← Deepen with Pastor Joby Martin
Loading summary
Transcript131 lines
- [00:01]
A
Welcome to Deepen with Pastor Joby Martin. The Church of 1122 is a movement for all people to discover and deepen a relationship with Jesus Christ. And we're praying this message helps you deepen your relationship with him. Now let's dive in. Sometimes when you're living through history, you don't know it, but like tonight we lived through history and we're actually doing some history right now because this is probably the first time in the history of the universe that we have converging podcasts. Three converging podcasts. We've got Deepen. We've got resilient and undaunted life. So I just need to know, like, from you guys, because you haven't really done much, like with your career. Your resume is kind of whack. But, like, what's it feel like to have this, like, tremendous meeting of the minds? You know, does it feel special?
- [00:41]
B
It doesn't feel like that at all, does it? It feels like. Like that's what I'm trying to build it up. Two guys that I know pretty good that I'm just going to catch up with. That's what it actually feels on my idea.
- [00:50]
C
Come on me. I think, I think the day feels special. So I'm kind of tying it together with. We had a real special day.
- [00:56]
B
You called and killed an alligator today.
- [00:58]
C
I did.
- [00:58]
B
Was that cooler than talking spoke at 11:22?
- [01:00]
C
Yeah, it was, it was. It was cool. But it wasn't as cool as the eng of those men. It wasn't just like the amount of men showed up, which was incredible, but just that they came, they came, they showed up here with so much passion. And I just really. It's really encouraging with for me right now because, you know, I'm sure everybody's felt the last few months of just this darkness. And so just to see this resurgent of this is firelight inside of men right now is like, it made it a good day for me. So it kind of. It kind of shadows your. A little trifecto.
- [01:26]
A
Yeah, well, you know, I was just trying. I had to come up with something to say at the beginning because Viny's not here. But no, the thing that's really interesting watching because people were making the joke because they're like, weren't you just here? I was like, well, yeah, so we have. They had saturated last week that's coming out, you know, about a week or so after we record. And so that's basically church. Like big, big time church, like Wednesday through Sunday, right?
- [01:46]
B
Yeah.
- [01:46]
A
And then everyone Kind of got to catch their breath. And then, you know, continuing the Worship is War series. And then we get in there tonight, and you never really know exactly what to expect, kind of with men's events, because we've all spoken to men's events before, and sometimes you get dudes that are, like, leaning forward a little bit, and then sometimes you get guys that are just kind of like, there's, like, a little malaise. But the energy that was in the room tonight was, like, substantial before the first chord was played. And so, like. Yeah, I mean, Joby, you're just kind of used to this. It's kind of old hat for you. But, like, I try to. I try to tell your staff. I'm like, do y' all realize how weird this is? Like, all this is very weird. But the timing couldn't be better with what we're going through as a country, too.
- [02:20]
B
Yeah, we. I mean, this year, we're focused on calling men to stand firm and act like men. And I just thought it'd be cool to have a men's worship night. And we're in a series called Worship at War, and I just thought it'd be cool to have a warrior come tell war stories, you know? And, bro, I mean, first of all, I could listen to, like, the. The on the field war stories that you tell forever, but then also the way you connected it to, like, the enemy trying to kill, steal, and destroy you. I mean, like, the devil trying to kill you when you got home and trying to kill your marriage. And that amount of vulnerability was just really incredible, because what we're trying to do is call men into the battle and. And worship is war. When you worship God, you're not worshiping you. You're not worshiping the devil. You're worshiping the one true God. And so in case you're a little slow on the uptake, that's what tonight was. We had this big men's vit. We've never done a men's event. We don't do that kind of stuff.
- [03:10]
A
Y' all never done a night like this.
- [03:11]
B
I didn't ever, ever. We've had worship nights with the whole. For the whole church. But. And, dude, we. We. You know, there's 3,000 seats in there. We were packed here. We were packed at two of our other campuses. And it's just. Guys come into worship and just.
- [03:25]
C
Yeah.
- [03:26]
B
And hear you share your testimony.
- [03:27]
C
I just felt super compelled to, like, I mean, you know, one, tell a war story from Afghanistan, and. But. And. And two, kind of Book, bookending it. But, like, show that we're all in a spiritual war. Like, and those wars could be in the battlefield, Afghanistan. Those could be at home in your marriage and your family. They're everywhere. And. And, you know, the. But the strategies to win are the same.
- [03:50]
B
One of the things I have to fight. When I talk to guys like you, Chad, and you're telling your stories, I have to fight my story. And what I mean is I'm like, dang it, I wish I would have been a Marine instead of go to college and seminary and, you know, be a youth pastor. And I just have to remind myself, if I had walked a different path, I wouldn't be able to fight the battle that I'm in today, you know, for the hearts and souls of thousands and thousands of people. But it.
- [04:20]
A
But.
- [04:20]
B
But it's another trick that the enemy uses to try to like, well, that guy's tougher you. Because. You know what I mean?
- [04:25]
A
Because I've had so many guys like you on the show. And so. And then I'll get this comment from guys. Oh, you know, I. I was on a Force Recon Marine. I wasn't a Navy seal. I'm not a bestselling author. Like, I. So I'm just kind of a nobody. There was a guy I was. I was coaching a while back and, you know, very impressive career in the Air Force. And, you know, he got saved as, you know, a kid, like, he's probably 7 or 8 years old, got saved, you know, grew up in a pastor's house and that kind of thing. And he kind of made this off the cuff comedy. He's like, yeah, but I don't really have a, you know, an exciting testimony, so I just. I just don't really, you know, share it. And so I keyed in on that. I kind of dug in a little bit. I was like, okay, give me a little bit more like, you know, why? Where does that come from? That type of thing. And then for whatever reason, Chad, I remembered this dude has two granddaughters, young granddaughters. And I was like, hey, do you want your granddaughters to have a boring testimony or an exciting one? And like, he froze. And it was like, you could tell it landed immediately because it's like your testimony is your testimony, and your testimony qualifies you to minister to a specific kind of person. There's somebody that you. You brought with you who, you know, lost one of his sons. His. One of his sons was killed. And so you spoke to him this morning, right?
- [05:31]
C
You were speaking right to him this morning he lost his 20, 20 year old son.
- [05:35]
A
And so for Joby and I, we have sons that are, that are alive. And so we can empathize with somebody. We, we can feel bad for them, we can pray for them, but he is, he is set up and trained to mentor and to, to worship with and worship through and to go to war with people in the spiritual realm that have dealt with that specific kind of darkness. You know what I mean? And so like, but I mean, having, having a guy like you to be able to tell your story, people can kind of see what the options are, especially for their own life as well.
- [06:01]
C
Well, that's funny. One of the things that I'm on the opposite end of that because of my military experience and, and you know, the MMA and those kind of things that, you know, to me it's just like, that's just my life. But to other people, they're like impressed by it. Like, I, I am very aware and, and feel like an extreme responsibility that I don't disconnect myself from people. And I, and I do that a lot when I'm training guys to speak. Like, especially special operations guys that have these incredible backgrounds. It's like you don't want to give a story that you're, you put yourself in a place that people can't connect with you. You have to still be able to show a connection between, they can relate to.
- [06:36]
B
Yeah.
- [06:37]
C
And so that's like something, you know, balancing act. You want to be able to use those stories and those platforms to gain attention and respect so they listen. But then you don't want to speak at them and not, not with them.
- [06:48]
B
You know, I just thought it was, it was ballsy the way how vulnerable you were. And you didn't sugar goat parts of your testimony. Because the problem is a bunch of grown men come to church, you know, come to an event like this or whatever, and they're like, wow, these people don't even have real struggles because it never gets meant. Now here we do. We just talk straight about it. Yeah, but I think too many people try to like, whitewash their story a little bit and. Because you don't want to give the, the, the evil one any glory or whatever.
- [07:21]
C
Right.
- [07:22]
B
But if you don't talk about real things.
- [07:23]
A
Yeah. Grimy stuff.
- [07:24]
B
Yeah, man. And I, I tell our church all the time, look, the fake you is doing just fine. A real Jesus died on the real cross for the real you. And so let's be real. And you will never learn to be free until you Learn to be real. Learn to be honest. Yeah.
- [07:35]
C
For me, I just look at what's at stake. Like, if I'm not honest about the lows, then the highs, there's not much contrast to the highs. Like, and, and so if I'm gonna. If I'm gonna point to Jesus and people, you know, see anything. If people see anything admirable in me right now, it's because they see Jesus in me. Amen. And so I need to show the rock bottom that I was at. And. And I have to be. I have to be really vulnerable and transparent about those things. And I know, too, especially from doing ministry now, that as. As terrible as some of the things I did, bad decisions I made, I'm not unique in that. I. I used to believe I was unique in that, but I'm like, oh, yeah, we're all pretty messed up. So.
- [08:09]
A
But that's what vulnerability leads to, right? Is where somebody can actually see themselves in your story a little bit because you quoted Psalm 23 tonight. And people, they kind of misunderstand that psalm to where they're like, oh, yeah, the Lord's. He's going to deliver me out of this valley. It's like, no, that's not what it says. It's that when you're in the valley, he's there with you. Right? And so for all of us, we're either in that season where we're in the valley, coming out of the valley, or about to go into the valley. And so if people can't connect, because that's one thing. There are people, Joby, your. Your kind of like putting your thumb on this. There are people that do kind of what we do for a living, where they, they speak with a microphone on their face and they shine up all the rough edges, right? They. They want to shine them up as much as possible because they think self deprecation doesn't add to their ability to have an impact.
- [08:54]
B
Right?
- [08:54]
A
But it's like when you're being vulnerable and when you're throwing yourself under the bus, you're saying, hey, guys, the, the positive things I'm saying, I'm saying that to me too. And so it's kind of like, are we preaching the word to ourselves on a daily basis or are we applying it elsewhere? And so I think that that's something that you do whenever you do share so openly about your story and your struggles and the stuff you did.
- [09:13]
C
Yeah, yeah, it's. I. I don't. I just think it's. If I'm going to do it Like, I, I, I've heard it a lot. Like, I go speak at church and, like, I can't believe how vulnerable you were. And I'm like, it's just talking. Yeah. Like what? Like, I could not do this if it wasn't going to be.
- [09:27]
B
Well, also, isn't it just the, the people that don't believe the gospel are the folks that feel like they're still ashamed of their past.
- [09:36]
C
Right.
- [09:36]
B
Like, the cross has outed us all.
- [09:38]
C
Yeah.
- [09:39]
B
So the shame has been taken away and nailed to the cross.
- [09:42]
C
Talking about a different person.
- [09:43]
B
Right. With his accusations that old Chad Robichau was dead. That old Joby is dead, man.
- [09:47]
C
Yep.
- [09:48]
B
Yeah, for sure. But I just appreciate it because, I mean, you're winning. You won everybody's respect. I mean, you tell war stories. I mean, none of us have. Have ever. Some guys in this room, in that room have. But, you know, my. Nobody in my house has stood in the field in Afghanistan and traded gunfire. And so you're like. Or nor have I won a belt in mma, you know, and you share their stories and you're kind of like, wow. And I love the connection, though, of, like, I was on the X when I got home, and I needed Jesus to do what I couldn't do.
- [10:22]
C
Yes, yes. I was saying. But we did both kill alligators, though, right?
- [10:26]
B
Yeah, yeah.
- [10:27]
C
All three of us. Right.
- [10:28]
A
That's true.
- [10:28]
B
That's right. Yeah. All with dragon.
- [10:31]
A
That's right. So shout out to Mike Dragic. But the, the cool thing about what you're saying as well is there were a lot of veterans in the, the community and in the room tonight, and a bunch of them came up and talked to you. Perhaps every single one of them came up and talked to you afterwards. But, like, the, the amazing thing about those guys is you also drew the dichotomy. There was a Vietnam vet in the room, and the way that those men were treated, and I just had one on the show. Colonel Paris Davis, who was given the Medal of Honor, like, years. He's like, during the Biden administration. Right. So he had to wait this whole long time. And what those guys went through compared to what they're coming home with now. So they were coming home with a lot of the same psychological and mental scars that people from the GWAT have come home with. But there was, there, there weren't people cheering them on. There weren't people trying to help them. And it kind of alluded to something you talked about to where it's like, you don't want to admit weakness Especially when you're surrounded by lions. Right. And then you get home, you're not surrounded by the lines anymore, but you still keep this idea that I got to keep the weakness to myself. And it's just that, I mean, Satan is super crafty. It's just a pervasive mindset that is, I mean, unfortunately, taking a lot of guys out.
- [11:36]
C
It has. I mean, I mean, there's. And we could say that, you know, after 20 something years of, you know, me and 911 was, you know.
- [11:44]
A
Yeah.
- [11:44]
C
Was, you know, 2001. So we're. Yeah, it's. You think it would have changed by now, but that's. That stereotype is still there. Like you still. It's still not just free to say, hey, I'm struggling right now. I need to take a knee. Like the military still hasn't figured it out yet.
- [12:00]
B
Wow.
- [12:00]
C
Yeah, it's. It's sad. It's. I still haven't figured it out yet.
- [12:03]
B
Yeah, we found that we. We started a first responders ministry here at the church. And one of the things that has been really helpful is we have. With every sheriff's department and every county around, and we found it to be very helpful to have folks not employed by the police department and sheriff's office as trained chaplains, because a lot of those guys won't admit things to the chaplains because. Afraid of repercussions. I mean, you know, notes get taken and people get labeled and one day for a promotion that a lot of these officers are afraid of that. And so that's not a good thing, man. Those things grow in the dark.
- [12:41]
C
I mean, that's what we. One of the things that Mighty Oaks, we've. We've denied for 15 years now, have denied government funding. And that's one of the things I was in. I was just at the White House this week. And. And because the way the VA is set up, the FDA oversees any funding of a mental health programs, so the VA cannot approve a mental health program unless the FDA approves it, which is a conflict of interest because of the pharmaceutical companies. Right. And. But we go down that rabbit hole. But, but, but where it hurts the veteran community is that now the only funding comes through clinical programs. Clinical programs keeps records, and those records have to be reported. So anybody that. That goes in, those programs have to, you know, they have to. Their. Their information's out there, right? And you think hippo or something like that, but their information's out there.
- [13:30]
B
Dude, my car is on the table. I'm just telling you, for anybody Listening. If you go to whether it's a mental health counselor or your regular doctor and you don't feel good, and they don't ask you anything about diet, exercise, sleep and relationships, and they hand you a bottle of something, you're at the wrong place. Now, I'm not completely anti pills. There's some. I mean, God heals through people prayers and pills. But if the lead question is not heart, soul, mind and strength, you know. Yeah, but it's just, I've got a prescription of that. You are in the wrong place. That person is not. That person's on the hook. And. And some of them don't even know it.
- [14:09]
C
Right.
- [14:09]
B
They just. That's just the system they grew up in. And a part of the reason, though.
- [14:12]
A
Is because the church is like, well.
- [14:13]
B
We'Ll handle spiritual things and y' all can handle everything else later. This church, we're going after heart, soul, mind and strength with people.
- [14:20]
C
Yeah.
- [14:20]
A
When like you're seeding ground to people that don't have this, to entities that don't have the capability of standing under the pressure. And so, so I talk about how churches. And we've all seen this, and we've all talked about it privately and, you know, on our respective shows, but the church has accepted its position culturally as downstream of culture, Right?
- [14:39]
C
Yeah.
- [14:40]
A
And so when. When the church starts looking up to culture and up to society and up to perhaps a political party, this, this is. That's the both sides of the issue. It'. Accepting. You're not accepting the position that God gave you.
- [14:53]
B
Right.
- [14:53]
A
You're not stepping into the position that. That God has to. Where everything else should flow from what is happening inside of the church. And you're right, Joey. Like, we've. We've abdicated our responsibility as. As churches writ large. I mean, you're the only pastor technically at the table right now, but we, We've accepted that position. And then we've also. We're the ones that accepted the position. And then we're lamenting where we are in position to culture. It's like, wait a minute.
- [15:15]
C
You.
- [15:15]
A
You can't speak real truth to power whenever you put yourself in that position to begin with.
- [15:20]
B
The other extreme is churches. Some of them, I think it's a pride thing. And they're like, well, if we didn't create it, we don't want to have anything to do with it. Well, how dumb is that? What the heck do I know about. About veteran care? Nothing. So what a lot of churches will do is like, well, we have to go out and start this thing from scratch. We don't do that. What we primarily try to do in a whole bunch of areas is we try to stay in our lane, preach the Bible, make disciples, and then partner with folks like you and you and help fuel and fund the thing God's called you to do. In actuality, according to Ephesians chapter 4, verse 20, My job is to equip the saints for the work of the ministry. The ministry actually doesn't even happen in the church. The ministry happens when the saints are equipped to go do the thing that God has called them to do. So part of the reason we would partner with Mighty Oaks and we partner with Undaunted Life is because these are areas where you guys, God has already called you. His hand of blessing is upon you. And we're just trying to fuel the things that you guys are already doing instead of us trying to create a lesser.
- [16:21]
C
It's really great to hear you say that because that's how the lead, you know, me leading the ministry of Mighty Oaks, we say the same thing, the opposite. Like, I'll tell our staff, hey, we have to be very clear, like, Mighty Oaks is not the solution to this. Yeah, this issue, we are, we are actually a conduit to the church. We will reach people that, that will never walk inside the walls of the church. We're out in the trenches, but we're not the, we're not the destination. We are a pit stop to the church. Our job is to be a conduit to the church and get them planted in local churches and homes and, and church homes. And that's, that's always been the mission of Mighty Oaks. And it's very clear to our staff.
- [16:55]
A
That, yeah, anyone that's ever ran into you guys or talk to you guys about Mighty Oaks or anyone that's on your staff like that that's so readily apparent. And again, as we're all talking about this, like we're recording this, the, the day of, of Charlie Kirk's celebration of life that's happening in Arizona. And you mentioned it tonight from the stage. I mean, somewhere in the neighborhood of 200 to 250, 000 people converged on the same location. And I've seen some debate going back and forth on, you know, whether or not he's a Christian martyr. And you know, people are like categorizing him as this or oh, well, he's a political figure and so we can't really talk about him. But literally at the event where he was assassinated just minutes before he was assassinated, he proclaimed the truth of the gospel to a non believer. And especially in the last two to three years. And that's been an inspiration to me seeing this. But in the last two to three years, that became the foundation of every single thing that he talked about. So when he was talking about a cultural issue or a societal issue or a political issue, it was going back to a biblical foundation and a biblical truth that was rooted in the truth of the gospel. And so I know that's a challenge for you with Mighty Oaks. It's challenged to me with Undone Alive to be like, okay, where is our foundation here? Am I getting out over my skis because I'm getting excited about something in culture or because I'm concerned about something politically? And so it's been, I think it's been a wake up call for a lot of people that, that do kind of parachurch ministry stuff and then Joby doing the straight up ministry stuff as well, I think.
- [18:17]
C
I mean, when you look at communities that are afflicted by all these cultural issues that are implicated from politics, these, our communities are going to need answers to these things. And so if they can't go to their church to speak biblical truths and all these cultural issues, then where do they go?
- [18:36]
B
Where do they go?
- [18:37]
C
They go to, you know, FOX News, cnn. There's no good answer anywhere. The place that they should be able to go is to their community church and the leaders in their church just to speak biblical truths in these issues.
- [18:47]
B
Yeah. So I talked last weekend and this weekend about Charlie Kirk. One it just. Well, I don't know how you don't talk about the, the biggest thing going on in the society right now. Like, you know, and I'm trying to give as much grace as I can.
- [19:02]
C
You're hiding from it if you don't.
- [19:03]
B
Some guys are cowards.
- [19:04]
A
Yeah.
- [19:05]
B
And just a heads up, man, Coward is listed as a group of people that don't make it into heaven. So I'd pay attention to that along with all kind of crazy sins. So, but, but a part of what I said today at church was if I'm the shepherd, a big part of what is happening is that people do look to me as their pastor to help navigate how do we move from here to, to get to still waters and green patches. And the folks that want to argue about Charlie Kirk, whether he's a Christian martyr or not. Okay. Did the brother, he preached the gospel to more college kids than anybody in.
- [19:38]
A
This generation in history to say that.
- [19:39]
B
He'S not a Christian martyr would be to say, John the Baptist isn't a Christian martyr because he actually didn't die for his faith, he died for his views on marriage. And that's why King Herod killed him. Nobody would say that. So people, you're just, you, you got a preconceived notion and you're just leading with your left politics as opposed to leading with the cross. And actually what's happening now in regards to Charlie Kirk is a bunch of haters are now watching his full length videos and going, huh, Yeah, I think people have been lying to me.
- [20:08]
C
Yeah, you know, it's happening a lot. That's that, you know, they, they're taking these clips and they're, and they're going back and watching, seeing the context and they're like, yep, exactly. Like we've been lied to. Which is, which is, I mean, it's a great, it's a great thing. It's, it's. They're getting woke up the other way.
- [20:25]
B
Yeah.
- [20:27]
C
Yeah.
- [20:27]
A
Well, I mean, someone was talking about if someone on the staff, I'll get the stat wrong. But it was like leading up to the election between Donald Trump and Kamala Harris, Charlie Kirk's videos specifically reviewed for like, it was something like 15 billion views in total. So if you take, you know, clips taken at Tick Tock and Instagram and it's impossible to get the actual number because people rip clips and, you know, share it elsewhere as their own. Like, I think everyone's done that at this point. But the, the thing that, that we see with his situation is the flaming arrows that were thrown at him had nowhere to land. Right. And so they, they called them all the phobes. Right. Like you're Islamophobe. You're, you know, you're a misogynist, you're a transphobe, you're a homophobe, you're, you're a xenophobe. You're all these, these negative things. And yet they can't find the quote or the clip that leads directly to that. And again, for me, I'm looking at like, okay, I said to someone the other day, because I was talking, talking to him, I was like, I kind of look at my podcast as a love letter to my sons, my five year old, my three year old, because if something happened to me and I didn't wake up tomorrow, right? There's 800 some odd episodes that those boys, at some point, as long as the Internet's still around, can go back and listen to.
- [21:31]
C
Yeah.
- [21:31]
A
And if anyone were to call their daddy, like any of the phobes or any of those. Those negative things or that he was, you know, Nazi or any of those types of things. I want them to be able to go back to the source material and say, yeah, actually my dad was, was a man of the book and he tried his best and he made some mistakes and some missteps, but he owned them and he kind of kept going forward.
- [21:50]
B
But, I mean, sometimes I think about that when I'm preaching, I preach my own funeral.
- [21:54]
A
Yeah, that's.
- [21:55]
B
I know what I'm on this planet for. I'm on this planet to share the gospel. So when I die and they put me in the box, I want whoever's going to do my funeral to be like, here's what this man was about. They're going to have h. A lot of hours of me sharing the gospel, and I'm going to share the gospel at my funeral, and then that'll be my last ministry moment, you know?
- [22:13]
C
Yeah. I mean, one of the things I loved about, about Charlie and, And, you know, I've had the privilege to speak a lot of, we. A lot of kind of speaking circuit and tech, a lot of text between us, but I've been on a show a few times and, and we actually didn't always agree on a show, but his ability to have, like to have civil discord and things he didn't agree with and, and obviously we were both conservatives, we're both very much aligned, but there was some things we didn't agree on. And man, his ability to have those conversations, like at that time, every show was going on, on the topic of Afghanistan and Ukraine. I think that the host would probably, if, even if they didn't agree to pander to me.
- [22:53]
A
Sure. Yeah.
- [22:54]
C
And. And he didn't. And man, I love the conversation.
- [22:57]
B
And that's a part of what it means to stand up back like a man.
- [22:59]
C
Yeah.
- [23:00]
A
I mean, look at Van Jones. We were just talking about that today in the truck. I mean, Van Jones is somebody. And I forget how exactly I said, but it's like Van Jones, I think he believes wrong on every other issue, but I don't think he's inherently evil. Right. Whereas some people, I think, yeah, you believe wrong and the things you, you support are evil. But he said the day before Charlie Kirk got shot that Charlie sent him a DM and he shared the, the message. And he waited a couple of weeks. He's like, I. I didn't want to seem like I was trying to get clicks or something like that. But I feel like this is important for our cultural moment because like, because that day him and Charlie were going back and forth. I think it was on Twitter or something like that. They were just going back and forth.
- [23:34]
C
And have the craning girl.
- [23:35]
A
Yeah, this, this, you know, public kerfuffle between these guys. And then Charlie basically said, hey, I want you to come on my show. Like, let's talk this out. Let's civilly disagree in front of the entire world. And the next day he's bleeding out, right? And Van Jones, you could tell, like he cried on air. Like, you know, he was just basically like, this is. He was the epitome of what he was, was preaching. Because there's a lot of people that are trying to attach things to Charlie and say, oh well, Charlie would have said this, you know, after he has gone and can't really defend himself. But I mean, it's just, again, it's just a lot of people are learning lessons.
- [24:08]
B
So what would you guys say? I mean, I know you get some hate. I assume you get some hate. Oh yeah, yeah, me too. So a guy shows up to this event tonight, right, and he feels convicted, he feels encouraged, like all the right things and he's kind of been sitting on the sidelines. And then at work tomorrow, he's like, you know what? Screw it, I'm going to stand up and act like a man. I'm going to step into my God given purpose. And then he starts getting pushed back at work from the neighborhood, you know, just all the places. I mean, I'm sure people aren't blowing him up online like they do us, but, but yeah, what would you in circle, right? Yeah. What would you say to that man? Because he's listening right now, you know.
- [24:46]
C
Yeah, I mean, I mean for me, like, you know, anytime, anytime in my life that I've moved towards something good and I could go back, like anytime I move back, moved in my life towards something good, there's been opposition, right? There's been opposition. But standing to, standing against that opposition and pressing through it led me to a better place. And so, you know, if you, if you want what you never had, you got to do what you've never done. And, and, and, and it's not going to be popular. People are going to be, if you have in bad company, they're gonna want you to stay. They want you to stay there in bad company with them. So do you want to stay with those, those people that are, that are condemning you? Do you want to stay where they are? Do you want to stay there? Or did you make a decision to go somewhere better? And if it is you made the decision to go somewhere better, well, you're. There's gonna be opposition. You're just gonna have to. And you're gonna have to endure that. It's part of. It's part of the process. It's part of the refinement.
- [25:44]
A
Yeah, Joby. I literally had this conversation with a guy like, two days ago, and he's wanting to be more bold about his faith. And he works, you know, in kind of a rough industry where a lot of people are kind of knuckleheads and do knucklehead things. And, you know, he's trying to see, like, what, what exactly he should do. And I just said, you've been, you've been operating in this way where you've had no turbulence, you've had no friction, you've had no pushback. And so things have seemed really, really nice. But if you look at even the context of iron sharpening iron, because that's everybody's favorite men's ministry things, oh, it's iron. We're iron sharpening iron. But it's like, if I looked at Yalls men's ministry, your church, it would be like two streams of lotion hitting one another. It's not, it's not iron. Like, because when iron is sharpening iron, it's loud, it's disruptive, there's sparks, there might be fire. There's all these types of things. So it's like, brother, if you're starting to feel some of that, you're over the X. Because tonight you were talking about being on the X and needing to get off the X. But if you're above it all, like, you're in the right place if you needed to drop payload. And the thing is, is you have to make sure through practice and through prayer and through making sure you're, you know, you're looking at the promptings of the Holy Spirit. You have to make sure what you're doing is righteous and moral. And so if you're in the right place and you're over the X and the people are giving you flack and negative feedback about that, that is part of your walk and like, count it all as joy, because in that moment, you are exactly where God wants you to be.
- [27:03]
C
You know what else is super important that I, I skipped over? And it's probably the most important thing is, is aligning with like minded brother. So if you change your, if you change your mind now, you're You're. You're out of a unity with the. Your old group of people. And so you need to lock arms with a new group of people. And, you know, maybe some of those old people will follow you along because they see. They can see fruit in your life. And they'd be like, I want some of that, too. But you're gonna have to go first. And so that means changing your circle. And. And that's hard sometimes.
- [27:36]
B
Yeah, that's good.
- [27:37]
C
I mean, it's. Oh, burn the ships. You know?
- [27:40]
A
That's right.
- [27:40]
B
Yeah. One of the things is, man, we don't fight to fight. We don't just fight to fight that. I mean, when. When Paul and Corinthians tells us, act like men, he ends it with, and let everything you do be done in love. That our weapons of warfare are different and our lead foot is love apart. Speaking of Charlie Kirk. So, like, what happens with Van Jones is he didn't use these words, but what he's saying is, okay, he's thinking, Charlie's a fighter, and Charlie's a what all the. Like you said, a xenophobe, homophobe, transphobe, whatever. But then his personal interaction and experience is like, oh, my God, this guy's loving towards me.
- [28:15]
C
Yeah.
- [28:16]
B
And it's disarming.
- [28:17]
A
Oh, Bill Maher said that when Charlie Kirk was on the show. And I mean, when Bill Maher has people on his podcast, like, they're smoking weed, they're drinking alcohol, like, like a whole thing. And Charlie's obviously kind of tea totaling when it comes to a lot of that. But I think at one point, like, Bill Mar just goes, man, I was just waiting to find, like, the bigot, like, the. The monster that people told me that you were, and I just haven't found him yet. And Charlie didn't use that as, like a gotcha.
- [28:40]
C
I.
- [28:41]
A
All right, now I'm going to take the mask off and, like, really get after it. And so. But as. As we close out here, I think it is very important because we've all talked about it in different context. You talked about it from stage tonight. Talk about Foxhole. We talk about Band of Brothers. We talk about Matt Toters or Matt Carriers. We talk about King's Table. We talk about all those things. Because what helps you get through those moments where you're getting that negative feedback when you're getting, you know, people that are, you know, the flaming darts of the enemy are heading your way, like, if you can lock arms and get in a phalanx with real dudes, and you're protecting the guy to your left as your right is being protected by the guy to your right. Like, to say it's invaluable is to say nothing at all.
- [29:19]
B
Yeah. I think another thing, too, is you got to pay close attention to the inputs. And so, yeah, there are three podcasts right here that would help you focus your mind on the right things, you know, because I'm sure, because we're gonna put this on all three platforms, so they're resilient guys that don't know about us and deepen. Guys that don't know about you and. And undaunted life guys that don't know about us. And so if that's you out there, do you know you have an entire library out there of some God honoring stand up and act like a man.
- [29:51]
A
Eight hundred and counting.
- [29:52]
C
I'm like. I think I'm in eight, mid-80s. Right.
- [29:54]
A
You know, you'll get there eventually, like, one of these days. Like your resume.
- [29:58]
B
Black belt podcast.
- [29:59]
C
Yeah.
- [30:00]
A
But I will say your podcast of mine aren't very holy because we don't end with prayer, but Joby's does. And so I think that's how we should do it. So let's.
- [30:07]
B
Let's pray, and then we're gonna raise things. Chad, thanks for blessing my church. You know how you love people that love your kids?
- [30:14]
A
Well, yeah.
- [30:15]
B
Well, in a real sense, I'm like the dad of this big family here, and when I see somebody bless the. The folks that I'm responsible to shepherd, it just. I love you even more now.
- [30:27]
C
Thank you. Thank you for trusting me with the privilege to get in front of your congregation.
- [30:31]
B
Dude, let's go. All right, let's pray. Father in heaven, we love you. God, thanks so much that you have created us to be men in your image, to be provider, protector, prophet, priest, servant, king, and Lord. I pray that we would step into the warfare that you have. Just like Chad said, we were born behind enemy lines. But good news. You have already won the war. Now may we just live a life that honors that. In Jesus name, Amen.
- [30:57]
C
Amen. Amen.
- [30:58]
A
Thank you for listening to the podcast.
- [31:00]
B
You nailed it.
- [31:06]
A
The reality is, everything already belongs to God. And when we give financially, we're acknowledging.
- [31:12]
C
That we trust him.
- [31:14]
A
If you just watch this and feel led to make a donation, text the word donate to 441-122 or visit coe22.com donate. Your generosity is not only an act of worship, but an investment so all people can discover and deepen a relationship with Jesus Christ.