1 Liberal vs 10 MAGA Republicans (HEATED DEBATE) | DSH #1994

Summary

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Digital Social Hour | Episode 1994 Summary

Episode Title: 1 Liberal vs 10 MAGA Republicans (HEATED DEBATE)
Release Date: June 2, 2026
Host: Sean Kelly
Special Guest Moderator: Brian Shapiro (Host, Pushing the Limits)
Format: Moderated live panel debate featuring 10 pro-Trump/MAGA-aligned voices, a handful of independent/centrist commentators, and a single liberal/left-leaning provocateur (Brian Shapiro).

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Overview:

This explosive episode features a charged, marathon-style group debate: Brian Shapiro, self-styled liberal and radio host, takes on a gauntlet of 10 pro-Trump and right-leaning guests. The topic is wide-ranging—focusing mainly on whether Donald Trump is “morally bankrupt” and whether his policies and presidency have been good or bad for America. The discussion digs into Trump’s character, personal conduct, civil and political controversies, war policy, and culture war topics such as abortion and immigration.
Despite passionate interruptions, the tone remains mostly combative but occasionally introspective or confessional, with several guests openly wrestling with partisan hypocrisy, past voting records, and the broader brokenness of the U.S. political system.

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Key Themes & Discussion Points

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1. Is Donald Trump Morally Bankrupt?

[00:00–35:00]

Discussion:

• Brian Shapiro opens with: “What does Donald Trump have to do for you to say, man, he's morally bankrupt?” (00:00).
• Lists accusations: infidelity, sexual assault allegations (notably E. Jean Carroll case), financial swindling, lack of empathy, and his relationship with Jeffrey Epstein (01:40–03:00).
• MAGA guests counter with: Trump’s acts of private generosity, his support for people in crisis (e.g., Steve Scalise, Amy Guthrie), and alleged media or legal conspiracies against him (00:10, 28:10–29:36).
• Arguments raised about civil vs. criminal liability in court; skepticism about high-profile #MeToo allegations; doubts over the fairness of the legal process (43:27–49:03).

Memorable Quotes:

• Brian Shapiro:
  “This is a morally bankrupt man who only cares about himself. And I don't know how anybody could defend that.” (02:16)
• Trump Supporter 1:
  “There’s so many cases of people saying that Trump is such a generous person behind closed doors… I don’t think someone can be morally bankrupt and do all those great things.” (27:14)
• Marine Veteran (countering Shapiro):
  “For you to come on here and leading with that argument [about sexual assault] when there hasn't been a clear conviction… disenfranchises real victims of sexual assault.” (50:40)

Timestamps:

• Opening moral prompts: 00:00–08:54
• Civil vs. criminal, due process: 43:27–53:38
• Trump’s acts of generosity: 27:14–29:36

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2. January 6th, Accountability, and Double Standards

[05:00–11:44; recurring]

Discussion:

• Shapiro grills MAGA guests about Trump’s role in January 6th, his refusal to concede, and Trump’s labeling of cop attackers as "hostages" or "patriots."
• Guests dodge, redirect, complain of "both-sides-ism," or claim mainstream narratives are exaggerated.
• When pressed on police violence at BLM vs. January 6th, both sides agree violence against cops is wrong (with caveats).

Memorable Quote:

• Brian Shapiro:
  “If you saw a man raping a woman and then four hours after you said, didn’t you tell him to stop? That’s a fucking ridiculous thing you’re saying.” (05:29)

Timestamps:

• Jan 6th as moral test: 05:07–08:10
• Police violence/hostages: 06:45–08:30

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3. "Whataboutism," Comparing Politicians, and the Hypocrisy Trap

[19:01–38:10+ (throughout)]

Discussion:

• The debate is riddled with “What about Biden/Clinton/Harris?”
• Shapiro repeatedly asserts he’s willing to critique Democrats and progressives for moral failings or criminal actions (e.g., Bill Clinton, Eric Swalwell, Kamala Harris, Pelosi) and claims most MAGA types are cultish, not applying the same logic to Trump (37:24–38:24; 62:58–70:27).
• Several participants argue both major parties are corrupt, American politics is a “choice of the lesser evil,” and the system is fundamentally broken.

Memorable Quote:

• Independent Commentator:
  “Those who choose the lesser of two evils forget that they still choose evil. And I think that we as Americans are in a position to where we are constantly forced to choose the lesser of two evils.” (70:41)

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4. Trump’s Policies: Economic Claims & War with Iran

[74:40–103:39]

Discussion:

• Supporters tout Trump’s “first-term” policies: Tax cuts, border security, killing ISIS leaders, tough China stance (74:40–76:44).
• Shapiro and some commentators frame the second Trump term as disastrous: "$8.2 trillion of new debt," war in Iran, cuts to Medicaid/food stamps, inflation, and “tax breaks for the 1%.”
• Heated back-and-forth over whether Trump authored or was manipulated into the Iran war (Shapiro blames both Trump and Israeli interests), and whether pre-Trump policies “built up” to conflict.
• Supporters and detractors clash on whether “Trump was manipulated,” if he’s truly a peace president, and the accountability of presidents regarding global war and peace.

Memorable Quotes:

• Brian Shapiro:
  “The person that gave in and said, 'okay Bibi [Netanyahu],' is Donald J. Trump.” (131:35)
• Anti-War Advocate:
  “This war is not because of Trump... The only threat bringing us into this war is Israel and the government of Israel. Bibi Netanyahu has been convincing Congress since the 1990s.” (127:47)

Timestamps:

• Overview of Trump’s first term positives: 74:40–76:44
• Critique of Iran war/foreign policy: 77:44–103:39

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5. Abortion and the Pro-Life vs. Pro-Choice Divide

[104:00–114:56]

Discussion:

• Shapiro: pro-choice, safe/rare legal abortion, with restrictions for late-term/unless mother’s health is in play; supports adoption but emphasizes systemic failure with hundreds of thousands of children waiting.
• Pro-life guests: Draw moral equivalence between abortion and slavery, argue “life begins at conception,” and oppose all exceptions (“incest victims should be forced to give birth”).
• Shapiro pushes supporters to account for pro-life hypocrisy: “If you’re so pro-life, why support politicians who gut food stamps, healthcare, and social welfare for poor mothers and children?”
• Some guests admit: “We should triple tax credits—support mothers far more.”

Memorable Quote:

• Brian Shapiro:
  "Don’t vote for candidates that are voting against bills that would help mothers and poor women and people in society raise children... Be consistent when it comes to pro life." (114:29–114:35)

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6. Immigration, The Constitution, & ‘Make America White Again’

[143:16–154:59]

Discussion:

• Constitutional arguments about due process for all persons, not just citizens:
  Brian Shapiro: “In our Constitution, it says any person has the right to due process.”
• Debate on deporting nonviolent, long-term undocumented immigrants with families versus “changing the law first.”
• Shapiro accuses GOP/MAGA of wanting to “make America white again,” arguing most Republican policy is hostile to minorities and to naturalization pathway reform.

Memorable Quotes:

• Brian Shapiro:
  "It's not that everyone who voted for Donald Trump is racist, but everybody who is racist voted for Donald Trump. It's not Make America great again, it's Make America white again." (155:14)

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7. Presidential Pardons, Corruption and Double Standards

[117:55–126:57]

Discussion:

• Debate over Trump’s controversial pardons (January 6 bombast, fraudsters, foreign traffickers) vs. Biden’s (Hunter Biden, Fauci?).
• Theme of “auto-pen” controversy, whether a president must know each person pardoned.
• Accusations of hypocrisy by both sides.

Memorable Quotes:

• Brian Shapiro:
  “I don't think any president should have the authority to pardon anybody.” (122:44)
• Brian Shapiro (zinger):
  “Give me the same amount of time your guy lasted with Stormy Daniels... like 13 seconds.” (125:43)

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Additional Notable Moments & Quotes

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• On ‘Cult-like’ MAGA vs. Democratic Hypocrisy:
  “I don’t defend Bill Clinton… I can look you in the face and say I believe Bill Clinton did some horrible things. You are not willing to say the same about Donald Trump because you’re in a cult.” (Shapiro, 37:56)

• On Trump’s Wealth and Grift:
  “He’s made more money in the presidency than all the presidents combined… selling Bibles for $60, made $1.3 million… $60 million off Trump phones.” (Shapiro, 17:26–18:24)

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Timestamps for Major Segments

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| Segment / Topic | Timestamp | |--------------------------------------------------------------|---------------------| | Introduction of Morality Debate | 00:00–08:54 | | Civil vs. Criminal Liability (sexual assault) | 43:27–53:38 | | Whataboutism and Systemic Hypocrisy | 19:01–38:10 | | Trump Supporters Defend (acts of generosity, ‘goodness’) | 27:14–29:36 | | Economy & Policy Arguments | 74:40–89:33 | | War with Iran & Foreign Policy | 84:08–103:39 | | Abortion & Pro-Life Discussion | 104:00–114:56 | | Immigration & The Constitution | 143:16–154:59 | | Presidential Pardons & Corruption | 117:55–126:57 | | Final Thoughts, Conclusions | 153:39–156:10 |

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Concluding Section: Tone & Takeaways

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• Tone: Relentlessly confrontational, sharply partisan, but with numerous attempts at humor, honest personal history (some guests admit past voting regrets, criminal pasts, and are introspective about partisanship).
• Host/Moderator’s Stance: Brian Shapiro repeatedly claims he holds both parties accountable, but most guests see him as representing the “liberal” or “Democratic” side regardless. Many pro-Trump guests oscillate between defending Trump’s record, criticizing “media narratives,” and complaining about “gotcha” standards.
• Big Themes:
  • American politics is deeply polarized, with little consensus even on established facts.
  • “Whataboutism” and mutual accusations of hypocrisy abound.
  • Systemic failings—from the courts to immigration to public debates—outweigh individual candidate’s flaws for many.
  • Both sides distrust media, legal institutions, and (to a surprising degree) their own parties.

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Summary for the Uninitiated

If you haven’t heard the episode, this is a rare, no-holds-barred, at-times-raucous group debate which personifies America’s culture war and hyper-partisan climate in 2026.

• Expect profane arguments about Trump’s character intertwined with policy debates on the war in Iran, abortion rights, the economy, and immigration.
• The podcast demonstrates the near-impossibility of consensus or even shared reality in modern American political discourse, but also the emotional stakes and lived experiences (including guests sharing military service, criminal justice encounters, or personal loss) that animate voters on all sides.

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For Listeners Who Want More

• Best Soundbite (zinger):
  “Give me the same amount of time that your guy lasted with Stormy Daniels… like 13 seconds.” (Shapiro, 125:43)
• Most Revealing Exchange:
  Debate over due process for immigrants—Constitutional ideals versus partisan reality (143:16–146:53).

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Note: This summary condenses over 2.5 hours of heated debate into clear themes with representative quotes and key timestamps. For nuance, humor, and the full emotional roller coaster, the original episode is worth experiencing.

Transcript

[Brian Shapiro]

What does Donald Trump have to do for you to say, man, he's morally bankrupt? I can't support this guy anymore? What does he have to do? Does he have to be on video for you to say, geez, I can't support him anymore?

[Trump Supporter 1]

There's a lot of cases of Trump calling people, checking on them when they're in the hospital, when they're dying of cancer. Representative Steve Scalise, for example, when he got shot, Trump checked on him. They said for months he would call every single day to make the argument that he's morally bankrupt. I think is not fair.

[Brian Shapiro]

He's cheated on every single woman he's ever been with, including his current wife or contractual wife. I'd like to call her Melania Trump. Trump with Stormy Daniels. He raw dogged Stormy Daniels literally two weeks after Barron was born.

[Independent Commentator]

I do think that Trump is a bad guy. I think he's low morals. All presidents and even like Kamala Harris, their low morality actually applies to what they did while they were in office.

[Brian Shapiro]

Can you name me one thing that Joe Biden has ever said that rises to that level of disrespect?

[Anti-War Advocate]

He killed 13 US soldiers with a box pole and oh, please be that's bullshit.

[Brian Shapiro]

I believe Bill Clinton did some horrible things. You are not willing to sit here and say the same about Donald Trump because you're in a. The guy joining us, right? This is really weird for me to say. It's very strange. He was accused and arrested for an attempted assassination on Donald Trump. I am Brian Shapiro from the show Pushing the Limits. And my first prompt today is why I say Donald Trump is morally bankrupt. All right, thanks for coming. Obviously, I believe Donald Trump is morally bankrupt. Before I get into that, I want to get your take. What do you think about that? Do you agree with me that Trump is a morally bankrupt man?

[Skeptical Listener]

Well, what's that mean?

[Brian Shapiro]

Well, it means that, you know, we have 30 women that have accused him of or sexual assault. When you are a 34 count felon, when your own ex wife says that he raped her and then he pays her off to keep her mouth shut. This is a guy that is a swindler. Whether we talk about Trump University or, you know, there's a number of different issues we could talk about. When Robert Mueller dies and he says, I'm happy he's dead. The comments he made about John McCain, for example, I know I'm throwing a lot at you and I probably have about 200 different things that I could mention, but the man has no moral compass. He only cares about himself. And I really don't know how anybody out there, especially the evangelical right, can support this man when. When you look at his actions. And yes, he is a liable sexual abuser, whether people want to admit that or not. He was found liable for sexually abusing E. Jean Carroll. He's cheated on every single woman he's ever been with, including his current wife or contractual wife. I'd like to call her Melania Trump with Stormy Daniels. I mean, you are aware of that, right? He raw dogged Stormy Daniels literally. Literally two weeks after Barron was born. I'm sorry if I'm being graphic, but I am. That is a morally bankrupt man who only cares about himself. And I don't know how anybody could defend that. You can try.

[Skeptical Listener]

Well, if this is what you believe, you got that information from somewhere.

[Brian Shapiro]

What do you mean, believe? With respect, is he not a liable sexual abuser? Yes or no? I don't believe so. Okay, but what did a court say? What did. What did a jury say? Let's forget about your beliefs for a moment. And my beliefs. The question is, is Donald Trump a liable sexual abuser? If I asked you if O.J. simpson. Well, he's dead now, but if O.J. simpson was a double murderer, you could say, I believe he probably committed those crimes, but a jury found him innocent. So my question is, is Donald Trump a liable sexual abuser?

[Skeptical Listener]

I don't believe so.

[Brian Shapiro]

Okay, but I don't. But I'm not asking you whether. I understand you don't believe E. G. Carroll.

[Skeptical Listener]

Well, I don't believe the court and the trials, as all my friends here will probably concur, were setups, that those weren't real. Shut up.

[Brian Shapiro]

What about all the. What about the 30 women that have accused him of her sexual assault? Are they all lying as well, including his ex wife in court documents and

[Skeptical Listener]

a deposition, I would need to see that.

[Brian Shapiro]

You would need to see that. So how can you argue whether he's morally. Narratives in the news? No, they're not narratives in the news. When you're found liable in a court of law. That's not a narrative. That's actually what happened. When Donald Trump says, I'm grabbing women by the. That's not a narrative, sir, with all due respect, he said that. I've been in locker rooms my whole life. I was a Division 1 college athlete. I've never heard somebody talk like that about grabbing women by the pussy. That's not a narrative. It's not a narrative. Okay. When a jury finds in a courtroom that they Literally find him liable for abuse. The judge in the case characterized it as. I'm sorry, what was your name again?

[Pro-Choice Advocate]

Taylor.

[Brian Shapiro]

Taylor.

[Pro-Choice Advocate]

Nice to meet you.

[Brian Shapiro]

Nice to meet you, Taylor. All right, Taylor. I believe Donald Trump is a morally bankrupt man. Why would you disagree?

[Pro-Choice Advocate]

I mean, like, why?

[Brian Shapiro]

Okay, well, let me ask you a simple question about January 6th. If Donald Trump doesn't lie about the 2020 election, because we all know, and it's not even up for a discussion, quite frankly, he did not win the 2020 election, there's no evidence of widespread voter fraud. If Donald Trump didn't lie about that, does January 6th happen? Yes or no?

[Pro-Choice Advocate]

Possibly. I mean, he literally.

[Trump Supporter 2]

He told him to leave.

[Brian Shapiro]

Possibly. Okay, so let's go with that for a moment. So you're. Hold on, hold on.

[Pro-Choice Advocate]

Didn't he tell them to.

[Brian Shapiro]

Hold on.

[Pro-Choice Advocate]

Did he not tell them to leave?

[Brian Shapiro]

Yes or no? Four hours. Let me answer your question. Don't.

[Pro-Choice Advocate]

But you got to.

[Brian Shapiro]

You got to let me answer your question. No, I'm going to ask me a

[Pro-Choice Advocate]

yes or no question. I'm going to ask you back, yes or no.

[Brian Shapiro]

Four hours after it started. So, yeah, Four hours after it started.

[Pro-Choice Advocate]

Yes.

[Brian Shapiro]

Four hours after it started.

[Pro-Choice Advocate]

Like, quit, quit.

[Brian Shapiro]

Four hours after it started. Yes or no. If you saw a man raping a woman and then four hours after you said, didn't you tell him to stop? That's a fucking ridiculous thing you're saying. Let me explain.

[Pro-Choice Advocate]

Are you referring to Trump?

[Brian Shapiro]

You're telling me. Hold on, let's talk about January 6th. Hold on, hold on, hold on. Let's start with January 6th. You're telling me that if Donald Trump did what every other president did in American history and conceded like every other president, you're telling me January 6th still happens. I know you have that smirk on your face because you look ridiculous. Okay, tell me right now. Look at me right now and tell me right now in front of the cameras that January six still happens if Donald Trump concedes.

[Pro-Choice Advocate]

I don't think somebody. That's Ginger should be calling me.

[Brian Shapiro]

Okay, just answer the question. Number the question.

[Pro-Choice Advocate]

Number two, though.

[Brian Shapiro]

Answer the question. What do you mean? Number two, you got to take. Answer the question.

[Pro-Choice Advocate]

Wouldn't happen. But you brought up Trump.

[Brian Shapiro]

Why won't you answer that question?

[Skeptical Listener]

Rape.

[Brian Shapiro]

Answer my question, dude. You got. I'll answer yours, but you got to answer mine.

[Pro-Choice Advocate]

I said possibly.

[Brian Shapiro]

Okay, okay. So you're saying. Okay, that's a very logical opinion. So if Donald Trump concedes and does what every other president does, you still think that People try to overthrow the outcome of a free and fair election. What do you think about police officers that were beaten on January 6th? Would you call them hostages and patriots?

[Pro-Choice Advocate]

Would you call police officers?

[Brian Shapiro]

Don't answer a question. Blm, don't answer.

[Pro-Choice Advocate]

Oh, wait, what about David Dorn?

[Brian Shapiro]

I'll answer.

[Pro-Choice Advocate]

Blm.

[Brian Shapiro]

Hold on, hold on, hold on.

[Pro-Choice Advocate]

Police officer.

[Brian Shapiro]

Black.

[Pro-Choice Advocate]

The black police officer that was shot.

[Brian Shapiro]

This is a microcosm of what Trump supporters do. I'm happy to answer any question about blm, and I promise you I'll answer your question. But. But you are going to fucking answer my question first. Okay? And if you're not going to answer it, then take a seat and let somebody else come up there.

[Pro-Choice Advocate]

Am I.

[Brian Shapiro]

Are you going to force. Do you think that if you're going to beat a cop, you're going to force me? This isn't going to go well for you if you don't answer any of my questions.

[Trump Supporter 1]

Oh, really?

[Brian Shapiro]

Do you think. Do you think that if you beat a cop, okay, you can attack me on my physical appearance. That's fine.

[Pro-Choice Advocate]

You attacked me on my physical. And I'm just pointing out the obvious.

[Brian Shapiro]

No, your smile. I didn't attack you on your physical appearance. Smile was physical. So answer my question. Okay, Answer my question. Otherwise we'll go to somebody else. Are you a crazy. They love the. Are you a hike. You actually. Okay, I bet they do. Are you a hostage now? I don't think it's funny.

[Pro-Choice Advocate]

Hostage? No, I'm not. In Israel or Gaza.

[Brian Shapiro]

No, I don't.

[Pro-Choice Advocate]

I'm not a hostage.

[Brian Shapiro]

We could either have a serious conversation.

[Pro-Choice Advocate]

Ask me if I was a hostage.

[Brian Shapiro]

Okay, you're not.

[Pro-Choice Advocate]

That a dumb question.

[Brian Shapiro]

No, I know you're not a dumb. I'm repeating the question again so you can understand it.

[Pro-Choice Advocate]

Okay, I can see that.

[Brian Shapiro]

Okay. If you beat a cop on January 6th, and we do know that there were some people that did do that and they were convicted, are you a hostage and a patriot? And then I'll get to your Black Lives Matter question.

[Pro-Choice Advocate]

Okay, well, I think that we should go case by case. And some people that did that, sure, they should deserve jail time.

[Brian Shapiro]

Okay, I agree. So.

[Disillusioned Voter]

But.

[Brian Shapiro]

But I didn't ask you if they deserve jail time. Obviously, we agree on that. If it's a Black Lives Matter protest and somebody beats a cop, of course I want them held to the highest extent of the law. Would you characterize someone who beat a cop on January 6 as a hostage or a patriot? I'm asking you. Like, this is like the eighth time and you're not answering. No. So you disagree with Donald Trump.

[Pro-Choice Advocate]

So I don't have to agree with him on everything.

[Brian Shapiro]

Okay, great.

[Pro-Choice Advocate]

Like you.

[Brian Shapiro]

You follow whatever.

[Pro-Choice Advocate]

Kamala, the Democratic Party.

[Brian Shapiro]

I don't know what you're talking about. You mean you. Wait, wait, hold on a second. Do you realize that I put out a video video last week that went viral?

[Pro-Choice Advocate]

I don't follow you, okay? I don't have Facebook.

[Brian Shapiro]

Clearly you don't follow politics either. But, but, but let me just explain to you what I did.

[Pro-Choice Advocate]

You literally sat here.

[Brian Shapiro]

You think I'm a cultist.

[Pro-Choice Advocate]

You sat here. You ran into him about Donald Trump's experience.

[Brian Shapiro]

That's what the prompt is. That's what we're talking about.

[Pro-Choice Advocate]

Why don't we talk about that?

[Brian Shapiro]

We're talking about being morally bankrupt. I just asked you about January. Connect the dots. What about with the women, bro? What about with the women?

[Pro-Choice Advocate]

I know you don't want to hear that.

[Brian Shapiro]

What about with women?

[Pro-Choice Advocate]

What did he do?

[Brian Shapiro]

Specifically, what did Donald Trump do? He was found liable for sexual abuse. Okay? That was proven. He's had 30 allegations from women that I believe that are credible, including his ex wife in court documents, in a deposition. He's the guy that's named over 40,000 times in the Epstein files, who Donald Trump and Epstein said, well, were best friends. Let me ask you a question, since you want to talk about women. I'm glad you brought that up. Can you give me one logical reason why Donald Trump has treated Gizeay Maxwell like a vip? Give me one reason.

[Pro-Choice Advocate]

He shouldn't have.

[Brian Shapiro]

And also, he shouldn't have.

[Pro-Choice Advocate]

I mean.

[Brian Shapiro]

Well, morally bankrupt.

[Trump Supporter 1]

Thank you.

[Brian Shapiro]

Thank you.

[Pro-Choice Advocate]

I mean, those teeth look pretty nice. Who'd you extort? Your ex wife?

[Brian Shapiro]

Are you a serious person?

[Pro-Choice Advocate]

What about the order of protection?

[Brian Shapiro]

Are you not a serious person? All right, you're obviously not a serious. Get him out of here. You're not a serious. You're not a serious person. You're not a serious person.

[Pro-Choice Advocate]

Girlfriend documents with your ex girlfriend.

[Brian Shapiro]

What? What ex girlfriend are you referring to?

[Pro-Choice Advocate]

Protection that you filed against her.

[Brian Shapiro]

Wasn't an ex girlfriend.

[Pro-Choice Advocate]

For actually going after your.

[Brian Shapiro]

Wasn't an ex girlfriend.

[Pro-Choice Advocate]

You asked her for a thousand.

[Brian Shapiro]

Wasn't an ex girlfriend. I'm happy to answer that. Even though you're not a serious person. Sure. So in the last two years of my life, I've had people who have threatened my life. The person that you are referring to, okay, is somebody that sent me death threats. It was never somebody. Let me finish. It was never somebody that I dated. It was never an ex girlfriend. This person threatened me, threatened my family, was obsessed with me. So because of that, there are no public court documents. Do you know why? But she gave you money. Okay. Yeah. Do you know why? Do you know anything about this situation?

[Pro-Choice Advocate]

Well, I mean, I saw the text messages.

[Brian Shapiro]

Yeah, yeah. Those aren't, those aren't court documents. You're the person talking about morally, you are bringing up something that you know absolutely nothing about. The reason why I had to file

[Pro-Choice Advocate]

beyond Donald Trump is.

[Brian Shapiro]

Okay, so now you're going back to Trump.

[Pro-Choice Advocate]

I'm trying to.

[Brian Shapiro]

Hold on a second. You brought up something about my personal life. Okay. And you don't know what you're talking about. The reason why, the reason why I had another person's personal life.

[Pro-Choice Advocate]

That's why I'm sitting here saying them.

[Brian Shapiro]

Excuse me. I was never found liable for anything in a court of law. I have never been in a court of law. Okay, I'm answering your question. Your question about a restraining order that I had to file against somebody. And apparently you think this is funny. What do you mean? Civil case? I, I, I didn't civilly file a lawsuit against anybody. Do you know the difference between a civil case and what I did, which was file a restraining order against somebody? What you just said is a complete lie. It's factually inaccurate. And if you can find me any court case, any court case, in any court document of me breaking any laws or doing anything, please go ahead and let me know. You're not a serious person. You don't know what you're talking about. You're here just to smirk and laugh and make jokes. So get the fuck out of here and let somebody else go. You're saying I'm not talking to this guy anymore? Get the fuck out of here.

[Pro-Choice Advocate]

Okay.

[Brian Shapiro]

Yeah, the fuck out of here. What's up, man? So sorry, what's your name?

[Skeptical Listener]

Nate.

[Brian Shapiro]

Nate, Nice to meet you.

[Skeptical Listener]

So look, I won't make excuses for a lot of what, what Trump says. You know, he said a lot of things that probably a lot of people disagree with. And, you know, he's very polarizing President. But my question is, is he, is he a, is he a good president? Right. Is he a moral president? And does he, does he preside with, with morality? And I think that, number one, the Make America Healthy Again movement just recently, they just reduced. 35% of the foods now have been reduced and gotten rid of the toxic dyes in the food, which is going to help to improve the Health of the next generation veterans, for example. More veterans have killed themselves than all of the Afghanistan wars from suicide. It's a big problem. So Trump is now also addressing.

[Brian Shapiro]

Can I just ask you. I do believe that there are some policies where you could say, okay, those policies are helping people. But I also believe two things could be right at the same time. You could agree with some policies that you think are helping the American people, but you could also be a morally bankrupt guy. Right. For example. And you tell me if you disagree with this or not in regards to the war in Iran. Right. 175 school children are killed. The first thing he does is blame Iran. And by the way, I don't defend Iran or the. Or the Iran government. Right. He knew that Tomahawk, or maybe he didn't, which is unbelievably ignorant, but we own Tomahawk missiles and there are a few other countries in the world that do. What's the first thing he does? He says Iran did it. To this day, he hasn't apologized for that. Right. I'm not saying that the Trump administration intentionally tried to kill 175 school children. I don't think they tried to do that on purpose. But when you know you did it, take responsibility for it. And I think that's morally bankrupt in a.

[Skeptical Listener]

Is there evidence that they did that?

[Brian Shapiro]

They've already admitted members of the Trump administration have said it was a mistake, but Pete Hegseth has never been on the record yet apologizing or saying it was their fault. Donald Trump has not done that either. I think when you're the President of the United States, it's your responsibility to do that. Yes. We can get into the personal stuff, and I understand what you're saying.

[Trump Supporter 1]

Yeah.

[Brian Shapiro]

I'm sure there are some policies that you like that could be helping people. I get that. But I just feel like on a world stage, it's very important, very important to own and take responsibility that for mistakes that were made, whether you agree or disagree with the war in Iran. Does that make sense?

[Pro-Choice Advocate]

Yeah.

[Skeptical Listener]

Again, if, if it turns out that it was indeed our fault, then, Then

[Brian Shapiro]

he fought was, though. That's my point.

[Skeptical Listener]

I just didn't look into it. So I, I don't.

[Brian Shapiro]

I understand. What do you think about the war, by the way? Do you think it's morally the right thing to do?

[Skeptical Listener]

I don't necessarily. I'm not 100% for it. But, you know, if it were the case that Iran was close to developing a nuclear weapon, I don't think that's a risk anybody should be taking.

[Brian Shapiro]

I mean, I believe that whether you agree or disagree with the president and you're Republican or a Democrat, having nicknames for people that you disagree with. Days after, I think it was the day after Robert Mueller died, he goes on social media, he says, I'm glad he's dead again. I mean, imagine if Joe Biden or Obama said something like that.

[Skeptical Listener]

I'm not going to try to defend what he said, his tweets.

[Brian Shapiro]

Do you think he's a more. Do you think he's a moral man?

[Skeptical Listener]

I think. I think he presides with presidency, with morality. And I think that really what matters is his policies and the outcomes for the American people. If we have safer cities, safer streets, healthier children, more better, better health care.

[Brian Shapiro]

I mean, I can't. We're going to talk about policy. I'm happy to do that with you, but that's just kind of.

[Skeptical Listener]

That's the angle that I want to.

[Brian Shapiro]

So what's your. I understand. So what's your threshold? What does Donald Trump have to do for you to say, man, he's morally bankrupt? I can't support this guy anymore? What does he have to do? Does he have to be on video molesting a child for you to say, geez, I can't support him anymore? This is a guy who literally is protecting pedophiles. Literally, as we speak. Look at Ghislaine Maxwell and look at the way the administration is treating her like a vip. Even after five months ago with her attorney, she said, I'm not giving up any names unless you give me a full pardon. That's what she said. Did Donald Trump put her back into that prison? No, I asked the last guy the same question. I'll ask you the same question. Can you give me one logical reason why Maxwell is still in a Club Med facility right now?

[Skeptical Listener]

Yeah. She's got leverage, and she's probably one of the last living people.

[Brian Shapiro]

So he's probably protecting people, if not himself. Is that a fair character? Or.

[Skeptical Listener]

He's trying to get information.

[Brian Shapiro]

If he was trying to get information, she just said she would not give up names unless she gets a full pardon. Now, maybe you could have used that reasoning a year ago, but you can't use it now. So what is the reason why she's still in a Club Med facility?

[Skeptical Listener]

Well, you know, like they say, you know, you track more bees with honey. Right. Than vinegar. So I just think that there's probably a strategy. You know, she, again, she was very heavily involved, and I think that what

[Brian Shapiro]

would be, what would the strategy be if she already said she's not speaking? Unless she change?

[Skeptical Listener]

I mean, people change their mind.

[Brian Shapiro]

So you think the biggest sex trafficker, arguably in American history is allowed a dog, allowed guests and people to come in there. She's allowed to use the Internet and work out whenever she wants to. You can't be okay with that?

[Skeptical Listener]

No, I'm definitely not okay with that. I don't know the circumstances of her confinement, you know, if that's the case.

[Brian Shapiro]

Well, the circumstances have gone up publicly because Democrats have investigated this and they've released that. And that's where I'm getting that information from. You know, it's not, it's not like out of thin air. I understand you might like some of his policies. I would disagree with you on that. And we can get into that a little bit later in the next prompt. But my point is that he's just a really awful human being. And I think if you're a chaotic man who's lived a chaotic life, you're probably going to be a chaotic president. And I think that's what we're seeing right now. And I don't think the man has any morals at all. I think the only person he cares about is himself. He doesn't care about everyday Americans. If he did, he wouldn't have given tax breaks to the top 1%.

[Skeptical Listener]

Didn't he lose money during his first presidency? Didn't become less rich?

[Brian Shapiro]

Do you know that Donald Trump has made more money in the presidency than every single president combined? Every single president combined. He's made more money.

[Skeptical Listener]

His family is running the Trump brand.

[Brian Shapiro]

He and his family have made more money off the presidency than all the presidents combined. You could look that up. You look at the crypto scandal that this guy has made billions of dollars for him and his family. We can talk about that. We could talk about the Trump Bibles. We could talk about the Trump paraphernalia. So listen, we can talk about selling Bibles. I don't know if anybody here is a religious person. The guy has Bibles sold in China for a dollar. He's selling Bibles for $60 a pop. He's made $1.3 million off of the Bibles. What about all the people who bought the Trump phones? Now, eventually, they might get the phones, but, boy, we're not getting a lot of information on that. He made $60 million off of that. That's what I mean by morally bankrupt. Yeah, he doesn't take his $400,000 a year salary so he can gold plate the White House. But when you've made billions of dollars and Jared Kushner makes $2.1 billion from the Saudis, to me, that's a morally bankrupt President of the United States. And even if I might like or dislike some of his policies, I do believe that the man has no morals.

[Skeptical Listener]

Did he make money because of the presidency or despite the presidency?

[Brian Shapiro]

Because of the presidency.

[Skeptical Listener]

Do you have evidence on that, on correlation?

[Brian Shapiro]

So, yeah, I mean, do you think he would have made billions of dollars off of this crypto deal if he wasn't president? Do you think. Do you think he would have been selling Bibles and he would have made that money off of Bibles, or he would have sold the Trump shoes or the Trump hats make America great again or whatever.

[Skeptical Listener]

When you're a businessman, you find ways to make money.

[Brian Shapiro]

He wasn't selling any of that stuff before he ran for president.

[Skeptical Listener]

You would have been doing something else.

[Brian Shapiro]

I disagree with you.

[Skeptical Listener]

I mean, that's just speculation.

[Brian Shapiro]

I mean. Okay, okay, thank you.

[Skeptical Listener]

Thanks.

[Brian Shapiro]

Yep. All right, Joe, nice to meet you. Obviously, I think Donald Trump is a morally bankrupt man and a terrible human being. Where am I wrong?

[Moderate Republican]

Well, I would say that it's hard to judge a person completely by their public Persona all the time because we don't know what he's going through as a person, as a president. I can't sit here and honestly, coming on to this debate, 10 Republicans versus a liberal, is more of like, let's talk about the Republican policy.

[Brian Shapiro]

You think I'm a liberal?

[Moderate Republican]

Well, that's the way it's. It's set is like, hey, this Jubilee, 10 Republicans versus liberal.

[Brian Shapiro]

I think that's why we're all here anti Trump.

[Independent Commentator]

Right.

[Moderate Republican]

And so I think to be able to come here and see the prompts like a day before and be like, it's all like, bad mouthing our potus. I'm going to try to do this in a respectful litigation way. So it's hard for me as a person to say that, yes, one person is totally morally bankrupt because I don't know him personally. I see what he's trying to do as president. I see that he's done good things.

[Brian Shapiro]

You need to know somebody personally to make a judgment and say, that's a bad person. Personally, yes. You have to know, is Jeffrey Dahmer a good person? You didn't know him personally? I didn't know him personally, no.

[Moderate Republican]

Did he come to Christ at the end?

[Trump Supporter 3]

I don't know. I have no idea.

[Moderate Republican]

So you can it's not my position.

[Brian Shapiro]

Hold on.

[Moderate Republican]

A person is morally. I'm judging them on their job.

[Brian Shapiro]

Okay. So I judge people on human beings, how they've lived their life.

[Moderate Republican]

How do you know how they live their life?

[Brian Shapiro]

Well, because Jeffrey Dahmer was a convicted murderer.

[Moderate Republican]

Okay, fair enough.

[Brian Shapiro]

Why can't. You can't say Jeffrey Dahmer was a bad guy.

[Moderate Republican]

I'm not saying he wasn't a bad guy.

[Brian Shapiro]

He morally bankrupt. He's a murderer.

[Trump Supporter 1]

Right, okay.

[Brian Shapiro]

Morally.

[Moderate Republican]

You want me to say morally bankrupt. And this is kind of like you want me to put this in this box. But what I'm trying to say is that as a person to another person, it's hard for anybody to say, I know 100%, this person is a morally bankrupt, evil person.

[Brian Shapiro]

Okay? So let's go issue by issue. And you could tell me whether you think it's a morally horrific. I don't know. Thing to do. Again, I want to go back because it's in the news, because it happened several months ago. Robert Mueller dies. He's a Purple Heart recipient, never been convicted.

[Moderate Republican]

On. Badmouth them on Twitter saying that he was. He was happy that he died.

[Brian Shapiro]

Yeah, yeah. It's not a horrible thing to say. Right. Rob Reiner, did he kill him, though? No, I never said that. Because if he killed him, I never said I would be evil. There's a difference.

[Moderate Republican]

Said a bad thing on Twitter.

[Brian Shapiro]

Yeah. Pretty. Pretty horrible, right? I would say Robert Ryan.

[Moderate Republican]

Not a classy.

[Brian Shapiro]

Yeah.

[Disillusioned Voter]

Joke.

[Brian Shapiro]

I think it's a horrible Rob Reiner. Well, he wasn't joking. He said, I'm glad he's dead. I don't think that's a joke.

[Moderate Republican]

Well, he jokes very roughly and badly. I'm not saying that he makes great, great.

[Brian Shapiro]

Rob Reiner and his wife are brutally murdered, I would assume by their son. And then the next day, instead of saying nothing or saying, hey, thoughts and prayers for the family, he mocks Rob Reiner. Now, my personal opinion, and I'll talk about Charlie Kirk today, too. I called out everybody on the left who celebrated his death. Now, I didn't celebrate his life because I don't think Charlie Kirk was a good guy. But I would never celebrate his death. What happened to him was awful, terrible. I know people, friends that were 30ft away.

[Moderate Republican]

He was my boss.

[Brian Shapiro]

I'm sorry for your. For your loss. It's horrible. Okay? And I got emotional on the air because I was on the air when it happened. Anybody who celebrates somebody dying or being murdered, I think it's wrong. I think it's repugnant. It's terrible. Why is it okay for the President of the United States? I'm not saying you're saying it's okay, but Rob Reiner was brutally murdered. And what does Donald Trump do? He goes on Twitter the next day and he starts making horrible remarks about the Reiner family. Now, I've talked to a lot of MAGA Republicans that say that was wrong, but we're not talking about a podcaster. We're not talking about somebody at the water cooler in a conversation. That would be bad enough. We're talking about the President of the United States who's supposed to show leadership, and he's celebrating and making jokes about people dying. In this case, Rob Reiner murdered Joe. I just think it's disgusting.

[Moderate Republican]

Yeah, definitely not a class act move. I personally actually knew Rob Reiner personally. He actually was very nice to my family. He got us tickets to U2 at the Sphere. So it was a very personal thing to hear that. And I think what happens is Rob Reiner has been a proponent against the conservative cause and against Trump. And so Trump founds, finds a moment to, hey, he's dead. Thank goodness. Let's poke. Let's poke a little knife at it. So is it classy?

[Pro-Choice Advocate]

No.

[Moderate Republican]

Did he kill Rob Reiner? No. So it's, it's different opinion on those,

[Brian Shapiro]

on those cases, specifically, if a Democrat did that, I would be saying the exact same thing. I would call out anybody on the left. Let's just say, hypothetically speaking, James woods is murdered. Okay. I don't want that to happen. Or, I don't know, Kevin Sorbo, Dean Cain, whatever. I'm too. Chris, I'm just giving. I'm just giving people on the right that are staunch Trump supporters, right? Let's just say they're brutally murdered. And again, I don't want that to happen. Let's just say that happened under the Biden administration. And then the next day, Joe Biden goes on social media. Let's just say it's, you know, he

[Moderate Republican]

doesn't know how to get on social media.

[Brian Shapiro]

Well, that's. But that's not the point I'm making. The point I'm making is if a lefty, anybody, an elected official, high up, made a joke about a murder of one of these people, I would say the exact same thing. It's morally bankrupt. But listen, I'm not a huge Joe Biden defender.

[Disillusioned Voter]

I.

[Brian Shapiro]

But the man has empathy for people. He wouldn't do that.

[Moderate Republican]

I mean, he can't do anything. He's sleeping the whole time.

[Brian Shapiro]

Well, again, even watch. Have you been watching the news? Did you see Donald Trump fall asleep at the meetings last week? And then, and then the excuse I got when his eyes are closed for 15 seconds is he was blinking. I mean, I mean, there's a huge

[Moderate Republican]

difference between Donald Trump and Joe.

[Brian Shapiro]

We can get into that. But Donald Trump is the guy that said, you need voter ID to buy bread. Donald Trump is the guy who said Jeb Bush got us into the war in Iraq. Donald Trump is the guy that said, I defeated Barack Obama in the elections. So they're both old people. Okay. They're both old. Okay.

[Moderate Republican]

Let's talk about the morality again. I thought that was.

[Trump Supporter 3]

That was interesting.

[Moderate Republican]

So you had a couple of the two points and then you said your third point was.

[Brian Shapiro]

Well, I have a lot of points that I could make on why I think to the next one why I think he's okay. That's.

[Moderate Republican]

It was him saying stuff on Twitter, not classy.

[Brian Shapiro]

What about, what about John? He said, you don't have to be morally bankrupt. You know, you don't have to murder somebody to be morally bankrupt. Let's talk about John McCain. Donald Trump is a guy who dodged the military five times, okay? And say what you want about John McCain, but he did serve this country honorably. Okay. Donald Trump said he didn't respect him because he was captured. Again, I'm not a fan.

[Moderate Republican]

Another tactless joke.

[Brian Shapiro]

It's just, it seems like jokes.

[Moderate Republican]

He's just not the best comedian, is what it sounds like. You kind of have. The biggest problem with is that he says things that he thinks are funny. And I really, truly do believe that he thinks they are funny.

[Brian Shapiro]

I'm glad you said that.

[Moderate Republican]

Are absolutely hilarious.

[Brian Shapiro]

Okay, well, nothing I said, I think

[Moderate Republican]

is stand up as people. Anybody who knows who's been done stand up or anything, you know, that you're going to take your chances with.

[Brian Shapiro]

Hey, so big swing here.

[Moderate Republican]

Big swing.

[Brian Shapiro]

Here's the. Okay, Joe, so here's what I would say to that. Donald Trump is not a guy performing at Laugh Factory tonight. He's the President of the United States. He's supposed to be the leader of the free world. Even if he thinks it's funny, which I think is repulsive, you're supposed to be a leader. There is nothing funny. And it's not. Oh, he was just making a bad joke. No. When you laugh and make jokes about death, you are morally repugnant. When you're the President of the United States, you're not some Guy making a couple hundred bucks doing stand up comedy somewhere. That would be bad enough.

[Moderate Republican]

Well, then apparently there's a lot of morally bankrupt comedians out there, because half of.

[Brian Shapiro]

But Don, that's my whole point is about Joe. That's my whole point.

[Moderate Republican]

My whole point that Donald Trump is a person person, just like you and me. I'm not saying that everything he does is perfect, but he has one of the hardest jobs in the world as the president, and we don't know what it's like to be in that.

[Brian Shapiro]

Not an excuse to make jokes about people dying. And I, I make the same point I made before. Different standards. Different standards for different people. You have a comedian that you might think a joke is inappropriate. I called out Pete Davidson today on the air. I thought the joke he made about Charlie Kirk was wrong. But here's the difference. Davidson's not the President of the United States. Donald Trump is the leader of the free world. The two don't equal each other. Comedian, leader of the free world.

[Moderate Republican]

That's why I think it's. What, it's important what he says and what he does.

[Brian Shapiro]

I think they're both important.

[Independent Commentator]

I agree.

[Brian Shapiro]

Thank you. We agree on something. Thanks, Joe. Thank you. Appreciate it. All right. I can't say I'm a fan of your shirt. It's difficult to look at, but that's okay. All right, so obviously I've made my cases. Why I believe Trump is morally bankrupt. Where am I wrong? Yeah.

[Trump Supporter 1]

So look, here's the thing. So I do think, I don't think Trump's a saint. I think every single person will agree that probably even his own kids. But the, the, the premise that he's morally bankrupt means that he has, in my view, that means someone has no morals. Right. And I would say that that's an extreme way to, to call him because there's so many cases of people saying that Trump is such a generous person behind closed doors. He's helped people pay for cancer treatments. He's helped veterans with treatments. He's paid for people's mortgages over the years. There's literally like, if you were to Google it, there's thousands of people that have said that he was very generous to them. Even people on the other side that don't like him. Bill Maher, for example, went to the White House. Bill Maher was very thankful.

[Brian Shapiro]

Yeah. Can I talk about that? Can we talk about Bill Maher?

[Trump Supporter 1]

Yeah, just let me finish.

[Brian Shapiro]

Finish that a little bit. Go ahead.

[Trump Supporter 1]

So Bill Maher has said this. A lot of Democratic people on the Other side have said that he's very warm, he's very friendly in person. He's very charismatic. One last point. Amy Guthrie, the. Are you familiar with. I'm sure most of you guys know her mother went missing. Amy Guthrie is. Is a known Democratic. She's on that side. I would argue that Trump went above and beyond to get FBI to get all the resources to help her out. If he truly was morally bankrupt, I don't think he would be helping anyone on the other side. I don't think he would have called her. I don't. There's a lot of cases of Trump calling people, checking on them when they're in the hospital, when they're dying of cancer. Representative Steve Scalise, for example, when he got shot, Trump checked on him. They said for months he would call every single day. So to make the argument that he's morally bankrupt, I think is not fair. Also, his kids. Not only is a person. You can't just judge a person on them. Also their kids as well, because they're a reflection. A lot of people have said really good things about Eric Trump, about Ivanka, all the charity they've done.

[Brian Shapiro]

You mean the money they stole from their church?

[Trump Supporter 1]

Trump has done a lot of charity. There's a lot of people that have said many good things.

[Brian Shapiro]

You're throwing a lot at me. So let me. Let me. Yeah, yeah. Let me just.

[Trump Supporter 1]

You threw a lot at the first guy. I did. But.

[Brian Shapiro]

But let me. Okay, so. So let me just go through.

[Trump Supporter 1]

So I don't think someone.

[Brian Shapiro]

Let me do the.

[Trump Supporter 1]

I don't think someone can be morally bankrupt and do all those great things that I hope you won't ignore brush over, because they did happen.

[Brian Shapiro]

So let me try to go through the list here, because I tried to write down as much stuff as possible. Let's start with Bill Maher. First of all, Bill Maher had dinner with Donald Trump for two and a half hours. Just because somebody treats somebody nice for two and a half hours doesn't mean they have great morals.

[Trump Supporter 1]

Let me just finish the same thing.

[Brian Shapiro]

Let me. Let me just finish. I don't care what Bill Gates or Bill.

[Trump Supporter 1]

There's a lot of people.

[Brian Shapiro]

Okay, hold on. Just because somebody treats you nice. I had a lot of people at Amfest that treated me nice.

[Trump Supporter 1]

Yeah.

[Brian Shapiro]

Does that mean I fell in love with everybody there?

[Trump Supporter 1]

You think they're morally bankrupt?

[Brian Shapiro]

Hold on. Let me. Let me just finish. I'm just making the point to you that just because Bill Maher spends two and a half hours with a Guy. And by the way, these days I don't think Bill Maher has any fucking credibility. He was mad that. Hold on, hold on. Let me just finish. Hold on. You got. Let me finish. I'm giving you my reason why. He has Steve Fetterman on his show who can't put two sentences together, doesn't challenge him on anything. He has Beetlejuice, Lauren Boebert on his show.

[Trump Supporter 1]

Doesn't Bill Maher.

[Brian Shapiro]

Yeah, he has Boebert on his show. Usually he's high on these shows, but it doesn't matter. But the point I'm making is he has election deniers on his show and lunatics on the right and idiots like Fetterman. Yes, I do think Fetterman's an idiot. He doesn't challenge them on anything anymore. You know why he did that? You know why he challenges the Democrats, treated me nice for two and a half hours. You know why he did that?

[Trump Supporter 1]

Why?

[Brian Shapiro]

Rating clicks. To get more people on the right to come on his show.

[Trump Supporter 1]

Now, you know that for a fact or that's just speculative.

[Brian Shapiro]

Well, why do you think he changed his tune a little bit? And why do you think he doesn't challenge MAGA Republicans like he used to?

[Trump Supporter 1]

But it's speculative, right? Well, we should agree it's speculative.

[Brian Shapiro]

Hold on. No, I don't. I disagree. Why. But so, so that's the Bill Maher thing. We can agree.

[Trump Supporter 1]

My issue is that there's hundreds of people on the.

[Brian Shapiro]

I will get to that. I will get to that.

[Trump Supporter 1]

Given Trump credit for that.

[Brian Shapiro]

Okay, so how can you give me one prominent Democrat?

[Trump Supporter 1]

You honestly say that? Okay, completely morally, I'm going through the list for thousands.

[Brian Shapiro]

Yeah, I already heard you say that. Let me go through the list.

[Trump Supporter 1]

He's employed tens of thousands of people,

[Brian Shapiro]

including, again, again, including undocumented people. Probably don't talk about that. Okay, but hold on, hold on.

[Trump Supporter 1]

He used to be a Democrat.

[Brian Shapiro]

Let me go through the list here. I mentioned Bill Maher and I just think there's no credibility there.

[Trump Supporter 1]

This is one guy of many.

[Brian Shapiro]

This. Well, I'm just going through the list of the things you said to defend it. You said he went to the FBI and went above and beyond to help the Guthrie family, right?

[Trump Supporter 1]

Yeah, he did.

[Brian Shapiro]

He also has gone to the FBI and gone above and beyond to punish some of his political opponents. So if you're going to make the argument.

[Trump Supporter 1]

Hold on. What about the previous doj?

[Brian Shapiro]

Hold on, hold on. We can talk about. Hold on.

[Trump Supporter 1]

His whole.

[Brian Shapiro]

What about. What about, what about this prompt is about Donald Trump. I'm happy to have a conversation with you about Joe Biden.

[Trump Supporter 1]

Be fair.

[Brian Shapiro]

And I'm just saying be reasonable. And I'm just being reasonable.

[Trump Supporter 1]

Reasonable.

[Brian Shapiro]

And I'm just being reasonable. Both sides use law, but this debate and this prompt is not about Democrats. It's about Donald Trump. Hold on.

[Trump Supporter 1]

Morally bankrupt. Someone has no.

[Brian Shapiro]

You're giving me.

[Trump Supporter 1]

They have zero morals.

[Brian Shapiro]

You're giving me a list of why

[Trump Supporter 1]

can you make a case that Trump has zero morals?

[Brian Shapiro]

Well, I think I've already done that.

[Trump Supporter 1]

Is there a percentage of him that maybe there is more.

[Brian Shapiro]

What would you say about somebody who protects pedophiles?

[Trump Supporter 1]

I don't know. I mean, I don't think he's protecting pedophiles.

[Brian Shapiro]

You don't?

[Trump Supporter 1]

No, I don't.

[Brian Shapiro]

Why is Maxwell in prison right now and in a, in a Club Med?

[Trump Supporter 1]

Well, she's in prison, right?

[Brian Shapiro]

Club Med facility. In prison, yeah, but they moved her to a high security. Hold on.

[Trump Supporter 1]

Who's they, though? Trump doesn't give it.

[Brian Shapiro]

The thing is, you don't. Wait, hold on, hold on. Trump doesn't give those commands.

[Trump Supporter 1]

Doesn't give the direct orders.

[Brian Shapiro]

He doesn't of what it. So who told Todd. Who told Todd Blanche?

[Trump Supporter 1]

He does not give. Okay, Trump, wait. This is a very important point that I want to make. Trump is the President of the United States. He does not give direct orders to federal judges. What is going to be done with prisoners?

[Brian Shapiro]

Who. Let's talk about that. Let's talk about that.

[Trump Supporter 1]

If he loves them so much, why didn't do it?

[Brian Shapiro]

Who told Donald Trump's former personal attorney, Todd Blanche to go interview Gizanne Maxwell? And why is it two days later, after that interview, she was transferred to a Club Med facility?

[Trump Supporter 1]

As far as I'm concerned, who told

[Brian Shapiro]

Todd Blanche to do that?

[Trump Supporter 1]

That's doj.

[Trump Supporter 2]

See?

[Brian Shapiro]

You don't think Trump had anything to do with that?

[Trump Supporter 1]

Well, Pam Bondi was the boss of Todd Blanche at the time.

[Brian Shapiro]

You don't think Trump had anything to do with that?

[Trump Supporter 1]

I don't know. My point is you're just.

[Brian Shapiro]

That's expected intellectually.

[Trump Supporter 1]

My point. My point. Well, neither are you when you, you

[Brian Shapiro]

say he won't rule out a pardon for her.

[Trump Supporter 1]

Neither are you being morally intellectual when you won't acknowledge that Trump has done good and that he's not completely.

[Brian Shapiro]

I never said, I never said that.

[Trump Supporter 1]

You haven't acknowledged the good times he's ever done.

[Brian Shapiro]

I'll acknowledge it.

[Trump Supporter 1]

Okay.

[Brian Shapiro]

I'm sure in Donald Trump's life, he's Done some good things. I've never said otherwise. Okay. Just because somebody in their life does some or many good things doesn't mean that he's a morally good man.

[Trump Supporter 1]

But I didn't say that, though. You're saying that he's morally bankrupt.

[Disillusioned Voter]

Absolutely.

[Brian Shapiro]

I've given you a lot of reasons for that.

[Trump Supporter 1]

Zero morals. And what I'm saying to you is, though, his sex life might have been complicated and it's not.

[Brian Shapiro]

No, that's not. You're mischaracterizing.

[Trump Supporter 1]

He's also done a lot of good.

[Brian Shapiro]

Hold on a second. I never said he's morally bankrupt because of his sex life.

[Trump Supporter 1]

Most of the examples you listed were either sex life or common sex life on Twitter.

[Brian Shapiro]

Sex life would mean. Which he's going out with a lot of different women.

[Trump Supporter 1]

Ask you a question.

[Brian Shapiro]

Hold on a second.

[Trump Supporter 1]

You brought up the tweets.

[Brian Shapiro]

Well, hold on. Let's. Sex life.

[Trump Supporter 1]

You brought up the tweets with Robert Mueller. How many Democrat. How many people on the Democratic side have said really nasty things? You have Jimmy Kimmel. You have all these people.

[Brian Shapiro]

I'm talking about elected officials, not a comedian.

[Trump Supporter 1]

That doesn't get addressed.

[Brian Shapiro]

Hold on, hold on. We are talking about elected officials. So if you want to talk about. Hold on. Name me one elected official on the left, for example, that was celebrating the murder of Charlie Kirk or an assassination attempt on Donald Trump. Can you name me one?

[Trump Supporter 1]

Yeah, there was aoc.

[Brian Shapiro]

What did she say about Charlie Kirk?

[Trump Supporter 1]

She made. She made tweets, basically insinuating that we have to stand up for. Even if that means violence. What's the other lady.

[Brian Shapiro]

Hold on. Let's stick with. Hold on.

[Trump Supporter 1]

Just trying to think one at a time.

[Brian Shapiro]

Hold on.

[Trump Supporter 1]

Maxine Waters.

[Brian Shapiro]

Hold on. One at a time.

[Trump Supporter 1]

Maxine Waters.

[Brian Shapiro]

What did she say about Charlie Kirk?

[Trump Supporter 1]

Publicly said over and over that we need to stand up and use violence. If it's.

[Brian Shapiro]

Hold on, you're not listening to my question. You're not listening to my question.

[Trump Supporter 1]

There's many different.

[Brian Shapiro]

Listen to my question.

[Trump Supporter 1]

Many Democratic.

[Brian Shapiro]

Okay, you can say many, but we're going to be specific here.

[Trump Supporter 1]

And influence.

[Brian Shapiro]

Wait, you got to listen to my question. You're not answering my question. Name me one elected official on the left.

[Trump Supporter 1]

Maxine Water.

[Brian Shapiro]

No, you're not letting me finish. And by the way, she didn't. But we can get. She actually does celebrated the death of Charlie Kirk. Give me one.

[Trump Supporter 1]

I didn't say she celebrated it.

[Brian Shapiro]

Okay.

[Trump Supporter 1]

She said.

[Brian Shapiro]

And what did she say?

[Trump Supporter 1]

A lot of elected officials.

[Brian Shapiro]

She said be confrontation.

[Trump Supporter 1]

A lot of elected officials on the left hand have called for doing whatever it takes to get Trump out. Whether that's law, whether that's violence.

[Brian Shapiro]

Name me one person. Give me the quote. What did she say?

[Trump Supporter 1]

She went on Twitter. She also made a video. What did she say specifically in a video? That she said that we have to stand up against Trump. Even violence is involved.

[Brian Shapiro]

No, she never said that. You're a liar. No, you are wrong. I will pay you and I will eat my own. No, I will pay you. I'll make a thousand dollar bet with you right now that Maxine Waters never condoned violence.

[Trump Supporter 1]

Did Trump call for your lie? What you just said is wrong. You're lying.

[Brian Shapiro]

You can't just say whenever Trump was

[Trump Supporter 1]

happy that Robert Mueller died, was that him calling for violence?

[Brian Shapiro]

Why are you changing the subject?

[Trump Supporter 1]

No, I'm just answer the question.

[Brian Shapiro]

No, you didn't answer mine.

[Trump Supporter 1]

He didn't call.

[Brian Shapiro]

Hold on a second. You didn't answer my call. Hold on.

[Trump Supporter 1]

Did not call for violence.

[Brian Shapiro]

Hold on. You just.

[Trump Supporter 1]

He was happy that someone that he disliked.

[Brian Shapiro]

This is important. You just said, if Adolf Hitler died,

[Trump Supporter 1]

I would be happy, too.

[Brian Shapiro]

Hold on. You just. I just said name me. I asked you a question and it was very specific and you're wrong. You just lied about her quote. She never. I, I don't need to Google it because I know the quote you're talking about. You Google it.

[Trump Supporter 1]

I just made Democrats, politicians that have called for violence.

[Brian Shapiro]

And you're listening and you're wrong.

[Disillusioned Voter]

You're wrong.

[Brian Shapiro]

Well, listen, dude, we can disagree on that, but it's not about disagreement. You're just making up.

[Trump Supporter 1]

Let's talk about morally bankrupt. Right? So you have the Clinton Foundation.

[Brian Shapiro]

So we're talking about the Clintons.

[Trump Supporter 1]

Yeah, yeah.

[Brian Shapiro]

You don't want to talk about Trump. No, I will prompt about the Clinton. I don't defend the Clinton. No, let me be very clear. Let me be very clear. No, we're going to end this right now about Trump.

[Trump Supporter 1]

Trump was.

[Brian Shapiro]

No, we're going to end this right now about Clinton. Can I talk to you about Clinton? Because we're going to end your talking points right here. No, listen to me. I believe Bill Clinton did some horrible things to win. I have gone on national networks. No, no, but here's the difference between you and me. I don't defend Bill Clinton, okay? Even though he was a fiscally responsible president. I'm not going to sit here like you and you think he was morally bankrupt. Yes, I do.

[Trump Supporter 1]

Okay.

[Brian Shapiro]

But unlike you. Oh, wait a second.

[Trump Supporter 1]

Do you Think.

[Brian Shapiro]

Wait a second, Wait a second. Unlike you, I'm able to look you in the face right now as a man and say, I believe Bill Clinton did some horrible things. You are not willing to sit here and say the same about Donald Trump because you're in a fucking.

[Trump Supporter 1]

I actually do think you're in a cult.

[Brian Shapiro]

You're a cultist.

[Trump Supporter 1]

I do. Wait, let me talk.

[Brian Shapiro]

Is Trump morally bankrupt at all? Yes.

[Trump Supporter 1]

I don't think he's morally bankrupt. I do think that he's done things that weren't good. And as a Christian, there's things I don't.

[Brian Shapiro]

Obviously not good or really bad things

[Trump Supporter 1]

that could be really bad. But I think since, I think since he's been in office, I don't, I don't think he's displayed the same character that he did maybe when he was a billionaire in New York when he was hanging out with tons, tons of women. But I also think it's hypocritical to say that he's morally bankrupt when he's helped thousands of people. He's very generous. There's a lot of people that have a lot of good things, including people on your side of the aisle to, to say positive things about him who

[Brian Shapiro]

said he's a great guy.

[Trump Supporter 1]

If you look at, if you look at something else, he doesn't take the presidential salary. He was, he was. Wait, wait, wait. He was already wealthy before he got in. If you look at Clinton, they were negative 200k after they were worth 200 million. You look at Obama when he got in. He was middle class.

[Brian Shapiro]

All right, I'll end by saying he's worth over.

[Trump Supporter 1]

I'll end by 50 million.

[Brian Shapiro]

I'll end by saying this. And by the way, this is a fact. Hold on. I'm not defending Nancy Pelosi.

[Trump Supporter 1]

This point is there.

[Brian Shapiro]

Hold on, hold on.

[Trump Supporter 1]

Politicians no. Have moral problems.

[Brian Shapiro]

You just said he doesn't accept, which. Hold on. You got to let me finish.

[Trump Supporter 1]

Politician in your got to.

[Brian Shapiro]

You got to let me respond to what you just said. You got to let me respond to what you just said. You got to let me respond to

[Pro-Choice Advocate]

what you just said.

[Brian Shapiro]

You've been interrupting a lot. I didn't interrupt you.

[Trump Supporter 1]

Yeah, I just.

[Brian Shapiro]

You just brag. I understand. You just bragged or made a claim. Well, Donald Trump, he doesn't accept his $400,000 a year salary, by the way,

[Trump Supporter 1]

which he hasn't done his first term either.

[Brian Shapiro]

You can now, you can use your Google or maybe your Trump phone, which you never got, but I didn't order one. Okay. You're one of the smarter ones, I guess.

[Trump Supporter 1]

Yeah.

[Brian Shapiro]

Donald Trump, combined, of all the presidents in the history of this country, has made more money as president than any of those other presidents. Hold on. Him? Yes. When he's president? Yes.

[Trump Supporter 1]

Him personally?

[Brian Shapiro]

Yes. Okay, you can look that up and you can Google it. There is. Literally. I'm not saying there isn't corruption with other people. Of course there is.

[Trump Supporter 1]

My point is they.

[Brian Shapiro]

My point. My point is there's no comparison.

[Trump Supporter 1]

Look, my point is just be fair. All these politicians on the left and right have morality problems, in my opinion. You look at what happened with Swalwell

[Brian Shapiro]

just recently, and unlike you, I called that out immediately and I told him to step down.

[Trump Supporter 1]

I actually do think that you don't

[Brian Shapiro]

want Donald Trump to step down. You voted for him. I would never want him to step

[Trump Supporter 1]

down because of things he did in his sex life or tweets that he.

[Brian Shapiro]

So you think Swalwell should have stayed in office?

[Trump Supporter 1]

I never said that. When did I say that?

[Brian Shapiro]

But Donald Trump can stay in office and be president. Do you see different standards for different people? Now, wait, you brought up Swalwell, not me. That's second all stuff came out about Swalwell. I immediately said he needs to step down and he is a scumbag.

[Trump Supporter 1]

But there's actually evidence of it.

[Brian Shapiro]

Oh, there's no evidence. There's no evidence.

[Trump Supporter 1]

There's no evidence that he raped anyone. No.

[Brian Shapiro]

Okay, let's stop. We can talk about that.

[Trump Supporter 1]

You can, you could say, you could say a court ruling, but I will also say this. Courts also make mistakes.

[Brian Shapiro]

Okay, so they made a mistake.

[Trump Supporter 1]

That was Nelson Mandela.

[Brian Shapiro]

Should he have been in. So there's a difference.

[Trump Supporter 1]

Just because of South Africa.

[Brian Shapiro]

So we can. So if you disagree with. So if you disagree with the Eugene Carroll case, obviously I would disagree with you on that. But there's a little bit more at home.

[Trump Supporter 1]

I'm saying is allegations don't mean that.

[Pro-Choice Advocate]

Okay.

[Brian Shapiro]

Allegations, allegations, allegations.

[Trump Supporter 1]

There's a lot of people that don't want Trump in office, so yes, they're going to pay.

[Brian Shapiro]

So you're an evidence. So you're an evidence based person. By the way, I would disagree with you on that. I think there's a pile of evidence that Donald Trump probably did some horrible

[Trump Supporter 1]

things he could have. But there's no evidence.

[Brian Shapiro]

Who want a free and fair election in 2020. Since you're such an evidence based person who won the 2020 election. Free and fair.

[Trump Supporter 1]

I honestly don't know.

[Brian Shapiro]

You honestly don't I don't know. So you claim that you're an evidence based person, yet there is zero evidence of widespread voter fraud that we've seen in six years. Yet when I ask you who won a free and fair election in 2020, you say, I don't know. So your entire argument goes out the fucking window because you can't admit that Joe Biden went free and fair election.

[Trump Supporter 1]

I don't trust either side at this point, so I don't. I don't honestly know.

[Brian Shapiro]

All right, thank you. All right, thank you. I better not piss you off because you look like you would fucking kick my ass.

[Marine Veteran]

I have the ability to make violence happen, but I'm a pacifist.

[Brian Shapiro]

I'm glad to hear that. You don't look like a guy I want to mess with. All right, so obviously you know the prompt. I believe Donald Trump is morally bankrupt. What are your thoughts?

[Marine Veteran]

Yes. So I'd like to establish a couple things here before we get started. And me going forward in this conversation with you, I want you to realize, I don't want you to take anything that I'm saying is an attack on you personally. I actually think we might be able to find some common ground.

[Brian Shapiro]

I hope we do.

[Marine Veteran]

One item. Just one, probably just one, hopefully.

[Brian Shapiro]

Okay.

[Marine Veteran]

That's the intent. So I have a couple of questions for you. Do you have a lot of experience with women?

[Brian Shapiro]

What do you mean by experience?

[Marine Veteran]

Do you have a lot of dating experience, relationship experience?

[Brian Shapiro]

I mean, I'm 46 years old, so I would say probably I've never been married before I was engaged. I mean, I've never been accused of for sexual assault, if that's what you're about to ask me next, because I've never or sexually assaulted anybody. I've never been found liable for sexual abuse. I've never had a woman that has accused me of. So, yeah, I've never been married before. I'm not a perfect person. But as far as that's concerned, yeah, I would say I have some experience, yeah.

[Marine Veteran]

Okay. So it's fair to say you have some limited experience. Not too much. Now, statistics say one in four women here in America during their lifetime experience some form of sexual abuse. And being factored in those statistics as well, I think we could both agree any form of sexual abuse, especially against a woman, is one of the most heinous and disgusting crimes that could possibly be committed.

[Brian Shapiro]

We agree, of course.

[Marine Veteran]

Do you believe women have the capacity to lie about being raped?

[Brian Shapiro]

It's happened in the past. I could go to the Duke Lacrosse story, which was a very big story. A woman who was very disturbed. So, absolutely, it certainly does happen. But I will also tell you that I tend to, most of the time, believe victims unless they give me a reason not to. We could be talking about. We could be talking about everything. I'll be the first one to admit that Jussie Smollett stuff, while that wasn't a sexual assault, I think most of us, not all of us, but most of us, when we saw that story, we thought it was true. And then we learned he's a scumbag, he lied. Are there situations where women could lie? Absolutely. I tend to believe most victims when they claim they're victims, unless they give me a reason not to. But I'm not. It'd be disingenuous for me to say that doesn't happen. I've talked about stories where it has happened.

[Marine Veteran]

So of course, I would say what you just said about leaning towards believing right off the bat. I believe that's a problem within itself. And before you respond, I'd like to ask you another question.

[Brian Shapiro]

Sure.

[Marine Veteran]

Do you understand the difference between a criminal court proceeding and a civil court?

[Brian Shapiro]

Absolutely. I know there's a lower threshold, but. But as you know, I haven't just made.

[Marine Veteran]

Let's identify that real quick. So a criminal proceeding, in order to make a conviction happen, the evidence must show beyond the shadow of a doubt. Now, of course, like Alan had mentioned previously, the system is flawed. There are so many wrongfully convicted people in this country now in a civil court proceeding, even if it's a restraining order.

[Brian Shapiro]

Yeah.

[Marine Veteran]

Still civil, that is, by preponderance of the evidence, 50% of more.

[Brian Shapiro]

Correct.

[Marine Veteran]

Very low burden of proof.

[Brian Shapiro]

Understood.

[Marine Veteran]

Most civil court proceedings don't even go

[Brian Shapiro]

in front of the argument. You're.

[Marine Veteran]

No, I'm getting.

[Brian Shapiro]

I understand what you're trying to say. So, yeah.

[Marine Veteran]

The basis for your argument that Trump is morally bankrupt, you keep referring to the sexual assault allegations.

[Brian Shapiro]

I've referred to a lot of things. That's one of many. Yep.

[Marine Veteran]

That was what you started off with.

[Brian Shapiro]

Right. But I've named a lot of. I've named a lot of.

[Marine Veteran]

Seem to be the consistent trend throughout these conversations.

[Brian Shapiro]

It's one of many.

[Marine Veteran]

Now, what do you think should happen if a man is falsely accused and it comes out in court that indeed he was?

[Brian Shapiro]

I believe if. If. If it's proven in a court of law and I'm going to go back to the Duke lacrosse case, then I believe that's a very serious crime. Now, let me just Respond to some of the things that you've said. We're not just talking about one liable sexual abuse case. We're also talking about 30 women, including his ex wife, that was under deposition that claimed that he raped her. Then all of a sudden those claims went away when he paid her off. There are a lot of women that have accused him of sexual assault or way before he went into public life, running for president as a politician. There are a lot of billionaires in this country that have never been accused of for sexual assault. So I don't want to hear, I'm not saying you said this, but just because somebody has money doesn't necessarily mean that there's going to be all these women that are going to make claims. I also go by the things he says, his behaviors, the things he does. I do believe there's a lot of circumstantial evidence as well, including being the best friend of one of the biggest sex traffickers on the planet for over 10 years. The parties that he went to, the women he was around. So it's not just about being a pig and being a serial cheater. I do believe he did some awful things. In the Epstein files, there's an, I believe an 11 year old girl at the time that claimed that he raped her, that he, you know, and the FBI thought it was credible enough that they interviewed her. Why that can, why it wasn't investigated further, I don't know. So I look at somebody's history, right? If nobody. Joe Biden is a perfect example. There was one woman that came forward that claimed that Joe Biden sexually abused her. She changed her story four or five times his entire life. Nobody has accused him of that before. And I don't say I don't find her credible because Joe Biden is a Democrat. I think Swalwell probably did some horrible things to women. I mentioned Bill Clinton. Anthony Weiner is a scumbag. He's done my show a couple times. He's a freak. I don't think Republican or Democrat doesn't have anything to do with it. For me, I understand that. Criminal. And then there's civil libel, lower threshold. I understand the point you're making, but it doesn't change my opinion on Trump's history. All the women that have come forward,

[Marine Veteran]

that right there, your opinion. Exactly what you said. That's all it is, is your opinion and that's fair for you.

[Brian Shapiro]

Was he not found liable?

[Marine Veteran]

That is fair for you to have your opinion. Now he was found liable in what setting?

[Brian Shapiro]

It was in New York City, Right? Yep.

[Marine Veteran]

Civil.

[Brian Shapiro]

Yeah, I understand. Yeah.

[Marine Veteran]

By preponderance of the evidence.

[Brian Shapiro]

So, again, evidence that we haven't.

[Marine Veteran]

Hasn't been criminally convicted.

[Brian Shapiro]

I never said he was. Here, here.

[Marine Veteran]

Here's the problem with.

[Brian Shapiro]

He was criminally convicted for other things.

[Marine Veteran]

This is my problem with you leading with that argument.

[Trump Supporter 1]

Right.

[Marine Veteran]

I understand your distaste for Trump. That's perfectly fine. But the way that you present your argument specifically within that subject is damaging, I would say.

[Brian Shapiro]

I think his behavior is damaging. I think the way he treats women is damaging.

[Marine Veteran]

I understand.

[Brian Shapiro]

I think talking about grabbing women by the. Is damaging.

[Marine Veteran]

I. I understand.

[Brian Shapiro]

More damaging than anything I've said in this.

[Marine Veteran]

I understand that. But I want to get something clear to you. This is where I hope we could come to an agreement with this topic. In particular, I would argue that there is probably a similar amount of men in this country who are falsely accused.

[Brian Shapiro]

I would disagree with that. I would disagree.

[Marine Veteran]

100. Now, even if it's not the same, maybe it's a little bit off. Regardless, it is a huge problem because we've already identified there is an issue in this country with women being sexually assaulted and women being one in four. That is a terrible statistic. Let me finish. That's a terrible statistic. You know what hurts those women even more so when other women falsely accuse men knowingly and everyone jumps.

[Brian Shapiro]

Have you ever had that happen to you?

[Marine Veteran]

Yes, I have.

[Brian Shapiro]

Okay. I kind of got that sense. So not just me.

[Marine Veteran]

Not just me. Ton of people. I served in the Marine Corps.

[Brian Shapiro]

Yes.

[Marine Veteran]

Ten years. You know how many Marines that I served with had their entire lives ruined because of false accusations?

[Brian Shapiro]

That's horrible. Absolutely horrible.

[Marine Veteran]

And you know what it does. Those false accusations that we as a society allow women to get away with, it actually disenfranchises real victims of sexual assault. For you, for you to come on here and leading with that argument when there hasn't been a clear conviction. We haven't seen the evidence. You acknowledge that yourself.

[Brian Shapiro]

So what?

[Marine Veteran]

That does.

[Brian Shapiro]

So let me respond.

[Marine Veteran]

Franchises.

[Brian Shapiro]

Yeah.

[Marine Veteran]

Real victims. Not only does your argument disenfranchise women who have been victimized, it disenfranchises all the men in this room, including yourself. Including yourself.

[Brian Shapiro]

So let me ask you a question. Let me ask you a question. Okay, but you gotta let me finish, man. You're filibustering. You gotta let me finish.

[Anti-War Advocate]

I'm not done.

[Brian Shapiro]

You're not letting me talk. Claim to be.

[Marine Veteran]

You claim that Trump is morally bankrupt.

[Brian Shapiro]

Absolutely.

[Marine Veteran]

That being your primary premises.

[Brian Shapiro]

I have about a hundred Other things that I mentioned. You're focusing on one thing.

[Marine Veteran]

If you cannot acknowledge the way you went about that argument is damaging to both sides, then I would say you were the one that's morally bankrupt.

[Brian Shapiro]

Okay, so you gotta let me respond, bro. No, you gotta let me respond. Okay, well, first of all, I do. I disagree with you. I didn't interrupt you. So now let me ask you a question. When a woman. And I'm. I'm sorry that happened to you, A woman falsely accused you of. Did you file a defamation lawsuit? Did you hire an attorney? Did you go after her in any way, shape or form? And I'm sorry that happened to you, by the way. That's horrible. Did you go after her in any way?

[Marine Veteran]

See, it's complicated. So for the security of my children. Because it does involve the other side there. I can't answer that.

[Brian Shapiro]

Okay. I can tell you that if a woman accused me of, the first thing that I would do is I would go after them if it wasn't true.

[Marine Veteran]

Of course.

[Brian Shapiro]

I'm sorry. That.

[Marine Veteran]

Here's.

[Brian Shapiro]

Hold on. Let me just talk about Trump now. Let me just talk about Trump.

[Marine Veteran]

Well, you got a second? Because this is an important point, and I want you to understand this, too. So hopefully you can lead these conversations in a different way moving forward. You mentioned the civil process of suing someone. Making a false accusation. You know how much that costs?

[Brian Shapiro]

It can be expensive.

[Marine Veteran]

Hundreds of thousands of dollars a typical.

[Brian Shapiro]

I don't think it's that much defamation case, but if you can prove damages,

[Marine Veteran]

you think the average man in this

[Brian Shapiro]

country, Donald Trump, is not the average man?

[Trump Supporter 1]

No.

[Brian Shapiro]

So hold on. You're making my point for me. You're making my point for me. Okay. Okay. So let me just respond to everything you just said. Okay? You're making my point for me. I agree with you. There are some people in this country that can't afford representation. Guess who can. His name is Donald J. Trump. He's had over 30 women that have accused him of rape or sexual assault. He hasn't. And by the way, this guy threatens to sue somebody if they call him an orange orangutan. He actually filed a lawsuit against Bill Maher for calling him an orange orangutan. He hasn't gone after legally for defamation, any of these women. And I will tell you why. Because he doesn't want fucking discovery. That's why. Now let me go through this list. Hold on, hold on, hold on. Let me just finish. Please, let me just finish. Please let me finish. Because. Because we don't have any court records showing that he filed any civil suits against any of these women. Now, let me.

[Anti-War Advocate]

Hold on.

[Disillusioned Voter]

There could be.

[Brian Shapiro]

Let me give you the list.

[Marine Veteran]

Circumstances.

[Brian Shapiro]

Hold on.

[Marine Veteran]

Why?

[Brian Shapiro]

There's no record. There's no public record of it.

[Marine Veteran]

Here's the.

[Brian Shapiro]

Hold on. Dude, you gotta let me finish. I only spoke for like 20 seconds. Dude, dude, I gotta respond to you where you're. Okay, hold on. Respectfully, just give me a minute.

[Marine Veteran]

Isn't it interesting to see that men in particular who are wealthy, who are in the public eye, who have abundance of access to women all the time, hundreds of different women flocking over to these men because of their wealth and status.

[Brian Shapiro]

So Harvey Weinstein's not a rapist. That Bill Cosby is not a rapist.

[Marine Veteran]

Talking about these specific examples, of course,

[Brian Shapiro]

don't use the excuse of money. That's ridiculous.

[Marine Veteran]

Some of these people.

[Brian Shapiro]

Hold on, let me just. Can commit, my friend. Let me just. Let me just.

[Marine Veteran]

I'm not. I'm not trying to discredit that by any means.

[Brian Shapiro]

I understand. Let me just respond.

[Marine Veteran]

There is a trend here that needs to be acknowledged.

[Brian Shapiro]

Let's talk about.

[Marine Veteran]

A trend is much more common.

[Brian Shapiro]

Okay?

[Marine Veteran]

For those people. Let's have that influence.

[Brian Shapiro]

Hold on, Quickly.

[Marine Veteran]

Targeted by false.

[Brian Shapiro]

Quickly, let me respond. I have to respond to all the things he said because it's a lot. And I'm going to respond in this way. You mean to tell me. And I'm going to go down a little list here. The man is in The Epstein files 40,000 times. Who calls people like you and me stupid for even bringing it up. Who is protecting pedophiles right now as we speak. Who was best friends with one of the biggest sex traffickers in the world. And Jeffrey Epstein, the man whose own ex wife called him a rapist and then he paid her off to shut her up. A guy who has literally 30 women that have accused him of rape or sexual assault. Credible allegations that go way before he ever got into public office. Yes, he is a liable sexual abuser. Yes, he's had credible claims of young girls. Yes. The man who bragged about sexual assault. This is a man with a history and a pattern. It's not just about cheating on women. It's not just about paying somebody $130,000 in hush money. Okay? The fact of the matter is, is that this man has a long list of a lot of. Hold on a second. Long list. So my opinion. Hold on, let me just give you. I'll land my plane here. My opinion, okay, is the man has a history of abusing women, in my opinion. So I believe not just with the way he's treated women, the way he's fucked people over financially, his Ponzi schemes, the things he says about women, the things he says about gold star families, the things he says about POWs. It's not just about allegations that you may or may not believe. I would even put that aside for a moment and list you 100 other things that this man has said or done in his career that make him morally bankrupt. But that said, I'm sorry that that happened to you. That's horrible. And I think anybody who makes up allegations about anybody and it can be proven in a court of law, it's terrible. And I find that crime, because it is a crime.

[Pro-Choice Advocate]

Right.

[Brian Shapiro]

Just as bad as the actual crime itself, if it happened. But I appreciate it. Thank you, sir. Good. Thank you. All right, Nice to meet you. I think you know what my takes are on why I believe Trump is morally bankrupt. Why? Am I wrong? Where am I wrong?

[Independent Commentator]

So I'm actually going to shock you. I'm going to give you an admission, and I'm going to explain that admission.

[Brian Shapiro]

Okay.

[Independent Commentator]

And I actually say. I'm going to say that you've said some things where, I don't know, if you don't have the same hypocrisy that I see in the overall Democratic Party, then I actually might not have issues with your position either.

[Brian Shapiro]

Shoot it up.

[Independent Commentator]

Okay.

[Brian Shapiro]

Yeah.

[Independent Commentator]

So I do think that Trump is morally. I don't want to say bankrupt. I think, Aaron. Yeah. A bad guy. I think. I think he's low morals.

[Brian Shapiro]

Fair enough.

[Independent Commentator]

However, I think that his lack of morality solely applies to things that he did as an individual. And I think that all presidents, not just Republicans, but also Democrats and even like Kamala Harris, I think that their low morality actually applies to what they did while they were in office.

[Brian Shapiro]

So give me an example of Kamala, and I'll tell you whether I agree with you or not.

[Independent Commentator]

I love Kamala. Yeah, you missed it. So Kamala Harris, when she was the district attorney for San Francisco. You can read the motion yourself. These are not my words. District court judge eviscerated her. I mean, absolutely laid into her. And it was because she knew about exculpatory evidence. Might have been 300. It might have been like a thousand cases. And that judge literally told her that she was morally bankrupt, that she was a disgusting person, that she tried to

[Brian Shapiro]

over prosecute people that didn't deserve the sentences.

[Independent Commentator]

No, she knew about exculpatory evidence. Evidence that proves someone is innocent.

[Brian Shapiro]

Okay. And she didn't use it in a court law. And that was proven.

[Independent Commentator]

No, she. The judge. This was literally a ruling from a judge. The judge said, you knew about this evidence. It was literally your lawful duty to report it to the court, and you did not do it. Those are not my words.

[Brian Shapiro]

Those are the words for sure, that she on purpose did that or that. Did she overlook it?

[Independent Commentator]

So when you question this, I think that you have a revolving evidentiary standard. And I think that when it comes to.

[Brian Shapiro]

So if that's true, okay, what you're saying, then that's awful, and that's wrong.

[Independent Commentator]

Okay, can I finish, though? Can I get into it, though? Okay, so she did that because it's not just one thing. There's a whole slew of things that she did, what we know for a fact that she did when she was Attorney General, she defied the Supreme Court. She defied them so much that the Supreme Court said they were about to issue contempt for the state of California. It would have been the first time in California, I mean, United States Supreme Court history, that they ever put anybody or any state in contempt. Legal scholars, people who are more informed than you. And I said that she wrote motions in bad faith and were so egregious that she would be forever barred from holding a federal bench. Now, that's just the legal part. What she was defying was an order to release inmates from what had been deemed cruel and unusual conditions. Justice Kennedy, who's a conservative justice who sided with the Democrats, said that there was needless death in suffering on a weekly basis. It is absolutely egregious. It is absolutely disgusting.

[Brian Shapiro]

So do you want me to respond to that?

[Independent Commentator]

No, I just have one more. Just one more.

[Marine Veteran]

Sure.

[Independent Commentator]

So that. And then with the prosecution of One west, which I think is comical because this involves Steve Mnuchin, who would later become Trump's Treasury Secretary, she should have prosecuted One west for what they did, from filing false paperwork against people to basically take their homes back after they had to defaulted on mortgages. They asked her why there was more than enough evidence to prosecute One west and also prosecute Steve Mnuchin. And she just said, no, I'm not. I'm not prosecuting them. And George Soros is a person who put her into office. And One west was a George Soros company that literally put Steve Mnuchin in there. So this is the. I'll land my plane right now. So what I'm trying to get at is that I think that there is low morality on both sides. I think that Trump's low morality differs, that most of it can came in his individual capacity. And I don't think that that is on the same level as someone who engages in such behaviors while they're in political office that affects people over them. And it's like if you're a district attorney, if you're an attorney general and you're committing these acts, those people that you're impacting, they have no defense whatsoever. So I don't think. And this I want to get back to where I might not think you're a hypocrite. If you're willing to equally criticize both parties and say that both parties have no morality whatsoever. I can go on a list of Biden, I can go on a list of Obama. I go on a list of everyone and say that I think they have also done things that prove they are bad people. So if you're willing to criticize both parties, then I think you would agree to me that it's not the parties, it's the system that is morally bankrupt in that it rewards people, people who are bad people like Jimmy Carter. I do not agree with his economic policies. I think that he was unfairly. I think he was a fucking saint. I think he was an amazing.

[Brian Shapiro]

Let me just respond to some of the things you said because you said a lot. I don't like to take an entire party and say they're morally bankrupt. I like to take individuals. I am unaware of the topics that you are referring to. When it comes to Kamala Harris, I'm not saying it's not true. I'm just unaware of it. Here's what I do. Here's how I feel about Kamala. And by the way, I put out a video last week. I spoke with her last week for a few minutes, and after I spoke with her, I think I get the sense that she's not a bad person. But I don't want her to run again. I think she's a bad candidate. Here's what I How I do feel about Kamala. She appears to me to be a good mother. She appears to me to be a good wife. She appears to me to be a good family person. She's never been in trouble with the law before. If what you're saying is true, then I'd have to look more into that. If that is true, then it's horrible. And you shouldn't be practicing law if you're withholding evidence and that sort of behavior. I'm just unaware of it. So it's very difficult for me to comment on it if I'm unaware of it. I call out people on the left all the time. Eric Swalwell, perfect example of that. I can't stand Ilhan Omar. I can't stand Rashida Tlaib. I think they're bad people. I think Rashida Tlaib is an anti semitic piece of human scum. I think Nancy Pelosi probably committed insider trading. I don't like the Pelosi's. Even though I defended Paul Pelosi, when people are making jokes about him on the right when he was almost killed with a hammer, I can easily call, you know, we mentioned Anthony Weiner and other people. But I don't have a problem going after somebody if I think they do some horrible things, no matter what side of the aisle they're on. Even if that stuff is true about Kamala Harris. And I'll just for argument's sake say, okay, it's true. I still put Donald Trump at a higher level of corruption and a higher level of a lack of human decency. You know, so that's my personal opinion there. I disagree with you fundamentally when you say Donald Trump hasn't done anything morally corrupt when he's been in office.

[Independent Commentator]

I said most of your criticism that I heard from you. That's what I was trying to say.

[Brian Shapiro]

Okay, fair enough.

[Independent Commentator]

And the other thing too is, and I don't mean to cut you off, but I also think that he's been more in the spotlight because he gets views and he gets ratings. So I think some of what he's done is sensationalized. I understand that there's a lot of accusations against him for, and things of that nature. But you know, you could have someone else who's a billionaire and doesn't have any of those accusations. You say, okay, well they have money, so what's the difference? The difference is this person is not promiscuous. This person was not in these particular parties. And when you're more promiscuous, I mean, there's no telling how many women, 90%

[Brian Shapiro]

of those allegations though were before he ever got a into public office.

[Independent Commentator]

No, I, no, and I completely and totally get that. But nothing ever came of them because I don't think there was enough to prosecute.

[Brian Shapiro]

Well, let me ask you about that. Let me ask you about that.

[Independent Commentator]

And I, I don't really want to me, this is a mute point.

[Brian Shapiro]

No, I get that. But just quickly, in the history of the Epstein files and Jeffrey Epstein There have only been two people that have been held accountable. A plethora of children were. And sex traffic. It's horrible. We know for sure here everybody would agree there's more than two people that are responsible here. The only two people I know, there was a. There was an arrest in Great Britain. I get that. But the only two people have been held to any account at all, Jeffrey Epstein and Ghislaine Maxwell.

[Independent Commentator]

Can I ask you something about that, though?

[Brian Shapiro]

Yeah, sure.

[Independent Commentator]

So the Democrat, Biden, Kamala Harris, clearly had these files. They knew what were in them. Yeah. So were they not also.

[Brian Shapiro]

Sure, I'll answer that.

[Independent Commentator]

Let me not. Because I have not heard one Democrat who can answer that question.

[Brian Shapiro]

I'm not a Democrat, but I'll still answer.

[Independent Commentator]

Okay, sorry, I didn't mean to categorize.

[Brian Shapiro]

You're good. You're good. The overwhelming majority in the Joe Biden administration, Maxwell, was under investigation. Then we had a trial, then we had an appeal. Now, with that being said, though, those documents were sealed. If a Democrat ever had the opportunity, if to release the files, it could be Joe Biden, Kamala Harris, Bill Clinton, Barack Obama, and they didn't, then I would absolutely hold them equally responsible.

[Independent Commentator]

So you don't think they knew what was inside of them because they were sealed?

[Brian Shapiro]

I don't know. I don't know the answer to that question. I know that if they are sealed,

[Independent Commentator]

I'm just telling you how things happen.

[Brian Shapiro]

I don't know. I think there's a lot of powerful people out there in that. In those files on the left and the right. And I think a lot of people.

[Independent Commentator]

I think that's what it is.

[Brian Shapiro]

I. But I will say this. Under Joe Biden, Maxwell, you know, was charged, convicted.

[Independent Commentator]

I like. I get that. But the reality is, is that if Kamala Harris really wanted to win the presidency and she knew about those files, she would have used that left and right. That would have been the only talk.

[Brian Shapiro]

Well, if there's any Democrat that had the opportunity to release them, they didn't. Then I would hold them equ. Responsible. What I do know.

[Independent Commentator]

I appreciate that.

[Brian Shapiro]

What I do know is that Donald Trump is the president right now, and he's done everything in his power for us not to talk.

[Independent Commentator]

And here's what I want to get at, too. And I want to say that I blame the Democrats for Donald Trump. And the reason why is, yeah, to

[Brian Shapiro]

an extent, I think that's fair.

[Independent Commentator]

The worst candidates possible, Hillary Clinton, Joe

[Brian Shapiro]

Biden, though, I don't blame.

[Independent Commentator]

No, I'm talking about Hillary Clinton. Now Hillary Clinton, you could have ran anyone else. You had Bernie Sanders, he would have mopped the floor with Trump. And the Democratic Party is so damn corrupt that in my opinion, they said we would rather lose than actually take an outside candidate like Bernie Sanders. And this is what happens in American politics is that I'm from West Texas, right. Like, I grew up. Cowboys, guns, all that stuff. You see the shirt?

[Brian Shapiro]

Yep.

[Independent Commentator]

And the West Texas that I grew up in, if Donald Trump, a New York liberal, would have come down there running for president, saying he was a Republican, they would have been like, get a rope. Like, we're not buying that bullshit. And so I've questioned this a lot. Like, what in the hell had to happen where Donald Trump was able to sell what I think is not going

[Brian Shapiro]

to let my character.

[Independent Commentator]

No, listen. But the reason what I think it is is because they look to the left and they say, Jesus Christ, if that is the only option, I would much rather buy his bullshit. Because in my opinion, that is the lesser of two evils and than electing a president like Hillary Clinton, Biden and Kamala Harris, I can tell you. So, and this is. And I'll finish this is what happens in American politics. I think that both parties run the absolute worst candidate so that the other side hates. Hates that side so damn much that they only hold their candidate to one. One thing, and it's that they're not the other person.

[Brian Shapiro]

Let me just close by saying this. Regardless of what your thoughts are on Kamala Harris, and we're going to get more into policy in bit. A little, little bit. But I can tell you this, regardless of your personal feelings or what you think Kamala is or isn't, I can guarantee you right now we would not be at a war in Iran. We would not be paying five or six dollars a gallon for gas. Inflation would not have rose 0.6%. I believe the economy would be in a much better place now if Kamala was president. I'm not saying she's perfect. I'm not saying she was a good candidate. I took a lot of shit last week as I put out a video and said, you know, if. And I did say this, you could look at my X account. I said, if the Democrats solution in 2028 is Kamala Harris, we are fucked. I was called a racist that was attacked by people on the left, not because I had this disdain for Kamala. I think there are better candidates out there. And I disagree with you a little bit on Hillary Clinton, even though I did not vote for her. I disagree with you a little bit on Hillary Clinton. I do think she was overqualified for the position. I didn't vote for more for personal reasons. I had.

[Independent Commentator]

Can I just. I said. I mean, it's up to. Up to you, but I just want to say one thing, is that I have researched Kamala Harris thoroughly. Okay. It's a very personal issue to me. I've spent seven years in prison. I've been.

[Brian Shapiro]

Jesus Christ, another guy that I don't want to fuck with here.

[Independent Commentator]

I. I've been.

[Brian Shapiro]

Fuck did you guys do to me here? Jeez. I'm kidding. Go ahead. Go ahead.

[Independent Commentator]

I've been through prosecutorial misconduct, all right? I've been through prosecutors lying and me having to give up years of my life because a de Agent and a prosecutor told fucking lies.

[Brian Shapiro]

So you've been through it.

[Independent Commentator]

I've been through it.

[Brian Shapiro]

So our system is very broken. I agree with you.

[Independent Commentator]

Fucked. And I'm telling you. So I'm not just going to sit there and criticize a candidate without doing due research. And I have done the due research, and I have not just gone to, like, speculation about it. I've actually gone to the source documents in that one district court ruling where that judge in San Francisco eviscerated her. That is a fact, what she did. And if that evidence exists and you support her and you've.

[Anti-War Advocate]

I'd have to.

[Brian Shapiro]

I'd have to look at that.

[Independent Commentator]

Now. I just think that it's irresponsible.

[Brian Shapiro]

Yeah.

[Independent Commentator]

That you didn't do that. And I think the reason why. Because you seem like a reasonable person. You seem like a good person. I think you're definitely wrong about that.

[Brian Shapiro]

Okay.

[Independent Commentator]

I think the only reason why you didn't go deeper is exactly what I said. You hate Donald Trump so much where you're willing to say, you know what? I don't need to do any more research.

[Brian Shapiro]

Well, as I said, even if that stuff is true about Kamala Harris, I would have still voted for her because I think her policies are better. Would have been better, so.

[Independent Commentator]

Well, you said, too. You said guarantee. I don't think you can guarantee. I think that it's speculation. I would just. You said, if Kamala Harris was president, I can guarantee. And you said all these things.

[Anti-War Advocate]

Yeah.

[Brian Shapiro]

She wouldn't even have a meeting with Benjamin Netanyahu. She wouldn't have. Israel wouldn't have coaxed her into war in Iran.

[Independent Commentator]

That's. That's speculation. So then we're not really arguing about facts.

[Brian Shapiro]

I'm just telling you Even if that stuff is true. True about Kamala. Okay. I find it interesting that Republicans didn't use it against her. Donald Trump didn't use it against her in a debate. I thought she defeated Donald Trump in a debate. I didn't see any ad campaigns.

[Independent Commentator]

Not true.

[Brian Shapiro]

Okay. I. I'm not saying that, but I am. All I'm saying is I find it interesting that I didn't hear Fox News, Newsmax, or OAN talking about any of this stuff when they.

[Independent Commentator]

It was brought up in the primaries against Biden.

[Brian Shapiro]

Okay, that might be.

[Independent Commentator]

It was.

[Brian Shapiro]

Okay, that might be true. But I'm saying how irresponsible for the Republicans if they want to win an election. I would agree with that. And. And people like me, maybe it would have been a little bit aware of that if. If it is true. But I appreciate it.

[Independent Commentator]

Yeah. I just want to say one thing, and this is where I think the problem with the American political system is. Anna Rents, one of my famous favorite philosophers, and she says those who choose the lesser of two evils forget that they still choose evil. And I think that we as Americans are in a position to. Where we are constantly forced to choose the lesser of two evil when we think that's the right choice. And all of us need to remember that we are still choosing to.

[Brian Shapiro]

What you are saying right now, I don't think Hillary Clinton is evil. I never liked her. I did not vote for Hillary Clinton.

[Independent Commentator]

Okay.

[Brian Shapiro]

And. Hold on, let me just finish.

[Independent Commentator]

Okay. And I'm gonna tell you one story.

[Brian Shapiro]

I'm telling you, somebody in the crowd just said, I thought you weren't a Democrat. It's not what I think. I'm a registered independent who didn't vote for Hillary Clinton, and I didn't vote for Barack Obama. We just had the conversation. I'm for border security. I'm for capital punishment. So it's not even worth addressing. What I was trying to say is, to your point, I didn't vote for Hillary or Trump because I didn't like either candidate. Now, the next now Barack Obama and John McCain. I didn't vote for Obama or McCain. Why? Because I would have been okay with either of them winning because I think John McCain was a decent man. I wasn't a fan of Sarah Palin. If I'm a big lefty liberal Democrat like some people want to put me as or mark me as, I would have ran to the polls and voted for Obama. I would have ran to the polls and voted for Hillary. I vote for people that I vote differently than a Lot of other people. I put the human being first before policy. I think policy is very important. We can say what we want about Hillary. It was an anti Donald Trump vote. We can say what we want about Joe Biden. It was an anti Donald Trump vote. And by the way, I don't think Joe Biden is a horrible human being.

[Independent Commentator]

Crime control act of 1993. He's disgusting. It.

[Brian Shapiro]

It so.

[Independent Commentator]

And Hillary Clinton supported that.

[Brian Shapiro]

So I don't think. I don't think Joe Biden.

[Independent Commentator]

The other thing too is. I'll tell you something about the Clintons. Roger Reeves has been on this show. Roger Weaves was Pablo Escobar's pilot. Right. He is the one who brought Barry Seal to the Medellin cartel. He would land in Arkansas and Barry Seal would literally tell him, we have to pay $50,000 a load for the man upstairs. I have been to Louisiana with Barry Seal, son. I have heard these stories firsthand. It is. They are disgusting people. Hillary Clinton was absolutely a part of all of that nonsense. Roger Reeves got a letter from a man that wrote him a letter on his deathbed and said, I was hired to kill you. And I'm not going to say who he said hired him to kill him because I don't want responsible for any liability. But he's told me personally, and if someone is on their deathbed and sends you a letter to let you, you know that I take that as highly credible.

[Brian Shapiro]

Well, listen, here's. Here's what I'll say to end this.

[Independent Commentator]

Little boys on the railroad tracks.

[Brian Shapiro]

Here's what I'll say to end that in this. Okay? And this resonates with me. And, and maybe this is one of the reasons why I think Joe Biden's. I don't think. I think Joe Biden was an okay president. But I will say this about Joe Biden. It resonates with me when he talks about the loss of his first wife and his daughter. I do believe he's a man of empathy when he talks about his son, Beau Biden, who served the country. Even Hunter Biden, who I've actually had conversations with. And now he's helping other people when it comes to substance abuse. And I listen to the voicemails. I don't know how they became public, the voicemails he left his son. And I hear a father who, who cares about his son.

[Independent Commentator]

The worst dictators in the history of this world were still good.

[Brian Shapiro]

Well, I'm not going to say Joe

[Independent Commentator]

Biden don't think that's.

[Brian Shapiro]

I'm not going to say Joe Biden's a dictator, but I appreciate it.

[Independent Commentator]

No, I'm just comparing it that you're living literally saying that because of these things.

[Brian Shapiro]

I think I'm telling you why he resonates with me. And I don't think he's a guy that wants to openly harm people or wish people death or celebrate when people die.

[Independent Commentator]

I think they're all frauds.

[Brian Shapiro]

Well, you have the right to believe that. I appreciate it, brother. Thank you very much. My second prompt of today is why I believe Donald Trump is very bad for America. All right, my friend, I think Donald Trump is, is horrible for this country for a lot of different reasons. Where am I wrong?

[Trump Supporter 2]

Well, I'm just actually going to stick to his first term because I think there's a huge difference between his first term and second term. Okay, so the Tax Cuts and Job act, that was the great act, reduced corporate tax, had an 11% investment. Corporate investment in the United States had create opportunity zones which allowed for billions of dollars of funding to underserved communities. He visited North Korea, opening up major relations, calming down a chaotic power. He shredded the tpp, he shredded nafta, and he instituted a new era of protectionism into the United States.

[Brian Shapiro]

So in his first term he got US $8.2 trillion of debt. Do you think that's fiscally responsible?

[Trump Supporter 2]

Well, I mean, no.

[Brian Shapiro]

Can you just say no? Okay, so he was not a fiscal responsible president. This go around the war in Iran, do you think that's good for the country when we're spending $2 billion a day? When he takes away 20 million Americans off of Medicaid, takes away food stamps for, for Americans in this country that are struggling. We don't have any money. Did you get that $5,000 dose check? I didn't get that check. So on one hand we can just print money when there's a war, which I would call ill advised. We can print money for the American, you know, American people screw you $2 billion a day for this war. Yet we don't want the most vulnerable people in this country. And by the way, those are the people that are struggling the most. It's not the tech billionaires. He gave the biggest tax breaks for the top 1%, $100 billion to the richest people in this country last year. Yet we're taking away medical benefits for a majority of Americans that need it to survive. So we could come up with a few policies that you might like in his first administration. But the bottom line is everyday Americans are getting fucked right now, and the reason is because of Donald Trump's policies. And we can go to a war, which is ill advised, but that's totally fine. Didn't he say he was going to be a peace president?

[Trump Supporter 1]

Right.

[Brian Shapiro]

I mean, did he not say that? You tell me.

[Trump Supporter 2]

This is why I'm continuing to the first term. Because the second term he broke his promises and his first term.

[Brian Shapiro]

Okay, let's talk about the first term. Okay, let's talk about that.

[Trump Supporter 2]

And speaking of Iran, just quickly speaking of Iran.

[Brian Shapiro]

Yeah.

[Trump Supporter 2]

The other thing I forgot to mention is that he destroyed isis, he killed Abu Bakr al Baghdadi, he assassinated Kassam Soleimani with minimal civil, actually no civilian casualties.

[Brian Shapiro]

Let's talk about the first administration. What were the two promises he ran

[Trump Supporter 2]

on the border security?

[Brian Shapiro]

The first, the two things that he ran on in 2015 were we're going to build a wall in Mexico's going to pay for it. We're going to hire a special prosecutor to go after Hillary Clinton. I'm just wondering, how much money did Mexico pay for that wall?

[Trump Supporter 2]

Well, so I think a lot of people were confused about this. People thought that Mexico was going to actually like react.

[Brian Shapiro]

Did they pay for it?

[Trump Supporter 2]

I believe they did pay for it.

[Brian Shapiro]

How?

[Trump Supporter 2]

With tariffs.

[Brian Shapiro]

That's not what he said. And Mexico didn't pay $1 for the war, for the wall. And he never said Mexico's going to pay for the wall. Here's how I'm going to do it. With tariffs. He said Mexico is going to pay for a wall. Okay. And first of all, how much of the wall was built? So if that's your argument, Mexico did pay for it, which I would respectfully disagree with you. In his term, he had four years. In his first term, how much of the wall was built?

[Trump Supporter 2]

This is a ridiculous. I know it wasn't completed. This is a.

[Brian Shapiro]

How much of it was completed?

[Trump Supporter 2]

I'm not sure.

[Brian Shapiro]

6%. Is that a lie?

[Trump Supporter 2]

Is that a lie?

[Brian Shapiro]

Yeah. I'm going to build a wall and Mexico's going to pay for it. He built 6% of wall.

[Marine Veteran]

The.

[Brian Shapiro]

I respectfully disagree with you. Did he go after Hillary Clinton? Did he hire a special prosecutor?

[Trump Supporter 2]

Did you want him to go after Hillary Clinton?

[Brian Shapiro]

So the question is what I wanted. The question is his promises.

[Trump Supporter 2]

So, so I can. He explained himself on this, right?

[Brian Shapiro]

Yeah. Because he cared about Hillary Clinton and he didn't want to go after. That's a great explanation.

[Trump Supporter 2]

Someone breaks up a political promise and then they give you a good explanation after. I can forgive that. Right.

[Brian Shapiro]

It's not a political.

[Trump Supporter 2]

We can allow for people to change their minds. Right. And he decided.

[Brian Shapiro]

You think he had a change of heart?

[Trump Supporter 2]

He just, he said it in multiple speeches.

[Brian Shapiro]

So if he said it must be true.

[Trump Supporter 2]

He decided it was.

[Brian Shapiro]

He had a. He had a. He wanted to take care of Hillary Clinton, and he, and he felt compassion for Hillary Clinton.

[Trump Supporter 2]

He felt it was for the good of the country not to go after a political opponent.

[Brian Shapiro]

Oh, really? What's he doing with James Comey right now?

[Trump Supporter 2]

Not to go after.

[Brian Shapiro]

What's he doing with James Comey?

[Trump Supporter 2]

President's wife. James Comey committed a crime and he did so.

[Brian Shapiro]

8647. FBI, arrest me right now. I just said 8647. Do you know how many times I hear people say, I got 86 from a casino in Las Vegas? It's not a crime to say 86. 47. It's not a crime to say 8647. So let me ask you a question. If it is a crime, then why is it. Todd Blanche was asked on national television the other day, all the people on social media that have said 8647, why will he not go after those people if it's a crime, but he goes after James Comey? I want consistency with our doj.

[Trump Supporter 2]

Answer your question.

[Brian Shapiro]

Because it's a political opponent, that's why.

[Trump Supporter 2]

No, no, no. You talked earlier about how President Trump, he's the leader of the leader of the world, and how he should be held to a higher standard. JAMES Comey, FORMER DIRECTOR OF THE FBI he should be held to a higher standard.

[Brian Shapiro]

That's not how our laws work.

[Trump Supporter 2]

Yes.

[Brian Shapiro]

Is 8647 a crime? If I say it right now, is it a crime?

[Trump Supporter 2]

It depends on your intent.

[Brian Shapiro]

So you think James Comey's intent was to kill the president with seashells on a beach? Are you fucking kidding me? Appears to be. What? Do you know how many people have said 8647. So we're not going to go after any, by the way. Probably people. Some of those people might be lunatic, but they're not going after.

[Trump Supporter 2]

Every person who intends to kill President Trump should be investigated.

[Brian Shapiro]

James Comey didn't attempt to kill President Trump. You know that's not true. The point that I was trying to make, different standards for different people. If you're, if you're, if it's your political opponent, if it's, it doesn't matter if you're high profile, a crime is a crime. If you get caught with a DUI. You shouldn't be Matt Gates and get off eight DUIs. Everybody should be treated the same under the law.

[Anti-War Advocate]

Let's use your.

[Brian Shapiro]

And that's not what Donald Trump is doing. And I just prove that.

[Trump Supporter 2]

Let's use your DUI example.

[Brian Shapiro]

Sure.

[Trump Supporter 2]

You have someone who's going a little bit above the legal limit versus someone who goes, you know, two, three times over the legal limit. Obviously, the person who's going two or three times over the legal limit is going to be held more responsible. Now, should everyone be prosecuted?

[Moderate Republican]

Yes.

[Trump Supporter 2]

If it was. If it was viable to prosecute every person who's threatened President Trump's life, those people should.

[Brian Shapiro]

So explain to me by that theory, when James Comey in Seashells says 8647 and you have lunatics on social media that say 8647, explain to me why James Comey is the one and the only one that is. And by the way, these charges are never going to hold up. I fucking guarantee you. I mean, I'm not a lawyer, so we'll see. I guarantee you this is what they do. By the way, look at Letitia, James and all the other political enemies that Donald Trump has gone after. Can you please explain to me how those charges, how did those play out? Or the 61 times where they claimed that Donald Trump won the 2020 election. This is what they do. They go after their political opponents. And I'm not saying people on the left don't do it either. But this James comey thing with Seashells 8647, you can't look me in the eye right now and tell me you truly believe that that was a credible threat and that James Comey really wanted to kill the president. Can you tell me that right now? Cuz then it would be a crime.

[Trump Supporter 2]

I am gonna look you in the eye right now as I am right now, and I'm gonna tell you that I don't know.

[Brian Shapiro]

Oh, come on.

[Moderate Republican]

I don't know.

[Brian Shapiro]

You think James Comey wanted to kill the President?

[Trump Supporter 2]

I don't know James Comey, but I don't.

[Marine Veteran]

I don't.

[Trump Supporter 2]

Listen. I don't know, Jim.

[Brian Shapiro]

I don't.

[Trump Supporter 2]

I don't know James Comey. But you know. You know who does. You know who does know James Comey.

[Brian Shapiro]

All right, hold on. One at a time. One at a time.

[Trump Supporter 2]

President Trump knows James Comey better than I do. President Trump's legal team knows James Comey

[Moderate Republican]

better than I do.

[Trump Supporter 2]

If they think he has the He. If they think that he levied a credible thing against President Trump. He should be tried, and he may possibly.

[Brian Shapiro]

Here's the deal.

[Disillusioned Voter]

Right.

[Anti-War Advocate]

Executed.

[Brian Shapiro]

Here's the deal. Right. The prompt is bad for America. You know what I think is bad for America? When we treat people differently because of their political affiliation. Okay. The Trump administration does that over and over again. Example, Todd Blanche, Pam Bondi, who I know, I understand is no longer in that position, but she had an opportunity to go after pedophiles in the Epstein Falls. She wouldn't even look behind her in a courtroom. Okay. Or I'm sorry, in the. In the House chambers and say, hey, I'm sorry. They're not even investigating it. Okay.

[Trump Supporter 2]

Right.

[Brian Shapiro]

You have James Comey in Seashells on the beach who says 8,000, 647, and somehow you think that's good for America.

[Trump Supporter 2]

Right. So this is why I was trying to contain it to the first term, because I think the second term is.

[Brian Shapiro]

Why can't you just say he's probably going after James Comey because he doesn't like James Comey?

[Trump Supporter 2]

Because 8647 could be construed as a

[Brian Shapiro]

threat against the president. And you think that was a threat?

[Trump Supporter 2]

Could be.

[Brian Shapiro]

You think? Okay. All right. Fair enough. Good conversation. Thank you. Thank you for coming, by the way. I appreciate it. The guy joining us right now, this is really weird for me to say. It's very strange, but he was accused and arrested for an attempted assassination on Donald Trump. Even though we disagree on probably everything that is politics, I definitely had your back on this one.

[Trump Supporter 1]

Yeah.

[Pro-Choice Advocate]

Because.

[Brian Shapiro]

No, I don't think you're an assassin. Even though Stephen Miller thinks that Alex Preddy was an assassin, I don't think you're an assassin. So I just wanted to say Sheriff Bianco. Is that his name? Sheriff Bianco is an utter piece of. So we definitely agree on that. So I just wanted to start by something we agree.

[Trump Supporter 3]

Funny man. I've been on your show a few times, and we argued pretty much throughout. But that's.

[Brian Shapiro]

Well, because I. Because I don't think you're a violent person, and I thought you were mistreated. And I try to be fair with people, but you're a staunch Donald Trump supporter.

[Trump Supporter 3]

I am. I am a Donald Trump supporter. And I think the topic of this particular pod is, is Trump bad for America? You know, I would say if he was the only president we've ever had, I think there might be an argument to say, you know what, there's a lot of corruption and bad stuff going on I think comparatively with all the other presidents we've had, I think is probably one of the better ones in

[Brian Shapiro]

history under by what standards? The economy.

[Trump Supporter 3]

Just comparing them to the carnage. So many of these presidents.

[Brian Shapiro]

Who was the last president that got us into an ill advised war?

[Trump Supporter 3]

George W. Bush.

[Brian Shapiro]

Correct. Weapons of mass destruction. That was a lot.

[Trump Supporter 3]

Obama, by the way. Obama drone the crap out of people.

[Brian Shapiro]

Didn't get us into wars though.

[Trump Supporter 3]

That was, that was still an example of Bible.

[Brian Shapiro]

I didn't. But, but I said ill advised war. So we can talk about, we can talk. Well again there were eight investigations into Benghazi and Hillary was found that Republicans couldn't find anything on her. But anyway, going back now to Iran, do you agree with this war?

[Trump Supporter 3]

I actually do not. No.

[Brian Shapiro]

You do not?

[Trump Supporter 3]

No, I don't.

[Brian Shapiro]

Don't you think that's kind of a big deal when the president runs on I'm going to be a peace president, I'm not going to start any new wars and then all of a sudden, boom, we're in a war with Iran. Don't you think that's like a big deal?

[Trump Supporter 3]

This, this is where I'm, this is where. Why preface this by saying you got to compare it to the other presidents.

[Brian Shapiro]

Joe Biden didn't get us into a war.

[Trump Supporter 3]

Joe Biden has done a lot of horrible things. Joe Biden, there's a gentleman here that was talking about how he was false accused and if you look at back in the 70s and some of the legislation she was having passed which is, you know, Violence against Women act. And really what that did is that created a platform where a lot of these false accusations that are not proven in a criminal court, which is where it should be proven then basically start a highway for a lot of men to land them.

[Brian Shapiro]

All right? So we can go back themselves them, we can go back decades into policies that you disagree or agree with when it comes to any Democrat, in this case, Joe Biden. Okay, I understand that. I'm talking about where we are at as a country right now. We just had inflation that went up 0.6%. Okay. Unemployment on the rise of. When you look at private sector job growth and by almost every standard, look at the, look at, look at the supermarkets right now. Look at the prices except for eggs and a few vegetables. This is a guy who said I'm going to lower all the prices on day one. I'm going to end the war in Ukraine within 24 hours. I won't be getting us into a war. There's going to Be no regime change. Nothing but lies. And imagine I keep saying this.

[Trump Supporter 3]

I hope it's nothing but lies, though, because I think, again, it's the positives of what he's done. Far are we outweigh the negatives by what other presidents you could look at. Well, you know, for example, we got the border closed, right?

[Brian Shapiro]

Let's talk about immigration.

[Trump Supporter 3]

The wokeism and all this nonsense with

[Brian Shapiro]

Obama deported more people than Donald Trump. And I can also tell you that ICE agents weren't murdering people in the streets, weren't shooting mothers in the face.

[Trump Supporter 3]

That's not Donald Trump murdering people on the street.

[Brian Shapiro]

So. So just because it's not Donald Trump, the buck starts with Donald Trump. It's why Bavano was forced into retirement. It's part of the reason why Kristi Noem was fired because she did a horrific job.

[Trump Supporter 3]

You're talking about individuals on the streets.

[Brian Shapiro]

In Donald Trump's administration, he said he only hires the best people. Look at all the people he fires. If he hires only the best people, why would you put some moron like Pam Bondi in charge?

[Trump Supporter 3]

I mean, why would you put a corporation that big? You got to look at it as

[Brian Shapiro]

like, does he only hire the best corporation?

[Trump Supporter 3]

Sometimes you're going to hire people that are but them.

[Brian Shapiro]

I don't think you're a racist person. Okay. When you're taking away people's First, Third and Fourth Amendment rights away, which is exactly what in some instances they've done.

[Trump Supporter 3]

ICE was doing.

[Brian Shapiro]

Absolutely. There's.

[Trump Supporter 3]

Wait, you're talking about illegal immigrants rights?

[Brian Shapiro]

I'm not talking about that. I'm not talking about illegals. I'm talking about randomly going up to people of color, people with accents, demanding their paperwork. That is against the law. There are also videos of ICE agents barging down doors without warrants. It happened in Minneapolis multiple times, and it is unacceptable. What happened to Renee Good and Alex Preddy is atrocious.

[Trump Supporter 3]

I mean, but if you're talking about that, then you got to look at the Biden administration and talk about the, you know, cities burning end of Trump's administration. What happened with Seattle, all the carnage.

[Brian Shapiro]

Did Joe Biden. Did Joe Biden pardon any of those people? There were a lot of people that were convicted. If you're talking about Black Lives Matter protests, by the way, I don't condone any violence, whether it's January 6th or Black Lives Matter. But the difference is Donald Trump decided to pardon people who beat police officers their own batons.

[Trump Supporter 3]

Pardons, though. You got to look at the pardons. Of every president. Again, you got to compare it. And there was a lot of bad people. Pardon.

[Brian Shapiro]

You care about fraud?

[Trump Supporter 3]

Different presidents.

[Brian Shapiro]

Do you care about fraud?

[Trump Supporter 3]

Of course.

[Brian Shapiro]

Then, then, then let me ask you a question then. You think Nick Shirley's doing a lot of good work?

[Trump Supporter 3]

I think he's doing a pretty good job.

[Brian Shapiro]

Okay.

[Trump Supporter 3]

Are you aware, I don't think it's perfect, by the way.

[Brian Shapiro]

No. I think Nick Shirley is a complete idiot. But anyway, that's beside the point. Are you aware that Donald Trump pardoned over 70 people that committed billions of dollars in fraud?

[Trump Supporter 3]

And in those, every president has done that because they're, because they're donors of theirs, because they pay enough money to get the pardon.

[Brian Shapiro]

But it's not about the pardons. It's about fraud. We're talking about fraud now. Billions of dollars in fraud. And here's the kicker. They don't have to pay back any restitution. Don't you think it's a little bit hypocritical for MAGA supporters to talk about what we're discussing, which is fraud, and then have no problem with Donald Trump issuing these pardons of people that don't have to pay back restitution, billions of dollars? Don't you find?

[Trump Supporter 3]

Again, I go into comparative analysis. I look at it as like, compared to other presidents, how much damage has Trump done? How much more corrupt has he been than other presidents? Again, comparatively speaking, I don't think he's been as corrupt as the last six.

[Brian Shapiro]

He's made more money. He's made more money as president than every other president combined since he's been in office. When you talk about the memorabilia, or lack of a better term, the stuff that he sells, when you talk about some of his pardons and, and the money that was donated to him, when you talk about the. By the way, how did that five million dollar gold card work out? I mean, it's such a joke, the stuff that he does on a daily basis. One person, one person bought that gold card and he rolled out the red carpet for Vladimir Putin an evil, murderous dictator.

[Trump Supporter 3]

I don't know if I, again, again, I don't agree with that. I don't think you. I wouldn't call Vladimir Putin an evil, murderous.

[Brian Shapiro]

Who invaded Ukraine.

[Trump Supporter 3]

Well, Ukraine was actually our fault because a lot of policy started in the 2000, early 2000, with us encroaching upon their space via NATO. And actually Trump did anti NATO.

[Brian Shapiro]

Did somebody force Vladimir Putin to invade Ukraine or did he do it on his own?

[Trump Supporter 3]

If somebody, if somebody puts Nuclear bombs at our doorstep. They tried it in 1960s. We almost went into war.

[Brian Shapiro]

So you're defending world war. So you're defending the entire world. So you're defending Vladimir Putin invading one of our allies.

[Trump Supporter 3]

I'm saying it's comparative. I'm saying if somebody's saying that, okay, we're going to have. I'm a sovereign country and I'm going to bring literally like weapons to your border like they did in Cuba in the, in 1963 or 1962 with the Cuban Missile crisis. What do you expect them to do? Why was NATO encroaching upon. Why is Clinton so into. Why. Why do all these, why do all these past politicians like the Clintons want to bring weapons to.

[Brian Shapiro]

Some endorsed them. Yeah, so. So again, I'm going to stay away from, I'm trying to talk Trump. Why? I think Trump is bad for America. Here's what I think is bad for the world when we in a sense condone an evil murderous dictator for invade. And that's exactly who Vladimir Putin is. All the women and children that have died and then he blames Vladimir Zelensky. He calls Zelensky a dictator. Has Donald Trump ever called Putin a dictator?

[Trump Supporter 3]

I think gotta blame NATO on the fact that we're putting weapons on their doorstep.

[Brian Shapiro]

Well, I disagree. Here's the person who I blame. Vladimir Putin. And guess who the two people who have made the most money off of this war in Iran are. Benjamin Netanyahu and Vladimir Putin. They have benefited financially. By the way, I don't defend Benjamin Netanyahu and the Israeli government. I think they're beyond corrupt. And I think Benjamin Netanyahu is a war criminal. Just like I would say in a sense Putin is a war criminal. But you know what? I would defend this war if Iran either tried to attack us or invaded Israel the same way that Putin invaded Ukraine. Vladimir Zelensky is not an evil dictator. He did not start this war. It was Putin. Benjamin Netanyahu has played your guy like a fiddle. If not for Benjamin Netanyahu, we are not at war with Iran because Donald Trump has been played and he lied to all of you. He said he would be a peace president and he wouldn't start any new wars. The last guy who started an ill advised war was George W. Bush based on a lie. This fucking guy can't even get his lies in order. First it was regime change, then we were told it was about civilians that need to rise up.

[Trump Supporter 3]

It's hard for me to argue against the Iran war because I was against the Iraq war. I'm against the Iran war.

[Brian Shapiro]

Why is it always Republicans that get us into ill advised wars?

[Trump Supporter 3]

I don't know if that's true though. I don't know.

[Brian Shapiro]

Name me the last ill advised illegal

[Trump Supporter 3]

war that a Democrat, Johnson got us into. Vietnam.

[Brian Shapiro]

That's a long time ago. That's a long time ago.

[Trump Supporter 3]

That set a precedent.

[Brian Shapiro]

It's a long time ago. All right, I appreciate it. All right, thanks.

[Pro-Choice Advocate]

All right.

[Trump Supporter 3]

Thanks a lot, brother.

[Brian Shapiro]

Hey, how you doing, man? What's your good.

[Disillusioned Voter]

Simon.

[Brian Shapiro]

Simon, you're ready to go?

[Disillusioned Voter]

I guess so.

[Brian Shapiro]

All right, so I think Donald Trump's bad for America, Simon, go for it.

[Disillusioned Voter]

Well, let me start off by saying that I voted for Hillary. Voted for.

[Brian Shapiro]

I didn't. Okay.

[Disillusioned Voter]

I voted for Hillary. I voted for Biden. I represent one of the many millions of Americans of working class Americans who cannot run as far away from the Democrat party as fast as we can.

[Brian Shapiro]

Okay.

[Disillusioned Voter]

I just moved to Vegas from Seattle. Before that I was living in Portland. These, their policies are cuckoo.

[Brian Shapiro]

And which ones,

[Disillusioned Voter]

where do I begin?

[Brian Shapiro]

All of them. Give me one.

[Disillusioned Voter]

Okay. Banning natural gas and making people pull natural gas out of construction.

[Brian Shapiro]

Which policy drives up?

[Disillusioned Voter]

Well, in Washington they tried banning natural gas.

[Brian Shapiro]

Did it pass?

[Disillusioned Voter]

No, they banned it. Then it went to a vote, the citizens voted against it and the legislature did it anyways.

[Brian Shapiro]

Okay, well when did that, when did that pass?

[Disillusioned Voter]

This is just in the last year or so.

[Brian Shapiro]

Okay. So the Democrats didn't have the House or the Senate and they were able to pass this bill.

[Disillusioned Voter]

Democrats in Washington have everything.

[Brian Shapiro]

Democrats in D.C. do not have the House or Senate. No, no, no. Washington state. Okay, I apologize.

[Marine Veteran]

Sorry.

[Anti-War Advocate]

Yeah, yeah.

[Disillusioned Voter]

When you said I was coming from

[Brian Shapiro]

Seattle, I ap I thought you meant TC Okay. All right.

[Disillusioned Voter]

So, so, so my point is, yeah, there's a two party system. If not A, then B. If not B, then A. The Democrats, I can't, I'm not down with them anymore.

[Brian Shapiro]

But you're down with Republicans.

[Disillusioned Voter]

Well, that leaves me with one choice. Well, two choices. Either I don't vote or I vote for Donald Trump. So I voted for Donald Trump. Now I'm not going to defend anything he says because I do think he's a blowhard. He says some things. Sometimes you're just like, oh God, Really?

[Brian Shapiro]

If you don't mind me asking, what tax bracket are you in?

[Disillusioned Voter]

I'm a stand up comedian. That should tell you.

[Brian Shapiro]

Okay. Is he doing what is he doing? Taxes. And for middle America, like yourself, I would imagine you're not a gazillionaire. I'm sure you're a funny comedian.

[Disillusioned Voter]

Sure. No tax on tips.

[Brian Shapiro]

No, it's not no tax on tips. It's no. Hold on, hold on. It's no tax on a $25,000 cap on tips.

[Disillusioned Voter]

Sure.

[Brian Shapiro]

I would also say. Which is a help. Okay.

[Disillusioned Voter]

Which is the only, only politician in my lifetime. Let's talk about anything for the lower cost.

[Brian Shapiro]

I disagree. So here's why. So let's just say no tax on tips. 25,000, by the way, people in Vegas make a lot more money than that in tips and they're still paying taxes. But what good is it for somebody like a delivery driver or the grandmother who showed up at the White House and is bragging, I made $11,000 in tips. Guess what? People like that lose their health care coverage when her husband is dying of cancer. So what good is it to save 2 or $3,000 on your taxes when 20 million Americans are losing their health care coverage? They're losing government assistance, they're losing their food stamps. What good is it to save a couple grand on your tips when he's giving the biggest tax breaks to the top 1%?

[Disillusioned Voter]

I don't know that person you're talking about, but what I know, there was

[Brian Shapiro]

a grandmother that showed up, that was a delivery driver. She shows up to the White House, she says, I made $11,000 in tips, and it was no tax on tips. Thank you, Mr. President. If he didn't do that, you know, she saved like two or three grand. Her husband is dying of cancer. When someone is making that salary, they actually can apply for Medicaid. Donald Trump has made it difficult. And over 20 million Americans have lost their health care coverage. Do you know how much money it costs that woman to take care of her husband who's dying of cancer? So while we brag about no tax on tips, $25,000 cap, by the way, by the way, he didn't say that when he was running for. He didn't say 25,000.

[Disillusioned Voter]

Are you talking about the bill they passed where in a few years from now, if you don't prove that you're working, you're going to lose your Medicare.

[Brian Shapiro]

So I'm talking about the big and beautiful bill. Yeah, okay. In the Nobody's lost their Medicare. That's not true. That's not true. I know.

[Disillusioned Voter]

What I understood was that that's not true. Years from now, they're going to make you either a say you can work or you can't work, or you have to volunteer. That's What I read.

[Brian Shapiro]

Okay, so that's not entirely true, but here's what I will say to that. The people that are working right now, how many of them are offered health care coverage for people that are working full time jobs?

[Disillusioned Voter]

Not that many. Not enough, right?

[Brian Shapiro]

Correct. Less than half of the people that are working full time are not even offered health care coverage. Of the people that are offered health care coverage that are working full time, how many of those people can afford health care? Do you have any idea? At least 4 out of 10 or the latest numbers. That's a huge issue. Under Donald Trump's big and beautiful bill, many of those people, a large majority of them, are losing their health care coverage. I find that very problematic. So if we're going to brag about what I read, tips.

[Disillusioned Voter]

Hold on. What I read was that in a few years from now they're going to put in a system where if you're on Obamacare, that you either have to prove that you can't work or you have to take on some part time work or you have to volunteer. How does that, how does that.

[Brian Shapiro]

So they're going by people and the amount of salaries that they make and there are people right now that they've clamped up on that are making under the threshold that you need to have health care. We could also talk about drug prices. We could talk about insulin, for example. I don't know if you know anybody That's a type 1 diabetic.

[Disillusioned Voter]

Medical coverage is not, I will not say it's really my area of expertise.

[Brian Shapiro]

What's Donald Trump's healthcare plan?

[Disillusioned Voter]

Like I said, healthcare is not really my area.

[Brian Shapiro]

But this is. But if it's. If you're going to talk about no tax on tips, cap at 25,000, unfortunately, we have to talk about health care. And my answer to my question was there is no replacement plan. How could you call down.

[Disillusioned Voter]

We've gone down a road that I wasn't even trying to start off on. What I was trying to say was, is that when I left the Democratic Party, okay, there was a choice. Okay, so who am I going to vote for? So I vote for Donald Trump. I am very happy with what he's been doing.

[Brian Shapiro]

What has he been doing?

[Disillusioned Voter]

Donald Trump right now is trying to fight back against the Belt Road initiative. The stuff that he's doing on the global scale.

[Brian Shapiro]

What has he done in a year and a half? Give me some positives besides no tax on tips.

[Disillusioned Voter]

25 pounds against the BRICS nations.

[Brian Shapiro]

I don't care what he's trying to Fight back on. What has he done?

[Disillusioned Voter]

One of the greatest threats we have facing this country is Donald Trump is the Axis that is surrounding us. It was Venezuela. You have Hezbollah camps in Venezuela. You have Iran teaming up with cartels. You have China shipping in fentanyl through the open border. If that is, to me, the overwhelming amount.

[Brian Shapiro]

The overwhelming amount.

[Disillusioned Voter]

You also have these strategic choke points like the Panama Canal. So you ask, what did he do to fight back against the Belt Road initiative? Donald Trump got us back control of the Panama Canal before I ever heard a Democrat even admit it was a problem. That was huge. The war against Iran, which I support.

[Brian Shapiro]

Because. Support it?

[Trump Supporter 1]

Yes.

[Disillusioned Voter]

Because by stopping Iran, what have they stopped?

[Brian Shapiro]

Okay, so hold on. Let me ask you a question about this.

[Disillusioned Voter]

By stopping Iran and by stopping Venezuela, what he is doing is he's fighting back against China at the strategic choke points of the oil and the precious minerals.

[Brian Shapiro]

Let me just comment on that real quick.

[Disillusioned Voter]

We need for the next.

[Brian Shapiro]

Let's talk about Iran.

[Disillusioned Voter]

One lesson, one last half a sentence. If by taking out Iran, he's protecting Taiwan because China gets.

[Brian Shapiro]

He just sold out Taiwan in China.

[Disillusioned Voter]

He sold out 90% of their oil from Venezuela.

[Brian Shapiro]

I think most people would agree when you're at war with another entity, you win the war by your opponent giving up concessions. I think most people would agree with that very basic standard. Okay, hold on, hold on. By the way, they have a new regime. Okay. And most would argue younger and more capable and more anti American. But let me ask you a question. Can you name me one concession that Iran has given up?

[Disillusioned Voter]

Iran will never concede. They're on a mission from their God. Because they're on a mission from their God. They're not fighting for resources.

[Brian Shapiro]

He won. What does he accomplish? The Strait of Hormuz is closed. We blockaded the blockade, which is the dumbest thing I've ever heard of in my life.

[Disillusioned Voter]

It's brilliant. What are you talking about?

[Brian Shapiro]

Blockading the blockade. You think that's brilliant?

[Disillusioned Voter]

Yes.

[Brian Shapiro]

Now I know why you voted for Donald Trump. Okay, that's brilliant. You're right. Absolutely. Okay. That's brilliant.

[Disillusioned Voter]

Iran is not making money. They're losing $500 million.

[Brian Shapiro]

They started a fire. And I'm going to light the fire, too. I mean, come on, man. What did he do? This is ridiculous.

[Disillusioned Voter]

He destroyed their navy. He destroyed their air force. He knocked out the Ayatollah. He knocked out the 40 other time,

[Brian Shapiro]

one at a time. He knocked out the Ayatollah. The man was. By the way, I don't Feel bad for the Ayatollah or his regime. They were horrible people. However, what is the point of knocking out the Ayatollah when they have younger, more radical and more capable people? He didn't take out a regime. He got a worse regime for America.

[Disillusioned Voter]

They are splintered. They're not mortgage capable of what?

[Brian Shapiro]

What evidence? What are you talking about?

[Disillusioned Voter]

We're kicking their butt.

[Brian Shapiro]

And what you tell. What are you talking about?

[Disillusioned Voter]

You think we're losing?

[Brian Shapiro]

We're kicking their butt. Our gas prices. Have you seen our economy right now? Have you seen our gas prices? While Putin and Benjamin Yahoo are the ones making all the money. We're kicking their butts.

[Disillusioned Voter]

Listen, gas prices are going to go up for a short while and then we're going to control the strait. We are going to control.

[Brian Shapiro]

We are about to be one of the largest. Where was this? We are about three months ago.

[Disillusioned Voter]

We are about to be one of the largest exporters of oil.

[Brian Shapiro]

We are.

[Disillusioned Voter]

Yes.

[Brian Shapiro]

In two weeks. Right. It's always going to happen in two weeks. Right. This war is going to be over in two weeks. Remember when he said he had a health care plan? In two weeks.

[Disillusioned Voter]

Nobody.

[Brian Shapiro]

The war is going to be over in two weeks.

[Disillusioned Voter]

Nobody.

[Brian Shapiro]

Why do you believe the.

[Disillusioned Voter]

Nobody should fight a war on a. On a time schedule.

[Brian Shapiro]

What was the straight Hormuz was at three months ago? What was the. Tell me. Give me the logistics of the straight of Hormuz three months ago. Where was. Where were we at then with the straight of Hormuz?

[Disillusioned Voter]

Well, let's just take the last year.

[Brian Shapiro]

We take three months.

[Disillusioned Voter]

We have Houthis firing missiles at American ships. We have Iran controlling the Strait and always using it as a bargaining.

[Brian Shapiro]

Was it open world? Were we able to use it? Was it open three months ago? Yeah. What's. Where are we at right now? We're at.

[Disillusioned Voter]

About to take it over, but it's gonna.

[Brian Shapiro]

No, no, I didn't ask you what you think is going to happen in the future. You could think the earth is flat in the future. I'm asking you right now. Where are we at right now with the Strait of Hormuz?

[Disillusioned Voter]

We're clearing it and we're taking control.

[Brian Shapiro]

Do we have control? Then why are they firing at our ships if we have control?

[Disillusioned Voter]

Britain just closed up in bro. We are kicking their butt. We're kicking their butt.

[Brian Shapiro]

Your definition of kicking butt. Let me tell you the opposite of my definition of kicking butt, okay? When inflation is up, Americans have to decide whether they're going to put food on the Table or fill their gas tanks, which is $100. Private sector job growth is abysmal. So your definition of kicking butt when all these people across the country are struggling is very different. Okay, I don't think. You know what I think is kicking our butt? Americans. Donald Trump's policies getting us into an ill advised war. If you're okay with this war, you were probably okay with the Iraq wars.

[Disillusioned Voter]

Okay with this war. Everybody who's under the death threats of Iranian proxies, they're dancing in the streets. They want. The Iranian people are naming streets after Benjamin.

[Brian Shapiro]

Why did Tulsi Gabbard, under oath 10 months ago, say that there was no evidence based on her own intention intelligence that they were furthering their nuclear capabilities. Why is it. Hold on.

[Disillusioned Voter]

No idea.

[Brian Shapiro]

She must have been lying.

[Disillusioned Voter]

Anybody who thinks that Iran was not trying to get nukes, I disagree.

[Brian Shapiro]

Well, trying to get. You can disagree, but you're not Tulsa Gabard. Hold on. Tulsi Gabard forever.

[Disillusioned Voter]

Tulsi G. Iran has been an enemy of the United States since the nat. Just because Leslie Nielsen. Okay, so first in the door.

[Brian Shapiro]

So by your, so by your standard, we should go to war with North Korea, we should have gone to war with Assad, we should, we should go to war with Vladimir Putin again. Eight months ago we were told, what did we obliterate.

[Disillusioned Voter]

Iran was a threat to the global stability.

[Brian Shapiro]

So.

[Disillusioned Voter]

And the fact that Donald Trump got the other Muslim nations on our side working with Israel is a miracle.

[Brian Shapiro]

They're all working with us. Okay. Oh, this could be fiery.

[Pro-Choice Advocate]

This will be good. I actually, so I was sitting there and I was thinking to myself, you and Donald Trump might actually agree on something.

[Brian Shapiro]

What's that? No, I will not put on eight layers of orange makeup.

[Pro-Choice Advocate]

I really thought you would. What is your thoughts on abortion?

[Brian Shapiro]

As I've always said, I believe that a woman should have the right to choose. However, I do think late term abortion, I would be willing to concede unless it's health reasons for the mother. Obviously. Obviously. I don't want women to use abortion as for lack of a better term birth control. But I think there are some radical views on the right when it comes to this issue. I think if you're a woman that is the victim of incest, or for a Republican, a middle aged, crusty white guy to go up to that 13 year old girl and say, you must have that baby, I think it's pathetic. I think it's horrible.

[Pro-Choice Advocate]

Do you think life is horrible?

[Brian Shapiro]

Well, your definition of life. When does life begin so your definition of life is very different than my definition of life. My opinion scientifically, when does life begin again? My definition. I'm asking you. This isn't feelings. I know you want to play Charlie Kirk on me, and that's fine. My definition of life. And again, this is my definition of it. And by the way, if you noticed, we're both not women. We both don't know what it's like to be pregnant. We both don't know what that difficult decision is.

[Pro-Choice Advocate]

Have you ever owned a slave?

[Brian Shapiro]

Have I ever. Is that a serious question?

[Pro-Choice Advocate]

You could still talk about something that you think is immoral even though you're not, the gender that it may be or you've never actually experienced it. Right? We can talk about the immorality.

[Brian Shapiro]

I think slavery and abortion are two completely different things. So I think your analogy is really off. Hold on. Well, I want to answer your question. I believe you're alive. I believe rolling a different life, okay? But hold on. I believe that it is not a life unless it could survive outside the womb. Now, there are people that get biologists. Hold on. I would love to see that study, but I know that there are plenty of doctors and nurses and people that perform pregnancies every day. Some agree with me, some disagree with me. Here's the thing, and this is how I feel about any social issue, including abortion. And I'm not sure you know how this pertains to Trump. I understand Trump overturned Roe vs. Wade because of the Supreme Court justices. I get that. I don't like telling other people what to do. Okay? Unless it's illegal. Now, in half this country right now, abortion is illegal. So I don't believe. Hold on. I don't believe geography should have say over a woman's body. Example, in some states, if a woman becomes pregnant and she wants an abortion, she has to travel to another state to get an abortion. That's fucking ridiculous. Geography should have no play over a woman's body. Now, if you, I don't know, you're 18, if you got a woman pregnant, I would say we all make mistakes in life. Okay, Okay. I say in life. I didn't say life was a mistake. I said in life we all make mistakes. If you're a 15 or a 16 year old girl, you have unprotected sex with a man and the family on both sides agree she doesn't financially have the capabilities. I think that's okay. So now let me ask you a question. With abortion right now, there are 400,000 children that are waiting to be adopted in half the country about abortion is illegal. So if abortion is illegal throughout the country, there are going to be millions of kids that are waiting to be adopted. Are you willing to adopt three or four kids? I'm not. I'm.

[Pro-Choice Advocate]

I'm willing to adopt children.

[Brian Shapiro]

Really? What would you say to all the people out there that are not willing to adopt children? Should they be forced to if there are millions of kids out there?

[Pro-Choice Advocate]

No, I'm not saying that they should be forced to adopt.

[Brian Shapiro]

So what do we do? What do we do?

[Pro-Choice Advocate]

Can you let me finish?

[Brian Shapiro]

What do we do?

[Pro-Choice Advocate]

This is a very, very important topic here. Let me just finish my, my cut. My uncle actually on the phone before. Right before we, we drove up here in the drive and we're on the phone with him. He's adopted nine children. But you can't sit here and say that people don't want to adopt some.

[Brian Shapiro]

My own.

[Pro-Choice Advocate]

Then why has adopted nine children?

[Brian Shapiro]

I think that's great. Okay. I think so.

[Pro-Choice Advocate]

Life is great.

[Brian Shapiro]

Hold on, hold on. So we should. Let me respond.

[Pro-Choice Advocate]

Life and kill it. Right?

[Brian Shapiro]

Let me respond to that.

[Skeptical Listener]

Right.

[Brian Shapiro]

Your uncle has adopted nine children. I think that's awesome. And I think somebody that has adopted a lot of kids has more credibility than somebody who is anti abortion. And by the way, there's plenty of people out there that think abortion is murder. They haven't adopted anybody. The point that I was trying to make is when you say abortion should be illegal, you have to be able to come up with those solutions first before even in my opinion, making a statement like that. We literally have. Have hundreds of thousands of kids that are waiting to be adopted that don't have parents. That's a problem. What do we do about that problem? The problem with.

[Pro-Choice Advocate]

I think I've heard this argument a little bit before.

[Brian Shapiro]

Well, I'm waiting for explanation. This has nothing to do with slavery, man.

[Pro-Choice Advocate]

Because nothing. Think about it. Slaves are going to get out of slavery with absolutely nothing. No home, no money, no nothing. They were slaves. Right?

[Brian Shapiro]

An unborn child.

[Pro-Choice Advocate]

Right.

[Brian Shapiro]

I disagree with you. Unborn is not a slave.

[Pro-Choice Advocate]

Let's just play along.

[Brian Shapiro]

Come on.

[Pro-Choice Advocate]

I know you're smart. I just play along.

[Brian Shapiro]

So don't understand why you're bringing up slavery, but okay, go ahead.

[Pro-Choice Advocate]

So a slave, when slavery ended, did we really have a solution for that? We're just going to give all them houses. We're going to go all in tons of money. Right. Like these people are.

[Brian Shapiro]

But these were people that were out of the womb and they. And for the most part it was because of the color of their skin.

[Pro-Choice Advocate]

Difference between somebody outside of the womb and somebody in the womb. What is the.

[Brian Shapiro]

Well, first of all. Well, first of all.

[Pro-Choice Advocate]

Morality. What?

[Brian Shapiro]

Well, first of all, the important part about that is that I think 99% of society, unless you're an absolute racist buffoon, would agree that slavery was horrible. Owning human beings was horrible based on color of skin or whatever the case may be. In most cases it was because they were black. That's horrible. Now, we disagree fundamentally because you believe that owning a human being as a slave, because you believe it is a human being when you're, I would imagine, at the point of conception, Is that correct?

[Pro-Choice Advocate]

That's what you believe. It's life and 96% of biology.

[Brian Shapiro]

So you think eggs are human beings. Is that a fair characterization?

[Pro-Choice Advocate]

When the egg is fertilized.

[Brian Shapiro]

When it's fertilized, yes.

[Pro-Choice Advocate]

Okay. That is when conception happens.

[Brian Shapiro]

So. So it has to be when life can.

[Pro-Choice Advocate]

That's when life begins.

[Brian Shapiro]

So it has to be fertilized. So let me ask you this fundamental question with the most extreme case first, if a woman is teenage girl, should she victim of incest or should she be forced to have that child?

[Pro-Choice Advocate]

Yes.

[Brian Shapiro]

So you would be prepared to tell a 13 year old girl who was sexually assaulted, even though your family thinks you should get an abortion, even though you desperately want an abortion, even though everybody in your family, including doctors and everybody around you, want the abortion, because you have a different position and even though that doesn't affect you in any way, shape or form, because it's her life, not yours, you want to force all these women, the victims of sexual assault, and tell them to their face you must have that child. Because me, I'm anti abortion. Here's the fundamental difference.

[Pro-Choice Advocate]

So my mother wasn't 13, she was actually 36 when this happened to her. Why don't you go tell that to her face?

[Brian Shapiro]

Tell her what I would say if

[Pro-Choice Advocate]

you could have aborted me.

[Brian Shapiro]

No, no, no, no, no. Here's the difference.

[Pro-Choice Advocate]

No, there's no moral difference between that.

[Brian Shapiro]

Let me explain. No moral difference. For the benefit. Let me explain. You can yell.

[Pro-Choice Advocate]

Every single year.

[Brian Shapiro]

You can yell. Then let me finish. Let me explain to you the difference here. The fundamental difference.

[Pro-Choice Advocate]

Yeah, go ahead.

[Brian Shapiro]

I don't tell women what to do with their bodies. If.

[Pro-Choice Advocate]

Wait, it's not their dn.

[Brian Shapiro]

Let me finish the sentence.

[Pro-Choice Advocate]

Not their DNA.

[Brian Shapiro]

Let me finish.

[Pro-Choice Advocate]

Why don't you answer a biological.

[Brian Shapiro]

Hold on, let me finish my statement because you interrupted me.

[Pro-Choice Advocate]

Your statement Is.

[Brian Shapiro]

No, it's wrong.

[Pro-Choice Advocate]

It's wrong.

[Brian Shapiro]

You're wrong. You're wrong. You're blatantly wrong.

[Anti-War Advocate]

How?

[Brian Shapiro]

Because if that woman wants to have that baby, I think she should do what she wants to do with her body. You're the one who wants to tell people what to do with their bodies. You're the one.

[Pro-Choice Advocate]

It's not her life.

[Brian Shapiro]

Okay, well, you have the right.

[Pro-Choice Advocate]

It's different. Deoxyribin.

[Brian Shapiro]

Okay, guess what? You have the right to feel that way. But you.

[Trump Supporter 1]

It's a fact.

[Pro-Choice Advocate]

It's not a feeling. You are basing everything.

[Brian Shapiro]

So let me ask you how you feel. Feel about women. Absolutely not. Absolutely not. That's an absurd thing that you just

[Pro-Choice Advocate]

can't back up any of this logic with reason.

[Brian Shapiro]

It's all emotion. It's all about so.

[Pro-Choice Advocate]

Oh, well, if the women feels. If the woman feels this or this or this, it's not about.

[Brian Shapiro]

It's emotion. What the hell do you know about being pregnant? You don't know anything about this. You don't know anything about being pregnant.

[Pro-Choice Advocate]

Anything about owning a.

[Brian Shapiro]

Have you even had sex with a woman? Do you even know what that is like?

[Pro-Choice Advocate]

First of all, my sex life with my fiance is.

[Brian Shapiro]

I don't know why you're asking me.

[Pro-Choice Advocate]

That's a little weird.

[Brian Shapiro]

It's a little strange. Yeah, well, that's. I agree. I agree. Just trying to make this even more awkward.

[Pro-Choice Advocate]

45.

[Brian Shapiro]

Okay, but. But hold on a second. So. All right, let's just say you're right. Abortion is immoral. It's murder. What about after the baby is born? Do you think we should care about that child after that? Because you're a Trump supporter, right? Okay, let's talk about that. Hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on. Stop. Let me explain. Abortion center. Hold on. Every. Wait. We're done with the abortion. Top topic now. Let's just say, for the argument's sake, I'll agree with you. Okay? After the baby is born, the people who you support are against maternity leave. They're against.

[Pro-Choice Advocate]

I support. Hold on.

[Brian Shapiro]

You said you don't support Donald Trump.

[Pro-Choice Advocate]

Donald Trump on this policy.

[Brian Shapiro]

No, no, no, no. You voted for Donald Trump, right?

[Pro-Choice Advocate]

I think that we should support mothers way better than.

[Brian Shapiro]

You're not letting me finish. I'm talking about Republican policy. You're not listening. You're not listening.

[Pro-Choice Advocate]

After the baby, I am America first, okay?

[Brian Shapiro]

Yeah, you're America First.

[Pro-Choice Advocate]

Mothers first.

[Brian Shapiro]

Then why are Republicans voting against maternity leave in every bill?

[Pro-Choice Advocate]

They should not be. I criticize them.

[Brian Shapiro]

For that. Why are they against you? Criticize food stamps. Food stamps, health care party.

[Trump Supporter 1]

Right.

[Brian Shapiro]

Of course I can. By the way, I'm not a part of the Democrat Party.

[Pro-Choice Advocate]

You can have your own opinions, Right?

[Brian Shapiro]

I'm not a part of the Democrats Independent party. I criticize anybody on both sides of the aisle if I think they're wrong. I'd be very consistent on that.

[Pro-Choice Advocate]

The. The guy that's actually running for the independent, I believe it, the chair or something like that in Arizona, where I live, he actually says that we should be in this war in Gaza. Do you disagree with him? Do you agree with this?

[Brian Shapiro]

We should be in a war. We should be in a. Of course I disagree with this war.

[Pro-Choice Advocate]

Disagree with another independent. That doesn't mean that you have your own opinions. Man.

[Brian Shapiro]

The point here and say you're missing my point. You're missing my point that they're wrong. You're missing my. Okay, hold on. Forget about the board.

[Pro-Choice Advocate]

My own opinions for myself.

[Trump Supporter 1]

So do you?

[Brian Shapiro]

Yes.

[Pro-Choice Advocate]

Right.

[Brian Shapiro]

Let me, let me finish. Basically every government program to help the needy Republicans constantly vote against. I can give you numerous examples. Okay. The point I'm making is this. I believe you have more credibility when it comes to this issue if you're also for government policy that can help single mothers raise children.

[Pro-Choice Advocate]

I agree.

[Brian Shapiro]

My mother is a single mother. But you support candidates who are voting against these policies. Donald Trump is bad for America because once the baby is born, he literally passes bills and Republicans pass bills that are against maternity leave and health care and anything that can help single mothers and giving them tax credits. You think $1,000 tax credit is enough for a mother to raise a child?

[Pro-Choice Advocate]

Triple it.

[Brian Shapiro]

Do you. Do you know.

[Pro-Choice Advocate]

Do you know we should triple it?

[Brian Shapiro]

Triple. So you think 3,000 is enough?

[Pro-Choice Advocate]

Maybe more?

[Brian Shapiro]

Yeah. Do you know how much money it costs a mother to bring her child to the doctor?

[Pro-Choice Advocate]

6 or 7.

[Brian Shapiro]

Be consistent when it comes to pro life. Be consistent when it comes to pro life.

[Pro-Choice Advocate]

Yes, I am. We should care about the.

[Brian Shapiro]

Don't vote for candidates that are voting against bills that would help mothers and poor women and people in society raise children.

[Pro-Choice Advocate]

These people out of office if they're not going to be pro life.

[Brian Shapiro]

Okay, well, you didn't address what I just said. You didn't, you didn't really address what I said, but I appreciate the COVID I, I addressed everything I just said on emotional. No, it wasn't emotional, but nothing biological.

[Pro-Choice Advocate]

Nothing. Anything back.

[Brian Shapiro]

I appreciate the conversation.

[Trump Supporter 1]

All right. I've totally forgot the problem. I'm being Honest.

[Brian Shapiro]

You forgot the prop. The prop prompt is I think Donald Trump is the greatest president in the history of the world. No, I'm just kidding.

[Trump Supporter 1]

So I guess you're getting somewhere. Yeah.

[Brian Shapiro]

No. Why? I think Trump is bad for America. And the end, I think the end of MAGA is coming in two and a half years or so. Okay. No notes, man.

[Trump Supporter 1]

Well, I'm going to think about what should I address. So as far as the maga. Let me talk about the MAGA thing and then we'll go to some topics. Why I think he's good for America.

[Brian Shapiro]

Sure.

[Trump Supporter 1]

So I, I'm going to say I think MAGA enthusiasm and just the idea of countries switching more to the right has actually expanded and will continue. If you look at Argentina, if you look at El Salvador, if you look at Italy, if you look at Portugal, Japan just elected a more right weak president. All these countries, a lot of countries around the world are starting to shift more to the right and leaving the democratic socialist policies.

[Brian Shapiro]

His poll numbers are in the low 30s.

[Trump Supporter 1]

Trump and Trump. Yeah, currently. But that can also change.

[Brian Shapiro]

It could. But how can you say that he's got all this support.

[Marine Veteran]

I'm not.

[Trump Supporter 1]

Can you let me finish?

[Brian Shapiro]

Yeah.

[Trump Supporter 1]

What I'm saying is Trump was the catalyst behind all these other countries that now are electing more right wing candidates for the first time. That's going to continue rising because a lot of people all over the world are sick of the policies that. I guess you're not a Democrat anymore,

[Brian Shapiro]

but I was never a Democrat.

[Trump Supporter 1]

Push for a Democrat politicians.

[Brian Shapiro]

It seems like I push for decent human beings.

[Trump Supporter 1]

People all over the world are fed up with those policies and have taken a look at what Trump's been able to do, even if it's not perfect and are trying to implement the same things in their country.

[Brian Shapiro]

All right, you're long winded, but let me just respond.

[Trump Supporter 1]

Think it's going.

[Brian Shapiro]

Let me just respond to what you just said. This is the bottom line, I think. Hold on, let me just respond. Let me just respond to what you just said. And I disagree. First of all, Donald Trump has some of the worst poll numbers in American history. Okay. Among independents, he's now polling under 20%. He's in the low 30s. I've seen some polls and by the

[Trump Supporter 1]

way, a lot of CNN polls that say he's very high. Tons of them.

[Brian Shapiro]

What did you just.

[Trump Supporter 1]

I think you're high tons of them.

[Brian Shapiro]

What?

[Trump Supporter 1]

Yeah, there's tons of them.

[Brian Shapiro]

Name me a poll in the last year that shows Donald Trump on cnn after the show. Give me one after the show. Are you high?

[Trump Supporter 1]

No, I'm not. There's tons of polls that cnn, all right, has came out with in the last year that say he's right among his base.

[Brian Shapiro]

That right now every poll, including Fox News and CNN and OAN and Newsmax all show that the Donald Trump poll numbers right now are abysmal. They are the worst in American history. Forget about six months ago or a year from now. They blame Joe Biden.

[Trump Supporter 1]

Biden's polls are pretty bad.

[Brian Shapiro]

Okay, again, this isn't about Joe Biden. I just said the worst in American history. Okay? The fact of the matter is, is that Donald Trump right now is failing this country. It's why I say he's bad for America. You look at inflation, you look at

[Trump Supporter 1]

gas prices, policies, right?

[Brian Shapiro]

Sure.

[Trump Supporter 1]

This is where I stand on it. So I do support the war, like the other guy. You said he didn't do much in the last year and a half. I would. I would push back.

[Brian Shapiro]

So he pardoned a bunch of. January 6th insurrectionist. He did do that.

[Trump Supporter 1]

And you probably didn't actually pardon more people than any other president.

[Brian Shapiro]

Yeah, but what were the crimes?

[Trump Supporter 1]

Pardoned 8,000 people.

[Brian Shapiro]

What were the crimes?

[Trump Supporter 1]

There was tons of violent crimes.

[Brian Shapiro]

Can you give me one specific example?

[Trump Supporter 1]

There was.

[Brian Shapiro]

Name me one person that he. Besides his son.

[Trump Supporter 1]

Hunter Biden.

[Brian Shapiro]

Right, I knew you're gonna bring that up. Let's talk about Hunter Biden. Hold on, hold on.

[Trump Supporter 1]

No, no, no, no, no, no.

[Brian Shapiro]

The people. No, no, no, no, no.

[Trump Supporter 1]

I don't know.

[Brian Shapiro]

I didn't ask you for 8,000. I asked you for one. And the first person you named is Hunter Biden. And now we're going to talk about that. Hunter Biden had an unloaded gun illegally for 13 days. He was a drug addict. Hunter Biden had some tax fraud. You had every single MAGA Republican for years saying they were going to go after Hunter Biden as soon as Joe Biden left office. That is not the same as Donald Trump pardoning a bunch of January 6th insurrectionists, some of whom beat the shit out of police officers. Brian Sitnik died the next day. Multiple officers have traumatic brain injury. Don't compare somebody. Wait a second. I'm not done yet. Give me 10 more seconds. Give me 10 more seconds.

[Trump Supporter 1]

So you.

[Brian Shapiro]

I don't think.

[Trump Supporter 1]

You think out of 8,000 people that Joe Biden pardoned, there's not one fucking person that possibly committed a crime?

[Brian Shapiro]

If it bothers you is egregious. If it bothers you that much.

[Trump Supporter 1]

More people than any other president.

[Brian Shapiro]

The first person. Okay, I'll respond to that. I'll respond to that.

[Trump Supporter 1]

It's so many.

[Brian Shapiro]

I'll respond to that. I will respond to what. Than any other president. Respond to what? You just. I will respond to what. You just. You got to let me respond. First of all, I asked you for a name, and usually when you get. Hold on, let me finish. Let me finish. I'll talk about FY. Thank you for naming two. Thank you for naming two. Okay. I asked you out of the 8,000 people because you seem to be criticizing Joe. I don't think the g. Let me finish, bro.

[Trump Supporter 1]

That bad. To be honest with you.

[Brian Shapiro]

You got to let me finish.

[Trump Supporter 1]

I don't think most of the January people. People were bad.

[Brian Shapiro]

Okay. I didn't say. I didn't say most. Okay. I never said that.

[Trump Supporter 1]

You act like. Because he pardoned all those people, he's a bad person.

[Brian Shapiro]

Yes. When you call all those people.

[Trump Supporter 1]

A lot of them got over.

[Brian Shapiro]

Hold on a second.

[Trump Supporter 1]

A lot of people got Them got over.

[Brian Shapiro]

You could think that they were. I'm not talking. I'm not talking.

[Trump Supporter 1]

And it was law fair and it was a politic. Politicization.

[Brian Shapiro]

It's not going to be any good if we talk over each other.

[Trump Supporter 1]

Crying earlier.

[Brian Shapiro]

I wasn't crying. I wasn't crying. Lying. I was. I was. I was. I was pointing out your hypocr. I was pointing out your hypocrisy.

[Trump Supporter 1]

Being hypocritical.

[Brian Shapiro]

Okay, I just asked you to name me. You got to let me finish, bro. 30 seconds. Okay, you did. I asked you to name me people. Of the 8,000 people who were pardoned. Okay, you gave me Hunter Biden, which is a joke.

[Trump Supporter 1]

He more than any.

[Brian Shapiro]

Hold on, hold on.

[Skeptical Listener]

President.

[Brian Shapiro]

Hold on, let me finish.

[Trump Supporter 1]

That's the most famous one, obviously.

[Brian Shapiro]

No, but. And then you name me Dr. Fauci. Can you please name me a crime that Dr. Fauci has been not only charged with? He lied. I didn't ask if he lied. You hear that, everybody? Lying is a crime. I guess Donald Trump should be charged

[Trump Supporter 1]

80,000 times lied in a congressional hearing three times.

[Brian Shapiro]

That's okay. What profit naming a crime that he committed and made?

[Trump Supporter 1]

Royalties.

[Brian Shapiro]

Where is that putting a false narrative.

[Trump Supporter 1]

Where has that been proven that later was proven false.

[Brian Shapiro]

What crime? I already told you that he was never charged. He lied.

[Trump Supporter 1]

Nobody charged him three times.

[Brian Shapiro]

Nobody charged him.

[Trump Supporter 1]

Testimonies.

[Brian Shapiro]

Nobody charged the record.

[Trump Supporter 1]

You can Google it.

[Brian Shapiro]

Do you want to talk about lies?

[Trump Supporter 1]

He also pro.

[Brian Shapiro]

What was he Charged with off of the.

[Trump Supporter 1]

The biggest pandemic in the history of the world.

[Brian Shapiro]

Where was that proven? Where did the money come from?

[Trump Supporter 1]

All public. It's all.

[Brian Shapiro]

No, no, I didn't ask you why

[Trump Supporter 1]

did he get preemptively pardon.

[Brian Shapiro]

I'm asking you a very specific. I'm asking you if So I will answer that. I will answer that. I will answer Trump was the one. I will answer that.

[Trump Supporter 1]

Why would he be worried about Trump?

[Brian Shapiro]

I will answer that. I wasn't sure if that was a rhetorical question or not. Same thing with Hunter Biden. Now, first of all, I just want to be clear and be factual. To this day, Dr. Fauci has not been charged with a crime. That's number one.

[Trump Supporter 1]

He was preemptively. How would he be charged?

[Brian Shapiro]

Okay, he could have been charged with a crime. He's never been charged with a crime. Number two, he can't be charged with. Number two, all the claims, how it worked, all the. Here's a guy. I do all that.

[Trump Supporter 1]

That was auto.

[Brian Shapiro]

All the.

[Trump Supporter 1]

By the way.

[Brian Shapiro]

Okay, so the point that he didn't actually cited him. You want to talk about auto pen? Yeah.

[Trump Supporter 1]

Isn't that a crime?

[Brian Shapiro]

Let's talk about. Let's talk about auto.

[Trump Supporter 1]

But all the people Trump pardoned. Let's talk about how is a president.

[Brian Shapiro]

Let's talk about that. To let me know when you're finished.

[Trump Supporter 1]

Pardon people. When he's not even physically signing.

[Brian Shapiro]

Let me know when you're finished. Okay, I'll respond to that. So first of all, Donald Trump has

[Trump Supporter 1]

been asked Biden pardon more people than any other US President.

[Brian Shapiro]

President, let me know when you're finished.

[Trump Supporter 1]

It's funny, but it's true.

[Brian Shapiro]

No, I think you're embarrassing yourself. Let me know when you're finished.

[Trump Supporter 1]

Is it bad to pardon people? Is that your point?

[Brian Shapiro]

Can I respond now? Is that okay, first of all, my position on pardons is I don't think any president should have the authority to pardon anybody. You didn't even bother to ask me that until now. Number two, you mentioned auto pen. First of all, it's never been proven that Joe Biden used the auto pen. Number three. There he goes again. Ten. Let me finish. Who?

[Trump Supporter 1]

Pierre.

[Brian Shapiro]

Who? I'm sorry, The.

[Trump Supporter 1]

The former press secretary.

[Brian Shapiro]

What's her name again?

[Marine Veteran]

Her.

[Trump Supporter 1]

John. Pierre Perrine. Pierre.

[Brian Shapiro]

Yeah. Her name's not John. That's a female. Yeah.

[Trump Supporter 1]

You know who I'm talking about?

[Brian Shapiro]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Trump Supporter 1]

So Lindsay Lee, who was so.

[Brian Shapiro]

So on the record, she said that the auto Democrats. Okay, so let's Talk about Lindsay Lee,

[Trump Supporter 1]

one of the Democratic.

[Brian Shapiro]

Sure. So let me ask.

[Trump Supporter 1]

Fundraisers.

[Brian Shapiro]

Okay, so let me respond. Let me responded.

[Trump Supporter 1]

That a lot of happening.

[Brian Shapiro]

Let me finish.

[Trump Supporter 1]

No, she's an honest person.

[Brian Shapiro]

Oh, she's very honest. She's on.

[Trump Supporter 1]

Okay, so most of the people in the.

[Brian Shapiro]

All right, let me respond to the auto.

[Trump Supporter 1]

A lot of things.

[Brian Shapiro]

Let me just respond to what you said about the auto. Let me respond. So Donald Trump pardoned one of the biggest drug trap. Hold on. There he goes.

[Trump Supporter 1]

I know. He parted four seconds. People that.

[Brian Shapiro]

Hold on a second. You're not even letting me finish. Dude, I'm not talking about how bad the pardon is. There's a reason why I'm bringing it up. He pardoned one of the biggest drug traffickers from another country, was convicted in this country. We're talking like billions and billions of dollars worth of cocaine. Okay. When he was asked about it, and he's been asked about this pardon multiple times. Yes. He said he didn't even remember and didn't know who he was. So please don't fucking lecture me on auto pen when the president that is in office right now doesn't even fucking know the pardon that he issued to one of the biggest drug traffickers in the history of the world. Are you even aware of that? He didn't even know his name. He didn't even know what his name was. And you're talking to me and lecturing me about.

[Anti-War Advocate]

Autopad meets tons of people.

[Trump Supporter 1]

You know, you know, you know how many people have been. Do you think he knows every single January 6th person that he pardoned by name?

[Brian Shapiro]

He knows what they did.

[Trump Supporter 1]

That's ridiculous.

[Brian Shapiro]

He knows what they did.

[Trump Supporter 1]

You think Joe Biden knows all the people.

[Brian Shapiro]

He knows what they did.

[Trump Supporter 1]

That's ridiculous.

[Brian Shapiro]

Well, if you have one of them.

[Trump Supporter 1]

Ridiculous.

[Brian Shapiro]

So let's go with this. You're. You're, you're attacking the President of the United States. Let me get this right.

[Trump Supporter 1]

Millions of people are.

[Brian Shapiro]

You're attacking Joe Biden for allegedly. Hold on.

[Trump Supporter 1]

It's two different things, though.

[Brian Shapiro]

Hold on. It's not two different things. Okay?

[Trump Supporter 1]

Yes, it is.

[Brian Shapiro]

No, it's not.

[Trump Supporter 1]

Yes, it is. Let me tell you how. Because Trump actually signed it physically with a pen.

[Brian Shapiro]

Oh, my God.

[Trump Supporter 1]

Biden didn't actually do that.

[Brian Shapiro]

Is this your.

[Trump Supporter 1]

That's what makes it different.

[Brian Shapiro]

Is this a argument? I can't believe what I'm hearing right now. All right, so. So let's. Let me get this right.

[Moderate Republican]

If he's sitting.

[Brian Shapiro]

Let me respond.

[Trump Supporter 1]

Sitting in Trump's Inauguration and simultaneously pardons are being signed while he's not even physically in the room where the pardons are being.

[Brian Shapiro]

Let me respond.

[Trump Supporter 1]

How is that comparable to Donald Trump?

[Brian Shapiro]

I will explain who actually signed. I will explain. If you will allow me to respond. I will explain to what you just said. You can try. You are, you are making the allegation, allegedly that you have a problem with.

[Trump Supporter 1]

Joe made a lot of allegations against Trump.

[Brian Shapiro]

So let me know when I can

[Trump Supporter 1]

play that game all day.

[Brian Shapiro]

Here's what I'm asking for. Give me the same amount of time that your guy lasted with Stormy Daniels. Can we do that? It's like 13 seconds. Can you give me fucking 13 seconds? Okay, please.

[Trump Supporter 1]

I'll start counting.

[Brian Shapiro]

Thank you. Thank you. And here's, here's the best part about it. I don't have to pay you $130,000 in hush money. Okay, so you're making the argument that Joe Biden didn't know what the hell he was doing. He used the auto pen and I don't know, he was senile or in the bunker. Okay, if that's the argument.

[Trump Supporter 1]

His own cabinet.

[Brian Shapiro]

That wasn't 13 seconds. If that's the argument that you are making, if that's the argument that you are making, then you also have to make the argument when you pardon one of the biggest traffickers, drug traffickers, who brought in billions of dollars of cocaine illegally into the United States. God knows how many people died because of this monster Donald Trump. Not only people did. Hold on, let me finish. Let me land my plane. Me finish. I know you don't want to talk about this. Forget about the people.

[Trump Supporter 1]

By the way, defending.

[Brian Shapiro]

Not only did Donald Trump not defending the guy, not only did Donald Trump pardon him, but here's the kicker, he didn't even know his name and he didn't even know anything about it. Now, I think he's lying. I think he knew exactly who he was pardoning. But if the argument.

[Trump Supporter 1]

At least he signed it.

[Brian Shapiro]

If he. Okay.

[Trump Supporter 1]

At least it wasn't an autoin.

[Brian Shapiro]

Okay, well, yeah, it wasn't.

[Trump Supporter 1]

Yeah, I guess he. I guess every president is supposed to know every fucking person.

[Brian Shapiro]

No, I think when you, when you give a pardon to one of those biggest druggist traffickers in the world and yet you invade another country. When you. Hold on. When you invade another country and you say Maduro is. Is bad, which he is, and you make the case we. We needed to get Maduro, which, by the way, I don't defend Maduro. But then a couple months earlier, you claim about how horrible Maduro was with the drug trafficking, but yet literally, a couple months earlier, you literally pardon one of the biggest drug traffickers in the history of the world. It's called fucking hypocrisy. And that's why Donald Trump is bad for America. Thank you. Thank you.

[Anti-War Advocate]

Obviously, there's tons of semantics with this argument, but there's main points that I hear all the time, and I'm hearing from you today with everybody here, it's about the war with Iran. You said yourself if Kamala Harris was president, this war would not be happening.

[Brian Shapiro]

Yeah, I believe that.

[Anti-War Advocate]

I cannot stand this argument because this war is not because of Trump. Like you said yourself, Tulsi Gabbard, his own advisor, is advising against it, advising against the weapons of mass destruction. There's no bombs there. We've bombed them. There's no threat. The only threat here that's bringing us into this war is Israel and the government of Israel. Let me finish, please. You know, I. I'll let you talk about that. No offense, but I'll let you speak if you let me speak. So BB Netanyahu is dragging the US into this war. Since the 1990s, he's been going to Congress saying there's weapons of mass destruction. There are no weapons of mass destruction. Thus we're being dragged in this war.

[Brian Shapiro]

I agree.

[Anti-War Advocate]

Kamala Harris were doing the same exact thing. What was Kamala Harris's campaign policy about Israel?

[Brian Shapiro]

Do you know it? So, dude, here's exactly her foreign policy when it comes to Israel. Well, I will say this. She did believe that we should obviously defend Israel because there are allies. But I will also say this. Even on her way out the door, as she was leaving office, she was supposed to have a meeting with Benjamin Netanyahu. She didn't even want to meet with him. I will. I will say this. As far as the relationship between Donald Trump and Benjamin Netanyahu, for whatever reason, and I don't know why Donald Trump is being played as a fiddle. Now, the reason why I don't think we would have gone to war in Iran is I base it on Democrat policy and her foreign policy. Yes, of course she believes that we should defend Israel and there are allies. But here's the difference. And I made this point earlier, my friend. If Iran has had attacked Israel, I would be for this war 100%. And the same reason why we are backing Ukraine. Right. But I don't believe Kamala Harris would have gotten us into this war based on a whim. Donald Trump literally said That I had a feeling. Do you really believe that? When. If Kamala Harris was asked, and she went to war with Iran, which I don't believe she would have. If she was asked, kamala, madam President, why did you go to war with Iran? And she responded, I just had a feeling. That's what Donald Trump said. There's no evidence of an imminent threat that Iran had with the United States. There's no evidence of that. There's also no evidence of an imminent threat to Israel. Okay.

[Anti-War Advocate]

So I agree with those stances. But the main reason, like I said, we're in this war.

[Brian Shapiro]

Yeah.

[Anti-War Advocate]

Because the people advising Trump from Israel

[Brian Shapiro]

are advising him because he was manipulated. I agree.

[Anti-War Advocate]

Let you finish.

[Trump Supporter 1]

Come on.

[Anti-War Advocate]

A hypocrite. Bibi Netanyahu has been telling people since the 90s, like I said, that there's web's mass destruction, that we need to be involved in the war. He's been abiding by Trump saying, hey, you need to do these preemptive strikes.

[Brian Shapiro]

Yeah.

[Anti-War Advocate]

He's telling Trump to do these things. Again, I think there's special interests involved. There's money involved with.

[Brian Shapiro]

Can I. Can I respond to what you just said about.

[Pro-Choice Advocate]

I'm going to.

[Brian Shapiro]

Sorry, go ahead.

[Anti-War Advocate]

Eventually.

[Brian Shapiro]

Yep.

[Anti-War Advocate]

Donald Trump obviously has money involved in the Middle East. He takes money from aipac.

[Brian Shapiro]

Right.

[Anti-War Advocate]

You would agree financial instances may be the reason why they're involved. Guess who also has a financial interest with the Israeli lobby? Kamala Harris. Not only does Donald Trump and many Republicans and Democrats take money from aipac, which should be registered as a foreign lobby, Kamala Harris took millions of dollars from aipac, which is special interest for Israel. Every politician is bounded by special interest.

[Disillusioned Voter]

Interest.

[Anti-War Advocate]

She was bought up by Israel as well. She would have the same exact thing.

[Brian Shapiro]

Okay, so you had just made the case that, you know, since the early 90s, which I tend to agree with you, Benjamin Netanyahu has been pressuring. He pressured Barack Obama to go to war. Absolutely. He certainly pressured Joe Biden to go to war. But here's the bottom line. Regardless of what you might think Kamala would or wouldn't have done, regardless of your AIPAC and all this other stuff that you're bringing up, here's the bottom line. They didn't. Barack Obama got 97% of the uranium without putting one boot on the ground. Joe Biden did not go to war with Iran. So by your premise, you're saying, well, listen, Benjamin Netanyahu has been doing this since the early 90s. Again, I agree with you. But here's the difference, the person that gave in and the person that said, okay, Bibi, okay. Is a guy by the name of Donald J. Trump. While our brave men and women in uniform are coming home in caskets while this war is costing us $2 billion a day, Donald Trump is the guy that gave in. You're making my point for me. I don't disagree with the Israeli government. I don't defend the Israeli government. And by the way, I don't think it's anti Semitic to criticize the Israeli government. And I hate it when people say that. And this is coming from a Jewish man. Okay? I believe Israel should exist. Okay. Good people in Israel. Benjamin Yahoo. Is. Is beyond corrupt. Beyond corrupt. Okay? But facts do matter. And even regardless of Benjamin Netanyahu's antics, behaviors, and trying to coax the United States into what I believe to be an ill advised war, the one guy who gave in is the guy who you voted for.

[Pro-Choice Advocate]

War.

[Anti-War Advocate]

And it's not just, it's not just Trump. If Kamala was in the same position, would happen. Now look at the previous worries we've had. There have been campaigns to drag us into these wars. When Bush was in office, it wasn't just, bam, we're on war now. They led campaigns to convince the American people to be led.

[Brian Shapiro]

They lost.

[Anti-War Advocate]

Just like World War I, just like World War II. They can't just jump on the board of going into war. Yeah, the, the military industrial complex is a profitable business. This is why we're involved. Because there's profit from it. The reason why it takes so long to enter these wars, because they prolong it. There's a campaign to get involved. Not only Obama, Biden and previous presidents as well have been involved in the Middle East. Obama drone strike like crazy. He killed the US Citizens in the Middle East. He's killed innocent people. He's blown up hospitals, he's killed women and children. I don't hear Democrats. Like I said, you're not a Democrat. You said it many times. But you don't hear many people in the aisle accuse or go after Obama for doing, honestly, worse things than Trump did in this term.

[Trump Supporter 1]

Again.

[Anti-War Advocate]

And most Republicans, I can tell you right now, are against this war the second term. But again, this is a buildup to the war. You can't just hop on a train if we're starting war tomorrow. It's a buildup. Each administration before Donald Trump has been building up to this war, whether it's establishing an embassy in Jerusalem, whether it's bombing the Middle east, bombing all the proxies in Iran going against their funders, people behind them, propping them financially. And you also did say before there was no new wars or you said wars weren't started by previous administrations. The Ukraine and Russia war were started under the Biden administration.

[Brian Shapiro]

That war has lasted a long time,

[Anti-War Advocate]

but it was spiked under the Biden

[Brian Shapiro]

administration, just like this Middle Eastern conflict.

[Trump Supporter 1]

No, no, no, no, no.

[Anti-War Advocate]

I let you. Biden's just like the Middle Eastern conflict has been going on since anybody before everyone in this room has been born. It's been spiked under Trump's administration. But these wars have been going for a long time, but they've spiked again.

[Brian Shapiro]

Again, facts matter. Okay? And I'm going to throw. Hold on.

[Anti-War Advocate]

You let me finish, man. You.

[Brian Shapiro]

I thought you were done. Out. I thought you were done. I'm sorry. Go ahead and finish.

[Anti-War Advocate]

I appreciate you.

[Brian Shapiro]

I thought you were done.

[Anti-War Advocate]

Each president has done something with war, whether it's Russia and Ukraine, whether it's Obama bombing women and children or Donald Trump being involved and dragged in this war. It's being dragged in by special interest by BB Netanyahu controlling all of these politicians because they go all to Israel and kiss the wall and take money from apac. So it's not a individual decision. It's influence and control. And honestly, I think it probably has to do with blackmail, but that's conspiracy. I'm not going to go down.

[Brian Shapiro]

Okay. So first of all, we hear a lot of MAGA Republicans over and over again when it comes to this war, blame Joe Biden. The fact of the matter is, is that this war was not started under Joe Biden. If you're going to talk. Hold on. If you're going to talk about Ukraine, the fact of the matter is if you're going to blame Joe Biden for the evil murderous dictator who Joe Biden did call out as such. Donald Trump has never called him a dictator. He's called actually Zelensky a dictator. Just because it happened under Joe Biden. I'll give you an example of what I'm talking about. Let's talk about the pandemic for a moment. The pandemic started under Donald Trump. I've never blamed Donald Trump for this global pandemic. Now, I did blame him for his response to it, which I thought was an F minus. Just like I wouldn't blame Joe Biden for the gas prices when we were getting out of a pandemic and the war had started. This was a choice. Now you can say this has been going on for years and I Blame Barack Obama and I blame Biden. You're entitled to that opinion. But again, facts matter. The last ill advised war we got into, the last war we got into was under George W. Bush. This war was under Donald J. Trump. Now, you can shake your head and say, no, I blame Joe Biden. But last I checked, it wasn't under Joe Biden. And also in Donald Trump's first administration, I keep hearing people out there, you know, they blame Joe Biden for this Afghan withdrawal where I believe if it was 13 innocent soldiers who were killed. Okay? So John Bolton, who worked in the Trump administration, said that his policy was identical to the policy withdrawal. It was horrible. But I don't hear you guys talking about the 5,000 Taliban terrorists that Donald Trump released and then he invited them to Camp David. I don't hear you guys talking about all the deaths. Do you know how many soldiers died in Afghanistan when Donald Trump was president? First go around.

[Anti-War Advocate]

Too many.

[Brian Shapiro]

Okay, but you don't know the number. Okay, it was over 160. Now, one innocent soldier dying is one too many. I agree with you. The reason why I bring this up is because they all want to talk about the withdrawal and the 13 soldiers that died under Joe Biden, which is horrible. But what they don't want to talk about is the fact that Donald Trump didn't go to any of those funerals of all those soldiers that died. Donald Trump didn't go to any fallen officers funerals. The only funerals he went to under Joe Biden was for political gain. It is despicable. It is disgusting. I don't like anybody who uses anybody's death for political gain. Donald Trump does it constantly and I think it's wrong. And that's why I believe Donald Trump. One of the many reasons of why I think Trump is bad for America. I respectfully disagree with you. If you're gonna blame Joe Biden and Barack Obama. The fact of the matter is we could talk about bombs and innocent people dying, which is all terrible, but they did not get us into a war. George W. Bush got us into a war. Donald Trump got us into a war. He lied to people like you. He said he would be a peace president. Did he not say that? He said he'd be a peace president and he said he wouldn't. No regime change and he wouldn't get us into any new wars. He has set a precedence around the world with what he did when it comes to Venezuela. He set the precedent which says if another country thinks that a president is bad and they Committed crimes. We could go into that country and kidnap the president. I'm not defending this guy. He's a bad guy. But that is the precedent that. That Donald J. Trump has sent. That is bad foreign policy. It's dangerous for the world. And that's part of the reason why I think he's bad for America.

[Trump Supporter 3]

Sure.

[Anti-War Advocate]

I'm gonna respond to some main points. I sat patiently, let you speak. I'd do the same thing. So I'm going to start off with the wars. I never said Biden started the war, never said Obama started the war. I said they caused spikes in the war. The Ukraine and Russia conflict's been going for so long, he spiked the war. Kamala Harris was supposed to go there, meet with them. She didn't bother meeting with Putin. She said, I'm only meeting with Zelensky. Trump said, I'm going to meet with both sides, which he did, by the way. He also tried to get to middle together. Didn't happen. He tried bringing them together. Kamala Harris and Biden did not. That's the reason why the war was prolonged, because they didn't even care to actually bring them together.

[Trump Supporter 1]

2.

[Anti-War Advocate]

Sure, Biden went to some funerals for some US soldiers, but I don't think any here forgets the fact that he looked at his watch because he was so bored watching US Soldiers dead be carried beside him. And now I'm going to talk about the Afghanistan situation. Yes, those 13 soldiers were killed by the terrorists in the Middle east because of Biden's botched pullout. Yes, if you follow the guidelines, it was virtually the same as Trump's. But Trump had a slow withdrawal under his administration. It was slowly going. He wasn't going to completely pull out and leave billions of dollars worth of equipment, by the way, which Biden did and gave to the Taliban, which they now rule that country, by the way. Kidneys are so cheap there because everyone's selling their kidneys because they have no money there. It's that cheap. And my point I'm trying to make here is Biden, instead of prolonging it and doing a slow withdrawal, he just took everybody out in one day. The Afghanistan soldiers. And I guarantee he knows, too, because he's a veteran. The US Soldiers trained the Afghan residents there to fight against terrorists. And guess what they woke up to the next morning?

[Brian Shapiro]

Gone.

[Anti-War Advocate]

The US Soldiers were gone. Their only hope to save that country and protect them were gone because Biden withdrew in a single night. That led to 13 US soldiers being killed, which is. I don't say it lightly. Yes. I said every one soldiers. Too many soldiers dead and it happens under every administration. That botched pull out was nothing like Donald Trump was doing. Well, those three points, I just completely destroyed your points.

[Brian Shapiro]

I hope you did not see, but you won't. You did not. Because I just gave you John Bolton, who worked in Donald Trump's administration. Administration that I think knows a little bit more. Hold on. The guy's a sham if he disagrees with you. Okay, that's fair. That's very fair. So a guy that worked for multiple presidents, a guy that knew everything when it came to Donald Trump's foreign policy, said that Donald Trump's pullout was exactly the same as Joe Biden. I want to mention something else here real quickly because I think this is so insane because I've talked about this with a lot of people. You mentioned Joe Biden taking literally a half a second to look at his watch. First of all, if you look at almost every single one of Donald Trump's or I'm sorry, Joe Biden's press conferences, almost every single one of his public events, it was almost like a nervous tick. He looked at his watch a lot. That's number one. Number two, I noticed something you didn't bring up. And this happened a few months ago. Donald Trump was wearing one of his Trump hats, the kind of Trump hat that he was selling and still sells on some websites. Donald Trump refused to take his hat off when we had those brave men and women in uniform coming home in caskets. You know why? And by the way, people in his administration have commented on this. Because of his hair, because he didn't want his fake hair. The guy with hair transplants floating up in the wind. So it was more important for the man who you support to make sure his hair didn't blow up in the wind than showing the respect for our brave men and women in uniform. But I noticed you don't criticize Donald Trump for. I don't think it's funny. You don't criticize Donald Trump for wearing a hat, one of the hats that he sells. Stupid. It's stupid. Why didn't you bring that up, though? Why? Only Joe Biden the first time I'm

[Anti-War Advocate]

hearing about it, to be quite honest.

[Moderate Republican]

Yeah.

[Brian Shapiro]

Wait, wait, hold on.

[Anti-War Advocate]

Never heard about it before and I'm calling it stupid now. It's the first time I've heard about that. By the way, it's not as bad as Jon's done.

[Brian Shapiro]

Hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on. So you notice Joe Biden years ago, a half a second glance on his watch. But what you are completely ignorant to or unaware of is something that happened literally a month and a half ago that was even on every. In fact, Fox News played old footage of Donald Trump in the first administration. It was a whole scandal because they didn't want to show the actual footage of Trump wearing one of his hats that he sells because he didn't want his hair in the wind. So you don't know anything about this, that just happened a month and a half ago? Hat.

[Anti-War Advocate]

He wears his red hat all the damn time.

[Brian Shapiro]

So you're okay with that?

[Anti-War Advocate]

No, I just said it's stupid. And by the way, Joe Biden wasn't always just, oh, what's the time?

[Brian Shapiro]

What's the time?

[Anti-War Advocate]

It was at this, this exact moment where I knew his soldiers were dead. Being brought by. I can't see. I've never seen pinpoint pointed. Another moment where he had his watch on. He's looking because he's late for something because we know he wasn't. He's never late for anything because he's not running the country in the first.

[Brian Shapiro]

Okay, well again, if you want to talk about veterans, I also do want

[Anti-War Advocate]

to say the poll out in Afghanistan saying it was different under Trump to Biden, it was a slow withdrawal, the plan was the same, yet theirs was hyper fixated on the polling out in one day.

[Brian Shapiro]

That's not a slow, that's quick, quickly. I just want to say this, if we're talking about veterans, absolutely. Obviously Beau Biden served this country honorably. I'm trying to remember, I'm forgetting his name of the man who, gosh, I just don't remember his name. The guy that dodged the military five times. I'm also remembering the guy who said he didn't respect John McCain because he was captured. I'm also remembering the guy who called our brave men and women in uniforms, according to General Kelly, a four star general. Suckers and losers. If you can find me anything that Joe Biden has ever done or said about our veterans that rises to that level of disrespect, I'm open ears. Go.

[Anti-War Advocate]

I condemn all those and I always have.

[Brian Shapiro]

Just, can you name me one thing that Joe Biden has ever said that rises to that level of disrespect?

[Anti-War Advocate]

He killed 13 US soldiers.

[Brian Shapiro]

Box.

[Marine Veteran]

Polar.

[Trump Supporter 2]

Don't.

[Brian Shapiro]

Oh, please.

[Anti-War Advocate]

Bullshit.

[Brian Shapiro]

I said something. Said and killed.

[Anti-War Advocate]

Said and killed. Tell me what's worse.

[Brian Shapiro]

What's worse? All right, God, thank you. All right, Simon, tell me why I'M wrong? Yeah. Okay. I think Trump is bad for America.

[Constitutionalist Trump Supporter]

I think Trump is great for America. I think you're dead wrong.

[Brian Shapiro]

On what issue?

[Constitutionalist Trump Supporter]

I think first and foremost, Trump has changed the narrative globally about American strength in terms of our military prowess and our economic prowess.

[Brian Shapiro]

So let's talk about economic prowess. Is it good for America that Americans are spending, on average, four and a half dollars a gallon for gas?

[Constitutionalist Trump Supporter]

It is in the long run.

[Brian Shapiro]

Okay, so you're making an assumption right now it's not good, but you're thinking in the long run, it is good. Okay, what about inflation, up 0.6%? The fact that inflation is the highest it's been in three years, is that good for America?

[Constitutionalist Trump Supporter]

Again, it is in the long run, because what's happening is that Trump is kicking out all the illegal immigration immigrants. And a point I made earlier is that robotics and AI are going to be taking over most of those jobs. Logistics, agriculture.

[Brian Shapiro]

Do you care about our Constitution?

[Constitutionalist Trump Supporter]

Sure, I love our Constitution.

[Brian Shapiro]

What does it say in our Constitution about due process? Are you unaware? In the Constitution, it says every person has the right to due process. It doesn't say every citizen. Our forefathers put that in the Constitution. Is Donald Trump abiding by our Constitution and giving every undocumented immigrant due process? You said you care about our Constitution.

[Constitutionalist Trump Supporter]

Right for the Constitution protects Americans.

[Brian Shapiro]

No, I repeat, once again, in our Constitution, verbatim, it says any person. If our forefathers agreed with you, they would have said any citizen. It literally says verbatim, any person has the right to due process. So, example, when you have people that are seeking asylum from Mexico, for example, and they're filing the proper paperwork and they're showing up in court, it is illegal for the Trump administration to deport them. What is the Trump administration doing? They're deporting those people. It's illegal. You say you care about our Constitution, but yet you're making the case that they said citizens. I'm telling you verbatim, that's not true. It says any person has the right to due process. Okay, in a perfect world, I agree with you. I wish everybody was in this country legally. That's not the case right now.

[Constitutionalist Trump Supporter]

Was America founded to give foreigners due process?

[Brian Shapiro]

America was founded by immigrants.

[Constitutionalist Trump Supporter]

Was America founded to give foreigners due process?

[Brian Shapiro]

I just told you what it says in the Constitution. Doesn't that answer that question? In the Constitution, it says any person has the right to due process. They're taking away their First, Third and Fourth Amendment rights. Away. You said you're A constitutionalist or you believe in our Constitution? Trump is literally ripping up parts of our Constitution as we speak. Are you aware that it is illegal in certain countries for us to deport people when they are seeking asylum? Donald Trump is doing that. They're literally tackling grandmothers in front of courtrooms. If you're a constitutionalist, you can't be okay with that. You can't be okay with that. I know you're not okay with that. Just admit you're not okay with it.

[Constitutionalist Trump Supporter]

Well, my original point was that Trump has changed the global perception of American strength. And now you're talking about.

[Brian Shapiro]

Okay, well, that's. I guess that's subjective. I think there's a lot of world leaders that are laughing at this orange turd. That's my personal opinion. But with that being said, we're talking about the Constitution. We're talking about immigration. You seem to have a problem with illegal immigrants. You are aware, per capita, you have the better chance of being the victim of a crime from an American citizen than you do an undocumented immigrant. You are aware of that, right?

[Trump Supporter 1]

Sure.

[Constitutionalist Trump Supporter]

I'm not talking about crime.

[Brian Shapiro]

Okay, so what is your problem with. With those that are in this country? Let's just say someone who's been in this country for 20 or 30 years, hypothetically speaking, they have a family here, they work. You don't think there should be a pathway for citizenship for nonviolent criminals that have been in this country for decades, that have families here you want to rip up?

[Constitutionalist Trump Supporter]

I don't say that. I think the law should change.

[Trump Supporter 1]

Change.

[Constitutionalist Trump Supporter]

But I think in the meantime, they should leave. While they wait for them to change,

[Brian Shapiro]

what are they going to change? What's the proposal from Donald Trump? You think Trump is great for America?

[Constitutionalist Trump Supporter]

I don't think there is a good proposal.

[Brian Shapiro]

So why would you deport people and separate families when there's no proposal and you think it's wrong? Why should we do it?

[Constitutionalist Trump Supporter]

To uphold the laws.

[Brian Shapiro]

You're saying you're okay with people that have lived in this country for decades, with families that are nonviolent criminals, deported, but you're also saying, well, you know, we need some sort of planned for pathway to citizenship. I asked you, what is Donald Trump's plan? He doesn't have one. So then why would you be okay with him deporting all these people?

[Constitutionalist Trump Supporter]

Because until we have a plan, we have to deport them.

[Brian Shapiro]

And what's the plan?

[Constitutionalist Trump Supporter]

We don't have one yet, do we?

[Brian Shapiro]

So you want to rip apart all these families that are non violent. You think this is the problem in America?

[Constitutionalist Trump Supporter]

They wanted to rip apart their family when they chose to cross the border.

[Brian Shapiro]

Or maybe. Or maybe. Or maybe they wanted. Or maybe they wanted a better life for their choice. Or maybe they wanted a better life for themselves. Maybe they wanted a better life for themselves and their families.

[Constitutionalist Trump Supporter]

Maybe an entrepreneur in Mexico being.

[Brian Shapiro]

You think it's that easy? Can, you know, can you put yourself. Can you put.

[Constitutionalist Trump Supporter]

Figure it out.

[Brian Shapiro]

Can you put yourself in.

[Constitutionalist Trump Supporter]

I figured it out here in America.

[Brian Shapiro]

Well, yeah, that's because you have a privilege and you were born here. Okay? They didn't have that privilege. It's very different. Can you put yourself in their position? This is one of my biggest issues with respect to Trump supporters or people that think everybody should be deported. The problem I have with so many Trump supporters around this country is they can't see themselves in the lens of somebody else that is less fortunate. The argument is always deport, deport, deport. Let me tell you something, my friend. These people are not all going to their children and kidnap their families. Most of these people are decent, hardworking people. And I got an argument from this. Not you, but a moron the other day. You know what he said to me? He said, brian, what was his name? Peterson. I think his name was Peterson. I did. Stupid moron. I did a show the other day. And he. And he says to me, brian, would you be okay with undocumented immigrants breaking into your home? Would you allow them to stay there? I hear this argument from these magtards all the time, pardon my French. I said, well, first of all, one is a felony. It's called breaking and entering. Another one is a misdemeanor. We're talking about a misdemeanor. And you voted for a guy who's a 34 count felon. I can't put those two together. These are people who committed a misdemeanor who have lived in this country for decades. We're talking about a jaywalking ticket. Why should we rip apart families? And why shouldn't there be a pathway to citizenship? Another argument I hear from MAGA Republicans is this. And then I'll shut up because I want to hear you respond. Last thing I'll say is this. I hear this other argument from MAGA Republicans. Well, just come in the right way. We want you here. Just do it the right way. Okay, which party is the party that's trying to make it easier for undocumented immigrants to become legal? Which is the party that wants it to stay the same or make it harder. Do you know it takes some people 10 or 15 years to become legal citizens? So if you think, and I hope you do, that a lot of these people are decent people, why would you vote for the party that wants to make it more difficult for these people? Many of them good, hard working people. You have the Democrat Party that wants to make it easier. Don't you think if it was easier for all these people to come here, they would do it the right way? It's not, it's very difficult. It takes a very long time. Go ahead, sir.

[Constitutionalist Trump Supporter]

Every company, every country, every first world country has a very difficult process to become a citizen. It's very long, very difficult. I lived in the UK for 6 years, got indefinite leave to remain after 6 years, after working there, paying taxes, etc. Took me several months to get the right paperwork to even get over there. Even with a bachelor's degree, even with work experience, etc. So it's we, we seem to think in the US that we need to just make it easier for everyone. No other country is worried about that. We're the only country that worries about that.

[Brian Shapiro]

So don't you think we should be consistent? And let's forget about all the other countries for a moment because this is still the United States of America, the land of the free right and we were founded on immigrants. Don't you think it's the responsibility of both parties to say, hey, we have an immigration problem here, we need to fix it. Let's try to work together and let's make that. Hold on, let's make the process of becoming naturalized a little easier. Now I think everybody should be vetted. I'm not saying everybody should just come into this country. I think everybody should be vetted. But the fact that some of these people do it the right way and they have to wait 10 or 15 years to become legalized citizens is insane. It's insane. The Democrat party wants to make it shorter, easier process the Republican Party. And why is that? I wonder why. I'll tell you why.

[Constitutionalist Trump Supporter]

Make it easier to stay or to

[Brian Shapiro]

become naturalized, all the above. To become naturalized citizens. Now here's my hypothesis and you could tell me whether you disagree or not. I believe most MAGA Republicans do not want minorities in this country. I've always believed that it was never about make America great again, it was about make America white again. Why? Because the majority of minorities in this country vote Democrat. The reason why they vote Democrat, and there's a lot of reasons, is first of all, I believe that Republican policy is for the elitists. I always believe that. I always will believe that the more immigrants that come into this country, the better chance that Democrats have to win. It's why in almost every election, not all of them, I understand Trump won the popular vote in the last one. Almost every election, Democrats win the popular vote. Hillary Clinton won the popular vote. Why is that? Because most people believe in Democrat policy, not Republican policy. It's the whole reason why we have the Electoral College.

[Trump Supporter 2]

Okay?

[Brian Shapiro]

If it wasn't for the Electoral College, you guys would be fucking destroyed almost every four years. Except for the last election, I'll give you that. Minorities vote Democrat. Democrat policies benefit minorities far more than Republican policy. 13% of this country is African American, yet 1% of the Republican Party is represented by African Americans. Geez, I wonder why that is. There is one party that wants more minorities in this country and want people to come to this country that are hard working. They want the pathway to be easier. There's another portion, the main portion of the Republican Party that do not want brown people here. It's make America white again. That. Is this what it really means? It was never about making America great. There's nothing great about what happened to Alex Brady or Renee Goode. There's nothing great about what's been happening in Minneapolis. There's nothing great about these ICE agents wearing masks where we can't even hold them accountable. We don't even know who the fuck they are. There's nothing great about Jonathan Ross being put back on the streets when there's no full investigation into a man who shot a mother in the face. That's not making America great again. That's despicable. We don't want to live in that sort of society. And I'm sorry, but I'm just going to say it like it is. There are people. No, a monologue would be at the beginning. I've been here three hours. It's not a monologue when I talk about innocent people that have been murdered. Okay, I let you speak. You can speak again. You stopped, right? I didn't interrupt you, did I?

[Constitutionalist Trump Supporter]

I'm good.

[Brian Shapiro]

Yeah. Thank you. He can handle himself. I'm not gonna interrupt you. You can respond to what I said, but this is just my feeling on immigration in general terms. So go ahead, sir.

[Constitutionalist Trump Supporter]

So African Americans aren't really still immigrating here. So that argument is kind of thrown to the side in terms of Republican policies hurting immigrants. I don't know if they hurt Indian immigrants or Chinese immigrants or immigrants that are Coming here for higher education.

[Trump Supporter 1]

Right.

[Constitutionalist Trump Supporter]

You seem to be referring to people that are coming here for low wage jobs like agricultural workers, farm workers, whatever. And again, my personal theory is that AI and robotics will be replacing the

[Brian Shapiro]

bulk of those jobs, which is unfortunate.

[Constitutionalist Trump Supporter]

Which I don't think is unfortunate.

[Brian Shapiro]

Well, I think the less people that are working is not good for the country. But in regards to what you said about African Americans, I actually think that

[Constitutionalist Trump Supporter]

Elon is onto something. Something with universal income. I think that is potentially in our future as robotics continues to.

[Brian Shapiro]

Well, I heard Elon was onto something when he talked about Doge and conserving. Did you receive your five thousand dollar check? Because I didn't. Elon's onto a lot of things, but he doesn't always. He's not always honest. As far as the African American, you

[Constitutionalist Trump Supporter]

don't think there should be any attempt to audit the US Government and their spending?

[Brian Shapiro]

I didn't say that.

[Trump Supporter 3]

Okay.

[Brian Shapiro]

What I did say is Elon made a lot of promises to the American people. So did Donald Trump. He said he was going to find all this fraud. He didn't even find a fraction of the fraud he promised he was going to find.

[Constitutionalist Trump Supporter]

Well, most of it's in the defense budget.

[Brian Shapiro]

Okay. Well, we were told that we were all going to be getting a $5,000 check and we never got that check from Doge. We were also told we were going to be getting tariff checks. We never got those checks either. Just quickly, the reason why I mentioned African Americans is because I believe there are a lot of white nationalists in this country that are all Donald Trump supporters. Now, I've never. This is the last thing I'll say. I've never categorized all Trump supporters as racist. I never will, because it's not true. But here's what I will say. It's not that everybody who voted for Donald Trump is racist, but I personally believe everybody that is racist voted for Donald Trump. It's not Make America great again, it's Make America white again. And we'll have to agree to disagree on that, I guess. But. All right. Thank you. Thanks, brother. I appreciate it. If you learned anything from this episode or got any value at all, please share this episode with a friend.

[Marine Veteran]

It helps us grow the channel, it

[Brian Shapiro]

helps us grow the podcast, and it means a lot to us. Thank you so much.