1 Zionist vs 10 Pro-Palestine Activists | DSH #2084

Summary

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Digital Social Hour: "1 Zionist vs 10 Pro-Palestine Activists" (DSH #2084)

Date: July 28, 2026
Host: Sean Kelly
Main Guest: Nick Fuentes
Participants: Military veteran, Palestinian American, Christian commentator, liberal analyst, pro-Palestinian activists, Middle Eastern and other commentators/analysts

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Episode Overview

Theme:
In this high-tension, marathon-length episode, Sean Kelly introduces Nick Fuentes—identified as a blunt, right-wing Zionist (though not Jewish)—to face a diverse panel of 10 pro-Palestine, anti-Zionist activists and commentators. The conversation is divided into several heated debates around three key prompts:

1. "There was/is no genocide in Gaza."
2. "There should be no Palestinian state in the West Bank."
3. "The conflict didn't start on October 7th, but also didn't start in 1948."

Participants trade accusations, challenge statistics, interrogate each other's sources, dive into deep historical claims, and debate the role of identity, emotion, and evidence in political discourse. The language is often combative, fast-paced, and unfiltered.

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Key Discussion Points & Segments

I. Opening Salvos: Virtue Signaling, Genocide, and Identity

[00:00-01:05]

• Nick Fuentes immediately sets the tone: “I am so sick of the virtue signaling of the pro-Palestinians. Stop pretending like you guys care about every single human life equally. It is bullshit.”
• Military Veteran: "And then you're sitting here defending the murder of men, women and children... you're a disgrace to the uniform..."
• Accusations fly over which side actually cares about civilians, and the moral equivalency of violence.

Notable Quotes

• Nick Fuentes [00:33]: "I don't particularly care about your emotional anecdotes. Okay."
• Palestinian American [00:37]: "You're accusing Palestine of being uncivilized because they're fighting for their freedom."
• Nick Fuentes [00:40]: "No, I call them uncivilized because they blow body parts all over in pizza shops... The youngest death in October 7th was a 10 hour old baby."

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II. Prompt 1: Is There Genocide In Gaza?

[01:05–52:09 | Main prompt discussion 1]

A. Debating Numbers, Sources, and The Definition of Genocide

• Pro-Palestinian participants argue Israel is engaged in genocide and ethnic cleansing; Nick Fuentes repeatedly demands proof of "special intent" as per the 1948 Genocide Convention.
• Military Veteran challenges the origins of Israel, referencing the Balfour Declaration and alleged selective Jewish DNA; Nick calls out fabricated John Hopkins "studies".
• Fuentes debunks claims about the % of Israeli Jews being foreign; disputes casualty statistics (e.g., 83% civilian deaths).
• Military Veteran: Argues DNA links modern Israeli Jews to Europe (“John Hopkins study”) and claims Israel’s founders committed genocide pre-1948.
• Nick Fuentes: “John Hopkins themselves came out and said that this literally doesn’t exist. That’s not why no one has the active link and why he just said the Jews who put it up also took it down because it doesn’t exist.” [07:04]

B. Definitions and Legal/International Context

• Debate over what constitutes genocide: destruction “in whole or in part” and the requirement for “intent” ("dolos specialis") [73:35].
• Fuentes: "If you read the genocide convention, specifically cultural destruction does not suffice."
• Christian Commentator pushes for a new term: "If it's not a genocide, then maybe we need to create a new word…" [31:01]
• Disagreement over reliance on statistics from Hamas or Israeli sources, and over who controls the narrative (Israel or legacy media).

C. Human Shields, Intent, and Comparisons

• Nick Fuentes: Argues Hamas deliberately embeds in civilian areas, causing casualties and complicating attribution of blame.
• Christian Commentator: "Do you think Americans would be okay bombing that elementary school, killing all the civilians there just to get to some terrorists?" [35:07]
• Fuentes: “Would I justify killing 500 Palestinians to get one Hamas? No, of course not. Can you tell me a time that happened?”

D. Emotional Testimonies v. Forensic Analysis

• Israeli and Palestinian claims of terror and civilian suffering are juxtaposed—each side accusing the other of dehumanization and selective empathy.
• Christian Commentator: “There's a level of dehumanization happening… as a Christian, I can't stand for that.” [47:33]
• Fuentes: “It is immoral to treat another people worse than your own people... The Palestinians should also care for their own people more than anyone.” [105:02]

Key Timestamps & Moments

• [09:43] – Breakdown of the “83% civilian” statistic—how is it measured, and who’s included as a fighter?
• [13:52] – Military vet: Claims ISIS was “created for Mossad,” equates Hamas to a Mossad operation.
• [16:12] – Admission of selective criteria in both pro- and anti-Israel statistics.
• [19:18] – Discussion of the “Greater Israel” project.
• [31:01] – Christian commentator: “If it's not a genocide, we need to create a new word.”
• [37:33] – “So my question is though... if Betselem is saying leadership in Israel wants these things to happen, and you’re saying that’s not their intent, but effectively they are happening – so how does that…” — Christian Commentator.

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III. Prompt 2: Should There Be A Palestinian State In the West Bank?

[106:49–164:13 | Main prompt discussion 2]

A. Personal Stories, Borders, and Self-Determination

• Palestinian American delivers a highly personal, emotional testimony about growing up in Bethlehem and crossing Israeli checkpoints.
• Fuentes takes a hard legalistic line, questioning the right of Palestinian self-determination, referencing repeated rejection of “generous offers” and security concerns over a future state.
• Pro-Palestinian panelists accuse Fuentes of dehumanization, refusing to acknowledge the reality of humiliation, occupation, and blockade.

B. Historical Claims & Legitimacy

• Key disputes on the British Mandate, the Balfour Declaration, and the legacy of Jordan’s annexation of the West Bank.
• Fencing, control, and the logic of “consequences": Fuentes: "If you fight back and you lose, you don't get to cry about going back to what it was before." [135:59]
• Debate on 'lived experience': "Do Israelis who live on the land have more right to speak about it than Palestinians who have never been to the land?" [224:45]

C. Is Peace Possible?

• Several attempts to pivot to constructive solutions:
  • Moderator: Could a two-state solution work if there’s a guarantee: “If Palestine attacks Israel, it all gets annexed?”
  • Fuentes: “I accept that deal, because the Palestinians will attack – that’s who they are.” [160:12]

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IV. Prompt 3: The Conflict Didn't Start On October 7th (Nor 1948)

[165:11–253:01 | Main prompt discussion 3]

A. Deep History and Selective Memory

• Panelists dispute when the “real” origins are—some cite 1800s Zionist movement, others insist conflict is rooted much further back (theological/civilizational lines).
• Fuentes: “If you go back far enough, you know, 2,000 years to Jews establishing a historic homeland.”
• Muslim/Christian/Jewish pre-1948 relations debated; Fuentes points to episodes like the 1517 Hebron massacre, most Palestinians argue these are isolated incidents, not evidence for a narrative of perpetual victimization.

B. War, Blame, and American Involvement

• Sharp exchanges about US responsibility, the "military-industrial complex," and whether American foreign policy just perpetuates conflict for profit.
• Middle Eastern Commentator: “What if we built new land off the coast of Israel, instead of bombs?” [202:12] (Fuentes: “They quadrupled the land in 1967 and it didn’t work then…")
• The “bandwidth” argument: Shouldn’t Americans solve their own crisis at home first (debt, polarization, etc.)?

C. The Language of Hate and Cultural Framing

• But can you call it “Jewish supremacy” if you refer to “Yahud” as the enemy of Palestinians, or is that just language?
• Fuentes and Palestinian American dissect language, with each accusing the other of equivocation regarding “Jews”, “Israelis”, “Zionists”, and “Islamist terrorism.”

D. Accusations of Grift and Propaganda

• Military Veteran: “You built a platform on not being a Jew, pretending to be a Jew, but you're a Noahide, never pretended to be. And defending Israel. You built a platform on being an asshole. With no emotions.” [180:49]
• Holocaust denial raised and swiftly (if awkwardly) shot down. Liberal analyst (final segment): "For the record, the Holocaust happened. We can agree on that." [237:02]

Notable Quotes

• Nick Fuentes [224:00]: "Facts matter. There is something we have to look at. So right now I see a 6. But what I can do is use context…"
• Palestinian American [224:45]: "Do Israelis who live on the land have more of a right to speak about it than Palestinians who have never been there?"
• Liberal Analyst [243:52]: "What we should aspire to is dehumanize Israelis. I do. Because if you can put in there and just say like 50% of them want to act like Joshua to Palestinians and slaughter them and slice their throats, then it's very easy to... dehumanize them."

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Patterns & Takeaways

1. Facts vs. Emotion

• Nick Fuentes: Constantly demands statistical or legal "proof" for genocide claims, dismisses personal stories as “emotional anecdotes,” and refuses to accept claims without “primary sources”.
• Pro-Palestinian panelists: Insist that lived reality, trauma, humiliation, and suffering are as valid as paperwork; accuse Fuentes of inhumanity and cold detachment.

2. Relativity of Violence & Blame

• Both sides invoke analogies (Native Americans, Nazis, Hiroshima, Crusades, Iraq/Afghanistan) to claim either hypocrisy or unique victimhood.
• Recursion of "what about-ism": “You did X, we do Y—so who’s the terrorist?”

3. Definition Games

• Central to the debate: What counts as genocide? Is it proportion, intent, outcome, or systematic destruction?
• "Dolos specialis" (special intent): a recurring legal sticking point—Fuentes says that’s the “high bar” pro-Palestinians can’t meet.

4. Identity & Double Standards

• Allegations of both anti-Semitism and Islamophobia; controversies around the conflation of “Israeli”, “Jew”, “Zionist”, and “terrorist”.
• Fuentes: “Do you think being anti-Zionist means you’re anti-Semitic?”
• Christian and Palestinian panelists repeatedly insist their issue is with state policy, not Jews as a group.

5. Hopelessness and Stalemate

• Even avenues for compromise (two state solution, unified state) are fraught with cynicism—each side blames the other for failed negotiations and violence.
• Moderator: “Sometimes there isn’t a solution; just a stable-ish position until something changes.” [160:21]

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Memorable Highlights & Quotes (with Timestamps)

• “I don't particularly care about your emotional anecdotes. Okay.”
  — Nick Fuentes [00:33]

• “You're a satanic Zionist, that's what you are.”
  — Military Veteran [00:55, again at [181:10]]

• "So the Jews let it up and then they took it down? That makes perfect sense."
  — Nick Fuentes [06:13] (mocking an argument about a DNA study)

• Moderator, to Fuentes: “You just tried to debunk it in AI right there. Oh, there you go.”
  — [06:51] (as panelists search for a disputed study)

• "How do you know they were fighters? How can you classify them?"
  — Military Veteran [11:26]

• "You either displace them and bomb, or you don't displace them and bomb, which would be genocide."
  — Nick Fuentes [77:38]

• “If it’s not genocide, maybe we need a new word.”
  — Christian Commentator [31:01]

• “If you lose that fight, you don't get to cry and then say, can we pretend I didn't do it and go back to what it was before.”
  — Nick Fuentes [135:59]

• “Facts matter. There is something we have to look at. So right now I see a 6. But what I can do is use context... The answer is 9.”
  — Nick Fuentes [224:00] (Arguing over perspectives and lived experience)

• “If the suffering leads to people to stop doing this extremist attack... then it will save countless lives in the future.”
  — Nick Fuentes [234:15]

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Final Remarks

This episode is best described as an unfiltered "debate gauntlet"—participants' worldviews seem almost irreconcilable as they crisscross legal arguments, personal grievances, propaganda claims, and moral ultimatums.
Despite the combativeness, several fleeting moments point toward mutual recognition that peace and coexistence—while perhaps distant—would require both a reckoning with history and a radical departure from current patterns of dehumanization and violence.

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For Listeners Seeking More

• If you value forensic breakdowns of controversial debates, this episode delivers.
• If you need a coherent "winner," you won’t get it—but there is a masterclass in the rhetoric, psychology, and pitfalls of hyper-polarized discourse.

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Full Episode Timeline (Selected Timestamps)

• [00:00–01:05] Opening confrontation: virtue signaling, victimhood, genocide.
• [01:05–52:09] Prompt 1, “No genocide in Gaza?”—statistics, intent, fighting over definitions, history.
• [106:49–164:13] Prompt 2, Palestinian statehood, lived experience, emotional toll and legal arguments.
• [165:11–253:01] Prompt 3, deep history, global blame, and the (im)possibility of resolution.

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[End of summary.]

Transcript

[Nick Fuentes]

I am so sick of the virtue signaling of the pro Palestinians. Stop pretending like you guys care about every single human life equally. It is bullshit.

[Military Veteran]

And then you're sitting here defending the murder of men, women and children and you're in a disgrace to the uniform that you wore and the country that you claim that you serve from.

[Nick Fuentes]

Israel would have gotten the death toll that we've gotten in almost three years. Would have happened in two weeks if they had the same intent as Hamas. And again, that's with significantly more capability.

[Christian Commentator]

Do you think Americans would be okay with that elementary school killing all the civilians there just to get to some terrorists? That's my question.

[Nick Fuentes]

I don't particularly care about your emotional anecdotes. Okay.

[Palestinian American]

You're accusing Palestine have been uncivilized because they're fighting for their freedom.

[Nick Fuentes]

No, I vote like the Scots. No, I call them uncivilized because they blow body parts all over in pizza shops and spiral pizza shops and they women and they have taken nine month old babies and have control the youngest death in October 7th was a 10 hour old baby.

[Military Veteran]

You're like a satanic Zionist, that's what you are.

[Nick Fuentes]

All right, guys, we got another one on 10 today. We got Nick here. Today versus 10. We have three prompts. The first prompt is there was slash is no genocide in Gaza. We're gonna get it started.

[Moderator]

What's up, man?

[Nick Fuentes]

All right, Matt.

[Liberal Analyst]

All right, let's get it going.

[Military Veteran]

All right, man. So you said you served in the military, correct?

[Nick Fuentes]

Yeah, about 12 years.

[Military Veteran]

Okay, what'd you do?

[Nick Fuentes]

I was a nuclear engineer on fast attack submarines.

[Military Veteran]

Okay, so you've never been to combat?

[Moderator]

No.

[Military Veteran]

Never been on the ground?

[Nick Fuentes]

No.

[Military Veteran]

Okay.

[Nick Fuentes]

On submarines.

[Military Veteran]

Okay, so on submarines. Okay, cool. So you know nothing about on the ground conflict in Gaza, Palestine? Have you been there?

[Nick Fuentes]

Yes.

[Military Veteran]

Okay, when?

[Nick Fuentes]

Last year and also about a month ago. And I don't think I know nothing. But if you're, if you're implying that.

[Military Veteran]

Where do you get your information?

[Nick Fuentes]

Research on where I actually research mostly pro Palestinian stuff because I like to know what their arguments are before I do this almost on a nightly basis. So most of the time a lot of it's Al Jazeera, telegram groups that are pro Hamas, Palestinian, which is more. It's not super either way, it's Saudi Arabia, Mujah with the. Or the Lebanese one that's pro Hezbollah. That's normally. But you know, I read, I read everything.

[Christian Commentator]

Right, right.

[Nick Fuentes]

I. I don't mind. I'm not, I'm not the type of person in that And a lot of Zionists do this where they're like, someone's like, I have proof. Here's an Al Jazeera article. And they immediately go, I, I don't

[Christian Commentator]

want to hear it.

[Nick Fuentes]

It's Al Jazeera. And it's like, no, I'll read it and debunk it if I find it to be wrong.

[Military Veteran]

Okay, so are you Jewish?

[Nick Fuentes]

No.

[Military Veteran]

Okay, so you're pro Israel Zionist, not

[Nick Fuentes]

Jewish, just like most Zionists in the world. Yes.

[Military Veteran]

Okay, most Zionists in the world are not Jewish.

[Middle Eastern Commentator]

Not Jewish.

[Liberal Analyst]

Correct.

[Military Veteran]

How'd you come up with that? That's a pretty Jews are egregious statement. I have no idea. I don't count.

[Nick Fuentes]

Just take a guess.

[Military Veteran]

I mean, probably 6 million, right. Somewhere around there. I'm kidding, man. That's the number of Holocaust.

[Nick Fuentes]

Anyways, you're like denying.

[Military Veteran]

So I think the Holocaust.

[Nick Fuentes]

You're talking about genocide, but you know, the Holocaust.

[Military Veteran]

Okay, well, 271,000 Jews died in Germany according to the American Red Cross.

[Nick Fuentes]

No, it wasn't actually was the American Red Cross is American Red Cross.

[Military Veteran]

271,000.

[Nick Fuentes]

I'll answer that. So if you read the report, it actually was only talking about specific concentration camps, not even the most deadly one. And also on top of that, the American Red Cross and actually get access to that. And they were getting the numbers from only people that had death certificates, which we know in Germany themselves admitted that they didn't write death certificates by far for most of them.

[Military Veteran]

Well, we can get to the Holocaust in a second, so.

[Nick Fuentes]

Or we can. We can just stick to the topic.

[Military Veteran]

Well, do you know how Israel came to exist? Because that's how we're going to get. Okay, let's get there. So how did Israel come to exist, in your opinion?

[Nick Fuentes]

What are you asking here?

[Military Veteran]

Well, how did it come to exist?

[Nick Fuentes]

The domino effect or when they declared their independence, May 14, 1948?

[Military Veteran]

Well, that's not when they. They declared their independence, became a state. But Israel came to exist in 1917 when Israel was given Balfour Declaration. Yeah.

[Nick Fuentes]

After his real estate did not come to exist in 1917.

[Military Veteran]

No, actually it was gifted to Lord Rothschild.

[Nick Fuentes]

Balfour Declaration never went through.

[Military Veteran]

Actually it did.

[Nick Fuentes]

No, because.

[Military Veteran]

So Lord Rothschild, it's framed in the Israeli museum as the founding.

[Nick Fuentes]

No, I know, I've read it multiple times. It's two and a half paragraphs and it even says in the middle. Specifically, you will not.

[Moderator]

Exactly.

[Military Veteran]

So where did the Jews come from?

[Nick Fuentes]

Just one second, let me finish. Okay, so it says to actually not have any problems with the local population, the Arab population, the native population. And on top of that, can you tell me what was Palestine in 1917 according to the maps that the British had. Since we're talking about the Balfour Decoration, It's Palestine.

[Military Veteran]

Yeah.

[Nick Fuentes]

What is it?

[Christian Commentator]

Borders.

[Military Veteran]

Borders was the whole area that's Israel and Palestine.

[Nick Fuentes]

Jordan exist.

[Military Veteran]

Jordan was newer.

[Palestinian American]

Yeah.

[Nick Fuentes]

After that, Jordan didn't exist.

[Moderator]

Yeah, exactly.

[Military Veteran]

Well, the King of England also created Jordan. Yeah, yeah.

[Nick Fuentes]

So the Balfour Decoration was actually talking about. And it. If you look at the maps prior to 1921, when the emirate of Trans. Jordan was in existence. Right. For the first time, the British created.

[Military Veteran]

You're burning time. You know what I'm about to say. You're just burning time for nonsense. We're not. We're talking about Israel.

[Nick Fuentes]

You're the one that brought up the Balfour Decoration. I'm correcting. And it was gifted to decoration never went through. Because it was talking about the land that would include all of today's Jordan. Because four years later is when the British. Out of thin air, talking a lot.

[Military Veteran]

Because you know where I'm about to go.

[Moderator]

I.

[Nick Fuentes]

Okay, you made a claim. I told you it didn't go through.

[Military Veteran]

You're not debunking. It did go through. 1917. It was gifted to Lord Rothschild. Lord Rothschild funded. Most of the Jews moved down there. Where did the Jews come from that moved to Israel or then Palestine?

[Nick Fuentes]

The Diaspora. But can I answer about the Balfour Decoration?

[Military Veteran]

That doesn't matter right now because we're. We're talking. We're getting to genocide. We're talking through a process. You're just trying to gaslight. Waste time because you know where you're.

[Nick Fuentes]

Then don't bring it up. If you. You don't want me to answer it.

[Military Veteran]

You didn't answer it. 1917, Gifted Lord Rothschild. After that, Jews from where came to Palestine?

[Nick Fuentes]

The Diaspora. I already answered this.

[Military Veteran]

Diaspora. Where's that?

[Nick Fuentes]

Multiple different areas.

[Military Veteran]

Europe. Jews from Europe.

[Nick Fuentes]

Okay. Some of them are from Europe.

[Military Veteran]

Majority. All of them.

[Nick Fuentes]

In the beginning, the early leaders. Yeah. Were Ashkenazi. That's true.

[Military Veteran]

All Ashkenazi. Still to this day, a John Hopkins University DNA test shows that 97% of Israel is not from.

[Nick Fuentes]

So just so everyone knows that John Hopkins actually was a screenshot made on social media and John Hopkins themselves came out and said, this doesn't exist.

[Military Veteran]

That is not true.

[Nick Fuentes]

Link up right now.

[Military Veteran]

The university study did it in the 90s.

[Nick Fuentes]

Somebody pulled up the John Hopkins.

[Military Veteran]

They did.

[Nick Fuentes]

It doesn't exist.

[Moderator]

1990.

[Military Veteran]

It does exist.

[Nick Fuentes]

Okay, then pull the link up and show me the active link.

[Military Veteran]

No, the Jews took it down, probably, but there is a.

[Nick Fuentes]

So the Jews let it up and then they took.

[Military Veteran]

Hold on, hold on.

[Palestinian American]

Hold up, hold up.

[Nick Fuentes]

That makes perfect sense.

[Military Veteran]

After that study Israel. No, see, that's where you gaslight.

[Nick Fuentes]

After that study Israel, the screenshots can you can.

[Military Veteran]

John Hopkins University. That's not contradicted. The AI is messing up. But he's talking about person.

[Nick Fuentes]

Pull up the active link.

[Pro-Palestinian Activist]

If it.

[Military Veteran]

I don't have my computer on me. Sean.

[Nick Fuentes]

Does anyone have it?

[Moderator]

Yeah.

[Palestinian American]

What do I look up?

[Military Veteran]

Okay, while we're at John Hopkins University DNA study active.

[Nick Fuentes]

He said 97% were.

[Military Veteran]

And then Israel made DNA testing illegal outside of a court after that study because all the Jews in Israel are not from Palestine.

[Nick Fuentes]

It was an absolute study.

[Military Veteran]

And also the settlers. The settlers came.

[Nick Fuentes]

I have to be able to answer if you make a claim that's not true. Okay.

[Military Veteran]

You just tried to debunk it in AI right there. Oh, there you go.

[Nick Fuentes]

Is this it?

[Moderator]

Yeah.

[Nick Fuentes]

No, this isn't it. This isn't the active link. This is talking about the bias, which proves my point. But no, it's saying. Yeah, you can't find it because it doesn't.

[Military Veteran]

Bias is conjecture.

[Nick Fuentes]

John Hopkins themselves came out and said that this literally doesn't exist. That's not why no one has the active link and why he just said the Jews who put it up also took it down because it doesn't exist.

[Military Veteran]

It does exist.

[Nick Fuentes]

So multiple archive link.

[Military Veteran]

Then Jake Shields, who's across the halls, pulled it up on his podcast three times.

[Nick Fuentes]

Yes, the screenshot. That's true. Yeah, it is true screenshot.

[Military Veteran]

You know why?

[Nick Fuentes]

Because it's fake.

[Military Veteran]

You're gaslighting it. All right, so let's. Let's keep going. So the Jews come down, and then three militias funded by Rothschild, who Israel was gifted to, Lehi, Ergon and Haganah started the genocide in murdering the Palestinians. And Lehi and Ergon are now called international terrorist groups by the international community. Correct.

[Nick Fuentes]

They were. They're not in existence at all anymore.

[Military Veteran]

Exactly. So the genocide started before Israel became a state.

[Christian Commentator]

Correct.

[Nick Fuentes]

A genocide.

[Military Veteran]

No, the genocide. Yeah, the genocide and the killing of the terrorism.

[Nick Fuentes]

So 1948 was a genocide.

[Military Veteran]

So Israel came in and started killing everyone and stole the lands from the Palestinians. Huh. A genocide means. Your definition of genocide is literally a straw man argument.

[Nick Fuentes]

Not my definition to neg.

[Military Veteran]

It is your definition.

[Nick Fuentes]

It's literally not my definition. It's the genocide convention of 1948. That was ratified in 1948. International courts

[Military Veteran]

are accusing Israel genocide. A UN commission accuses Israel.

[Nick Fuentes]

Africa is. They're just the courts that have the panel.

[Military Veteran]

Dude, can you pull that up? International Criminal Court.

[Nick Fuentes]

South Africa is the one that brought the case. Case. The ICJ is the one that hears it. Dude, seriously.

[Military Veteran]

And the UN commission just committed. Just accused Israel of what? Genocide.

[Nick Fuentes]

Right.

[Military Veteran]

Okay, you just try to excuse everything

[Nick Fuentes]

that's Trying to answer anything. You're just Gish galloping. So what you're talking about is the unconvention. That, by the way, doesn't even. You don't know what that means?

[Moderator]

Yeah.

[Military Veteran]

UN commission said Israel.

[Christian Commentator]

Do you know what that means?

[Nick Fuentes]

Gish galloping.

[Military Veteran]

Yeah. I don't know. That's a dumb word. It sounds like a Jewish word.

[Christian Commentator]

Yeah.

[Nick Fuentes]

Oh, yeah, it's a super Jewish word. Yeah, I know. IQ is hard. Anyways, so just look up Gish galloping after. It's a very basic word. Anyways, so the commission you're talking about was an advisory opinion. And that commission doesn't even exist anymore. They were actually only putting out their last report. And by the way, they were talking about the targeting of children. Did they give.

[Military Veteran]

Did you read Targeting Children? Yes, I've read the report.

[Nick Fuentes]

You read the whole report? How many pages was it?

[Military Veteran]

I don't know. The whole. I have no idea. This is where gaslighting comes in. Because guys like you, reports come out, Studies are done, Children are dead.

[Nick Fuentes]

Yeah, so I read the 85% casualty rate in Palestine. So that's also not true either. That comes from Abraham's report?

[Pro-Palestinian Activist]

Yep.

[Nick Fuentes]

Okay.

[Military Veteran]

It is from the IDF zone.

[Nick Fuentes]

It's not from the IDF's own numbers.

[Military Veteran]

Yes, it is.

[Nick Fuentes]

Okay.

[Military Veteran]

It was.

[Nick Fuentes]

I would just look it up right now. It was Abraham's reports.

[Christian Commentator]

Yeah.

[Nick Fuentes]

If you can just stop interrupting. If you. If I'm so wrong, wouldn't you want me to speak? No, because if you want me to expose myself as a liar, wouldn't you want me to speak? Cutting me off. The IDF did not publish it. It was Abramson's report.

[Christian Commentator]

He.

[Military Veteran]

He.

[Nick Fuentes]

Yuval, I believe his first name is. He said that it was an idf. It was an idf. Yes. Not the IDF zone numbers. You see how it's green? It's saying I'm right, genius.

[Palestinian American]

No, no.

[Military Veteran]

It says 83% is.

[Nick Fuentes]

Yes, keep reading. I know it's hard to read. Keep reading.

[Military Veteran]

I can't read.

[Nick Fuentes]

Keep reading. Oh, I'll read it for you.

[Christian Commentator]

I know.

[Nick Fuentes]

It's classified IDF intelligence from Abraham's report. Not the ID, can you read it?

[Military Veteran]

IDF intelligence database.

[Nick Fuentes]

83% civilian figure comes from a classified IDF intelligence database reported by the Uval Abraham and Emma Graham Harrison in a Guardian investig IDF database. It's saying not the idf. So numbers. Pull up the actual page. I promise you. Let's just pull it up right now. Pull up the actual article. It was the author that said scroll down, watch. It's going to be right here.

[Middle Eastern Commentator]

Right?

[Nick Fuentes]

He says it. It's an investigation by Plus972 magazine, local call and the Guardian. What's the name? Yuval Abraham.

[Military Veteran]

Like it was published in the Times of Israel, man.

[Nick Fuentes]

He never actually gave the database. He just said it was from that the IDF came out and said this is not true, by the way.

[Military Veteran]

That is not true.

[Nick Fuentes]

I'm going to talk about it in

[Military Veteran]

the Times of Israel.

[Nick Fuentes]

No, the IDF never. Pull up the Times of Israel and see if it's an idf. It's not from the idf.

[Military Veteran]

It is from the idf.

[Nick Fuentes]

Okay, well we'll pull it up and see. So that one I'm going to tell you. Do you know how he came to that? 83%.

[Military Veteran]

How?

[Nick Fuentes]

Okay, so he took 8,900 named fighters only from Hamas. He ignores and PIJ. He ignores every other terrorist organization and he only counts those that had a name. You can read about it when he pulls it up. And he ignored every single person that wasn't a named fighter. Which would be the majority in a guerrilla warfare unit. They were counted as civilians. And anyone on the political side like haniei. How do we know there are fighters civilian?

[Military Veteran]

How do you know there were fighters? How can you classify their non name fighters or name fighters?

[Nick Fuentes]

How do you even says it in the report? Dude, he literally says it in the report.

[Military Veteran]

Where's he getting the data from? It's 83% and you know it is. It's published, man. And you're trying to nitpick the numbers

[Nick Fuentes]

to justify trying to explain that he got it based off of only counting named fighters.

[Military Veteran]

That's your opinion.

[Nick Fuentes]

No, he. Can you just pull the report back up?

[Military Veteran]

That's your opinion.

[Nick Fuentes]

Says it in the report.

[Military Veteran]

Let's see it.

[Nick Fuentes]

Scroll up.

[Military Veteran]

Because it doesn't say that anywhere else.

[Pro-Palestinian Activist]

Scroll it up. Scroll up.

[Nick Fuentes]

All the way. Yep, all the way. It's in the sub. Scroll down, scroll down. Hold on.

[Christian Commentator]

Oh, here.

[Pro-Palestinian Activist]

You're down.

[Nick Fuentes]

I don't know. Try to control F. Named or 8900 or whatever. No, nothing for 8900.

[Palestinian American]

Maybe.

[Liberal Analyst]

Name.

[Nick Fuentes]

Yeah, there it is right there. 100 to 300 senior Hamas offers out of a total 750 since October 7th, named in the database since October 7th. What does that last paragraph say?

[Military Veteran]

Look,

[Nick Fuentes]

highlight the last paragraph.

[Military Veteran]

Still the number.

[Nick Fuentes]

Stop. No, no, the last paragraph. The last.

[Moderator]

Shit. My bad.

[Nick Fuentes]

It says it right there. Just stop trying to. You know where it's going. So you're scared.

[Pro-Palestinian Activist]

No, no.

[Nick Fuentes]

What does it say? What is the last sentence say? The Guardian obtained the numerical data from the database without the names or additional intelligence for it.

[Military Veteran]

What does that even matter? Is saying 83% from what they have.

[Nick Fuentes]

You're a combat veteran.

[Military Veteran]

Yeah, I'm a combat veteran. I was a green brain that you're

[Nick Fuentes]

not going to have the name of. Did you fight against any guerrilla warfare units?

[Military Veteran]

Yes. I actually was one of the guys who created isis.

[Nick Fuentes]

Okay, great. Do you agree that you're Israel? Okay, great. Awesome. Do you agree that every person you kill, you're not always going to have the name of that fighter?

[Military Veteran]

I mean, of course.

[Nick Fuentes]

So would it be fair if somebody came and looked at your numbers and said you actually.

[Military Veteran]

So maybe it's 80%. Come on now.

[Nick Fuentes]

You don't get to wait. Would most of them be named or would most of them be unnamed by your experience?

[Military Veteran]

Almost all of them would be named. Usually you find an id.

[Nick Fuentes]

Name them.

[Military Veteran]

No, they would find a name. You find an ID when you kill people, man.

[Nick Fuentes]

In a guerrilla warfare unit.

[Military Veteran]

Okay, yeah, you do. Everyone has an idea.

[Nick Fuentes]

Maybe it's 20%. We don't know. Dude, do you. Let me just ask you this question and try to be honest. Do you think it's dishonest to only count named fighters? Regardless if you think it's 90%, 10% or whatever?

[Military Veteran]

I don't think it's dishonest, no. Because the majority. Majority have some type of documentation, even in Syria. Yes, they do. You don't know.

[Nick Fuentes]

You were in Syria. I'm talking about you fought on.

[Military Veteran]

It's the same thing. There's no difference. It's still the Middle East. People are documented every time the IDF

[Nick Fuentes]

is going and searching their bodies and not fighting.

[Military Veteran]

It's being reported by the Palestinians as well.

[Nick Fuentes]

Yes. And their names are recorded with this report.

[Military Veteran]

Well, this. It's the same thing. The numbers are the same on both sides.

[Nick Fuentes]

The numbers, they've never came out and said 83% are civilians.

[Military Veteran]

That has been acknowledged.

[Nick Fuentes]

Hamas has not come out and said yes.

[Military Veteran]

Two months after October 7th, man.

[Nick Fuentes]

See, the problem is never come out inside.

[Military Veteran]

Try to. You take a statistic or you take a fact and you try to find little loopholes to like invalidate it.

[Nick Fuentes]

Oh, how dare I read the report. How dare I read the report.

[Military Veteran]

What you just said has happened has nothing to do with the numbers. Nowhere in that document did it say that refutes their number.

[Nick Fuentes]

Literally. Just read it.

[Military Veteran]

We did and it didn't.

[Nick Fuentes]

It said. It didn't say that. And then you concede and said maybe it's 80%. The reality is you don't know. That's why. The reality is you would have said 83% and you would have stuck to that. The reason that you went down to 80% is because you're admitting you don't actually know.

[Military Veteran]

I basically made a comment. I didn't admit that. I don't know. What I'm saying is data is never perfect. And that's what you do know. It could be.

[Nick Fuentes]

I agree. It is never perfect.

[Military Veteran]

Could be 80%. It could be 80%.

[Nick Fuentes]

It could be 50%. You're right. Yeah.

[Military Veteran]

It could be anything. But why would they give it 80? Because the majority of the data made. The majority of the data shows 83%.

[Nick Fuentes]

The majority of the data doesn't. It was just that report does. It was just that report. No other report has come out and said that. Yeah, just you. Vol's report. That's not the only report you're talking about. When other articles put on the same exact report, you understand when a news article comes out, multiple organizations will say the same thing. The source is still the same. You get that, right?

[Military Veteran]

100 okay.

[Nick Fuentes]

Do you understand only source that says 83%.

[Military Veteran]

You're the person that's arguing that and trying to say that. Okay, whether it flips 5%, couldn't it be higher than 83% too? Just as much as it could be lower.

[Nick Fuentes]

100 have that proof. Then provide it.

[Military Veteran]

Okay, well you don't have proof that it's lower.

[Nick Fuentes]

So you Vol himself and you can go.

[Military Veteran]

So we're back in the same boat. Let's stay at 83% because that's what's.

[Nick Fuentes]

No, we're going to stay with something that's not genuine.

[Liberal Analyst]

Right.

[Nick Fuentes]

It doesn't make sense to say. I'm only going to count those.

[Military Veteran]

So when you're in the military, since you've never fought or killed anybody to

[Nick Fuentes]

stop interrupting, we have to get through a conversation. Okay? So when you have one guy who by the way is admittedly a leftist and on his own ex. And you can go and scroll. Somebody asked him, hey, in your report. Let me finish just one second.

[Military Veteran]

God bless America.

[Nick Fuentes]

Somebody asked him on his own, x, hey, I support you, but don't you think it's disingenuous to say only named fighters? And he said, yes, this does only include named fighters. However, I think the number's higher. Anyways, he added that caveat. Okay, but he admitted himself that the 83% was based off of just named fighters. And ignoring, by the way, anyone that's political but still part of Hamas. Anyone that's part of a terrorist organization that wasn't Hamas or pij. Prc. He doesn't count. He counts them as civilians. PFLP counts them as civilians. Dflp. Do you think those are civilians? So let me ask civilians, what does Hamas defraud?

[Military Veteran]

Hamas?

[Nick Fuentes]

Can you just answer that question? I will answer anything you want. Do you think the PFLP are civilians?

[Military Veteran]

I don't really see it any way different, man. But who's Hamas?

[Nick Fuentes]

Would you count PFLP as civilians?

[Pro-Palestinian Activist]

No.

[Nick Fuentes]

I wouldn't either. Thank you.

[Military Veteran]

Okay, who's Hamas to you?

[Nick Fuentes]

An organization Israel created by Israel.

[Military Veteran]

Put in congressional record by Ron Paul that Hamas was created by Israel.

[Nick Fuentes]

What year was Hamas created and funded? Hold up, hold up.

[Military Veteran]

I'm not talking about what year Hamas was created. I'm asking you questions. You're not asking you questions.

[Nick Fuentes]

That's not what Paul's report said. That's incorrect.

[Palestinian American]

Okay?

[Military Veteran]

Actually, it is what Ron Paul's report said. And he actually created the video on. I have the video on.

[Nick Fuentes]

Created by Ahmed yesterday. It was created them as a armed section of the Muslim Brotherhood.

[Military Veteran]

And who did they work for? And who do they work for? Israeli intelligence. They were Mossad, just like ISIS was created by. Yes, Hamas is Mossad, just like ISIS was. And I helped create the fucking ISIS for Mossad. That's the truth. I've been on multiple podcasts.

[Nick Fuentes]

Why did 89% of Palestinians come out in support of them after October 7th at their Mossad?

[Military Veteran]

Well, think about it. Because they're the only people fighting for them. Israel moved into their land, stole the land from them, has been killing them since the early 1900s, and now is committing genocide against them in Gaza, kicking them out of their land, destroying their villages. And then you're sitting here defending the murder of men, women, and children, and you're in a fucking disgrace to the uniform that you wore and the country that you claim that you serve from. It's. You're pathetic. And it's insane that someone that fought in the US Military could sit here and defend Israel's genocide.

[Nick Fuentes]

I don't care if it's an emotional argument, I don't give a shit. Dude, I really don't care.

[Military Veteran]

You're just a disgrace to the uniform that you wore.

[Pro-Palestinian Activist]

Okay?

[Military Veteran]

An embarrassment to this country. That's my opinion. But I'm just. What I'm saying.

[Nick Fuentes]

I'm going to forget about you five minutes after I leave this.

[Military Veteran]

I'm going to forget about you.

[Nick Fuentes]

It doesn't matter. I'm not here to cry and bitch and whine. I'm not bitching and whine. Fucking door over there. Go cry out there.

[Military Veteran]

We go out there and cry together.

[Nick Fuentes]

I have no interest in this. I'm here to debate ideas. I get it. You don't agree with me. You don't like me. That's fine.

[Military Veteran]

I don't agree.

[Nick Fuentes]

They don't like, dislike you.

[Military Veteran]

But I know you.

[Nick Fuentes]

I don't care about you.

[Military Veteran]

I don't care about you either, man.

[Nick Fuentes]

You seem to care a lot about me.

[Military Veteran]

I care a lot about the fact that you served in our military and that you're supporting genocide and defending an Israeli government that is killing people in Gaza, killing people in Lebanon, taking land in Iraq, taking land in Syria, and then pulling America into an order.

[Nick Fuentes]

What land did they take in Iraq?

[Military Veteran]

Oh, they're building secret bases all over Iraq right now. It's very widely reported. Yeah. Have you heard of the Greater Israel Project?

[Nick Fuentes]

What is the Greater Israel Project?

[Military Veteran]

Greater Israel Project is to reclaim the biblical lands of. The lands of Canaan are about 2/3 of Syria, about half of Iraq, all of Jordan, all of Palestine.

[Nick Fuentes]

Have you ever read the Bible?

[Military Veteran]

Oh, yeah, I have. Sure have.

[Nick Fuentes]

So what does it say in Genesis? What is the Greater Israel, if you will?

[Military Veteran]

It's the lands of Canaan, the promised lands, if you will.

[Nick Fuentes]

Say that. It says from the Nile to the river of Egypt.

[Military Veteran]

Yes.

[Nick Fuentes]

A lot of people incorrectly say Egypt from the Nile. It's not the Nile. It's actually most represented as the Alwa.

[Military Veteran]

That's your opinion also.

[Nick Fuentes]

Have you read the book of Joshua? Have you read the book? It's literally in the book of Genesis.

[Military Veteran]

It's. That is your opinion on the translation I love. But Greater Israel, no. So hold up. Israelis wear the patch from the Nile. Time out. Idf, you can Google this. Where is the patch from the Nile? East. Yeah, I don't care about what your opinion on what Greater Israel is. IDF wears the patch from the Nile east. And all the lands I just mentioned encompass that. And the top third of Saudi Arabia. And Netanyahu has made multiple statements saying their goal is to secure Greater Israel through Pax Judaica, through the Abraham's Accord. And you can't sit here and say he's not doing that. He's got in press conferences and literally said it. It.

[Nick Fuentes]

He said I am.

[Military Veteran]

So what do you think they're going to do with all those people?

[Nick Fuentes]

Why do you think I want to make sure I hear you correctly. You're saying Benjamin Netanyahu says I am going to secure Greater Israel?

[Military Veteran]

Yeah, he sure has.

[Moderator]

Okay.

[Military Veteran]

And multiple press conferences and you're sitting here trying to act like this genocide, this murder, these things that are going on aren't happening.

[Nick Fuentes]

It's not agreeing with your red.

[Military Veteran]

I don't care what AI agrees with, man.

[Nick Fuentes]

It's just fact checking.

[Military Veteran]

After this debate, I'm going to pull the conferences up and I'm going to post them to my page. I'll tag you in a them.

[Nick Fuentes]

Awesome.

[Military Veteran]

Yeah, I'm glad care about AI fact checking me, brother. I care about people seeing this and studying and research. Yeah. I follow Jesus.

[Nick Fuentes]

You're not a Christian.

[Military Veteran]

I follow Jesus, man. And I don't read the whole Bible. Most of the Bibles.

[Nick Fuentes]

Ever read the book of Genesis? The first book?

[Military Veteran]

I have read the book, yes.

[Nick Fuentes]

You don't know what it says. How about the book of Joshua?

[Military Veteran]

I haven't read the book of Joshua. Why is your face twitching?

[Nick Fuentes]

Okay, what are the four gospels?

[Military Veteran]

Matthew, Mark, Luke and John. Okay. Read them at least.

[Liberal Analyst]

Yeah.

[Middle Eastern Commentator]

Why do you.

[Moderator]

Okay, good.

[Nick Fuentes]

And you read wrong.

[Military Veteran]

Ask me a question that matters.

[Nick Fuentes]

I'm trying to figure out where your idea of the biblical Greater Israel comes from. Because in Joshua, it's actually a lot smaller.

[Military Veteran]

I'm not talking about biblical Greater Israel right now. I'm talking about Israelis. Time out. They. They believe that in their prophecy. I'm talking about what Israel wears on their patches. What the IDF wears on their patches.

[Nick Fuentes]

Is that systemic or is this just a couple IDF soldiers that wore it?

[Military Veteran]

It's systemic.

[Nick Fuentes]

Really?

[Military Veteran]

Yeah.

[Nick Fuentes]

So it was passed out by the idea.

[Military Veteran]

It's been talked about by Ben gvir. It's been talked about by Netanyahu.

[Nick Fuentes]

Every IDF soldier wears that.

[Military Veteran]

The most of them do, yes. They even had.

[Nick Fuentes]

Why not all of them if it's systemic, man, you were just. Why not? Can you answer a question? Just answer one question.

[Military Veteran]

You're not asking questions

[Nick Fuentes]

just so everyone knows that was recycled.

[Military Veteran]

That wasn't a recycled page.

[Nick Fuentes]

It was a unit that was wearing that.

[Military Veteran]

That is a prophetic thing for Israel. Okay.

[Moderator]

What book?

[Military Veteran]

Okay, let me ask you about your Jewish Faith.

[Nick Fuentes]

I'm not Jew.

[Military Veteran]

Okay, so tell me what the Talmud says.

[Nick Fuentes]

I'm not Jewish. Dude, I'm fucking Jewish.

[Moderator]

I said that.

[Military Veteran]

I don't believe you. I think you are Jewish. I think you are Jewish. Yes. Well, are you a Christian? Are you a Christian and you stand up for Israel? What do you believe?

[Nick Fuentes]

I'm a Noah High. Dude.

[Military Veteran]

You're a who?

[Christian Commentator]

Jesus.

[Nick Fuentes]

You're so dumb. Can I tell somebody that?

[Military Veteran]

Are you. I'm not dumb. You're a Christian. You're a Jew. Who are you?

[Nick Fuentes]

I told you, I'm a Noahide.

[Military Veteran]

A Noahide?

[Nick Fuentes]

Yes. Also covenant of Noah.

[Military Veteran]

Exactly. So you're a Jew.

[Nick Fuentes]

I'm not a Jew.

[Military Veteran]

You are a Jews. Noahide laws.

[Nick Fuentes]

No eye laws are in the Old Testament holy.

[Military Veteran]

Exactly. And what are the. What are the Jews? What are the Jews? Christians accept Jesus in the New Testament and the Old Testament. Suggestions? Yeah.

[Pro-Palestinian Activist]

What the.

[Military Veteran]

So you're a Jew. You're a Jew. Pretending I'm a Noah. You're just making up.

[Nick Fuentes]

Oh my gosh. Jews are not Noah Heights. In fact, they have six.

[Military Veteran]

The Noahide laws are what Israel's pushing

[Nick Fuentes]

right now for everyone. It's all in fact the Jews.

[Military Veteran]

No, that's not for everyone. Jesus is the new covenant.

[Nick Fuentes]

Jesus would agree with the Noahide laws.

[Military Veteran]

Why would Jesus agree with the Noahide laws?

[Nick Fuentes]

Do you know what they are like?

[Military Veteran]

You tell me.

[Nick Fuentes]

Do you think murder should be allowed?

[Military Veteran]

You're talking about the ten Commandments here. We talking about no high laws. Both they say you can only worship one God in the no high laws. Correct. Who's that guy?

[Liberal Analyst]

Correct.

[Nick Fuentes]

Which God is Abraham, Isaac and Jacob.

[Military Veteran]

God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. Right. So. But it doesn't agree in the Noahide laws that Jesus is the son of God. Correct.

[Nick Fuentes]

No, I do not believe Jesus is the son of God.

[Military Veteran]

Exactly.

[Nick Fuentes]

So true.

[Military Veteran]

So you believe in the Noah had laws and you believe in the God of Abraham.

[Palestinian American]

Correct.

[Nick Fuentes]

Yes.

[Military Veteran]

So you basically are a Jew.

[Nick Fuentes]

Okay.

[Palestinian American]

Yeah.

[Military Veteran]

I mean, right? Yeah.

[Nick Fuentes]

Okay, Exactly. So you're basically kosher. Do I do Shabbats? Do I do any of that? No.

[Military Veteran]

I don't know. Most of the people that founded Israel or atheists. Atheist. So I don't know.

[Nick Fuentes]

Why are you bringing up Judaism then right now?

[Military Veteran]

Well, because a lot of people claim to be Jews and stick up for Israel and have all these.

[Nick Fuentes]

Why would I be a Christian? I would tell you if I was a Jew. I don't know if I'm a guy that's supporting genocide and I'm just the Evil of evil. Why would I be scared to tell you? Especially that I'm a Jew. I'm not a Jew.

[Military Veteran]

You're not a Jew, but you follow Noah, Hyde. So who follows Noah?

[Nick Fuentes]

Everyone should follow Noahide.

[Military Veteran]

That's your opinion. But in the Bible.

[Nick Fuentes]

That's literally in the Bible. It's in the book of Genesis, dude. After Jesus.

[Military Veteran]

I don't care about the book of Jesus, Genesis.

[Nick Fuentes]

I bet you don't. Yeah, so that's insane.

[Military Veteran]

When Jesus came, all that got washed away in the New Testament.

[Nick Fuentes]

So when.

[Military Veteran]

Forgiveness.

[Nick Fuentes]

So when Jesus. Because I believe in Jesus, I don't fulfill the law, not replace it, or destroy it. What did he mean?

[Military Veteran]

I don't worship ball and sacrifice kids.

[Nick Fuentes]

Can you answer that? When Jesus said, I'm here to fulfill the law, not replace it or destroy it, what did he mean by that?

[Military Veteran]

He's fulfilling the law. He's essentially the covenant.

[Nick Fuentes]

Why did he say not replace with him?

[Palestinian American]

Right.

[Nick Fuentes]

Why did he say not replace it?

[Military Veteran]

He didn't say not replace it.

[Middle Eastern Commentator]

Oh, my.

[Military Veteran]

So you're. It's talking about your translation. Do you realize the Bible was. Here's the problem with Romans 11. Here's what they say to the synagogue. Paul concerted himself. And Paul is.

[Nick Fuentes]

You don't agree with Paul as a Christian at all.

[Military Veteran]

At all.

[Nick Fuentes]

Paul, this is the worst Christian ever.

[Military Veteran]

No, I'm not the worst Christian ever. See, here's the thing.

[Nick Fuentes]

He was inspired on the road to Damascus by Jesus.

[Military Veteran]

You don't get to dictate how I look at my face.

[Liberal Analyst]

No, I don't.

[Nick Fuentes]

You believe what you want, but telling yourself a Christian is wild. And then you're. You're trashing.

[Military Veteran]

I am trashing Paul. Okay? Because Paul contradicts.

[Nick Fuentes]

So what did Jesus say to the Samaritan woman about salvation? Where does it come from?

[Military Veteran]

Salvation comes from Jesus.

[Nick Fuentes]

No, he says salvation comes from the Jews. He said this to the Samaritans.

[Military Veteran]

No, he did not. Jesus never said Jews. There is no word in the. See, here's the problem with people like you that don't know the Bible. Well, let me. All right, let me. No, no, actually, let me finish. Nowhere in the Bible does it say Jew. In the original Koine Greek writing of the Bible, it says, thank you, Udeus, which means Judah.

[Nick Fuentes]

John 4:22. Salvation comes from the Jews, meaning the Jewish people.

[Military Veteran]

It didn't say Jews. It did not say Jews in the original text. Jew was created.

[Nick Fuentes]

Just pull up John 4:22.

[Military Veteran]

Time out. Time out. You're not going to gaslight me on this.

[Nick Fuentes]

Where's your full of shit? Maybe I'm wrong.

[Military Veteran]

No, no, no. We're not going to read in English because what I'm about to say is going to be proven true. In the original writing of the Bible, it said Udeus or dei. Time out. Stop talking. Stop talking. It says Udeus or dei, which means Judah or Judean. It does not say Jew. Let me finish. Jew was added much later when English was translated, because Judaism wasn't even Judaism at first. It was called Yahwism. And Yahwism was created after the time of Jesus. Yahweh was created between 70-300 AD in Mesopotamia, Babylon. By rabbis. Right. And then.

[Nick Fuentes]

Are you saying John 4:22 and it was called Yahweh? You're yapping.

[Military Veteran]

No, I'm not yapping.

[Nick Fuentes]

Did John 4:22 say salvation comes from Jesus like you said?

[Military Veteran]

It comes from his people.

[Nick Fuentes]

Correct. Because he comes from.

[Military Veteran]

The Jews are not his people. Nobody knows who Jews are today.

[Liberal Analyst]

That's great.

[Military Veteran]

But there are people who converted.

[Nick Fuentes]

You changed it.

[Military Veteran]

No, no, no.

[Nick Fuentes]

He said it comes from Jesus. That's what he said. Now you're saying he meant Judea. You're changing your claim.

[Military Veteran]

I'm not changing my claim. Salvation is through Jesus. But the people he's talking about in context of that verse is not the Jews. The Jews changed the Bible later, specifically after the Scofield Bible.

[Nick Fuentes]

Regardless, Jesus never said Jew because Jew

[Military Veteran]

didn't mean Jew was created in the Middle Ages. The word Jew did not exist till like the 1500s. Actually, the J was invented in 1524.

[Nick Fuentes]

It would actually be the original.

[Military Veteran]

These are just full of.

[Nick Fuentes]

It actually comes from the original Hebrew and it actually comes after the Babylonian exile. You're incorrect.

[Military Veteran]

If writ. It wasn't called Hebrew. It was called Ivret and Jews.

[Nick Fuentes]

Wait, Holy. You're dumb, dude. It's not Everett. And do you know what evlit means? It's Hebrew for Hebrew. In English, it's called Hebrew. The Hebrew is.

[Military Veteran]

It was a Canaanite language.

[Nick Fuentes]

It's like saying it's not Persian, it's. It's Parsi. Yeah, that's the Persian word for Canaan.

[Military Veteran]

Dude, I love it when you. No, you're just getting angry. I think you said wrong Hebrew. All you have is anger.

[Nick Fuentes]

Because I'm proving you.

[Military Veteran]

No, no, look up the Hebrew. Hebrew. That's the English word. Is Hebrew.

[Liberal Analyst]

Correct.

[Military Veteran]

Was what it was called. That's the name. Yeah, man, you were. You were just. You were dancing.

[Nick Fuentes]

You said it wasn't called Hebrew. It Was called I.

[Military Veteran]

Is the name Hebrew? Is what. What it's called now in English?

[Nick Fuentes]

How do you say Persian in Persian?

[Military Veteran]

I have no idea. I'm not Persian.

[Nick Fuentes]

You have to be. You don't have to be. Okay. Parsi. Or as it later was Farsi because the Arabs could not pronounce the P. So it became Farsi.

[Military Veteran]

Exactly.

[Nick Fuentes]

So Hebrew, what you just said essentially was, it's not Persian. It's Parsi or Farsi.

[Military Veteran]

No, no. What I just said is. Is you call a language that was called Ivrit Hebrew. Now do you know how dumb you sound?

[Liberal Analyst]

English translation.

[Middle Eastern Commentator]

We're speaking

[Nick Fuentes]

English.

[Military Veteran]

That's the Jewish lie. Oh, my God. Because Jews tried to take Hebrew English.

[Nick Fuentes]

We are speaking Hebrew because that's the English translation. What was Jesus?

[Military Veteran]

That's not the name of the Lord.

[Nick Fuentes]

Why did you say Jesus?

[Military Veteran]

Yeshua.

[Nick Fuentes]

Yes. Why did you say Jesus?

[Military Veteran]

Did you say Jesus? That's common knowledge.

[Nick Fuentes]

Why? Why did you say Jesus? Why did you say Jesus and not Yeshua?

[Military Veteran]

When they were doing the canon, they changed you.

[Nick Fuentes]

Why are you saying it right now?

[Military Veteran]

Because majority of people know Jesus because

[Nick Fuentes]

of what language they're speaking. Right?

[Military Veteran]

Yes.

[Nick Fuentes]

Thank you.

[Military Veteran]

But you can still say Yeshua because that's his.

[Nick Fuentes]

And I could have said ivli. You wouldn't have known what that is.

[Military Veteran]

It's not because of what language I'm speaking. Hold up. And that's where you're way wrong. They translated it during the canon creation of the Bible. It's not hilarious. You're a fucking retard. I don't think I've ever had a conversation with someone as dumb as you. It's not hilarious. When they translated.

[Nick Fuentes]

It's not Spanish. It's Espanol.

[Military Veteran]

You're saying that, not me. Ifrit was the name of the language. You're calling it Hebrew because Jews, who are liars about everything. No, it's not. It's Ibrit.

[Pro-Palestinian Activist]

It is.

[Military Veteran]

No, it's not. You call it Hebrew now.

[Nick Fuentes]

If I say I'm saying I am speaking.

[Military Veteran]

That's like saying a Judean's a Jew. It's retarded. You have a strawman argument about everything.

[Nick Fuentes]

What the Hebrew word for Hebrew is, man.

[Military Veteran]

It's Ivrit.

[Palestinian American]

Yes. Yeah.

[Military Veteran]

That's the name of the language. It's not Hebrew. It's Ivrit.

[Nick Fuentes]

That's the Hebrew word for the language.

[Military Veteran]

No, it's not. That's the name of the language. You're calling it Hebrew.

[Moderator]

Hebrew.

[Nick Fuentes]

That's the Hebrew word for Hebrew.

[Military Veteran]

That's not the Hebrew word. What are you talking about? Hebrew word for Hebrew right now.

[Nick Fuentes]

Okay, yeah, we're going.

[Palestinian American]

We're going.

[Nick Fuentes]

We're going in circles.

[Military Veteran]

We're going in circles. It's going nowhere.

[Liberal Analyst]

Yeah, man, it's been a while.

[Military Veteran]

My point is, man, you are just trying to change definitions. Yeah.

[Nick Fuentes]

So I. I know. You've reached.

[Moderator]

Thank you.

[Christian Commentator]

Okay.

[Pro-Palestinian Activist]

Wrap it up, though.

[Military Veteran]

Okay. That doesn't matter because. Oh, man. Dude, I'm. I'm done with people like you. I. Yeah. Good luck, buddy.

[Pro-Palestinian Activist]

Good luck.

[Nick Fuentes]

Thanks for watching all the way to the end, guys, please hit like and subscribe. It helps us grow the show and helps us get bigger guests. Thank you so much. Okay, so why do you believe this is a genocide?

[Christian Commentator]

Well, I think if it's not a genocide, then maybe we need to create a new word like we did in World War II for what's going on. Because I feel like what we're doing is we're kind of like, parsing at definitions, which I understand is very, very important, but I feel like, what does that do to service? What it does to service is placate what's going on there now and what has been going on since October 2023. So are we saying that's okay, that's good? I know you were talking about they haven't killed that many civilians. The civilians that they have killed, is that worth stopping? Like, out of those thousands of rockets, how many of those rockets actually hit? You know, like, if we're kind of making this calculus.

[Nick Fuentes]

That's your question. You're kind of stopping the question halfway through.

[Christian Commentator]

Okay, I guess my question is, what. What would we call it? If you wouldn't call it a genocide, what would you want to. You just want to call it war? Okay.

[Nick Fuentes]

Does that mean that there's no war crimes or no individual IDF members that have done nothing wrong and they're perfect? Of course not.

[Christian Commentator]

Sure.

[Nick Fuentes]

And again, as I said before, if they do absolutely, they should be punished. Just like I would say for the US military. Again, I served for about 12 years. I would 100 agree with that. But your. Your question of is it worth. What was. What were you going to finish with that?

[Christian Commentator]

Well, I guess my.

[Nick Fuentes]

Is the destruction worth a prolonged security and the indefinite meaning When I look

[Christian Commentator]

at drone footage and I think this happens to a lot of people that aren't even educated on the subject at all. And just seeing aerial footage of what, how Gaza has been flattened, how multiple leadership within the Israeli government. Talk about wanting to flatten it, wanting to starve them, and this is Based.

[Nick Fuentes]

This is starve them.

[Christian Commentator]

Yeah. I mean, the report from Bet Salem, that's an Israeli organization.

[Nick Fuentes]

Yeah, I know them.

[Christian Commentator]

Right. Okay, so they said that the actions of leadership, when they're showing intent and they're saying, let's jets flatten them. Bomb all of them. I know. That doesn't mean. Those are all flattened.

[Nick Fuentes]

Yes. Anything that's an offensive capability by Hamas, I think they should absolutely flatten. I was just. I just was in the Gaza envelope about a month ago, and I still saw a pretty tall building standing. I think they should flatten them if Hamas utilizes it as an offensive capability. Do you know of an area of Gaza that before October 7th that Hamas didn't have control of?

[Christian Commentator]

No.

[Nick Fuentes]

Does Hamas have any military bases? Not tunnels, like military bases, where they say, hey, this is our military or militant operations. It's where we store our weapons. It's secluded from the, you know, like military bases, just like everyone else. Do they have any?

[Christian Commentator]

I'm sure they do, yeah.

[Nick Fuentes]

Really? No, no, no, definitely.

[Christian Commentator]

They just. Hi. You're saying they set up military bases in, like, civilian infrastructure? Is that what you're saying? Well, and that's why they needed to destroy.

[Nick Fuentes]

Can we both agree that Gaza is a densely populated area?

[Christian Commentator]

Oh, of course.

[Nick Fuentes]

Okay, so if they don't have military bases, where do they do their operations at of.

[Christian Commentator]

Out of civilian areas? I mean, similar to.

[Nick Fuentes]

Where is their offensive capability?

[Christian Commentator]

Where. Isn't the Mossad in the IDF based in Tel Aviv?

[Nick Fuentes]

No, they're not based in Tel Aviv. They have an office.

[Christian Commentator]

They have a headquarters there. Okay, yeah, in a very densely populated civilian area. But. Okay, I'm not making. I'm not a military.

[Nick Fuentes]

Wait, hold on. That's not a military base. I. The US Military has US Navy recruiting stations, and that's not a military base. That's just an office. Okay, but if they put their military base right smack in the middle of, like, a bunch of skyscrapers, sure. I'd be like, why are you doing that? That's ridicul. Okay, but real quick, my question is, is if they don't have military bases, they have civilian. They use. Utilize civilian areas. Densely populated area. What do they do? They have uniforms. Hamas.

[Christian Commentator]

Hamas.

[Nick Fuentes]

No. Yes, they do.

[Christian Commentator]

They do. Well, I mean, I guess they have,

[Nick Fuentes]

like, you've seen the propaganda. Sieges when they were releasing the. The hostages and they were forcing them to do certain things, and they're like, look at the hostages we're seeing. They're all wearing military uniforms. What do they wear when they fight?

[Christian Commentator]

Why civilian clothes?

[Nick Fuentes]

Why? Let's see.

[Christian Commentator]

It's gorilla war. It's guerrilla warfare. Yeah. I don't think. It's not terrorism. I'm not here to defend Hamas.

[Nick Fuentes]

I'm not on a terrorism. Although, yes, it is. I'm asking you, what's the advantage? Why would you take off tactical gear?

[Christian Commentator]

You blend into with civilians?

[Nick Fuentes]

What's that called?

[Christian Commentator]

Did you want to tell me?

[Nick Fuentes]

Is this Human shields?

[Christian Commentator]

Okay. Okay, cool. All right. Do you think. Okay, so can we make a little, like, caveat on the human shield thing? I'm just curious what you think. So let's say there isn't a good example. I like, people like to say, like, the Mexico example. If Mexico attacked us, like, October 7th, how would we respond?

[Nick Fuentes]

Right.

[Christian Commentator]

I don't think that's a great example. I think maybe a better example would be, what if natives came off a reservation that we have contentious, you know, relationship with over the years, they came off and committed some atrocious terrorist attack. Okay. Those same natives retreated back to the reservation and hid inside an elementary school. Do you think Americans would be okay with bombing that elementary school, killing all the civilians there just to get to some terrorists? That's my question. Do you think Americans would be able

[Nick Fuentes]

to isolate the area and do exactly what Israel did from day one and say, you need to go to this zone if you decide to. Wait, what is your question here? You're saying that they can isolate this area as a red zone and all the kids are going to school that day?

[Christian Commentator]

No, I'm saying that the false equivalency, the human. I'm. I've never said it's gonna be a perfect equivalency. I'm trying to say the human shield argument. We don't just say. Well, they're using.

[Nick Fuentes]

I understand your question. Okay, so what you're saying is, is to get one Hamas guy, would I justify killing 500 Palestinians? No, of course not. Okay, can you tell me a time that happened?

[Christian Commentator]

Well, I mean, if you look at the ratios, it's up to at least 80,000 dead. And between 50 to 60 of those are women, children and elderly.

[Nick Fuentes]

Thousand and no.

[Christian Commentator]

How do you know it's not 80,000? Israel doesn't really let journalists into Israel.

[Nick Fuentes]

There has been journalists into Gaza.

[Christian Commentator]

A couple, sure. But like the. They let more influencers.

[Nick Fuentes]

Was in there young. It's whatever. That guy from Fox News, he's not even particularly pro Israel. He was in there. What are you talking about? Okay, any other information from Piers Morgan, who keeps asking the stupid question about why did international Sorry. Why did international journalists not go in? He's just wrong. I don't know where he gets it from. I don't know why people don't push back on him. Let me ask you a question. How come before Israel actually took control of the Rafa crossing during this war, how come the international journalists didn't just go through Egypt?

[Christian Commentator]

I don't know.

[Nick Fuentes]

Great question. That is a great question. Maybe it's because it's propaganda against Israel and they'd had no interest in actually going into Gaza, so they just would have went into Egypt and then they could have worked with Hamas, the governing authority at the time. They could have worked with Egypt. I don't think Egypt would have allowed them, I'll be honest with you. Which is a totally different question we can ask.

[Christian Commentator]

So do you think all of the. Because the, like Bethsalam, when they say that it constitutes what Israel is doing, a genocide, it's not really about the killing of Palestinians. It's more about removing the civilian infrastructure, food, starvation, that kind of stuff. That's kind of their argument. So what is your argument against that? That, like, especially if you have leadership in Israel saying, yes, starve them out?

[Pro-Palestinian Activist]

Yes.

[Nick Fuentes]

If I don't know who you're talking about. I believe you though. 100. If somebody said we should starve them all to death. That is absolutely aboriginal. That's a disgusting thing to say. I don't agree with that. And. And if the government wants to do a better job of that, they should definitely. I don't know if there's something in Israel that's equivalent of censuring somebody, but they should do at minimum that and work on getting rid of that person. It doesn't do Israel any good. Great.

[Christian Commentator]

Yeah, I agree. And I think, and I. And I've noticed that this has since October 7th, and of course a lot of the stuff has been going on online. There's a lot of anti Israel, anti Jew content all over Instagram that's valid for sure. And anti Semitism has blown up all around the world. This is making it so much less safe for Jews in Diaspora. And so my question is, though, if Betselem is saying the leadership in Israel wants these things to happen, and you're saying that's not their intent, but effectively they are happening. So how does that.

[Nick Fuentes]

I don't think effectively anything you said is happening.

[Christian Commentator]

So people hadn't been malnourished and has anyone been malnourished?

[Nick Fuentes]

Yes, as a weapon of war? Of course not.

[Christian Commentator]

What.

[Nick Fuentes]

Why would you say that? Well, I read the entire 80 plus page report on the IPC report where they actually got their information. First off, they, they had to establish a new standard that they have utilized. I think once in the past of, of mid. Upper arm circumference. Right. And they established the lower end of that. Even then they found that they couldn't even reach. I think it was 15. They couldn't even reach that 15% with the full sample size that they gave. So what did they do? They ended up using a sample size that was half the amount. It wasn't the full amount. And they barely got over that 15%. And even then they could still only claim phase five during or sorry, just in the area of the Gaza governorate. There's five different areas of Gaza, North Gaza, Gaza, Del Albala, Kanye and Rafah. They still could only apply it to that one area, which by the way has been a red zone that Palestinians shouldn't have been in that area. But nonetheless, that's the only area they were able to apply it. Now let me ask you, do you know that the UN came out and they said that. I think it was up to 90%, but around 80%, give or take, of their trucks had been. Were being looted. Not necessarily by Hamas, just in general, just being.

[Christian Commentator]

I, I have heard that, that they're being looted. I haven't heard that. That that's been connected directly to being like a organized front that Hamas stole all.

[Nick Fuentes]

I'm not saying it was all Hamas. I'm not saying it wasn't just people that were like, I just want to loot this. Maybe opportunist. I'm not saying any of that. I'm just saying it doesn't matter. And I, I'll explain why. Let's say that area, that truck. Excuse me, is supposed to restock Jabalia.

[Liberal Analyst]

Okay.

[Christian Commentator]

Okay. What is. Oh, like an area. I don't know if that was like food or something. Sorry.

[Nick Fuentes]

So let's say they're going to restock that, but it gets looted near the Karen Shalom crossing. Right. Which is down there towards the south. I believe you. What ends up happening to the stocks that were supposed to go to Jabalia, regardless if it was looted by Hamas or aliens took it. What happens to the stocks that were supposed to be looted or sorry, not looted. Stockton in Jabalia.

[Christian Commentator]

Yeah, they get looted. Right.

[Nick Fuentes]

They don't make it.

[Christian Commentator]

Yeah.

[Nick Fuentes]

So yeah. Does stuff like that happen? Yes. Does that mean that there could be pockets of, of people that are going hungry?

[Christian Commentator]

Does that mean it's okay? So if no, no, no, it's not okay. Israel knows that. Let's say Hamas is stealing all of it. If Israel knows they are, so then they know it's hurting the.

[Nick Fuentes]

Thank you. That's a perfect example. Israel offered to help the United nations and provide security and the GHF actually came out. That was the American organization. They came out and they said, hey, all this extra food that you have hundreds of truckloads of food that you are not able to produce out, we will take it for you and produce it. Or sorry, not produce it, give it

[Christian Commentator]

out for you, distribute.

[Nick Fuentes]

The United nations said no because they didn't want to work with them, which I find insane. Because if there truly is thousands to hundreds of thousands of people starving, the goal is to help them.

[Middle Eastern Commentator]

Right.

[Nick Fuentes]

And you're going to be petty about it. I get that. That's insane.

[Pro-Palestinian Activist]

Now.

[Nick Fuentes]

The reason they said no is because they know it wasn't a systematic starvation. There's also a BBC article. You can look into it. There was a Palestinian woman in Gaza. Her name's on there. I. I want to say it was. Her last name was Kali. I can't remember. It started with a K. Anyways, her husband died five years ago from cancer. So she was a widow with three children. She said that her neighbors. Her children are crying because they are hungry. They don't have enough food. But she didn't blame Israel. She said her neighbors are all getting food because they're aligned with Hamas and she's not. And Hamas was giving them food. This is her name on there. She's a Gazan woman. And BBC is not exactly pro Israel. This is the same organization.

[Christian Commentator]

I believe you. I believe you know Hamas is evil. Absolutely. And I would never.

[Nick Fuentes]

So actually my point is, is starvation happy amount of nutrition happening? Yes. And I think it's awful. I don't even like war. I think there's always going to be bad things in war. But to come up here, and I don't know if you're saying this to say that Israel is doing some kind of systematic starvation technique.

[Christian Commentator]

No, no, no. What I'm saying is this is that if Israeli, if Israeli organizations like Betsalem themselves are saying that, that if in effect people are malnourished, civilian infrastructure is gone, they can't live there, you are moving them out of there. That is a destruction of a people in whole or in part. And that constitutes.

[Nick Fuentes]

There is not. In fact, the second to last page of the genocide convention specifically says cultural destruction does not suffice, nor to simply disperse and agree.

[Christian Commentator]

Okay, beautiful. I'm actually glad you said that because then I really think we should come up with a new word because I think what's been going on there, it has really, really broken people's hearts. Like, I was very, very pro Israel prior to a lot of things that was going on. My heart broke during October. Sevent talked about it. I thought it was a horrible. It was. I couldn't believe what I was seeing, you know, and I'm not.

[Nick Fuentes]

Do you think Hamas knew how Israel would respond with October 7th?

[Military Veteran]

Probably, yeah.

[Nick Fuentes]

Did they warn any of their civilians or do anything to build infrastructure? There's actually a report out that the rebar, you know, the thing that actually. Yeah. The reason some of these buildings are falling. When Israel bombs a building and there's a building that wasn't even touched that's collapsing. You know why? Because Hamas took the rebar that was supposed to go to that structure and they put it into their territory tunnels. So, yeah, I'm glad you brought it up, but keep going.

[Christian Commentator]

Well, I guess like this, we are all, especially as Americans are going to have to answer for this because Israel is our greatest ally, whether we want it or not, answer to the world. We are supposed to have some kind of moral authority. When we go around and people commit atrocities around the world, we should have some kind of moral authority. Do not.

[Nick Fuentes]

We're answering to. Tell me specifically who we're answering to. The United States of America.

[Christian Commentator]

Our own moral. Our own moral authority. That's what we answered.

[Nick Fuentes]

My value is moral authority in terms of the future. On as much as contemporary times, the security of that region is more important to me than the decision that many Palestinians made on October 7th and who they've supported up to this point. Did you know, if you were to take a guess, the Palestinians, the support that they had for Hamas, has it gone up or down since October 7th?

[Christian Commentator]

Up, probably.

[Nick Fuentes]

It's gone down, actually.

[Christian Commentator]

Oh, okay. Maybe.

[Nick Fuentes]

Maybe this is a wake up call and it's still not nearly as low as it needs to be, but maybe it's the opposite. What do we hear at the beginning right after October 7th? Well, if you bomb them, you're just going to create more of them. The statistics actually show the opposite. Maybe suffering a little bit actually is going to cause them not to teach their children, hey, do what your dad did the next, you know, the last time and the his dad before him. Maybe they'll actually tell their children to

[Christian Commentator]

go to the school where they just kill the kid. Because as Israel. No.

[Nick Fuentes]

Oh, sorry. I thought you're talking about.

[Christian Commentator]

No, no, we're talking because this is on, this is on the book so much that they're saying that, you know, the, the adult, adult Hamas terrorists that are attacking us on October 7th today were the ones that were children we should have killed during the last war. So that's how they're justifying going after civilian infrastructure. And that's undeniable. And would you not say that there is a slight, you know what the

[Nick Fuentes]

percentage of children is in Gaza?

[Christian Commentator]

It's a high percent.

[Nick Fuentes]

It's a very populated. Yeah, yeah, it's, you know, the percentage of, of child death is according to even Hamas's numbers, who I don't believe by the way because Eisenberg actually did a report that showed from their April 2024 list to their June 2024 list. And anyone can go look at this and go pull up both lists and I want to ID number one second. They can put in the ID number which is unique to every single Palestinian and they found that it went from 18 years old to 17 years old. And this wasn't one or two examples. It was 60 to 65% of all of them that became magically children. So I don't believe them. But let's go with Hamas's numbers. What percentage of the death toll are children?

[Christian Commentator]

I don't know the exact. I think it was 50 to 60 were children, women and, and elderly. So I don't know the exact. I think it was like 35 or something percent for children, give or take less. So it's less than what it feels like you're arguing?

[Nick Fuentes]

Yes, I mean it's scientifically. No, let me explain. I get arguing fractures. Let my child dead.

[Christian Commentator]

That mother doesn't have a child.

[Nick Fuentes]

You know, you are straw manning my argument. Argument. I did not say that that child, in fact that child should be alive and if his parents were better parents and they actually gave a. About their children, he would be alive. But unfortunately we have parents in Palestine, Gaza that rather go to the humanitarian zone and leave a six year old girl in Gaza City. They rather have that than actually give a. About their children.

[Christian Commentator]

What about this? Would you. If Israel's not committing a genocide now will you at least admit that there is leadership specifically in the Bakud party and other parts of the Knesset that, that are genocidal have used. Genocidal party?

[Nick Fuentes]

Who in the Leku Party?

[Christian Commentator]

Ben Gavir and smoked drinks. Well, there's Smoker, he's part of the current administration.

[Nick Fuentes]

Yes, I, I think Ben Gavir is a showboat. I wish he would shut the up

[Christian Commentator]

just to show him. Wait, wait, but why do you want him to shut up? Because you don't want him to reveal how genocidal he is. Is that because it actually hurts? Sorry? It hurts the Israeli cause so much when they actually speak what they think.

[Nick Fuentes]

Oh, I actually do agree. No, I listen, I'm not here to defend Ben Gavir. I think his, I think his words are abhorrent.

[Christian Commentator]

He's Hamas to me. He's the same to me. It's no different.

[Nick Fuentes]

Let me finish.

[Christian Commentator]

I think he's genocid.

[Nick Fuentes]

So let me finish because you kind of are making it seem like I said this because of a different reason. No, it's. I think he says a lot of immoral things. Sure. When he said all of Lebanon should burn. Is that what he said?

[Christian Commentator]

And for every tier of an Israeli mother, a thousand Lebanese mothers should weep.

[Nick Fuentes]

That was absolutely horrible. He should absolutely be out.

[Christian Commentator]

As a Christian, I can't stand for that.

[Nick Fuentes]

And it really hurts human. I'm not Christian or Jewish or Muslim. But I, I don't. I didn't agree with him at all. And it's not because. I mean, yes, I do agree to also makes Israel look bad because unfortunately the people on the other side, not necessarily you, they take his words and they say this is what Israelis think.

[Pro-Palestinian Activist]

Right.

[Christian Commentator]

And that's so dangerous.

[Nick Fuentes]

Yes.

[Christian Commentator]

And there's been a conflation between Zionists, Israelis, Jews. Would you, Would, Would you not agree?

[Nick Fuentes]

Yeah.

[Christian Commentator]

Do you think that being anti Zionist means you're anti Semitic?

[Nick Fuentes]

I think it depends on where it comes from. But I don't think it's an automatic anti Zionism.

[Christian Commentator]

Well, more Jew, more American Jews under 30 today are anti Zionist and pro zion Zionist actually. And then the largest contemporary, it was

[Nick Fuentes]

actually what they felt about. See here. Okay, let me explain. So that that poll was about their. I don't know, it's a support or care for the Palestinians over the Israelis. That doesn't mean you're anti Zionists. Now that's the problem is that your side has taken the word Zionist.

[Christian Commentator]

Do not define themselves as Zionists. Do not define themselves.

[Nick Fuentes]

A Z. I don't know if that's true or not. But what is. What do you think a Zionist is?

[Christian Commentator]

I, I think the term Zionist is like a Mon Bailey argument where there's something very defensible like Jews deserve a homeland for themselves.

[Nick Fuentes]

I want self determination in their land.

[Christian Commentator]

Sure, self determination in their land. But then the actual Bailey is that we have to placate and justify all of that horrific go to Israel action.

[Nick Fuentes]

Half of them do not like the government and they're all no, I know that. Not have to justify anything.

[Christian Commentator]

No, I listen. I agree 1000%. And Israel. I'm so proud of all of the Israelis that have been speaking out against this and it seems like they speak out against it a lot more than Americans do.

[Nick Fuentes]

How many Palestinians speak out against Hamas?

[Military Veteran]

Us?

[Christian Commentator]

Not enough. Yeah, not enough. I wonder.

[Nick Fuentes]

I wonder why one's a monolith more and isn't.

[Christian Commentator]

I don't. I don't think enough Israelis speak. I don't think enough Zionists and Israelis speak out against genocidal Israelis go to Tel Aviv.

[Nick Fuentes]

I promise you you will see plenty.

[Christian Commentator]

I was invited last year actually.

[Nick Fuentes]

You will see plenty. Final point.

[Christian Commentator]

I guess my, my final point would be I do think we should come up with a new word because I think it does such a disservice to. To start parsing words and I understand definitions are important, but what we're seeing is an atrocity and has been going on over and over. Atrocities have been committed against the Jews and Israelis. Absolutely. But when they're returning civilian deaths for an an IDF soldier who's somewhere where he shouldn't be, say Lebanon in South Lebanon and then they return with civilians dying after that. That's not a good equivalence. And that's not just regular war because they're not two equal sides.

[Nick Fuentes]

They're there by permission of the Lebanese government.

[Christian Commentator]

Beyond them not being two equal sides just as they are. They're absol absolutely not to equal sides because of us. We fund them, we support them. We have this whole pseudo religious extremist support of them. When it comes to the Christian Zionists in America like Ted Cruz and Mike Huckabee who's supposed to be the ambassador to the US saying yes, let Israel take all of it. I wouldn't care if they take all of it. Is that not. Is that not wild? Like that seems a little.

[Nick Fuentes]

So I guess it depends on what he meant by it. I'd rather see more Americas and Israel's in the world and more Islamist regimes.

[Christian Commentator]

The Greater Israel Project would.

[Nick Fuentes]

But if he just means all of it by like killing them and just like. No, I don't agree with that. But if he meant an the sense of would I rather see more Americas and Israel's in the world world and less irgc, I think he specifically meant

[Christian Commentator]

the Greater Israel Project which would mean annexing parts of like six different countries and starting wars. So I Really?

[Nick Fuentes]

I don't know what he meant.

[Christian Commentator]

And now that we're in ratiating our military with Israel, I think we should very much so.

[Nick Fuentes]

That's not even close.

[Christian Commentator]

I. I'm not. Wait, what do you mean?

[Nick Fuentes]

I know what you're talking about. That bill, I think it was like section 212 or 112 or something. Yeah, that's not what it says.

[Christian Commentator]

It's. We are sharing technology. Our military, we're sharing technology.

[Nick Fuentes]

We've always done. The Berke system started in 1977. We've been in that with Israel since 1977. When. Where does this complaining come from now? Yes. They've added tens of billions of dollars.

[Christian Commentator]

It's not deepening the tie or no. Is it not deepening a military Kaiser deter Israel.

[Nick Fuentes]

I have no problem with that. I actually want to pull away from the $3.8 billion a year. But probably Netanyahu. Yeah. I think that's absolutely an incredible idea. But not for the same idea maybe some anti Semites or anti Zionists think of. But I want to pull away from that.

[Christian Commentator]

And I hope you don't think I'm not an anti Semite.

[Nick Fuentes]

I don't think at all. Nor do I know he heard me on.

[Christian Commentator]

Okay, good. But it's just like I, I don't want.

[Liberal Analyst]

I don't.

[Nick Fuentes]

I don't get into the argument of being like you're an anti semi. Even if you are, I don't care. I'm gonna debate your ideas.

[Christian Commentator]

Right. No, I. That's great. But just to clarify, like I hold no hate in my heart for. To anybody. And it's because I'm passionate about this because of my Christian values and because I think everybody is absolutely equal before God and I think all ethnic supremacy is evil.

[Nick Fuentes]

Fair enough to end. I would say. I think if we were to create a word, not a brand new one, but if we were to use a word, I would say accountability.

[Christian Commentator]

Accountability. Yes.

[Nick Fuentes]

Okay, thanks for watching all the way to the end, guys. Please hit like and subscribe. It helps us grow the show and helps us get bigger guests. Thank you so much. Why do you believe this is a genocide?

[Pro-Palestinian Activist]

I believe this is a genocide based off of definition. I believe it's by intent. I think this is very strategic on purpose. For the reason of ethnic cleansing.

[Nick Fuentes]

100 SE legal and international long. No, it's not. It's actions within ethnic cleansing can violate their own stature ihl and it's also separated from genocide. So do you think it's genocide or you think it's Ethnic cleansing. You can do both, but they are separate.

[Pro-Palestinian Activist]

Definitely both together.

[Nick Fuentes]

Why do you think it's genocide? You said it was based off of ethnic cleansing.

[Pro-Palestinian Activist]

Ethnic cleansing, cleansing, blockade. I mean. Well, blockade according to you. And I mean they originally of genocide.

[Nick Fuentes]

Since you said based off the definition.

[Pro-Palestinian Activist]

Elimination of people in part or whole.

[Nick Fuentes]

Okay, okay, you're missing a very key word there. The intent.

[Middle Eastern Commentator]

Yes.

[Nick Fuentes]

To destroy a specialis and. Yep. To destroy a people in whole or in part. Yes. Based off of a protected status. Like in this case, I assume we're saying nationality. I don't think you're saying all Palestinian. I think you're saying specifically Gazans. Is that fair?

[Moderator]

Yeah.

[Nick Fuentes]

Okay, so then nationality. So why don't they have the special intent to destroy this people?

[Pro-Palestinian Activist]

I don't think that you can crush 80% of structure, discrimination, destroy buildings.

[Nick Fuentes]

It's not a concrete society.

[Pro-Palestinian Activist]

People said people, people are being forcely displaced, People are being killed, innocent people. And yes, we see tactics of guerrilla warfare being used.

[Nick Fuentes]

I'm sorry, would you displace a people in a genocide? Why would you do that? What's the purpose of displacement? Why did Israel say, say you go here. What was the.

[Pro-Palestinian Activist]

Well, originally it's because they wanted to separate the terrorists, the Hamas from civilians.

[Nick Fuentes]

Okay, so why would you displace a people? I mean, I don't know if that was particularly it because they know that the, the terrorists will just follow them. But nonetheless, what's the purpose of displacing a people?

[Pro-Palestinian Activist]

Well, to separate them, to take them away from their homes. I mean after this, the conflict, people are still in shambles, people are still in rebels. And Hamas has been what, 90, 95% eradicated.

[Nick Fuentes]

I mean, you don't have the exact numbers. I will say Hamas, they generally get the number right when they produce a number of the death hole. But they've always lied about how many civilians versus how many terrorists have been.

[Pro-Palestinian Activist]

Yeah, I mean you never get the exact numbers.

[Nick Fuentes]

But let's go with something you said. You said about 80% is destroyed. I don't think that's accurate. I think it's. I think it's 80 is damaged or destroyed, but nonetheless it's a high percentage.

[Moderator]

Percentage.

[Nick Fuentes]

I don't dispute that. Yeah, but let me ask you, what is the. Even if we went with Hamas's numbers, what percentage of the death toll or, sorry, what percentage of the population has been killed? According to Hamas population of Palestinians or, or Hamas, the Palestinians population of Gaza is about 2.1 million. Yes, they said it's about 73, 000 have been killed. If we go with Hamas's numbers, right, so that's about 3 to 4%. I don't know. I'm doing quick math. Am I head?

[Moderator]

Yeah.

[Nick Fuentes]

So can you answer me this? If 80% of the buildings have been damaged or destroyed, and I think it's fair to assume if a building collapses on you, you're almost certainly going to die, you might get lucky, but I think it's fair to say you're almost certainly going to die. Why does the percentage of the population not come even somewhat close to the percentage of destroyed buildings? My answer, and you can counter if you want, is that they got them out of the building buildings before hitting the buildings, but that doesn't sound like genocide. What's your answer for why the percentage is the disparity is so huge?

[Pro-Palestinian Activist]

I think the disparity is huge because we're playing like long term game here. 100, I think. 100.

[Nick Fuentes]

I love that answer.

[Pro-Palestinian Activist]

Yeah, it's a long term game.

[Nick Fuentes]

I, I hear this all the time and it's just like it's a long term game, but Israel's going in the opposite direction when. No, when it's killing generations.

[Pro-Palestinian Activist]

The long term game, which you can obviously see, which is why Israel controls more of the land more and more throughout the years, throughout the decade, according

[Nick Fuentes]

to the United nations, there was more births in the first year of the war alone than higher death toll in three years in Gaza.

[Pro-Palestinian Activist]

Yes, but now children also.

[Nick Fuentes]

Where are they long term plan going

[Pro-Palestinian Activist]

to play out the long term plan. I'm not going to go into like conspiracy saying there's like a Greater Israel plan.

[Nick Fuentes]

I'm not even talking about greater plan, I'm talking about genocide. You're saying the genocide's happening, but it's super duper slow, Nick. It's going to be a long term plan signed onto the board of peace. If they didn't commit this genocide in three years, if that's not long enough, when do they plan to destroy an entire population by at minimum, at minimum just killing as much as being born to keep the population the same, let alone getting it lower. I just. Tell me, I mean, I know you don't have Rudolph, but give me something

[Pro-Palestinian Activist]

of arguments because you understand, like throughout the course of years, this didn't start, which I know it's a different topic. This didn't start on October 7th. It started a long time ago.

[Nick Fuentes]

Oh, I agree, exactly. And it's continuing to happen.

[Pro-Palestinian Activist]

So it's a very, it's a very slow Process of killing out a generation of people.

[Christian Commentator]

Okay.

[Pro-Palestinian Activist]

It's everything that happened.

[Christian Commentator]

If we're going.

[Nick Fuentes]

Since 1948, the Palestinians have increased 850%. So please tell me when this long term population decline is going to happen. Tell me. I know you don't have proof, but you're the one making the claim. I am making the term. So tell me when it's going to play out.

[Pro-Palestinian Activist]

It's playing out as we speak. It's not when it's going to play. I was playing out.

[Nick Fuentes]

Doing a very.

[Pro-Palestinian Activist]

And it's.

[Nick Fuentes]

They're doing an awful job. They're not doing an awful job.

[Pro-Palestinian Activist]

Doing a great job. Because now we have the first time in human history of not. Not first time, but we see this great display, I've said, of genocide, displacement. We're seeing people. Really? Yes. We see live stream of kids getting bombed. Not the first time, but definitely the most prolific.

[Nick Fuentes]

Okay.

[Pro-Palestinian Activist]

And especially with the age of social media and. And here's.

[Nick Fuentes]

You're right. The age of social media when evidence is abundant. Abundant. And we still. You guys have the worst arguments for genocide. No, no, that's a different argument. I agree with you 100. We all can probably agree with that. We're not going to argue that because it's just going to be an agreement. Agreement. They are losing the court of public opinion. Israel is awful with it when there's

[Pro-Palestinian Activist]

more cameras than ever.

[Nick Fuentes]

I'm with you. I'm with you. I don't think that's what you're saying

[Pro-Palestinian Activist]

because usually Israel gets to control the narrative. But now you have.

[Nick Fuentes]

Right? What do you mean Israel usually gets to control the narrative.

[Pro-Palestinian Activist]

What do you mean legacy media?

[Nick Fuentes]

You think Israel controls the media? I know it.

[Pro-Palestinian Activist]

Okay.

[Nick Fuentes]

I'd like to hear about that. So you would? Yes. Does Israel control BBC, one of the largest medias in the world? Why do you have to think about that? That's legacy media now as you know it.

[Pro-Palestinian Activist]

Yeah, I do.

[Nick Fuentes]

I mean BBC, BBC. So they control BBC.

[Pro-Palestinian Activist]

They do control.

[Nick Fuentes]

BBC offered or had to put up two corrections per week every single week throughout the entire war because of anti Israel sentiment. And not just anti Israel sentiment. Anti Israel sentiment. That was a lie. So they had to correct it two times a week?

[Moderator]

Yes.

[Nick Fuentes]

For the entire war?

[Pro-Palestinian Activist]

Yes.

[Nick Fuentes]

Israel controlled that. Israel was putting up lies that made their image look terrible. Well, that's a weird strategy. I love.

[Pro-Palestinian Activist]

It is a weird strategy. And definitely I can't have anything to go against that. Because if you're putting out false information, no matter who it is, you're the

[Nick Fuentes]

one that made the claim that they control BBC. Can you explain to me how. Because you either have either proof, which, I mean, that'd be great, or you have evidence. The evidence I just provided would go against your claim. Not necessarily.

[Christian Commentator]

Okay, perfect.

[Nick Fuentes]

Explain.

[Pro-Palestinian Activist]

Not necessarily.

[Nick Fuentes]

Clearly explain.

[Pro-Palestinian Activist]

I think we should move on to the other.

[Nick Fuentes]

No, I think we should explain that.

[Pro-Palestinian Activist]

We should explain it.

[Nick Fuentes]

Yes. You made the call back down now. Or say maybe I'm wrong and then we can move on.

[Pro-Palestinian Activist]

I know I'm not wrong. I just don't have like my phone. No, you're not.

[Nick Fuentes]

Oh, you need your phone. Yeah, go ahead, look it up on your phone. Oh, my phone's not over here. You're going to look up. You're going to Google.

[Pro-Palestinian Activist]

No, I'm not.

[Nick Fuentes]

How does it.

[Pro-Palestinian Activist]

Ready? I wasn't ready to say that. Who are the people that own BBC? Who are the investors that own BBC?

[Nick Fuentes]

I mean, are you just trying to say Jewelry News Israelis. Israelis own BBC. That's interesting. Yeah. Okay, well, I guess they're anti Israel Israelis, which they.

[Christian Commentator]

Maybe.

[Pro-Palestinian Activist]

I mean, I'm not, I'm not, I'm not. But I'm saying, I mean, we just had a couple of days ago, not a couple days ago, yesterday, reporters trying to go in from CNN and then getting their van sewed with. They were stabbing like they wouldn't let them inside the country to report on this. And this is something that happened yesterday. Yesterday, CNN reporters trying to go and investigate what's happening right now in the Gaza Strip as we speak. Since the ceasefire, quote unquote, there's been over a thousand more Palestinians that have died.

[Nick Fuentes]

Yet Hamas stay away from the yellow line.

[Pro-Palestinian Activist]

That's your solution?

[Nick Fuentes]

Yes, it's very. It's pretty simple, right?

[Pro-Palestinian Activist]

The lines that can be made at any point, I mean, like I said.

[Nick Fuentes]

But they weren't. They were made a long time ago. They're even labeled in physical. They've been produced. Everyone knows about it.

[Pro-Palestinian Activist]

Acceptable.

[Nick Fuentes]

If you are a threat and you come towards the yellow line, you should. Absolutely.

[Pro-Palestinian Activist]

They can condemn anyone as a threat. That's what I'm saying. There's no threat.

[Nick Fuentes]

But that's not a good.

[Middle Eastern Commentator]

They are.

[Nick Fuentes]

That is not a good argument for your point. You can't just say they could. You're right, they could. Well, they are.

[Pro-Palestinian Activist]

That's what I'm not saying. They could not. This is not a hypothetical.

[Palestinian American]

This is.

[Pro-Palestinian Activist]

How are they doing? As we speak, eight trucks are coming in right now and innocent people, Innocent people bringing in. They said, looks like A terrorist. Let's take them out.

[Nick Fuentes]

Which are.

[Moderator]

We have.

[Nick Fuentes]

Wait, no, that's not how the trucks work. The humanitarian aid trucks actually work with the NGOs and they go to those areas. You're saying these people are coming before it reaches its final location?

[Pro-Palestinian Activist]

Actually,

[Christian Commentator]

book

[Pro-Palestinian Activist]

World Central kitchen, main organization delivering food. No, I'm talking about actually last Thursday.

[Nick Fuentes]

Okay, can you tell me what happened?

[Christian Commentator]

I don't know.

[Pro-Palestinian Activist]

Yeah, so last Thursday they came in providing aid. Two people were killed on duty.

[Nick Fuentes]

4. Is there any more information? I can't answer it if I don't know. I'll look into it after. But just for the purpose of this t. Kill injury. It was in 2024. He's talking about last Thursday.

[Pro-Palestinian Activist]

Last Thursday we have July 9th. We have Thursday. We have Wednesday, humanitarian vehicle transporting goods and then strike. Which there's still been strikes happening since the ceasefire. I'm trying to explain that happen.

[Palestinian American]

That's true.

[Military Veteran]

True.

[Moderator]

They.

[Pro-Palestinian Activist]

Where. So where is this quote, unquote ceasefire? I mean, like I said, not what

[Nick Fuentes]

it seems like the battle. That's not what a. A ceasefire particularly means. Yes, in a perfect world, that's what it means. But actually, very rarely does that actually happen.

[Pro-Palestinian Activist]

Reality.

[Nick Fuentes]

True, true. So I. Are we holding. Are we holding Israel to like a different standard or something?

[Pro-Palestinian Activist]

Well, we should. They have the whole spotlight on them. I mean, they're paying influencers to create

[Nick Fuentes]

narratives to a different standard.

[Pro-Palestinian Activist]

No, we should hold them to the standard of. Yes. You said there's a ceasefire, yet strikes are still happening. Happening. You say that there's a ceasefire, yet people are still being displaced. They've left the people, Palestinian people, in a place of no return, as they always have. I think the October 7th attack was one of the greatest things that they could happen. So it can justify again killing even more people. I truly believe this. And not only this. You understand that 50% of the population is children. So they are playing again the long term game of ruining these future generations where they can never have with.

[Nick Fuentes]

You're making a lot of like half claims. And so it's pretty difficult to. It's difficult to actually claim. I don't know, what are we looking at?

[Pro-Palestinian Activist]

I mean, that seems like a pretty good claim, but I mean, that's just.

[Nick Fuentes]

It's. It's disagreeing with you. That's why it's red. The fact check is saying you're wrong. Oh, well, yeah, good job. Anyways, so back to what I was saying. You're making a lot of like half claims. Okay, Right. So it's hard to like even talk about it very much. Right. Because it's like you're saying I believe da da, da, da. I, I believe you believe that. But can you like go a little bit deeper and explain to me why you believe it? With at minimum evidence, if not proof

[Pro-Palestinian Activist]

of why I believe what.

[Nick Fuentes]

What you said multiple things which claim like tell me, get back to the original claim. There was or is no genocide in God Gaza.

[Pro-Palestinian Activist]

Okay. So I think my, my thing is just gonna go to semantics. So I guess like I said, due to the, the definition, you can't necessarily prove intent. I think one of the great things

[Nick Fuentes]

you just admitted it's not a genocide because that's one of the two required elements. No, no, this isn't an option.

[Pro-Palestinian Activist]

Another the ICJ calls it a genocide.

[Nick Fuentes]

They haven't called. Nonetheless, they did.

[Pro-Palestinian Activist]

Hypothetically.

[Nick Fuentes]

So I already answered that question. Two elements are required. The physical and mental element. The mental being intended. Intent. You just said you can't prove intent. Therefore, if no one can prove intent. First off, yes, you can actually. But if you saying you can't or you're saying it's so difficult in. And I'm going to use your words, you said the age of social media, where the evidence is abundant, there's an abundancy of evidence.

[Pro-Palestinian Activist]

Exactly.

[Nick Fuentes]

And you still can't prove it.

[Pro-Palestinian Activist]

I mean, that's what I'm saying. There's a reason why you, why you're a minority. You can't necessarily prove intention for anything,

[Nick Fuentes]

not definitively appeal to popularity. You could say it in writing.

[Pro-Palestinian Activist]

Fighting the same way that Benjamin Netanyahu said that.

[Nick Fuentes]

So how do they, how do they use intent with the Holocaust?

[Pro-Palestinian Activist]

We're destroying more in houses in Gaza to where they have nowhere to return to. What.

[Nick Fuentes]

Who's they? And what was he talking about in 2025?

[Pro-Palestinian Activist]

May 28th.

[Nick Fuentes]

Okay, I'll look into that. How did we prove intent with the Holocaust?

[Pro-Palestinian Activist]

Well, we have writings of Hitler himself saying directly it was very, very.

[Nick Fuentes]

You ever heard of the Wansi Conference?

[Pro-Palestinian Activist]

Pardon?

[Nick Fuentes]

January 20, 1942, the Wancy Conference.

[Pro-Palestinian Activist]

I have in history that not brushed up on it.

[Nick Fuentes]

Yeah, here it is right here. Is that it? This figure says Benjamin AO says something about intent. Which one? Speaker says Benjamin AO says something about intent in relation to the Holocaust. I don't think that's particularly right.

[Pro-Palestinian Activist]

Not the holiday.

[Nick Fuentes]

I don't know. He said something about Benjamin Daniel says he doesn't want or he's destroying all the houses so Palestinians cannot return. Anyways, I'll look into it. Separately. It doesn't matter what I'm saying. The final ones, he conference. Right. It was a January 20th, 1942. Okay. And this was literally where they came up with the final solution for the Jewish people, where they actually decided from, you know, complete displacement and deportations to we're actually going to systematically kill these people. Right. If that was there alone and there was no action, you could not pin the Nazis with genocide. If the actions were there and not particularly that, you could still claim it with some of the other sayings, but it would be harder. But when you have people saying something. Okay, yeah. Which by the way, and I'm going to repeat again just to make sure it's very clear, the things that come out of like Ben Gavir's mouth and other people, I do not agree with.

[Christian Commentator]

Okay.

[Nick Fuentes]

But what I am saying is that if Ben Gavir says something and those actions aren't systematically taken, which I don't even think he has the ability to make that happen or not that, but nonetheless, then no, it wouldn't be genocide. He'd just be a piece of.

[Pro-Palestinian Activist]

See.

[Nick Fuentes]

But if he were to make a policy and there was a systematic whatever that he said and they played it out, then, yeah, you absolutely could use that in a court.

[Pro-Palestinian Activist]

So you don't believe there's any physical proof or intent

[Nick Fuentes]

do proof. Definitely not evidence.

[Christian Commentator]

Yeah.

[Nick Fuentes]

Again, listen, I'm not in this. In this business of being like, well, do you think. Think that I told you what I think?

[Moderator]

Yeah.

[Nick Fuentes]

If you guys have it, then convince me. I have no problem. I will still be pro Israel, just be very much against those people, just like I'm pro Germany, even though they are the Nazis. But I would be more than glad if you could convince me. I would be more than glad to say, you know what? That convinced me. You're absolutely right. These people are. By these people, it could be Netanyahu plus whoever else are war criminals. What's. You know, know, Throw them to the Hague all for it.

[Pro-Palestinian Activist]

I want you to.

[Nick Fuentes]

I know you. I know what you want.

[Pro-Palestinian Activist]

You know what I want. All right, so say the question.

[Nick Fuentes]

I want to say.

[Moderator]

Sure.

[Nick Fuentes]

You want me to be going easier on you? No, I'm just kidding. Go ahead.

[Pro-Palestinian Activist]

I want you to. What do you think that Israel can be condemned for the most, in your personal opinion? And I could do the same thing

[Nick Fuentes]

with Hamas or, you know, they need to do a better job with their image. And that can actually start with the Jews living in Judea and Samaria, although they're very much a minority and less than 1%, they're are some that are absolutely thugs and criminals. And it doesn't do Israel any good when these people go and they start burning olive trees or attacking Arabs and Arab neighborhoods. And they do a lot of that in Area B. And there's a reason for that, which maybe we'll get into later when we talk about maybe the next one. But the point is, is that they do that because of the security split of the hostel courts in Area B. And they're thugs and they're doing vigilantism, which I'm against. And they need to do a better job at shutting that down, because all it does is it gives the other side, especially along with just. It's not morally correct, but they give the other side a way to say, look at what Israel is doing, when in reality it's seriously less than 1%.

[Pro-Palestinian Activist]

Yeah, I can understand that. And when I said the. Even the age of social media, I mean, you could have, like one Israeli person doing something and it's going to get blown out of proportion. Everyone's gonna think this is a majority. And that's just not the case. I mean, I'm around a lot of Israeli Jews, like, all the time. Literally. My roommates, my best friend, I love him to death. My business partner, my God, Dad, Like

[Nick Fuentes]

I said, he's Israeli. Said, yeah, okay.

[Pro-Palestinian Activist]

Yeah, he is. He is.

[Military Veteran]

Final point.

[Pro-Palestinian Activist]

Final point. Definitely. Like I said, it's gonna go. I don't think you can prove intention. It's really, really hard unless you're gonna just go out and say it. And it's just.

[Christian Commentator]

If you guys are gonna have a

[Nick Fuentes]

real rough time here, I think this

[Pro-Palestinian Activist]

is the hardest one to prove. Like I said, semantics. But it's been great, for sure.

[Nick Fuentes]

Cool.

[Pro-Palestinian Activist]

Thank you so much.

[Nick Fuentes]

Thank you. Thanks for watching all the way to the end. Guys, please hit like and subscribe. It helps us grow the show and helps us get bigger guests. Thank you so much.

[Moderator]

All right. Watched a lot of debates with you lately. They don't go super well attacking you. So I'm gonna ask some more questions for understanding in the court of law, you've argued very well that it's not a genocide, but it seems that the court of public opinion, the Israel side, is not doing well.

[Nick Fuentes]

I agree.

[Moderator]

That being said, having, like, the same social media and the ability to put out content, why do you think Israel is struggling so much with that opinion?

[Nick Fuentes]

Yeah, I think. I mean, I. I just want to clear up genocide. I don't. I don't think this has Anything to do with genocide. But to answer your question per se, I think that overall, Israel is always going to. And pro Israel is always just going to have, have. We're not going to have the numbers. A quarter of the entire world is already Muslim.

[Moderator]

Okay.

[Nick Fuentes]

And not that there's not Muslim Zionists or maybe some that don't particularly care, but I think it's fair to say that generally they're going to support palace, they're going to be pro Palestinian or at least anti Israel, if not pro Palestinian. And then, you know, you look into the Red Green alliance and you have leftist Marxists. And then of course there's even people on the right wing side, what I think colloquially people call the woke.

[Christian Commentator]

Right.

[Nick Fuentes]

Add all that together, there's. You're always going to be outnumbered, which, hmm, that's fine. But when it comes to social media, social media is boosted by fake engagement. And when I say fake, I don't necessarily mean it's always literal bots, although I do think those exist, of course. But I'm just saying that people say, I mean, literally, I, I hate to bring this guy out because I think he's a piece of. But Nick Fuentes literally just said a couple days ago, he's like, you can just type in Israel and It's like, boom, 150,000 likes. And I think that's true. And it's like, that's, that's insane. Even if I saw someone that said Palestine, I, I'd scroll. Yeah. Like that's stupid.

[Moderator]

So to, to not necessarily concede, but to clarify the argument. So the ICJ has not ruled that it is a genocide. If they were to rule it, where would you see either the disconnect or you can be like, hey, like that makes sense.

[Pro-Palestinian Activist]

Yeah.

[Nick Fuentes]

I mean, just somebody else is to follow up question. If they rule it, are they providing information that we had no access to? Like, hey, here's some things and why we ruled it this way, or is it just based off their opinion? Off of everything I've already seen.

[Moderator]

So more so it would be providing the intent that you have been arguing

[Nick Fuentes]

against that based off of the information I already know about or is it something new?

[Pro-Palestinian Activist]

What.

[Moderator]

What is available now?

[Nick Fuentes]

I just, I would disagree with them. I don't particularly respect the icj, but if they were to produce something either that was new or maybe that already existed, but I haven't seen yet.

[Pro-Palestinian Activist]

Okay.

[Nick Fuentes]

It convinced me. Yeah. Then I would say that's. Oh yeah, that makes sense. It's a genocide. Okay. I would be very much against it. And I would call for for a change in the anyone that's involved in the government and leadership of Israel because either way I'd still be pro Israel in the sense that I'd want what's best for it. But I'd be very much against that people. But however, I don't believe in this idea and I think this is something on the pro Palestinian side. You guys fail at all the time is that I do not. Sorry, I just want to be blunt. I don't believe in this idea that oh someone said something so therefore I'm right. Correct the appeal to authority. Right. And I think that happens a lot. I, I, I just met you today. I met all you guys said and know he because but you know, I'm not saying you guys do that but it happens a lot. And so whether it's the ICJ or that thing that you can pay to subscribe the the international scholars IP whatever they were called, I don't care if you make an argument, if Alazera makes an argument and it's convincing, I will buy into it because you have convinced me, not because you said it.

[Moderator]

Well, I do have my note saying I'm not going to appeal to authority. But so of the things that you see now that you they have not proven that there is intent more or

[Nick Fuentes]

less do specialis specifically.

[Christian Commentator]

Right.

[Nick Fuentes]

That's the special intent that's required in genocide because intent is pretty vague.

[Moderator]

I totally agree. I had a wing guardian Leviosa joke in there for when you were going to say that, but you kept going. So the intent that you are sharing to protect civilians and do things in the correct manner, how would you say Israel is going about that now? Like I agree they are taking steps to do specific things. Pro Palestinian would say it's not enough. But could you explain to the people without arguing?

[Nick Fuentes]

Yeah, sure. I mean not enough. I just want to say would already you kind of already just conceded it's not really a genocide because of that special intent When Guardium leviosa dol specialis was there. I got it for you.

[Moderator]

Yeah.

[Nick Fuentes]

And that when, when that was there then what that specifically means and what separates that from intent and other international law law is specifically that it can't be something that they are doing for another action like targeting a Hamas member for example, or Hamas members and you get to double up and say but it also did this. So therefore I'm going to double up and call it genocide.

[Moderator]

Yeah.

[Nick Fuentes]

Dolos specialis versus just intent by itself means you are doing it with that Sole purpose of genocide. To answer your question, how do I think Israel's doing so far? Listen, I was in the US military for 12 years. During my first maybe, maybe second appointment. I couldn't leave the base. None of us could. Because a year before there was a U. United States Marine Corps guy who hired a prostitute and he killed her, I think via string strangulation. So the reason I bring that up is I think there can be individuals that do something wrong. I think the IDF is not immune from that. And if there's an IDF soldier that does something wrong, big or small, they should be absolutely punished. 100 if they were to do something like just kill somebody unjustly because they thought it was fun, right? Child, woman, man, I. If it's an innocent person, they should be thrown in jail for sure. The problem is, is people try to use these examples to try to attribute a systematic problem across all of Israel.

[Moderator]

Not quite there yet. So as far as agreement on numbers, because I know there's a lot of debate, but I, I think I'm going with your numbers here. We have 73000 deaths, 20, 000 Hamas. Are we taking that? More than that, but more than that. Oh, so what, what would the moss

[Nick Fuentes]

back in four months into the war. So November, December, January, February. Yeah, it was, it was a report released back in February that Hamas actually admitted to losing 6,000 of their members. Now at the time it was the articles at the Times of Israel and also Reuters. But anyways, 6,000 of their members and at the time it was reported as 12,000 from the IDF and I think some international reports. But let's go with Hamas's numbers, right? That's just four months into the war, 6,000 members. And that doesn't even include pig. Pig. PRC, army of Islam Brigades, PFLP, DLP collaborators, which I think should die just as much as Yaga Sinwar.

[Pro-Palestinian Activist]

So.

[Moderator]

Yeah, well, I'm not arguing with you on numbers.

[Nick Fuentes]

No, yeah, yeah, listen, Hamas has admitted, I believe they said that they've recruited somewhere between, I think 25 to 30,000, somewhere around that range. Range just during the war. And that was. That was a while ago. I don't know if they've recruited more even since then. And I believe the reports from before October 7 said there's somewhere between 35, 000 to 50, 000 Hamas members. So if you kind of, okay, combine that together, that's, let's say, at minimum, let's say 35, 000 and 25 000. That's 60, 000 Hamas members.

[Moderator]

So then only 10000 civilians.

[Nick Fuentes]

No, no, no, no. I don't think all Hamas members have died. I'm just saying. Okay, Many exist.

[Moderator]

I was very.

[Nick Fuentes]

I was not trying to say 60 000. Okay, but I wanna. What I want to ask you real quick is how many rockets and missiles and operations was hamas doing from October 6 or even early on?

[Moderator]

GRID asked this previously and I do not recall, but I, I do. Was it a thousand or what?

[Nick Fuentes]

What depends on the month. Hundreds of thousands of. Per month. How many are they sending now? How many are they sending now?

[Moderator]

I'm trying to figure out the relevance

[Nick Fuentes]

to the statement because you tell you why. Just tell me how many they're sending now.

[Moderator]

Now, I do not have the accurate information.

[Nick Fuentes]

Okay, so would you say that they have been militarily and capability wise have been decimated, if not severely weakened?

[Moderator]

Yeah.

[Nick Fuentes]

So then what does that tell you about the. And I went with the bare minimum number. What does that tell you about the 60,000? I'm not saying all 60,000 that died, but that should be a good indicator. Now if you have something to the counter, I'd be more than glad to hear it.

[Moderator]

Well, no, no, I'm not, not countering numbers. Just wanted to say what, what the numbers were. So then 170,000 injured. Are we arguing that?

[Nick Fuentes]

That, that sounds about right.

[Moderator]

Okay, and then around 2 million displaced.

[Nick Fuentes]

Yeah, for sure they displaced.

[Moderator]

So when you.

[Nick Fuentes]

That's a good thing, by the way.

[Moderator]

Yeah, we don't want to harm the civilians like def. Definitely, definitely on board with that.

[Nick Fuentes]

You either displace them in bomb or you don't displace them in bomb, which would be genocide.

[Moderator]

So I the to. Because I think we're, we're getting close on here. When intent or specialis, if you want to say it again. A. A parisum.

[Nick Fuentes]

I think that's another say special intent. It's okay.

[Moderator]

Special intent. In a court of law, who gets to decide intent? Is that the oppressor or the person being on trial or is that the judge?

[Nick Fuentes]

Yeah. So I mean you're talking about like specifically the icj.

[Moderator]

Yeah.

[Nick Fuentes]

They have a panel. Correct, with the head judge. And yes, if the person. Which they don't technically have to, but if the person were to. The defendant were to come, they're allowed to provide evidence just like any other trial. But it is a panel that they, that they go with. I don't particularly respect the ICJ or really international.

[Middle Eastern Commentator]

Dang it.

[Nick Fuentes]

No, I, I just don't I listen I and for both sides, honestly, I think they do an awful job. For the Palestinians, I think they do an awful job. When their microscopic view on Israel, I think they do an awful job. And honestly I would say the same thing. Even if they were the most pro Israel organization world I don't respect international governments. They have no authority over sovereign states in my opinion.

[Liberal Analyst]

But you get to your claim.

[Nick Fuentes]

Yeah, 11 minutes in.

[Moderator]

Yeah, absolutely. So if intense specialist is, is going to be proven, if there is certain conduct patterns, statements. Well, so if it comes to statements, you've refuted that very well. And that does not determine intent or special intent. Correct. Even when it came to the Holocaust, the saying we're going to do this thing did not determine whether it was a genocide or rapid. But sliver if, if we are going to get the genocide ruling that's going to be from the pattern and knowing of the attacks or the killing of civilians. Would you agree?

[Nick Fuentes]

Yeah, I think all that's evidence. I don't think that by itself is proof, but yeah, and including statements actually uses evidence too. But definitely not proof.

[Moderator]

Okay, so would the proof of the reoccurring bombings or attacks, would that be

[Nick Fuentes]

how many bombings has there been in Gaza? Let's just like get to the numbers real quick.

[Moderator]

That would be a fantastic.

[Nick Fuentes]

Do you know how many tons of explosives have been used in Gaza?

[Moderator]

No.

[Nick Fuentes]

So according to Al Jazeera, some should say 150,000, some say up to 200,000. Yeah, let's go with that. 200,000, that would be 200,000, £2,000. Right, right. And so that means I would say arguably it's definitely over 500,000 explosives, whether they're small explosives like drones or tank shells. Shells. Or if we're talking about the very commonly used GBU 39 which Israel actually made smaller than the American made GBU 39 to minimize civilian deaths, they're about 38 pounds give or take of explosives. Point I'm making is if you were to arguably say if the intent was there to either do indiscriminate bombing, meaning

[Moderator]

I'm saying it's a, there's a high standard like that needs to be met.

[Liberal Analyst]

Like I, I agree with.

[Nick Fuentes]

Yeah, standard right now. So if, if an explosive. Right, let's go with the GBU 39. I'm not even going to say a 2000 pound bomb, a GB 39 if the intent was to either genocide or even indiscriminately bomb, like I don't give a shit if I hit this child, this Hamas member, this, I'm just bombing. What do you think is a fair and conservative estimate of how many people would that bomb kill? I think if the intent was to kill civilians, I think regardless of the,

[Moderator]

the claimed intent, if you know what the outcome is going to be, which to, to fend for the Israel side, it's very low. I'm just saying if, if the genocide label is going to be put on it, it is going to. Because it's going to give me a conservative estimate then. Well, how many is it? One to one? Is there five to one?

[Nick Fuentes]

Sorry, what are you saying?

[Moderator]

Do I say one to five, five to one?

[Nick Fuentes]

No, I'm not talking about ratio, I'm talking about number of, of Palestinians. If the intent was to kill Palestinians, 3%.

[Moderator]

I got that.

[Nick Fuentes]

It's not what I'm asking.

[Liberal Analyst]

Hang it.

[Nick Fuentes]

If the intent was to kill Palestinians.

[Moderator]

Yes.

[Nick Fuentes]

What do you think, conservatively speaking, even that one bomb would do if the intent was to target or kill civilians?

[Moderator]

I don't think that you get to decide if it was intended to kill civilians.

[Nick Fuentes]

But it is, you're deciding that because you do believe it's a genocide, right?

[Moderator]

I believe that the standard is very high and if it is going to get there, that would be this reason

[Liberal Analyst]

and, and that's why I, I don't

[Nick Fuentes]

believe it's a genocide. Can say if you do or note, I think the, can we get somebody that believes it's a genocide?

[Moderator]

Well, I, I, I think that there needs to be a discussion about it because usually when someone says genocide they come at you with a, oh, you're a bad person. Therefore these things are happening. But in the courts it's a very high standard and I'm saying if that's going to be met, it is from these reasons and I, I think that we agree.

[Christian Commentator]

I agree with you.

[Nick Fuentes]

Thanks for watching all the way to the end, guys. Please hit like and subscribe. It helps us grow the show and helps us get, get bigger guests. Thank you so much. All right, last one of the first prompts. Could you start off Bennett?

[Liberal Analyst]

All right, so I will tell you that the reason that I've been part a lot of the protests against what Israel has been doing is I think that their, their actions reflect a collective mindset of valuing the lives of one group of people a lot less than the lives of another group of people.

[Nick Fuentes]

Is it the job of Israelis to value another people more? And is it the job of the Palestinians to value another people more than they're own? Well, I mean, I'm not saying dehumanize them, just kill them all. But I think like America's government's number one job is to care mostly about Americans. Israeli's government's number one job is to care more about Israelis than anyone else and even the Palestinians. Whether we're talking about pa, Hamas, whoever, is to care about the Palestinians more than anyone.

[Liberal Analyst]

I mean, I think it's.

[Nick Fuentes]

I agree with you.

[Liberal Analyst]

I think it's a tough question that we're not really morally consistent about when it is okay to value your own group more. I mean, I, I'll be honest.

[Nick Fuentes]

Single time I don't know about that.

[Liberal Analyst]

I mean, I'll be honest. If, I mean, do you think white people should be allowed to say that we think white white people are worth more than non white people?

[Nick Fuentes]

I, I don't care if people have a pride in color of skin. I don't particularly give a about that. I care about culture and nationality even, which goes into culture. So could they say that? Yes. Are you asking do I agree with that? I, I don't give a. I care more about culture. I mean, the answer to that is yes. Yes.

[Liberal Analyst]

I mean, I'm not even saying necessarily about culture, but just generally. Would you be comfortable with white people saying that they value the lives of other white people, not their friends or people they're related to, whether a black

[Nick Fuentes]

or a white or a Mexican? I, I don't really put much focus on people like that in my life. Now if they're going beyond that to advocate for violence against anyone, whether it be Muslims, Jews, browns, blacks, whatever, then then yeah, I would put a care into that because I'd be my fellow American. But if they're just saying it like on an expose, I, I don't care. And I think a lot of people would do better if they stopped caring about shit like that.

[Liberal Analyst]

I mean, it's one thing not to get worked up over offensive things that people say online, but I think that's a different question from whether this statement is inherently offensive. And perhaps this is the core of the moral.

[Nick Fuentes]

It's up to you if you want to get offended.

[Liberal Analyst]

I mean, that's true, but I mean, I think that our, you know, our code of morals that we live by should involve being able to clearly say, say I think that that statement is offensive is wrong. Even if it's a loser on X with 73 followers.

[Nick Fuentes]

I do think it's wrong.

[Liberal Analyst]

No offense if you have 73 followers,

[Nick Fuentes]

but I do think it's wrong. I, I'm sorry, maybe I misunderstood your question. If you're asking me like, just what do I think on a personal level. Yeah, I don't, I don't agree with that, but I thought you meant like, sorry, maybe I misunderstood your question.

[Liberal Analyst]

Okay. I mean, that's why I'm saying that I think that the, the, the country and their government's collective actions reflect a mindset of, of valuing one group of people's lives a lot less than another. And, and I do believe that that's morally wrong. And I think that is reflected in, in survey results, polls of the Israeli people. That I think it's reflected in, in their actions. I mean, are you familiar with the, the polls done by a professor, a Penn State professor, I believe, name is Tamir.

[Nick Fuentes]

So you know what I'm talking about. His actual findings.

[Liberal Analyst]

I mean, if you believer released very recently. Recently, if you believe that there's methodological errors. I'm saying he has claimed that he's done.

[Nick Fuentes]

Yeah, he wouldn't release them.

[Liberal Analyst]

I mean he's done. What he said is he's done surveys of Israelis, Muslims and Jews living in Israel. And the numbers he published were that about 80% of Israeli Jews in his survey said that they believed that all Arabs should be removed from Gaza. And about 50% of his survey respondents said that they believed all people of, of Arabic necessity should be removed from Israel. Israel. There's 50% of Israeli Jews saying they want all Arabs removed from Israel.

[Nick Fuentes]

Was it like right wing religious people? Was it people from Tel Aviv? Do you know, if you don't know, just so you don't know, I'd be very interested in learning that because if you go into Tel Aviv, it would, you wouldn't get that at all. And Tel Aviv is not the biggest city. Jerusalem is. But population wise.

[Moderator]

But it's.

[Nick Fuentes]

I think I want to say second. I could be wrong about that, but I want to say second. And so yeah, listen, I, I think if you, I think polls do this all the time. They, they do it a lot against. Are you a conservative or you listen. Liberal.

[Liberal Analyst]

Generally liberal.

[Nick Fuentes]

Okay, well, I'm conservative and so I think they do this a lot with. Against conservatives where they go into like universities which are generally going to be left wing and then they say Americans and it's just kind of like a lot of conservatives are like, when the hell did I answer that? Not me personally, but like nobody. I'm not saying that that's what happened. I'd be more than glad. I don't know if he's. Last time I checked he wouldn't really release the methodology. If we're, if we're thinking of the same one, I'd be more than glad to check into it. If you just go into Israel, that's not the case. I'm also also curious on how the question was asked and at what point was it asked? If you asked, according to the Arab research, it was. It's actually a Palestinian. It wasn't pcpsr. It was another Palestinian polling group. They asked the favorability of different groups to both Gazans and West, those in the west bank, and they found 89% supported the military wing of Hamas.

[Liberal Analyst]

And I'm not saying that there aren't racist attitudes prevalent among Palestinians living in Gaza and the west bank either, but

[Nick Fuentes]

I'm saying I think this, we think it's actually 89%.

[Liberal Analyst]

I mean, to. Your question about this is something that he, he actually agreed with your, Your speculation is something he confirmed in his findings, which is the p. I believe that people living in the larger metro areas and I think worldwide, whatever the political question, that tends to be true, people living the larger, larger metro areas will give the more progressive, skewing answers compared to people living in the rural areas. Like a lot of people do not believe. They're very surprised if you tell them about 50% of American Americans don't believe in evolution. I think it's gone down since that. But the bottom line is like you and I would think everybody we know believes in evolution. Well, there's lots of benefits to hanging out with other smart people who believe it's 50. Yeah. There was a survey that found at one point.

[Nick Fuentes]

You actually think that's true?

[Liberal Analyst]

Yes, because in, if you go to rural areas and I spent just enough time around people outside like the big cities, that I absolutely do believe. And you know, when the vote, you're

[Nick Fuentes]

kind of proving my point. Right. If you do go to those areas, you can make a poll say that. But when the poll came out, did it say rural areas or did it say Americans?

[Liberal Analyst]

No, the poll is majority of people in rural areas don't believe in evolution. The minority of people in cities do. The overall total is the 50%. It's a cross section of the whole country. And this is similar to what he found in the, in the survey of Israeli Jews, the ones that skewed most religious and most conservative and most rural.

[Nick Fuentes]

I don't think you're understanding my point. Right. Do you agree if you were to take, like you said, there's more progressives in metro areas. If you were to Take all of that. That would make makeup. I don't know what the actual percentage is of American population, but is it fair to say the majority of. Even if you add in all the rural areas?

[Christian Commentator]

Yes.

[Liberal Analyst]

And they factor that into the polling methodology.

[Nick Fuentes]

So that's, that's my point though. Is that it? I don't think they do really factor because if you were to say 50 based off of rural areas, but we're trying to get an American total, obviously you're not going to ask every single American in a poll. You try to have a methodology that gives us a general understanding, plus or minus what, 3%? The problem is that I know that not to be true because first off, even if 100% of rural people, 100% of them, which obviously some of them believe in evolution even as you live in the world, but if 100% of them said that they didn't believe in it, it still wouldn't even come to 50% of the entire country. Right. So I think what ends up happening is a lot of times these things are skewed in one direction and also depending on how the question is asked. Right. You can ask a question that's like, do you think evolution exists at all? Micro or macro? Right. Some people don't believe in macro. They believe in micro evolution. And so they might answer that question. Yes. If you come to them and you say, do you believe evolution exists? They might, the same person might say no because you didn't give that clarifying information. And they're thinking maybe they're like a biblical like freak or something. Like, I don't know. They're, they're, they just like, I don't believe in it at all. And so they say, no know, I'm not. I look into the study. I promise you I will. I hope he's released his methodology right now. I'm just saying that it doesn't make a lot of sense.

[Liberal Analyst]

Okay, well, what I've heard about it from was a article in hor. It was by Doll Dahlia Shineland. She was the person who interviewed him and summarized his findings for her article. She at least claimed that she talked to him and he was very transparent about, I don't know if you know, when it was formally public published. The article that I'm thinking of is 2025. And so Dalia, Dalia Sheinlein, Harriet's article. It should be the first thing that comes up if you search for it. And the, you know, the concerning findings are about 50% of Israeli Jews saying that they believe that all people of Arab ethnicity should be removed from Israel. I understand that if you have been to Tel Aviv and talked to people, that might seem very surprising, but that's the reason I brought up this, the evolution study. When you hang out in areas is. It's, it's easy to forget that the people outside of those areas, the reason

[Nick Fuentes]

when it was, is, and I'm not saying it necessarily justifies it, but we see throughout the whole world, actually, you'll see this in Gaza, in Israel, in America, when something very big happens, you will see a sort of winding down, like there's a spike in someone that might answer yes to that, like after October 7th. Same reason this Arab Research poll out of the. I want to say it's out of Ramallah, but it could be wrong. They show that 89% supported the military wing of Hamas. But if you look at it today, it's still, I think, way too high, but it's closer to 50%. Huge difference. Now, of course, a lot of that could be they thought Hamas was going to be the ones to free them and then they're like, man, they us over. That could be part of it, or it also could be. Or there might be a small mix of just things have died down, at least compared to just like right after October 7th. I'm not saying that that's necessarily okay. As for the Gaza one, I don't really see a problem with that in some ways. It just depends on the context, actually. But as for just like Remov moving someone like Yosef Haddad, right? That guy fights for Israel. He's an Israeli Arab, he's very well known. He's a good friend of mine. I just saw him a month ago walking with him on the streets. Everyone goes up to him, loves the guy. So I have a hard time believing 50 would say I want to kick you out or others.

[Liberal Analyst]

I mean, I've encouraged people to look more into the methodology of it. I think the relevance to this question, to get back to what you're asking about, are they committing a genocide? I just want.

[Nick Fuentes]

Sorry, I just want to say one more sentence. I don't know. 10. Attack a people based off of something as stupid as like a skin color. I attack an ideology. If you're an Israeli Arab and your ideology is to, like, you can have your problems with Israel, but your ideology is to upbring the. The country. That's. I think that's great. If you're a Jew, Muslim, whatever your ideology is to undermine it, then. Then I have no kind words for you?

[Liberal Analyst]

Yeah. And I, and I think that's great that we live in a country where most people do think that way. And even for most people that would strongly disagree with, they still agree that you should not denigrate somebody based on something at least like ethnicity. And that's why this seems so alien to us. But that's why I would encourage people to dig more into this. And so to the question of genocide and genocidal intent, I think one thing worth clarifying is there's a difference between whether the International Court of Justice can prove beyond a reasonable that I actually don't know if they use the same technical definition as for a criminal conviction in the United States. But there's a difference between proving beyond a reasonable doubt versus just what do you and I think is true? What do we think is probably totally true? I think O.J. is guilty. I think he did it. He was not criminally convicted. They could not, under our system, they could not prove it beyond a reasonable doubt. But we can still have a conversation about whether it's true that he did it. Now, the question of whether it's true, whether there's intent, I think when you're talking about a country where just over 50% of Israeli Jew. I mean, assuming that, you know, whatever caveats we can do, whatever caveats we can do, look into this. In a country where there is just over a majority of Israeli Jews believe that all Arabs could be taken out of the country, that greatly increases my.

[Nick Fuentes]

Nothing to do with genocide. I, I, I disagree with them. This has nothing to do with it. Let me, let me just ask you a question. How many people did hamas kill on October 7th in really just six hours?

[Liberal Analyst]

Best I've heard is 1200. I'm not, I'm not here to defend Hamas.

[Nick Fuentes]

I've been to the pro.

[Liberal Analyst]

Okay, I know. How about, Let me tell you, I've been to the pro Pal Palestine protests in, in Seattle, where they started chanting like, Long live October 7th. And there's a video of me going, jesus Christ, are you guys serious? And then when they did it again on the next anniversary, I went with a sign that said, free Palestine, Netanyahu, but stop cheering for Hamas, you absolute muppets.

[Nick Fuentes]

Yeah, that's good.

[Liberal Analyst]

I wanted to do the meme of the guy standing in front of the whole crowd.

[Nick Fuentes]

It was like, you're all wrong. That's awesome. I, I don't, I, I didn't say that because I think you're defending Hamas. The reason I asked is they killed about 1200. Hundred people in, in six hours, most of them civilians, even the ones that they try to claim like were idf, some of them are security and some of them just happen to be idf, but they weren't actually even wearing uniforms and they killed. So Hamas killed them. They decided they killed them because they're IDF, but nonetheless, let's go with it. So 1200 people in six hours. If Israel and that's just with AKs, grenades, fire accelerants, RPGs etc, they were able to kill that many in six hours. Right. That, that, that shows to intent. Especially with such a low capability. Do we agree Israel has much more capability than Hamas? Hamas does, yes. Okay. Do you know if Israel were to kill not even at a faster rate because even though they have jets and missiles and all that stuff, just at the same rate Hamas killed at. Do you know how long it would take to get to the death toll that we're currently at in Gaza according to Hamas?

[Liberal Analyst]

I mean if they were killing at

[Nick Fuentes]

the same rate as Hamas division problem.

[Liberal Analyst]

I. You worked it already. Tell me. Okay, so I mean Israel would have

[Nick Fuentes]

killed that Israel would have gotten the death toll that we've gotten in almost three years would have happened in two weeks if they did did if they had the same intent as Hamas. And again that's with significantly more capability.

[Liberal Analyst]

Okay, but if your point is that you don't believe that Israel is killing the maximum possible number of Gazans part

[Nick Fuentes]

of the definition of genocide number would be 2.1 million.

[Liberal Analyst]

Okay, well the maximum possible number that they could kill if you assume it

[Nick Fuentes]

would be 2.1 million.

[Liberal Analyst]

They wanted to and I, and I remember that you know, you know the group Jubalong that used to come out with the billboards and stuff like come for the bagels stay for lack of hell. And eventually they went into these much more cringy ones that say things like trust us, if we wanted to commit a genocide we would. I think what they are saying is that they, they're working from the definition of Dennis. Genocide is like wiping a people out completely. But the, the U.N. commission report for regardless of what you believe about their other advisory opinion. One of the things that they will. But the definition they were working from was destruction in whole or in part of a people based on a particular. Now you can could. Hey wait a minute, that's actually not

[Nick Fuentes]

true that you're talking about the one that was just released like a week or two ago.

[Liberal Analyst]

There are multiple ones that I, I'm not aware of these different definitions but the, the key thing Is they use the word in part, not they in whole or in part.

[Nick Fuentes]

In other words, do you know what in part means based off of case studies?

[Liberal Analyst]

I mean, it means what it means if it.

[Nick Fuentes]

You think it just means in part. So if you kill one person and you have the intent to kill that person, it's a genocide. That's in part, right.

[Liberal Analyst]

I think if you are killing a number based on a protected category, you

[Nick Fuentes]

know what the average. If you look at all the genocides in the world, right, or in history, do you know what the general average is? That the population that is being targeted goes down.

[Liberal Analyst]

I'm not saying it's the worst genocide in history.

[Nick Fuentes]

Say the worst. I said the average.

[Liberal Analyst]

Okay, well, I'm not saying it's even a percent.

[Christian Commentator]

Okay.

[Liberal Analyst]

I think that people who are claiming that Israel is committing the worst atrocity in history are very confused.

[Nick Fuentes]

But they are.

[Liberal Analyst]

I'm not saying that, but the question is whether it meets the definition of a genocide, even if it was falling short of other genocides.

[Nick Fuentes]

So in part based off of case studies specifically means. Right. You still have to prove that intent. Overall, it doesn't mean literally in part, because if it did, then you could kill one person and it would technically be a genocide.

[Christian Commentator]

Right?

[Nick Fuentes]

Because that's in part what it has to do. It has to be a substantial percentage of the population with that special intent being implied. Or it could also mean kind of like with Hitler where he had the plan to kill them all, but he just failed, but so therefore technically implied part. Right? One of those two. That's what generally case studies and other things say. It's not literally in part as in just any number, because again, then one person would be a genocide, right? Technically.

[Liberal Analyst]

But I mean, but then, you know, 70,000 is a much more realistic question

[Nick Fuentes]

is that's 70,000 civilians.

[Liberal Analyst]

Well, what. Even if you back out military fighters, that many? Well, okay, let.

[Nick Fuentes]

Let me just ask.

[Liberal Analyst]

You can go first.

[Moderator]

Why.

[Nick Fuentes]

Why do you think? Hamas. Right. Who's the biggest thing they have against Israel is the international pressure. Why do you think they don't separate like every other war in history? Obviously throughout war you have estimates, and then after the war is over, you get a more accurate measure. But they always say kind of like this many civilians, many combatants is where I thought, how come Hamas doesn't do that? Why do they inflate the number by combining it? Genocide. Why would they feel the need to do that?

[Liberal Analyst]

I'm not defending Hamas. I agree.

[Nick Fuentes]

Hamas. It's about how even you. You and I, I Actually trust that you are very good faith. And I appreciate that you are someone who calls out Hamas, but even you, one of the most moderate people I've ever talked to, even you just did it. You said in. In terms of arguing about genocide, you said 70, 000 people. And I'm not saying you did it on purpose, but that's their goal is if they say it enough, people will just say it, right? And that's the point. If you say, hey, there's a study in the 83%, people will just say it, right? We have to look into this stuff. We have to read the reports. We have to see what it to needs means. Because a lot of people I know, you know, but a lot of people don't know. They read 70,000 and they think Palestinian civilians.

[Liberal Analyst]

Well, I was responding to your invoking the number one. And I'm saying that even if you back out 80% of the people in that number, it's still a significant number. And the question of very much not the question of whether there's intent. That's why I'm saying there's a difference between us talking about whether there is intent versus whether you can prove it in international court of justice. And I'm saying it's quite realistic. I mean, let me just ask you this. So you talked earlier about the case of would Israel kill 500 innocent people in order to get one Hamas leader. I mean, there was the case of the. And the numbers are not.

[Nick Fuentes]

You're about to bring up the hospital.

[Liberal Analyst]

I was about to bring out the Jabali, a refugee camp. I mean, but okay, the fact that there's more than one example.

[Nick Fuentes]

No, no, no. It was bunked.

[Liberal Analyst]

It was a PI numbers. The numbers are.

[Nick Fuentes]

Now, hold on, hold on. It was a PIJ rocket and it was actually something that they said flat in the hospital. Then it turned out the next day, Palestinians themselves took picture. The hospital wasn't even hit. It was a parking lot. So, no, there's not multiple numbers. It was just a lie that was put out where they said 500 people were killed and it turned out not to be true.

[Liberal Analyst]

Well, the one I'm talking about was the Jabali refugee camp, in which case, I mean, there was, you know, they wanted to kill. I believe his name was Ibrahim Biari, senior Hamas leader. And they, they openly admitted that they killed a lot of innocent civilians in the process. And they had to do it. I mean, initial estimates were several hundred. I think that. I think they finally settled on three figure, lower three figures. But the Question is, if there was

[Nick Fuentes]

one last guy and 100 civilians.

[Liberal Analyst]

Ish. But let me.

[Nick Fuentes]

When you said they, who was they? You said they settled on a number. Who was they?

[Liberal Analyst]

I mean, well, they didn't truly. They settled on. The number is the wrong word because the Gaza Health ministry and the U.S. telephone do not agree.

[Nick Fuentes]

But it's, it's, it's 100. 100, okay. This is the same Hamas, by the way, that said 500 were killed at Al Ali Hospital.

[Liberal Analyst]

Okay. But Israel came out and they didn't say it was zero. They said, basically, I'm. And I don't remember exact statements like we had to get this guy.

[Nick Fuentes]

It was justified. Understand that Hamas does this every single time. The cast lead war, right? Hamas came out and said we only lost 50 of our soldiers. And they said it, and it was in the news and Israel came out and said it was 6 to 700 or I think they said 700 specifically. Then two years after the war had ended, and this is a hat article that admitted to this, Haaretz is not exactly super pro Israel, Two years after the war had ended, Hamas comes out and admits that they lost 600 during that war. This is what they do every single time. They get the number generally right, of the death toll, but they inflate the number of civilians. They wait till the war ends, add in however long when people aren't talking about as much, and then they go, oh, yeah, by the way, IDF of is right. They do this all the time.

[Liberal Analyst]

But the number of civilians who died. What I want to ask you is, do you think Israel or America or really the world would have found it acceptable if those innocent civilians had been Israeli Jews or even American citizens? Do you think, do you not believe that America would have been outraged if the same number of ridiculous, if civilian casualties.

[Nick Fuentes]

Okay, wait, let me make sure I understand your question. If a foreign country killed 70,000Americans, I'm

[Liberal Analyst]

talking about in this specific situation where Israel claimed they had a legitimate target, which I mean, for all I know, I believe this regardless of legitimate.

[Nick Fuentes]

America would be mad if 70,000 of our civilians.

[Liberal Analyst]

Not 70,000.

[Nick Fuentes]

I'm talking about 1,000.

[Liberal Analyst]

If an Israeli strike took out a senior Hamas leader and assume for the sake of argument that it was true, they targeted this guy and they got him, but there were dozens to hundreds of innocent American civilians that died in the process, do you think that Marco Rubio would have been defending it in the same way he defended Marco?

[Nick Fuentes]

Marco Rubio would go off of US Intelligence, which doesn't agree, and there's the fact check right there. We are going off of what Hamas said. So you're asking me, would he be mad because of what Hamas claims to. I don't believe Hamas at all. Because they do this not once or twice. It's not isolated. They do it every single time. Also this idea of like they'll just call any child a civilian. Do you know? And you can look this up. I think it was a few years ago, maybe it was as far back as 2014, but they actually opened up a, a camp where 50,000 children from the ages of 15 to 18 went to a Hamas camp to learn and be trained by Hamas. There's the summer camps. Summers of saplings of Jerusalem is what it's called. And same thing. So do, do you agree Hamas PIJ, they, they incorporate. I've seen as young as 13, but generally 15 year olds and older.

[Liberal Analyst]

Yeah, I mean, I think when they, when you talk about children casualties, there's a, you know, are you counting a 17 year old who's operating a machine gun? That's kind of. I'm. What I'm talking about is rather than the actual attack on the Jabali refugee camp that happened, I'm talking about a hypothetical alternative where Israel takes out a Hamas leader. But rather than Palestinian illness and civilian casualties dying, the innocent casualties are American

[Christian Commentator]

citizens

[Liberal Analyst]

building where there's a Hamas leader, they, they blow the building up.

[Nick Fuentes]

Okay, okay. In, in a, in a hypothetical that you're asking me, that doesn't actually exist. And we have to assume Hamas's numbers are correct and we switch Palestinians for Americans. Yes. They'd be mad.

[Liberal Analyst]

Okay. And I think that that's coming from a place of valuing. I don't care.

[Nick Fuentes]

People's lives are mad.

[Liberal Analyst]

I don't. I think it's coming from a place of valuing Palestinian lives a lot less than in American citizens or Israeli Jews.

[Nick Fuentes]

And that's what I think is wrong. Say one thing. I am so sick of the virtue signaling of the pro Palestinians. Stop pretending like you guys care about every single human life equally. It is okay if you have your.

[Liberal Analyst]

Why would somebody not care about your friends and your family are different. I, I would exempt people caring more about their friends and their family, but not your entire ethnic group. Your own ethnic group is not better than other.

[Palestinian American]

Other people.

[Nick Fuentes]

Small circle, okay? That's going to be like your, your children and your spouse and then it goes to like family and so on and so on. Somewhere it's going to be a big circle, but that will be your People, your nation, and then is all of humanity. That's the last circle. Does it mean you don't care about them? Of course not. They're still human beings. I didn't say they weren't. But stop giving me this where it's like, well, you know, treating them less than. Yeah, good, because it would be immoral to treat another people worse than your own people. People. And by the way, I think the same thing of the Palestinians. The Palestinians should also care about their people. They fucking don't. But they should also care about their own people more than anyone.

[Liberal Analyst]

Well, you can do it in a. In a faint like this. It doesn't make it wrong. You should care. You should not value your own ethnic group more than other people.

[Nick Fuentes]

I think ethnic group. I said nationality. Stop putting words or nationality or either way should. That's terrible. That's all right.

[Moderator]

Final statement.

[Liberal Analyst]

I mean, it's. It's pretty much just circling back to what I said at the beginning. I think the actions of Israel are reflecting a mindset. Mindset of. And the actions of the Israeli Jews who responded to the polar I'm referring to reflect a mindset of valuing their own national or ethnic group more than the lives of other people. And I think that's wrong. I'm aware that not everybody thinks so, but I think. I think that's morally wrong.

[Nick Fuentes]

I think it's morally wrong to actually put your own people in harm's way, to the point of harm or death, just to appease another people that agree with and attack you. You, Your sovereign nation. And I think that's just an insane take, but fair enough. If you learned anything from this episode or got any value at all, please share this episode with a friend. It helps us grow the channel, it helps us grow the podcast, and it means a lot to us. Thank you so much. Okay, we're moving on to the second prompt now. The prompt is there should be no Palestinian states in the West Bank. We have our first person coming up now. Please state your position

[Palestinian American]

first. I'd like to start by saying that I am a Palestinian American and I come from a small town in the Middle east called Bethlehem. That's my hometown. I'm not sure if you're familiar with it.

[Nick Fuentes]

Yeah, I was just there.

[Palestinian American]

And before we get into the discussion, and before we get into talking and debating, let me ask kindly from you not to say that you agree with me, because you don't, and not to say I fully with you, because that's a kind of show, in my opinion, that you're doing to the viewers. I am extremely disappointed with an American soldier or a veteran who served for 12 years in the Navy to still come and talk in so heartless way about the death of civilians, about the death of people, humans. You argued for the past hour and a half, half whether it's a genocide or not. And the way you mentioned and the way you talked about that was extremely disrespectful, ridiculing for the lives of fellow humans, Christians, many of them in Bethlehem. So I kindly ask you to keep it respectful, genuine and not for the show, if you don't mind.

[Nick Fuentes]

Everything I said was what I believe. I don't do this for a show.

[Palestinian American]

I'm not saying about what you believe. I'm saying about how you said it. We have so many circuses in Vegas here and so many clowns.

[Moderator]

There's.

[Palestinian American]

We don't need any more clowns.

[Nick Fuentes]

I can't. I'm not going to change the way I speak.

[Palestinian American]

All right, then you can simply say that. So you're claiming that there should be no Palestinian state for Palestinians. What's your suggestion on that? What's your alternative?

[Nick Fuentes]

Well, first, there's many alternatives that are proposed, but I don't particularly care. The claim is that I don't believe there should be a Palestinian state in the West Bank. We're not here to determine what I think should or shouldn't happen happen. I do not want there to be a Palestinian state because I find it to be another. It'll just be another terrorist ridden state. That is another way. Proxy. A proxy of the irgc.

[Palestinian American]

So this is definitely insulting for many millions of Palestinians who live there, in Bethlehem, in Jerusalem, in Ramallah, in Nablus, in all the cities that are in the West Bank.

[Nick Fuentes]

Jerusalem's not in the West Bank.

[Palestinian American]

Palestinians who lived there for centuries before the establishment of the bogue state of Israel, the terrorist state of Israel that you're supporting. The state that has kids signing their names on rockets before they launching them at the kids of Gaza. A state that teaches its citizens how to be racist from kindergarten age. A state that killed so many Americans, whether at USS Liberty or throughout the years, it saddened me that someone like you supports such a terrorist regime and go out strongly talking about their values and their fairness and all these things. So for us as Palestinians, when we look at someone like you talking about these things and rejecting our basic human rights and human dignity by having our own self determination. Right. I don't understand, where is that coming from?

[Nick Fuentes]

Do you want a State or do you want self determination or both?

[Palestinian American]

I want anything that will give me a dignified life. I don't mind living side by side by Jews in one land, in one state. I don't mind that.

[Nick Fuentes]

I don't mind Arabs living there either.

[Palestinian American]

Who are you to say you don't mind?

[Nick Fuentes]

You're an American. We're debating the topic.

[Palestinian American]

I'm not asking you to mind or not. You just agree with the idea. You don't want Palestinians to have a state, right?

[Nick Fuentes]

Is that what you're saying? Yes, that is correct. But I just want to say that

[Palestinian American]

when you say people, you call them.

[Nick Fuentes]

I do not think that Palestinians are all terrorists. I didn't say that. You're misrepresenting my words. And also I don't buy into this. Who are you into. Listen, you're right. I'm not Jewish. I'm not. I'm not Arab. But I have every right to have an opinion on this matter, just like anybody else.

[Palestinian American]

Having an opinion about something is different. About going around publicizing and promoting strongly such an ideology.

[Nick Fuentes]

Yep. I'm an American that can do that.

[Palestinian American]

Watching an ER show doesn't make you a doctor. Watching Law and Order doesn't make you a lawyer. Watching Fox News doesn't make you a political analyst.

[Nick Fuentes]

Or agreed, 100% right.

[Palestinian American]

So you can say I don't agree. You don't say. But you don't have the right to dictate on us Palestinians to decide what we want to have and how we want.

[Nick Fuentes]

I don't think I ever said what you guys should decide. I think you're really emotional arguments right now. I never said what you should decide. Decide for whatever you want. You have every. Yeah, but this doesn't get us anywhere.

[Palestinian American]

Families were okay, murdered.

[Nick Fuentes]

But that's not the same as misrepresenting my arguments. Tell me one time I ever said that I am going to decide what youth should think. I, I never said that ever. I said that. I'm giving my opinion and my opinion alone. And I have every right to do that. Not just as an American, but as a human being. And you have no right.

[Palestinian American]

You're taking that right from. You're taking that right.

[Nick Fuentes]

I don't. I think you should absolutely have every right to tell me your opinion. That's why we're talking. How am I taking that from you? We're speaking right now.

[Palestinian American]

So what are we talking about here? What are we trying to discuss here?

[Nick Fuentes]

I'm. Right now I'm asking you how did I take that away from You. When I flew all the way over here to come speak with you and others, how. What part did I take? Your right to give your opinion or your beliefs?

[Palestinian American]

I want to have a homeland.

[Nick Fuentes]

You have every right to say that. When did I say you didn't?

[Palestinian American]

I'm not talking about me saying. I'm saying we're debating. The claim is you're saying Palestinians cannot have a land. Land.

[Nick Fuentes]

Can I have a. I'm saying there. Should I me my opinion, not yours, that there should not be a Palestinian state in Judea and Samaria, what you call the West Bank.

[Palestinian American]

And why is that?

[Nick Fuentes]

That's my opinion.

[Palestinian American]

So what are we doing here? Are we discussing your opinion?

[Nick Fuentes]

Sure.

[Palestinian American]

What are we trying to do here?

[Nick Fuentes]

I. I'm going to repeat what I already said before you went off on the emotional tangent.

[Palestinian American]

I didn't go on. You're the one who's so emotional today and actually creating a little circus here, so.

[Nick Fuentes]

Okay, don't.

[Palestinian American]

Don't start that way, please.

[Nick Fuentes]

Anyway, so once again, I believe that the ideology and the culture of the Palestinians, which I find to be problematic for the Palestinians themselves, although that's not my concern, is problematic for the security of the land, even to the other Arabs.

[Palestinian American]

So you're saying Palestinians inherently are violent people. They want to kill people right and left.

[Nick Fuentes]

I love a strawman argument. I don't believe anyone inherently. I said their culture and ideology. That's not inherent. Inherent means from birth.

[Palestinian American]

Okay, you're saying that.

[Nick Fuentes]

Say the words that I said. Don't say what I said.

[Palestinian American]

Okay, I'm going out with your. Your statement. You said the Palestinian culture is violent and wants to kill people.

[Nick Fuentes]

I never even said violence. I didn't. I said it's problematic for the security of the region. And also, I don't believe. I also. I also don't believe, especially when offered multiple times, but I do not believe in just giving especially Judea and Samaria to a people who again, have rejected it multiple times that I don't think actually wanted it. Maybe you do. I'm not speaking for you. But on top of that, because they do enough acts of terrorism and kill enough people. And so the international community starts talking

[Palestinian American]

about Israeli army is committing a lot of killing and terrorism.

[Nick Fuentes]

Even if that was true, that doesn't change anything that I said. You are. You're trying to use a whataboutism right now, right? You're saying, well, the Israelis did it too, even if I agreed with you, which I don't, what does that have to do with what I Said we're

[Palestinian American]

trying to establish some standards for your claims. Why are you just. You just had a dream. You woke up this morning. You said that's what you think about Palestinians or there are certain foundations and principles behind your statements. You're saying Palestinians culture is not to be. What? Trusted what not to be cannot live in peace. Is that what you're saying? I'm trying to use your words.

[Moderator]

Yeah.

[Nick Fuentes]

I'm saying that the Palestinians have had a history of undermining not just Israel, but even surrounding Israel.

[Palestinian American]

Why would nation that let me know why would they do that?

[Nick Fuentes]

You tell me why they try to kill the third Egyptian president. You tell me why they killed the King of Jordan. Why they killed the Prime Minister of Jordan. Tell me why they sided with Saddam Hussein.

[Palestinian American]

Who killed Rabin.

[Nick Fuentes]

Yeah. An Israeli. And I'm glad he was arrested and he's not celebrating. Thank you. That's the point. You just proved my point.

[Palestinian American]

I didn't prove anything.

[Nick Fuentes]

He's not celebrated. He's not, he's not promoted. Whereas Hamas terrorists and others.

[Palestinian American]

Have you watched the movie?

[Nick Fuentes]

Are promoted.

[Palestinian American]

Have you watched the movie Patriot?

[Nick Fuentes]

Yes.

[Palestinian American]

While ago. What do you think the British royalty thought of? What's his name? Benjamin Marty.

[Nick Fuentes]

I probably didn't like him. I'm not, I'm not sure.

[Palestinian American]

You didn't like him. The, the, the, the, the hero of the movie.

[Nick Fuentes]

You're asking me what the government thought. I'm sorry.

[Palestinian American]

The royalty. The King, the, the King of England. What did they think of those Americans were fighting for their freedom.

[Moderator]

Yeah.

[Nick Fuentes]

I assume they wouldn't like people fighting for them.

[Palestinian American]

And that's what you're doing. Exactly. Exactly. Palestinians were living in prison.

[Nick Fuentes]

This is a false equivalency. This is ridiculous. Perfect example. Don't tell me that because another people did it, therefore I must be doing the same thing. Just tell me why I'm wrong.

[Palestinian American]

You're wrong because you're not looking at the history of imprisonment and brutal question. I am.

[Nick Fuentes]

I, I, you didn't. You said. When I brought up how they've also undermined surrounding Arab nations, you said what do I mean? And you cut me off as I was explaining it. Why did they side with Saddam Hussein where Kuwait had to kick them out? Why did they do the Palestinian insurgency?

[Palestinian American]

When you say.

[Nick Fuentes]

When you're talking about Kuwaiti government people and the Palestinian insurgency. That was the crux. That led to the civil war that led to the death of 130,000 to 250,000 civilians. Many of them were Christians, by the way.

[Palestinian American]

The thing is that you're trying. You're not giving yourself. You're not giving others.

[Nick Fuentes]

Why the same yourself.

[Palestinian American]

You put percentages up and down and you say, oh, it's low when it's supporting your idea or your argument, but it's high when it's supporting the other side's argument. I'm trying to tell you here that Palestinians lived for 75 years under brutal occupation. They were murdered, killed, imprisoned, tortured. Their. Their land were confiscated. Their. Their homes were bombed, their children were killed, their fathers are imprisoned. They lived a. Under brutal occupation. What do you expect from us to do?

[Nick Fuentes]

Were they occupied under the British? They were occupied under the British. He said 75 years. I'm just wondering, were they occupied under the current situation? Were they occupied under the Turks? No, they were not occupying the church. So they're Turks. What, the Turks owned the land? That's correct. Yes, they owned the land. Correct. You're saying the Ottomans didn't occupy Palestinians?

[Palestinian American]

It was not occupation. It was an empire that ruled so many lands and so many ethnicities. So they were back to the discussion, back to the discussion about the 75 years of an Israeli occupation. Now we're talking about Palestinians fighting Israelis.

[Nick Fuentes]

Yeah, sure. So I don't believe that.

[Palestinian American]

Why would you not give them the right to do that?

[Nick Fuentes]

Yeah. So even if you go with the right, since we're speaking of legality, even if you go with that, you have to follow additional protocol. One, Palestinians do not do that at all. Hamas does not do that. I don't know what you think of Hamas. It's irrelevantly.

[Palestinian American]

Any. Any occupied people who have no ability to fight back, they will use any tactics to fight back.

[Nick Fuentes]

They will. Or do they have the right to?

[Palestinian American]

I didn't say they have the right to.

[Nick Fuentes]

That's literally says, why don't they have the right? You did.

[Palestinian American]

They have the. That's expected. You put any group of people under the same circumstances that the Palestinians are being put through, they will fight back. And I'm not going to sit down and be sitting ducks.

[Nick Fuentes]

I got it, I got it, I got it. What I'm saying is that occupation doesn't breed terrorism. Terrorism breeds occupation. The security of that area is going. No, no, you have to let me finish. I heard what you said. I got it. You don't agree with me. That's why you're on that side of the table. You don't have to tell me you don't agree with me. I. I got that. What I'm saying doesn't look like you do I, I get that you don't agree with me. Trust me, I promise you, I do. Anyways, every single time that this happened, more terrorist attacks, it has led to more security, more checkpoints, walls being built that have lowered the percentage by, I think it was like up to 90% by the time the wall was finished of terrorist attacks that were happening in Israel proper. Maybe more, actually. And so, yes, you can't also expect the Israelis to do nothing when they're also attacked with terrorist attacks. Now, I get you want them to do nothing because you don't like them. And I respect your opinion, Yen, but from a logical standpoint, they're also going to do something about it, whether it be more checkpoints or security or if it'll be a war.

[Palestinian American]

But the reason the fighting happened, because of these, because of these really aggressive measures that are taken against Palestinians. Have you ever saw Palestine.

[Nick Fuentes]

They want that to happen.

[Palestinian American]

Have you ever saw Palestinians standing on a checkpoint? Have you ever noticed how long does it take for them to go to a hospital or to work or to single.

[Nick Fuentes]

Both. I've seen them go right through at times and I've seen them be with me as well. Stop.

[Palestinian American]

You, you have to understand how the masters of PR is.

[Nick Fuentes]

You know, I've been to these places.

[Palestinian American]

When you go to these places, they make you see what you want to. What you. What they want you to see. And a journalist.

[Nick Fuentes]

They knew I was going to go there.

[Palestinian American]

Journalist. A journalist going to Palestine. The Israeli soldiers will make them.

[Nick Fuentes]

I'm not a journalist. They didn't know I was there.

[Palestinian American]

I was not talking about you.

[Nick Fuentes]

So you explain my experience when I went through a checkpoint.

[Palestinian American]

I'm telling you how they make sure that wrong things or horrible things are not shown to the world. World. A journalist goes, how convenient. The journalist goes through the checkpoints or the borders from Jordan to West Bank. They have to sign a document that they are not allowed to write or share the things that they see.

[Pro-Palestinian Activist]

Yep.

[Nick Fuentes]

And the journalists in Gaza have said the exact same thing. There was a famous one, I can't remember his name, that came out and said a gun effectively was to his head while he was in Gaza. Because the Gazan, Gazan people, Hamas, the government also told them what they could or couldn't see. I don't know if he's lying or if what you're lying or what you read. I'm not going to say you.

[Palestinian American]

I'm not talking about reading. See the difference between me and you

[Nick Fuentes]

and I didn't say anything about reading.

[Palestinian American]

I'm not talking about things that I read. I'm talking about things that I live.

[Nick Fuentes]

You're a journalist?

[Palestinian American]

No, I've seen. When I cross the borders, when I go from Jordan to the west bank, when I go from Jordan to Palestine.

[Nick Fuentes]

I believe you.

[Palestinian American]

I'm saying things right there and then.

[Nick Fuentes]

I believe you.

[Palestinian American]

I go as a little kid, going through these borders, going. Crossing the points.

[Nick Fuentes]

Yes. I'm sorry. Your parents made very bad decisions. And the people before you made very bad decisions. And it led to high insecurities. Security of the land.

[Palestinian American]

How did my parents make bad decision again?

[Nick Fuentes]

By supporting what has led to this moment.

[Palestinian American]

No Hamas for 86.

[Nick Fuentes]

I used to trust the. When do I say Hamas? Do you think?

[Palestinian American]

What are you talking about?

[Nick Fuentes]

Does the plo, a terrorist organization. Were they the ones.

[Palestinian American]

There was no attacks.

[Nick Fuentes]

I'm not saying that there was an attack in that specific year. I'm not saying that the antifa.

[Palestinian American]

The intifada that took place it.

[Nick Fuentes]

Because of years and decades of 87 to 93.

[Palestinian American]

There was nothing before.

[Nick Fuentes]

There was no attacks. And ever before 87.

[Military Veteran]

Not.

[Palestinian American]

Not on the same scale.

[Nick Fuentes]

I agree. And also the security is not on the same scale. Thank you again for proving my point. I agree with you.

[Palestinian American]

Stop saying this. I'm not proving your point.

[Nick Fuentes]

You're saying it's not on the same scale. I agree with you. The security and check.

[Palestinian American]

I was humiliated as a child.

[Nick Fuentes]

I'm sorry that.

[Palestinian American]

No, you're not.

[Nick Fuentes]

You're right, I'm not. I don't particularly care about your emotional anecdotes. Okay. You might be telling the truth. You might be.

[Palestinian American]

I don't care. Do you believe you have no feelings whatsoever? You are a cold blooded human being. With all due respect.

[Nick Fuentes]

Fine. I. I don't care what you think about.

[Palestinian American]

So don't say that.

[Military Veteran]

Oh, I care for you.

[Moderator]

Don't.

[Military Veteran]

Don't lie.

[Nick Fuentes]

I never once said that.

[Palestinian American]

You just said. You just said you. I'm sorry. You're not.

[Christian Commentator]

So.

[Nick Fuentes]

I was trying to get you to stop ringing up. Just. Do you believe my experiences through the checkpoints in Judea, Samaria, west bank, when I told you what I went through? When I went through the checkpoints and I saw Palestinian.

[Palestinian American]

You saw. But I don't know know if it's. I don't know if that wasn't. That was intentionally designed when you're there because people know you're there. People you have to understand.

[Nick Fuentes]

So they were just doing it just in case. It's not like I called him and said, I'm Going to this checkpoint at this time.

[Palestinian American]

Oh, believe me, they know where you're going.

[Nick Fuentes]

Oh, believe me, everyone else, everyone else also who went through checkpoints and saw the same thing, who don't know who they are because they're not influencers.

[Palestinian American]

Highest level of intelligence is by the Israeli government.

[Nick Fuentes]

So what about the, what about. I got it. What about the same People are not influencing Israel is not going to be like, oh, hey, I know that guy. And they also have the same experiences.

[Palestinian American]

You have to understand there is a, there is an, there is an effort to gain the hearts and the, and the minds of the Westerners when Westerns are there a total different treatment. Palestinians have 100%.

[Nick Fuentes]

Gotcha. Listen, what I'm trying to say is I either do or do not believe your anecdotes. Maybe they're true, maybe they're not. Maybe they're a mix between the two. I'm saying I don't care in the purposes of this debate because it doesn't get us anywhere. Just as much as it wouldn't get me anywhere to only bring up anecdotes. If you have an anecdote that gets you to something that we can talk about, fair enough. But what I'm saying, right, to get back to the prompt, right. There should be no Palestinian state. What I'm saying, right, is that I agree with you that there wasn't as much prior to the first Intifado 87 and 93. There wasn't as much before that, but there also wasn't as much security and check.

[Palestinian American]

But there wasn't much humiliation and brutal occupation. There was. I've seen elder driver cab drivers when they stop at the checkpoints before 1986. What? Why? You're wrong.

[Nick Fuentes]

You're doing another anecdote. I got it.

[Palestinian American]

I'm giving you true stories.

[Nick Fuentes]

Okay?

[Palestinian American]

I'm giving you true stories.

[Nick Fuentes]

Go ahead, let's hear it.

[Palestinian American]

I'm telling you what things used to happen and why the intifada took place.

[Nick Fuentes]

Listen, I would do the same thing to pro Israelis. There's a lot of pro Israelis who come up when they try to debate and they go off on their like anecdotes. It's not that I don't believe that you haven't suffered or people around you haven't suffered. It's not that I don't believe Israelis have suffered, have it. They will also have all the anecdotes that you have.

[Palestinian American]

We're not to say the end of this suffering is not going to happen until Palestinians have their own self determination. State they can have their freedom and dignity. This whatever it is.

[Nick Fuentes]

Okay, so how do we do that?

[Palestinian American]

Well yes.

[Nick Fuentes]

Let's get to the crux of this. So you believe it should be in the West Bank. I believe and he's Jerusalem as a capitalize him.

[Palestinian American]

You have several options or several solutions for asset situation. I don't mind the one state solution. I don't mind.

[Nick Fuentes]

You just said right now this will not stop until they have their own self determination state. I'm quoting you.

[Palestinian American]

It could be in conjunction with the Jews. It doesn't have to be just only Palestinians. I'm not saying as long as there's nobody telling me you cannot go to work every day. As long there's no one's telling me you cannot have an army. You cannot have police force. As long someone's telling me you're not allowed to speak up freely about what

[Nick Fuentes]

you think it's not doing terrorist attacks.

[Palestinian American]

Well who's. I'm not doing terrorists.

[Nick Fuentes]

I'm not saying you specifically.

[Palestinian American]

Punishment is collective is going on Everybody punish.

[Nick Fuentes]

No suffering is collective. And that's 100 true. And that should be. You can but that is not the thing all the time. So. Okay. Let me ask you something. Historically.

[Palestinian American]

Historically speaking, terrorism was never came out vacuum.

[Nick Fuentes]

I got you always after.

[Palestinian American]

After occupation and brutal traffic treatment.

[Nick Fuentes]

Yeah, everyone. Why do we give? No, it's just so funny that a lot of people went through this kind of stuff and they didn't. You said terrorism doesn't happen in a vacuum. A lot of people throughout history in Europe and in Asia also went through brutal treatments and they didn't become terrorists. I'm sick of this idea where we give.

[Palestinian American]

We give the Northern Ireland army whatever it is that yeah, they did commit certain atrocities and terrorism. You look at the according.

[Nick Fuentes]

Yes. I didn't say that it never happened.

[Palestinian American]

Americans Americans, according to the British royalty committed acts of terrorism.

[Nick Fuentes]

I didn't say it never happened. Once again you're taking my words and twisting it up. I didn't say it never ever happened. You never can give an example. I'm saying relatively. And we don't see that we bombed the shit out of Dresden. We didn't see them create a fourth Reich. We sent two fucking sons into Hiroshima and Nagasaki and we didn't see see them go back to Imperial Japan with a God. Hold on. With a God living on earth as they thought. Okay, I am done with this idea. Listen, I don't think we should be in the Middle east as much. Right, but that's a separate argument. A separate topic, but I am done with this idea of this victim card where we're only terrorists because you did this.

[Military Veteran]

No, no, no.

[Nick Fuentes]

You said it doesn't happen in a vacuum.

[Palestinian American]

It doesn't. Absolutely doesn't have. In a vacuum. You go to a.

[Nick Fuentes]

Yes. African American, neighborhood Islamic and called the

[Palestinian American]

N word, what do you expect to happen to you?

[Nick Fuentes]

Is that what you're comparing this to?

[Palestinian American]

Yes, that's what I'm comparing to you. What's wrong with that comparison? I'm telling. People have.

[Nick Fuentes]

Depends on who you say it to.

[Palestinian American]

People have different feelings. Don't expect Palestinians. Don't expect Arabs. Don't expect Middle Eastern to be bombed with a nuclear bomb and then just sit down and do nothing about Jesus. Listen, because you compare the Japanese incidents, right?

[Nick Fuentes]

Then you try to do that to the. Anyways, Palestine, Palestinians. Yes, you're correct. They're gonna have. They're gonna have. They're not gonna add to this. I never once said they're not gonna have feelings. I don't care about that. Okay? And yes, and there's ways to fight back.

[Palestinian American]

Are you. Are you.

[Military Veteran]

Are you.

[Palestinian American]

Are you listening to yourself? What?

[Nick Fuentes]

I don't care about their feelings.

[Palestinian American]

You don't care, period.

[Nick Fuentes]

Yeah, you said that in terms of a debate. No, not at all. Not even a little bit.

[Palestinian American]

Well, this is. This is not a. This is not a game for you. For you, maybe it's a game.

[Nick Fuentes]

Maybe I don't get more viewers, but

[Palestinian American]

for me, it's so personal. It's a living experience.

[Nick Fuentes]

I believe that. And that is irrelevant to what I said. I'm saying for the purpose of our conversation, I am. I do not care about this idea of like, well, here's my emotions and feelings. I'm not saying that you can't have them. I'm not saying you don't have them. I'm saying it's irrelevant to me.

[Palestinian American]

Solving the whole problem. You have to solve people's feelings. You have to talk about that. Yeah. You cannot simply be a robotic. These are not robots sitting down, down and tell him, you know what, move on. Nothing happened. If someone's father was killed, if someone's sister was. If someone's baby was murdered, they're not gonna just sit down and say, okay, sorry, let's move on.

[Nick Fuentes]

So we're gonna do it back.

[Palestinian American]

There have to be a guarantee that's not gonna happen.

[Nick Fuentes]

The logic is, this happened to me, so I'm gonna do it back.

[Palestinian American]

I didn't say that. I said there have to be guarantees. It's not gonna happen again. They will fight back.

[Nick Fuentes]

Fathers having been killed.

[Palestinian American]

And also you were in the, you were in the military for a reason. Something happened to us. We went back and fought. We didn't just sit down. Right. That's how we do it as Americans.

[Nick Fuentes]

So when did the, you know, Harbor 911?

[Palestinian American]

We did not just sit down and sit back. We went back and really burned the hell out of these countries.

[Nick Fuentes]

True.

[Palestinian American]

Yeah. So we, we Americans do that. Why you not giving the right to other people to defend themselves?

[Nick Fuentes]

First off, I never said that they can. I said they have to finish.

[Palestinian American]

Like, are you going to.

[Nick Fuentes]

I said they have to finish. They have to follow additional protocol one. And also we have a disagreement on obviously on what exactly is happening. And I'm not here to say that you shouldn't feel a certain way. Feel whatever way you want. I'm saying that it's irrelevant to the points I'm making.

[Palestinian American]

The points you're making are not just political. The situation that you're talking about is not about borders only. It's about people's lives. It's about people's future. You have young men.

[Nick Fuentes]

We are actually talking about that.

[Palestinian American]

You have young men who are in their late teens, who are in early 20s. 20s, and they have no hope in life. They have no potential.

[Nick Fuentes]

Yeah, I believe their parents should be doing a much better job.

[Palestinian American]

Parents. I'm talking about the Israeli occupation. Stop blaming.

[Nick Fuentes]

Listen, if you want to fight this occupation and you want to consistently do this occupation.

[Palestinian American]

If you sound so silly when you say occupation, what do you mean? It's an occupation by the United nations definition. Oh, I don't believe in it. Right. Are you going to say that?

[Nick Fuentes]

No, I'm wondering because Jordan controlled it before they occupied occupying Jordan. No, wait. Jordan relinquished it in 1988, the same year that Palestine declared its independence. November 15, 1988, 40 years after Israel. So please tell me who they're doing Great. So can you tell me, can you answer it though? Can you answer it though? So you don't have an answer to

[Palestinian American]

it to the other guys.

[Nick Fuentes]

So you're telling me you're not going

[Palestinian American]

to answer that it's not going to happen with me.

[Nick Fuentes]

Right. You want to, you want to argue

[Palestinian American]

emotions and feelings, things right and left, right and left and all things that

[Nick Fuentes]

you can fact check, by the way. They're all are important. It's called context. It's called context.

[Palestinian American]

That's what I'm trying.

[Nick Fuentes]

So can you answer it?

[Palestinian American]

The con. Which, which question is that?

[Nick Fuentes]

Sure. Who were they occupying Jordan controlled it during the Six Day War. Well, right. I'm asking you, are they occupying Jordan?

[Palestinian American]

Israelis occupying west bank and Gaza.

[Nick Fuentes]

Who did Jordan annex it from illegally, by the way? In 1949? Administratively? 1950, they did. Let me give you. They literally annexed it in 1949. 1950.

[Palestinian American]

Can you listen as much as you talk?

[Nick Fuentes]

You're wrong. Anyone, can you listen as much as you talk? Jordan annexed it.

[Palestinian American]

No, no, that's not what you want to see what happened from our perspective.

[Nick Fuentes]

I don't care what your perspective. They literally annexed it.

[Palestinian American]

I don't care about your perspective. It's not really annexed. They protected it from a future occupation. Israel was established as an occupying state. They took out as much as they could from Palestinian land. Egypt said we'll protect Gaza and Jordan said we'll protect the West.

[Nick Fuentes]

What does the British in Pakistan recognize of Jordan? Jordan? They recognize their annexation. If it wasn't an annexation, why did the British.

[Palestinian American]

The British are the source of all the whole problem.

[Nick Fuentes]

I am not defending the British. This is irrelevant. This is irrelevant. To find Pakistan. Fine. Why did Pakistan for Egypt at that

[Palestinian American]

time, it was Britain at that time. Because Britain.

[Nick Fuentes]

So you're saying. And the United Nations, United India, United nations called an illegal annexation. But nonetheless, in annexation, they were also wrong. So everyone was wrong.

[Palestinian American]

But no, the United nations, the same United nations you quoted, right now they call it occupation.

[Pro-Palestinian Activist]

Yeah, I agree.

[Nick Fuentes]

There's an advisory opinion among some of the committees that call it an occupation. That's true.

[Palestinian American]

The whole word.

[Nick Fuentes]

Why have they not. Why have they not issued a Chapter 7 resolution on the occupation? Why have they not.

[Palestinian American]

Okay, great.

[Nick Fuentes]

I say this is. You're deflecting. What? Why has the United nations not issued a Chapter 7 of a resolution on the occupation? Why?

[Palestinian American]

I don't know.

[Nick Fuentes]

You tell mean because it's advisory opinions. They don't actually. They know if they actually issue something that actually has teeth and merit, it wouldn't go anywhere. This is all show like the whole world.

[Palestinian American]

The whole world recognizes an occupation.

[Nick Fuentes]

I. I don't base my opinion off of what the whole world thinks.

[Palestinian American]

What people living on. On land. They know it's an occupation. They feel.

[Nick Fuentes]

So are they occupying Jordan? You still haven't answered for.

[Palestinian American]

Unless until the division unlit the separation. Yes, it was considered. We studied in books that Israel occupying portion of Jordan, Jordan and portion of Egypt.

[Nick Fuentes]

Okay, so when they. When they took it in 1967, they were occupying Jordan and then Jordan, you agree they relinquished Jordan in 1988, not

[Palestinian American]

relinquish Palestinians and Jordan.

[Nick Fuentes]

They did in 1988. They relinquished it. And then in Algiers, Jordania and Palestinians

[Palestinian American]

decided to create a separation. They said the west bank should be only for Palestinians and that's better for the future of building of the state of Palestine. That's what it is about. It's not about someone abandoning somebody. That's how we look at it in the Middle East. That's how we look at it as Palestinians. That's how we look at it as Jordanians.

[Nick Fuentes]

They literally officially wrote it in. They relinquished control.

[Palestinian American]

Correct.

[Nick Fuentes]

That's what I asked you and you said no.

[Palestinian American]

You made it sound like.

[Nick Fuentes]

I didn't make it sound like anything. I said, did they relinquish control in 1988? That's exactly what I said.

[Palestinian American]

Cause the separation.

[Nick Fuentes]

They said, did they relinquish officially. Did they officially relinquish control in 1988? Okay, yes. Okay. That's after the occupation of at least what, the West bank in 1967. Correct.

[Palestinian American]

You.

[Military Veteran]

You.

[Palestinian American]

You are completely not aware of what's happening on the ground there?

[Nick Fuentes]

Not getting an answer. I of you. Okay, so 1967 was when they occupied the west bank, according to you, right?

[Palestinian American]

Who?

[Nick Fuentes]

Israel?

[Palestinian American]

Yes.

[Nick Fuentes]

Okay. 1988 comes after 1967. So when did we determine they were occupying the state of Palestine or whatever an entity of Palestine occupying the Palestinians? Are they occupying the Samaritans?

[Palestinian American]

They're occupying everyone in.

[Nick Fuentes]

Should the Samaritans get a state?

[Palestinian American]

Well, if they. If they're small portion of the. For population, sure.

[Nick Fuentes]

Should get a state.

[Palestinian American]

They're going to have a small. How many states you can have?

[Nick Fuentes]

Why not? They want us all determined. Aren't they being occupied right now?

[Military Veteran]

They don't want.

[Palestinian American]

They want to be part of the.

[Nick Fuentes]

Who controls area B.

[Palestinian American]

It's a mixed rule between the Israelis

[Nick Fuentes]

and the social side.

[Palestinian American]

I don't know.

[Nick Fuentes]

The Palestinians, according to Oslo too. And so the Palestinians would then be occupying them. And then there's also part in Israel proper, outside of Tel Aviv. That's where the rest of the half of the Samaritans go. What about the Druze? What about the Bedouins?

[Military Veteran]

Choose.

[Christian Commentator]

Okay.

[Palestinian American]

They give the choice.

[Christian Commentator]

Okay.

[Palestinian American]

If they want.

[Christian Commentator]

If.

[Middle Eastern Commentator]

If.

[Nick Fuentes]

So should we make Kurdistan?

[Palestinian American]

If we.

[Nick Fuentes]

Should we make Kurdistan?

[Palestinian American]

If we create. We're talking about Palestine here.

[Nick Fuentes]

I understand, but you said because they choose they should make a state. Kurds choose to have a stage. Should we make Kurdistan from Turkey to.

[Palestinian American]

If, if, if. If they are being brutally treated and occupied.

[Nick Fuentes]

Yes, a lot of them are brutally treated and Occupied. Yes.

[Palestinian American]

So yes, let every people, every nation on the festival.

[Nick Fuentes]

As long as they choose not choose.

[Palestinian American]

They have the right to have self determination. They have the right. Look what happened in the western world when Scotland had a vote on whether to become part outside of the United Kingdom.

[Middle Eastern Commentator]

Right.

[Palestinian American]

They voted on it and they turned it down. They said, no, we want to stay part of the United Kingdom, we will do the same.

[Liberal Analyst]

Oh wow.

[Nick Fuentes]

They did something that wasn't barbaric. That sounds like it worked out for them. I agree, I agree with that 100%.

[Palestinian American]

You are making a very unfair comparison between people who lived a good life, democracy, freedom for decades and comparing them to a group of people who are being killed and mistreated every single day. Don't expect them to have the ability and the mindset to act in the same manner.

[Nick Fuentes]

Yes. Because they are also doing actions that have consequences.

[Palestinian American]

What did you celebrate last week here in America?

[Nick Fuentes]

Fourth of July.

[Palestinian American]

250 years. Of what?

[Nick Fuentes]

Of our nation.

[Palestinian American]

What happened 20, 50 years ago.

[Nick Fuentes]

They signed the declaration. What are you asking me?

[Palestinian American]

We, we got our independence, right? How did we get it? Did we fight or we just sat down and voted?

[Nick Fuentes]

Yeah, they fought.

[Palestinian American]

Exactly.

[Nick Fuentes]

Okay.

[Palestinian American]

Wouldn't you. Okay, that's how you're, you're accused.

[Nick Fuentes]

I didn't understand the problem.

[Palestinian American]

You're accusing Palestine of being uncivilized because they're fighting for their freedom.

[Nick Fuentes]

No, I call them uncivilized because they blow body parts all over in pizza shops and spiral pizza shops and they women and they have taken nine month old babies and have control them. The youngest death in October 7th was a 10 hour old baby. 10 hour old. That's why I called them barbarian. If they went straight to IDF basis.

[Palestinian American]

Can I call you a barbaric because you're part of the U.S. army?

[Nick Fuentes]

You can I call the U.S. do whatever you want. I don't give a shit. We got to wrap this up. What I, what I will say, What I will say is, and I think this is where the, the, the problems coming. I never once made the claim that they don't have a right to make their decisions. What I said is, is that there's consequences to decision sometimes positive or negative. That's what I said. If you're saying, well, they're, they're deciding to fight back, fine, fight back. But if you lose that fight, you don't get to cry and then say can we pretend I didn't do it and go back to what it was before, which is what they did in 1948.

[Palestinian American]

You are such condescending bully. And your viewers. Enjoy this and enjoy it as much as you can, but you are beating a dead horse.

[Nick Fuentes]

I agree.

[Palestinian American]

The whole world is moving away from the support of this terrorist state called Israel. As JD Vance said last week, America is the only friend that Israel is having right now. And guess what? Even America is changing among conservatives and liberals. Exchanging and realizing what you do still insist on not realizing and admitting.

[Nick Fuentes]

Does this have to do with what I said? All right, fine. You got it. Good job. I got it. They. They don't like them. I got it. I don't know what that has to do with what I said. I. I don't base my opinion off of the popularity of people.

[Palestinian American]

It's.

[Nick Fuentes]

It's final statement.

[Christian Commentator]

Nick.

[Nick Fuentes]

Yeah, I don't base my opinion off the popularity of people.

[Liberal Analyst]

The.

[Nick Fuentes]

At one time the Nazis are actually more popular people in America. More of them think it's okay to murder babies. I. I don't care. The opinion. There was actually a Gallup poll that was just done relatively recently that showed right wingers across the board. Actually it showed that they had the same support for Israel that they did in 2014. The left wing in the center, mostly left, went down so far that it brought the average down. I don't care.

[Palestinian American]

You were not happy with the way the voting took place when someone talked about it earlier. And here you go. Coming out question. Was it?

[Nick Fuentes]

Yeah, yeah, I'll explain why. Because that one had its methodology. The one I mentioned earlier. He didn't re reach his methodology. You just weren't listening. So factual. Yeah.

[Palestinian American]

Towards the.

[Nick Fuentes]

I am biased. That is true. Everyone's biased. That doesn't matter. Thanks for watching all the way to the end. Guys. Please hit like and subscribe. It helps us grow the show and helps us get bigger guests. Thank you so much. So I disagree. I don't think that the Palestinians were ever really given a shot to have their own state.

[Moderator]

And.

[Nick Fuentes]

And I would date that back to probably 1917ish. Are you familiar with the. The Balfour Declaration?

[Palestinian American]

No. With the.

[Nick Fuentes]

What was it called? That's what it was. Nabi Musa riots. Oh yeah. Where they pilgrimized to Jericho. And Palestinians, both Muslims and Christians were. I think it was. They were singing their national anthem and Jews were throwing stones at them and it caused a huge riot. Right. Tens of thousands of people were rioting. Yeah. They shouldn't have thrown stones at. At them. Not really sure what you're saying. So what that led to was this huge situation where the British Empire had To send out commissions.

[Pro-Palestinian Activist]

Right.

[Nick Fuentes]

Commissioners to determine what happened. What's the problem between the Palestinian Arabs and the Jews that were living there.

[Middle Eastern Commentator]

Right. So

[Nick Fuentes]

there was a similar commission guy, a guy named William Young in 1839, 1844 actually was in Jerusalem. Pretty similar. He was also with the British, but it was during the Ottoman time. It was very. This is the, the Paling commission.

[Moderator]

Yeah. Are you familiar with it?

[Nick Fuentes]

I've heard of it. You have to remind me exactly what it said. I was just saying that they, they do these regularly. So it was a huge commission report. Right. And basically it followed this, this line of, of who's the aggressor first? Right. Who, who is really the ones pushing the buttons. And it was actually Zionist Jews in 1917. Specifically 1917 through 1918. So like in 1940. So when they kicked out Jews that were old enough to bear arms. That was in 1847 I believe. What was the reason for that? If Zionists were the ones that were pushing the button, I guess. Or how about 1517 Hebrew massacre? Or how about 1517 spot massacre where they targeted and killed Jews. What was the purpose of that? Well, I'm talking about from when British mandated Palestine exist. So after, after the Ottoman 1917 was the battle Ottoman rule 1922. So actually the, the British used Arab Muslims to fight the Ottomans to fight Turkey.

[Pro-Palestinian Activist]

Right.

[Nick Fuentes]

And they were under the impression that they would actually have some self determination after they. Did they not give them Jordan?

[Christian Commentator]

I'm.

[Nick Fuentes]

Well, yeah, it was 78 of all the Palestine. It's more than just Jordan though. They were. Oh, they were promised 100 of the land. No, they were never promised. 178 wasn't good. No, no, but, no, no, no but okay. They were promised a proportion. They actually were never promised anything. Okay. Right, I'm listening.

[Moderator]

Okay.

[Nick Fuentes]

So in this report it said that they were under the impression from the Balfour Declaration that they would actually have self determination through this.

[Palestinian American]

Right.

[Nick Fuentes]

What did the Balfour Declaration say? It's two and a half paragraphs. Well, I can't quote it verbatim like you can, but I quote the whole two and a half paragraphs verbatim. But I don't see how anyone would read the Balfour decoration and hear they were they by the way, I, I think the British and the French absolutely screwed up and they absolutely should have given the Arabs self determination as I'm saying they did. Jordan was created by the British who agreed. Yeah. The emirate of Transorn 1921 and 46 was when they declared independence. They kicked out like 10,000 plus Jews out of that land and said no Jews allowed. That was 78% of Palestine. They gave that to them. That's. Is that just not enough? What is your argument back my argument on this. Okay. Because it was actually kind of under false pretenses with the Belfort Declaration. It was understood by Arab Muslims and Christians that were in Palestine Palestinians, that what would happen was, is once the national state for the Jews was established, that they would all live together, that it would be governed by Arab Muslims.

[Palestinian American]

Right.

[Nick Fuentes]

The ones who fought for the freedom from the Ottomans. Are we still in 1917? I'm just going to say yes. 1917, around that. Okay. Before the Peel Commission. Right, Exactly. So during all of that. The reason I I ask, just so you can gather your thoughts real quick, is because there was the King Crane Commission, I don't know if you ever heard of. It was 1919. I want to say it was also a. It was a huge polling apparatus and they asked the Arabs to include those that are in what is today Syria, Lebanon and Palestine, whatever you want to call it. They actually asked them an 80.4% said that they didn't want a unified Palestine. They wanted a unified Syria, actually that would incorporate that whole land. Only 6 said that they wanted a unified Palestinian state. And by six, I don't mean 6%, I mean six people. Right. So I'm trying to figure out where you're getting here because it's around the same time. So from, from the, the Palin Commission report.

[Christian Commentator]

Right.

[Moderator]

Okay.

[Christian Commentator]

And.

[Nick Fuentes]

Sorry, I'm really trying to gather my thoughts.

[Liberal Analyst]

It's okay.

[Nick Fuentes]

I mean, just tell me generally what you said. I'm not a debater, guys. I've never done one of. Just tell me like generally what you think it said. You don't have to get it perfectly right. So from what I gathered from it, I read it. From what I gathered from it, the Arab Muslims and Christians really didn't understand what the Balfour Declaration was.

[Moderator]

Okay.

[Nick Fuentes]

And the British fed them this idea that it would bring them to self determination.

[Liberal Analyst]

Right.

[Nick Fuentes]

That everybody would be united because Jews lived in, in the area, in the region, even before the Belfort Declaration, even before World War II. The courts live there the entire time to be fair to the British, which something I almost never do. So good. Kudos to you for making me do that. They did push for that. For that. When you say they deter. Gave themselves or wanted to give themselves determination. I'm not sure exactly which land you're talking about, but if we're assuming the Jordan River, Mediterranean Sea. Well, the people who live their right occupied the Peel Commission. Right. Which would have made Jerusalem an international body with I think it was 110,000 Arabs and 105,000 Jews pretty much 50, 50. And then there was going to be the Arab state and the Jewish state and that was after they already had separated all of what at the time would be Trans Jordan. They already separated all that for the Arabs. So a total of 78% just by Jordan alone was given to the Arabs and then on top of that the amount that was given to them during the Peel Commission. So when you say they thought they were going to give this to be fair to the British, they did push for that and it was just didn't go through. Okay, but would you agree that the Balfour Declaration kind of surpassed the the population that was already there did not give them the opportunity to form their own government. They did. They had their own local representation. That local representation is not the same as as being able to self determine and self govern. They were part of the entire Arab League. See, I actually agree with your original claim and I'll tell you why. Why the reason I agree that they. I don't believe they would call themselves Palestinian really at the time, but no, they would call themselves. Right, but sure, the, the, the Arabs of the land we say for modern. Right, you are correct that they didn't have at least much of a say but it's not because of the British and the Zionists, it's because of the Arabs. The Arabs. And if you look at. That's not true. Okay, According to the new report, that's not true at all. Okay, I know what the British said because they were covering their ass. But if you listen to the actual Arabs, the Arabs were saying that the local, what they called the Fein Right didn't really get much of a say. In fact a lot of the Arabs when you look at the official meetings between the British and the Arabs they had representatives from Lebanon, Jordan, etc, the Filim. Right.

[Christian Commentator]

The.

[Nick Fuentes]

The local Arab population, they didn't really have much of a say and I actually think that's the strong. You just said I was wrong five minutes ago.

[Pro-Palestinian Activist]

What do you mean?

[Nick Fuentes]

That's what I said. And you said no, that's not true at all. And you're now you agree. Well maybe I was disagreeing with something else. Okay, well I'm glad you agree now but that's actually. I believe what I think would be the strongest position for the pro Palestinians but I don't think they're willing to take it because it means they'd have to put blame on the Arab world. Okay, so would you agree that Israel as it stands today, was founded on terrorism? Was founded on terrorism? Yes. I think the official forces was the Haganah. I wouldn't call them. I mean, there were three different terrorist groups. Yeah, they were, they were. Weren't official forces. No, they weren't official. But they became official forces after. No, they didn't. Yes, they were disbanded. What are you talking about? They were disbanded and they formed the IDF. They didn't form the IDF. The ID. Some of them formed. No, the IDF was formed of the Haganah and the Pak 100%. Not the way he other one. No, some of the ones in there, including Menachem Begin, did go into the idf. And guess what? They said, you will re. You will relinquish all of these hotel boxes.

[Middle Eastern Commentator]

Bombing.

[Nick Fuentes]

They bombed the idf. That was before, right? That was the extremist groups that. I don't remember ever. Okay, so they, they bombed. Yes, I know. It's called a hotel. It wasn't used as a hotel. Well, right. It was. Headquarters. Headquarters is there. I'm sorry, is bombing a base, Is that, is that terrorism? I'm. I mean, but they were. I'm asking you, is bombing a base terrorism? Well, it's just a yes or no. You think it's terrorism or not? Do you think bomb. Well, I think it's a little bit more nuanced than that is, isn't it? They warned them. They told them we were going to bomb the area, then they bombed it. Is that terrorism? No, not particularly. Great. I don't, by the way. Not even here to defend iron or Lehi in every aspect, but. Right, that wasn't a good example. The Haganahn, Lehi and Irun even sometimes fought against each other. The Haganah would blow up shipments from iron. In fact, they would even spread propaganda against the iron. Because Ben Gurion and Haganah as a whole didn't want the Aragun's ideology. That's why when the IDF was formed, they must and they had to swear to relinquish that and follow the laws of the land, including the idf. Okay, so with the Balfour Declaration, do you think that that did anything for the Palestinian people to help them at all to self determination, to have their own state, to. To do anything for them? It's like, so they, they fought the Ottomans for the British, right? They secured that defeat. And then the British, instead of giving these people their own state. Can you Explain to me what Jordan is, what Lebanon is, what Syria is. Do you know these were all formed around this time? Right, Right. So what do you mean they didn't get in their own state, you're saying, because they didn't get them to stay in this specific spot, Is that what you're saying?

[Palestinian American]

Right.

[Nick Fuentes]

In Jerusalem? When did they promise in the main headquarters? When did they promise? Really? It was promised. There's been five caliphates throughout the Muslim world. Can you tell me which one ever made Jerusalem a capital?

[Pro-Palestinian Activist]

Five?

[Nick Fuentes]

No, I don't know everything about zero. None of them caliphates. And yeah, none of them. They say it's important on today day. It's funny, they didn't care about it back then. So, no, it wasn't their capital, but can you just tell me, and if you can, I, I'll tell you. Yeah, that's messed up by the British, but I don't think you can. Can you tell me when the British said not just, hey, we're going to give you a state, but this specific land right here, this one on the map? No, I can't say that because it was never. It was never explicitly stated. Okay, so you're mad that they gave them all of this, just not that. Well, even though they tried to during the Peel Commission and the Arabs denied that.

[Palestinian American]

No.

[Nick Fuentes]

What about 1948?

[Pro-Palestinian Activist]

Jerusalem?

[Nick Fuentes]

Jerusalem has specific religious ties to it, right? For all three Abrahamic religions. Okay, so Al Aqsa is very, very important to Islam, is it not? Okay, so if Muslim Arabs have been controlling that area for hundreds of years, right, and then they fight for their independence from the Ottomans, backed by the British, and then the British totally jump over them and give that territory, the British, to the Zionists. The British never gave the territory. Well, they really pushed it to the. To the Right.

[Middle Eastern Commentator]

Yeah.

[Nick Fuentes]

So I make sure, in fact, the UN vote, the partition plan, 181, the British actually abstained from that vote, which is effectively a no vote.

[Moderator]

So.

[Nick Fuentes]

Right. No, the British never did that. And again, I'm hardly defending the British. I think they absolutely did make promises they couldn't keep and then bounced out. So, so, but real quick, you said hundreds of years, you agree that that land is pretty ancient, right, in terms of civilization, living on it? Yes, of course. Why'd you say hundreds of years? Wasn't it around 1500 that they conquered it? Or. Oh, you talking about Umar? Yeah, that was back in 637, I believe. Okay, yeah, yeah. But I don't think you're getting my point. That's Post colonial. Okay, okay. You, you brought up the aloks of mosque. What's it on top? The of. Top of the Dome of the Rock. No, the Dome of the Rocks next to Al Aqsamas. Okay, what's that on top of? It's on the Temple Mount.

[Palestinian American]

Right?

[Pro-Palestinian Activist]

Temple Mount.

[Liberal Analyst]

Exactly.

[Nick Fuentes]

What is the Temple Mount? The Jewish temple. Okay, but that's conquered land, right? Oh no, no, no. I, I'm not saying that they conquered. They absolutely conquered it. 100. There's three ways to get a land, right. You can be indigenous. Although that's a. In today's day and age, I think every indigenous land has been a, you know, pushed out. But indigeneity diplomacy, like what was brought up earlier with voting about staying with the state or creating one or conquering slash defense or whatever.

[Middle Eastern Commentator]

War.

[Nick Fuentes]

I'll just say war. Right? I'm with you. I'm not saying that. How dare the Arabs conquer. Yeah, they all did it. Persians did it. Greeks did it. Alexander the Great was in that land. I'm totally not saying that that was a problem. I'm just saying that it's a little hypocritical that it's like, well, the Arabs did that and then when the indigenous population comes back and then they defend it through a war, all of a sudden it's problematic.

[Christian Commentator]

Why?

[Nick Fuentes]

Because it's more modern times, how we decide. Because Jordan was created two years before that. So can you articulate your point? Why you don't think that the Palestinians should be able to have self determination, have their own state?

[Liberal Analyst]

Yeah.

[Nick Fuentes]

They have shown nothing that would show any good faith. I don't think that they're ready for a state. I don't think they particularly want one. I think this is absolutely a ploy to fight the Jews in the land. I think this is. So you think that it's a racial thing? Do you think that they just hate Jews? Racial or ethnic? Ethnic. I would say religious.

[Liberal Analyst]

Religious.

[Military Veteran]

Religious.

[Nick Fuentes]

Right. I get that. There are Palestinian Christians. They make up a very small minority. Have Jews not lived in the area the entire time from the Roman occupation? Yeah. Just like we see with the Ottoman occupation. They've lived there the, the whole time.

[Liberal Analyst]

Yep.

[Nick Fuentes]

Just like we've seen with other. Whether we're talking about caliphates or other areas that used to be Christian are now Muslim. We see how they act when they are relatively smaller percentage and as they grow they start to get more aggressive until really conquer that land and then they start to treat. I have to make the same argument for the Jews. Okay.

[Pro-Palestinian Activist]

For the Jews.

[Nick Fuentes]

And I was in palace perfect making. And at that point we're just stuck between who won. Well, well.

[Middle Eastern Commentator]

Right.

[Nick Fuentes]

But it's the same thing.

[Pro-Palestinian Activist]

So you can.

[Palestinian American]

Yeah.

[Nick Fuentes]

You can't call one terrorist groups and then call the other one. Yeah, rightfully Muslims terrorists. Well, I mean, the insinuation is there. I. You're insinuating that I never said that. Not that there aren't Muslim terrorists, just like there's Jewish terrorists and Christian terrorists and atheist terrorist. But I never made that claim. There's multiple ways to conquer of an area. Terrorism. But you deny that Israel was founded on terrorism. Which it was, as I proved to you. Because you said the LEHI was formed the idf, which was. But they committed terroristic. Yes, individuals who are not part of the official forces did commit terrorism. That is true. So none of those individuals. So none of those individuals ever formed the idf. They never. Like, they never joined the IV idf. There's a big difference. Menachem Begin, who, by the way, he's the one that gave the Sinai back to the Egyptians. There was a. He was given a Nobel Peace Prize. He was part of the airgun. He was. He was a leader. I didn't say that they didn't form and go that. You're right. They didn't all go to jail. I, I don't think I ever made that claim. But the argument, if you want to make one, is that they. Hold on. Say that they never joined the. I never said that. I said the integrated. I, I didn't say that. You can rewind. I, I said that people joined. What you said is they're the ones that formed it. That was incorrect. They joined. Formed of those people. Do you remember when I said that they had to relinquish all of their prior groups and, and thoughts and they had to follow the laws of the land? Do you remember me saying that after the. Right. Yeah, I said that because they joined. So I did say that.

[Christian Commentator]

Right.

[Nick Fuentes]

So what I'm saying to you is if they were to have gone from the Airon to the IDF and let's say after a couple years they continue to do Airon tactics and the IDF did nothing about. About it, you'd have a perfect point.

[Palestinian American]

Okay.

[Nick Fuentes]

Then I would be like, that was wrong. But that. That's not what happened.

[Middle Eastern Commentator]

Okay.

[Nick Fuentes]

What right do the Jewish Israelis have to the land? Exactly what rights do you have to the land? Like I just said, why was the belt for declaration signed? Why do they have a right to the land? Yeah, so I already answered this. Question. Remember I said there's three ways to gain a land. You can go with indigeneity, you can go with diplomacy, or you can go through war slash conquering. I think they have all three, actually. Okay. But I. I would say only one of them. Like, if you conquer line, like, are Europeans indigenous to America?

[Moderator]

No.

[Nick Fuentes]

Do I think America shouldn't be a country? No. Do you think America should be a country? Absolutely. They're not indigenous, though, so. Well, it was conquered land, right? Amen. But how did Israel conquer the land?

[Middle Eastern Commentator]

Yeah.

[Nick Fuentes]

Again, through terrorist nature. Multiple different ways.

[Moderator]

Through, through.

[Nick Fuentes]

Through bombings, through.

[Moderator]

So.

[Nick Fuentes]

So what you're doing. So what you're doing is ironically. Ironically. What you're doing is. One sec. Can I finish? What you're doing right now is what a lot of people do. And they say all Muslims are terrorists. Because look at what this Muslim, this Muslim, this Muslim did. If it was a Haganah that did it and it was endorsed by the Hagan, These were Israeli. Were not official. It doesn't matter if they were official yet. How can they be? There was no official state yet. Haganah was the official Jewish Defense Force official. There was no official state. You're saying you can't be official if. Okay, so Haganah, just so you know, you can look this up after. Let me finish. Just ask me a question. A Palestinian organization. Yes. 100%. That's why you're wrong.

[Pro-Palestinian Activist]

Yes.

[Nick Fuentes]

Haganah was absolutely the official Jewish Defense Force 100. Recognized by the British. You're. I can't even say anything other than. You're just incorrect. But what I will say is. Yes. Were there Israelis who did acts of terrorism even though the King David bombing hotel was a bad example?

[Palestinian American]

Yes.

[Nick Fuentes]

I don't think I ever said Jews are incapable of being terrorists. Baruch Goldstein, who went into. I was just there a month ago, the Cave of the Patriarchs, and he slaughtered Muslims, praying, saying he's a terrorist or was. He's dead now, but he was a terrorist. I. I don't think I ever made that claim. I think you guys hear what I'm saying and you try to establish absolutes. I think you say so much that when you're saying it, it's hard for us to pinpoint exactly which point that we need to. I'll speak slower. Okay.

[Moderator]

Final point.

[Nick Fuentes]

I really don't have a final point.

[Middle Eastern Commentator]

I just.

[Nick Fuentes]

That's. Those are my thoughts. Do you have one? Yeah. I just want to add on. I mean, this is just a general statement that the amount of distance that, that Israel made it into, or, sorry, Hamas and collaborators made it into October 7 from Gaza border to Israel proper. That distance is longer than the distance from the west bank quarter if it was a state, to the Mediterranean Sea. If they can do that from tiny little Gaza with little support because the Egyptians don't really like them either, imagine what they can do with an entire state that has an entire border with Jordan. Okay, but why did that last so long? Why did what last so long? That attack. I think I'm thinking about something different. I'm sorry. Thanks for watching all the way to the end. Guys, please hit like and subscribe. It helps us grow the show and helps us get bigger guests. Thank you so much.

[Moderator]

All right, so I think the prompt is should be no Palestine state in the West Bank. So when I look at the word should, its highest probability of long term success. So I'm looking to solve the problem. Rather than saying why it won't work. I'm, I'm going to state why it would work.

[Palestinian American]

Okay.

[Moderator]

So I'm hoping to hear maybe a little bit of the.

[Nick Fuentes]

I like it. All right, let's hear it.

[Moderator]

I, I was very enthused with it as well. So when I say should the Israel. Israel has had the military capability to take over West Bank. Correct?

[Nick Fuentes]

Sorry? You said do they have the military capabilities? Yeah, of course. Okay, so.

[Moderator]

But they don't have the political capability to do so or they would, would

[Nick Fuentes]

have like international pressure and stuff. Yes, sir.

[Moderator]

So then the logical starting point is giving them the land so that they can have a state, because that is what is should, should be the best start to the solution.

[Nick Fuentes]

I see the angle you're going with. Can I ask you if. Dang it. No, it's fine. I, I, I, I actually, I appreciate that because it's not always about saying what's perfect. It's about saying what I think is the most, most logical. So if there was an agreement, right. Where the Palestinians get the state, we're

[Moderator]

going to get to my conclusion real quick.

[Nick Fuentes]

Yeah, if there was an. If there was an agreement. But that agreement includes that if you attack the state of Israel, and I'm not talking about someone who goes rogue who just tries to. I'm talking about like relatively officially, or you're just not doing enough to stop terrorism.

[Moderator]

Yeah.

[Nick Fuentes]

If that was the case and Israel says if you do that, we get to go in and annex the whole thing and push you out, would you accept the, that deal?

[Moderator]

I believe that is what the goal is or hope because the land Hope

[Nick Fuentes]

is that you would accept that deal.

[Moderator]

I think the hope is that that would be the allowed outcome of the situation.

[Nick Fuentes]

So if you attack us even once, we will go in with our military might and take over and annex all of it and push you out. Would you accept that deal? If you don't, don't. You can have your state forever. We can be friends. We cannot be. We can put up a wait.

[Moderator]

So I'm missing what your solution is.

[Middle Eastern Commentator]

Sure.

[Nick Fuentes]

I'm saying it's not my solution. I'm saying yours. If this, you and me, you're in Palestinian, Israeli side, we have a contract.

[Christian Commentator]

Right.

[Nick Fuentes]

You can have the second state, what you call the west bank, which now be called Palestine. It's a state. We'll recognize. It sounds good. All that, right. Everything you're asking for. And we'll even pull all the settlements out.

[Moderator]

Okay.

[Nick Fuentes]

But if you attack us once. Once indefinitely. Right. If you attack us once, we will go in with our military might and we will push all of you out and annex it. And that will be part of Israel. If you don't, you can have your state forever. I don't. Whatever. Until something else happen. I don't know, whatever. And you can be friends with us, or you can put up 100 for whatever you want. It's your state. You can have right of return. You can have all of that if you never attack us. But if you attack us, we're going in and taking all of it and you're getting out. Would you accept that deal?

[Moderator]

I would say yes, because it seems that that is the highest probability for succeeding.

[Nick Fuentes]

Okay, I accept that deal.

[Moderator]

So then what? So you're saying that would not be the highest probability of success?

[Nick Fuentes]

Nope. I like the deal. Sounds great.

[Moderator]

Because then.

[Nick Fuentes]

Because the Palestinians will attack because that's who they are. That's exactly what will happen. And so if it's a way to get out of the status quo, I'm all for it.

[Moderator]

What do you mean, get out of the status quo?

[Nick Fuentes]

Status quo right now is obviously not working. That's why we're having the debate now. I also have a position that not everything always has a solution, or at least in contemporary times, or at least a solution that people are willing to take, whether it be the arrows.

[Moderator]

I'm willing. I'm willing to hear it out. I looked at the eight state and I was trying to go back to whatever your YouTube live was.

[Nick Fuentes]

That's Dr. Cater. I don't know if I necessarily agree with him. I think it's an interesting concept.

[Moderator]

Well, you said you had two good options. I'm laying out with my option is so the best option. So should, so your option would have to be better. Yeah.

[Nick Fuentes]

No, what I'm saying is, is that if that was something you accept, I would accept that because I know it wouldn't work and it would end the status quo. So to finish, what I was saying real quick is I don't think everything requires, at least in contemporary times, a solution. I think it's an arrogance of the human beings that we think that there will be a solution and I'll be the one to figure it out. Sometimes that's not the case again, in contemporary times, I'm not saying permanently.

[Moderator]

So would that be an opportunity for a start of a solution since the solution that you had suggested.

[Middle Eastern Commentator]

What?

[Moderator]

Well, suggesting there's not one.

[Nick Fuentes]

No, I, I, I'm saying that that that is very much a possibility. And I also understand that solutions can come about from people definitely smarter or a group of people even better, kind of like what they were doing.

[Moderator]

I'm not one of those just looking

[Nick Fuentes]

for, with the Oslo Accords, even though I, I'm against them and I don't think they really did much for the Palestinians or the Israelis. At the same time, the thought that they actually came together and work together, I think, think that's, you know, that's great. And then they started an intifada after Camp David instead of continuing with diplomacy because again, that's who they are. So that's why I said I totally accept your proposition of if you attack us once, we get to push you all out and take it and you believe either way. What I do know what will happen is we will get past this Israeli Palestinian conflict, at least in terms of the West Bank.

[Moderator]

So I try not to use regime change, but the way you're suggesting it is going to be military might. And like you said in Japan and Germany, those have been the only times that have been successful. So it doesn't seem, that doesn't have to be.

[Nick Fuentes]

They can also just create their own state and not be terrorist.

[Moderator]

So, so that, that, that would be your highest probability of succeeding.

[Nick Fuentes]

What is the, let me ask you, what is the number one reason why people that are against a two state solution are against it?

[Moderator]

I think it would be very difficult, difficult to implement.

[Nick Fuentes]

Okay, but why? What's like one of the biggest concerns that people are like Israel's safety, 100, 100% safety. So the reason I offered that counter to you is because it's literally a guaranteed safety either because they never attack again. I'm not not talking about some individual. I'm talking about the actual official attack or they do and either way, then they get pushed out. I'm saying either way it will guarantee the safety. So that's the only way a two state solution could.

[Moderator]

But I feel like you gave yourself an out without coming up with.

[Nick Fuentes]

I said I agree with you.

[Moderator]

But as, as far, as far as Israel is able to for more, more or less be around other countries as well that disagree and there are safety concerns.

[Nick Fuentes]

So are they attacking them? Like Lebanon's not really attacking Israel. It's Hezbollah, I'll give you that. Which is an Iranian proxy group. Iran is occupying them. That's why Lebanon and Israel are working together right now to rid them. Syria's not. There are militia groups. Jordan's not, Egypt's not. Not. So yeah, if they did attack, then that would be. I guess, yeah, I'd have a different conversation with you, but.

[Moderator]

So there is the possibility of they're not being attacked, but you're saying high.

[Nick Fuentes]

There's a super high probability, I guess in the sense that everything's possible but Palestine fact check it. Is everything possible, not attack. Yeah, that would be great. I would love to see it. I would love to see no more war in the region, whether it's Arabs and Jews living side by side. If there needs to be a two state solution, whatever the case might be.

[Moderator]

Right.

[Nick Fuentes]

I, I'd love to see it.

[Moderator]

So my, my argument is there should be a starting point and a continuing conversation and looking for that progress. And you are in.

[Nick Fuentes]

My argument is I don't, I don't capitulate. Correct. Capitulation has never led to success ever.

[Moderator]

But it, it, it doesn't seem that your success is working.

[Nick Fuentes]

I'm sorry, what, what do you mean?

[Moderator]

As far as the, the land status quo quo. Yeah. More.

[Nick Fuentes]

Yeah, No, I don't think the status quo is particularly working. I think it's, I think the status quo right now is just kind of a stableish relative keyword. Relative. Right. Stableish position. Until something happens. Whether it's.

[Moderator]

But I'm describing that something happened. So you have to give me a better offer.

[Nick Fuentes]

Oh, I think your option is again, unless you accept that. What I just said, if you don't accept that, then your option is worse than the status quo. If you do accept that, then yeah, I would take that over the status quo quo.

[Moderator]

Okay, so there is an option.

[Nick Fuentes]

I said I agree and I shook your hand.

[Middle Eastern Commentator]

Awesome.

[Moderator]

Yep, we'll go with that. All right.

[Middle Eastern Commentator]

Cool.

[Moderator]

Thank you.

[Nick Fuentes]

If you learned anything from this episode or got any value at all, please share this episode with a friend. It helps us grow the channel, it helps us grow the podcast, and it means a lot to us. Thank you so much. All right, we're now on the final prompt. The prompt is the conflict didn't start on October 7th, but also didn't start in 1948.

[Military Veteran]

Nope.

[Nick Fuentes]

Take it away.

[Military Veteran]

All right, so you. You believe that October 7th was a completely done by Hamas, correct?

[Nick Fuentes]

Completely. No.

[Military Veteran]

Okay, who do you believe was involved in the October 7th attack?

[Nick Fuentes]

PIJ. PFOP. DFOP. Palestinian civilians.

[Military Veteran]

Okay, so you don't believe that.

[Nick Fuentes]

Not starting in 1948.

[Military Veteran]

Well, we're gonna get there. So you don't believe that Israel was part of that attack and allowed it to happen?

[Nick Fuentes]

And allowed it to happen.

[Military Veteran]

Allowed it to happen.

[Nick Fuentes]

I've heard the claims. I haven't been given enough. Enough evidence to actually conclude that, like, logically.

[Military Veteran]

Okay, well, logically, it took 20 hours for Israel to even respond to the attack. It's not accurate. It is accurate.

[Christian Commentator]

Six hours.

[Military Veteran]

It wasn't six hours. It was. Okay, even if it was six hours, let's go with your six hours. Okay, I'll humor you.

[Moderator]

It was.

[Military Veteran]

It wasn't. But anyways. So six hours in a country the size of New Jersey, 50 13th largest or most advanced military in the world. At least that's how they're ranked.

[Nick Fuentes]

Wait, do you think six hours was the first attack or when units started going.

[Military Veteran]

No, no. When IDF responded to Hamas after attacks,

[Nick Fuentes]

like within 45 minutes. There was jets, I think in the air as well.

[Military Veteran]

That's not true. Actually, there was because of yo of Galant. He issued the Hannibal Directive.

[Nick Fuentes]

That's irregard.

[Christian Commentator]

That's.

[Military Veteran]

That's when the helicopter attacks.

[Nick Fuentes]

Okay, okay, yeah. So do you agree that Hamas killed those 1200 civilians? Well, hold on. Okay, fine. Do you agree that the civilian. Those 1200 civilians were killed within the first six hours?

[Military Veteran]

No, they were killed over a course about a day and a half.

[Nick Fuentes]

Hundred of them. Not stragglers. Maybe there might be a case or two. I'm talking about, like by far the bulk. Majority.

[Military Veteran]

Well, let's. Let's get to the facts real quick.

[Nick Fuentes]

Yeah, it was within the first six hours. So if the idf.

[Military Veteran]

Let's get to.

[Nick Fuentes]

How could they have killed them?

[Military Veteran]

Let's get to the facts real quick. So the border fence. And the border fence is one of the most.

[Nick Fuentes]

Wait, are you gonna answer my question? I thought you were about to answer.

[Military Veteran]

Hold on. There's no conjecture here about when people. How many people died? 1200 people died. We don't know when they died. Your opinion is in the first six hours. We don't know that. It took them 20 hours for a mass attack response. That's a fact.

[Nick Fuentes]

Mass attack response and where God's going

[Military Veteran]

no to Hamas inside their perimeter. Let me get there. So it is accurate. So again, when the attack started, they crossed the border fence and they infiltrated by air. They were flying in flying V formation like the Mighty Ducks on hang gliders across the border. When Israel has. The Iron Dome, which is supposed to

[Nick Fuentes]

be one of the most advanced, doesn't shoot paragliders.

[Military Veteran]

It can shoot paraglider. If it can shoot a drone, it can shoot a paraglider. You're factually incorrect. It is how that works.

[Nick Fuentes]

Do you know where the.

[Military Veteran]

Your, your hold up?

[Moderator]

It's.

[Nick Fuentes]

It's not in that area.

[Military Veteran]

And the Iron Dome can reach in the entire.

[Nick Fuentes]

Too low. These aren't rockets that go up.

[Military Veteran]

That's not true. Almost every drone was shot.

[Nick Fuentes]

The Iron Dome shoots down paragliders.

[Military Veteran]

It can. Yes. Yeah. See, here's what you don't understand. You. You don't understand technology.

[Palestinian American]

Right.

[Military Veteran]

And radar.

[Nick Fuentes]

Do you agree when they.

[Military Veteran]

So they can pick up a bird. Time out. They can pick up a bird with radar, but they can't pick up a paraglider.

[Nick Fuentes]

Do you agree they were launching over a thousand rockets. While. While they were infiltrating via the fence or paragraphs. They're always launching when the Iron Dome is launching at those. Why would they launch at paragliders significantly farther away at a significant.

[Military Veteran]

Why, why wouldn't they, especially in the

[Nick Fuentes]

Iron Dome, should have ignored the rockets coming into Israel and shot.

[Military Veteran]

Yeah, because the rockets never hit anything. The rockets never do.

[Nick Fuentes]

Sometimes, but regardless, the Iron sometimes, maybe

[Military Veteran]

like 5% of the time, maybe even less.

[Nick Fuentes]

That's because it has a 95% success. Hold on one second. Look, just get this out. They have a 95% success rate. So when you say the rockets don't hit, that's because the Iron Dome is shooting at them. If you're saying the Iron Dome should

[Military Veteran]

have ignored rockets don't hit anything because they have no, they have no way to, you know, to target or track those rockets. They just launch.

[Nick Fuentes]

So then why have the Iron Dome at all then?

[Military Veteran]

Well, you have the Iron Dome for all kinds of protection from other attacks.

[Nick Fuentes]

No, that's the arrow.

[Liberal Analyst]

That's the arrow.

[Nick Fuentes]

And David, hold up.

[Military Veteran]

Time out, time out, time out. Let's let's get some. No, it's not a. Jesus. You. Your. Your autism's kicking in and you can't handle asking. Answering questions.

[Nick Fuentes]

I'm answering everything you're saying.

[Military Veteran]

Okay, well, then let me get to it. No, no, but your. Everything you say is dumb. Everything you said today has been autism. All right, no, but here. But. No, no. You're the only person that's hearing you, all right? And so hear me out. So they came across the most advanced border fence and.

[Nick Fuentes]

Most advanced.

[Military Veteran]

Yeah, most advanced border fence and detection system. No, no, it's not a chain link fence, brother. The amount of technology that is surrounding the Israeli border.

[Nick Fuentes]

Did you not see the bulldozer where they knocked down the chain link fence?

[Military Veteran]

Okay, time out. Time out. It's not a chain link fence, bro. It has all kinds of detection systems. No one has crossed that border fence in years before the Hamas attack and since. That's because of all the technology and defense systems that are in place, it is one of the most advanced and secured borders. I'm not.

[Moderator]

Who.

[Military Veteran]

Who cares about the fence? Israel has the money. If they wanted to build that. They don't because of the tech and the detection systems they have, which I personally know about. So you can keep gaslighting. I'm not going to talk about that on air. Yeah, no, it's exactly because I'm not going to talk about it on air. You know, I can't say certain things. Don't look at me like that. But that. Get out of here. No, hide. Anyways, they can't get close. They can't get close to that border. And that is a fact. Israeli units will deploy within seconds anytime someone even gets within a buffer. That's a fact. So they also had information from Egyptian intelligence and multiple other nations telling them the attack was coming. And this is on record from testimony from IDF soldiers that they pulled the day before when there was a music festival with international attendees. They pulled the IDF out of that area. That's testimony.

[Nick Fuentes]

There was no IDF at all in the Negev.

[Military Veteran]

The IDF was pulled out of the area of the attack.

[Nick Fuentes]

There was no IDF in the Negev.

[Military Veteran]

They were pulled out of that area. Actually, it's not exactly incorrect. There's testimony from the commander.

[Nick Fuentes]

IDF soldiers.

[Military Veteran]

No, they. They eventually got there, yes.

[Nick Fuentes]

Talking about the base nearby the border.

[Military Veteran]

It's not the base nearby the border. They pulled them off the border. Hold up. Stop gaslighting me. I'm going through a thing. Yeah, Anyways, so they pulled the IDF out of the Area. And they had free reign on that music festival crowd. Right. Which had international attendees. It took them up to 20 hours. You say six, but we'll go with that. To respond to that attack in a country the size of New Jersey. Jersey, where it takes about seven minutes for any attack unit to spin up by helicopter and reach anywhere in Israel, they waited 20 hours to do something because Israel needed a false flag.

[Nick Fuentes]

So just out of curiosity, if, if, if we were to fact check this after I made a video and it wasn't 20 hours when they even reached the kibbutzim, let alone have units, will you admit that everything you just said was bullshit?

[Military Veteran]

Yes, I 100 will. Yeah, everything I just said. Hold time. I'll tell them. I'll admit the 20 hours was. But you said 20.

[Nick Fuentes]

Well, actually, no, no, no, I don't.

[Military Veteran]

Right before they killed Charlie Kirk. Right before they killed Charlie Kirk. Called him out for that. I'm not changing the subject.

[Nick Fuentes]

No, actually he called that out in October of 2023. He just died last year. That was two year old video. So that's also incorrect and be more than glad to show you that after. But anyways, have the video. Yes, it's from October 2023 on the PBD podcast.

[Palestinian American]

Exactly.

[Military Veteran]

And he was incorrect then or. Oh, he wasn't. Right. Okay, you know what I meant, right? I'm not talking about right before he died. Man. You, you. Semantics. What do you want to point out?

[Nick Fuentes]

I want to point out that six hours wasn't the first attack. That's when they had full units. If you're just talking about attacks, it was way before that. In fact, we know this because even the Palestinians till this day, even though it's been fact checked multiple times, they talk about the Apache helicopter video that the IDF themselves release on October. Almost done.

[Military Veteran]

That wasn't right.

[Nick Fuentes]

Ninth.

[Military Veteran]

That wasn't right after.

[Nick Fuentes]

Right after what though?

[Military Veteran]

That the Apache helicopter attack was not

[Nick Fuentes]

right after I said they released the video right after October 7th on October 9th. I have to listen to the whole sentence.

[Military Veteran]

Yeah, exactly.

[Nick Fuentes]

So on October 9th they released the video themselves. And then a pro Palestinian Instagram account a month later on November 9, actually shared it and said it was a Nova music festival site, when in reality it wasn't. Was actually the Gaza border. But the point I'm making is that even the Palestinians would disagree with you that it took 20 hours or even six hours. Because that video they say was during the site of the Nova Music festival. One of the first things to get hit is that fair is one of the first places.

[Military Veteran]

That's not. That's not true. We don't know where that video is from. We think it was from.

[Nick Fuentes]

Was the Nova Music Festival. No, it wasn't. I agree.

[Military Veteran]

Yes, it was.

[Nick Fuentes]

Yeah, that was one of the first places to get hit. So how.

[Military Veteran]

By Hamas? Yes.

[Nick Fuentes]

So you agree the Apache helicopter video shooting at a Nova Music Festival is not.

[Military Veteran]

No, no, no, no. I said I don't know who they were shooting at, but they were shooting at Israelis and Hamas.

[Nick Fuentes]

What I'm saying is, is you agree that the. The claim that Palestinians make that the Nova Music Festival is being shot with Apache helicopter is incorrect.

[Military Veteran]

Oh, I don't know.

[Nick Fuentes]

You don't know that you just said that the Nova Music Festival is one of the first places.

[Military Veteran]

Yes, it's one of the first places.

[Nick Fuentes]

The IDF didn't respond for 20 hours.

[Military Veteran]

They.

[Nick Fuentes]

So how could the Apache helicopter respond within the first hours if they didn't respond for 20 hours?

[Military Veteran]

What you're saying doesn't make sense because they hit it first, but they were still in that area for a long time.

[Nick Fuentes]

But you said it wasn't 20 hours.

[Military Veteran]

20 hours was when the first response came from the IDF, right? That is correct.

[Nick Fuentes]

Right. So how could that video be of the Apache helicopter?

[Military Veteran]

Because they were hunkered down. They were going into homes, they were going into buildings. They were kidnapping people. People can run when helicopters come and shoot, man. That has nothing to do with anything. I know your autism's hurting your brain right now to like, think about complex thoughts. So the point is, it doesn't matter when the. Sorry, I shot over there. So it doesn't matter when they were shooting at people. They were shooting in that area of the music festival. But I digress. So then, yo, Galant, or however you say his name, who.

[Moderator]

The.

[Military Veteran]

The Israeli Minister of Defense who issued the Hannibal Directive, which basically actually he did. And he's on video saying. Yeah, he's on video saying he. He issued it.

[Nick Fuentes]

They used it, he said.

[Military Veteran]

And that's why he resigned areas.

[Nick Fuentes]

It was a no.

[Military Veteran]

It doesn't matter if it was using scenarios.

[Nick Fuentes]

He said how many they did it. And I ask you, just relax. How many people were killed via the Hannibal directive? Of the 1200, how many were killed

[Military Veteran]

by that independent study said about a thousand of the 1200 were killed in that independence. I forget the name of it, but we can look it up.

[Nick Fuentes]

There was a hob. That's article. That's actually the study that came out. Right. It was a report. Do you know how Many. It said in the Hogwarts article it

[Military Veteran]

was about a thousand.

[Nick Fuentes]

It was 15.

[Military Veteran]

No, that's not true.

[Nick Fuentes]

It was a tank shot into a caboose.

[Military Veteran]

I'm not. I'm not talking. No, time out. You're talking about. I'm not going down your rabbit hole. What I'm saying is that was independent. I don't care about the original report. An independent study came up and said about a thousand of the 1200 killed were killed by the IDF. By their own people.

[Nick Fuentes]

Right now you can pull your phone.

[Military Veteran]

I'm not going to pull my phone out. We're going to look. No, no, no. We're going to look this up after. And, you know, the problem is, why

[Nick Fuentes]

does Hamas not say this?

[Military Veteran]

Okay.

[Nick Fuentes]

They're very proud of what they did.

[Military Veteran]

Hamas is controlled by Israel, brother. They are a proxy army for Israel.

[Nick Fuentes]

So then why would. Okay, yeah, perfect. So if Hamas is controlled by Israel and they are Israeli, why would the IDF need to kill a thousand. Why wouldn't they just get Hamas to do it?

[Military Veteran]

Well, because the IDF needs. They have to play the world's smallest violin. Israel needed that.

[Nick Fuentes]

By killing their own people?

[Military Veteran]

Oh, 100%. Israel does it all the time.

[Nick Fuentes]

Wait, hold on. How does that.

[Military Veteran]

Israel's a big fan of killing their

[Nick Fuentes]

own people, so why wouldn't they get Hamas to just do it? Why wouldn't they just get Hamas to kill the 1200? Why would they go in?

[Military Veteran]

Hamas came in. Because you have to play an excuse. See, you don't.

[Nick Fuentes]

How does that excuse Israel?

[Military Veteran]

You don't get to play the world's smallest. No, it doesn't.

[Nick Fuentes]

It does because people like you are going out and saying they killed their own people.

[Military Veteran]

They did kill their own people.

[Nick Fuentes]

So how does that help them? You just said Israel did it. Okay, can I.

[Military Veteran]

Can I finish here? You're not even making a point right now. I am answering the question. Let me finish. Why would Hamas. Why would they do that? Why would they not let Hamas do it? Is that true? Question.

[Nick Fuentes]

Why would they? You said they killed their own people.

[Military Veteran]

They did kill their own people.

[Nick Fuentes]

They can tell the world for us.

[Military Veteran]

No, no, hold on, hold on.

[Nick Fuentes]

Help. No. They play the world small.

[Military Veteran]

Time out. Time out. In order to destroy Hamas with the Hannibal Directive, they said, we will kill Israeli and Hamas.

[Nick Fuentes]

But why, when they control Hamas, why not just get Hamas to kill the 1200, 100?

[Military Veteran]

Well, they were trying. That's the whole point. They had to make it worse.

[Nick Fuentes]

So the idf, right?

[Pro-Palestinian Activist]

Yeah.

[Nick Fuentes]

IDF controls Hamas. They made Hamas go in and Say, hey, start killing Israel.

[Military Veteran]

Yeah.

[Nick Fuentes]

And so then the IDF on video started killing their own instead of just getting the Hamas guys to do it,

[Military Veteran]

even though, yeah, they killed everybody.

[Nick Fuentes]

But why wouldn't they just get Hamas to kill them?

[Military Veteran]

I don't know. Talk to Israel, your buddy.

[Nick Fuentes]

This makes literally zero sense.

[Military Veteran]

No, it makes perfect sense because that's how this stuff works. You worked in a submarine, but you didn't work in terrorism. I remember that. Yeah.

[Nick Fuentes]

So they control Hamas. So their logic is to kill almost all of the 1200 without Hamas.

[Military Veteran]

Yeah, they killed him with Hamas and with idf.

[Nick Fuentes]

But why, if they already control Hamas, why not just get Hamas to do it?

[Military Veteran]

Talk to Yoav Gavon, man, or whatever.

[Pro-Palestinian Activist]

I'm asking you.

[Nick Fuentes]

You're the one making the claim.

[Military Veteran]

Well, that's because that's what they do.

[Nick Fuentes]

Never made this claim.

[Military Veteran]

No. A lot of people made this claim.

[Palestinian American]

Nobody's made this.

[Military Veteran]

Actually, yes, they have.

[Nick Fuentes]

It makes logically.

[Military Veteran]

No, it's called the Hannibal.

[Nick Fuentes]

Okay, let's say you were in control.

[Military Veteran]

Okay.

[Palestinian American]

All right.

[Nick Fuentes]

I want to ask you, since you're an expert. Let's say you were in control.

[Pro-Palestinian Activist]

Yeah.

[Nick Fuentes]

You are Israel, and you control Hamas, and you want Hamas, who you control, to kill a bunch of civilians.

[Military Veteran]

You're just wasting time right now.

[Nick Fuentes]

Am I on the same page with you? To kill a bunch of people so that way you can say, look what they did 100. Would you then say, you know what? I changed my mind. Let's just bring in our military and kill all those people?

[Military Veteran]

Yeah.

[Nick Fuentes]

Why wouldn't you just get the group that you control to kill them for you?

[Military Veteran]

That doesn't matter. This is what happened, man.

[Nick Fuentes]

I don't think you're smart enough to understand what I'm saying.

[Military Veteran]

I don't think you're smart enough to understand what happened either.

[Moderator]

Either.

[Military Veteran]

Okay, you're just talking around in circles like some autistic rain man. But the fact of the matter is, it doesn't matter who killed women.

[Nick Fuentes]

So bad autism.

[Military Veteran]

It is bad for this situation right here because you have no feelings, no remorse, no empathy, no morals, no values. No, you have no logic.

[Nick Fuentes]

Yes, your logic is full. So let's just kill them ourselves instead of using Hamas that I control. Yeah, no, that makes perfect sense.

[Military Veteran]

You're gaslighting right now. That's just what happened. But that's what happened.

[Nick Fuentes]

Happened. But that's what you said. So how am I gaslighting?

[Middle Eastern Commentator]

I'm quoting you.

[Military Veteran]

No, no, no. You're trying to act like that didn't happen, and Trying to, like, delegitimize my argument. That makes sense because that's how they operate. That's how these terrorist groups operate. That's how Israel operates.

[Nick Fuentes]

Operate terrorist organizations as Palestinian, but not using them.

[Military Veteran]

Yes, they. They use.

[Nick Fuentes]

They use a little bit. A tiny little bit.

[Military Veteran]

They use them and then they went and killed them and killed everybody. So you have nothing to say. So you're just trying to make some straw man argued.

[Nick Fuentes]

Why would you just use it?

[Military Veteran]

It's published. It's. Yeah, final point. All right, all right, final point.

[Nick Fuentes]

Yeah, we're 15 minutes in.

[Military Veteran]

Retarded man ended up. All right, okay, look, man. So you want to dance around all kinds of subjects and answer nothing directly. You try to call people stupid. You try to refute their logic points. All right, all right. My whole thing is, man, I just want to know as a human being. Just sit here as a human being. Being. Because to me, you are not Jewish. Right.

[Palestinian American]

I thought I was you.

[Military Veteran]

No, I'm talking about you're a Noah Heidi and whatever the that is.

[Nick Fuentes]

Yeah, that's how you describe.

[Military Veteran]

Yeah. So you're not Jewish. You didn't serve boots on the ground anywhere in that region.

[Liberal Analyst]

Correct.

[Military Veteran]

You have no connection whatsoever to Israel. What makes you want to be such a grifter and attention. An attention seeker that you come on podcast and defend to people you claim not to be part. Part of and then can look a Palestinian man whose family has been killed by the people you're defending, have no heart, have no empathy, no morals, and used to wear the American uniform. What definition of grifter would that be in your logic?

[Moderator]

Yeah.

[Nick Fuentes]

So I was invited on here and I said, yes, I see.

[Military Veteran]

I looked at your.

[Nick Fuentes]

I looked at your social argument.

[Military Veteran]

Yeah, yeah. Emotional arguments matter.

[Nick Fuentes]

But what do you want me to answer?

[Military Veteran]

Here's what I want you to ask her.

[Nick Fuentes]

Why you have a.

[Military Veteran]

You built a platform. Platform on not being a Jew, pretending to be a Jew, but you're a Noahidian, never pretended to be. And defending Israel. You built a platform on being an. With no emotions.

[Nick Fuentes]

Dude, you denied the Holocaust. Are you really on any position to stand?

[Military Veteran]

Yeah, I don't think the Holocaust happened the way that it did. And I can deny the Holocaust.

[Nick Fuentes]

Yes, of course you can. I never said you couldn't. But, like, why are you virtue signaling right now?

[Middle Eastern Commentator]

I just.

[Nick Fuentes]

I just think of this virtue signaling from propaganda because people have morals. River, There is a Decisions made. You were a Jew consequences.

[Military Veteran]

But you have to be. No, no, excuse me, Not a Jew. You're Like a satanic Zionist. That's what you are in a grifter.

[Nick Fuentes]

You deny the Holocaust and you're like, how dare you? Okay, but that's the point, is that you have your opinion and you're over here trying to be the. Thanks for watching all the way to the end, guys. Please hit like and subscribe. It helps us grow the show and helps us get bigger guests. Thank you so much. Does this logically make sense? To deny the Holocaust and then say how dare you do this?

[Christian Commentator]

I won't be talking about the Holocaust. But I, I did want to touch on a couple things. Just like since we're all Americans here and like that it's such a hot topic right now, like whether the Israeli American relationship as it stands or as it's projected to be in the future is a benefit to Americans at all. Is it a net positive, net negative? You know, and I think that's something we have to consider cuz us being that shiny city on the Hill as Reagan called it.

[Nick Fuentes]

Topic.

[Christian Commentator]

Yeah, I'm, I'm, I'll circle it back.

[Nick Fuentes]

I don't want to talk about that. I just want to make sure we're sure, sure.

[Christian Commentator]

I, I was supposed to speak on the last one, so that's kind of why I like, I, I, I'll wrap, I'll wrap it in, I promise. But would you, do you think that I assume that you think the Israeli American relationship is a net positive? Just like yes or no net positive? Yeah. Like to America.

[Moderator]

Yeah.

[Christian Commentator]

Okay. Do you think that there is a contingent of ethno extremists, religious leaders in Israel right now making decisions that most Americans would find questionable? Or at least do you think that Israel and its government are in its current form and if their leadership, do

[Nick Fuentes]

they have so vague that they're forced to say yes? I want to point out I'm not like a lot of Zionists where I think more money and 3.8 billion, I actually want to pull away from that. So it's not that I don't want to answer your questions, I just don't want you to have, have the, the like preface that you think I'm like one of these people that thinks we need to throw more money at it. But to answer your very vague question, that's forced to get a yes, yes. So I also think we have problematic people in our government and. Absolutely. Government, absolutely.

[Christian Commentator]

And Christian extremism is a problem. Muslim extremism is a problem. Jewish extremism is a problem. Would you agree?

[Nick Fuentes]

I, I think any extremism is a problem. However, I want, I do believe this country to be a Christian country. So I don't know. Do you consider that to be extremism?

[Military Veteran]

No.

[Nick Fuentes]

Okay. Okay. Well, in that case, because some people do. And I want this country to be country and I also want Christians to be able to take back the countries that they did have that they've lost.

[Christian Commentator]

Sure. I would consider. Maybe there's an argument to be made that we have religious extremist issue here when we have people like Pete Hagseth telling soldiers that they're going to commit the new crusade. This new crusade in Iran is the new 21st century crusade. When you have people, like I said before, my cup could be allowing for all of greater Israel to be taken over. It was a response to Muslim aggression. I know that, but I'm not that

[Nick Fuentes]

actions within the crusade are absolutely wrong. That's true.

[Christian Commentator]

Okay. What I'm, I want to get back to my point, though. My point is about religious extremism. So I think there's an argument to be made if people are hearkening back and I'm Christian, I'm hearkening back to the Crusades.

[Palestinian American]

I just don't.

[Christian Commentator]

Talking about extreme. I'm, I'm getting to the point where it gets extreme. And they're fundamental Christian Zionists. Right. So they believe that they need to protect and serve Israel in order to be blessed them themselves.

[Nick Fuentes]

What the Israeli government. A lot of them believe.

[Christian Commentator]

Stupid. I, I agree. Thank you. But a lot of people do believe that and they give their money to that. I know a lot of them. I grew up in a church like

[Nick Fuentes]

that briefly, but I was just at cufi and I would say none of them believed Christians united for Israel. And they're obviously all Christian Zionists. And I would say none of them would say we have to serve the government. I'm not going to say that you're wrong, that a lot of them don't believe that. It's not like I know all of them in the world, but I've never met that. They usually go with like Romans 11 and stuff like that. And they talk about, you know, scripture. But you, you could be right. I don't know.

[Christian Commentator]

Sure. So I guess something that kind of, I think was a wakeup call for some people is the beginning open opening acts of the Iran war. US intentionally or otherwise bombing US Hammer or the.

[Nick Fuentes]

Oh, the, the February 20th. Yes.

[Christian Commentator]

So bombing the school, the girls school that obviously a lot of children of military officials from Iran went there and it was awful. We Initially blamed Iran for it and said that they did it, but now it's obvious that we did. We don't know if it was maybe

[Nick Fuentes]

a. Yeah, I came out. I remember I made a video saying, because Trump was like, we think it was Iran. And I was upset at that. Even though I voted for him. I was like, wait. Wait till the investigation's done. Like, don't speak before.

[Christian Commentator]

Same. I felt the same way. So I. And I'm not even Arab or Muslim or anything like that, but to see a bunch of children die in a school being led by rabid Christian Zionists who believe that, like, they will protect.

[Nick Fuentes]

I think you're conflating. First off, that wasn't even Israel. That was America. So the Christian Zionist Israel connection doesn't even matter.

[Christian Commentator]

But no, I am saying America. The Christian Zionist in America.

[Nick Fuentes]

That's what I'm saying. They supported the bombing of children. Maybe I'm misunderstanding.

[Christian Commentator]

No, I'm saying, in effect, that is what happened. Right. So they're kind of flying the bag, flying under the banner of America, Western values, Christian values, Judeo Christian values, all of that.

[Nick Fuentes]

Do you believe that if something bad happens in war, you can't say, hey, I'm against that, but that doesn't mean I have to flip my entire opinion about the war.

[Christian Commentator]

No, of course.

[Nick Fuentes]

But you're saying, well, they're still flying the banner of America. Yeah, because they're American. They should support America, even if we make mistakes.

[Christian Commentator]

Yeah, no, I. I agree, but I'm just saying, how is that not there? Is. Is there not some equation to be made about this also being an act of religious extremism? You can easily make that argument considering the people in. In.

[Nick Fuentes]

You're saying Trump bombed a school because of Christian Zionism or Christian extremism?

[Christian Commentator]

No, but I'm saying, are they doing

[Nick Fuentes]

it in the name of Jesus Christ? Are they saying, like, instead of Allahu Akbar, are they saying Christ is King? Is their bombing at school?

[Christian Commentator]

No, but there is a rising sentiment of this, like, growing Christian crusades, many Muslims as possible.

[Nick Fuentes]

This is the argument, like when people say Nazis are Christians because some Nazis are Christians. It's ridiculous. They weren't doing it in the name of Christianity.

[Christian Commentator]

I agree.

[Nick Fuentes]

Same exact thing with this. Now, if they were doing the name of Christianity, you'd have a perfect point.

[Christian Commentator]

But Hegseth, you know, lecturing, lecturing Pete

[Nick Fuentes]

Hegset say, bomb that school and kill those children. Or was it a nobody soldiers.

[Christian Commentator]

They're doing. They're doing a Christian crusade. And I've Seen this defended online, endlessly.

[Nick Fuentes]

Say that with the intent of bombing a school and killing 160 children.

[Christian Commentator]

No, maybe not. Honestly, we don't know. We don't know. You can't tell me.

[Nick Fuentes]

He said we talk about Muslim extremists. They scream a lot. They're doing it because that is their.

[Christian Commentator]

With their intention. Yeah, and that's why it has terrorism.

[Nick Fuentes]

Intention makes all the difference. Like when Hamas killed people at a Nova music festival. It wasn't like they were shooting at an IDF base and they just kind of missed and they accidentally hit these other. That's not.

[Christian Commentator]

I mean, intention. Intention absolutely matters, especially when it comes to violence. But it starts losing maybe some of its teeth when that road to hell is paved with all of those great intentions. Because in effect what happens is we murdered schoolgirls and then we didn't.

[Nick Fuentes]

Even the IRGC said yes. I mean, we still never seen anything of it. But yes, I agree. The IRGC said that. They're the same IRGC that by the way, denies killing. I think at this point they say only like 5, 000 people on those protests. But the medical.

[Christian Commentator]

Definitely more than that.

[Nick Fuentes]

Yeah, the medical records alone says that they ran out of body bags and it was 38, 000 of them. That doesn't even include any of them that went straight to the morgue, which would probably be the majority. So we're looking at 50, 000 plus minimum.

[Christian Commentator]

And so was that the reason we entered Iran?

[Nick Fuentes]

No, no, no. I'm saying the same IRGC that says. That's what I'm saying. But my question for you is what? Obviously we all want it to be 100 successful.

[Christian Commentator]

Right?

[Nick Fuentes]

My 100 session. I'm talking about every bomb we drop, every missile bullet, it's hitting the exact target. Obviously there might be some cloud damage, but minimize. I mean, it'd be great if it was zero, obviously. But realistically, what success, right? We want it to be 100, but what success would you say day is like, that's reasonable. I don't like it because war sucks, but that's reasonable. Like if it was for civilians, 99, like those, the, the school bombing, right. That is, that was one missile or maybe a couple. I don't know how many missiles hit. So let's say 100 missiles are sent, right? And one hits this school. It is awful. It's seriously, really, really bad that those children died. Right. And I again, as I said, I think during the first claim, it's better to not be in war 100%. I I agree with that.

[Liberal Analyst]

Right.

[Nick Fuentes]

But that's also doesn't make me anti war. It doesn't make me a pacifist at the same time. Right. So what I look at is intent. So if there was a systematic thing beyond just like, oh, here's 1% of the bombs, and in this case, it hit somebody, killed civilians. Right. Child or man even. A lot of people always say children or women, even if a man is innocent, he's a civilian, it's still. Whereas if the intent is the flipped and it's actually 1%, that's.

[Christian Commentator]

Yeah, no, I get that. Yeah, I. I totally get that. So like our intent, I guess then we would pull that out a little bit. So why were we there? Why did we bomb that school is because we're attacking Iran for, as Marco Rubio said, at the behest of Israel, because they knew that Israel was going to attack them. And if the IRGC returned fire and got American civilians, it would be a much worse situation. So we decided to act.

[Nick Fuentes]

Well, that's why we moved up the attack. That's what Marco Ruby is saying.

[Middle Eastern Commentator]

True.

[Nick Fuentes]

Even Israel actually moved up their attack. They weren't supposed to reportedly attack until the night time. The reason they attacked early was because they got intelligence of the meeting, which we know to be true because they literally did take out Khomeini. And so, yes, America. And this is what Marco Ruby said. A lot of people are completely removing context because he explained it even the next day he's saying, yes, they moved up that attack to be first instead of getting a retaliation early. But it wasn't that. He wasn't. Okay, you made it to not like that's the only reason they went into the war.

[Christian Commentator]

No, sure.

[Liberal Analyst]

Yeah, go ahead.

[Christian Commentator]

So then I guess my in the sense of like the point and how this could be like extremism if we're doing that on behalf of a government or another country. I know that, you know, Israel, Iran, chance. Death to America. Death to Israel. They say it's more of an ideological death, but obviously, who knows?

[Nick Fuentes]

Well, they've been proving it. I mean, the very first year they were in, they kidnapped mostly civilians, but Americans and held them for over 400 days.

[Christian Commentator]

They killed.

[Nick Fuentes]

Killed, yeah. They've proven thousand.

[Christian Commentator]

Okay, yeah, yeah, for sure they've proven them.

[Nick Fuentes]

Operation Cassandra we should look into as well, where they have sent Hezbollah, which is their proxies, over to the Western hemisphere to. There's been reports that I'm getting passports, getting into America instead of sneaking in just legally with passports. Drug fentanyl weapons smugglers.

[Christian Commentator]

So you think this was all in

[Nick Fuentes]

the Western Hemisphere, by the way, right below us.

[Christian Commentator]

Right. So you think. So essentially I'm hearing is that you think invading or attacking Iran was in America's best interest and it wasn't actually something that's a net negative to us and only benefited our allies.

[Nick Fuentes]

I, yes, of course. I, I find the IRGC to be extremely problematic. And yeah, they're literally the number one. I don't even think that's up for argument. And on top of that, do you

[Christian Commentator]

think they were an impending threat, like an actual threat?

[Nick Fuentes]

I. And you took out, I mean, didn't

[Christian Commentator]

we take out their nuclear capabilities last June?

[Nick Fuentes]

I'm not particularly only interested in just that you can still be a threat. They've never used a nuke on us and they still somehow killed over a thousand American Americans.

[Christian Commentator]

So I feel like. But the, the nukes were kind of the reason, right?

[Nick Fuentes]

Was that one of the reasons? Those were the big reasons that were pointed out by the administration. But I want to finish what I was saying before I get to those four reasons. So what was I saying? All right. So as for the, the irgc, yeah, I don't trust them at all and I find them to be very problematic. There's a lot of problematic actors in this world for America. North Korea, for example.

[Christian Commentator]

1.

[Nick Fuentes]

But North Korea is not sending proxy groups to the Western hemisphere to invade our country and put in sleeper cells and attempt to assassinate our president. There's been two people that have admitted and been convicted back in 2024, I believe, and then the recent one In March of 2026 that said the IRGC, I was hired and trained by them and I'm working with them and I was attempting to assassinate the president. If North Korea was doing that, then I'd be advocating for that too. The IRGC learn to stay in their place. They don't have to like us and we don't have to like them. But when you are actively. And it's not like it's even a recent thing and it's not even like it took many years after the revolution, it was the exact same year. When you continuously do that, I'm surprised we didn't do something to undermine it before. I'm surprised Trump is the first one to do it now. As for what's better for us, a lot of people aren't talking about this. Even on people who are pro attacking the irgc, we have shifted significant amount of energy lanes that are going to be indefinitely in our favorability. Like I said, indefinitely.

[Moderator]

I don't.

[Nick Fuentes]

I don't know, maybe permanently. We have been shifting energy lanes from the straight of Formos all the way to Straits of Malacca. Straits in Malacca are actually even more important. 80% of China's foreign supply comes through those straits. And now we have shifted those energy lanes in our favor. That's going to be. Even if we ended the war right now, that's something that's going to be hopefully permanent, but at least indefinitely in our favor. And a lot of people aren't talking about that. So, yeah, there's a lot of things that are going to be in our favor that even if we ended it right now, to answer your original question.

[Christian Commentator]

Okay. And I know we kind of end

[Nick Fuentes]

off with the like five more minutes.

[Christian Commentator]

Okay, cool.

[Nick Fuentes]

So the point.

[Christian Commentator]

No, I guess the reason I wanted to tie that in, because we were talking about when the conflict started and when it didn't start. And I do think that we can all admit there's a huge cultural issue with some predominantly Muslim countries or Islamic countries that have an issue with extremism and growing to hate their neighbor or Christians or Jews or anything like that. Right. Everyone.

[Nick Fuentes]

Everyone, including their own.

[Christian Commentator]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, sure. And I think that we. It is a disservice to not address that same thing happening in Israel because they're also. There is also this culture of.

[Nick Fuentes]

This is called both sides in the situation. You know how many Islamic, Islam. Not someone who happened to be Muslim that didn't. You know how many Islamist terrorist attacks there have been since just the past 25 years, quarter century.

[Christian Commentator]

I'm not just talking about terrorist attacks.

[Nick Fuentes]

72, 2000. And yeah. I don't doubt how many Christians make up more, a lot more than Muslims by like.

[Christian Commentator]

I know.

[Nick Fuentes]

We don't.

[Christian Commentator]

Don't blow ourselves up.

[Nick Fuentes]

I get. How many Christian terrorist attacks have there been since 2001?

[Christian Commentator]

Yeah, no, I do.

[Nick Fuentes]

I agree with you that there are. Can we address extremism everywhere? Sure. Yes. But when Christians start beheading people and start blowing themselves up and start doing that at such a significant rate that it's worth talking about. I'd be more than glad to have that discussion.

[Middle Eastern Commentator]

You don't.

[Christian Commentator]

Wait. You don't think it's worth talking about the fact that it's mentioned in the Epstein files so multiple times so often

[Nick Fuentes]

that Christians blow themselves up?

[Christian Commentator]

No. That Epstein was like a rabid supremacist. A rabid Jewish supremacist.

[Nick Fuentes]

Do you think I. I don't like him.

[Christian Commentator]

No. But I'm saying like there's there, there are ways where ethnic supremacy can play in negative into our world besides terrorism.

[Nick Fuentes]

Ethnic supremacy?

[Christian Commentator]

No, no, no, no, no, no. I think he took advantage of people. I think he took advantage of markets. I think he helped collapse and.

[Moderator]

Yeah.

[Nick Fuentes]

Which we can bring him back alive and publicly hang him. That's I'm with.

[Christian Commentator]

Sure. Same, same. I don't know how he might still be alive.

[Military Veteran]

No, no.

[Christian Commentator]

What I'm making the point because you brought up the point that like how many Christians are blowing themselves up? How many. And I get that like terrorism again,

[Nick Fuentes]

in the name of Christianity, in the name of Judaism, in the name of Islam. I'm not talking about someone. I wouldn't put this on a Muslim who happened to be Muslim. But he was just.

[Christian Commentator]

Well, do you think the settler. Well, do you think some of the settlers in the west bank when they commit violence against the Palestinians that are there, do you not think that, that supremacy plays a part of that?

[Nick Fuentes]

I'm sure.

[Christian Commentator]

I mean, you know what amalect means, right? And Bibi Netanyahu said that himself.

[Nick Fuentes]

Okay.

[Christian Commentator]

Not a tree left standing.

[Nick Fuentes]

Stop. Bibi Netanyahu did not invoke the book of Samuel, which is what you guys think he said. He didn't. In fact, do you know that same quote that he said? Do you know where it's at on a plaque? It's outside of the Hague. Do you think the Hague is genocidal? Do you know what the Hague is? Yeah, yeah, it's outside of the Hague. You, you, what you guys did, it's like, it's like if you say a word and you're like, well, it's also in this part of the Bible. So I'm going to say he said this quote when reality was take he's talking about this one.

[Christian Commentator]

But is he not talking about the enemies of Israel and what they need to do in response when they're getting

[Nick Fuentes]

attack did to you? Again, this is something outside of the Hague. If he was invoking the book from. I think it's Samuel, I want to say chapter 11, I could be wrong. If he was invoking that, you'd have a perfect point.

[Christian Commentator]

Right, but what. And then. Okay, in that, okay, in that point that he's allegedly not invoking, what, what is the response? It's every man, woman, child, don't leave a tree.

[Nick Fuentes]

Again, if he was invoking Samuel, then you'd be correct. But you're asking me to answer something he never said.

[Christian Commentator]

But when you overly that. Okay, let's say he never Said it. He did. But let. Let's say he never said it. If you superimpose that with drone footage of what Gaza looks like now, yes,

[Nick Fuentes]

you can trick idiots. It makes useful idiots.

[Christian Commentator]

How is that. How is that tricking an idiot going

[Nick Fuentes]

to look into and be like, I

[Christian Commentator]

wonder, was there a terrace in every single one of those buildings that's like flattened where it's just for miles. You can't see anything. It's all rubble.

[Nick Fuentes]

They were first of all mostly explosive. Probably didn't even kill a person. There's probably been over 5, 500, 000 explosives.

[Christian Commentator]

Even if 89 of like civilian infrastructure

[Nick Fuentes]

is correct, and 3% to 4% of this, you're proving my point. I'm saying that most bombs, explosives, did not kill anyone. Is that a fair statement that, oh, Hamas or civilian.

[Christian Commentator]

Well, when I brought up genocide prior, it wasn't even about them directly killing people with bombs. It's about them taking out infrastructure, take. Not providing food and water. So, yes,

[Nick Fuentes]

going back to genocide. But if we're going back to INF infrastructure, if we wanted to argue concrete decide, then you win.

[Liberal Analyst]

You got.

[Nick Fuentes]

You got me. But we're not arguing that. We're arguing genocide. It's a very specific.

[Christian Commentator]

I don't even know what concrete decide means. Can you tell me?

[Nick Fuentes]

I'm saying it's a joke because you're talking about buildings being damaged.

[Christian Commentator]

Oh, okay. I literally thought that was like some Greek shit or something. Okay, never mind.

[Nick Fuentes]

Anyway, final point though. He never talked about the point.

[Christian Commentator]

Anyway, I just think that there's a severe level of dehumanization going for. For a lot of people. People in Jews too. Jews and Diaspora. I'm seeing Jews get hate that never should never get any of that because they have nothing to do with what's going on and they're actually against it, you know, And I'm so against any sort of ethno supremacy or ethnic hatred. This is what I preach and talk to everybody about. And I just feel like we're doing a disservice by not also addressing that there is ethnic Jewish supremacy in power in Israel and saying quite genocidal things that are not representative of all Jews at all.

[Nick Fuentes]

And I think that's not all Israelis dangerous. And the majority of them.

[Christian Commentator]

No, no, exactly. And very much so. Not all Israelis.

[Nick Fuentes]

That's why I say Islamist terrorism and I don't just say Muslims because it would be equally damaging to say, oh, because there are 72,000 Islamist terrorist attacks Muslims.

[Christian Commentator]

Exactly right.

[Nick Fuentes]

But you're doing that by saying Israelis instead of just saying like. It would be like if I said Muslims instead of Islamist terrorists earlier in my statements, but I didn't say that. Thanks for watching all the way to the end, guys. Please hit like and subscribe. It helps us grow the show and helps us get. Get bigger guests. Thank you so much.

[Liberal Analyst]

What's up?

[Nick Fuentes]

Yes, nice to meet you.

[Middle Eastern Commentator]

Yeah, good to see you.

[Nick Fuentes]

Vm.

[Middle Eastern Commentator]

Vm Yep.

[Nick Fuentes]

It's an interesting name. Is this short for something?

[Middle Eastern Commentator]

No, it's an Armenian name. It's in a biblical Armenian name.

[Nick Fuentes]

Nice.

[Middle Eastern Commentator]

Like it?

[Nick Fuentes]

All right, let's try to stay on

[Moderator]

the prompt this time.

[Nick Fuentes]

So the conflict didn't start on October 7th, but also didn't start in 1948.

[Middle Eastern Commentator]

So when did it start?

[Nick Fuentes]

Yeah, so, I mean, it depends on what you're talking. We were talking about more directly. I would probably go with the 1800s, maybe into the late 1800s. The most. If you're talking about with religiously, mostly 637.

[Middle Eastern Commentator]

I mean. Okay, but then you had a lot of post World War II, after Nazi Germany, you had a lot of Jews coming to Palestine. Would you agree?

[Nick Fuentes]

Yes. The Holocaust caused a lot of people to be displaced. That is a factual.

[Middle Eastern Commentator]

So if they're at war, I mean, when we're at war with the Germans here, we stuck them all in concentration camps and stuff. And if we're. If they were truly at war, you have all these, you know, there's all these wonderful images of refugees coming up, coming to Israel, Palestine with their luggage and all that. Like, they're not being snipered. They're not being attacked. So I'm wondering, like, actually, were they being attacked? Like you're talking in general. They were being that.

[Nick Fuentes]

You remember that famous photo that Palestinians love to share where they were on a boat and it says, the Germans destroyed our homes. Don't destroy our hopes and dreams, I think is what it says. That was actually the Alia Batship, Theodore Herzl, and a lot of people like to use that for propaganda and say, look, we welcome the. In that boat. Never actually made it in. The Arabs actually were rioting so much that they didn't want any Jews in the land. And so what the British did is they actually took. Not just that one, but that's just the most famous one. They took that. They actually took the Jews that were on that land and sent them to Cyprus to internment camps. Did you know that?

[Middle Eastern Commentator]

Actually, I didn't know that.

[Nick Fuentes]

That's interesting a lot of times.

[Middle Eastern Commentator]

But was that. Was that like wholesale public or was

[Nick Fuentes]

that like a faction of the Palestinians, like literally 100%? I'm sure it wasn't.

[Middle Eastern Commentator]

I mean, what.

[Nick Fuentes]

But it was a majority.

[Middle Eastern Commentator]

What percentage was.

[Nick Fuentes]

Was it of that ship? I have no idea. I'm not going to lie to you and just make up a percentage. I'm not sure what the exact percentage was, but it was strong enough to make a difference and I don't really see why it matters if it was.

[Middle Eastern Commentator]

So you're, you're saying when they arrived they were automatically. There was attacks upon them and they weren't led to live in peace, basically.

[Nick Fuentes]

I don't think that's what I said. I said no, I'm just asking you,

[Middle Eastern Commentator]

I'm asking a question.

[Nick Fuentes]

Yeah, the British took the Jews on that boat and sent them to an internment camp in Cyprus. That's what, what I said.

[Middle Eastern Commentator]

Okay. And none of them were allowed to settle in Israel or Palestine.

[Nick Fuentes]

I can't answer for the thousands and thousands that happened to. Maybe later, maybe after Israel was created, they went there. I'm not, I'm not particularly sure. So let me ask you, they weren't at the time allowed.

[Middle Eastern Commentator]

What about ingenuity? I mean we spent like gazillion dollars, billions of dollars on bombs and stuff, right? That are now, you mean. I'm talking about since 1948.

[Nick Fuentes]

There's been, I'm saying in total for America.

[Middle Eastern Commentator]

For America, for. I mean, what if, what if we did something, I don't know, different and clever rather than doing war. It's a, it's a land issue, you know, And I was researching how you could actually build islands in the, in the, in oceans. Now it's totally possible, right? You could build a New Jersey size piece of land just off the coast of Israel right there. You double the land automatically. I'm pretty sure that the amount of money we've spent on bombs could actually fill that land. And then now you have double the land and that should diffuse the situation.

[Nick Fuentes]

Israel had quite quadruple the land in 1967.

[Middle Eastern Commentator]

And they get, well, I mean physical and I'm just, I'm just saying creative solutions to not continuing the war because the reason.

[Nick Fuentes]

So I'm trying to figure out how more land. If they had quadruple the land and it didn't work, then how would, well,

[Middle Eastern Commentator]

quadruple the physical land. I'm talking about literally creating land in the ocean. I'm talking about doing what the, in Dubai they did by. We have the technology now. It's totally possible. You double land over there. That lessens the pressure for war because now we're not fighting for inches. I'm looking for solutions because right now what's happening, the reality of what's happening, happening is our entire economy in America is going to collapse because of this whole situation. We're in such great debt. We're looking at Iran closing the Strait of Hormuz again. Trump's talking about he's going to take over the Strait of Hormuz, which is completely impossible. It's not going to happen. That's just going to drain our wealth more and more. Then we go into an economic downturn and we're all screwed because of that.

[Nick Fuentes]

Just a little confusing because we went from the prompt and then we went to like what happened in 48? We went to an island in the

[Middle Eastern Commentator]

middle of the well, I'm trying to come up with creative solutions as opposed to continuing the war that's going to eventually destroy the entire a world economic economy.

[Nick Fuentes]

That's a answer about the war machine. I actually believe it's America that doesn't want to release those ties. Not Israel, not Saudi Arabia. In fact, Obama and Biden, I don't know if you know about the conflict with Saudi Arabia and Yemen. They were actually about to finish that during Obama's term. And Obama and Biden went in and stopped Saudi Arabia. Now, I'm not going to say Obama admitted to this outright, but I'm pretty sure the reason he did that is because do you know who we give more weapons to than anyone in the world? Saudi Arabia. Saudi Arabia. And so if they solve that conflict, guess who they're not buying from anymore? Us. Same thing with Israel. Israel sends about $24 billion in exports to us.

[Middle Eastern Commentator]

So you're saying we're keeping the conflict alive for our own financial interests, basically to sell.

[Nick Fuentes]

I'm saying that there's strong evidence for that. When Yasser Arafat was in literal scope of Israel, who stopped them? America. When Saudi Arabia was out to end the conflict, who stopped them? America. This happens.

[Middle Eastern Commentator]

So they want to keep it going as an American policies to basically keep the conflict going. Because best I think a lot of

[Nick Fuentes]

people love to talk about like the Jewish lobby or even the Islamic lobby now is kind of coming up with guitar and everything. I think a lot less people talk about the war machine lobby.

[Middle Eastern Commentator]

Exactly. That's the problem. And I feel like we're using those people to keep kill, killing each other as opposed to coming out with creative solutions. Because what I just told you, the military industrial complex won't approve. Like, hey, let's spend $100 billion building an island double the land. Now we have two new jerseys right there. Now there's land less pressure about. No, no, no, they don't want that, I think. And, and this is the suicide we're committing. This is the suicide we're committing right now because that's going to affect us financially.

[Nick Fuentes]

The Strait of Hormu financially, good way for us. Yes.

[Middle Eastern Commentator]

How is that affecting us good financially? I don't get it. Like our economy is destroyed. We've had 95%.

[Nick Fuentes]

If we were to end the conflicts, Right. Especially in the Middle east and even worldwide. Right. That's, that's one of by far biggest exp. Exports. We would zero of that.

[Middle Eastern Commentator]

Yeah, but at the price of the regular people. Like we the people. Regular people. Not a lease, not military industrial complex people, but regular people. Look at your inflation that's going on. And by the way, I'm not arguing with you. I'm just saying like we got to come up with clever solutions.

[Nick Fuentes]

I'm not saying I want to continue the. I'm saying that the clever solution should be more than just we should stop it. Because right now we are dependent on a lot of that. And as we agree, I'm not necessarily for that, that, but I think your solution would actually cause an increase of inflation. It would cause a depression if.

[Middle Eastern Commentator]

How what you're talking about.

[Nick Fuentes]

Because again, if you were to cut off all of that major amount of expert. I mean this is a major part of our economy. If you were to cut that off by just like solving everything. I, I, I don't know.

[Middle Eastern Commentator]

What you're talking about is a downward spiral. You're talking about a temporary thing that, hey, it helps us right now because we're selling a bunch of weapons. Your inflation's still going up. There's still conflict.

[Nick Fuentes]

Inflation's going up because, because of conflict in the world.

[Middle Eastern Commentator]

Oh, that's part of the reason, of course. Yeah, part, that's part of the reason, of course. Yeah, totally.

[Nick Fuentes]

Okay.

[Middle Eastern Commentator]

Because we're, we're continuing, we're continuing to like borrow money. We're in 40, 40 trillion dollars in debt now. Once we get 42 trillion, your interest becomes higher than what you could actually pay back, what happens then? That is a, that is a. And then you look at things like our, our debt to income ratio. I mean these are things that are going to eventually actually erupt. Like we're not going to get to 43 trillion.

[Nick Fuentes]

I'm all with it. I just don't know what this has to do with the conflict and start on October 7th?

[Middle Eastern Commentator]

Well, no, because it's a domino effect because now we're in Iran trying to like. Because the IRGC is importing Hezbollah and Hamas and all that. Now we're trying to solve that over there. While our economy is going down the toilet, our future's going down.

[Nick Fuentes]

What would say hypothetically, if we did solve that issue with the IRGC and let's say the IRGC even fell. I'm not even necessarily saying that's what's. I don't even know if that helps

[Middle Eastern Commentator]

because that brings chaos. And you know, look, look, we took down Sam Hussein and yeah, I don't like Saddam Hussein, but like who Chaos. I'm talking about you're going to turn Iran's going to split up into like perpetual war like Iraq. By the way, like, you have these insurance.

[Nick Fuentes]

How would that affect our economy?

[Middle Eastern Commentator]

Because we're probably going to feel like we need to fix the problem and then we're going to be spend spending our blood and treasure on trying to fix a problem that's not our problem. You know what's our, you know, it's a problem right now in this country.

[Nick Fuentes]

Hold on. What if we didn't. What if we didn't do a rock 2.0, which I think every politician would understand that wouldn't. They wouldn't do.

[Middle Eastern Commentator]

We are in Iraq 2.0. This is worse than Iraq 2.0. Iraq's a tiny nation. Iran could actually. Iran's not Iraq, man. Iran's a powerful modern society.

[Nick Fuentes]

Is worse than what we did in Iraq when we sent hundreds of thousands of troops to just hold CB built.

[Middle Eastern Commentator]

Well, we're six months into it now. We're not 23 years into 23 years of Iran.

[Nick Fuentes]

And then we'll see if that. Well, just so you know, we were already doing that six months into Iraq, so that doesn't really make sense what he just said. But if we do that in Iraq, Iran, then I'll call you up and be like, hey, yeah, I'm against it too. I've always made that very clear. I'm not for that. We are in a new age. If we are trying to fight wars like we did 20 years ago or more. Yeah, obviously I'd find that stupid. But the problem is is that people on the other side consistently say, what about this? What about this? And so they therefore make this like comparison that what about this?

[Middle Eastern Commentator]

But what is the specific of what about this? Could you be smart?

[Nick Fuentes]

Sure, yeah. They say, what about like you, Rob, what about Afghanistan is, if we have to fight wars, exactly the same way. Now again, I'll make it very clear, if we did do that, like, if Trump tomorrow is like, I want to fight it just like we did the way we fought in Iraq, I'll be the first one to be like, yeah, that's, that's stupid.

[Middle Eastern Commentator]

I mean, we're, we're sending out like million dollar missiles against their $20, I mean, $200 drones or whatever.

[Moderator]

That's what we're like $2,000 drones.

[Nick Fuentes]

But we actually, just so you know, we have created, and that's one of the things we're in Ukraine with and we're using Ukrainian drones to shoot down their shahid drones. And, and they're actually cheaper than their Shahedron, so they're actually wasting money. But I agree we need to implement that program better even for the future because you're right, we shouldn't be using Patriot missiles to shoot down drones. That's ridiculous.

[Middle Eastern Commentator]

Yeah, I just, my point is, I mean, I guess like in closing and stuff is like, we're in a downward spiral right now because of these perpetual wars that are going to affect us here when frankly, our country's a mess. So when our country's a mess, I'm not worried about Iran.

[Nick Fuentes]

I'm worried about when do you think war is? When do you think war is justified? Then I'm also against.

[Middle Eastern Commentator]

When is war justified? Yeah, I mean, if your land's being attacked, if your culture is being attacked, which by the way, all our lands being attacked, our culture is being attacked, our laws are being attacked, our judicial war, our. Well, I'm talking about why don't we attack, why don't we attack the treasonous perks in this country. I mean, that to me, I'm looking at like we're trying to pick something over here. When the problem is here.

[Nick Fuentes]

This is a real problem argument a lot of people make where they say, like, hey, because we have this problem, therefore it debunks this one. No you can care about.

[Middle Eastern Commentator]

Well, no, it's a bandwidth issue though. Like, it's like, is it gross?

[Nick Fuentes]

We have the bandwidth to do both for sure.

[Middle Eastern Commentator]

I don't think we have the bandwidth.

[Nick Fuentes]

We do, but you're not answering my question.

[Middle Eastern Commentator]

When you go to supermarket, there's evidence that we don't have the bandwidth to do both.

[Nick Fuentes]

We don't have the bandwidth.

[Middle Eastern Commentator]

In the last 20 years, prices have gone up so much because our. Gone up because our debt's gone up.

[Nick Fuentes]

You're, you're pushing away from the user said traitorous pricks. And now you're talking about grocery stores. So I just want to make sure. When I made my, I'm talking about

[Middle Eastern Commentator]

the Iran US being in Iran war. Is she in the, on the shelves? Here is my point.

[Nick Fuentes]

I understand. I'm just saying the last thing you said was that. So when I responded and said both, I meant what you said, not something else. I just want to make sure we're clear. That being said, when is it okay? When is it time to go to war? Don't tell me about other problems we have. I agree with you.

[Middle Eastern Commentator]

I think we should be at war right now with our country. And I'm not talking about a civil war. I'm talking about, I'm talking about, I'm talking about the people that are that taking American society and taking it from its essence of what the founding fathers

[Nick Fuentes]

and I, I, I, I would love to have that conversation a separate time. But to stick on the topic. When do you think it's okay to go to war? When would you say now's the time? Well, let's say war with Iran. What would Iran have to do to go to war?

[Middle Eastern Commentator]

I mean, directly attack us. And it's not a false flag. It's not an intelligence operation. There's so many levels there. In fact, when you guys were talking, talking about, hey, like would you agree to. As long as, as long as you could have the west bank and as long as you don't attack Israel. Right. Which I agree with. But the issue there is we have intelligence operations. They would do a false flag. You and then Iran, by the way, let's quickly, quickly, let's bring up Iran. When they, this last two weeks you had a, you had a.

[Nick Fuentes]

Going off the topic. We got, I'm trying to, I'm trying to stay to the topic. Trust me, there's a billion things we can talk about. But I feel like you guys are scared, like answer questions. So.

[Middle Eastern Commentator]

No, it's not. I'm talking about lesser of two evils right now.

[Christian Commentator]

If you have.

[Nick Fuentes]

Okay, okay, you're about to do it again. Just let me finish. Okay, so you said if they directly attack us, what does that mean? Like attack any American attack, like continental United States. And when you, whatever you mean by that is like with missiles, is it with assassination attempts, is it with proxies, is it IRGC directly? Can you expand on that?

[Middle Eastern Commentator]

I mean, I would say if there was their government policy, not some like,

[Nick Fuentes]

you know, their Government Policy, 1979. To attack us, actually, yes. And they've been doing that. Then again, you could argue, but you didn't answer. What does attacking us mean? Do you mean Americans? Do you mean continental United States? What does it mean?

[Middle Eastern Commentator]

I think you'd have to attack continental United States.

[Nick Fuentes]

Okay. So if you were to attack, I assume that includes Alaska and Hawaii. So if you were to attack us anywhere else, though. Free game. You're good.

[Middle Eastern Commentator]

Like, you're talking about, like we're attacking. Like you're. We're doing individual, like, assassination.

[Nick Fuentes]

I just find it funny that an American says that other. Only if you attack us right in this spot, but if you attack us there.

[Liberal Analyst]

I don't care.

[Christian Commentator]

I can't.

[Middle Eastern Commentator]

I don't care. There's. There's different versions of how you attack. I'm tell. I'm talking about attacking a whole country. Now, if somebody. They have factions where they're doing assassinations. Yeah. We still need to attack them. We don't attack the whole country. We take out those assassins, we take out those intelligence units.

[Nick Fuentes]

What if they attack and fail,

[Middle Eastern Commentator]

like, as a country?

[Nick Fuentes]

If they attacked us, then we have to fight back on the continental United States. But they fail. So you don't believe those two replacements reports?

[Middle Eastern Commentator]

No.

[Christian Commentator]

No, you don't.

[Middle Eastern Commentator]

Attacked and they failed. I. I still think we should attack

[Nick Fuentes]

them as a country.

[Middle Eastern Commentator]

Even if their country attacked. Right.

[Nick Fuentes]

We're on the same page.

[Middle Eastern Commentator]

Factions and all that.

[Nick Fuentes]

On the same page.

[Middle Eastern Commentator]

Yeah.

[Nick Fuentes]

So those two reports back in 2024 and the most recent one, March 2026, where those guys said they were trained, there's evidence.

[Christian Commentator]

Well, the issue with that.

[Middle Eastern Commentator]

The issue with that is we empowered those people in 1955 or 54. They had a democratically. Because I know where you're getting.

[Nick Fuentes]

What was I going to say?

[Middle Eastern Commentator]

You're getting out the two reports. You're talking about how, like, they're trying to assassinate President Trump. The two reports of how there was people that crossed the border that were planning on assassinating Trump. Right. And that's what you're talking about.

[Nick Fuentes]

What does this have to do with 1955? When do you think that.

[Middle Eastern Commentator]

Well, no, because. Because they had a democratically elected government. Rca.

[Nick Fuentes]

So you're saying.

[Middle Eastern Commentator]

And then the. The fanatics came as a result of our action.

[Nick Fuentes]

You're talking about Mossadeg.

[Middle Eastern Commentator]

Exactly. Yeah. In 1979.

[Nick Fuentes]

No, that wasn't.

[Pro-Palestinian Activist]

Jesus Christ.

[Middle Eastern Commentator]

No, no, no, I know. I know the. I know Mossadegh was 54 and I know Shah was 79. And the reason I'm.

[Moderator]

What?

[Nick Fuentes]

Hold on.

[Christian Commentator]

Wait a minute.

[Nick Fuentes]

We're going we're doing it again. You keep going off. We got to wrap this up too. So I, I'm just going to say it so you stop going off and wrap. Even if you thought that that was a justification to 60, 70 plus years later to assassinate our president or try to.

[Middle Eastern Commentator]

No, it's not justification.

[Nick Fuentes]

So you just went off on a totally different topic.

[Middle Eastern Commentator]

I don't think it's a justification.

[Nick Fuentes]

Okay, so real quick.

[Middle Eastern Commentator]

Yes.

[Nick Fuentes]

So if you said that it's justified to attack or sorry, to attack them, if they attack, attack us on continental us. Because all the other people, all the other Americans everywhere else, then.

[Middle Eastern Commentator]

No, that's not what I'm saying. I still think they should get attacked. There's a difference between.

[Nick Fuentes]

I don't understand why you're against this war. Because all of those things that you said has happened. All of them.

[Middle Eastern Commentator]

But every. But we put them in that situation because we screw with.

[Nick Fuentes]

So you're saying that your. These need to happen even though everything you mentioned has happened. One second.

[Middle Eastern Commentator]

You're not seeing the.

[Nick Fuentes]

Let me finish the question. So you said if these things happen, that's justification for you to go to war. I just told you correctly that all of those have happened. And you're saying, oh, well, I'm changing my mind. One second. Almost done. One more time. Yes, it was, it was on continental. And I'm telling you that all of those have happened. And now you're saying, never mind. I changed my mind because of what we did in the 1950s.

[Middle Eastern Commentator]

I didn't say that.

[Nick Fuentes]

So you do agree that we should attack them.

[Middle Eastern Commentator]

Well, let me finish what I'm saying. What I'm saying is there's an act of war in terms of you attack a country, then there's a. Then there's a other way of war, which is you send out a bunch of assassins to take care of the people. You don't attack the whole country. But you know that, okay? This is a contingency that's trying to test any Trump. You take them all out, you want

[Nick Fuentes]

a missile and you don't do anything to the entity.

[Middle Eastern Commentator]

Huh?

[Nick Fuentes]

You don't do anything to the IRGC who sent them.

[Middle Eastern Commentator]

You take out the individuals that were part of that. But I'm just saying this idea of.

[Nick Fuentes]

So we're just gonna.

[Christian Commentator]

They're not.

[Nick Fuentes]

They're bombing irgc. Okay, so you're saying you do agree with bombing the irgc. You're just the part. You're not.

[Middle Eastern Commentator]

Limited strike. A limited strike as opposed to what we're doing right now. Which is a war.

[Nick Fuentes]

Got it.

[Liberal Analyst]

You're for the war.

[Nick Fuentes]

You're just not for how it's being done.

[Middle Eastern Commentator]

I'm not. I'm not for the war. I'm not.

[Christian Commentator]

Just clarify, everyone.

[Nick Fuentes]

Thanks for watching all the way to the end, guys, please hit like and subscribe. It helps us grow the show and helps us get bigger guests. Thank you so much.

[Palestinian American]

You have a claim?

[Nick Fuentes]

Yeah, the claim is the conflict didn't start on October 7th, but also didn't start in 1948.

[Palestinian American]

Well, definitely that's the case. I disagree with the fact that you keep painting all Muslims as by culture is a violent culture.

[Nick Fuentes]

Say that.

[Palestinian American]

You keep saying Islamic terrorism. That's the 72,000 attacks.

[Nick Fuentes]

Not Muslims. I said that to him. I said definitely not Muslims. Islamic terrorism.

[Palestinian American]

And I think that's where you're going with when you said it started back in 634, right? Is that what you said?

[Nick Fuentes]

637. But no, I said only if you're going like with a religious argument, which I don't have to.

[Palestinian American]

So just so you know, when

[Nick Fuentes]

Omar

[Palestinian American]

that you mentioned his name earlier conquested or Jerusalem, the Christian leaders in that city asked him to prevent Jews from entering the city. And he said, we cannot do that under the ruling of the Islamic civilizations, Muslims, Christians and Jews had equal rights to attend and worship in the city of Jerusalem. And it was fine. And the fact that. Fact that Jews existed in Palestine before the establishment with Israel, the fact that Jews were welcomed to come to Palestine after the Holocaust, maybe some minor, small percentage. Minor percentage incidents that took place, but that's only after Palestinians realized, hey, there's an intention here. Sarkassians, Armenians, many people fled atrocities, genocides and came and lived in Palestine when Palestinians and Palestinians welcomed them all the time. So to say that Palestinians were intentionally or systematically kicking out Jews out of Palestine is nonsense. Is not truth.

[Nick Fuentes]

You implied that I didn't era writing which is 100% true and factual. And it led to the white papers and this happened once thousands of Jews. This wasn't.

[Palestinian American]

Let me finish. Let me finish.

[Pro-Palestinian Activist]

Okay, Go ahead.

[Palestinian American]

Let me finish. You got your time to talk. Let me finish. So the fact that the fact. No previously with other speech.

[Nick Fuentes]

I'm not speaking to them though. I'm speaking to you.

[Palestinian American]

Let me finish my point.

[Nick Fuentes]

I'm not hearing you.

[Moderator]

Go ahead.

[Palestinian American]

It doesn't look like you are so to the fact to say that it did not start back in 1948, you are implying that Jews were persecuted or killed or kicked out from Palestine before then. I don't know if that's the truth or not of what you're trying to say. So what do you mean by that?

[Nick Fuentes]

Do you think before 1948 that. That Jews were kicked out, killed and persecuted?

[Palestinian American]

The only times that there was conflicts or fights between Palestinian Arabs and Jews In Palestine before 1948 is when Jews, immigrants tried to take the land by force or try to establish. Absolutely.

[Nick Fuentes]

When was Zionist Zionism?

[Palestinian American]

So Zionists started in the late 1800s.

[Nick Fuentes]

So in 1517, when there was the Hebron massacre, where they targeted and assassinated and killed Jews, what was a prison for that? That's 300 years before 300.

[Palestinian American]

That's an isolated incident. It was not.

[Nick Fuentes]

Okay, fine. Fair enough. How about the Savat massacre?

[Palestinian American]

All of them are isolated. You're talking about 1500 years when they

[Nick Fuentes]

kicked out Jews that were old enough to.

[Palestinian American]

If it was bad for them, they would not have migrated to the Muslim war. If it was really bad for them,

[Nick Fuentes]

not as bad as the holiday. Congratulations.

[Palestinian American]

The Spanish Inquisition was. It was done by Christian Spanish to Jews and Muslims. Muslims and Jews. When they fled Spain, they went to Northern Africa.

[Nick Fuentes]

So you're arguing now. No, no, no.

[Moderator]

Muslims.

[Nick Fuentes]

Dude, what I'm trying to say, and I have to. I have to be able to answer some of this stuff. I didn't say that Muslims were the worst in history to Jews. And I know you keep saying the words you implied. No, I didn't. Okay, yes. Muslims throughout. Hold on. You said a lot. Muslims throughout history have done better than a lot of people, especially Europeans. I've never denied that. You're just implying that this. Explain to me the claim argument.

[Palestinian American]

Explain the claim.

[Nick Fuentes]

I. I already did. But no, quick. You said a lot.

[Palestinian American]

Okay, explain the claim, the prompt.

[Nick Fuentes]

What are you talking about?

[Palestinian American]

Didn't start in October 7th. Didn't start 94.

[Nick Fuentes]

If I do, can I go back to what I was saying?

[Palestinian American]

Sure.

[Nick Fuentes]

Okay, explain.

[Palestinian American]

So we are on the same thing.

[Nick Fuentes]

I came up with this with Sean was because I constantly. When I get people to come up on my live, I consistently hear them say, this didn't start on October 7th. And I always say the same thing to every person that says that, whether they're Palestinian or pro pa, Whatever. Yeah, I know. I never said that it did. So I don't think you particularly think that. But that's not the point. The reason the claim is is because there's a significant enough percentage of people who do believe that that's a good argument to consistently say it didn't start on October 7th. As if anyone, not that I know, even says that. Everyone knows that. It was before October 7th there was a conflict. But when I asked them, okay, when did it start? Almost exclusively sometimes they'll say 1917 or maybe 36, but almost exclusively they say 1948. So that's where the claim came from, if you must know.

[Moderator]

Got it.

[Palestinian American]

So for that point when you say October 7th happened, when someone asks me, what do you mean by October 7th was not the beginning of the story? I'll go not as far as 1948. I'll go as far 16, 15 years earlier when there's a brutal besiege and embargo on Gazans. They lived for 15, 16 years, yada, 15, 16 years before October 7th. Okay, okay. There was 16 years of embargo siege around Gaza. Not allowing people of Gaza to live a normal life, not allowing them to have normal hopes and human dignity. That's when I say that's a buildup of all that. That's why October 7th happened. Just two years.

[Nick Fuentes]

You're talking about the post 2007 when Israel increased their security borders. I wasn't in 2000.

[Palestinian American]

It's very mild, gentle, polite. Increased security. It's a siege. It's embargo. It's open air prison.

[Nick Fuentes]

All right, okay, so let me ask you and then wait, but I have to ask you why they didn't do it in 2005. Why was it 2007 before? I know you don't want to answer this question.

[Palestinian American]

Two years before October 7th it happened. I'm not running away. I'm finishing my point.

[Nick Fuentes]

Two years for October 7th. There was a peaceful march, they were

[Palestinian American]

killed and they're massacred.

[Nick Fuentes]

Great. So my question to you, so since you said it, you said in 2007 is when started Israel left in 2005. Why didn't they do a siege in 2005 or 2006 or even part of 2007?

[Palestinian American]

Why wasn't happened right after Hamas won the elections?

[Nick Fuentes]

Nope, that was January 2006. That's incorrect.

[Palestinian American]

No, it's a buildup. It doesn't happen in moment, just.

[Nick Fuentes]

It was after the coup, actually. And then Hamas came in, they slaughtered hundreds of Palestinians, threw some of them off the roof. They even on live tv killed one of them.

[Christian Commentator]

I'm almost done.

[Nick Fuentes]

I. I'm almost done.

[Moderator]

So.

[Nick Fuentes]

So that was in January 2006, was the election. Election. Immediately started launching rockets into Israel. Actually even during the election. Then they did a coup, forcefully took control, kicked off Fatah. Where Fatah and Israel actually in Mississippi. Signed A, an agreement together to aim for peace. Hamas international recognition. They pulled out of the internationally recognized also accords which didn't incorporate Gaza too. And then Egypt and Israel came to an agreement to. Actually Egypt had already kind of shut down their borders. Israel still had kind of checkpoints to go in and out. As you know, agree. Egypt was already shutting it from 2005, but they increased the security because a terrorist organization was elected in and instead of having the unity government, they killed the Palestinians that were part of that government and they take it over with the coup.

[Military Veteran]

Got it.

[Palestinian American]

You know this practice, right? Very simple. What number is this from your side?

[Nick Fuentes]

I. I know this argument. I love this argument. It's a six. You're going to say it's a nine. From my point of view, I'm trying

[Palestinian American]

to give you the benefit. No, I'm trying to give the benefit of the doubt. Because while I'm sitting and you're saying all these things, and in my mind I was like, man, this guy's lying. This guy's just false. Spreading false information right and left. Because from my perspective, I see it from a different perspective. I see it completely different. Completely the opposite of what you're saying.

[Pro-Palestinian Activist]

Agreed.

[Palestinian American]

So I'm trying to give you the benefit of the doubt here. I'm trying. Maybe we're having different perspectives. Maybe what you've seen it from your perspective as a pro Israel Christian American, and from my perspective as a Palestinian. I'm.

[Nick Fuentes]

I'm sorry. It's okay.

[Palestinian American]

Pro Israeli American. And I am, as an American, Palestinian. We do have different perspectives. And if we always argue and I'm trying to maybe step down from my high horse right now and say, maybe there's a way that we can reach an agreement. Say, you know what, let's look at our perspectives. And I've been listening to you talking for the past three, four hours. And I'm telling you I'm trying to make some sense out of what you're saying. Because for me, as a Palestinian American, it does not make sense. Is this guy really lying? Is this guy really paid to promote falsehood or is he just really believe this?

[Nick Fuentes]

Okay, I'm gonna. I'm answer this. I do like this and I agree with you. We have different perspectives. Every individual in here has a different perspective. And we are biased in our own ways. There's nothing wrong with necessarily being biased as long as you can bring facts to the table. That number right there, I see a six, you see a nine. What did you write when you wrote it?

[Palestinian American]

I wrote A nine.

[Nick Fuentes]

The answer is nine. Facts matter. There is something we have to look at. So right now I see a six. But wait, hold on, let me finish this. Forget a second, let me finish this. Okay, I see a 6. If I am going to be close minded, what I'll do is this. And just look at just the six. But what I can do is use context. Well, wait a minute. That was written by him and so I have to look, his pen's right there. So I use context to determine. Nick, that's a nine, not a six. You're avoiding that.

[Palestinian American]

I'm not avoiding that. I'm trying to tell you that I lived on the land. I'm part of that world. Big different perspective from someone who is miles, thousands of miles away. And look at it from the Internet and the social media and the TV and the books and the articles that you're reading.

[Nick Fuentes]

By that logic, do Israelis who live on the land have more of a right to speak on it than Palestinians who have never born on that land and haven't even gone there?

[Palestinian American]

Possibly. Okay, because it's a, because they lived it. It's a lived experience. A palace. An Israeli who lost a child in a bomb.

[Nick Fuentes]

No, not even lost a child. Just lives there has.

[Palestinian American]

I'm telling you, I feel for them. I understand where they're coming from. The last thing we want to see is more kids being killed and bombed right on both sides of the borders. Okay, but if we keep promoting the way that you're talking, the way you're spreading things, the way you what have

[Nick Fuentes]

honest said other than I want the war to stop, I want there to be people, peace. I said, I even said that the Palestinians didn't have a right, the rights given to them by the Arabs who, who usurped them.

[Palestinian American]

You are, from my perspective, you're promoting a very Israeli propaganda narrative. You are promoting something that we, the, the people in the Middle east at large, they see it completely in factual.

[Nick Fuentes]

We see you guys are under operation Sig from the Soviets. This is, this is known.

[Palestinian American]

This is because we lived it. Because we said side. Because we've been doing this for the, we've been dealing with this for the past 75 years.

[Nick Fuentes]

Mahmoud Abbas being a KGB asset to Yasser Arafat, being a KGB asset, they told specifically.

[Palestinian American]

I'm talking about the individual people. I'm talking about people.

[Nick Fuentes]

It did affect the individual people.

[Palestinian American]

I'm talking about how we deal with Israeli soldiers and checkpoints.

[Nick Fuentes]

I am talking about the individual.

[Palestinian American]

No, you're talking about some political upper

[Nick Fuentes]

level that literally targeted the individual people in the Muslim world, in the Middle east, and even abroad.

[Palestinian American]

So if you are arguing for the sake of argument, and you're arguing just for the sake of scoring points, I'm telling you what you're doing and maybe double your age. Listen to me. What you're doing right now is just more. Pouring more gasoline on the fire. You're promoting more hate. If you're genuine about trying to solve the problem, if you're genuine about trying to bring peace to the land that we all love, then you have to reconsider the way that you're talking about.

[Nick Fuentes]

What did I say that was hateful?

[Palestinian American]

It's intense.

[Nick Fuentes]

Be specific.

[Palestinian American]

When you say Palestine is called culture is violent. You cannot trust them.

[Nick Fuentes]

You said so many words today, you could not.

[Palestinian American]

I can look at the record.

[Nick Fuentes]

You can look at the recording. I did say that. Their culture and contemporary ties and what?

[Palestinian American]

They're very hateful. Very offensive.

[Nick Fuentes]

Yes.

[Palestinian American]

Very racist.

[Nick Fuentes]

Okay, okay, listen. Offensive, sure. Because you choose to be offended. I choose to be offended. That's. That's on you.

[Palestinian American]

No one choose to be offended.

[Nick Fuentes]

Yes, they do. Yes, they do. I have been insulted by multiple people here today, and I have no problem with it. I could choose because you have.

[Palestinian American]

Have a skin. You have the ability to do. But when you're talking to someone who lost a child, someone who lost a cousin, someone who lost a house.

[Pro-Palestinian Activist]

Different.

[Nick Fuentes]

We're not talking about. You said offensive. I agree with you. That is awful. I don't want that to happen. Whether they're brown, black, white, Muslim, Jew. I don't. I'm gonna make it clear once again, I do not want that to happen. I believe that the rhetoric of the. The rhetoric of the status quo and keeping that is leading to the suffering of both Israelis and Palestinians. I want to pull away from that. Maybe I'm wrong, but my intent is there.

[Palestinian American]

You have. You have an amazing skill in memorizing dates and information and fast and going fast and pushing it and throwing it at your opponent.

[Christian Commentator]

They're important.

[Palestinian American]

You shook the floor under everyone who sat down and talked with you today. You're very well trained, and I see that. What I'm trying.

[Nick Fuentes]

I just did research.

[Palestinian American]

What's wrong with that?

[Pro-Palestinian Activist]

Because you're.

[Nick Fuentes]

Do you think I'm like, an Israeli asset? Like, the Israeli picked me up and trained me?

[Palestinian American]

I did not say that.

[Nick Fuentes]

Maybe I misunderstood what you meant by train.

[Palestinian American]

No, I meant you did that for so many times, right? I mean, hundreds of debates, hundreds of shows, People talk to you.

[Christian Commentator]

You've been.

[Palestinian American]

You already had an answer for this right away when I talked to you about it because you did see this before and you prepared the answer for this before.

[Nick Fuentes]

I've never seen that specifically by you.

[Palestinian American]

Never seen nine argument.

[Nick Fuentes]

Yeah, like on a meme on Facebook many years ago. But not. Yeah, because it logically makes sense what I said. That's how my brain was.

[Palestinian American]

And you did that before. So what I'm trying to tell you, you have this talent, you have this skill, this ability, and you can make a difference in this world with this talent. But the route that you're taking and the approach that you're taking and the side of the narrative that you chose to keep pushing for and defend.

[Nick Fuentes]

What route should I take?

[Palestinian American]

You are taking complete pro Israeli narrative, pro Israeli route that you are disregarding.

[Nick Fuentes]

What should I take?

[Palestinian American]

I would say as an American, we have a role. We have an advertisement.

[Nick Fuentes]

The guy with the unique talent that you just said. What should I take?

[Palestinian American]

I would say a middle ground, a role that you can.

[Nick Fuentes]

Even if I do my research that you said I was very well trained in, even if I do that, I have to go against my values. I would say better people.

[Palestinian American]

No, not for me.

[Christian Commentator]

Okay?

[Military Veteran]

I'm not.

[Palestinian American]

I'm better for the cause.

[Nick Fuentes]

If the more the actual side to be middle ground or even pro Palestinian, I would be. I read. Let me give you a little bit of history about me. When I started talking about this and did like, like a crazy amount of research.

[Pro-Palestinian Activist]

Okay.

[Nick Fuentes]

I started with a Zionist book. It was called Arab Israeli wars by Chaim Herzog. I went to Elan Pape, Edward Said and Benny Morris, Constantine Zarake Khalidi. I. I read all of them. Alan Dershowitz and even Pape Israeli person

[Palestinian American]

who speaks so fairly about what's happening and you still did not see any fairness and truth in it.

[Nick Fuentes]

So I did the same thing with his book or 10 myths, I think it's called of Israel. I read his book. I did the exact same thing with his that I did with Alan Dershowitz. I looked at their sources, I pulled them up and then I tried to track it to primary sources. Sometimes it would take weeks to find one thing. I had to call the British government to get almost done to get one piece of paper to prove something Alan Dershowitz said. And it turned out he was. He ended up being correct and a lot of the stuff ended up debunking other pro Paley books and ended up being books.

[Palestinian American]

Why don't you talk to the people Lautong is Really? Soldiers who create an organization called Breaking the Silence.

[Nick Fuentes]

I have talked with them, I've talked to jv.

[Palestinian American]

We still completely cannot see what they're talking about.

[Nick Fuentes]

So from your point of view of what you think I'm saying, you think I'm saying things I'm not. You even admitted you said, well, you're implying this and implying that. So you are finding a hard time thinking that. I actually have talked to them and I have connected with these people. I know you think I'm not emotional because we're having a debate and I want this to be about moving forward with facts and statistics. But I have talked with people with cry you both sides.

[Palestinian American]

You have listen, I've gone to Bethlehem. We all know the statement that we want watch in Spider man movie. With great powers comes great responsibilities. If you have such a great following, if you have such a great people who are listening to you and influenced by your thoughts, by influenced by your thoughts, you have the response not only to, to, to read.

[Nick Fuentes]

I go where the facts take me every single time. That's why I also criticize Ben Gavir because the facts are that he's a jackass. It's the same thing. If I was totally pro Israel, wouldn't I be defending him? I go in the facts take me. You guys have the facts. Then convince me. You guys have not convinced me.

[Palestinian American]

What's his name? Brian Manwell said a few days ago, he said if you ask all American Jews who do they prefer, who would they vote for more, Mamdani or Netanyahu? They would choose Mamdani. Mamdani is more popular among American Jews more than Netanyahu. I'll tell you what, all these Americans are pro Israelis. I'm not saying that the fact that you are a pro Israeli destiny, that you are criticizing one of their lunatics, crazy ministers like Ben Gavir. That doesn't make you a more fair

[Nick Fuentes]

minded saying they're pro Israelis because they're American Jews.

[Palestinian American]

I'm saying there's so many pro Israelis who want the peace and prosperity for the Israeli people.

[Nick Fuentes]

I'm talking about the Mamdani example. How do you know those were pro Israelis that answered that ways?

[Palestinian American]

Yeah, what's wrong with that? Okay, okay, final point, final point is that we are talking about when did this happen? This is a buildup of constant oppression, brutal occupation, killing. And that's why we had October 7th. It did not just start on crucial as you said. And we cannot just keep going back 3,000 years and say because of that happening, this is happening. Right now we're talking about people who lost their fathers, people who lost their uncles, their older brothers.

[Nick Fuentes]

How do you think October 7th worked out for you? I don't know because I've never heard you speak. So I don't know what your opinion in on is. You're saying October 7th was for this reason. I obviously disagree. But regardless. How do you think it worked out?

[Palestinian American]

It was. What do you mean?

[Nick Fuentes]

Do you think it was a good idea?

[Palestinian American]

Absolutely not.

[Nick Fuentes]

Okay, so there's, there's scientific. I wish there was a lot more pro Palestinians like you because you are a minority.

[Palestinian American]

No, I'm not saying. I'm telling you that people when they are put under such severe pressure and severe conse. Circumstances, they can people they cannot think like me and you. They cannot be. When someone lost a father or why

[Nick Fuentes]

the Germans not come back with the fourth Reich? I don't know. They were bond way worse than Gaza. They were in internment camps of Germans. They were kicked out of Poland that they lived for hundreds and hundreds of years simply because they were German. They were ethnically cleansed. How come they didn't do it? How come they didn't come back?

[Palestinian American]

You ask them. That's not the right answer.

[Nick Fuentes]

You just said that. Oh, they're not normal people because they're Germans.

[Palestinian American]

No, there are exceptions for the, the rule. But I'm telling you normal situation. When you, I give you multiple examples. If you put atheists or any other religious group or any other ethnicity in the same situation of the people of Gaza, you will have the same outcome regardless. Because this is a different situation. This is not just someone killed people for a year and left out. This is constant 15, 16 years of brutal treatment. Eventually they'll explode and that's what happened.

[Nick Fuentes]

Yeah. And it doesn't work then that's not the point. And it's going to lead to more suffering. Absolutely. And so. But the suffering leads to a different approach in the future. Then maybe the suffering is good. If it doesn't, then the suffering is not good.

[Palestinian American]

No, suffering is never good.

[Nick Fuentes]

Suffering is never good in an immediate position.

[Palestinian American]

When you hear a father or a daughter or a mother who lost their baby because of this atrocities, that's awful.

[Nick Fuentes]

That is awful.

[Palestinian American]

Why I say it's good.

[Nick Fuentes]

I didn't say that was good. I said a collective idea. Right. If the suffering leads to.

[Palestinian American]

It's far in the memory of people.

[Nick Fuentes]

If a suffering really hard to go away. The suffering leads to a people to say to stop doing this extremist attack, even the one that you Said was not a good idea, then it will save countless lives in the future. But if they continue and they teach that one second. They teach their child to do the same thing that your father did on October 7th, they're going to die too.

[Palestinian American]

There's no. There is no normal human being who would teach their son or any son would accept that unless they are being really brutally mistreated. There has to be. Human nature does not.

[Nick Fuentes]

You really think That's a justification?

[Palestinian American]

100%.

[Nick Fuentes]

To teach children to kill the yahud? You really think that?

[Palestinian American]

Look at what the Israeli brutal. Look at what the Israelis are teaching their kids. Kill the Arabs.

[Nick Fuentes]

What are they teaching?

[Palestinian American]

Kill the Arabs. Kill the Arabs all the time.

[Christian Commentator]

There.

[Nick Fuentes]

There is official.

[Palestinian American]

There is.

[Nick Fuentes]

There is an official TV channel in Gaza. The far. I'm sure you know who is it is right. The tomorrow's pioneers that taught them. Hold on. Taught them with M. That taught children one second. That taught their children to not kill Zionists or Israelis kill Jews. That was an official programming. This wasn't individual.

[Palestinian American]

This is where you don't understand the culture. The word yahud in the Middle East.

[Nick Fuentes]

I know, I've heard of.

[Liberal Analyst]

You heard it. You've heard.

[Palestinian American]

So believe.

[Nick Fuentes]

Yes, I know what you guys mean. Okay, fine, I'll start saying Muslims and Arabs and then if you call me out on it, I'll be like, that's just what I say.

[Palestinian American]

I don't mean I'm able to correct you on that.

[Nick Fuentes]

No, that's just what I say. I don't actually.

[Palestinian American]

That's what you mean. You just said it all the time. I mean Islamist, not Muslims. Oh, I'll take your word for that.

[Nick Fuentes]

Islamist terrorism.

[Palestinian American]

I'll take your word for that. So you don't mean all Muslims, right? So, so that's. That's, that's what I'm.

[Nick Fuentes]

So when you say Jews, you just mean Zionist guys, not me. What talking about what do you call anti Zionist Jews in Arabic?

[Palestinian American]

Anti Zionist Jews.

[Nick Fuentes]

Yeah, but what do you call them just individually? Yehud. Right, Correct.

[Palestinian American]

But.

[Nick Fuentes]

But I thought it was just for Zionists. If they're an anti Zionist Jew, I would say 75.

[Palestinian American]

The word. The word Jews in the Middle east means the Israeli army. That's what people refer to.

[Nick Fuentes]

Gotcha. But if the Zionist Jew. You still say Jew.

[Palestinian American]

We try to correct it. We try. As an American, it's different. But when I go there and I try to correct the people saying, listen, stop using the word yehud or Jews because we are not referring. We are Being misunderstood. When you keep using that word to refer to the army because that's how it is.

[Nick Fuentes]

That's.

[Palestinian American]

You have to understand the culture.

[Nick Fuentes]

If you use that word for anyone that's not in the army too, if they're a Jew, they use the same word. You're not convincing when you heard the argument, if it really was just IDF soldiers that they said you would convince them, like fair enough. But they don't say it to just ID soldiers.

[Palestinian American]

They don't mean when they see that and is an American Jew or a European Jew, they just mean to those

[Nick Fuentes]

who are Jews in Israel, not the

[Palestinian American]

Jews in Israel, even the Druze, we refer that to them.

[Nick Fuentes]

Thanks for watching all the way to the end, guys. Please hit like and subscribe. It helps us grow the show and helps us get bigger guests. Thank you so much.

[Liberal Analyst]

The previous guy left. For the record, the Holocaust happened. We can agree on that.

[Christian Commentator]

Okay.

[Liberal Analyst]

I'm not shaking hand to applaud the concept of the Holocaust. Disagreeing that.

[Nick Fuentes]

I know, I know what you're saying and yeah, I think it's insane. There's a lot of pro Palestinians that utter that unfortunately. And it's not shut down immediately.

[Liberal Analyst]

Yeah, well, I mean, so to the, to the question, you were the first

[Nick Fuentes]

one to actually say that.

[Liberal Analyst]

I think most people, everyone else agrees the Holocaust act. We hope so. But to get to the point of like where the conflict started and, and pretty much actually most people here I think said they agreed with you that it started before in 1948. If you go back far enough, you know, 2,000 years to Jews establishing a historic homeland. I'm just, I want to more than happy think of more like forward looking. And I think sometimes the example of these were two African nations arguing over restrictions.

[Nick Fuentes]

Can I tell you why on top of what I told the last guy was up here, I want to tell you also another reason I kind of put this up here is because with the minimization of Jewish oppression in and even Christian oppression as well in these lands, including even if we're just talking about Jordan river to the Mediterranean Sea, but even the surrounding areas, there is an extreme amount of minimization of the oppression. Oppression. Oh, that was isolated. Oh, that wasn't that. That didn't really happen. Oh, that was actually Israelis. Oh, that was because it's insane when I talk about the 850,000 Jews are ethnically cleansed out of the areas just at the founding of Israel that many of them, not all of them, but many of them went to Israel because that was the only safety they had. How many times I get told, oh, that was actually just Israel that did all that. Like, it's, it's too much. And so that's why I also put that in the Hebron master massacre. It was 67 or 69. There's two different sources. That Jews were killed at a hostel, a hostel built by Jews that were supposed to be for Arabs and Jews.

[Christian Commentator]

Right.

[Nick Fuentes]

Because they were trying to build bridges. The Jews were. And Arabs went in, in the middle of the night while they were sleeping and slaughtered children, women and men in their sleep. And when I bring this up, that was just an isolated incident. Yep.

[Liberal Analyst]

And I think that at least what you can say is that I think at least most Westerners, if you told them that, you know, a lot of people in, say, Saudi Arabia have bigoted attitud attitudes toward Jews, most people would not be surprised by that. They'd be like, okay, I understand there's some progressive people there, but I believe that. I think there's an under appre. I think there's an underappreciation of the extent to which the mirror image of that exists in Israel to the point that I was talking about before the surveys of people added of people's attitudes there to compare to the Hebron massacre. You're probably aware Ben GVIR had a portrait of Baruch Goldstein, the guy who shot up the mosque. He had it on his wall. Yes, you said, I understand.

[Nick Fuentes]

I have to say, I don't like Ben GVIR and Baruch Goldstein, who you're talking about. That's the portrait. He was a terrorist. He deserved what he got. The Palestinians pretty much ripped him to shreds.

[Christian Commentator]

Good.

[Nick Fuentes]

He was a terrorist. I don't know how many times I had to say that.

[Liberal Analyst]

I understand, but Ben Gvir is in the Israeli government 100%. And I don't think. Okay, but I don't think that a lot of Americans know that. But the sign I take to process, it literally says, google Ben gvir. It's one foot letter high. Letters high. That's the entire sign. I want people to go and look that up. Because I think that I don't even

[Nick Fuentes]

believe whether we're talking about American government or any government, including Israel's, I don't believe. Look, if you have your beliefs, you have your beliefs. I'd rather not be extreme extremists, left or right. But I also believe that you should have your beliefs. But on an individual level, yes, he should not be, especially with how much he says he does. I think he does it for his constituents. When he says stuff like we should burn all of Lebanon and a thousand mothers in Lebanon. It's disgusting, dude. And it doesn't do Israel any good at all because they just apply to all Israelis instead of just you. And so yeah, I'm with you that BB should do something about that. But maybe he's trapped because of the way the bullshit parliamentary system works.

[Liberal Analyst]

And I believe it would be a horrible thing for a person to assume that all Israeli are all Jews feel that way. But going back to the surveys of attitudes of Israeli Jews in Israel that I was talking about before, one of the third thing I mentioned, not just that 50% want all Arabs removed from say from Israel. 50%, just shy of 50% agreed with the statement then when Israel conquers a state city, they should kill all of its inhabitants.

[Nick Fuentes]

Yeah, I know that one. That's actually you should look into and I hope you do look into how they answer that question or ask the question versus how they put it on the headlines. The way they asked that question was they went to, and it was mostly religious Jews. They went to them and they said, hey, do you think Jews should act like it says? And like they did. I think it was Jericho was the example. Yeah, it was okay. Yeah. And so they asked them that. It's, it's disingenuous. I'll tell you, tell you why, because if you go to Muslims, Christians or Jews and you ask it like that, regardless for Muslims, obviously something from the Quran you're gonna get. In fact, I'm surprised It's less than 50. You're gonna get a lot that say yes. But if you kind of add the context of like, you know, hey, you know, would you slaughter all of these people? You're probably going to get more no's. Now if it's still at what was it you said? 47.

[Liberal Analyst]

Well, okay, let me, let me address that exact point. There was a, and I was desperately trying to find this on my phone a second ago, trying to look this up, but there was a professor who did a study of school age children, Israeli Jews and asked them basically the same question. And a majority of them specifically agreed with statements about conquering a city and killing all of its inhabitants. And even a biblical perspective that happens. But they were drilling down very specific. It wasn't simply like, you know, should they be like Joshua? They were specifically. And the written answers from the children reference the act of killing the. Not me personally. I mean agnostic Ish. Well, agnostic implies the ish. But if you do, do you think

[Nick Fuentes]

it's fair that if you were go to Christian or Muslim and in the context of talking about religion, even if you do get specific on the actions in the Bible slash the Quran, do you think it's weird that that whether it's religious kids or adults would say yes to that? And then you take that and so let's say it was with Muslims, right? You take that, they say yes, of course I agree with the Quran. And then you take that and I make a headline that goes blank. Percentage of Muslim, American Muslims think you should, you know, kill every polytheist and you know, chop their, or strike at their necks and their fingers until they submit and pay the jizio, which is actually a Quranic verse like that would be disingenuous. Now I don't know which kids were asked. I assume it might have been maybe a religious group. I could be wrong. I'll look into it, but I just think it's a little disingenuous.

[Liberal Analyst]

Well, I mean one of the findings in, in the, in the study was that these answers do vary based on the secular versus religious nature of the. I mean, but I think that what

[Nick Fuentes]

we should aspire to is dehumanize Israelis. I do. Because if you can put in there and just say like 50 of them want to act like Joshua to Palestinians and slaughter them and slice their throats, then it's very easy to, well, dehumanize them. And it's very easy to look at things like October 7th and be like, well, you know, they had it coming to them.

[Liberal Analyst]

Well, 50% of them agreed with the statement about removing all Arabs from the state of Israel. That's not directly. That wasn't asking. Do you agree with behaving like a specific religious figure about how that actually

[Nick Fuentes]

targeted more towards the religious community? And there were some that actually came out after that were pro two state solution. And so it wasn't, they weren't saying it from a point of view like I hate Arabs, I want them out. It was like, if there's a two state solution, I'd rather them be in their land, us on our land and vice versa. You know, so I don't think that's really weird. If an Arab were to say I'm pro two state solution to Palestinian, I'm pro two state solution and the Jews go live in Israel, sorry, Jews go live in Israel and we live in ours. Is that problematic?

[Liberal Analyst]

If they were saying that the Israelis should be forced out of the Arab two state of the two states, I

[Nick Fuentes]

would Say I would say yes, that I, I, that's, I think that's about the West Bank.

[Liberal Analyst]

That's an option. But I would not agree with removing people based on their ethnicity.

[Nick Fuentes]

Solution will never happen because if you don't agree, there's about 700, some say 550,000 to 700,000 Jews living in the West Bank. So if you don't agree with pushing them out, the only other option then is they live in Palestine, I guess.

[Liberal Analyst]

But that's not about whether they're Jewish. It's about the, the way in which, which they acquired that housing. I'm talking about the surveys where Israel Israeli Jews. Well, Israeli Jews say that regardless if an Arab was born into Israel proper, that they, 50% say that they want all Arab citizens removed regardless of how long they've lived.

[Nick Fuentes]

Yeah, I read your ancestry. I'm just repeating it.

[Liberal Analyst]

Okay. I mean, but do you understand that is that meets the technical definition of ethnic cleansing? People get confused between ethnic cleansing versus genocide. Genocide involve killing. Ethnic cleansing.

[Nick Fuentes]

Cleansing. Is that illegal?

[Liberal Analyst]

You could call it ethnic cleansing.

[Nick Fuentes]

Light ethnic cleansing illegal per international law.

[Liberal Analyst]

I, I believe yes.

[Nick Fuentes]

No, no, no.

[Liberal Analyst]

Okay.

[Nick Fuentes]

In actions. Well, definitely cleansing. How you do it. Like if the way you ethnically cleanse is by shooting them all in the leg till they're crawling across the border, then yeah, that'd be illegal. But it's because of the actions we

[Liberal Analyst]

should be able to agree it was illegal.

[Nick Fuentes]

You understand that the Jews are ethnically cleansed out of God Gaza. Do you think that was?

[Liberal Analyst]

I, I've also said I'm not defending what groups like Hamas have done either.

[Nick Fuentes]

When they controlled the west bank Jordan in 1952, put in their law specifically not knows Israelis, no Zionists. It said no Jews. Now the last guy said Jews just means Zionists. So maybe that's what they meant, I don't know. But they said no Jews and they ethnically cleansed all of the Jews out of Judea and Samaria.

[Liberal Analyst]

But this, this goes back to what I'm saying. I think that the average American American knows that those racist attitudes exist in countries like Jordan and Saudi Arabia. But we, we think, we think this

[Nick Fuentes]

a little race we expected. Why, why should we treat Muslims any different than any other thing? In fact, ironically, you guys are the ones kind of being Islamophobic because you see them and you're like, well, we expect it from them. Is that not a bigotry of low expectation?

[Liberal Analyst]

No, no, I don't expect, I think it's bad. But I think we are aware that Those acts attitudes exist. We do not condone it, but we

[Nick Fuentes]

are aware that there's a lot the same as anyone else.

[Liberal Analyst]

We should be very critical of the human rights and religious discrimination situation in Saudi Arabia. But I'm saying that most Americans are not aware of the extent of the prejudice that exists in Israel. I mean you who've memorized more facts on this topic than almost everybody I've ever met, you were quite surprised that 50% of Israeli Jews. I wasn't that they should that because

[Nick Fuentes]

it's not that they agree with removing

[Liberal Analyst]

Arabs from the state of Israel. So on the break as well, I looked up more information about this study. The author Dalia Sheinlein, she said that she talked to the professor Tamir Sorek and he said that he released all of his raw data, all of the original questions.

[Nick Fuentes]

Yeah, that. Still looking for it.

[Liberal Analyst]

I would, I would invite you to. Have you tried contacting him?

[Nick Fuentes]

He emailed him. No answer.

[Liberal Analyst]

Well, what, what about D?

[Nick Fuentes]

No. And that's why I wrote it down. This is the only thing I thought you guys were going to make me write a lot of stuff down. I didn't write anything down, but I did write that down and I will, I will absolutely. I'm glad you gave me that. That's okay.

[Liberal Analyst]

I mean there, there are lots of isolated facts like you know, even to this day the fact that Jews and Muslims cannot legally get married in Israel, you're, you're probably aware of that, right? And I mean we don't talk about that much because of the.

[Nick Fuentes]

It's not again we're moving extreme amount of context. So Israel does, does not have like these prior marriages. And also even in the Muslim communities they also, they have to go through a lot. In the Christian communities there's just not as many Christians. They have to go through a lot to determine that. But they don't have these marriages that are outside of the state. They have a religious, religious marriages that go through the chief Ravenet. Okay. I'd expect the same thing with Muslims in their areas. And if Christians want to do it, same thing. That's not hate. Okay. Okay, that's. Now I get it, you're not religious. But if you were going to hate on that then you should start then you would have to call out Muslims for doing it, have to call Christians for doing it. But you can get married and they will recognize it. They just don't do it because they don't have marriages like we have in America. Right. They have, they go through their chief rabinates through the government.

[Liberal Analyst]

And I understand there's a workaround, but if, if, like, Rhode island, stuff like

[Nick Fuentes]

this and, and the average person hears it, they go, they. You know what it sounds like? Oh, they don't allow them to marry Muslims. They don't even recognize that. And it's like, no. Know, there's a lot more context to this that you're leaving out. I'm not saying you're purposely living out. Maybe you just didn't know. But when you say stuff like that, that's why there's a lot of propaganda against Israel, because context. You might still not agree with Israel, but the context lightens it a significant amount.

[Liberal Analyst]

I mean, if you're saying that it's. It's the rabbis choosing not to do it, fine, but it's still. I mean, it doesn't change the fact that this is a society where Jews and Muslims cannot get married in the country. And that should cause people to rethink what they must.

[Nick Fuentes]

Communities also sometimes block that, too. Is that pro. Yes. I'm saying follow the religion. What are you talking about? Like, like you're, you're trying to. Listen, I get it. You're not religious. But if they want to do that, it's not coming from a place of hate.

[Christian Commentator]

That's.

[Nick Fuentes]

That's their belief, dude.

[Liberal Analyst]

Well, I mean, there's. There's a lot of racial and religious big or simply believing in separation. That doesn't fall under the category of literal hate because the people. People don't have. Or they aren't filled with visceral hatred the way we would normally mean the word. But it's still.

[Nick Fuentes]

It's still classified as hate and hate singular standard. Right? On just Israel. And you say, well, Israel did that. Israel did this. And you. And specifically the Jews. Right, because that's who you were talking about. And you ignore that. The Muslims also do that. Christian communities also do that when they do it. Yeah, but you only agree because I'm calling you out on the hypocrisy. But when you bring it up, it's just like, well, here's my next talking point. You know, Israel also doesn't allow. Oh, you mean like in a lot of. Of religious sex and a lot of religious communities, especially statewide Saudi Arabia. Like, I, I get you're not a. I get you're not for it. And that's fine.

[Liberal Analyst]

You're.

[Nick Fuentes]

You said you're an atheist. Agnostic.

[Liberal Analyst]

Agnostic. But the first thing I, the first thing I said was that I, I think it's also horrible that a High percentage of the population of, say, Saudi Arabia holds these attitudes too, in, in the reverse.

[Nick Fuentes]

But I think the average Saudi Arabia, I don't agree with. But, but that's. No, dude, they're Muslims. That's their religion. If they want to have no churches in Saudi Arabia, I, I don't see a problem with that. That's their holy land. That's where they're at. Do I like that on a personal level? No. I wish I would just get along. I don't mind. When I'm in Israel, I hear the call to prayer. You have churches, you have synagogues. But that's, there's a lot of things to criticize Saudi Arabia on. I'm not going to criticize them on being Muslim and wanting their country to be that.

[Liberal Analyst]

Well, final point, I would strongly disagree with their statement that they have a moral right to ban churches or synagogues. I think a human rights violation, it's not as severe as the ones that involve directly persecuting and killing people. But what I'm saying is it wasn't the, the legalistic of whether these institutions are allowed there. I'm saying Westerners are aware of the attitudes among the population of Saudi Arabia, the anti Semitic prejudice there. People are not as aware of the, of the similar prejudice in Israel against Arabs. Even to the point of a majority of people, they're literally saying they want Arabs expelled from the country.

[Nick Fuentes]

I just want to ask real quick, you said that they don't have, like, it's not ethical or human rights to ban churches, synagogues. Should they have the right to ban non Muslims from Mecca? I mean, they do. Just so you know, non Muslims are not allowed to go in there in that specific spot.

[Liberal Analyst]

I, I would say that that's still, that still counts as a human rights violation. It's not as egregious because you have a place where 99% of the people who want to go there are Muslims. But that's not the same as just trying to live in Israel as a

[Nick Fuentes]

regular persons are like, I want to build a church next to the Kaaba. Do you think they should be. You think it's a human rights violation for them to say no?

[Liberal Analyst]

I mean, I, I think that is, I'm saying yes, but it's, it's less, it's less severe. It's less severe when 99% of people want to go there are Muslims.

[Nick Fuentes]

Final statement for both of you and we'll end things. I said all, you're all good. All right, guys, check out everyone's social media handles. Thanks for everyone's time.

[Moderator]

Peace.

[Nick Fuentes]

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