Today, I’m talking with Mike Krieger, the new chief product officer at Anthropic, one of the hottest AI companies in the industry. Anthropic’s main product right now is Claude, the name of both its industry-leading AI model and a chatbot that competes with ChatGPT.

Mike has a fascinating resume: he was the cofounder of Instagram, and then started AI-powered newsreader Artifact. I was a fan of Artifact, so I wanted to know more about the decision to shut it down as well as the decision to sell it to Yahoo. And then I wanted to know why Mike decided to join Anthropic and work in AI — an industry with a lot of investment, but very few consumer products to justify it. What’s this all for?

Links:

Instagram co-founder Mike Krieger is Anthropic’s new chief product officer | The Verge
Instagram’s co-founders are shutting down their Artifact news app | The Verge
Yahoo resurrects Artifact inside a new AI-powered News app | The Verge
Authors sue Anthropic for training AI using pirated books | The Verge
The text file that runs the internet | The Verge
Anthropic’s crawler is ignoring websites’ anti-AI scraping policies | The Verge
Golden Gate Claude | Anthropic
Inside the white-hot center of AI doomerism | New York Times
Dario Amodei, CEO of Anthropic, on the paradoxes of AI safety | Hard Fork
No one’s ready for this | The Verge
OpenAI announces SearchGPT, its AI-powered search engine | The Verge
Amazon-backed Anthropic rolls out Claude AI for big business | CNBC

Transcript: https://www.theverge.com/e/24001603

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Anthropic’s Mike Krieger wants to build AI products that are worth the hype