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10,000 Steps a Day Could Cut Alzheimer’s Risk in Half | Robert Love | DSH #1853
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Treatment for Alzheimer's is expensive and doesn't work for everybody. The real headline should have been, treatment for Alzheimer's is extremely effective and a lot less expensive than prescription drugs because it works for 7 out of 10 people. But the headline said it barely works for anybody. So the headline is very deceptive, which is very unfortunate because as you know, so much media is sponsored by big Pharma. Big Pharma is probably telling big news agencies, please don't publish data on how exercise helps your brain, because that's not what they want.
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Okay, guys, we're here at a 4M, day two here with Dr. Robert Love. And you would label yourself an Alzheimer's expert, right? Yes. And that's what you're known for these days.
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Yes.
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Let's dive into it.
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Awesome.
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A lot of talk about it these days about potentially, I hate using the c word on YouTube, but treating Alzheimer's and it's promising, right?
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So the science about Alzheimer's is changing. When my grandfather was diagnosed with Alzheimer's when I was well, he wasn't diagnosed then, but he died when I was about in first grade. They just thought Alzheimer's was genetic. And that's been the thought around Alzheimer's up until very, very recently. And now we know data from the past 10 years shows that there are many things that we can do to prevent Alzheimer's disease, reduce the risk of Alzheimer's and even reverse Alzheimer's disease. I want to cite the work of Dr. Dale Bredesen, a medical doctor from UCLA. He was one of the very first doctors to reverse Alzheimer's in his practice and then publish the data. And then most recently, Dr. Heather Sanderson, who's a naturopathic doctor from San Diego, she did a clinical trial actually during COVID and she had a clinical trial where she did no drugs. So there's no prescription drugs. It was just diet, exercise, lifestyle, sauna, red light therapy, and then brain exercises. She reversed memory loss in patients with Alzheimer's during COVID when you couldn't go outside and couldn't see your family. So that was really tremendous. So the science is very clear. Alzheimer's can be prevented and it can be reversed if you're willing to do certain things. Now, that doesn't mean everyone can get all the way better, and it doesn't mean everybody can get better. But right now we know the majority of people, 7 out of 10, 7 out of 10 people, the data show 7 out of 10 can improve their memory once they've been diagnosed with Alzheimer's if they're willing to engage in the important lifestyle behaviors.
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That's incredible. 7 out of 10.
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7 out of 10. And what's really disturbing, Sean, is that there was a New York Times article about this. And I was actually interviewed for the article. I was at Burning man at the time and I, you know.
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They interviewed you there.
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They interviewed me there. And I had to go somewhere so I could, so I could get on the phone. I was on the phone with a very nice woman for about an hour talking about the current science about Alzheimer's, about Dr. Dale Bredesen's work, about Dr. Heather Stanisid's study, how they reversed Alzheimer's. The article finally came out a couple months ago and it basically said the exact opposite. It said, treatment for Alzheimer's is expensive and doesn't work for everybody. The real headline should have been treatment for Alzheimer's is extremely effective and a lot less expensive than prescription drugs. That's because it works for 7 out of 10 people. But the headline said it doesn't work. It barely works for anybody. So the headline is very deceptive, which is very unfortunate because as you know, so much media is sponsored by Big Pharma. And so Big Pharma is probably telling big news agencies, please don't publish data on how exercise helps your brain. That's not what they want. Right? Just like any. They're just protecting their business, just like any business would. And so they don't want us doing exercise, they want us taking their drugs. And so it's really a shame that so many doctors get this wrong. So many doctors read the headlines and think there's nothing you can do and that the Alzheimer's prevention is a scam. And it's really not. It's just, it's just good science.
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What are the rates at these days? Are they at all time highs for getting Alzheimer's and dementia?
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The rates have been increasing, specifically in the United States, because we've been getting less healthy. The United States is one of the least. The United States has the worst health outcomes and we pay more per capita more per person for medicine than any other country. So we pay more and we have the worst health outcomes. That's crazy. That basically means the whole system's broken. Might as well just break the entire medical system and start from scratch and get some people together and say, okay, what's healthy for us? What's not healthy for us? Okay, let's start recommending this and not recommend this and, and we'll actually have a better healthcare system than what we have. Today, it's that bad. And you know, Covid didn't help because it increased anxiety and stress. Stress harms the brain. And Americans, 7 out of 10Americans are overweight or obese. And that number's been increasing. It's been increasing. Children. I'm terrified about that. I mean, what happens when half of Americans are diabetic because they grew up as obese children?
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Scary.
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The whole economy breaks, right? Because we're all going to be trying to help these poor people and they're not going to be able to work the way that they would. So because our health has been getting worse, Alzheimer's has been increasing. Because Alzheimer's is not just a disease of the brain. It's a disease related to our overall body health.
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A lot of people link it with gut health, right?
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Yes, very much so. There's really good research. Dr. David Perlmutter writes about this on Tomorrow. Oh, terrific. He's, he's, you know, there's a few people in science that are my heroes. He's, he's done a really tremendous, he's done a really tremendous job with the science, especially around, around gut health and Dr. Stephen Gundry as well. And so, yes, poor gut bacteria is related to poor brain health. What's good for your gut is good for your brain. And that's one of the reasons why so many prescription drugs or proton pump inhibitors or a lot of these interventions hurt our brain because they hurt our gut bacteria.
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Right. Antacids. I just found out yesterday too. I used to take Tums. I used to carry Tums with me everywhere.
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And so that was so interesting because they said you should take TUMS because it has calcium, whereas the other supplement, the other ones have magnesium. At the time we didn't understand how important magnesium is. So interesting. A magnesium deficiency is actually an risk factor for Alzheimer's disease. So TUMS is saying you should take calcium. You should take TUMS because it has calcium. No, you should actually take something else because it has magnesium. Because magnesium is so important for brain health.
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I take it almost every day. I take it for stress mainly, but I didn't know it helped with that.
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What, what kind of magnesium?
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It's the blue bottle. Pure encapsulations. I don't know. I think glyphosate.
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Is that glycinate?
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Glycinate, yeah.
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Glycinate is very good. Good for overall body. Well absorbed, doesn't upset the stomach. A magnesium threonate is really good. It's a smaller form of magnesium that can cross the blood brain barrier. It's a little bit more expensive, but that's shown to be really helpful for the brain.
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Maybe I'll switch to that one.
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You could do both. It's very hard to overdose on magnesium. Now. I'm not saying it's not impossible. I'm not saying, I'm not saying take the whole bottle. Um, but in general, if you're taking magnesium in a sensible way, it's very hard to overdose. Most seven out of ten are deficient in magnesium according to the usda.
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Yeah. Yeah. The biggest thing I'm battling with right now is stress mitigation. So I'm looking for supplements and methods for that stress.
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You're, you're a young guy, you're successful. What's, what's stressing you?
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I think just business life. You know, I like to work all day, so definitely work.
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Good for you. I love, I love to work.
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Yeah. I feel like most of my stress is work induced.
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Interesting. The thing that you love is causing you stress.
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It's like good and bad because I love doing it, but it's also, I feel like anytime you're in business, there's going to be some stress.
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Yeah. There's so much uncertainty. Right.
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Entrepreneurship.
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Absolutely. And what I found is if you, in order to grow as an entrepreneur, I really learned this from Tony Robbins. I just finished his State with Destiny program. Business mastery is great. If you want to grow your business, go to business. Mastery, Tony Robbins. It's awesome. And basically, if you're going to grow your business beyond a certain level, you need to be able to handle the level of stress at this level to get to this level. Right.
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Makes sense. Yeah.
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And so if you're going to grow your business, you actually need to be able to handle the level of stress here so you can move beyond that. Right. You to be able to solve all the problems here while still getting good sleep and staying healthy. So you can go out to here and then you get to this level until you then expand to here. Right. I mean, look at Mr. Beast. I mean, imagine how many different things he has going on.
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I just saw his setup behind the scenes on Beast Games. It was crazy.
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It's amazing.
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He's got.
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Imagine the stress he could have with all the different moving pieces. And he seems pretty chill.
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And appearances can be deceiving. I'll say that. I don't know his exact situation, but social media only portrays the highlights. But he does seem pretty.
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Are you getting your exercise or getting your sleep? Are you taking your supplements?
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Exercise as I'd like sleep. I'm doing decent. I'm averaging about 85 on the Whoop a night. Get that higher. I don't have blackout curtains, so I want to get that installed.
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Oh yeah, totally.
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Diet's pretty good.
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Sleep mask is really good too. Yeah, like the mindfold. I really like that one.
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I'll start using that.
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That one's been helpful. Especially if you travel. You travel a lot?
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At least once a month. Yeah.
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And so the lights. Notice lights in the hotel room that there's like blinking lights on the ceiling
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all over the place.
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What the hell is that?
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Yeah. What is that?
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Who thought of that? Let's have people buy a room to sleep in and have flashing lights on the ceiling all night. That's a. That's as bad as grade school. That starts when kids should be sleeping.
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Yeah.
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Or children should be sleeping at 7am they shouldn't be waking up to go to school. That's just dumb. Right. So either people who didn't understand the science or non smart people or non thoughtful people designed hotel rooms with flashing lights. And school that starts while children should be sleeping. Right. So you definitely want the sleep mask as you're traveling. Oh, it's something I saw on an Instagram video. If you get little like paperclips, like big paperclips, you can clip the curtains together. And so you know how it's hard to get the curtains to close to shut out the light. Yeah. So if you get giant, you know, the big honking paperclips that can hold the. The curtain. Yes, totally.
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Wow. Yeah. They should start school at like 9 or 10.
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Absolutely.
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The IQ would go up in the whole country.
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It did.
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Oh.
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So there's a study where. It's a great book called Nurture Shock. Nature Shock or Nurture Shock. And what they did was, in one of the studies they talked about in this book was that a town changed the start time of school to, I think, two hours later.
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So.
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So instead of 8:00am start at 10:00am SAT scores went up 100 points.
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Holy, that's a lot.
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And traffic accidents by teenagers went down by half.
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That makes sense. Cause they're not tired, of course.
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And they're. They're making better decisions. Right. Cause a lot of teenage car accidents are probably. I'm gonna race my friend, or I can do this, you know, I'll be reckless. But if they get better sleep, they actually might make better decisions. So less traffic accidents. Sat score up. Went up 100 points. What is that worth? I mean, that's the difference between getting to a. The level of college you get into
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could be Ivy League versus regular college.
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Exactly. Oh, my gosh. Right. Just. And just by changing the sleep. And so amazing that hasn't been instituted nationwide.
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Should be.
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I'm excited. I'm starting an A.I. school in Cincinnati, Ohio, hopefully in 2026. And we're starting at 10am so it's
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going to be a school just about A.I.
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no. Oh, pardon me. So if you're familiar with Alpha School. Alpha School? You're familiar with Alpha School?
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I heard of it.
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Were using their software.
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Okay. Is that Elon's or is that someone else?
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No, her name is Mackenzie Price.
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Oh, yeah, I've heard of this.
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I actually saw her at Tony Robbins. Business Mastery. She is extremely smart. Her ability to communicate the need for this new kind of school is really interesting. It was excellent. When I heard her talk, I thought, oh, my gosh, this woman is. She's going to crush it. And she already is. And so basically, Alpha School is an iPad where you go to school for two hours a day, learning things that regular kids learn in school. Math, science, history. But they learn what they. They. What they learn in two hours is what they learn in regular school in two days.
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No way.
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So two hours equals two days. But you only. You only have two hours a day. So you basically move twice as fast as kids in regular school. The rest of the time, you can study what you want. So my school is going to focus on health. Right? We're going to.
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So you get to choose that as.
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As the, as the, as. As the creator of the school. I get to choose the curriculum. So I'm going to go to the parents who enroll the school. Hey look, here's the deal. Your kids are going to be twice as smart as everybody else because. Because AI software teaches to their level and teaches to their interest and they're going to learn faster. Number two, your kids will be super healthy and they're going to be really happy. And that's what we're doing. Your kids are going to sleep in. They get really good sleep. They're going to learn about health and wellness. They're going to learn about their own psychology about how they can make themselves happy, live a fulfilling life, discover their life purpose. All this stuff.
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Sign me up.
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Yeah. Awesome.
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Absolutely. How could. It was amazing that our school system made something that's awesome as learning, as awesome as learning and made it not fun.
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Yeah, not. Not only not fun, not even like looking forward to it.
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Painful.
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Almost like you dread it.
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Like you don't want to go. Yeah, yeah.
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And that's a majority of students.
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And. And now we're drugging kids. Kids as little as five. I thought like, you know, my five year old kid has adhd. No, they don't They're a five year old. He won't sit still in school. Well, of course not. He's five. I don't like to sit still, still in school. I'm, I'm 43. I don't want to sit still.
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Did they try putting you on meds when you weren't.
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They did. Your parents thought my, my parents thought it was a good idea. I agreed to try it when I was a little kid. They said, hey, will you try, do you want to try this thing so you can do better in school? I said, sure. But once I started taking it, I said, hey, I don't like this. I don't want to keep taking this. And so what happened was my improvement, my grades in school improved, but my ability to socialize with my classmates went down.
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Right.
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And so I became kind of, kind of weird. I didn't understand socialization or emotional intelligence. I was just, that's just really smart.
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Xanax?
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Oh, no. For adhd I was on Rillin. I was on Rillin in middle school, high school, and then college. I was on Adderall.
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Got it.
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And so my emotional tolerance was very low and, and that was hard. And so I kind of didn't catch up until I really reduced the amount of ADHD drugs I take and started working on myself with self development and understanding posture and body language, non verbal communication and all and all these things. And I, so my, my development was, you know, stunted socially and I think it also probably reduced my height because I slept less and I didn't eat as much food because ADHD drugs reduce appetite and so forth. And so I, I don't recommend them, certainly not to young children because they're developing. Do we really want to give a medical intervention to a 5 year old?
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I mean, that's so young.
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Like you got to have really strong data to show that five year olds who take really become geniuses and nothing bad happens to them. For me to give my 5 year old a hardcore drug and really it's a hardcore drug. It's an amphetamine.
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It's intense.
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It's like if an adult takes it, they're like, whoa, I feel this. It's, it's a serious drug.
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I remember when I went to Rutgers, people loved Adderall there, especially around test season.
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Yes.
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They would get so excited to take it. I'm like, what is this? Yeah, I was like the outlier, not taking it.
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Really?
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Like more people were taking it than not.
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Oh my gosh.
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Yeah. I don't know if your university was
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Similar, but kids definitely wanted my Adderall, so I'll tell you that much. They'd be my friend. Like, hey, we're friends, right? Can I have some?
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Yeah, that's how it was, man. And I don't know if that's a product of the university just giving kids so many tests and they're stressed. It could be that too.
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And what's crazy is that the university system, which we just mentioned, is designed to have tests and stress. Well, what impairs learning, stress, stress. So the system that's set up to increase learning and ideally retention. Right. Actually, we retain the information so we can use it later, which I think is why we're supposed to go to school. The system is set up to impair learning and memory because of the high stress. Explain why this is a good idea and nobody does. And when I bring this up to teachers, they just kind of shrug and say, well, that's the system.
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And then kids are pulling all nighter,
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studying for these tests, and then they don't remember anything. It's not a. Not a very good use of four years of college. And then how much is it now? $400,000? Like 100 grand a year?
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Yeah, it's a lot. Crazy. Let's go back to Alzheimer's. Yeah, that's what you're known for. And what have you seen treatment wise, that's really effective these days.
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So I can go two routes to this one. I have a medical clinic. We're reversing Alzheimer's. So I can share that. And I can also just share some of the basic behaviors that are working. What would be most helpful?
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Sean, let's go down what people can do out of watching this, I think great.
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So. So anyone who's watching this, if you are, if you want to prevent Alzheimer's disease or you already seen early stage memory loss or brain fog, here are some of those important things to do. Number one is exercise. According to the Journal of the American Medical Association, 9,800 steps a day. So about 10,000 steps a day cuts the risk of Alzheimer's in half.
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Wow.
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So if you're over age 50, so you should be walking thousand, 10,000 steps a day, which is about two hours and. And ideally in nature. A research from a new book by Mark Bergman showed that walking in nature for 50 minutes, not being on your phone and not listening to your headset, but actually being in nature, improve cognitive function by 20%.
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Wow.
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By 20%. Basically one hour in nature. So get your steps in and ideally walk in nature without Talking on your phone without listening. Nothing. Just be in nature.
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AirPods.
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There's something, yeah, there's something really. He calls it gently fascinating. There's something gently fascinating about nature. We can just be in it all day and it's really good for the brain.
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I wonder if it's a frequency related thing or something.
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It's probably a lot of things. It's probably sound, smell, taste, it feels relaxing to our body, reduces stress. You know some people feel more connected to God or spirit versus you know, being inside in a square wall, a square square room with you know, artificial sounds and lights.
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Yeah, it could be an evolutionary brain thing. Right?
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Yeah. So many, so many things. So get outside in nature. Walking every day is where, where to start? Number two, if you're sedentary, if you don't exercise, start doing any form of exercise. That's the biggest benefit for people who are sedentary and still doing any sort of exercise, even just once a week makes a difference. And then one great form of exercise is resistance training. So weight, weight, weight training. Resistance training increases a growth factor in the brain called bdnf. Brain derived neurotrophic factor and that facilitates the growth of new brain cells, new neural connections and that is neuroprotective. So that protects against dementia and actually improves memory. Lion's mane, which is one of my favorite supplements that also increases bdnf. By the way, I have a lion's mane supplement just for, just for, just for disclosure. And so, so exercise is great for the brain. Sleep, sleep is essential. You need to sleep to wire up new memories and so if you're not sleeping well, people should. People can get a sleep study for as little as 200 bucks or they can go to their doctor and get one. It might be covered by, by insurance but sleeping well is so, so important. I have an, I have an aura ring.
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Yeah.
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I, I found, I don't have a relationship with them but I found my O ring to be helpful and help me track sleep. I have a sleep eight mattress. I don't have a relationship with them
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but that, I have that one too.
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Did you like that?
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It's very useful.
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Yeah.
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See the hrv, you can see the amount of deep sleep. REM sleep.
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Yeah.
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Yeah. And then the mattress is designed to keep us asleep. Right. So it's designed to modulate the temperature so we stay asleep, which is a really big deal. Um, so exercise, sleep, and, and then our diet, avoiding the ultra processed foods is so important. New research is coming out, just came out recently and NPR actually reported on it, showing how poor quality food is related to a host of different chronic diseases. Alzheimer's, obesity, diabetes, cancer, heart disease, you name it. Basically every chronic disease is increased by eating poor quality food. So you want to eat organic fruits and vegetables and a healthy 4 protein you can eat, you can eat plant protein or you can eat healthy animal protein like wild caught salmon, grass fed beef, sardines and so forth. So that's really important. So exercise, sleep, diet, you want to reduce your stress. And that can be, you know, prayer, prayer, meditation, some sort of spiritual practice, time in nature. Reduce your stress, have meaning in your life. That's really important. Yeah. So if people are retired, if you retire from something, retire into something. If you retire and you have a retirement account, that's great. Go travel, go learn, go, go volunteer to school, volunteer at a nursing home, volunteer taking care of kids, do something. Because we as human beings are not meant to be sedentary and sit and watch tv. That's not what our ancestors did. Get involved in your community. Do something you're passionate about if you've retired. Because that keeps us active and involved. It gives us a reason for living. And so we want to make sure that we have that. And then there's a lot of supplements that can be helpful as well that, that are important for the brain.
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Fish oil, right?
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Fish oil is really great. That's the one I was Thinking of first, our brain outside of water is made primarily of fat. And so we need to consume a lot of healthy fat to help repair and maintain the brain. So fish oil is high in omega 3 fatty acids, specific DHA. So DHA really good for the brain? I do about three. A good dose is a thousand milligrams a day of DHA. That's a good starting dose for most healthy adults. Start slowly but get up to there and then you can move up to about 3,000 a day. I'm at 3,000 a day, so I take a lot of fish oil. I just want to give my brain every opportunity to be healthy. Creatine. New research out of out of Kansas Medical School. They gave creatine to 20 adults who had Alzheimer's disease. And what they found in the study was, I think it was after eight weeks, creatine, 20 grams of creatine a day improved memory in patients with Alzheimer's disease. So. So creatine improves memory in patients with Alzheimer's disease. That's amazing. That should be front page news on every newspaper until everyone's on creatine. Because creatine's safe, it is very inexpensive, very few side effects, and it helps improve memory in people with dementia. Like this should every single doctor. It's super cheap. Every single doctor should be offering this to their patients, but, you know, they're not educated about it and big pharma is not pushing it. And they're probably actually trying to actively hide that research because it, you know, it works. And their Alzheimer's drugs are actually quite dangerous. So creatine, a fish oil, B complex vitamin, A methylate, B complex vitamin. Research from Dr. David Smith at Oxford found that those who took a fish oil supplement and a B complex vitamin reduced the risk of Alzheimer's by about 30%. So that's really good. Magnesium we talked about. Really important. And, and Lion's mane I really like because that increases growth factors in the brain, it improves sleep, which is really great. Improves memory, reduces stress and anxiety. And so Lion's Mane is a safe, effective supplement. That's a medicinal mushroom that's really good for the brain and overall body as well. So those are some inexpensive starter supplements. People can. People can't get going.
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Link your work below your supplements.
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Thank you.
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Thanks for coming on, man. That was awesome.
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Sean, this is great. Thank you so much for having me.
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Yeah, great to meet you, man. Have a good one. Thanks guys. I hope you guys are enjoying the show. Please don't forget to like and subscribe. It helps the show a lot with the algorithm. Thank you.