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Jonathan Hirsch
Hey, listeners, Jonathan Hirsch here, journalist and host of the latest series To Drop on the Binge, Scary Terry. Available now wherever you get your podcasts. And if you're a subscriber to the Binge, you can listen to all episodes ad free. Today, a double suicide. A teenager suspiciously drowned a mother and her childhood nanny drive off a cliff. Between 1979 and 1989, a dozen people died under mysterious circumstances. But these deaths were no accident. They all shared one chilling link. A woman by the name of Terry Hoffman. Terry was the founder of a religious movement called Conscious Development of Body, Mind, and Soul. Terry's followers described her as a gentle and nurturing guru, but in reality, she kept her followers under tight control and saw them all as collateral damage on the path to achieving her own aims. As I waded into the mysterious world of Terry Hoffman, I found that it was darker, eerier, and more twisted than I could have ever imagined. How did Terry lead so many lambs to slaughter without a drop of blood on her hands? And could she be the second coming of Charlie Manson, hiding in the shadows of history? Join me and find out on Scary Terry. Search for Scary Terry wherever you get your podcasts. To start listening today, here's a sneak peek. When I started looking into a string of mysterious deaths in Dallas, Texas, in the 1970s and 80s, I had no idea what kind of madness, carnage, and darkness I'd find there. I also didn't think I'd stumble across another Charlie Manson. Devereaux Cleaver had just turned 14 when her mom, Sandra Cleaver, invited her to go on a vacation to Hawaii. Her mom's fiance, Lynn Fairchild, would be there, too. And her close friend and mentor, Terry Devereaux's stepmother, Gail Cleaver, remembers her as a bright girl, sweet and shy.
Gail Cleaver
Tall, Long, beautiful, curly blonde hair. Like Chuck used to say, she had legs all the way to Bakersfield.
Jonathan Hirsch
She loved animals and basketball and her new stepsiblings. Gail had a son and two daughters from a previous marriage. They were this Brady Bunch type family. A friend of hers told me Devra was excited to go, but Chuck and his new wife, Gail, were worried about the trip. They really didn't care for the people Sandra hung around with, especially her friend Terry, to whom she was practically attached at the hip. But spending quality time with her mom was something Devereaux didn't get to do very much, and Chuck and Gail didn't want to get in the way of that. The Wailupe in Oahu, a windy peninsula southeast of Honolulu. It means, literally, kite water on account of the breezy Pakata coastline where they could take flight and nearly touch the sky. You can see them today guiding surfers across the water like disembodied souls under the bright sun. Hawaii was an exotic wonderland for Devereaux, far from the dusty horizon, the muscular cloud clusters miles high, and the hot blanket of air draping Dallas like a set piece in a movie.
Gail Cleaver
Chuck and I had been out at a couple friend of ours that night, and we'd gotten home late and we crawled into bed. But it was about 1:30 in the morning and I answered the phone.
Jonathan Hirsch
There was a woman's voice on the other end of the line.
Gail Cleaver
Hello? I handed the phone over to Chuck, and the next thing I remember hearing was. And he sat boat right up in bed and said, what do you mean she's missing? I'll never forget that as long as I live.
Jonathan Hirsch
Sandra and Devereaux had gone swimming that day after lunch. Just 20 or so minutes from their hotel in Honolulu was a beach. More like a lagoon, actually. It was ankle deep for about a half mile out from the shore. An odd choice for swimming. Lynn, Sandra's fiance, stayed back, napping off one too many glasses of champagne after lunch. Go on, have fun, he told them. Suddenly, underneath them was a patch of coral reef, tough and sharp like knives and sandpaper. The water was deepening now, too. That far out, it's hard to gauge the size of a wave. That's when one wave came roaring past, knocking them off of the raft. Another wave and she was gone. Sandra looked over and couldn't see her daughter. She'd been swept under by the current. She dove underneath, looking for her. She couldn't find her. That's where Sandra's account trails off. She woke later on the rocky shoreline, calling for help. Meanwhile, Lynn woke up from his catnap, recognized something was wrong. He alerted authorities on the beach, who dragged Sandra back in.
Gail Cleaver
They had gathered Sandra up off of a coral reef, bleeding all over. But Devereaux was missing.
Jonathan Hirsch
Chuck got out of bed and headed towards the airport. It was like an eclipse flashed across the sky. A dark pall covered their world. A chill shot through them that they would never be able to shake.
Gail Cleaver
We've lived in the darkness of how this hovered over our lives.
Jonathan Hirsch
Their daughter was gone. Life would never be the same. And from the moment their phone rang that awful night, Gail had a creeping suspicion that would soon overcrowd everything. This wasn't a freak accident.
Gail Cleaver
My theory is, my brain, what I think was supposed to happen. This is just me and my brain thinking it's not a fact. I think they were both supposed to die that day.
Jonathan Hirsch
Devereaux and Sandra were collateral damage in a sick and deadly conspiracy. And the terrible truth is, I think Gail was right. These. Those shark eyes, those cold, dark eyes. The most sophisticated sociopath I've ever observed.
Gail Cleaver
Left behind a series of bizarre diaries and writings associated with Terry Hoffman and a group she founded called the Conscious Development of Body, Mind, and Soul, Inc. Really see how evil she really was.
Jonathan Hirsch
Like, heartless. There is no doubt that she killed.
Gail Cleaver
Are those items that are used to control and combat Shield against black lords.
Jonathan Hirsch
I'm vote the Fifth Amendment. Why do you think it was so difficult to tie Terry to these deaths?
Gail Cleaver
Cause there's no smoking gun.
Jonathan Hirsch
From Sony Music Entertainment. This is scary. Terry. I'm Jonathan Hirsch.
Devil in the Ditch: "Who Was Terri Hoffman? Unravel the Deadly Secrets of the Twisted Guru" Episode Release Date: December 9, 2024
In the gripping episode titled "Who Was Terri Hoffman? Unravel the Deadly Secrets of the Twisted Guru," journalist Larrison Campbell delves deep into one of Mississippi's most baffling unsolved cold cases—the murder of her grandmother, Presh. The narrative sets the stage by exploring the mysterious circumstances surrounding Terri Hoffman, the enigmatic leader of the religious movement Conscious Development of Body, Mind, and Soul, Inc.
Jonathan Hirsch, the host, introduces listeners to Hoffman’s dark influence:
"As I waded into the mysterious world of Terry Hoffman, I found that it was darker, eerier, and more twisted than I could have ever imagined." [00:00]
Terri Hoffman, portrayed by her followers as a "gentle and nurturing guru," is revealed to have exerted tight control over her congregation. Hirsch raises critical questions about Hoffman's true nature and the extent of her manipulative tactics:
"How did Terry lead so many lambs to slaughter without a drop of blood on her hands?" [00:00]
The episode draws parallels between Hoffman and notorious figures like Charles Manson, suggesting that Hoffman might be a hidden sociopath orchestrating tragedies behind the scenes.
A pivotal segment focuses on the tragic events involving the Cleaver family in the late 1970s. Devereaux Cleaver, a 14-year-old, and her mother, Sandra Cleaver, experience a suspicious drowning incident during a vacation in Hawaii.
Gail Cleaver, Devereaux's stepmother, recounts the events with vivid detail:
"They had gathered Sandra up off of a coral reef, bleeding all over. But Devereaux was missing." [06:16]
Jonathan Hirsch emphasizes the profound impact of the tragedy:
"A dark pall covered their world. A chill shot through them that they would never be able to shake." [06:37]
From the onset, Gail Cleaver harbored suspicions that the drowning was not an accident. She theorizes a deeper conspiracy behind the deaths:
"My theory is, my brain, what I think was supposed to happen. This is just me and my brain thinking it's not a fact. I think they were both supposed to die that day." [07:02]
Hirsch expands on these suspicions, pointing to Terri Hoffman's possible involvement:
"Devereaux and Sandra were collateral damage in a sick and deadly conspiracy. And the terrible truth is, I think Gail was right." [07:19]
The episode uncovers Hoffman's manipulative practices through diaries and writings left behind by Gail Cleaver. These documents shed light on Hoffman's control mechanisms and possible motives:
"Left behind a series of bizarre diaries and writings associated with Terry Hoffman... Really see how evil she really was." [07:48]
Gail Cleaver further exposes the lack of direct evidence linking Hoffman to the deaths:
"Cause there's no smoking gun." [08:13]
This absence of concrete evidence complicates the pursuit of justice, highlighting the challenges in holding Hoffman accountable.
As the episode concludes, Hirsch leaves listeners pondering the unresolved questions surrounding Terri Hoffman's involvement in the Cleaver family's tragedy. The intricate web of suspicion, lack of direct evidence, and Hoffman's enigmatic persona continue to baffle investigators and the community alike.
"I'm vote the Fifth Amendment. Why do you think it was so difficult to tie Terry to these deaths?" [08:23]
The episode sets the stage for further exploration into Hoffman's life and the broader implications of her influence on the community, promising a deeper investigation into this chilling case in subsequent episodes.
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For those intrigued by this case and eager to uncover more, "Devil in the Ditch" promises an in-depth exploration of Terri Hoffman's enigmatic and possibly sinister impact on her community. Subscribe to The Binge on Apple Podcasts or visit GetTheBinge.com to listen to the full episode and stay updated with future installments.