Ed and Chris started talking to each other again over a series of tubes, with the end result being another episode of the podcast. This time around we discussed some weirdness we had been noticing with our episode announcement mailing list, TIOBE and popularity contests, building things for our hobbies, and the never-ending street fight of complexity vs. churn. Do these things! Buy stickers at devhell.info/shop Follow us on Twitter here Rate us on iTunes here Listen Download now (MP3) Links and Notes The TIOBE Index Chris’s and Ed'spreferred IDE for doing Python work, PyCharm The Rust programming language The Go programming language The concept of duck typing Bootstrap-Vue component and grid system Chris' site for his Magic the Gathering EDH league