Jennifer Scanlon is CEO of UL Solutions, one of those hidden-in-plain-sight companies we like to poke at here on Decoder. UL's been around for more than 100 years; it started as a way for insurance companies to standardize fire and safety testing as electricity was the new technology spreading into homes.

But now it's everywhere, and "safety" in tech doesn't just mean the hardware. UL is adapting quickly to the connected, AI-powered era... but do the companies making and distributing tech even care about standards anymore?

Links:

How fake UL certifications led to Chinese ebike suit | Electrek
FCC IoT program loses UL after China probe | Cybersecurity Dive
FCC’s Carr probes IoT program lab over “ties to China” | PC Mag
The US router ban, explained | The Verge
More than 500,000 hoverboards recalled (2016) | The Verge
Brendan Carr is a dummy | The Vergecast

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That UL safety logo is a lot more complicated than it looks