Ep. 219 (Part 1 of 2) | Constitutional Law expert and Ethics professor Mark Fischler joins Deep Transformation again, to help us make sense of the slide towards authoritarianism happening in the United States today. Mark’s vast knowledge of the law, the Constitution, and the Supreme Court, his deep comprehension of ethics and morality, his Integral understanding, and his profound contemplative awareness all make for an extraordinary exploration of what is going on in this country at levels we don’t often consider. Beginning with examples of events in 2025 that are representative of various facets of authoritarianism, Mark goes on to discuss how the very crassness of the current Administration is undermining democracy: “We need to demand civil, fact-based discussion from our leaders, but we’re all accepting it’s okay to act like toddlers and dehumanize each other.”

Mark cites some stunning figures illustrating the widespread ignorance of democratic processes and institutions among the populace in this country, and describes why a lack of civic understanding makes us susceptible to authoritarians coming in and taking over. He also acknowledges that progressives are at fault for marginalizing conservatives, and calls on us to recognize the honor and dignity of all people, regardless of their politics—this is part of the solution, he explains. Mark’s passionate caring, wanting the best for all people and all beings, is a current that flows throughout, grounding the discussion in a beautiful way, while also making for a heartbreaking contrast relative to the chilling events happening in the political arena now. Recorded December 4, 2025.

“An ignorant people can never remain a free people.” – Thomas Jefferson

Topics & Time Stamps – Part 1

Introducing a frequent guest on Deep Transformation: Ethics, Law & Criminal Justice professor Mark Fischler, to help us make sense of our deteriorating democracy (00:43)
The trajectory of Trump’s presidency: the devolution of democracy towards authoritarian government (01:51)
John presents defining characteristics of fascism according to A. I. (04:01)
How does Mark define authoritarianism? (07:24)
Mark offers examples of 12 hallmarks of authoritarian government that happened in 2025, beginning with the stifling of dissent and speech (08:12)
Statistics on how U.S. citizens feel our democracy is performing (16:51)
What surprises Mark the most? The crassness & crudeness of the Trump Administration (18:15)
The deterioration in the greater culture at large: who and what is responsible? (21:19)
Deflecting our attention using whataboutism breeds cynicism & corrodes our democracy (24:45)
We need to demand civil, fact-based discussion from our leaders, but we’re all accepting it’s okay to act like toddlers and dehumanize each other (30:00)
Recognizing the humanity & inner dignity of everyone is part of the solution (31:16)
Progressives on their side are at fault for marginalizing conservatives (33:38)
The red meme mentality (Spiral Dynamics) that is taking place (39:24)
Why pervasive civic ignorance in the U.S. is a very significant problem (41:57)

Resources & References – Part 1

Professor Mark Fischler, Plymouth State University
The Integral Justice Warrior series, co-hosted by Mark Fischler and Corey deVos (Integral Life website)
NY Times Editorial Board, Are We Losing Our Democracy? (Oct 2025)
Judge Michael Luttig, President for Life (The Atlantic, Dec 2025)
Tom Nichols, A Confederacy of Toddlers (The Atlantic, Nov 2025)
Supreme Court Justice David Souter
Ken Wilber’s prime directive: protect and promote the well-being of the whole developmental spiral of consciousness, rather than privileging just one level or worldview, A Theory of Everything
Mona Charon, Whataboutism Is Rotting Our Brains, Our Consciences, and Our Politics (The Bulwark, June 2025)
David Brooks, What if We’re the Bad Guys Here? (NY Times Opinion, Aug 2023)
Don Beck & Christopher Cowan, Spiral Dynamics, Mastering Values, Leadership and Change
Ken Wilber, Boomeritis
Justice David Souter’s speech at UNH’s Franklin Pierce School of Law: Constitutionally Speaking: How Does The Constitution Keep Up With The Times

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Mark Fischler is a professor of Ethics, Constitutional Law, and Criminal Procedure at Plymouth State University. Prior to joining the Plymouth State faculty, he practiced law, representing poor criminal defendants for the New Hampshire Public Defender’s Office. Mark left the law after being guided by the Universe to focus on his Spiritual Awareness for almost two years. Upon his return, he was called to become a teacher and accepted a job at Plymouth State in 2003.

Since then, Mark has worked extensively with alternative theoretical models in law, constitutional law, and higher education, and has published on integral applications to teaching, being a lawyer, and legal theory. In his time at the university, he’s been a chair, Dean, and Interim VP. His focus in the classroom is ethics and criminal procedure and constitutional law. He is well respected for a teaching philos...