

As pop culture is absolutely more famous than him.

[Jason]

10,000 trillion.

[Jamila]

And we can measure that by how insanely this. This relationship popped up. I've never heard of this nigga's exes before him. Obviously I know who Coco Jones is. I did not know he was with her. The reason. And we. We can see it. And that's not a. That's not a diss on him. That just is what it is.

[Jason]

It just is what it is.

[Mandy B.]

Yeah.

[Jamila]

She absolutely. Them being together brought him into the zeitgeist of pop culture. Absolutely. It is what it is. That's not to say that he's not nobody. But in re. In. In in relation to pop culture, people who don't.

[Jason]

They didn't know who that nigga, you know, Steph Curry. You don't know Klay Thompson if you don't pay attention to basketball.

[Jamila]

Like that's real. Right?

[Mandy B.]

I mean, you have the advantage here. Could you.

[Mandy V.]

I mean. But not only do I know that, like, how does nigga grow up whether he's lame or not, whether he looks lame. His dad was the number one fucking pick. Who the fuck knows that? But what I'm saying is he grew up with money around privilege. Like he's grown up very privileged. Also, yes. Meg is maybe more known. That nigga is richer. That has more like so. So it wasn't a thing. And maybe comp. Looking at even his previous exes. He wasn't always with these big megs. He probably don't care to be attached a lot to who he dated. Which is also crazy because his last ex actually complained when he got with Meg because he purposely did not want to. He didn't want to post anything on social media. Told her she couldn't post on social media.

[Jason]

Clay has never made himself a Like a content creator or public figure. I don't want to make it seem

[Mandy V.]

like he's like what Lamar Odom just was. He wanted.

[Jason]

No, no, no.

[Jamila]

I don't think it was that. I don't think he got with me to be. I just think that it just happened

[Jason]

like that she happened to be the biggest.

[Jamila]

I don't even know how Megan ran into this yellow. I don't know where did she find him.

[Mandy V.]

I'm like, bro, all these athletes, rappers being mad bitches, DMs.

[Jamila]

And the thing is, you know when you said about type, I don't think Megan has dated the same type of nigga. Every time I. I see my sister like me, she's trying the different flavors all these.

[Mandy V.]

She's not. She is outside of height.

[Jamila]

She is.

[Mandy V.]

She is with.

[Jamila]

Just because these niggas are known.

[Mandy V.]

She is with known high profile.

[Jason]

But that's not a type. That's not the only type.

[Mandy B.]

I think got a type.

[Jamila]

Thing is with famous people, generally speaking, famous people, people of a certain demographic, people of a certain socioeconomic status. They date within that bubble that is known. That is not a.

[Mandy V.]

So that is a type as well.

[Jamila]

Okay, let's bring it to.

[Mandy V.]

Let's bring it to regular people. If a homegirl only dates drug dealers and scammers, and that is a. Whether they all look alike or not, isn't the fact that this person has a type because they want a man who has a certain lifestyle, a certain amount of money, a certain amount of reach.

[Jamila]

She's a millionaire though.

[Mandy V.]

A multi million. My point, her men that she have been attached to, whether she had sex with or dated, are all in the same bubble of men. So there is a type there. Let's be very clear.

[Jason]

I don't consider that a type.

[Mandy V.]

It doesn't matter what you consider it. Let hear me out.

[Jamila]

But because she hasn't been. As far as we know, she hasn't been cheated on by all these. You already said she was a cheater too at some point, Right. We don't know what happened with the soccer, how that end or the NBA nigga. We don't know what happened. So that. That's not to say that she just has this quote unquote type as far as the. The, the. The way the treat her. Yes, there are established treatment, but that's what I'm saying. Like say that.

[Mandy V.]

Hear me out, y', all, both of y'.

[Jana Kramer]

All.

[Mandy V.]

Cuz, y', all, y'.

[Jamila]

All.

[Mandy V.]

Again, if they. Are they all rappers and athletes?

[Mandy B.]

Yeah.

[Mandy V.]

Are these same types of niggas because of their proximity to power, wealth, access to women, and financial level of what the fucking money they have coming in. Which is why I brought up the regular bitch dating the drug dealer and scammer. Those are all. Yes, these same type of niggas. Which is why when we have all of these men online talking about Meg dating the same type of nigga, you're gonna be expected to deal with the same type of bullshit.

[Jamila]

So what happens if Megan Thee stallion gets herself a local lawyer and he does the same thing to me?

[Jason]

What if.

[Wheezy]

Good point.

[Jamila]

So then what's the conversation now? Is it you dating the same type of nigga? What's the conversation?

[Mandy V.]

We haven't seen her dating a different type as well.

[Jamila]

How do you know that?

[Jason]

We do not know.

[Mandy V.]

We don't know. We haven't. But everyone that she's been tied to publicly, which she makes it public.

[Mandy B.]

Yeah.

[Mandy V.]

Have all been the same type of nigga. Let's not. What if this to death? We don't know who else she done laid up with, but everyone she has attached herself to publicly has all been the same type of guy.

[Mandy B.]

Who next?

[Mandy V.]

Have they all looked alike? No. Yet. Tory Lanez is short as fuck. You got Klay Thompson, who's six' eight, but they are the same type of nigga.

[Jason]

No, but here's why I say this is why I push back against the idea of type. Because, yeah, okay, we're all entertainers. We all can be expected to have whatever level of flaws. We're all different people. Party is not Clay Thompson is not whoever the. The other.

[Mandy V.]

Let's. Let's get off of this. We not going to go and act like celebrity are now not the same type. Now we're playing semantics. Let's get out of this.

[Jason]

That's just how people are.

[Mandy V.]

Yeah, but I get it. Everyone is different.

[Jason]

We know that, but she's talking about the local lawyer. The local lawyers want to cheat too.

[Mandy V.]

Then she has a like, what is

[Jason]

the excuse after that?

[Mandy V.]

We're doing what ifs Joc.

[Jamila]

So you want everybody is different. But if you're a woman who only

[Mandy V.]

dates rappers and athletes, people are gonna be like, bitch, you got a type. Because you only.

[Mandy B.]

Which is because you showed us that too.

[Mandy V.]

Because I only deal with rappers and athletes.

[Mandy B.]

Because we never heard about how the mag dealt with the bus driver or the school teacher.

[Mandy V.]

She made all this public. We not gonna sit here and act like rappers and athletes are not a type. Even when we compare them to regular people, they are just different.

[Jason]

I'M not talking about cheating, but I

[Jamila]

also think about something about cheating.

[Mandy V.]

That's where I don't know where you at.

[Jamila]

I think we're talking about proximity too because I even just me with what I'm doing, you know, going to certain events and stuff like that. The people that I'm now in proximity to are typically people within my same wheelhouse. So the people that I naturally would go towards dating are going to be within my same wheelhouse versus the things me when I was dating in college. Right. So the proximity. Typically I'm more likely to date somebody who's in college. Why? Because those are the people.

[Jason]

Because you're in college.

[Jamila]

If you are a multi millionaire, you party and you be around multimillionaires. Yes, it's going to be different. Does that come with its own things? Of course. But the same thing can be said on the men's side as well. They're also having, you know, they're picking. You're not going to find a rich man for the most part. I know there's some who date a poor woman. Right. They're not. They're not doing that.

[Mandy V.]

They all do.

[Jamila]

The majority of them are not. No, they're not.

[Mandy V.]

If we're going back to rappers and athletes. Poor bitches that work at the kids kiosk at the mall, that's their girlfriend

[Mandy B.]

or that's they

[Jason]

who they bro.

[Mandy V.]

I like.

[Jason]

You know what, who are the kiosk? Who are the kiosk wags? I never seen no kiosk wag nowhere. What the are we talking about here?

[Mandy V.]

Which wags do you know have outside

[Mandy B.]

of that got with wives and girlfriends.

[Mandy V.]

Wives and girlfriends outside of the ones that date their high school sweethearts. Paul George's was a stripper at tootsies who he. She offered mad money to have an abortion with. If we go down the line of a.

[Mandy B.]

And I could go on but what

[Mandy V.]

I'm saying is and hear me out. What she just said was millionaire niggas is not dating these whatever broke women. What I'm saying is and I know it to be fact and true. Bitches who sleep on blow up mattresses.

[Jason]

Oh yeah, yeah.

[Mandy V.]

Who have. One moment. Let me finish. You don't have a roof. Schoolmates who work at the mall or are trying to be an esthetician last check that literally can't make their rent every month are dating these millionaire men every goddamn day. And yes they are wiping these bitches. You know why?

[Mandy B.]

Why?

[Mandy V.]

Because they're available. These women can leave and drop at the Drop of a dime, babe. Come meet me in Memphis. Okay, send the flight details. A hardworking woman with a schedule cannot do that. And a lot of these men and how they they've been raised don't really accept no very much. You tell a man no because you have a goddamn schedule. They're not really going to keep asking because you're not available to them. So actually these men are going for the women who work in the clubs or at the mall or live with their mom all the goddamn time. We were just with a goddamn nigga with money. Oh, yeah, you laughing because you know where I'm going with this, bro. Nigga got money, said he. He global. Got the veneers, the clean face. Hold on, money nigga. He's talking about his woman and how he wants to introduce a threesome or like how he could fuck other bitches, but he really likes.

[Jason]

Surprise, surprise.

[Mandy V.]

Hold on, you ready?

[Jason]

Surprise, surprise.

[Mandy V.]

So we're talking about the girlfriend. This bitch lives with her mom.

[Mandy B.]

That's not his girlfriend.

[Mandy V.]

That is his girlfriend.

[Mandy B.]

Wait, the girlfriend. Hold on.

[Mandy V.]

Another country, though. In another country.

[Jason]

Okay, cool.

[Mandy V.]

In another country.

[Jason]

You trying to give that seriousness? You want me to believe that?

[Jamila]

Seriousness?

[Jason]

Serious.

[Mandy B.]

Stop.

[Mandy V.]

See, even that.

[Jason]

Stop.

[Mandy V.]

What I'm telling you is yes, stop.

[Jason]

That's not serious. That's.

[Mandy V.]

This is crazy.

[Jamila]

Proximity is still a thing. We're talking. No, you're talking about rappers. And I understand.

[Mandy V.]

Wait, this man was neither, I get that, but he was neither. He was a businessman worth a lot of money.

[Jamila]

We can look at like real numbers though. If we're going to talk about rappers, dating, you know, strippers or whatever, and, and you know, influencers or whomever. Yes. Those are not the majority of people with money though. Rappers and athletes, they're just not right. If we're talking about the majority of people with money, the doctors, the lawyers, they're more than likely going to date somebody within their same socio. Economic status. That's. That is true. That's not going to change just because we talk about celebrities. Celebrities are celebrities. Celebrities do.

[Jason]

Weird.

[Jamila]

Yeah. Those are extremes and there's a lot of shit that goes through.

[Mandy B.]

Right.

[Jamila]

Typically speaking, though, you're going to date within your social group. Yes, period.

[Mandy V.]

And also social group is not economic

[Mandy B.]

group, but also the economic.

[Jamila]

But a lot of times those crossover. There is a crossover group.

[Mandy V.]

Yeah.

[Mandy B.]

That's why we see these relationships too, if you think about it. Lifestyle, proximity, economic proximity, beautiful woman, and

[Jason]

just going to give you access to places that your economics won't take you there. Because these Want to be social capital

[Mandy V.]

red pill topic? Let's not get into how beauty offers all these advantages. I mean, I do want to. There was another topic, but we spent way too much time on this.

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[Mandy V.]

let's get into Celebrity say the Darnest Things. Jameela, need you to enter. Introduce this Boston Richie.

[Mandy B.]

Oh man.

[Jamila]

So Boston Richie, who I just learned has apparently some songs. Yes, he is apparently a rapper of some sort. His ex girlfriend decided to let the chopper sing on his ass. She exposed him for not only being a serial cheater, but a serial beater as well, beating her ass. But also revealed some text messages where he apparently sent her to the sex store, good old Tokyo Valentino to get a good old strap because he likes to be pegged. And he said, get here now. So of course, because of that alone, the Internet is a blaze talking about, oh my gosh, he likes to be pegged. He's gay, he's gay, he's gay.

[Mandy V.]

That's all.

[Jamila]

Never mind the beat him, beat him, beat him allegations. Yeah, but you know, and also the smoking gun of it all. She is currently 20. When they apparently got together, she was between 16 and 17 years old and he was of course older than that.

[Mandy V.]

The other smoking gun here is she is continuing to put him on blast. And nine girls aged 15 have all also shared text messages between them and Boston Richie, who has been apparently finding them on Instagram. And she, she exposed that he is also a serial pedophile. He is reaching out to these underage girls, inviting his hotel room, saying he needs them. And this clearly is a case of a man who is not only into younger women but is grooming them into being into something sexually that otherwise they may not have been introduced to far later. And then also, yeah, he's laying hands on them. And what's crazy is the Internet only cares about whether or not Pegan man. Yep. No one gives a fuck that she has posted pictures of her bloody eye. No one cares that she also has posted a photo of her being in a vehicle with multiple men butt naked, where she claims she was butt naked and bleeding driving from Orlando to Alabama. So there are also.

[Jamila]

And she said he would not let her out the car.

[Mandy V.]

And those also were.

[Jamila]

So she was trafficked, essentially. That is a clear definition. Once you cross them state lines, state

[Jason]

lines without traffic, you got her naked bleeding, abuse. They sound like trafficking.

[Mandy V.]

I have to say my problem with this is a lot of things. If she has these text messages from these other girls, if she has this photographic evidence, public shaming right now is not enough. Even the pegging, you bringing up and showing the text messages of the strap on and now insinuating literally in the hashtag nayou gay. Because it's out of pocket.

[Jason]

It's out of pocket.

[Mandy V.]

I think it harms us even more in terms of leaning into black men not being able to explore their sexuality. Because as soon as shit goes south. Oh, now you're gonna expose them.

[Jason]

Now that's the weapon.

[Mandy V.]

I also feel like it's really interesting that we as people aren't at all in any way trying to get this nigga the fuck outta here. As a man who's praying on 15 year old girl and who's laying his hands on women.

[Jason]

Get him, get David, put him in a wood chipper. Both of them, Both of them, both of them.

[Mandy B.]

Let's just do it.

[Jamila]

As far as sick. It's interesting because I do feel like there's a part of me that feels like, and of course this is a what if, But I feel like I wonder how big the story would have gotten if she did not show the pegging. And so I think like on, of course, like, yes, we're all focused on that. And like a lot of these ignorant ass niggas are like, ah, off. Gay, gay, gay. It's like, however, we see a lot of the times when women come out about their abusive stories, being groomed and all these things. It kind of just gets flown under the radar because it's so common and I think people are so desensitized to it and people come up with excuses. You know, people be like, oh well, where was your mama? Well, if she was fast and she wanted it and if you beat your

[Mandy V.]

ass, why did you say, I don't

[Jamila]

know how many times we have to tell y' all how many? I don't give a. If a high schooler drove up to the house and beat, beg for it. You're the adult. Yeah, I don't care. You will never, ever, ever hear me defend a grown ass person. Dating, having sexual relationships with children. Because we have to keep saying children. Because for some reason y' all think that somebody, when they turn 16, 17, even 18, that all of a sudden they're adults. I can. I can vividly remember being in high school and having crushes on people who were 25, 30. Of course I did. Of course I did get there. Imagine. Of course I did.

[Mandy V.]

Imagine the stars that we had in our binders, in our lockers, hung up on our wall. If I was 14, 15 and a B2K member or bow wow or even bitch when I was 10, Lance Gross wouldn't have tried me. Cause he gay and I know that now. But I loved me some Lance Gross. I wasn't the Justin fan at first. It was Lance Gross. NSync, white band. Oh, you might not know. You a little young.

[Jamila]

Are you not talking about Lance Gross? I thought you were talking about Lance Gross.

[Jason]

I was, sorry. Lance Bass.

[Mandy V.]

Lance Bass.

[Jason]

I was in my mind. I was like, damn. I was like,

[Mandy V.]

Lance, bas got a wife. Let me just. Lance Bass.

[Jason]

Bass. Lance Bass.

[Mandy B.]

Let's go.

[Jason]

Right.

[Mandy V.]

As a young adolescent, or even teenager, if I had proximity or access to those men, and I would have.

[Jamila]

I was ready.

[Mandy V.]

I would have spread eagle.

[Jamila]

Yes. And that makes sense. You as a 20 plus year old gotta know, you have to be like, you're a child. And even when they popped up, that little 22 year old. No, I don't want that. Now again, obviously he's quote unquote legal. He's of age. And that would not make him. I didn't want him like that.

[Mandy V.]

I want him to be the face

[Jamila]

of the league, I think. But you see the mind that I have, a nigga gets excited about young bitches sometimes, and that is disturbing. It's very nasty. He is sick. There is, you know, the porn cat category, like barely legal 18, that is extremely popular because a lot of people fantasize about being with children. And women too. Women too.

[Mandy V.]

Women too.

[Jamila]

It's very sick as twisted. And I'm gonna keep calling them children. I'm gonna keep calling you guys pedophiles because that's what you are. I cannot even fathom even the David. She was 11, bro. 11 when they met.

[Mandy V.]

11, 11, 11, 11, 11.

[Jamila]

She was 13 when she died and got chopped up into pieces. You niggas deserve death. Now out of the apparition. 40 terabytes.

[Mandy V.]

Hold on. And that's the other thing. That's the other thing. 40 terabytes of child pornography was found.

[Jamila]

That's a lot. I don't think people understand how much

[Jason]

he spent his whole life gathering child porn. Like, he's not that old to have 40 terabytes every day, all day.

[Mandy V.]

This is what you're doing 4D here in the studio. There's these little four terabyte things that we be buying around here. Them shits just to fill up. Not only take a year plus of podcasting, but bro, it's about $600 for a 4 terabyte, maybe, maybe 4, 3, $400 to store that much.

[Mandy B.]

So he's investing in it and he's organizing it.

[Jason]

Here we go.

[Mandy V.]

Here we go.

[Jason]

Yes.

[Mandy V.]

40 terabytes, y' all can hold approximately 64, 400 to 19,000 hours of video content, depending on the quality.

[Mandy B.]

Back them up, pack them up, and that's.

[Jason]

It's 50,000, 500,000 photos like children. Come on.

[Mandy V.]

He a nasty. He a nasty wood chipper.

[Jamila]

And Boston Richie did respond, so.

[Mandy V.]

But Boston Richie responded.

[Jamila]

He didn't say a ass thing. He ain't say a ass thing. And I think that what was disturbing me was the comments. Of course, you know, Shade Room, they're good for one thing and one thing only, and that's reposting. When he got to them comments, I said, now I will say in recent history, I do feel like the majority of the comments was on the right side of history, but, oh, there was a select where they were blaming her, saying, well, why are you saying it now? I don't care if the bitch waited to her deathbed to say it.

[Jason]

Yeah, it doesn't matter.

[Jamila]

Why do y' all give a fuck when somebody comes out about their abuse? Especially people. It's always people who have never been there too. Like, oh, that would have never been me.

[Mandy V.]

However. However what he did respond, I'm play

[Boston Richie]

this well, I hate to say this because I. I ain't even the type of Internet that go on the Internet and goddamn speak on my personal life, my relationship status.

[Mandy V.]

I'm gonna tell you what excuse he

[Boston Richie]

uses for anything relationship that I don't went through it. Like, I don't. I ain't never been a. That ran to the net and try to speak my behalf on the situation. I always take it to the chance. But averaging it when. When it's like a person you love take advantage and bully you at all costs. When I don't. When I'm a. That don't sit back and sacrifice everything for this girl. So my. I don't want to kiss my mama, my sisters, my bm, my label. I don't want to get the world about this girl. And since day one, the first time a seen me and shouted together, it been negative. It always been negative. Like, even with the age, the. The underage. I ain't never going in there and tell the, like, tell nothing about that. Tell the truth about that. I always live by one thing. I'm gonna protect you. I'll take it to the chin. As long as you grow up, I'm cool with it.

[Mandy V.]

First off, that's even nasty.

[Jamila]

Nigga ain't never said, I ain't do that shit.

[Mandy V.]

No, he literally said, even when people came to me about your age, I stood on your side and took it on the chin as if that was okay. But also, he further discussing. He further goes to say he spent millions on this girl during their relationship. As if that is supposed to make everything okay. The abuse, what he had her doing sexually, all these things. He goes to say, I went against everybody because I loved you. And also I spent millions on you. Which is what I wanted to respond to what you said. Where a lot of women may be like, yeah, da, da, da, da. Him even bringing up the money he spent. Unfortunately, a lot of women make excuses for.

[Mandy B.]

That's the bar.

[Mandy V.]

Why they. And that's the bar. That is the bar king.

[Jamila]

That's financial abuse.

[Mandy B.]

And that's why they always use it to justify the.

[Jason]

You don't want her to speak on this shit.

[Mandy V.]

Yeah, and even framing it as if she was there.

[Jason]

Yeah, but framing it as if they came to me about your age and I protected you. I mean, what.

[Mandy B.]

Also that you protected me?

[Jason]

No, you protected you.

[Mandy B.]

Which also means they were with intervention, trying to. Someone was like, hey, there was obviously conversation with the adults in the room.

[Mandy V.]

Hold on. Cause he said the label, the baby mama, his family, he went against everybody. But that's what I'm saying. You don't get to sit here and act like you're innocent and your hands are clean here.

[Mandy B.]

And stop saying you don't go to the Internet when you put all your shit on the Internet. I don't like to be going on. But you on the Internet.

[Jason]

But you on the Internet.

[Mandy B.]

It's the marketplace. Yeah.

[Jason]

That's where you at right now.

[Mandy V.]

And this is where I just want to implore parents. The Instagram is Open. And boy, do these blue check marks make lame N look enticing.

[Mandy B.]

Oh, man. 1599.

[Mandy V.]

I need y' all to have real conversations with your teenage daughters about these predators and predators being these celebrities. I mean, not too much on him. Cause I like him. But there's a lot of conversations about Drake having these inappropriate relationships with.

[Mandy B.]

All right.

[Mandy V.]

Your teenage girls should not be even friends with guys into their 20s. There's no reason for there to even be a friendship.

[Jason]

There's no dialogue to be had.

[Mandy V.]

There's no dialogue to be had. There's no hanging out to have because

[Mandy B.]

the adult has the power. The girl is gonna be like, oh, my gosh, I got a celebrity. They're not mature enough yet to have that.

[Mandy V.]

These blue check marks, it's dangerous. Make these niggas enticing. Mind you, David and this motherfucker ugly.

[Jamila]

Ugly as hell.

[Mandy V.]

They're ugly as shit. But they had a blue check mark. I do wanna. I do wanna leave off with this because where people are making it a joke again. He is known for this song.

[Jamila]

I'm really surprised he has this money, though. Cause I'm like, I don't know you.

[Mandy B.]

I don't know.

[Jason]

Yeah, I don't know these songs. Yeah. I don't understand.

[Jamila]

I don't know.

[Mandy B.]

All these niggas got financiers.

[Mandy V.]

Not even financiers, bro. They're all still fucking drug dealers.

[Jason]

And you sound like a country nigga. So why Boston? I don't understand that.

[Mandy B.]

Like, Boston, Boston. Richie might be the original OG drug lord from Boston or something. Maybe I'll look that up.

[Mandy V.]

Yeah, I have the song, but it's okay. Cause we probably not gonna be able to hear it. It's all good. Again. No. A comedian made a song playing off of his song Help Me and instead

[Jason]

made a whole remix about being googling his name. I saw he had a song called you'd be is weird. And I'm like, you like.

[Mandy V.]

But I. I. No, I think that's the disc record that he just.

[Jamila]

Which is why I think that's. She's like, on top of everything that I dealt with, you, you want to have a diss track about me? And it's like, yeah, like, imagine she was going to go silently. And you decided the audacity of your ass to drop a dis song about me knowing all the. And that's the thing. Like, these n. They're not. They're not scared of enough about, you know, the. The consequences. They don't give a. They. This David killed Celeste and went on

[Mandy V.]

tour and went on tour.

[Jamila]

They are not afraid enough of consequences. And a lot of people saying like, oh well I. I think he did it to save her his career. Actually I'm not even going to give him that. I think he healed her, cuz he wanted to kill somebody. I think he's a murderer because how many times have these had amazing careers after they have molested children. R. Kelly is still being played right now. He is in jail. If the came out of jail right now, now N would be able to sell out.

[Mandy V.]

He wouldn't sell out arenas, it would be packed.

[Jamila]

So it's like that wouldn't even affect your career. Nigga, you would have been all right. You just wanted to kill a bitch. You just wanted to beat on a bitch.

[Jason]

Stop business.

[Mandy V.]

You like wanted to beat on a bitch 100%.

[Mandy B.]

And that, my dear, is the prototype for this show. Selective ignorance. Cause that's what we all participate in as a community, as a fucking nation, as a state, a fucking whatever, third, eighth world country. Cause everybody crazy, bro.

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[Mandy V.]

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[Ray Porter]

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[Mandy V.]

I don't want to spend too much time on it. But real quick, any thoughts on the shooting?

[Mandy B.]

Don't got you slipping though. Oh the Tubi Show Mal the to be taping.

[Jason]

Here's the only thing I have to say about the shooting is that like I understand the impulse of questioning everything, especially in this administration because it seems we know the type of games that Trump would like to play with the media with clout chasing, with putting on spectacle. The only thing is, the only reason that I'm hesitant to engage in that is because. Because for the reporters and the journalists who were actually there in the room, to them that was not a game and I don't know if it was staged. I Don't know if it was, if someone set up a fake shooting for it to be something. But for the people who were in

[Mandy V.]

the room, those weapons were real.

[Jason]

That shit was real. Niggas are under tables and scrambling for their life thinking they about to die. So it's like. I don't know how to call that one way or another, whether it's a false flag or what the thing is, but when you hear the actual people who were there talk about it, they would clearly see scared for their life.

[Mandy V.]

It's scary that this nigga done hired and fired all these different department heads. We got a Secret service military.

[Mandy B.]

Military.

[Jason]

This n ran, right?

[Mandy V.]

We had a secret service that shot another secret service. There is a active shooter here. And I'm confused with even the fact that again, this is allegedly what, a third assassination.

[Jamila]

That's what I was going to say. So we are now to the point where we've already allegedly had alleged an attempt, right? You would think when we know how insane Secret Service is. You guys have never been around Secret Service, baby. Them don't play. And they're, you know, typically apolitical, right? They're going to protect that because they're. Them ain't nothing but a soldier. They don't even got brains. They ain't nothing but soldiers, right? So my whole thing is I simp. And this is why I say I question it. And I hate to question everything and I'm not a super conspiracy theorist because there's. It gets spooky on the conspiracy theory side, right? Because at this point, you guys just don't know what you're talking about. How, however, comma, there's just too many things that don't make sense to me and that don't line up to. To even remotely make sense. You mean to tell me the most protected man in the world. In the world. Has now had three assassination attempts that have gotten mighty fucking close?

[Jason]

Real close.

[Jamila]

Number one. But number two, and none of the assassinate.

[Mandy V.]

Assassinators. Yeah, assassins.

[Jamila]

Yeah.

[Mandy B.]

Well, that's if. Hey, hey now. News flash. News.

[Jamila]

It doesn't make sense. You mean to tell me it's just so convenient that the. The ballroom construction was shut down and until that there was a need for it and all of a sudden there so happened to a security need for the ballroom that you never fucking needed before, Right. I think they're watching the video. You mean to tell me this nigga came in there with a shotgun and some knives to kill you?

[Jason]

Ran right through the security metal detector

[Mandy B.]

like just after me. The canine Dog sniffing. You know what I mean?

[Mandy V.]

That's what I'm saying.

[Jamila]

It just doesn't make sense.

[Mandy B.]

Like right after, not an hour after

[Mandy V.]

like been through tsa. Them little dog sniffers.

[Mandy B.]

Oh, they know everything.

[Mandy V.]

They sniff.

[Jamila]

And I bet you were, I bet you are right. The, the journalists were scared cuz they didn't know it was a farce.

[Jason]

I mean, and that's the thing about it.

[Jamila]

They didn't know.

[Jason]

Right. And that's.

[Jamila]

But I do think that there is a lot I don't trust a ass thing this does. I think everything that happens is so colluded and I think it's all. I think everything he does is a coup and I cannot wait for the day he is up out of here in whatever way you think that means.

[Mandy B.]

Yeah. Dallin47 wasn't even bothered. He heard a pew. Pew. He was looking around. He was looking around like it was Nick chicken nuggets.

[Jason]

Yeah, yeah.

[Mandy V.]

The last way to discuss how Trump is trying to always be also the good guy and everything. I don't know if y' all see. He is trying to come up with a plan to bail out Spirit and keep it afloat after it has announced its demise after a lot of years.

[Jamila]

And he's probably the reason that they really shutting down the yellow, the reason for everything. He will gut some shit. They bring it back. Be like, I saved it.

[Mandy B.]

See, I did it, I did it, I saved it.

[Mandy V.]

That's what he liked. We've seen him do it with TikTok.

[Jason]

Yeah. He sets a fire and then runs in with the hoes.

[Mandy B.]

So like a rapper.

[Mandy V.]

We talked about Spirit airlines shuts down after 34 years.

[Mandy B.]

Crazy.

[Mandy V.]

And yeah, this has led to quite the discussion around elitism and where people are saying, you know how this budget airline helped a lot of people get across the country. Unfortunately, we are seeing of a lot also the airlines behave immorally. Prices have skyrocketed from all of the other major carriers. Knowing that now people still have plans, still have places to be. Delta, JetBlue, United, American. There is no airline that's not to blame that hasn't been seen doing this. They have all been seen with screenshots doing this. And it's disgusting.

[Mandy B.]

And this is not even. The price going up is not even even including the trickle down effect from what's happened in the Middle East. We haven't gotten to that yet.

[Mandy V.]

We haven't even.

[Mandy B.]

So imagine when that kicks in.

[Jamila]

Oh no, no, no.

[Jason]

Summer travel is going to be fucked up.

[Mandy V.]

Summer travel, bitch. Y' all Better like the cities you live in.

[Mandy B.]

Yeah, you better carpool like a motherfucker when we talk.

[Jamila]

You know how you started the podcast about America is shitty. Now it's time to beat America's ass real quick. Because we are a country that thrives off of separating classes. That is the only way that, that we survive. Capitalism only feeds off of the exploitation of poor people. That is the. That is how capitalism works. And the fact that we have a public transportation, which is flight is public transportation. The fact that they don't have any regulation with the way in which they price these things, that is a fault of our country. The fact that we do not have railways is a fault of our country. Even simple simpling it down to Atlanta not being able to expand MARTA because of these white people who just do not want poor people to have access to transportation. It is literally just that simple. If we were a country now, to

[Mandy V.]

be fair, we are someone who has also prided ourselves on having a middle class, which a lot of other countries do not. And so when you go. Because it's. Yeah, but, but we don't understand.

[Jamila]

The majority of people don't understand what

[Mandy V.]

middle class see the wage gaps in other countries. And unfortunately what we're doing here is what a lot of other countries have been existing on. So when you go to the middle of Middle east, right? Huge difference in Dubai, giving literally money to people who are born in Dubai. And then all of the immigrants that come in, they get no help. And so even in Ghana, even in Nigeria, wage gaps. You have a upper class and you have a lower class. And we are heading to the middle.

[Jason]

We're practically there.

[Mandy V.]

Because a lot of what the American dream was as well was the fact that that middle class existed. Existed where you could still provide for your family on a two, two income household or even one. Right now the conversation is you have

[Jamila]

to have multiple jobs because it's shrinking,

[Mandy V.]

because the middle class is shrinking, which means the age. But the wage gap is.

[Jamila]

And here's my two woke take. The idea of having a middle class was only to pacify us in the first place. That is why I was gonna get to. Because it's like, no, you can be middle class. You can do it, you can do it.

[Mandy V.]

You're good, you're good.

[Jason]

It's a dream.

[Jamila]

We're not.

[Mandy V.]

It's a dream.

[Jason]

It's a dream.

[Mandy V.]

You can't.

[Jamila]

It's a constant fight. It's a constant pursuit. It's gonna pur. It is a constant evil trap. Capitalism is the end all be all to evil and you are never going to escape it. It is impossible to escape. We have to uproot these systems because it's going to keep trickling down. And the issue is now we have somebody who is exacerbating these issues. But we've been dealing with this. The middle class has always been a struggling cast. Also, you've only ever been able to not struggle if you were upper middle class. Even the middle class. I mean, middle class has always also been a struggle. I've grown up middle class my entire

[Mandy V.]

life and still had access being in middle class to food stamps, to 4C. Two things that helped you with your, with paying your rent, with certain things. Even in terms of healthcare, you could still be middle class and have Medicaid. I grew up middle class and got all of those things. But now, seeing even where my mom is making more money than she's ever made in her life and now everything is struggle. It's struggle. It's like, damn, I'm finally making $70,000 a year and I'm behind. I'm still having to go to amscot for cash advances. Like those being real things for people. Making 70 grand, yeah. Is insane because rent is being lifted.

[Jamila]

People are now seeing the evils of capitalism when it's all. It's all. The foot has always been on our neck. But now, because we have Trump, who's very out loud and proud about being a capitalist devil amongst other things, now everyone is seeing just how detrimental these things are. But we were always trying to tell you guys that these systems are not beneficial to you. We're all just chasing our tail. You're never gonna be able to live a life.

[Mandy V.]

I know. Jameela, you may have been able to see those conversations in your lifetime as a millennial who graduated high school in 2009, who was very aware of the 08 crash and what happened with the, with the stock market crash, seeing what happened within real estate, seeing everyone still and being told us we all needed to go to college because as long as you went to college, got your degrees, got, you would have a job you would be able to get, you would be fine. We, as, as graduates, as millennials, were still force fed that and believed that. So this conversation around middle class and now seeing everything crash amongst us is something that we've only still been privy to.

[Jamila]

But also it's not new, though, because the Black Panthers were communist. The Black Panthers, when you talk about Martin Luther King, he was a socialist. They've been telling us for years that the real issue is money. It is capitalism. And that's why the Rainbow Coalition became a thing. That's why Martin Luther King was talking about class. Because it's not just black people that is under the threat of capitalism. Everybody is broke ass crackers don't have nothing either. Yes, we were the, we were the face of it. We were. Listen, we got it the worst.

[Jason]

Demonize.

[Jamila]

Yes. But they use poor white folks to do those things and they don't even. They're so, yeah, they're so dumb, ignorant and racist that they don't realize you're being stepped on too. So it's not a new concept, it's an old concept. But people don't want to listen to black folks because when, when, when they, when white people feel like, well I'm better off white still, they don't care.

[Mandy V.]

Well that's what we're saying. Seeing now with Tucker Carlson Renegin, Theo Vaughn Renegin and all of these people

[Jamila]

with voices because they're getting affected.

[Jason]

Pro Trump big maggots.

[Mandy V.]

They're seeing that. Oh shit. While maybe. And even Caitlyn Clark.

[Jason]

Not Caitlyn Clark, Caitlyn Jenner.

[Mandy V.]

I'm fucking up everyone's.

[Jason]

And Candace too to some degree.

[Mandy V.]

Candace, we're seeing now maybe where they're not fully affected. They see that their family is.

[Jamila]

And be clear, it's still a grift. I don't trust none of them.

[Jason]

Yeah, I don't see. I don't trust.

[Jamila]

It's absolutely, it's not real. And, and the thing is they've always been affected. But that was the. See, and this is why Ronald Reagan will always burn in hell. Him and Nixon, they implemented the Southern strategy that has been reigning supreme ever since. And that's why these poor white folks really truly believe that they have a, a leg up. No, you poor white cracker. You too are being disadvantaged and disenfranchised. But you don't realize it. You think that the reason you can't get a job is because of black, black people and Mexicans. You are feeding into this bullshit that these people have been telling you because they still want your white poor ass away from them. They don't want you nowhere near Trump don't give a fuck about none of them niggas.

[Mandy V.]

Nobody. And now with Spirit Airlines being gone, they are, are, are shrinking. Shrinkening the, the ability as well for, for people to go see family members that are sick to go to graduations to celebrate vacations. Yes, I know Spirit went to Jamaica. We not talking about that. We're talking about the ability for family members to see each other across this state that spans bigger than many countries.

[Jamila]

Our country. We're too goddamn big to not be able to travel.

[Mandy V.]

Not only that, if you have had the opportunity to go abroad, baby, you can get from different countries for less than $200 easy.

[Jason]

What you can get.

[Mandy V.]

We can't get across our country, bro. My flights can to LA next week. 1,200 economy 893. Almost $1,000 for a flight from Atlanta to LAX.

[Jamila]

Two big hubs, mind you.

[Mandy V.]

Mind you. Not only two big hubs. During the pandemic a flight like that was 250.

[Mandy B.]

I see the play.

[Mandy V.]

What really is, is that whoever took advantage during pandemic, this is true trickle down from that they were in their little bunkers making, making up what we're experiencing now. And we all didn't see it because just wanted.

[Jamila]

Because Republicans believe in deregulation because they are profiting off of it because of their. The way in which they, you know, put their money into the stocks and bonds. There's a lot of things that can happen right now without. Because we already know capitalism, it's going to stay for a while. There are things we can do right now that doesn't have anything to do with taking capitalism off the table.

[Mandy V.]

What are things we can do?

[Jamila]

For one, we need to stop politicians from being able to have private equity first and foremost.

[Mandy V.]

Okay.

[Jason]

No more day trading, no more stocks.

[Jamila]

We need to put. This is doable. We need to put a limit on lobbying. I think that we should do away with lobbying altogether, but I know that's not realistic. We need to limit lobbying. The reason that a lot of these laws do not get passed is because these politicians are benefiting from them not being passed or them being passed. We need to decenter men.

[Mandy V.]

No, Sorry.

[Jamila]

Sorry. Although we are a pay for play type of state, there are certain institutions that should not be profitable. The two I can think of.

[Mandy V.]

Prisons.

[Jamila]

No education.

[Mandy V.]

Okay.

[Jamila]

And health care.

[Mandy V.]

Okay.

[Jamila]

I also believe in, in deprivatizing prisons. I just know that that's not a realistic goal today.

[Mandy V.]

Today.

[Jamila]

Those are things we can do right now. Today that will change drastically everyone life like for a very long time. There are Democrats right now that voted against that.

[Mandy V.]

They will buy that. We're not seeing that big pharma being demonetized.

[Jason]

They're in everybody's pocket.

[Jamila]

No, no, no, no. It's not about being defunded though.

[Mandy V.]

What we won't see that in our lifetime.

[Jamila]

You have to Start with. We have to start with the lobbying. We have to start with the lobbying and, and them not being able to profit off of the stocks if we start there. I guarantee you they will vote on the other things. Because the only reason that they don't vote on these things and such as gun. Gun laws and things like that is because they're being paid by the nra. Right. So if you're. If there's no. If there's no benefit, if you're not being paid to do this, you have nothing left to do but to vote on what makes sense logically. This happens every single time. The reason that the Democrats do not want to vote for, you know, I don't know, the weapon stop going to Gaza is because all of them are getting money from apac.

[Mandy V.]

Yeah.

[Jason]

And I see you and the other caveat. Not even a caveat. The other addendum I would put on that is term limits. Because when you can play the long

[Mandy V.]

game, specifically with the Supreme Court.

[Jason]

Yeah. They gotta go sit around here. Cause then you can play the long game of like, okay, I can set this up so that, okay, maybe I don't make all the bread this year, but I'm not going nowhere. My district is super red. I've been the incumbent forever. No one can even remotely challenge me because I got all the bread from the lobbyists. So I just sit here and just wait it out. They don't even shit going.

[Jamila]

And we need to either one of two things you eat either need to bring down the salary of these state representatives or you need to bring up minimum wage. Because I think that they need to make minimum wage. So now have that conversation because I thought you did it for the love of the game.

[Mandy V.]

Minimum wage.

[Jason]

You're public service.

[Mandy V.]

It's not a living wage.

[Jamila]

Make them niggas live off of minimum wage. I guarantee they want to raise that bitch.

[Wheezy]

Oh, nope.

[Mandy V.]

They're just gonna find other scams and ways. That's what is gonna happen.

[Mandy B.]

Your man gonna have Trump air coming soon. You gonna ride Trump air?

[Jason]

I wouldn't be surprised at all. That would not surprise me. In the lead and his cop out

[Mandy B.]

will be what's the place run by

[Mandy V.]

you think he gonna make a Trump

[Mandy B.]

error as y' all was talking about? Oh, shit, I didn't realize he was trying.

[Jamila]

I wouldn't be surprised.

[Mandy B.]

Save the day, quote unquote and shit like this. What if he do that and reverse

[Jamila]

uno and hey, this nigga is making money. Them politicians made money off of that pandemic. There were Politicians who invested in in

[Mandy V.]

body bags, you know that they invested in big pharma.

[Mandy B.]

Oh, during COVID did the body bag stuff.

[Jamila]

That's insane. They're all going to hell.

[Mandy V.]

This world is insane. And like I said, I just want to reiterate. Clearly, America is not the best, y'.

[Wheezy]

All.

[Jason]

No, America's down bad.

[Mandy V.]

There's just other countries been down bad too anytime soon. Anyways, Jamila, where can people listen to you? Cause you have all these opinions and I think they love it.

[Jamila]

Thank you guys for loving my opinions. I love them as well.

[Jason]

That makes two of us, you know what I mean?

[Jamila]

You guys can follow me on all my social media. Iamjameela. I do have a YouTube channel, Jameela Bell, and you can catch me on the Unhinged no More podcast every Thursday.

[Mandy V.]

Every Thursday. Jah. You on CNN this week.

[Jason]

I believe I will get a call probably on Thursday to come in and talk some shit with my man Victor Blackwell on this morning weekend. So you'll probably see me Sunday morning at 7am Wake your ass up on your television to CNN and just have it on.

[Mandy B.]

Have it on King Game one tonight. Oh God, no. Sorry. When this comes out, it'll be over. We already would have finished we for Sixers. You know what I'm saying? Shout out to all the Knick fans out there. Shout out to the A.T. aliens. You know what I mean? Much love. I know y' all in vacationing right now. Yeah, we'll keep the beers cold so y' all already know.

[Mandy V.]

Tune in Friday for the second episode. Drop of selection Selective Ignorance. If you didn't know, we drop twice a week. So every Tuesday and every Friday, the hardest working podcast. Hello. Make sure you subscribe wherever you subscribe. And if you aren't also listening, check out Decisions, Decisions. Anyways, guys, this is Selective Ignorance. Where curiosity lives. Controversy Thoughts. A production of the Black Effect podcast. See you next week. For more podcasts, iHeartRadio, visit the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcast or wherever you listen to your favorite shows. Thanks for tuning in. The Selective Ignorance of Mandy B. Selective Ignorance is executive produced by Mandy B. And it's a full Court Media Studio production with lead producers Jason Rodriguez, that's me. And Aaron A. King Howard. Now do us a favor and rate, subscribe, comment and share wherever you get your favorite podcast. And be sure to follow Selective Ignorance on Instagram. Selective underscore ignorant. And of course, if you're not following our host, Mandy B. Make sure you're following her at Fullcourt Pumps. Now if you want the full video experience of Selective Ignorance, make sure you subscribe to the Patreon. It's patreon.com SelectiveIgnorance it's your girl, Mandy B. And you just checked out my new podcast, Selective Ignorance. If you enjoyed this episode, make sure you head on over and hit that subscribe button and check out Selective Ignorance every Tuesday and every Friday wherever you listen to your favorite podcast.

[Jamila]

Yes,

[Mandy V.]

it's me again.

[Jamila]

We prepped.

[Mandy V.]

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[Jamila]

Yeah, yeah.

[Mandy V.]

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[Jamila]

This is.

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[Mandy V.]

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[Jamila]

Yep, you needed that.

[Mandy B.]

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[Jamila]

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