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Episode: La guerra entre Ucrania y Rusia

Host: Diana Uribe
Date: September 19, 2025
Series: Historias para el Mundo de Hoy (final episode)

Overview

In this comprehensive and deeply contextual episode, Diana Uribe explores the ongoing war between Ukraine and Russia. She unpacks centuries of intertwined history, culture, and shifting identities, examines the rupture of historical promises, and details how current geopolitical dynamics both echo and break from the past. The episode aims to provide historical context and a humanistic perspective, highlighting the complexities and ongoing uncertainties of the conflict. With her signature narrative style, Diana balances empathy, critical analysis, and storytelling to frame a conflict far from resolution, with grave implications for peace, international law, and the lives of millions.

Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. An Unresolved Catastrophe: The Contemporary War

• Timestamp: [00:59 – 05:00]
• The episode is introduced as an exploration of "historias no resueltas", with the Ukrainian war as a central example of unresolved, ongoing geopolitical crises reshaping global order.
• The war began in February 2022 when Russia invaded Ukraine, an event that shocked the world due to recent denials by Putin and the expectation of a "short, special operation."
• "Ya llevamos tres años y contando, porque eso todavía no se ha solucionado." ([02:10])

2. Shared Histories and Divergent Identities

• Timestamp: [05:01 – 12:00]
• Diana traces Slavic and Varangian origins, emphasizing the foundational fusion that formed the early "Rus" people and the historic role of Kiev (Kievan Rus).
• The medieval embrace of Orthodox Christianity by Prince Vladimir of Kiev created a deep division from Catholic Europe, shaping Eastern Slavic identity.
• "Los ucranianos pueden rastrear una identidad propia desde la Rusia de Kiev hasta nuestros días. Y eso para ellos es un relato muy importante." ([11:20])

3. Empires, Language, and Forced Integration

• Timestamp: [12:01 – 18:00]
• Historical division: Western Ukraine under Catholic Poland-Lithuania; Eastern Ukraine under Orthodox Russian power.
• Policies of russification: Ukraine's language was suppressed, Orthodox faith promoted, setting the stage for later conflicts.
• Diana draws parallels to Latin American understanding of language and identity, noting, "entre estos pueblos esas cosas hacen unas grandes diferencias." ([18:00])

4. The Soviet Experience

• Timestamp: [18:01 – 28:00]
• Under the USSR, Ukrainians, Russians, and Belarusians were core members, with Central Asian and Baltic states annexed through various means—often against their will.
• Forced collectives under Stalin led to mass famine in Ukraine (Holodomor): "Esto va a generar una herida histórica que hasta nuestros días todavía sangra en la mente colectiva del pueblo ucraniano." ([27:30])
• Widespread russification meant Russian populations and language took root throughout the Soviet republics.

5. Collapse of the USSR, Nuclear Arms & New Promises

• Timestamp: [28:01 – 37:00]
• The USSR collapsed peacefully in 1991, leaving behind a tangle of independent states and nuclear arsenals, particularly in Ukraine.
• The 1994 Budapest Memorandum: Ukraine gave up its nuclear weapons in exchange for security assurances from Russia, the US, and the UK, including respect for borders:
  • "Respetar las fronteras de Ucrania, lo repito, respetar las fronteras de Ucrania." ([34:50])

6. Vladimir Putin’s Russia & Prelude to War

• Timestamp: [37:01 – 42:30]
• Putin’s ascent was linked to "guerras en Chechenia", displaying a readiness to use overwhelming force within Russia, but annexing Crimea in 2014 was a game-changer internationally.
• The annexation of Crimea violated Budapest guarantees ("Crimea es frontera de Ucrania en el momento de la anexión."), setting up further conflict.

7. Broken Promises: NATO Expansion and the Security Dilemma

• Timestamp: [42:18 – 48:00]
• At German reunification, Russia was assured "not one inch to the east" for NATO—seen as a promise now violated ("Eso es una promesa de reunificación." [43:20]).
• As NATO crept closer, Russia felt increasingly provoked.
• Diana stresses the simultaneity of two narratives: Russia's view of being threatened and the West's view of Russian aggression.

8. The Euromaidán, Separatist Movements, and Minsk Agreements

• Timestamp: [48:01 – 1:01:00]
• The 2013–2014 Euromaidán protests aimed for EU integration, leading to the ousting of a pro-Russian president and a pushback from Russia via Crimea and support for separatists in Donetsk and Lugansk (Donbas).
• The Minsk agreements (2014, 2015) tried to quell conflict, calling for ceasefire and autonomy for separatist regions. None were fulfilled:
  • "Ni Budapest ni Minsk se cumplieron, porque Zelensky tampoco le va a parar bolas…" ([1:00:12])
• Russia refuses to recognize Zelensky's legitimacy, regarding him as the product of a coup.

9. The Invasion of 2022 & Escalation

• Timestamp: [1:01:01 – 1:14:00]
• Russia frames its invasion as "defensa frente a agresiones sistemáticas” and an existential security issue, while the West rallies in support of Ukraine.
• The war drags on far longer and bloodier than predicted:
  • "Las guerras nunca duran cinco minutos. Las guerras no son ni siquiera controlables ni predecibles." ([1:10:00])

10. The Human Cost and the Absurdity of War

• Timestamp: [1:14:01 – 1:24:00]
• Diana's most poignant section—she laments the tragic waste of youth and potential:
  • "Cada soldado que muere en Ucrania… es la gente que muere en estas guerras son las pinturas que no veremos, las novelas que no leeremos..." ([1:18:30])
• She connects today’s human loss to those of past wars, cycles of violence, and the tragic undermining of Europe’s postwar promise.

11. The Fraying of International Order

• Timestamp: [1:24:01 – 1:37:00]
• The war destroys decades-old structures meant to guarantee peace and build prosperous, plural societies (e.g., European welfare, the role of the UN, international law).
• The resurgence of armament, return to nationalist logics, and shifting alliances (e.g., Russia-China) threaten a return to 20th-century kinetic conflict logic.
• “Todo el andamiaje para construir un mundo capaz de convivir se está desbaratando en estas guerras.” ([1:32:00])

12. No Solution in Sight: The Cost of Broken Treaties

• Timestamp: [1:37:01 – 1:47:00]
• Diana warns of dangerous precedents—if taking land by force becomes normalized, it's an ominous message for world order.
• "Una paz con una Ucrania desmembrada, en realidad no es una paz, es un amnisticio…" ([1:44:00])
• Both a forever war and a chop-up “peace” are untenable; every delay costs more lives and increases generational trauma.

13. Closing Reflection: A Call for Humanity and a New Historical Sense

• Timestamp: [1:47:01 – 1:52:00]
• Diana expresses deep sorrow for having to end the series without a more hopeful message, but insists that solutions are possible if humanity prioritizes life over power:
  • "Ojalá una sensatez histórica asomará en este momento, una inteligencia vinculante que nos hiciera mirarnos de otra manera y que tuviera la humanidad y el sufrimiento humano como algo que se debe evitar y la vida como un valor por encima de todo." ([1:50:50])

Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On shared but conflicting stories:
  • "Cada uno tiene una mirada de ese mismo relato, los ucranianos lo tienen desde una línea de identidad desde esos días hasta el presente, y los rusos lo tienen desde una línea que incluye la Rusia de Kiev dentro de su relato de Rusia..." ([10:35])
• On the Holodomor:
  • "Esto va a generar una herida histórica que hasta nuestros días todavía sangra en la mente colectiva del pueblo ucraniano..." ([27:30])
• On the absurdity and tragedy of war:
  • "Cada soldado que muere en Ucrania, cada soldado que muere en Rusia... son las pinturas que no veremos, las novelas que no leeremos..." ([1:18:30])
• On promises broken and the return to old paradigms:
  • "Todo el orden histórico que habíamos creado después de la Segunda Guerra Mundial... ahora lo vamos a desbaratar en 5 minutos..." ([1:28:00])
• On the cost to society:
  • "Lo que los pueblos gastan en armas no lo están gastando en crecimiento, en seguridad social, educación, tanta cosita que hay para gastar en los países. Usted se gasta esta vaina en armas, la vuelve plomo, ¿Me entiende? La vuelve plomo." ([1:33:30])
• On the future and hope:
  • "…la esperanza que no se debe perder nunca, en la mirada de la humanidad como un posible y mejor futuro para todos..." ([1:51:55])

Key Timestamps

• Introduction & Episode Purpose: [00:59–03:00]
• Historical Roots & Kievan Rus: [04:00–12:00]
• Division by Empires, Russification: [12:01–18:00]
• Soviet Period & Holodomor: [18:01–28:00]
• USSR Collapse & Budapest Memorandum: [28:01–37:00]
• Putin’s Rise, Chechnya & Crimea: [37:01–42:30]
• NATO and 'Not one inch east': [42:18–48:00]
• Euromaidán, Donbas & Minsk: [48:01–1:01:00]
• 2022 Invasion, War Dynamics: [1:01:01–1:14:00]
• Human Cost & Absurdity: [1:14:01–1:24:00]
• International Order Unraveling: [1:24:01–1:37:00]
• No Exit, Precedents, Call for Peace: [1:37:01–1:52:00]

Overall Tone and Style

Diana Uribe’s voice is warm, teacherly, passionate, and deeply empathetic. She uses historical analogy, personal observation, and rhetorical questions to highlight the absurdities and heartbreak of war; her language is accessible, vivid, and rooted in Latin American perspective.

The tone in this episode is urgent and mournful, with flashes of hope and repeated calls to embrace peace and humanity over geopolitics.

Conclusion

Diana’s exploration of the Ukraine-Russia war is not only a history lesson but a meditation on broken promises, the mechanics of imperialism, and the urgent need to reclaim humane, peaceful futures. By foregrounding history, culture, and the lived realities of ordinary people, she insists on remembering that every political rupture causes real suffering—and that the world, if it chooses, can do better.

“Ojalá una sensatez histórica asomará en este momento… que tuviera la humanidad y el sufrimiento humano como algo que se debe evitar y la vida como un valor por encima de todo.”
[Diana Uribe, 1:50:50]