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For your weekly detox with Tom Schwartz.
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God, what is up? Hi. It's Tuesday right now. Thank you for hanging with me. You could have been anywhere in the world, but you're here with me and I appreciate that. I love that song, by the way. H to the izzo. You know I'm talking about Jay Z. You ever wonder why they call him Hova, by the way? Hova. H, O, V A. Hova comes from J. Hova, which is to play on the name Jehovah, which I think is the Hebrew name for God, right? Kind of a riff on his divine talent or lyrical genius or whatever. I guess that's debatable, but he's pretty goaded. We like Jay Z, right? We're gonna meet up with Ahova in her own right today. She's a true. Very excited for this. They say in the quantum field, every possibility, every version of you exists at once. And I'm trying to align myself with my happy, harmonized self today. That's right. I'm thinking, first we detox, then we retox the best of both worlds. I am always doing that which I cannot do in order that I may learn how to do it. Thanks, Pablo. I feel like Pablo today, and I want to learn something new with you guys. We're gonna go on a little journey, so let's start with some wellness. Let's start this day off right. Let's learn some shit. We're gonna go get a cupping session with Kara Mauro. Marco Kendrick, D O, A, M. Doctor of acupuncture. She's a master of her craft. She can help you with fertility, pain, stress, digestion, drama. She can do it all. Facial acupuncture, microneedling, cupping. Founder of Love cupping. That's her signature style. She is wise beyond her years, and I'm hoping she can bestow some of her knowledge onto us. She's also a friend. Kara is a friend. She got that surname, Kendrick, for marrying my longtime friend Alfred Kendrick, who you may remember from the early seasons. Vpr, I think it was me, Jax, and Shea, Michael Shea. We went and did a capoeira session with him. But yeah, shout out to Kendrick Fit Arts on Sunset Boulevard. One of the best trainers in the world. They are a power couple. Two beautiful souls who I'm happy grateful to call my friends. The last time I went and did a cupping session, acupuncture was with her. And it was amazing, but I had no idea what I was doing or why, other than I heard it's good for you. I was trying to get my Schwartz back. Listen, you tell me something's good for me. Say less, I'll do it. All right. Also, afterwards, we're gonna go watch some football at Kristen and Luke's. I want to know more about Luke Broderick. Right. He was going to come with me today for this cupping session, but he's on daddy duty, so I figured we'd go over there afterwards and maybe sip something good for a little Retox. I want to know Luke's origin story. He is the Kristen Whisperer. How the heck did he end up in Inlay, Los Angeles, engaged to Kristen Doughty. Now he's the father of her child. And he's an awesome dad. He's such a cool cat. He's an outdoorsman with a heart of gold. So I'm hoping we could check in with him today. Let's have some moonshine. Let's get crazy. Maybe shine a little light on his early days. Where did you come from, Luke? He's got a lot of depth. He's a book you'd never want to judge by its cover. Although it's a beautiful cover. Don't go get me wrong. It's a great cover, Luke. Very handsome, very charming. But I think you're gonna like what's inside even more. Let's get to know Luke a little more. I want to know his origin story. So this is a fun one. We're gonna learn. We're gonna learn some shit, and then we're gonna have some fun. Okay? All right, guys. Next stop, Kara. We're gonna go get a cupping session. Why should you cup? When did it originate? What does it do? Okay, let's go find out. Let's learn, let's live, let's laugh, let's love. Next stop, Dr. Kara. Okay, Kara, where are we? What are we about to do? Hi.
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Hi.
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We're at Acculand, my acupuncture clinic here in Los Angeles, and we're about to do some cupping.
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Yes. Some love. Wake. Do you want to introduce yourself first?
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Sure. I'm Kara Mormarco Kendrick. I'm a doctor of acupuncture and East Asian medicine, and I have an office here in. In Los Angeles. I specialize in acupuncture, cupping therapy, herbal medicine. I treat a lot of patients for fertility, stress, pain and hormone balance.
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I need all of that. I'll take all of it.
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Let's do it.
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On the way here, I stopped by Katie's and dropped off the dogs, and she told me to tell you hi.
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Oh, hi to Katie.
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Hi. Katie, she says she misses you. I'm really excited to be here. I came here I don't know how long ago. A while back.
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Maybe like six years ago.
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You did my first acupuncture and cupping session, and it was, like, transformative, but I was ignorant. I had no idea what I was doing. It's all I knew is that I loved it and it felt good, and I felt really good afterwards. So I thought it'd be cool to come in here and get an education from you. A pro D. O. A. M. Yes.
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Yes.
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What's that stand for?
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Doctor of Acupuncture and Oriental Medicine. Although we don't really use the term Oriental medicine anymore. More like East Asian medicine.
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East Asian Medicine. Okay, so that's outdated.
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Yes.
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But cool. You are a master of your craft, and I'm super grateful. Thank you for taking time out of your schedule to chill with me.
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Thanks for having me, Tom.
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Yeah. I miss you. And I miss. I miss Alfred, too. I did a little intro earlier and I took capoeira classes. He was my trainer, and he actually forever changed my flexibility. We can save that for another episode, but shout out to Alfred if you ever listen to this Alfred. Okay, Kara, that's all I really know, is that cupping, it boosts circulation, makes you feel good, relieves some tension, clear some blocked energy. It's like a good rebalance, reset. That's literally all I know. So can I just ask you, why should anyone come see you and get a cupping session?
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Yeah. Well, those are all accurate descriptions of cupping.
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Okay, that's not bad. That's all I.
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So cupping is great for so many different things. A lot of people think of cupping for pain. You may have seen the marks on Michael Phelps or other Olympic gold medalists or athletes. And so cupping is great for muscle recovery. So if you have any tightness, tension in your back, neck, shoulders, you know, you don't have to be an athlete just sitting at your desk or life. Most people have some neck and shoulder tension. Cupping is amazing at boosting the circulation, increasing the blood flow, and relieving the tightness and tension in your muscles.
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So.
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So that's one reason why people come for cupping. Another great reason that people may not know about is just the nervous system relaxation. So that's a. It's kind of a buzzword now. Dysregulated nervous system, which basically, it's stress. And cupping can help release stress and, you know, get yourself into that parasympathetic, which is that rest part of your nervous system.
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Exactly. Okay. So that Sounds lovely, by the way. I'm so excited. So, like, what's actually happening when the cups pull? Are we, like, are we literally moving energy, blood, or both? Can you give us just, like, a little 101 on what's actually happening?
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Yeah. So cupping is negative pressure. So kind of the opposite of massage, where it's positive pressure, where you're pressing down. Cupping is negative pressure while you're pulling up. So it's another, like, Western term for it is myofascial decompression.
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Myofascial decompression. Say it with us.
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That kind of rolls off myofascial decompression. But in Chinese medicine and also all different cultures throughout the world, it's been around for thousands of years. Dates back to Egypt and Greece. You can see it in traditional therapies for not just muscle tension, but also what we call releasing the wind. So, you know when you feel like you get chilled, and then the next day you get a cold, that could be actually the wind entering. And if you catch it soon enough, we can cup out the wind and so it doesn't get deep into your lungs.
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Wow. Wait, that's beautiful. Okay, so do you think of stagnation as something like physical, emotional, or energetic? Or is it like a package deal? They all kind of three tangled together?
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They can be tangled together, but you could also just have what we call blood stagnation. Say that's an injury, so the blood's not flowing. And cupping can help with the flow, increase the circulation. So if you have really dark purple marks, that can be a severe blood stagnation.
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Mine were really dark last time.
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Yeah. There can also be, like, some toxicity in there. And then there's also emotional stagnation and cupping, along with not just cupping, but other body work, like deep tissue massage, acupuncture, that can help release stored emotion because we store emotions in our body. And the cupping, especially in certain areas, like in your upper back, which is related, like, you know, behind your heart, there's acupuncture points related to the heart there. So if we release that tension, you can have an emotional release.
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Is there a place in your body that tends to hold, like, the most stress or emotion? Like, I was. I did a. I did an aura reading in Vegas recently, and she said, my. My root chakra really needs help and seems tense. I didn't fully understand what that means. But is there a place in the body that generally stores the most tension?
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Interesting. I think it depends on the person. Yeah, some people, maybe it's the root Chakra. It could be the solar plexus. It could be your, you know, your shoulders or your throat. It varies.
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Yeah. And you pretty much already answered the next question I have here. I was like, yeah. Can you. Can you tell anything about someone's overall, like, ch balance or energy just by how their skin reacts?
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Yeah, exactly. So that's the cupping marks. So you can tell if there's healthy circulation, which is kind of like a pink color. If the marks are almost white, like, very pale, that can indicate a blood deficiency. Like, you don't have enough blood. Maybe you're anemic. Or, you know, it might not show up on blood work. But, you know, like, for example, for a woman, their periods might be light. Maybe they're vegan. They're not having enough, you know, of the blood and iron. And then a Qi deficiency also can show up as maybe, which she is like, energy. So if you're very fatigued, you might have light marks. And then if you have, like, really red, bright red, that could indicate maybe some heat in the body. So it varies.
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Okay, cool. Cool. I'm loving this. By the way, I saw your video with Katy Perry recently. You were doing acupuncture. Face needling.
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Yes. Facial acupuncture and fire cupping in her video. Never really over.
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Never really over. She's an icon.
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Very cool to have that in the video.
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So cool. By the way, do you feel like, overall, like, when you do stuff with celebrities or, like, athletes, do you think it helps people understand it better? Do you think it, like, some. Maybe. Does it risk, like, stripping away the depth ever?
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You know, I think it depends. Like, she's actually a big believer in acupuncture and does it in real life. So I think it spreads awareness.
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Yeah.
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And it's a good thing.
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Yeah, I was influenced. Katy Perry, you are my influencer. Do you ever see people have, like, major emotional releases during cupping, like crying or laughing or just, like, completely zoning out? I had crazy. Well, I did acupuncture with you, and I had crazy visuals. Like, many, many, like, almost psychedelic dreams. I don't really know how to explain it. But with cupping in particular, do you ever see, like, major emotional releases?
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Yeah. And that can also happen later in the day. Like, afterwards, they may have some major emotional releases and crying because we're opening so much up. But during the session, some people actually even fall asleep. It can be deeply relaxing.
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Yeah. You guys, we're going to start the session soon. I'll try to describe how it feels because we don't have video so bear with me. But it's. I vaguely remember it. Honestly, when people ask me how it feels, I say it hurts so good.
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Yes, it's the good pain.
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Yes, it's the good pain.
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We never want it to be so uncomfortable, like unbearable. But like with a deep tissue massage, if you like that feeling, it's a good pain. Some people are very sensitive, so we have to go light. You know, it's really based on the person.
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Yeah, okay. I want to go deep, if that's okay. Not too deep, but like, what's an ideal way to integrate afterwards or to like, what should you do after you do a cupping session? Should you rest? Should you meditate? You drink lots of water. Is it okay for me to grab a beer?
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So definitely drink lots of water. One thing, after cupping therapy, your pores are open and you're more exposed. So I wouldn't like go out with your shirt off in a cold, windy environment. You know, keep covered, don't do cryotherapy. I wouldn't do a cold plunge. I wouldn't even do sauna. Just kind of like stay covered. If you can rest, that's great. You don't have to. Don't get drunk afterwards.
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Maybe perhaps a cold beer is okay.
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Yeah, maybe later in the day if you, if you must.
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Can we talk like frequency? How often would you recommend? I guess it's person dependent, but just generally speaking for newbies. How often should we get cupping?
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I would say like a once a month is sort of a maintenance. If. But if you have a chronic or an acute like pain, that shoulder pain or back or neck, you might need to come weekly for a while. It really varies. But I wouldn't want to cup more than once a week. Usually you want to wait for the marks to go away, maybe two times max. But a once a month maintenance is great for a lot of people.
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Very cool. Cara. This is awesome. Can we wait, can we talk love cupping for a second? Your signature cups. You want to. Can we talk just a little bit about that before we dive in?
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Love to yet.
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So she has heart shaped cups. It's called love cupping. And you want to.
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I'll talk about.
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Yeah, yeah.
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So I created heart shaped cups. Normally they're circles. You've probably seen those circular cupping marks. But I thought, oh, it would be cute and fun and a good way to expose more people to cupping because some people kind of shy away from it because they don't want those marks. But if it's their acute heart mark, even guys like the hearts.
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I love the hearts? Yeah.
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Who doesn't love hearts? They are come out as hearts.
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You know what I was thinking maybe for like bachelorette parties you could do penis shaped ones. Yeah, bad joke, bad joke. Okay, I'm bombing now.
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It's actually very difficult to get the as. A lot goes into creating a heart shape or any shape that works.
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No, they're beautiful and I'm really excited. So can I ask you just like, how do you personally prepare before you treat someone? Are there any like rituals or like in intentions or like. Yeah, do you have like a ritualistic little pre ceremony?
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You know what, personally I actually don't. I feel like I'm just very grounded in general. So. Well, I get to the office, maybe I'll like, you know, take a few moments, do my hair and makeup for a minute just to like get ready for patients, have the rooms prepared, maybe just preparing the rooms, turning the heat on, the music. That's the ritual.
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Yeah. And can I just give a shout out to your lovely business here? What's the address again?
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It's 1155 South Beverly Drive.
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South Beverly. Just south of Beverly Hills. When you walk in, I feel like an instant air of calmness. You have. You always have nice tea. Ginger tea. This morning, aromatherapy. It smells amazing and it's a vibe.
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It's like a nice little sanctuary away from the busy bustling city. And it's right here.
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Um, cool. I guess one more question. Like if you had to describe the feeling of like good chi or good flow like that post cupping harmony in like one word or one sentence, how would you describe the feeling? The post cupping feeling.
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Okay, I would just. What I think of is instant relief. Yeah, instant relief.
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Oh, what a relief it is. Okay, well, all right, I guess I'll stop yapping. Thank you so much. We're going to do the session.
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Let's do it.
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And I'll let you guys. Maybe I'll. I'll tune in halfway through, let you know how it feels. I'm really excited.
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Great, let's go.
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Thanks, Kara. Okay, let's go. Okay, guys. Kara, we're about to remove my first cup. It feels. How does it feel? I guess it feels like a. I don't know, it feels like, like a nice gentle hickey, I guess. Like. Yeah, but in the best possible way. All right, you guys, here we go. It doesn't hurt at all. It's actually a really nice sensation. Going back to what we said before, it's the good hurt. The good hurt. This episode is sponsored by Better Help. Guys, how's your mental. I like checking in with you guys. Life can be really hard. The past few years have been some of the hardest years of my life. But I'm lucky to have a good support system. Friends, family. Gordo Butters, my de facto therapist. But let's face it, ain't nothing like the real thing. And that's why I love better help. Listen, I hope at least some point, even just for a moment. Every day is mental health day. You know, a little respite, show yourself a little love, a little tlc. And if you haven't tried therapy, maybe this is your reminder that talking to someone can really help. Especially when your mind just will not quiet down. The right therapist can make all the difference in the world. And BetterHelp takes the guesswork out of finding a therapist. A quick questionnaire helps you match with someone who fits your needs. And if it's not the right fit, you can switch anytime. So, yeah, this world Mental health day, which was the 10th, we're celebrating the therapists who've helped millions of people take a step forward. And if you're ready to find the right therapist for you, BetterHelp can help you start that journey. Our listeners, my listeners. You guys get 10% off their first month@betterhelp.com tomschwartz that's better. H E L p.com tomshwarz Check it out, guys. Luk Broderick, you were supposed to come cupping with me. Why didn't you come cupping with me, Tom?
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It's called having a child and a Kristen.
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A child and a Kristen. Some would call you the Kristen Whisperer.
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Do they?
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Yeah.
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Okay.
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That's what they call you online.
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Well, she is an incredible woman. And I think all incredible women come with some quirks. She put it that way.
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Well said. She's one of my favorite human beings to ever exist. I love her like family. And I love you like family.
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Me too, man.
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Wait. But I have some questions. Okay. And I think the audience does too. Mostly me, though. Okay, I want to know your origin story. How did you end up in la? How did you end up dating engaged to Kristen Doughty, father of her child? Mostly. How did you end up in la? I want to hear about Luke. Early days. I have a theory, though. I want to talk origin story. But listen, if I had to guess, I feel like it'd kind of be like this. Hear me out. Just like this, Luke, they call me Mad Jack.
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And if there's anybody in these mountains.
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That knows the real story of James Adams, that'd be me.
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So I'm putting it down in writing just the way it happened in hopes.
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Of setting the record straight.
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Now, my friend Adams was accused of.
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A crime he didn't commit.
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So he escaped into the mountains, leaving.
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Behind the only life that he ever knew. So far, so good.
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It's a little off, I'll be honest, but I'm listening. Now, that wilderness out there ain't no.
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Place for a greenhorn.
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And his chances of surviving were mighty slim.
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Weren't no time at all for he was beaten down ragged Nearly stalled long.
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About then he come upon a grizzly bear cub. And helpless, that little critter couldn't survive without his help.
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So he started right down that cliff, risking his own life to save it. Now, that cup. Okay, you guys, I don't want to milk the joke. Point being, is Luke Broderick Grizzly Adams?
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No, I'm not Grizzly Adams. But, you know, if. If Jill had come into my life as a baby grizzly, I might be Grizzly.
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Broderick, she's your grizzly?
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She's my grizzly.
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Wait, where were you born?
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I was born in Indiana.
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That's right. You're a Hoosier through and through. Born a Hoosier.
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Born a Hoosier, was a Hoosier. I did not go to Indiana University, but I grew up 30 minutes from there and went to Ball State University.
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That's right.
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My degree in accounting. Most people don't know.
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That's right. Sorry, you say that again.
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I have a degree in accounting. Wild, right? You look at me. You don't think accountant?
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I think rugged outdoorsman.
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Well, tell you what. I looked at myself and said, I don't think accountant either. Which is why I didn't become an accountant. Your degree doesn't define you. Am I right, Tom?
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Yes. Your degree does not define you.
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What's your degree?
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I was an exercise physiology major.
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Exercise physiology.
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I essentially wanted to be a doctor to fulfill my dad's dream, if that makes sense.
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I see. I see. Yeah, yeah.
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But wait. Can we go back? Can we do a little time travel?
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. Back us up.
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By the way. We're drinking a little moonshine.
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We're shining.
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We're drinking a little apple pie. Moonshine. Yeah.
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My next batch isn't ready yet.
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Listen, I got this moonshine at BevMo. It's not the real deal. I have the real deal, but it's stuck in transit. So anyways, we're sipping some shelf moonshine.
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It's a little sweet, it's a little Sweet. A little more sugar than. Than the shine I'm used to. So I have a buddy actually in Colorado. I'm gonna skip up, then I'll skip back.
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Yeah, it's okay. We're gonna jump around a little bit, but we are time traveling today, so buckle your seatbelts.
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Okay. So my good friend Mountain Joe in Colorado. Does this support your theory that I've got a good friend named Mountain Joe?
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Yeah.
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Anyway, Mountain Joe made us some cactus shine out of some prickly pear berries we picked. We had a five gallon bucket full of me. He's like, do you care if I take these and like, you know, make some wine? I'm like, are you making wine or you making shine? He's like, well, I guess that depends on how much alcohol you want.
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Wait, just so. So people have context. Mountain Joe, Uhhuh. Is Colorado in Colorado, he's your neighbor. Is.
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I mean, I call everyone my neighbor cuz the closest house to me is a half mile away. So if I see you on a regular basis, you're my neighbor.
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So wait, tell us what's up with you in Colorado. How did you end up there? How did you end up with property there? There.
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Wow, that's. How long do we have?
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15 minutes. We're going to do 34 years and 15 minutes.
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So the quick and dirty of it is I grew up in Indiana. High school, college after college, got an office job I hated and quit that to wait tables, then moved to Colorado because it is the outdoorsman's dream.
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It is the outdoorsman dream. And for the uninitiated, Luke is quite the outdoorsman.
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Yes, I am. And that's the part of my soul that is like dwindling out here.
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And I feel that.
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And I know it's very tough in Los Angeles to be an outdoorsman unless you have a really understanding partner that's allowed you to take days and days to go actually pursue these things. Because it's like if I want to go fishing, it's like a whole day pursuit.
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I feel like it is.
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I can't just go cast a line for an hour in the backyard like I grew up.
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I mean, you can head up to Santa Monica, you can catch something, but it's going to be full of mercury. And what else?
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Oh yeah, I'm not eating anything off the Santa Monica here. But so after that I got the job, yada yada. I got an opportunity in the cannabis injury. Injury industry.
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That's right.
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And turns out I was pretty good at it. And then I got an opportunity to buy a property. $3,000 down 800amonth. That's how I was able to pull off buying property initially.
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And it's. It. It's. It's a very impressive piece of property. How many acres?
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So that was 35 acres. I ended up buying the 35 next to me. So I have 70 acres now. Long story short, I ended up, took my experience, started a CBD hemp company. It did really well for a couple years. I paid off my first property, bought the one next to me, which I just paid off a couple years ago. Yeah. So I have 70 acres free and clear in Colorado. The CBD industry totally tanked in 2020. I kept the company around till 2022, more or less, just sitting on inventory and. And closed it down. I got my real estate license, went to Indiana during COVID because with the business not really doing its thing, and my partner, who had bought out, moved to Indiana as well. Had a place I could live there, just paying utilities, watching a friend's house, and sold real estate. And then the magical day. My good friend Greg Hunter married.
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Rake.
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C
Married Rachel o', Brien, who some of.
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A
You might know from Vanderpump Rules comedian. She also used to date Jax Taylor.
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C
She did. She did. And she does.
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A
No, she does comedy. Oh, sorry. Yes. Yeah, she does comedy. She has a great podcast, by the way.
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C
Anyway, she married my. He was, like, with the hemp company, my marketing managers. Really good friend of mine. I kind of helped make the transaction happen where he became my neighbor. He bought the property next to me, then his dad bought property next to him, and they ended up getting married on that property. So Kristen is in Rachel's wedding party. I'm in Greg's wedding party. We get paired up. Thank you, Greg, for the assist. We get paired up to walk down the aisle together. And I don't know, I. Apparently I was funny that day.
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A
No, you are funny and charming and charismatic.
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C
Let's be honest that I think at first impression, people find me a lot less funny than if you get to know me.
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A
There's layers to you. There's layers, which I wanted to peel off a few now because you do have depth, you have soul, charisma. You're a great human being. Also, you're an actual outdoor enthusiast. You hunt, you fish. Ethically, of course, you do everything. Just like I bow fish. You bow fish?
- [27:21]
C
Yeah. I've got three bows and yeah.
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A
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C
Oh, really?
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A
I was heavily invested.
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C
And I know you didn't exit right, did you?
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A
I did not exit right.
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C
It went to the moon and it went back down to the floor.
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A
I had just watched Wall Street. Gordon Gecko, greed is good. Turns out it's not good. And I did not take profits. And. Yeah, man. But pre. Pre pandemic, it was a good time to be in the CBD industry. People were eating good in the neighborhood. There were fat cats. Right. You were thriving, dude.
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C
If I had gotten in one year earlier, which I. I wanted to. Things just didn't quite line up the year prior. If I'd gotten in one year earlier, I'd be sitting here worth millions of dollars. Yeah, and I'm not, unfortunately.
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A
Well, you're still doing well.
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C
I'm doing okay.
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A
You got seven.
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C
I'm doing great. I've got.
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A
You got family growing, got a beautiful fiance.
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C
My bank's not as big as I thought it would be, but it's okay. I'm not worried about it.
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A
Well, I got to say, it's a pleasure to be sitting here with you, man. But do you. Do you yearn for the countryside? Do you miss your property?
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C
I swear, the longer I go without being regrounded outside of Los Angeles, the more my soul deteriorates. It's. It's seriously a real issue for me. This place is not. It's more. Way more soul sucking than fulfilling for me. Yeah.
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A
And listen, I totally get that. I love it. But I can totally understand how it can't. Like, it can be. It can be dark if you don't have a good support system, if you don't know what you want to do out here and if you, you know, fall into the wayside with the wrong group of people. I don't think there's dark energy out here. But if you go on tick tock, there'll be 50 different tick tocks about how they're such.
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C
That's not where I'm going with it.
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A
Look, no, I know you weren't. I know. I just. I was just. I was just sidebarring because I see that it's what you make of it, just like any city in the world. Although there are some shitty cities that are dangerous and everything. But LA is what you make of it.
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C
It is.
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A
It's what you make of it. But listen, if you're from the country and it's just. It's not going to be for you, you know, it's.
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C
It's really not. And that's kind of the whole thing is like, you know, as guys and now a dad, like, sometimes you got to blow off steam. What do you do to blow off steam around here if you got a couple hours? Blow off steam? You go to the bar.
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A
You go to Foxfire.
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C
You have to drop that. Sorry. Okay, you can drop it. I like Foxfire. They got some sweet dartboards. I like to go through darts. I can walk there. I can throw darts for a couple hours and have a great time and feel like, you know, I got the competitive edge off. I, you know, got to blow off some steam and I can walk home. Don't worry about driving or anything. It's nice. But I've never been the kind of person that goes to the bar to blow off scene before moving here. It was never a part of my personality whatsoever. I need to blow off steam. Guess what? I grabbed a chainsaw and went and cut up dead trees on my property. I've got 70 acres. How many dead trees you think I got? I can always find another. Put it that way. So I go cut up trees, log stuff, throw it in the back of the truck and stack it. And it's like, burn off some energy. It's satisfying. And that was like my constructive way to do it. Or, you know, if I had better part of a day on the weekend, I'd grab my. All my fishing stuff. I go down to the river. I didn't care if I caught anything. In fact, I was standing in water casting and like, in the tranquil environment, like the babbling creek, you know, kind of sound.
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A
Oh, I love a babbling brook, by the way.
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C
I don't have helicopters flying over me daily like I do here or ever really. There's no helicopters, there's no air traffic. I'm not by a highway. I'm in the mountains fishing. It's grounding. It's like a good way for me to clear my head. Going to the bar, I'm not even gonna act like it's a healthy way for me to, to deal with, you know, some pent up energy. It's not a healthy way.
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A
It's not.
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C
But it's like the easy to fall.
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A
Into some dark vices here in la.
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C
It's like the option, isn't it? What's the, what's the other option? If you have a couple hours, listen.
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A
You can go out to the beach, you can hike Runyon. I mean, listen in.
- [31:48]
C
See it?
- [31:49]
A
Yeah, I see it. He just smacked a mosquito on the side.
- [31:51]
C
I got your blood on me.
- [31:52]
A
Vegas is less than blood brothers. Vegas is an hour away. You can go snowboarding in Big Bear. That's an hour away. You know, you can be surfing and snowboarding in the same day. Listen, it has its, it has its upsides, it has its perks.
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C
Huge upsides for a single man in his 20s. I agree.
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A
Yeah, yeah. Okay. Touche, touche. Or a single man in his for it. Oh, actually I'm not single.
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C
We'll just say single. Single people. This is a great city for single people. Unfortunately, the way I ended up here was not being single. It was not by, you know, desire to come here. When Chris and I started dating, the Valley wasn't, didn't exist and it was like a dying sizzle. We'll put it that way.
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A
Yeah.
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C
And I think it's been said that the, the, this idea had come up in like 2020 or 2019, like of having the spin off.
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A
Yeah.
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C
It wasn't coin the Valley. I don't know what it was coined initially, but sizzle years and years before. And Kristen had told me, if we start dating, I cannot refuse to be on camera.
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A
But you were crazy about the idea of being on tv.
- [32:53]
C
Not at all. No. No. Honestly, ask any of my friends I grew up with. I said I wanted to be the millionaire. No one knows this name. Like be the guy, that successful businessman. But I'm like, yeah, I don't know, I sell more. I sell, sell the bean sprouts to sprouts. But no one knows who that guy is. Right. You know, like that's the way I saw it going. Yeah.
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A
Better to be rich and anonymous than rich and famous. Born famous is a especially dangerous combination. That was me in the beginning of Vanderpump Rules like season three. You know what I mean? I, I, I had barely made any money, but everyone was recognizing me. But I was still having to work catering jobs and bartend and stuff. It was a weird juxtaposition position in a very strange time in my life. But it Seems like you've transitioned pretty well. You got a beautiful thing here.
- [33:38]
C
It is.
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A
We're looking at my pool right now. We're sipping a little moonshine.
- [33:41]
C
It just feels weird complaining. It's just like more the like you said the origin story. Like what makes me me any. I'd say 90 plus percent of people wouldn't look around the place I live and. And think there's any justified complaint that could come out of my mouth. I'll be honest. And I look around and I see it. There are times I can take it in and be like I'm absolutely blessed to be in the position I'm in right now. That there is no doubt about that.
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A
You have a great attitude about it. Given this is not the life you envision for yourself. But that is life in a nutshell, right?
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C
You know it is. But you, you.
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A
You have such a good attitude and you adjust well. You're a very well adjusted human being.
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C
I'm adaptable.
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A
You were adaptable. That's what I was leading up to. To you are. And I just wanted to give you props on that for a second.
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C
Thank you.
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A
Because I know this is not exactly what you envision. But I see that you're happy and you wear it well. And I got to be honest, Luke, L.A. looks good on you.
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C
Does it?
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A
Yeah, it looks good on you.
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C
It's just a spray tan spray.
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A
He's not joking.
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C
I'm not joking. Unfortunately. But you know what part of being adaptable is, you know, not giving up on your. Your principles and what makes you you as far as your core. Your core foundation. But some fringe things you got to give in to sometimes.
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A
Yeah.
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C
And just so everyone knows, this is not something I sought out.
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A
Yeah.
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C
This is something that I gave in.
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A
To or the universe presented to you.
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C
The universe presented to me in a way that I'm not gonna say I couldn't have refused it. It just felt like I'd be a little kid if I refused it.
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A
Totally.
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C
You know what I mean?
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B
And it is.
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A
It feel good to say yes to new opportunities. One day you're gonna look back and you're like, man, that was fun. That was a wave. I'm glad I wrote it. Right.
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C
Okay. As a whole. Not this Ray's hand. But yeah.
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A
Exactly. I don't think you'll end up in Los Angeles long term, right?
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C
Not a chance.
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A
Not a chance. Where? Dream scenario. Where do you end up with Kristen and Kaya?
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C
I mean, as of right now, I mean you're gonna be due to week. Doesn't go by that.
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A
I.
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C
Every week I send at least one house from Zillow in Nashville to Kristen.
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A
Oh, you're already flirting with Zillow houses.
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C
Oh, I have been for a long time.
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A
Oh, my God, Luke, this is getting serious.
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C
That's more than serious. Like, I. Within two years of this date, mark my words, I will have a house. And maybe a fixer upper, but I will have a house. We will have a house in Nashville. And maybe not. We may not move into it right away, but within two years we will have a house there.
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A
Yeah.
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C
And within a year after that, it'll be exactly how we want it.
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A
Yeah.
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C
We'll be eight hours from Kristen's family, five hours from mine.
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A
That's a beautiful thing.
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C
That means family can come down for the weekend. We'll have an extra room or a casita or whatever you call it. Because I'm basing my scale on the amount of money we'd have to spend here to have something just sufficient. Nothing extra here. And if I take that budget there, we can have everything we want.
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A
Yeah.
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C
Everything we could want. So I'm like, okay, a couple more years in total out here. Kristen had said, I'd said five years max. We're three years in at this point. So two more years, we're there. And you know what if I gotta live out here a little longer? But we've already bought the house and it's really in motion. I can do another year.
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A
I love your mindset right now, and I just wanted to say you're a great dad.
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C
Thank you.
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A
You're a great dad. And for how much? I know you don't love la. You still embrace it. I've never seen. Seen you be a sour puss about it for one second.
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C
Oh, thank you. I think Kristen would disagree with you.
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A
But maybe you mope from time to time. But I still see it's not.
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C
It's less moping, more verbalizing feelings than moping. Being like, this effing city is more the. The way I go about it. Like.
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A
Yeah.
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C
I mean, the mosquitoes. Let's. Let's be honest, the mosquitoes here have completely changed the discussion with Kristen and I. As far as she's like, I don't want to live there. They have broke bugs. I'm like, well, they also have screened in porches, which is the what we don't have here. And you get chewed up every second you step outside.
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A
That's right. Well, you're here now in this moment. What's going through your mind? You Seem at peace.
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C
I mean, come on. I mean, like the manifestation is. Is, is manifestation is real.
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A
Yeah.
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C
Obviously Kristen loves me. I've got a beautiful little baby and she and I have such an awesome connection already. I'm sitting on the back patio with some guys and big TV with football on. We got a heated pool behind us. Like I said, how can someone be mad at this situation? Even though it's not exactly what I want, I'd rather. That. I'd rather be able to put a, you know, a line in that water versus just swimming it. I'm anti chlorine, but it is what it is.
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A
Do you ever feel like. Do you ever have like everyone not imposter syndrome, but every once in a while they're like, I'm living someone else's dream right now. I don't want to be in la.
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C
That's a good point. Like, no, there I absolutely am living. I'm living people's dreams. Some people's absolutely being never made my.
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A
List living in la.
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C
I did not want to be publicly known.
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A
But you have a great attitude about it. Again, you really do. You embrace it and you're good at it. You're a natural.
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C
Natural at.
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A
Just like you're. You're so fun to watch on tv cuz you're so authentic and there. I feel like there's no one else like you in the Bravo verse not to really go there right now. You're. You're like a rugged outdoorsman with a heart of gold.
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C
Okay, all right, Tom, you're buttering me up. It's. That's waiting for the but. But what? But what?
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A
There's no but.
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C
There's no but. No man, this is the butter me up Retox.
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A
So like, what's your. What's. What's your happy place? Is it. Is it fly fishing on the water? A babbling brook somewhere in Colorado? Kristen's. Kristen's sitting in the, in the, in the camping chair. Kai is chilling.
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C
It's honestly exactly where, I don't know, but it's at sunrise in the wilderness. Because at sunrise, when, when you get out there, whether I'm fishing or hunting, and you're out there an hour before that sun comes up, when that first bit of light starts to come up over the horizon, still 30, 40 minutes before the sun's going to show itself, the birds start chirping, the animals start moving, and it's like the world just comes alive in front of you and you're sitting there to. To embrace it, to view it in A way that so few people ever have. It's just such a dying thing. Like, obviously there's people. You can see the influencers and you see the photographers. And it's like. Seems like this crazy thing, but I grew up doing that a lot. And that is. My Zen is like getting out there, being cold, knowing when that sun breaks, I'm not going to be cold anymore. But you hear that first chirp, first freaking bird chirp of the morning. It starts it off.
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A
Yeah.
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C
And it's just amazing. I mean, the ducks coming and landing on, you know, glassy water in front of you, the. I don't know, whatever it is. Squirrels coming down the tree and fighting each other, the deer walking by. I've had a raccoon come up the tree I'm sitting in while hunting. It got all the way to my tree stand, looked at me, and then realized what I was turning, ran back down.
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A
So essentially, you're a Disney prince.
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C
I had. Okay, this is the wildest thing, actually. This is crazy. This was in Colorado while I was working in my greenhouses. A hummingbird comes in. I turn and look at him. I turn and look at this hummingbird, like, buzzing around. I'm sitting there dead still. I'm sure my face is beat red because it's hot. It comes up to my face and I just hold still. It sticks its bill into my nose. Into my nose. It tickled. And then it's like, that didn't taste right and took off. But that's like the coolest experience I've ever had as far as, you know, Disney Prince, whatever kind of thing. Hummingbirds took its bill in my nose.
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A
You just painted such a vivid picture for us. Thank you, by the way. And a reoccurring theme on the show is just remembering to touch grass, which is usually like a sardonic, sarcastic, snarky lie people tell each other on the Internet. But it's good to reconnect with Mother Nature and do necessary.
- [41:25]
C
It's not as good. It's vital for your own, like Vi. Human vibrations like you calm things down. It's good for your heart rate. It's good for everything.
- [41:34]
A
Your immune system, totally low is your cortisol. I'm that. I love the Internet. I love tick tock and Instagram, I love podcasting. But I'm the happiest when I'm completely disconnected. I have no phone and I am sitting by that babbling brook, and that's all I hear is the water or the laughter of my friends or the cracking of a Cold Coors light or the campfire crackling? Yeah, man.
- [41:56]
C
Yeah. Well, dude, we've made. We've already already discussed some plans to do some cool stuff together. You're gonna come to Colorado.
- [42:03]
A
Yes.
- [42:04]
C
You'll see my place. I'm gonna put you on my tractor.
- [42:06]
A
Yes.
- [42:06]
C
You're gonna have a little fun with that. And I'm gonna go to Florida, and we're gonna build. Build a dock for your pond.
- [42:14]
A
You are a craftsman. Where did you learn the trade? You. You're a carpenter.
- [42:21]
C
I'm not a carpenter. I'm not gonna make that claim. But I'm like, I know how to measure twice and cut once.
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A
How did you learn this?
- [42:28]
C
I worked construction the summers in college.
- [42:30]
A
You did?
- [42:30]
C
And before that, I kind of taught myself how to do. I mean, I built retaining walls and did, like, landscaping as a teenager in between babysitting, cutting grass, and playing sports. But I've kind of always been an entrepreneur. I also. You know, raccoons get into people's trash in the country. And I was a neighborhood nuisance trapper. I had these, you know, the cages. I'd go catch them and take them miles away at a buddy's place right next to a preservation. And I. Excuse me. Released. I don't know. Dozens of animals out there. Everything. Muskrats, beavers to chipmunks, squirrels. Squirrels and possums and raccoons. Anything that was causing people trouble.
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A
Yeah.
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C
In the neighborhood, they called me. And that's how I grew up, you know, Like, I walked around the neighborhood with a lawnmower in front of me, and people would be like, do you have time to do mine today? And this is how a business started.
- [43:19]
A
See, I love that about you because you are outdoorsman. You're sometimes hunter, but you do it ethically with heart, with soul.
- [43:27]
C
I don't have any taxidermy.
- [43:28]
A
Exactly.
- [43:28]
C
So it's not. I'm not going to, like, fill my room and brag about how big of an animal I killed.
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A
Right.
- [43:34]
C
No, I give gratitude for anything that if I take something's life, I'm going to make the most of its. Its body, I guess. It. It's what it yields, like the protein and everything.
- [43:44]
A
Nothing goes to waste.
- [43:45]
C
It doesn't go. I mean, I'm not. I don't take as far as the Native Americans. I don't make tools out of the bones or anything like that.
- [43:50]
A
But, you know, generally speaking.
- [43:51]
C
Generally speaking, yeah. I mean, I even eat the heart. Heart and liver. So.
- [43:56]
A
Yeah, and we're going to be doing that now.
- [43:59]
C
I. I don't have any liver in the freezer.
- [44:01]
A
Just kidding. I joke.
- [44:02]
C
I've got it in Colorado. Do you want me to go get you some elk liver? I'm not kidding.
- [44:06]
A
No.
- [44:06]
C
Yeah.
- [44:06]
A
No, I excited to try that. I can't wait to do a video episode with you. I don't want to keep you too long because also, I know you're on daddy duty today.
- [44:13]
C
She's napping at the moment.
- [44:15]
A
Wait, Kristen's napping?
- [44:17]
C
If they're both napping right now, we're.
- [44:19]
A
Looking in at Kristen and Kaya.
- [44:21]
C
Lovely.
- [44:21]
A
But dude, I just wanted to sit down for you a second. Chat. I wanted to sit down and.
- [44:25]
C
Dude, I've grown to love you, Tom.
- [44:27]
A
Thank you, brother.
- [44:28]
C
I liked you from day one, but I've grown to freaking love you. Like you come over almost every Sunday. We went to the Rams game a couple weeks ago. Rams and Colts. We both got a little twisted.
- [44:37]
A
We did.
- [44:37]
C
It was a lot of fun. Even though Colts didn't win. Yeah, dude, you're one of my favorite people out here.
- [44:42]
A
Anything else we need to know about you secret hidden talents?
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C
I can juggle.
- [44:47]
A
You can juggle?
- [44:48]
C
Yeah.
- [44:48]
A
I knew it. I knew it.
- [44:52]
C
That's all I got. No, that's not all I got, but that's all I'm willing to reveal.
- [44:55]
A
You're kind of one of those guys who's good at everything. You're ath. What is going on right here?
- [44:59]
C
That's your alarm.
- [45:00]
A
Oh, what is that? Oh, that's. Cuz, I didn't want you to have to go over. Sorry, guys, but you're kind of good at everything. You're good at every sport.
- [45:06]
C
I'm slightly above average at most things.
- [45:08]
A
You're not great at ping pong, though. Inside joke. Guys, we're gonna play ping pong.
- [45:12]
C
We gotta play again. Tom's 10 against me. If we ask Kyle Chan, if we ask anybody else that plays ping pong with me, everyone knows I'm good. But to Tom, I haven't won a game.
- [45:23]
A
Well, dude, I'm so happy to be in your orbit. I don't want to keep you anymore. The moonshine's kicking. We got Detroit Chiefs tonight.
- [45:30]
C
We do.
- [45:31]
A
You're a Detroit fan because of Doty, right?
- [45:33]
C
Yeah. Yeah. I mean, they're nfc. I'm a Colts fan, so it's like, I think you're allowed to remember for an NFC team, as in, you know, homegrown AFC fan. So of course I can root for the Lions. Plus, I grew up watching The Lions go like 0, 16, 2, and 14. You know, like that. Those were the times. And it's cool to see him being good.
- [45:51]
A
I feel like America roots for the Lions, right?
- [45:54]
C
Right.
- [45:55]
A
They've always been an underdog.
- [45:56]
C
Tonight, they are an underdog again against the Chiefs for some reason.
- [45:59]
A
That's right.
- [46:00]
C
So we'll see.
- [46:01]
A
Well, dude, thank you. I. All right, we're going to. To shut it down. Luke Broderick, you know him from the Valley. He's a. He's a great dad, a great human being.
- [46:10]
C
Thank you, Tom.
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A
And I love you, brother.
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C
Love you, brother. Well, dude, this is quick and dirty.
- [46:14]
A
I know it's quick.
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C
You want the full exclusive? Next time, maybe we'll go to your house.
- [46:18]
A
I promised him a quick one tonight. But thank you, Luke, for giving us a little peek into your past, a little peek into your origin story.
- [46:26]
C
I appreciate you giving me the opportunity. I got to set something straight. I started off saying, and I've said it a lot, but for some reason, if you Google, where is Luke Broderick from? It still says Colorado. I grew up in Indiana. I am a Hoosier.
- [46:38]
A
You are a Hoosier.
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C
I was there till I was 20. I may have been. No, I think I turned 23 when I moved out of there. I'm 34 now. 23 of my 34 years were in Indiana. I moved to Colorado after. My family is not in Colorado. Just need to set this straight. The tabloids, if you're gonna pick this up. I am not from Colorado.
- [46:57]
A
We just did 34 years in under 30 minutes. One last thing. Your boys you grew up with, what do they think about you on reality tv? Do they bust your balls a little bit?
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C
You know, still, we're from it. I think people think it's cool more than they want to bust my balls. There are times where they see things and they bust my balls over something specific. But as a whole, they still think it's more cool than not. To me, it's. It's still more weird than not.
- [47:22]
A
Yeah.
- [47:23]
C
I can't say it's. It's weirder than it is cool still for me, but I embrace the weird. I get called weird plenty. I am a weirdo. I collect weirdos. Another reason I love you, Tom. You're a weirdo.
- [47:33]
A
Yeah. I used to have. I've convinced. I used to convince myself that I was the normal one. And now, looking back on 12 years of Vanderpump rules, I realize I'm not normal.
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C
What is normal?
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B
Boring, right?
- [47:47]
A
Yeah, I guess so. All right, brother. Let's go. Let's get back to it. Let's go check out Kristen and Kaya.
- [47:51]
C
All right, let's do it.
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A
Love you, brother.
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C
Love you.
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A
All right.
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B
Detoxification complete.